July 6, 2025 • 51 mins
Enjoy this personal account of overseas missionary work from Lucas. Powerful testimony of God's work across the pond. For more info, or if you'd like to support Lucas and his ministry work, you may contact him at the following email address. Yoriyaz10@gmail.com
Exciting news!!! You can now join Henry, live via Zoom, every Sunday morning at 1030am EST, by clicking the link below, or by using the ID and passcode provided below. https://us06web.zoom.us/j/82108038420?pwd=twW0ChMfqMskiPizTEFEbOPFq8zORT.1 Meeting ID: 821 0803 8420 Passcode: 439385 After the message, feel free to stay in the Zoom room and attend the "Empowerment Session".
Empowerment sessions are not a church service—but are a service to the church. Our automobiles, homes, electronics and various other tools in our lives need maintenance, upgrades and repairs. Are we as a person any different? Empowerment Sessions are where believers get the opportunity to make the necessary corrections, adjustments and spiritual enhancements needed to be better equipped to live more powerful lives for Christ. Acts 1:8
Empowerment sessions offer the opportunity for one-on-one coaching, discipleship and self-improvement, in a confidential but very transparent group setting. Those who attend experience powerful personal sharing of life experiences and struggles which allows for all to defeat the lie of the enemy that says “you’re all alone in this”. You are not alone. You are just a few clicks away from your empowerment. You need to join us soon. When you begin to operate with power in EVERY area of your life, then you have achieved Powerful Living. Join your host, Henry Flowers, as we discover principles that produce the "rich and satisfying life" that Jesus said that He wants for us.
Let's also make strides in the area of teen pregnancy prevention. My book will help your teens avoid the dangers of excessive unsupervised idle time, which is the major cause of trouble for too many of our teens; and it will help them to move from where they are to living the life that they love. Get it here. http://amzn.com/1503271021 To hear my musical tribute to a father's dedication to his family, get my album "I Am With You", at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/henryflowers
Exciting news!!! You can now join Henry, live via Zoom, every Sunday morning at 1030am EST, by clicking the link below, or by using the ID and passcode provided below. https://us06web.zoom.us/j/82108038420?pwd=twW0ChMfqMskiPizTEFEbOPFq8zORT.1 Meeting ID: 821 0803 8420 Passcode: 439385 After the message, feel free to stay in the Zoom room and attend the "Empowerment Session".
Empowerment sessions are not a church service—but are a service to the church. Our automobiles, homes, electronics and various other tools in our lives need maintenance, upgrades and repairs. Are we as a person any different? Empowerment Sessions are where believers get the opportunity to make the necessary corrections, adjustments and spiritual enhancements needed to be better equipped to live more powerful lives for Christ. Acts 1:8
Empowerment sessions offer the opportunity for one-on-one coaching, discipleship and self-improvement, in a confidential but very transparent group setting. Those who attend experience powerful personal sharing of life experiences and struggles which allows for all to defeat the lie of the enemy that says “you’re all alone in this”. You are not alone. You are just a few clicks away from your empowerment. You need to join us soon. When you begin to operate with power in EVERY area of your life, then you have achieved Powerful Living. Join your host, Henry Flowers, as we discover principles that produce the "rich and satisfying life" that Jesus said that He wants for us.
Let's also make strides in the area of teen pregnancy prevention. My book will help your teens avoid the dangers of excessive unsupervised idle time, which is the major cause of trouble for too many of our teens; and it will help them to move from where they are to living the life that they love. Get it here. http://amzn.com/1503271021 To hear my musical tribute to a father's dedication to his family, get my album "I Am With You", at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/henryflowers
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tettle Friends, Henry Flowers here, Powerful Living Outreach Ministries. I
got a special guest for you today that I'm gonna
be interviewing. It's gonna be powerful.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is an opportunity for us as believers to.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Get to know more about this young man and about
his life in this country and another country, and how
that wraps up into powerful living for him. So, without
further ado, I'm gonna introduce Lucas. What's up, my brother? Hello, man,
(00:33):
thank you for having me here, man, thank you for
giving me your time.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Tell me where you're from Originally.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm from Brazil, from some Paul. I recently moved to US.
I think it's it will be.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Four months now, four months that you've been in the US. Yes,
four months. Welcome, Thanks so much. Welcome. So what brought
you here? So before I do that, tell me because
so I'm from Detroit, Yeah right, I'm not very well
(01:11):
educated as far as geography. Give me an example for
those who like myself. I mean I'd be good at geoghree.
Tell me about Brazil where it is clonimate that kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Brazilians located in South America, so it's closed to Argentina. Uruguay, Schili,
those countries. So that's where we at. And we are
the only Latino country that doesn't speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
We speak Portuguese, so it's a Latino country, yes, doesn't
speak Spanish.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, it's interesting because a lot of Americans they don't
consider Brazilians Latinos because we don't speak Spanish. But yeah,
but we are in South America. We are in Latin Americas.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So you just taught me another something new. Yeah, so
a Brazilian is considered a Latina.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's a very huge topic. People would I would say yes,
but a lot of people would say no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
What brought you here to America? For what brought you here?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So my family lives in US, the side of my wife,
she lives here, and we wanted to spend time with
family before we go over season missions. But it was
a long journey. It was a journey that it was
(02:33):
very uncertain. I never thought that we would be able
to come to US because Brazil and US we don't
have a very good relationship regarding immigrants. We need visa
and usually it's very hard to get a visa, and
it took four years to come to US, and it
(02:54):
those four years for my family and I it was
very uncertain. But once we got the green card and
we were accepted in our process. Yes, that's one way. Okay,
US is in the game.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
How hard was it for you to get your visa?
Give me some details.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Very hard for you to have an idea. Countries like Brazil,
we go through lotteries. Yes, US, they have a lottery
program in a lot of countries. So a lot of
people will try to apply for a green card and annually,
I don't know how many times per year they will
(03:36):
throw names and they will be and they can come
to US and get a green card. But that was
not my case. My case, I got a green card
because I was married to American. But it was but
that only is not an easy process because we don't
(03:57):
have enough income, We don't have a profile that makes
me as a Brazilian welcome to US.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So as a as a Brazilian, you say you got
married to an American. Yes, yes, wouldn't that automatically give
you a foot up a foot in something because you're
married to an American?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It is, but we our for example, in Brazil, we
have we used to have an income of one thousand
two hundred dollars per month, and that's very good living
in Brazil.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Really, yes, So when we twelve hundred dollars a month
in Brazil is good living, good.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Good, good living, it's middle class, middle class.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Twelve hundred dollars a month is middle class in Brazil.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Twelve hundred twelve hundred to twelve hundred ye hundred dollars.
So so imagine that that was a good living for us.
But to come here in US, we cannot live with
that money, right and whenever.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I probably need more than that for a week, yeah,
you see, in the US.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So in order for me to be able to be
in the US, I needed a sponsor. I needed someone
that could give us to say to the government, Okay,
they don't have money, but we will sponsor any needs
that they have. Without that sponsor, I cannot have a
green card, I cannot have a very good I will
(05:33):
not be able to say to the US government that
I have a good profile to immigrate to US because
I don't have the income, right. So yes, so this
is the first challenge. But fortunately my father in law
he was more than happy to sponsor our family. So
in order to get a green card and be accepted
(05:55):
as an immigrant. We need to be able to fit
in a certain profile. The good m is that queen,
and that took around four years.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Four years. Okay, I'm going to go here, and I
want you to be completely honest, perfect, because there's a
lot of angst. There's a lot of anger anxiety in
this country about about immigration, people who come here illegally,
(06:27):
jumping the line because people who are you know. And
then there's the whole christ concept where it says, hey, listen,
God says take care of the immigrants. We were all
immigrants at one time. The scripture says to look out
for the immigrants. And these kind of conflicts that come
into play. So someone like yourself, who it took you
four years to get your visa to be able to
(06:51):
come here to this country, how what thoughts do you
have about the conversations concerning illegal immigration in this country?
