December 22, 2025 • 50 mins
Ep. 314 - Murder, Mayhem, and Merry Christmas
David and Brad unwrap some recent spectacular failures in this murder-y Christmas episode. First up, Providence's finest fumbled a campus shooting so badly that a homeless man living in the crime scene building had to solve it himself…all while police ignored him and politicians held press conferences featuring sign language interpreters more dramatic than the investigation.
Multiple murders, one escaped killer, and zero accountability later, the duo asks the real questions: How does OJ stay blood-free after a double homicide when other people are spattered with it? And why is Trump renaming the Kennedy Center?
From Brown University's Antifa-appeasing camera policies to the detective work of vagrants, this episode proves that this year’s greatest mystery isn't UFOs—it's how these people keep their jobs.
David and Brad unwrap some recent spectacular failures in this murder-y Christmas episode. First up, Providence's finest fumbled a campus shooting so badly that a homeless man living in the crime scene building had to solve it himself…all while police ignored him and politicians held press conferences featuring sign language interpreters more dramatic than the investigation.
Multiple murders, one escaped killer, and zero accountability later, the duo asks the real questions: How does OJ stay blood-free after a double homicide when other people are spattered with it? And why is Trump renaming the Kennedy Center?
From Brown University's Antifa-appeasing camera policies to the detective work of vagrants, this episode proves that this year’s greatest mystery isn't UFOs—it's how these people keep their jobs.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In these bleak days, humanity is at a breaking point.
Economies are tanking, the woke mob is canceling everything, and
the little guy who's just trying to run a small
business is getting screwed from both ends. But not all
is lost. Amidst the chaos, two men offer up their
(00:26):
voices in the darkness, dropping two thousand pounds laser guided
truth bombs on today's lunacy, introducing the Sirens of Sanity,
David Pridham and l Bradley Sheef.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Not got your beautiful right now? Man, Christmas, There it
is brad Elton, John at Ed Sheeran and listen. Nothing
nothing says Christmas more than a brit skipping around singing
that song Lovely Lovely? Is Sharon A Brett? I thought
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he was an irishman.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well they're both from the UK. Maybe I should, Maybe
I should broaden my skill.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Let me look at hold on, let me look at you.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Ten point two seconds. It's a record for you, like
with a condescending correction a record.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, that's not a record. I'm well under ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sometimes you go before the show, sometimes I do, Lord, yeah,
but I listened. I mean Elton Joe who doesn't love
Elton John.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I do like Elton John, and frankly, I don't know
if this is cool or not as a middle edged guy,
but I'm not cool anyway.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I like Ed Sharon, so he.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Sang our our wedding song was a mashup of Ed
Shearon thinking out loud and Tony Bennett the way you
look tonight. So it's very nice. But you know what
was interesting with Elton John. I remember in the eighties
when we first got MTV. Remember the song I'm still
standing sure. It was like my first intro to like
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Elton John. There was like a number one head the
better than I ever did, like like Truce. If I
feel like a little kid. He I would put on
MTV when I would go to my grandparents' house and
after school some days, and I and my grandmother wud
look at the TV and she'd say, you know, I
just don't understand, very similar to the Liberaci comments and
the Lawrence Wall comments, I just don't understand why he
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can't just find a nice woman and settle down.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, your grandmother came from a different time and era,
and her you know, the lens through which she viewed
life was not tainted as ours is today with having
to factor in a bunch of you know, various squirrely perspectives.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I guess, yeah, I mean just the the it's a
different time, I guess, I guess, a different different time.
But it's coming back around again. It's coming back around again,
So lots going on again. This is the annual Christmas
episode where we sort of reflect on the year and
we're not making their predictions. That's next week, the bold
(03:09):
Predictions into the future. That's next week. That's the New
Year's episode. This is the Christmas episode. It's going to
be dropping on Christmas Eve, so everyone can get around
the hearth, the hearth and listen to this on the
old cable radio if you got.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
One, certainly, which people like to do, especially on the holidays.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Gather as a family.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Put on a you know, old school Vmax sweater over
a button down shirt and a pair of corduroy pants.
Start a fire with a Yule log, make some hot cocoa. Yep,
keep your eye on old uncle Ernest over there is
going to be trying to, you know, pour some snops
into his Keep an eye on him.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Gather around the radio and you listen to Christmas tunes
and or a podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, no, absolutely, And some people wouldn't even put on
the shirt under the under the V neck. They just
get the little piece of cloth that purports to be
a shirt. Yeah, that just you know, goes down on
both sides like almost like a frock, a mini frock
that you put you were under the shirt, so it
looks like you've got the shirt, which clearly you don't.