How does it make you feel to know that some
people just say, forget the rules which is coming and
we're not going to do it the right way so
(07:13):
to speak.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Okay. I always say, from the experience that I had
with refugees, especially a gun refugees in Brazil, those are
the people that I had more contact with and they
will come to US illegally, so they would Brazil was
the first, actually was the only country that was able
(07:37):
to host a gun people. We just opened our arms
for them. But Brazil is not a country that they
can establish and be settled easily. It's not an easy country.
So they prefer to immigrate to US and that process
(07:58):
is usually illegal. They hire coyotes from Mexico. Coyotes, coyotes,
coyotes from Mexico and they will, you know, the coyotes
will take them border to border until they reach the US.
Explain that term coyotes, So coyotes is like those maybe
(08:19):
they are relative with the cartels and they are the
ones that they are the ones that make a way
for for for to go to the country that they
are in me for they have their own ways to
(08:39):
get to US. Tunnels whatever, going to forests, whatever. They
took their routes, walk maybe months to go to the US.
But it can only done if you have a guide.
Their guide will call them coyotes.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Why didn't you take that route?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Why so US differently from the Afghan people, I don't
see US as the country that is the dream country.
A lot of people. They will come see us because
they will think that they will have a better life here,
(09:21):
and they will have better quality life quality, that they
are going to strive, They're going to be able to
help their families. This is how US is seen, even
from people from Brazil. When I see a lot of
people see America, they will see a line of opportunities.
Why because the currency is bigger. If you work as
(09:43):
a batista here for example, open up will I yearn
around maybe three thousand dollars per month. Three thousand dollars
per month in Brazil is a very high salary. It's
a huge amount of money. It's a huge amount of money.
(10:04):
And working as an arista and another job, I can
send money to my family for example. Right, So America
is a place that you can have jobs that are
not so high, but you can get very good pay
compared to the countries that we were. But why I
decided to come here legally? First, I feel that this
(10:28):
is the way that I was married to an American woman,
so I was wanted to use that as a perk
to coming to us. Second, I feel that if I
cannot go to you, wes legally okay, on personally, I
(10:50):
feel that God is not wanting me to go there,
So I feel that if I'm able to go, I
would I would try to go go in all legal terms,
but it's more a personal opinion because it talks about
my own characters, about how I do the decision makings.
And if I had to go come here illegally, I
(11:13):
can have a bad something. If I take, for example,
the route, I can risk my life. People die in
those places to go to cross the Panama for forest.
It's dangerous. Those routes is also drug routes where the
international drug traffic happens, so a lot of bad things
(11:35):
can happen, you know. So I prefer doing the right
thing just because I feel that I already have a perk.
But I only do that because my wife was a
high American citizenship and I was able to get a
green card, and why not to just do everything right.
And also my family, my wife's family, they are all
(11:58):
they're very they were were in the military, they have
a very good reputation concerning I don't know legal stuff,
you know. So yeah, to come here illegally, it will
be very hard for the family to accept me as well.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's really good. She wanted to have a good testimony. Yes,
that's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, Because first, because I don't think that America is
the dream place. My life doesn't get better if I
move to another country. I don't believe in that. I
don't think that America can well be that place.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You know, But this is the greatest country on earth.
Everybody wants to come here, That's what they say.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It is what they say. Well, you pay a price
for that right. You pay a price if you want
to live by that word. If you want to come
here illegally, you have to pay the price of understanding
that you're pursuing that dream. No matter what you know,
you have to pay the price. I could live very
well in my country in Brazil. I was very happy
(13:15):
if I could. The only place that I would dream
about is the place that got put in my heart,
which is somewhere in Middle East.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So why did you come to the US first?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Because I wanted to be accountable to my supporters, my
church supporters. So I feel that they didn't know me.
They don't know me, They only knew me by zoom.
And I felt that it would like if I had
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a chance to come here and do life with them
and be accountable and appreciate all the support that they
gave me while I was in Brazil, I would come.
So I felt that coming here to you as was
definitely a chance that I could be accountable to my
(14:11):
American friends and supporters and church and also the family,
my family, why, my wife's family that really wanted to
know me, and they didn't have a chance because they
didn't travel to Brazil.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So tell me about what your supporters are supporting how
how are they supporting you? What do you do?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So they so when I we were in Brazil, were
as missionaries.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You and you were missionaries in Brazil.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
For four years, four years and they were taking a place.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You were missionaries and.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Some Poulo downtown St. Paul in a place called Crackland.
So one of the biggest drug scenes in the world,
the biggest is.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Actually the place is called crack.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it's a place where a lot of people they
buy crack.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Crack as in the drug. That's the name of the place. Yes,
not officially, but.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, yes. But if you put in the internet Crackland,
they will show Brazil.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They will show that place really.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
And that's where me and why wife me used to
work as missionaries, working a lot with drug addicts and
stuff like that, and the American Church they were supporting
us financially and so they were very good partners. Yeah,
with prayers. Also we felt very low by them.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, give me some details about Crackland.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So Crackland is a place that is basically a drug scene.
You will see a lot of shacks, maybe a thousand people.
You're smoking crack in the streets. This is basically how
Krackland looks like. And most of them they are in
vulnerable situation. They they're homeless. Some of them they are
(16:03):
pretty rich, but they're pre addicted to crack. And while
our work was to give them a place that they
could enjoy a service, a small quiet time. We would
preach for fifteen minutes and we will give them snacks
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and then we will be we will build life with them.
And once that and one of the guys people, a
guy wanted to join a rehab house, we will have
a rehab house for him to recover and all that.
But this is something that is probably pretty rare to happen.
(16:49):
Most of the people they don't want they didn't want
it to go to rehab and stuff. Like that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So most of the people in crack Land are happy
to be there. They're happy to be happy to be
strung out on drugs and you're going there to share
the gospel.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, well, trying the gospel there is a little bit
different because Brazil is a Christian country, right, So most
of the crack users, they were Christians, some of them
were pastors worship leaders, but they just went to a
huge frustration in life, maybe a divorce, maybe someone dear
(17:27):
from them, died someone sometimes someone they were betrayed, they
lost their jobs, and crack was their medication for their
per pain, you know, and addictions like that. Most of
at least for most people in Crackland. When we say
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not to drugs, sometimes in their perspective, they're saying, you're
taking the only thing that gives me joy, you know. Really, yeah,
Because if you're a Christian and you leave a gospel
that people say that you will have a good father,
you're going to have a very good fellowship. But inside
(18:10):
the churches you don't leave the reality in full. There's
a huge frustration in there, right, there's a huge frustration
in that. And sometimes Drek can feel that because it's
pragmatic is something that is tangible. The joy is tangible, right,
But joy in fellowship in church sometimes can be hard
(18:33):
because a lot of times can be hypo critical. Right.
So a guy in Kraickland once we were preaching the
gospel saying that God was a good father. Right, But
he said, okay, you say that, but you're not going
to stay here tomorrow or a day after tomorrow. What
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kind of father is that? What kind of person is
you that preach about a goddard? It is only present.
But when your your job is done, you go back
to your family, You go back to you, and I
will be staying here. So you see there is a
gap between speech and an idea of faith. People they
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don't understand and I and I think that they have.
They have. They're writing some way because if we are
not able to pay the price to be with them daily,
it's a disciple of them. Even in their failures, even
in their faults, they will never know the value of faithfulness,
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perseverance because there used to being an abandon all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So you're talking about you said mention, you said ministering
to them daily? Yes, So are you going to crack
Land for a certain time and then come home.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
So in my case, I would be in Krakland three
times a day and also in a rehab.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
House three times a day, three.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Times per week. And I will also be at the
rehab house.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yes, and how long during these days are you among
these people?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It will vary. Yeah, it varies for a lot of
for for a lot of reasons. First, sometimes there are riots.
Sometimes the atmosphere and the Krakland is dangerous. Sometimes I
cannot find a guy, sometimes a guide, a guy, the
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guy that I wanted to talk.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You can't find the guy.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I can't find the guy that I'm looking for. So
we have to take account a lot of those things.
If you are going to do minishes in Kraitlin, we
need to be very intentional, very purseful, and very resilient
because we need we need to have a goal, because
if you don't have a goal, it's very easy to
be overwhelmed. It's such a very overwhelming seem to live
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there after day.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, what's the worst thing you've seen in Crackland.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Crackland people that they used to rob people inside Crackland,
they would get killed because police they don't want to
have any attention. They want the drug dealers. They don't
want the police attention come to Crackland, try to investigate.
So if you commit a crime and the civilians reported
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to the police, the police will come and they will
be very aggressive. There will there will be a lot
of tension. So in order to not have that, there
is a law in Crackland that you cannot to rob
inside the Crackland area. Someone there was I saw someone
(22:05):
that committed a robbery in Crackland and their drug dealers
called him and they killed him. Writing Crackland.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So so you're saying when you say there's a law,
you're talking about an unwritten laws saw street justice. So
the drug dealers took care of it themselves.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
This is very common in cracklind So just.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Let me take a pause for a second here because
I'm really, I guess in speaking to a powerful living
partners here, what I'm just becoming present to is this,
you know, this call that we have to to share
the gospel, and and and many times we we as
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as believers, we're afraid, we don't want to be rejected.
We may not know exactly what to say to somebody
to share the faith with them. But but here's Lucas
and and he's going into crackland in Brazil and likely
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you know, at least at the threat of your own
personal safety, You're there to share the gospel. And this
is this just maybe gives me a perspective, you know,
just comparing it to how we have it here in
the United States, and just how much of a reluctance
we have to share the gospel with people. And then
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here's Lucas, he's going in he's in Brazil, in crackland
and sharing the gospel. But you're saying that you're also
but you're you're bringing food and ministering to people. Tell
me about that.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Food does a mean for something greater? Right? When Jesus
was breaking bread with the disciples and he would present
the Lord's Supper, that reality of bread and wine, it
was pointing to something bigger. Right, So food is just
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an excuse to build relationship. So that's how our ministry
used to work those that wanted to spend time hanging
with us. Let's just chill, let's just talk. Let's just
build life together in a very simple way without building expectations,
saying that we are going to give food every time
(24:35):
that you want and it's not about that today, it's
the food that we have. If you want to just
sit on the table and just talk about life, about
building a relationship of friendship and if you want we
can live this life intentionally, we can build something. Relationships.
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I feel that they are the ones that we will
lead you to the next steps. Giving food now the
relationship really gets you to a deeper layer of relationship beyond.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Using food and breaking bread together to build relationships. Yes,
what a concept? What a concept?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You need to be like that? Right, you need to
be like that?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
What are some of the challenges.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I feel that the biggest challenge is to give them
the truth that they are not what they think they are.
They are in prison by this idea that okay, I
think I will try to explain this way. Sol fright.
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He had a concept about secondary gain and what is that.
Whenever a kid wants something, he will cry. So he
preferred to see himself as a crying baby because every
time that he cries, he can get some food or
whatever he wants. And that applies to for example, a
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homeless person. Sometimes it is easy to be a homeless
person because you can get gains with that. You can
get food, you can get attention, you can get money,
but it's very hard to be your real self because
though your real self, you don't earn nothing being yourself,
so you prefer to get be someone else to get
(26:37):
the benefit of that identity without being your true self. Right,
And the biggest challenge is to say the God see
your real self and that matters more that your idea
of trying to become someone that you're not, only because
you're going to profit with that. And that was hard
(27:00):
because a lot of people they would say, Lucas, I'm
a drunk, I'm a drug addict, and that's my identity.
And most other times we have to say, no, this
is not your identity. You know why because every time
that you use drug, you come here because here you
see that you can be yourself. You come here because
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you know that deep down you know that you're loved.
Sometimes our vices is so ingraining our body that we
think that the vice is define us because it's not
the reality that God see us.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Right, that is an amazing distinction there. I'm just reminded
of I love the Lion King, the movie Lion King,
and he says he has this vision. Simba has this
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vision with his father, and his father speaks to him
in the vision, it says, you are more than what
you have become. Yeah, and I love that. That's what
you're describing there, and that are you saying that people
go to crack Land just to get high and then
they go back and return to their normal life.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Sometimes they do that, sometimes they do Sometimes there are
some people that can do that, but most of the
people they stay in.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Cracking, they stay there, Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
There are people that can go back to their families. Says.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So you've been in the United States for four months,
you say, do you plan to go back to Brazil?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yes, maybe only to visit, but I'm not sure if
I would go back to live in Brazil again. Only
I felt that God had had a purpose on that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yes, Yeah, really good because sometimes you know, there are
seasons for the things that God has called you to,
and it's really important for us to be connected to
God so that we know when the season is up.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, my season now, I feel that is all about
being with my family, my wife's family, and also with
my to live life with my church. This is the
season that I feel that is right now. But I
feel that it won't. It will take maybe one year
(29:37):
and a half, maybe two years that the mova again gotcha.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
How long have you been married?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Four years?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
When did you and your wife know that you were
called to the mission field? When did you know for sure?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
My wife was she wants a mission? After high school?
She joined? Why so she knew?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
She went right after high school?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
She went to that was so she knew she knew.
Well myself, I think I after I graduated from from
from university. Uh, there was a conflict that I had
to deal with and overcome, which was trying to decide
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my life. I wanted success or if I wanted to
pursue meaning right, and sometimes those things can overlap. We
think that success is meaningful and but not necessarily. But
I had an opportunity because my friend asked me if
I wanted to go to South Africa. And that time
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I was applying for my master's degree and I was
going to get a scholarship and all. But I decided
to pursue me. But it was very incredible because God
provided everything for me to be able to go to
South Africa and all my finance finances paid and it
happened in a very supernatural way that I felt that
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I could that that was my calling. So in Brazil.
So that trip was costing around three thousand dollars for
a reis in Brazil. That's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's a lot of money in Brazils. And how long
was this trip supposed?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Before it was I was going to be in a
mission trop because I was going to be working with
arphing kids. But one day my friend had a dream
about an American guy we don't know, just giving money
for us, and he shared that with me and said,
oh my goodness, I wish that could be true. Next week,
an American guy from New York. I don't know his name,
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I don't know who he is. He know what he
knew about our story, and he gave us three thousand
dollars and he wrote an email saying I was an
art and I know the minisus that you are going
to here three thousand dollars, all the flight teachers, everything
paid in full.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And you don't know how the guy found out about you?
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, I don't know, but I knew that that was
a That was a huge confirmation in my life that
God was asking me to inviting me to be part
of his great story.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's amazing you. People have heard me say this many times.
This isn't another example of it God's thing, done, God's way. Yeah,
will never lack God's supply. Yeah, I'm a firm believer.
But I've seen it in my life many times where
God just made it happen.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, true, true. I think that this is that
what's very important for me because we didn't have the money,
We didn't have nothing. If God wants you to be
in a place, he would nake you grow to that
place in supernatural ways.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
So you told us about your wife. You went Where
did you go to college?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I went to a college in Brazil called a UNIVERSITYDYI
Presbyteria McKenzie Presbyterian University called Mackenzie.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And you got a master's degree.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I got a master's degree after.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, So you told us about your wife's calling. How
did you receive the calling for missions?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I remember that I was in a geography class, and
I remember the teacher talking about India, and India has
basically almost two billion people right now. Most of them
never heard about the gospel, never heard about the gospel,
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never heard Actually.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
It's hard to believe that in today's society. There's still
people who never heard the gospel.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah. And you know the crazy thing that I think,
this is the number I can be I can be mistaken.
But only forty thousand missionaries are working with unriched people groups.
Forty thousand of our missionaries. The population of missionaries that
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are working with rich people groups is only forty forty
ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Our most missionary force is working in crush in countries
that is already Christian.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So most of the missionaries are going to places where
people are already believers.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah yeah, and not going to places that I haven't reached.
So when I saw the reality, I thought, no, no, no, no, no,
high anyhea. That's I like. What I like about Nemaiah
is that God didn't spoke to him in his heart
to go build the walls. No, he went there. He said,
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oh the walls are Jerusalem are broken, and he starts weak.