But but yeah, so this is the big episode where
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we do that. But there's a lot going on in
the world, a lot to talk about, and and you
have a unique perspective on some of this stuff because
I'm up here. You know, we we in the in
the in the in the New England area have been
dealing with this Brown University shooting. There was a shooting
in Brown University where two people were tragically killed and
up to ten more were sent to the hospital in
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critical condition.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And that happened, and they the guy got away, and
then like three days later, this mi I T professor,
this thermonuclear physicist or whatever was murdered.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And the guy got away. I thought they I thought
they caught him like hours later in a hotel.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Or something, and they caught him yesterday. No, no, no, no,
they caught him. The guy they caught the hotel was
the wrong guy. It was somebody else. And so so
they they mean the thing, this is just like it's upsetting, right,
I mean, Brown costs like one hundred k year to
go to. First of all, they have like twelve hundred
cameras on campus, half of which, by the way, they
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turned off at the request of Antifa and all these
crazy frigging you go up there. Now, it's not when
I grew up, Brown was a great school. Right now,
it's just controlled by these radical it's all Palestine. It's
all about Palestine and anti Jewish and this crazy stuff.
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And so they have this shooting. Good one of the
people of the two that got shot several times and
killed was this woman who was the u who was
the president of the Brown Young Republicans, and they you know,
so there's the theories about whether she was targeted. It
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was in this big hall where you know, the president
of the university gets up there and one of these meandering,
stupid press conferences and says she doesn't know what the
what the students were doing in that hall who was
in the hall. There was no that the door locks
were disengaged, so you could just wander in and out.
But but so the shooting happens.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
They did, They really turned the cameras off at the
request of.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
They turned some cameras off on campus at the request
of antifon these pro Palestinian organizations.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That's not to be captured on film.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well correct, Then they're walking around to these freaking masks
and their heads wrapped. I don't know, But so the
shooting happens. There's a lockdown in the city of Providence, right,
we was last last Saturday lockdown. One of our good friends,
Sila's Moody was out that night, by the way, and
he was actually partaking in a nice bottle of wine
up at a place on College Hill where Brown is
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and I texted him about three hours in and I said,
you still out what's going on there? He completely had
no idea there was a lockdown. He looked out the window,
he saw the police cars everywhere and he said, oh, interesting.
But in any event, they locked down everything. Tell the
there are students who are during the middle of final zams.
They're terrified. They're like barricading doors and libraries with couches
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and tables and barricading themselves into their dorm rooms. And
so this lockdown goes on overnight, right, and they don't
catch the guy. They don't care. They catch they detained
the wrong guy. There are rumors that the guy said
a la akbar when he shot the shut up the
study hall or the room he shot up. But you know,
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the guy just gets away, just gets away. So they
catch the wrong guy. And as soon as they catch
they get well, they catch the wrong guys. Does they
catch the wrong guy? This the president who's paid like
four million a year to be the president, Brown by
the way, gets up there and she says, okay, well
they caught him. We're gonna lift the shelter in place,
and we're gonna let everyone go home. So she lets
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everyone go home, all the students go home, no more exams,
cancels all the exams and uh. And then within half
hour they realized it's the wrong guy. Everyone's gone. So
you have no one to question. I mean, there's just
a total cluster that they finally get pictures of the
guy because the cameras, not because of the cameras of
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the university, which by the way. There should be thousands, right, thousands,
but there aren't. But they local neighbors get the picture
pictures of this guy on these doors, their ring door
bell can and their ring cameras. Security care. So they
get it. Pictures of a guy in a mask walking
around before the shooting. He's walking over two hours before
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the shooting around the building. What kind of mask, like
a face, like a medical mask, but big black mask,
black hood. I mean, like you'd see his eyes, you
couldn't tell who it was. And then afterwards there's videos
of him sauntering right by police cars after the shooting,
sauntering the guy they said was the killer. And so
they have no idea that this guy, you know, did anything.
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They're not going to cooperate with the FBI came in,
but they're not asking for the FBI to take over
the investigation because of you know, ice and all that craziness.
And so these guys run it and this is tradition,
this is true Keystone cops. You get the mayor of
Providence up there, who is who and his husband he's
been mayor for like two terms. He's a sanctuary city,
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freaking lunatic. And then the governor's up there, who's like,
your sanctuary city, hold my beer, a sanctuary state. Then
you got the nitwit president of Brown. You got the
police chief, the police chief who doesn't he speaks Providence
of Providence, who speaks broken English, right, who's like yelling
at reporters because they're saying, hey, did he did someone?
Did he yell something when he shot up the room.
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And this guy's the police officer. The police chief is
screaming at them right in broken English. You can't understand
what he's saying. You got the And then after the
first press conference, they decided it's a good idea to
roll out the interpreter, you know, the person, the sign
language person. So you got this freaking sign language person
at the very front, like doing the sign language in
this very very dramatic way, like it's just it looks
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like something that would be a Saturday Night Live skit. Meanwhile,
they have no idea did this. The MIT professor gets murdered.
A couple of days later, they say there is no
connection whatsoever to the crime in Brown. At Brown, no
connection whatsoever. It's a different guy. Brown starts taking down
pictures of anti FU people from their website. In the
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middle of this, I have no idea why. And the
President gets up and says, it's not happening, but it
was happening. Then yesterday, a homeless person who lived in
the basement of the building where the shooting took place.
Let that sink in, but just let that sink in
comes forward and he says, actually, I confronted the guy
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and I saw him beforehand, and he was driving a
weird car with Florida plates, so he had all this
information on the thing. And he said, I told this
the police, and they didn't pay any attention to me
because I'm homeless and live in the basement of this place.
He comes forward, and it turns out not only did
he nail it that this is the guy that did it,
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a guy like graduated from Brown like twenty five years ago,
and or he intended Brown twenty five years ago, but
it also turned out this is the guy in the
car that was being looked at for the MIT murder.
And then they show up, decided they go for some reason.
They go to New Hampshire where this guy had recently
rented a storage facility and they find him dead. The shooter.
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The shooter, yeah, and case closes.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Now, who was he?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
He was some guy who went to Brown years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I mean, he's just like a like a middle aged
dude who lost it.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He was, He's like a he's like from Europe and
he was a here in a temporary visa and of
course overstayed for like twenty years. But I mean, it's
just the most bizarre. And then every night, like twice
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a day, they get up there with these press conferences.
They have no clue what they're doing, right, no clue
what they're doing. They've let the guy completely slip way.
Probably they're incompetence, and the fact that Brown didn't have
half these stupid cameras turned on led to the murder
of the guy from MIT.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
For sure, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And then you're telling me what this guy on a
lark decided to go into this particular building on this
particular campus where he hasn't been in twenty some odd years,
kills the head of the road the Brown publican young Republicans,
then drives to Mit and kills some thermonuclear physicist who
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was apparently like a nationally renowned top of his profession person,
and then just goes off to a storage facility and
kills himself.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, buddy, I here's why I find so upsetting about
all this.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right, So, the reason that guy was able to walk
around hood up mask on at a place like Brown
is because they have such a swarm of these Antifa
douchebags constantly walking around hood up mask on, and.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
That's acceptable to them. Right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So you've got the combination of you've let this group
dominate your culture and so now you've changed people's you know,
sort of this is k meter, right, And so that's
bad because now instead of hopefully many people going you know,
who's this dude, and at least alerting campus police or
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security or whatever they have there, if not calling Providence police.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Which it sounds like maybe a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Anyway to say, you know, I don't know, I mean,
maybe the guy, maybe there's a good reason for this,
but you know, the guy's dressed as though he intends
to do people harm.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Can someone just poke their nose.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Into this and figured out people just they I'm sure
many students just looked and looked away, I mean, not
not even consciously saying to themselves I'm no longer allowed
to comment on this, or I might be shouted down
in the street as a racist or a fascist or whatever,
which is another problem. I'm sure they just glanced and said, oh,
that's normal, like around here where I'm paying one hundred
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thousand dollars to be unsafe and get a you know,
a half assed education, because you know, the left has
dominated this, so I'm only going to get one side
of every story. It's fine for these you know, incredibly
violent mass and therefore anonymous human beings to walk around, right,
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So you got that, you got the cameras being turned
off because of that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And so you know, all of this is just bad.