I relate to that. Sometimes we don't need to have
like a special revelation. You see, the reality itself already
shows you what must be done. Right.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's amazing, Yeah, yeah, so is it? Why do you
think it is that in places like you said, like
you said Brazil, Why do you think it is that
missionaries don't go there. Is it is it is a
hostile to Christianity Brazil.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
No, I think a lot of people missionaries will go
to Brazil.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Or India like the gospel, you.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Know, because to become a missionary in those countries you
have to give your life. When I say that, you
have to learn a language, you need to endure culture shock.
You need to learning new language, you need to dress up,
you need to If you don't know their language, you're
not going to be able to preciate d. So people
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that really want to go and really want to give
their lives to learn a new learn a new language,
spend a lot of years learning that be able to
endure culture shock, miss unrich people groups. I'm not joking.
It's at least at least ten years. Ten years, it's
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ten years ago, maybe more. Wow, And you probably are
not going to see a lot of people being saved.
You're probably will see surf three nor more than more
than that. Maybe you're going to be very or maybe
you're not going to see nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So this is a whole These are like real obstacles
that people in these places. It's the culture, the apparel
I guess you can't just dress any kind of way
if you're gonna be able to reach out to people.
The language. How many languages do you speak?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Oh, speak only Portuguese and English.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So if if you somehow felt the calling to be
a missionary in India, you'd be starting from zero.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
You need to start from zero scratch like a baby.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah wow, So what's next for you? He said, you're
gonna spend time here?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You think to spend time here and if God allows,
in three years, I once ago start my life in
Middle East?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
In the Middle East, any place specific?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Iraq?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Why Iraq?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
So the countries that is in my heart, it's Iran.
But my wife, she's American and Iran and US, they
don't they hate each other? Right?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
All are Americans not welcome in now?
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah? Basically you guys are almost in commercial and political
war against Iran, So my wife cannot go to Iran.
But Iraq is border country with Iran and maybe a
lot of Iranian refugees in Iraq.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I see.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
So that's a good place to start, a starting place.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
So you'd be you'd be hoping to reach out to
the people of Iran, and really by proxy because the
ones running from the dangers of Iran would go to
Iraq and you'd be there waiting.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I love that. It's very clever. Yeah yeah, When do
you see that happening for you?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Maybe three years from now.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Maybe tell me about a time where someone did receive Christ.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Oh you mean in my own experience. I'll have to
go back to Crackland again. So I remember that I
was in Crackland. I was ministering to a lot of people,
and I remember in sysing, God, God, if you are
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to change this place, I need to talk with the
main drug dealers of this place. I need to talk
with authorities of this place, because if I talk with
only drug addicts sometimes it's hard because if a person
doesn't have an influence strategically speaking, they cannot do a lot.
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But if I talk with a huge drug dealer, and
if this guy becomes a Christian, he can make a
major impact. So that's when I started to pray. Pray
for a couple of years, maybe three years, and that
that was a day that this huge guy came to
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the rehab and he he was addicted to coke, but
he heard about my wife's testimony and he got moved
and after a year of discipleship, he decided to follow Jesus.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
One year.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yes, after one year, but it was very you know,
it's like this talking, just going to have meals together.
That guy, he is one of the sons of the
founders of the Brazilian cartel. He's the son of the lead,
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one of the founders of the Brazilian cartel.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
And he said yes to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
And he says yes to Jesus. I cannot give his
name because for safety reasons then all, but he used
to be a bounty hunter. He killed a lot of
people that used to own money for the cartel.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So he has body counts. His brother got body counts.
The brother that they minister him to sharing the Gospel
with him and he got body counts. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yes, and he accepted Jesus and he became one of
the most nice, sweet person that I ever encountered. And
that that story shocked me. Shocked me because I remember
that when he first told his own story, I didn't understand.
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But the day that he was fully recovered and he said, hey, Lucas,
I'm going back to my family and he shared again
Historia was like, I was amazed. I was amazed.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
So you saw a real change in this guy's life.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, But I would say that I didn't see many changes,
but I didn't accounting about people. Maybe I saw maybe
ten or thirteen to ten people really following Jesus from Krakland.
(42:38):
But I worked I used to work in Krackland for
ten years.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Ten years you were there.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, but thirteen and ten people? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah. Let me be real clear about this part, because
you're bringing up something that's very important. As believers in
Jesus Christ, we have been saved to save. Yeah, We've
been set free, to set free. Yeah, right, We've been
healed to heal. Many people who say that they are
believers in Jesus Christ have shared the Gospel with no one,
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and especially they have nobody who they personally discipled and
is in the Body of Christ because of their work
in their lives. Most Christians go through their lives without
discipling anyone. So for you to say that you have
you know, five or ten, I just want you to
know just from you know, just thirty years of ministry
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experience right here. I'm just telling you that's huge.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, yeah, which is said right, that's sad, man.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
It can be sad if you, you know, if you're
somebody who desires to win souls to be a part
of the harvest. But what you're speaking to though, is
that you know, there are a lot of people who
are Christians and just name only nor Christ is just savior.
They want to go to heaven, but the lordship of
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Christ has not taken over their lives to the point
where they're winning to risk their life to go and
share the gospel. Bro. You know, most people are not
doing it. Most people aren't doing it.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel that the main problem about
from my experience is people that are reading too disciple.
You know, it's build real discipleship to do that intentionally.
And I mean people they don't need to go to Krackland,
you know, but if they can be a very good
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friend at work and just you know, use their friendship
to glorify Christ. I'll say, do that, man, Just use that.
Because I cannot do what you're doing. Maybe I cannot
be an engineer, and you know, only you can be
in the place that you are right now, right and
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connecting with the people that your life happened to enabled
you to connect just use that to glorify Jesus now right.
You don't need to be crazy, You just need to
be intentional.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And it could take ten years of intentionality, yes.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
But it would be good, you know, because of course
you will be still preaching the Gospel and you're still
impact lives. I remember that one of my greatest challenges
was right there was there also because I was doing missions.
But I had a lot of non Christian friends, and
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I was thinking, one day, Oh my goodness, God, my
friends will go home, go to Hell. But one day
I started to be very intentional on inviting people over
or going to their house, and if I could, it
made sense to me, I would just pray with them. Hey, man,
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I would just pray for you. And one of the
biggest evangelistic moments of my life was when we presented
our daughter to our church, when we announced that we
were pregnant. That's when we celebrate intentionally speaking about Jesus.
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And that's when my friends first realize that Christianity, Christianity
can be beautiful. And that when my best friend through
the story of our lives, our journey, he decided to
follow Jesus as well.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yes, yes, I love that yeah, I love that. See
this is and this is a is a beautiful thing.
When we talk about evangelism being intentional and living your.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Life for Christ, it's not only.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Grabbing somebody a stranger that you see on the side
of the street and say, hey, if you died today,
where would you spend your own eternity? Don't you know
you need to see Jesus. Hell is coming, Jesus is
on the way. Listen. That is a way. I know
people who do that. I've done that.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I've been on the street corner preaching on.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
The streets, you know. I've been doing the outreach and
the hell fire and brimstone preaching. But what I'm telling
you where I have seen people come to Christ more.
I'll just set the church experience aside, because people invite
people to church to hear the message. They come to
Christ and you pray with them, and I'll set that aside.
(47:40):
But I'm personal evangelism. It's what we're speaking about here
with Lucas Man. The personal evangelism that I have experienced
is when I grabbed a hold of people and there
was a long engagement over the course of maybe it
was months, maybe it was a week, maybe it.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Was years breaking bread, fellowship.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Together, being willing to be a part of their lives,
showing the beauty of being a Christian answering someone's why,
because someone's gonna say, why do I need Jesus? Why
do I need to be religious? Why didn't you even
believe in God? And your life? Is what you're saying, Lucas,
is that you exemplified it till someone came to Christ
as a result.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
That's powerful living Brothers. I believe in that, and this
is universal. If you do that anywhere in the world,
you're doing your job. Yeah, if you're doing that anywhere
in the world, doing your job, I believe that.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
That's great. So you've definitely been a part of harvest
Field in Brazil. You're going to be here in the
United States for a couple of years. Your wife and
you have a daughter, yes as old as your daughter,
she's two years two year old daughter and your wife
and you're gonna be here in the United States for
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a few more years. And you see Iraq next on
your radar. So for my listeners, all of the powerful
living partners that may hear your testimony, I want you
to look into your camera and talk to them and
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let them know how they could possibly reach out to
you and and and possibly help you on your missions.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Okay, So if you want to reach me out, you
can talk with Henry, and Erry can introduce us, and
I would love to grab a coffee or just talk.
I think if you want to know me, I would
love to meet you as well. Or I think I
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believe in relationship, as you said right now, personal relationship,
So I love that I'm at if he wants to
singing person in Mason close to Mason, Ohio.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
So do you have an email address? Well?
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yes, oh why are I y a Z number ten
at to gmail dot com. That's my email address.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
And I will make sure to put that in the
description box because some of you may hear Lucas story
and you may want to give and support his next
mission trip because I'm sure he will need that going back,
not only with his wife next time, but yeah, his
two year old daughter as well. So those are gonna
be things, Those are gonna be opportunities where we get
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to sew into his life. And just understand, y'all, when
I sow into his life, I am taking part of
his ministry. That's the beautiful thing. About the Kingdom of
God is that it's not just about somebody who's willing
to go, but the blessing is also in the people
who are willing to finance him going. Come on, y'all,
you better get a part. Listen, get a hold of
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this blessing. It's more than one way. Okay, this is great, Lucas. Man,
you have really shared transparently and powerfully today. Man, and
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Thank you for having me. What was amazing to have
this conversation. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Good Well, you already know y'all Henry Flowers here powerful
living outreach.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Ministries from a man, Lucas, I ain't going nowhere. We're
coming back, yeah,
Tettle Friends, Henry Flowers here, Powerful Living Outreach Ministries. I
got a special guest for you today that I'm gonna
be interviewing. It's gonna be powerful.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is an opportunity for us as believers to.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Get to know more about this young man and about
his life in this country and another country, and how
that wraps up into powerful living for him. So, without
further ado, I'm gonna introduce Lucas. What's up, my brother? Hello, man,
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thank you for having me here, man, thank you for
giving me your time.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Tell me where you're from Originally.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm from Brazil, from some Paul. I recently moved to US.
I think it's it will be.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Four months now, four months that you've been in the US. Yes,
four months. Welcome, Thanks so much. Welcome. So what brought
you here? So before I do that, tell me because
so I'm from Detroit, Yeah right, I'm not very well
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educated as far as geography. Give me an example for
those who like myself. I mean I'd be good at geoghree.
Tell me about Brazil where it is clonimate that kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Brazilians located in South America, so it's closed to Argentina. Uruguay, Schili,
those countries. So that's where we at. And we are
the only Latino country that doesn't speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
We speak Portuguese, so it's a Latino country, yes, doesn't
speak Spanish.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, it's interesting because a lot of Americans they don't
consider Brazilians Latinos because we don't speak Spanish. But yeah,
but we are in South America. We are in Latin Americas.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So you just taught me another something new. Yeah, so
a Brazilian is considered a Latina.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's a very huge topic. People would I would say yes,
but a lot of people would say no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
What brought you here to America? For what brought you here?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So my family lives in US, the side of my wife,
she lives here, and we wanted to spend time with
family before we go over season missions. But it was
a long journey. It was a journey that it was
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very uncertain. I never thought that we would be able
to come to US because Brazil and US we don't
have a very good relationship regarding immigrants. We need visa
and usually it's very hard to get a visa, and
it took four years to come to US, and it
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those four years for my family and I it was
very uncertain. But once we got the green card and
we were accepted in our process. Yes, that's one way. Okay,
US is in the game.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
How hard was it for you to get your visa?
Give me some details.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Very hard for you to have an idea. Countries like Brazil,
we go through lotteries. Yes, US, they have a lottery
program in a lot of countries. So a lot of
people will try to apply for a green card and annually,
I don't know how many times per year they will
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throw names and they will be and they can come
to US and get a green card. But that was
not my case. My case, I got a green card
because I was married to American. But it was but
that only is not an easy process because we don't
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have enough income, We don't have a profile that makes
me as a Brazilian welcome to US.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So as a as a Brazilian, you say you got
married to an American. Yes, yes, wouldn't that automatically give
you a foot up a foot in something because you're
married to an American?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It is, but we our for example, in Brazil, we
have we used to have an income of one thousand
two hundred dollars per month, and that's very good living
in Brazil.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Really, yes, So when we twelve hundred dollars a month
in Brazil is good living, good.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Good, good living, it's middle class, middle class.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Twelve hundred dollars a month is middle class in Brazil.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Twelve hundred twelve hundred to twelve hundred ye hundred dollars.
So so imagine that that was a good living for us.
But to come here in US, we cannot live with
that money, right and whenever.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I probably need more than that for a week, yeah,
you see, in the US.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So in order for me to be able to be
in the US, I needed a sponsor. I needed someone
that could give us to say to the government, Okay,
they don't have money, but we will sponsor any needs
that they have. Without that sponsor, I cannot have a
green card, I cannot have a very good I will
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not be able to say to the US government that
I have a good profile to immigrate to US because
I don't have the income, right. So yes, so this
is the first challenge. But fortunately my father in law
he was more than happy to sponsor our family. So
in order to get a green card and be accepted
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as an immigrant. We need to be able to fit
in a certain profile. The good m is that queen,
and that took around four years.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Four years. Okay, I'm going to go here, and I
want you to be completely honest, perfect, because there's a
lot of angst. There's a lot of anger anxiety in
this country about about immigration, people who come here illegally,
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jumping the line because people who are you know. And
then there's the whole christ concept where it says, hey, listen,
God says take care of the immigrants. We were all
immigrants at one time. The scripture says to look out
for the immigrants. And these kind of conflicts that come
into play. So someone like yourself, who it took you
four years to get your visa to be able to
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come here to this country, how what thoughts do you
have about the conversations concerning illegal immigration in this country?
How does it make you feel to know that some
people just say, forget the rules which is coming and
we're not going to do it the right way so
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to speak.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Okay. I always say, from the experience that I had
with refugees, especially a gun refugees in Brazil, those are
the people that I had more contact with and they
will come to US illegally, so they would Brazil was
the first, actually was the only country that was able
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to host a gun people. We just opened our arms
for them. But Brazil is not a country that they
can establish and be settled easily. It's not an easy country.
So they prefer to immigrate to US and that process
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is usually illegal. They hire coyotes from Mexico. Coyotes, coyotes,
coyotes from Mexico and they will, you know, the coyotes
will take them border to border until they reach the US.
Explain that term coyotes, So coyotes is like those maybe
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they are relative with the cartels and they are the
ones that they are the ones that make a way
for for for to go to the country that they
are in me for they have their own ways to
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get to US. Tunnels whatever, going to forests, whatever. They
took their routes, walk maybe months to go to the US.
But it can only done if you have a guide.
Their guide will call them coyotes.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Why didn't you take that route?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Why so US differently from the Afghan people, I don't
see US as the country that is the dream country.
A lot of people. They will come see us because
they will think that they will have a better life here,
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and they will have better quality life quality, that they
are going to strive, They're going to be able to
help their families. This is how US is seen, even
from people from Brazil. When I see a lot of
people see America, they will see a line of opportunities.
Why because the currency is bigger. If you work as
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a batista here for example, open up will I yearn
around maybe three thousand dollars per month. Three thousand dollars
per month in Brazil is a very high salary. It's
a huge amount of money. It's a huge amount of money.