And so that's bad.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And I find that upsetting and I find it disappointing
on any number of levels. But what is really bad
and disappointing is I can almost guarantee you that there
will be no accountability, No accountability for the President of Brown,
no accountability for the Mayor of Providence, the governor of
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Rhode Island, the chief of the Providence Police. Soll me
know the fact that all of these people are morons,
that their viewpoint has been horribly skewed by the political
lens through which they view the world, and that let
a killer get away and it directly contributed to a
second murder by the same person, who is then not
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able to be pursued by law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And again, you don't even involve federal law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You're not even able to set your politics aside and say, well,
lives at risker here, let's call in the Bureau, which
we don't really like, but they have national jurisdiction, and
whether you love or hate the FBI, they definitely have
the ability to investigate things rapidly and quickly in a complex.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
State to state environment, right, interstate environment.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
And you don't bring them in not because they're not
capable of doing the job, but for a political reason,
directly contributing to a second murder, and there will be
no accountability.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I promise you.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The President Brown willmain the President Brown, the mayor, the governor,
the chief of police, they'll all keep their jobs because
they're leftists and reality doesn't matter, right, politics matter, Your
your viewpoint matters, the narrative matters. People's lives don't matter,
or if they do matter, they take a backseat to
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those things.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
And that is what I find most upsetting.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean, not evenside the fact they're not going
to actually investigate the case.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
To your point, right, well, it.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Was cracked by a homeless person. I meant the homeless
person was ignored by the police. Need literally had to
go online and post something on Reddit or Twitter or
something where he basically said, this is you know, I'm serious,
this is what they need to look into. Here's the
car he was driving, Here's where it was parked, Here's
why I found it out. I mean, it's just the
craziest thing. And set aside the fact that this homeless
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person lives in the building that the shooting took place,
which is.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
A Brown He's not really homeless.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He has a home, he has a home, he lives,
he lives on the campus of Brown University.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
But I mean, buddy, and they're not gonna They're not
gonna again.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
If it had been the president of the democraty I
don't know, the Young Democrats of Brown or whatever the
opposite would be, or if it had been the president
of Antifa or the president of the Transgender you know,
Lobby of Brown or whatever, right, some some left leaning group,
no Stone would be on turn to figure out why
this you know, clearly fascist, you know, Trumpian Republican. Before
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any of this was actually proven. That's how they murderer
would be painted.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And you know, no stone would.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Be left unturned. So yeah, it's just crazy. It's just insane,
and they need to get rid of something. You know,
back in the day, Providence the police chief, you know,
it was typically an Italian dude or an irishman and
if anything like this happened, they would have. I mean
not only would they have caught the guy, but yeah,
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they they would have. I mean it would have been
pretty uh would have been pretty swift justice, if you
know what I mean. And it probably it wouldn't have happened.
I mean, it just it's just didn't. It's just it's
it's a shame and it's too bad. And I guess
it's where we are as.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So there's no motive being given to this and so
so apparently everybody's comfortable with a random guy we can't
we don't really know much about, rented the car and
drove onto the campus of ground, shot the place up,
killed two people, you know, wounded ten others, some critically.
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No one could find them because as you point out,
it's Keystone. Cops goes over to mi I t you know,
across the river, and you know, shoots some professor over
there and then goes up to a storage unit off
and everybody's just like okay, yep, good, good to go
right on.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And you wonder why people believe in conspiracy theories, You wonder, well, yeah,
I mean think about it. It's just it's so fantastical. Yeah,
and you have to. And then you got the idiot
chief of police screaming it at the reporters who are
asking did he say anything, and he's like, it doesn't
matter if he said anything, like good god.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's like if he said something, that's called investigating, that's
called a clue. I mean, if you said, if he
was yelling out all the hawk bar, then you have
some information that you can use to pursue this person.
Right now, you have to take into account that it
may have been a false flag, right, I mean, I've
done a couple of investigations, and guess what not all
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criminals are stupid, and so some of them might yell
a lah wakbar to throw off the trail.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Fine, but that's a piece of information you got to use.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
If the guys in there yelling you know, you bitch,
you stole my wallet. Okay, Well, that matters. Okay, we
need to be looking for the person who thinks their
wallet was stolen by one of these victims.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Right. I mean, how you.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Can take the position that what someone yells in the
course of committing murder doesn't matter. That's a fire eral
bull of fence for a person who's been a detective
two weeks, let alone the.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Chief of police.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right. And so I mean, and now we're just going
to take the position that we don't need to continue
to pursue this investigation and try and figure out what
might have motivated the person or you know, who they
were working with, or why they were doing it, so
that we can prevent this in the future. We're just
going to shrug and go, well, sometimes things like this happen.
I guess we'll just let it go. It's not like
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someone's bike was stolen. I murdered people.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's yeah, it's where it's headed. It's where it's headed.
And then you get Massachusetts, where the mit murder took place.