(10:04):
And working as an arista and another job, I can
send money to my family for example. Right, So America
is a place that you can have jobs that are
not so high, but you can get very good pay
compared to the countries that we were. But why I
decided to come here legally? First, I feel that this
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is the way that I was married to an American woman,
so I was wanted to use that as a perk
to coming to us. Second, I feel that if I
cannot go to you, wes legally okay, on personally, I
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feel that God is not wanting me to go there,
So I feel that if I'm able to go, I
would I would try to go go in all legal terms,
but it's more a personal opinion because it talks about
my own characters, about how I do the decision makings.
And if I had to go come here illegally, I
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can have a bad something. If I take, for example,
the route, I can risk my life. People die in
those places to go to cross the Panama for forest.
It's dangerous. Those routes is also drug routes where the
international drug traffic happens, so a lot of bad things
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can happen, you know. So I prefer doing the right
thing just because I feel that I already have a perk.
But I only do that because my wife was a
high American citizenship and I was able to get a
green card, and why not to just do everything right.
And also my family, my wife's family, they are all
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they're very they were were in the military, they have
a very good reputation concerning I don't know legal stuff,
you know. So yeah, to come here illegally, it will
be very hard for the family to accept me as well.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's really good. She wanted to have a good testimony. Yes,
that's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, Because first, because I don't think that America is
the dream place. My life doesn't get better if I
move to another country. I don't believe in that. I
don't think that America can well be that place.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You know, But this is the greatest country on earth.
Everybody wants to come here, That's what they say.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It is what they say. Well, you pay a price
for that right. You pay a price if you want
to live by that word. If you want to come
here illegally, you have to pay the price of understanding
that you're pursuing that dream. No matter what you know,
you have to pay the price. I could live very
well in my country in Brazil. I was very happy
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if I could. The only place that I would dream
about is the place that got put in my heart,
which is somewhere in Middle East.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So why did you come to the US first?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Because I wanted to be accountable to my supporters, my
church supporters. So I feel that they didn't know me.
They don't know me, They only knew me by zoom.
And I felt that it would like if I had
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a chance to come here and do life with them
and be accountable and appreciate all the support that they
gave me while I was in Brazil, I would come.
So I felt that coming here to you as was
definitely a chance that I could be accountable to my
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American friends and supporters and church and also the family,
my family, why, my wife's family that really wanted to
know me, and they didn't have a chance because they
didn't travel to Brazil.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So tell me about what your supporters are supporting how
how are they supporting you? What do you do?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So they so when I we were in Brazil, were
as missionaries.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You and you were missionaries in Brazil.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
For four years, four years and they were taking a place.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You were missionaries and.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Some Poulo downtown St. Paul in a place called Crackland.
So one of the biggest drug scenes in the world,
the biggest is.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Actually the place is called crack.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it's a place where a lot of people they
buy crack.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Crack as in the drug. That's the name of the place. Yes,
not officially, but.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, yes. But if you put in the internet Crackland,
they will show Brazil.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They will show that place really.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
And that's where me and why wife me used to
work as missionaries, working a lot with drug addicts and
stuff like that, and the American Church they were supporting
us financially and so they were very good partners. Yeah,
with prayers. Also we felt very low by them.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, give me some details about Crackland.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So Crackland is a place that is basically a drug scene.
You will see a lot of shacks, maybe a thousand people.
You're smoking crack in the streets. This is basically how
Krackland looks like. And most of them they are in
vulnerable situation. They they're homeless. Some of them they are
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pretty rich, but they're pre addicted to crack. And while
our work was to give them a place that they
could enjoy a service, a small quiet time. We would
preach for fifteen minutes and we will give them snacks
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and then we will be we will build life with them.
And once that and one of the guys people, a
guy wanted to join a rehab house, we will have
a rehab house for him to recover and all that.
But this is something that is probably pretty rare to happen.
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Most of the people they don't want they didn't want
it to go to rehab and stuff. Like that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So most of the people in crack Land are happy
to be there. They're happy to be happy to be
strung out on drugs and you're going there to share
the gospel.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, well, trying the gospel there is a little bit
different because Brazil is a Christian country, right, So most
of the crack users, they were Christians, some of them
were pastors worship leaders, but they just went to a
huge frustration in life, maybe a divorce, maybe someone dear
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from them, died someone sometimes someone they were betrayed, they
lost their jobs, and crack was their medication for their
per pain, you know, and addictions like that. Most of
at least for most people in Crackland. When we say
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not to drugs, sometimes in their perspective, they're saying, you're
taking the only thing that gives me joy, you know. Really, yeah,
Because if you're a Christian and you leave a gospel
that people say that you will have a good father,
you're going to have a very good fellowship. But inside
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the churches you don't leave the reality in full. There's
a huge frustration in there, right, there's a huge frustration
in that. And sometimes Drek can feel that because it's
pragmatic is something that is tangible. The joy is tangible, right,
But joy in fellowship in church sometimes can be hard
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because a lot of times can be hypo critical. Right.
So a guy in Kraickland once we were preaching the
gospel saying that God was a good father. Right, But
he said, okay, you say that, but you're not going
to stay here tomorrow or a day after tomorrow. What
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kind of father is that? What kind of person is
you that preach about a goddard? It is only present.
But when your your job is done, you go back
to your family, You go back to you, and I
will be staying here. So you see there is a
gap between speech and an idea of faith. People they
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don't understand and I and I think that they have.
They have. They're writing some way because if we are
not able to pay the price to be with them daily,
it's a disciple of them. Even in their failures, even
in their faults, they will never know the value of faithfulness,
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perseverance because there used to being an abandon all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So you're talking about you said mention, you said ministering
to them daily? Yes, So are you going to crack
Land for a certain time and then come home.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
So in my case, I would be in Krakland three
times a day and also in a rehab.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
House three times a day, three.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Times per week. And I will also be at the
rehab house.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yes, and how long during these days are you among
these people?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It will vary. Yeah, it varies for a lot of
for for a lot of reasons. First, sometimes there are riots.
Sometimes the atmosphere and the Krakland is dangerous. Sometimes I
cannot find a guy, sometimes a guide, a guy, the
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guy that I wanted to talk.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You can't find the guy.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I can't find the guy that I'm looking for. So
we have to take account a lot of those things.
If you are going to do minishes in Kraitlin, we
need to be very intentional, very purseful, and very resilient
because we need we need to have a goal, because
if you don't have a goal, it's very easy to
be overwhelmed. It's such a very overwhelming seem to live
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there after day.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, what's the worst thing you've seen in Crackland.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Crackland people that they used to rob people inside Crackland,
they would get killed because police they don't want to
have any attention. They want the drug dealers. They don't
want the police attention come to Crackland, try to investigate.
So if you commit a crime and the civilians reported
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to the police, the police will come and they will
be very aggressive. There will there will be a lot
of tension. So in order to not have that, there
is a law in Crackland that you cannot to rob
inside the Crackland area. Someone there was I saw someone
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that committed a robbery in Crackland and their drug dealers
called him and they killed him. Writing Crackland.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So so you're saying when you say there's a law,
you're talking about an unwritten laws saw street justice. So
the drug dealers took care of it themselves.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
This is very common in cracklind So just.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Let me take a pause for a second here because
I'm really, I guess in speaking to a powerful living
partners here, what I'm just becoming present to is this,
you know, this call that we have to to share
the gospel, and and and many times we we as
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as believers, we're afraid, we don't want to be rejected.
We may not know exactly what to say to somebody
to share the faith with them. But but here's Lucas
and and he's going into crackland in Brazil and likely
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you know, at least at the threat of your own
personal safety, You're there to share the gospel. And this
is this just maybe gives me a perspective, you know,
just comparing it to how we have it here in
the United States, and just how much of a reluctance
we have to share the gospel with people. And then
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here's Lucas, he's going in he's in Brazil, in crackland
and sharing the gospel. But you're saying that you're also
but you're you're bringing food and ministering to people. Tell
me about that.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Food does a mean for something greater? Right? When Jesus
was breaking bread with the disciples and he would present
the Lord's Supper, that reality of bread and wine, it
was pointing to something bigger. Right, So food is just
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an excuse to build relationship. So that's how our ministry
used to work those that wanted to spend time hanging
with us. Let's just chill, let's just talk. Let's just
build life together in a very simple way without building expectations,
saying that we are going to give food every time
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that you want and it's not about that today, it's
the food that we have. If you want to just
sit on the table and just talk about life, about
building a relationship of friendship and if you want we
can live this life intentionally, we can build something. Relationships.
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I feel that they are the ones that we will
lead you to the next steps. Giving food now the
relationship really gets you to a deeper layer of relationship beyond.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Using food and breaking bread together to build relationships. Yes,
what a concept? What a concept?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You need to be like that? Right, you need to
be like that?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
What are some of the challenges.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I feel that the biggest challenge is to give them
the truth that they are not what they think they are.
They are in prison by this idea that okay, I
think I will try to explain this way. Sol fright.
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He had a concept about secondary gain and what is that.
Whenever a kid wants something, he will cry. So he
preferred to see himself as a crying baby because every
time that he cries, he can get some food or
whatever he wants. And that applies to for example, a
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homeless person. Sometimes it is easy to be a homeless
person because you can get gains with that. You can
get food, you can get attention, you can get money,
but it's very hard to be your real self because
though your real self, you don't earn nothing being yourself,
so you prefer to get be someone else to get
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the benefit of that identity without being your true self. Right,
And the biggest challenge is to say the God see
your real self and that matters more that your idea
of trying to become someone that you're not, only because
you're going to profit with that. And that was hard
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because a lot of people they would say, Lucas, I'm
a drunk, I'm a drug addict, and that's my identity.
And most other times we have to say, no, this
is not your identity. You know why because every time
that you use drug, you come here because here you
see that you can be yourself. You come here because
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you know that deep down you know that you're loved.
Sometimes our vices is so ingraining our body that we
think that the vice is define us because it's not
the reality that God see us.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Right, that is an amazing distinction there. I'm just reminded
of I love the Lion King, the movie Lion King,
and he says he has this vision. Simba has this
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vision with his father, and his father speaks to him
in the vision, it says, you are more than what
you have become. Yeah, and I love that. That's what
you're describing there, and that are you saying that people
go to crack Land just to get high and then
they go back and return to their normal life.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Sometimes they do that, sometimes they do Sometimes there are
some people that can do that, but most of the
people they stay in.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Cracking, they stay there, Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
There are people that can go back to their families. Says.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So you've been in the United States for four months,
you say, do you plan to go back to Brazil?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yes, maybe only to visit, but I'm not sure if
I would go back to live in Brazil again. Only
I felt that God had had a purpose on that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yes, Yeah, really good because sometimes you know, there are
seasons for the things that God has called you to,
and it's really important for us to be connected to
God so that we know when the season is up.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, my season now, I feel that is all about
being with my family, my wife's family, and also with
my to live life with my church. This is the
season that I feel that is right now. But I
feel that it won't. It will take maybe one year
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and a half, maybe two years that the mova again gotcha.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
How long have you been married?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Four years?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
When did you and your wife know that you were
called to the mission field? When did you know for sure?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
My wife was she wants a mission? After high school?
She joined? Why so she knew?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
She went right after high school?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
She went to that was so she knew she knew.
Well myself, I think I after I graduated from from
from university. Uh, there was a conflict that I had
to deal with and overcome, which was trying to decide
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my life. I wanted success or if I wanted to
pursue meaning right, and sometimes those things can overlap. We
think that success is meaningful and but not necessarily. But
I had an opportunity because my friend asked me if
I wanted to go to South Africa. And that time
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I was applying for my master's degree and I was
going to get a scholarship and all. But I decided
to pursue me. But it was very incredible because God
provided everything for me to be able to go to
South Africa and all my finance finances paid and it
happened in a very supernatural way that I felt that
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I could that that was my calling. So in Brazil.
So that trip was costing around three thousand dollars for
a reis in Brazil. That's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's a lot of money in Brazils. And how long
was this trip supposed?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Before it was I was going to be in a
mission trop because I was going to be working with
arphing kids. But one day my friend had a dream
about an American guy we don't know, just giving money
for us, and he shared that with me and said,
oh my goodness, I wish that could be true. Next week,
an American guy from New York. I don't know his name,
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I don't know who he is. He know what he
knew about our story, and he gave us three thousand
dollars and he wrote an email saying I was an
art and I know the minisus that you are going
to here three thousand dollars, all the flight teachers, everything
paid in full.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And you don't know how the guy found out about you?
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, I don't know, but I knew that that was
a That was a huge confirmation in my life that
God was asking me to inviting me to be part
of his great story.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's amazing you. People have heard me say this many times.
This isn't another example of it God's thing, done, God's way. Yeah,
will never lack God's supply. Yeah, I'm a firm believer.
But I've seen it in my life many times where
God just made it happen.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, true, true. I think that this is that
what's very important for me because we didn't have the money,
We didn't have nothing. If God wants you to be
in a place, he would nake you grow to that
place in supernatural ways.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
So you told us about your wife. You went Where
did you go to college?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I went to a college in Brazil called a UNIVERSITYDYI
Presbyteria McKenzie Presbyterian University called Mackenzie.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And you got a master's degree.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I got a master's degree after.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, So you told us about your wife's calling. How
did you receive the calling for missions?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I remember that I was in a geography class, and
I remember the teacher talking about India, and India has
basically almost two billion people right now. Most of them
never heard about the gospel, never heard about the gospel,
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never heard Actually.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
It's hard to believe that in today's society. There's still
people who never heard the gospel.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah. And you know the crazy thing that I think,
this is the number I can be I can be mistaken.
But only forty thousand missionaries are working with unriched people groups.
Forty thousand of our missionaries. The population of missionaries that
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are working with rich people groups is only forty forty
ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Our most missionary force is working in crush in countries
that is already Christian.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So most of the missionaries are going to places where
people are already believers.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah yeah, and not going to places that I haven't reached.
So when I saw the reality, I thought, no, no, no, no, no,
high anyhea. That's I like. What I like about Nemaiah
is that God didn't spoke to him in his heart
to go build the walls. No, he went there. He said,
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oh the walls are Jerusalem are broken, and he starts weak.
I relate to that. Sometimes we don't need to have
like a special revelation. You see, the reality itself already
shows you what must be done. Right.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's amazing, Yeah, yeah, so is it? Why do you
think it is that in places like you said, like
you said Brazil, Why do you think it is that
missionaries don't go there. Is it is it is a
hostile to Christianity Brazil.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
No, I think a lot of people missionaries will go
to Brazil.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Or India like the gospel, you.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Know, because to become a missionary in those countries you
have to give your life. When I say that, you
have to learn a language, you need to endure culture shock.
You need to learning new language, you need to dress up,
you need to If you don't know their language, you're
not going to be able to preciate d. So people
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that really want to go and really want to give
their lives to learn a new learn a new language,
spend a lot of years learning that be able to
endure culture shock, miss unrich people groups. I'm not joking.
It's at least at least ten years. Ten years, it's
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ten years ago, maybe more. Wow, And you probably are
not going to see a lot of people being saved.
You're probably will see surf three nor more than more
than that. Maybe you're going to be very or maybe
you're not going to see nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So this is a whole These are like real obstacles
that people in these places. It's the culture, the apparel
I guess you can't just dress any kind of way
if you're gonna be able to reach out to people.
The language. How many languages do you speak?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Oh, speak only Portuguese and English.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So if if you somehow felt the calling to be
a missionary in India, you'd be starting from zero.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
You need to start from zero scratch like a baby.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah wow, So what's next for you? He said, you're
gonna spend time here?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You think to spend time here and if God allows,
in three years, I once ago start my life in
Middle East?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
In the Middle East, any place specific?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Iraq?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Why Iraq?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
So the countries that is in my heart, it's Iran.
But my wife, she's American and Iran and US, they
don't they hate each other? Right?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
All are Americans not welcome in now?
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah? Basically you guys are almost in commercial and political
war against Iran, So my wife cannot go to Iran.
But Iraq is border country with Iran and maybe a
lot of Iranian refugees in Iraq.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I see.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
So that's a good place to start, a starting place.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
So you'd be you'd be hoping to reach out to
the people of Iran, and really by proxy because the
ones running from the dangers of Iran would go to
Iraq and you'd be there waiting.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I love that. It's very clever. Yeah yeah, When do
you see that happening for you?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Maybe three years from now.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Maybe tell me about a time where someone did receive Christ.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Oh you mean in my own experience. I'll have to
go back to Crackland again. So I remember that I
was in Crackland. I was ministering to a lot of people,
and I remember in sysing, God, God, if you are
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to change this place, I need to talk with the
main drug dealers of this place. I need to talk
with authorities of this place, because if I talk with
only drug addicts sometimes it's hard because if a person
doesn't have an influence strategically speaking, they cannot do a lot.
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But if I talk with a huge drug dealer, and
if this guy becomes a Christian, he can make a
major impact. So that's when I started to pray. Pray
for a couple of years, maybe three years, and that
that was a day that this huge guy came to
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the rehab and he he was addicted to coke, but
he heard about my wife's testimony and he got moved
and after a year of discipleship, he decided to follow Jesus.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
One year.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yes, after one year, but it was very you know,
it's like this talking, just going to have meals together.
That guy, he is one of the sons of the
founders of the Brazilian cartel. He's the son of the lead,
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one of the founders of the Brazilian cartel.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
And he said yes to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
And he says yes to Jesus. I cannot give his
name because for safety reasons then all, but he used
to be a bounty hunter. He killed a lot of
people that used to own money for the cartel.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So he has body counts. His brother got body counts.
The brother that they minister him to sharing the Gospel
with him and he got body counts. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yes, and he accepted Jesus and he became one of
the most nice, sweet person that I ever encountered. And
that that story shocked me. Shocked me because I remember
that when he first told his own story, I didn't understand.
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But the day that he was fully recovered and he said, hey, Lucas,
I'm going back to my family and he shared again
Historia was like, I was amazed. I was amazed.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
So you saw a real change in this guy's life.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, But I would say that I didn't see many changes,
but I didn't accounting about people. Maybe I saw maybe
ten or thirteen to ten people really following Jesus from Krakland.
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But I worked I used to work in Krackland for
ten years.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Ten years you were there.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, but thirteen and ten people? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah. Let me be real clear about this part, because
you're bringing up something that's very important. As believers in
Jesus Christ, we have been saved to save. Yeah, We've
been set free, to set free. Yeah, right, We've been
healed to heal. Many people who say that they are
believers in Jesus Christ have shared the Gospel with no one,
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and especially they have nobody who they personally discipled and
is in the Body of Christ because of their work
in their lives. Most Christians go through their lives without
discipling anyone. So for you to say that you have
you know, five or ten, I just want you to
know just from you know, just thirty years of ministry
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experience right here. I'm just telling you that's huge.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, yeah, which is said right, that's sad, man.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
It can be sad if you, you know, if you're
somebody who desires to win souls to be a part
of the harvest. But what you're speaking to though, is
that you know, there are a lot of people who
are Christians and just name only nor Christ is just savior.
They want to go to heaven, but the lordship of
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Christ has not taken over their lives to the point
where they're winning to risk their life to go and
share the gospel. Bro. You know, most people are not
doing it. Most people aren't doing it.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel that the main problem about
from my experience is people that are reading too disciple.
You know, it's build real discipleship to do that intentionally.
And I mean people they don't need to go to Krackland,
you know, but if they can be a very good
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friend at work and just you know, use their friendship
to glorify Christ. I'll say, do that, man, Just use that.
Because I cannot do what you're doing. Maybe I cannot
be an engineer, and you know, only you can be
in the place that you are right now, right and
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connecting with the people that your life happened to enabled
you to connect just use that to glorify Jesus now right.
You don't need to be crazy, You just need to
be intentional.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And it could take ten years of intentionality, yes.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
But it would be good, you know, because of course
you will be still preaching the Gospel and you're still
impact lives. I remember that one of my greatest challenges
was right there was there also because I was doing missions.
But I had a lot of non Christian friends, and
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I was thinking, one day, Oh my goodness, God, my
friends will go home, go to Hell. But one day
I started to be very intentional on inviting people over
or going to their house, and if I could, it
made sense to me, I would just pray with them. Hey, man,
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I would just pray for you. And one of the
biggest evangelistic moments of my life was when we presented
our daughter to our church, when we announced that we
were pregnant. That's when we celebrate intentionally speaking about Jesus.
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And that's when my friends first realize that Christianity, Christianity
can be beautiful. And that when my best friend through
the story of our lives, our journey, he decided to
follow Jesus as well.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yes, yes, I love that yeah, I love that. See
this is and this is a is a beautiful thing.
When we talk about evangelism being intentional and living your.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Life for Christ, it's not only.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Grabbing somebody a stranger that you see on the side
of the street and say, hey, if you died today,
where would you spend your own eternity? Don't you know
you need to see Jesus. Hell is coming, Jesus is
on the way. Listen. That is a way. I know
people who do that. I've done that.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I've been on the street corner preaching on.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
The streets, you know. I've been doing the outreach and
the hell fire and brimstone preaching. But what I'm telling
you where I have seen people come to Christ more.
I'll just set the church experience aside, because people invite
people to church to hear the message. They come to
Christ and you pray with them, and I'll set that aside.
(47:40):
But I'm personal evangelism. It's what we're speaking about here
with Lucas Man. The personal evangelism that I have experienced
is when I grabbed a hold of people and there
was a long engagement over the course of maybe it
was months, maybe it was a week, maybe it.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Was years breaking bread, fellowship.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Together, being willing to be a part of their lives,
showing the beauty of being a Christian answering someone's why,
because someone's gonna say, why do I need Jesus? Why
do I need to be religious? Why didn't you even
believe in God? And your life? Is what you're saying, Lucas,
is that you exemplified it till someone came to Christ
as a result.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
That's powerful living Brothers. I believe in that, and this
is universal. If you do that anywhere in the world,
you're doing your job. Yeah, if you're doing that anywhere
in the world, doing your job, I believe that.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
That's great. So you've definitely been a part of harvest
Field in Brazil. You're going to be here in the
United States for a couple of years. Your wife and
you have a daughter, yes as old as your daughter,
she's two years two year old daughter and your wife
and you're gonna be here in the United States for
(48:55):
a few more years. And you see Iraq next on
your radar. So for my listeners, all of the powerful
living partners that may hear your testimony, I want you
to look into your camera and talk to them and
(49:16):
let them know how they could possibly reach out to
you and and and possibly help you on your missions.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Okay, So if you want to reach me out, you
can talk with Henry, and Erry can introduce us, and
I would love to grab a coffee or just talk.
I think if you want to know me, I would
love to meet you as well. Or I think I
(49:44):
believe in relationship, as you said right now, personal relationship,
So I love that I'm at if he wants to
singing person in Mason close to Mason, Ohio.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
So do you have an email address? Well?
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yes, oh why are I y a Z number ten
at to gmail dot com. That's my email address.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
And I will make sure to put that in the
description box because some of you may hear Lucas story
and you may want to give and support his next
mission trip because I'm sure he will need that going back,
not only with his wife next time, but yeah, his
two year old daughter as well. So those are gonna
be things, Those are gonna be opportunities where we get
(50:33):
to sew into his life. And just understand, y'all, when
I sow into his life, I am taking part of
his ministry. That's the beautiful thing. About the Kingdom of
God is that it's not just about somebody who's willing
to go, but the blessing is also in the people
who are willing to finance him going. Come on, y'all,
you better get a part. Listen, get a hold of
(50:54):
this blessing. It's more than one way. Okay, this is great, Lucas. Man,
you have really shared transparently and powerfully today. Man, and
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Thank you for having me. What was amazing to have
this conversation. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Good Well, you already know y'all Henry Flowers here powerful
living outreach.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Ministries from a man, Lucas, I ain't going nowhere. We're
coming back, yeah,
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