They get up there, they do two press conferences and
it's done right, very simple, straight to the point. They
had some woman on there who was terrific. And you
get there, I encourage you I encourage you this weekend,
get yourself an eggnog, sit down in front of the
TV or the computer. Just just of course, your network's
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down so you can't do this. But if you could
take a look at some of these press conferences, it
is remarkable, remarkable what they did, and they would just
go on and you couldn't look away. That's the thing,
you just couldn't look away. You're just you're watching.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The issue is nothing will change, I promise you when
there's the next you know, violent crime at Brown or
in Providence some place, So see the same four jack
holes on the TV. If I was a parent of
someone to Brian, I guessed it. But of course if
I was a parent of someone of Brown, I'd probably
view the world very differently. But if I, as myself
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happened to have a child for some crazy reason, hat
Brown man, I would be bullshit, Yeah it's not U.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And then you think about the Yeah, the MIT professor unnecessary.
I mean they should have there's no way the guy
should have ever got off the campus. I mean, it's
just absolutely freaking insane that he had the time to unload.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Where was the campus? I mean I realized, you don't
know the answer these questions. But do they not have
campus police? As Brown gotten to the point where they
just think all police are bad and.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So no, no, they have campus police. He was up.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There were those guys trust conference Brady.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
During the shooting. It's an active shooter.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Every police department in America since at least sand Hook,
if not Columbine, has trained an active shooter drills.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Where were these guys?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't know. They won't answer those questions. They're just.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
This is the demand by I mean, I know you're there,
I know your wife is there. You're both reasonable rational people.
Silas Moody, you know, give or take reasonable rational guy.
Where are the reasonable rational people in Providence? Should they
not be holding these people's feet to the fire and
saying you, you.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Through your gross incompetence, you let a murderer go free.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, I mean you got to keep in mind it's Providence, Okay.
So ever since the mob left, right, there's been a
vacuum in place in terms of power, and so you
just got that vacuum and you get like I think
the head of the city council when I grew up,
it was Ralph Lombardi who ran the whole thing, and
then what was the other guy's name, the dry cleaner,
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There was the dry cleaner. And then he dropped in
and then' farkoli Farkley had it. And then as he
dropped in, but then his wife took it for they
ran the city council. Now you got some non binary
I don't know what the hell you term is, but
neither a man or a woman and like star dust
or something is the name, and that's the head of
the city council. Like the type of thing that would
just not even not only would it, I mean it
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certainly wouldn't have been tolerated back in the day, but
it would have been met with anger and swift action
if anyone even proposed that type of thing, right, do it?
But you know, this is this is what you get.
This is this is what you are.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
This is what you get. I mean, this is exactly
what you get. And the problem is that, you know,
there was a time when if somehow jack assery were
allowed to play out, right, I mean, somehow incompetence rose
to the top of any type.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It doesn't matter what type of incompetence rose to.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
The top, and a critical incident like this occurs, and
it becomes, you know, just painfully evident that incompetence has
risen to positions of leadership. It would have just been
dealt with, right. People would have just said, okay, this,
this can cannot be. Who we have as the chief
of police, the mayor of the governor, the president of
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this prestigious university.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
This can't be. But now the narrative is so important
that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You can literally allow people to be killed through incompetence
in your job.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know, there was a buddy when you and I
grew up.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
If you were a paper boy and you can deliver
the papers, fired, you know, I mean nobody, nobody wished
you ill, but they just said, well, this was your job,
paper delivery. You didn't do it, so you're fired. Right,
And now you.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Can let people be killed and keep your job.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You can have human beings violently murdered and keep your
gig if you're a loftist, right, because the narrative is
what's important.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And apparently the homeless guy was warning he find this
guy was casing out the university two weeks before, and
the homeless guy knew it, and he told people they
didn't listen to him, and he knew that the guy
was chasing out the university, and he said that said it,
and and.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You know, he should be the governor of Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
The homeless guy.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That guy.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You want to hear the funny part, he's already.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Living in a public building. Tons hear the funniest part.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
There's now they put up a fifty thousand dollars reward
for information leading to the arrest of that and they're
like trying not to give it. J That's that's the
funniest part.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
So try not to give it to him.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Why why saying that he doesn't qualify. I don't know,
he doesn't qualify. I don't know exactly what this is
something we're gonna have to get back to him. There's
a lot more we gotta we got to talk about,
but this is, yeah, well, listen, he should get he
should get the fifty k.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He should get it, get the fifty k, and then
he should be made governor. He's the only competent person
involved in all situations.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I mean, the governor is just the governor looked
like he was just, you know, he was he didn't
look good. He didn't look good. But out of all
of me, he looked the best. But he did not
look good. It was not Now what are you looking for?
What do you? Let me ask you this? What do
you make about the whole Rob Reiner thing? Anything? Anything?
There to discuss it?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Catch me up on that, because that occurred, you know,
kind of in the midst of Christ and I are
returning from a trip down to Dallas, et cetera, et cetera,
and so I know that Rob Reiner and his wife
were murdered, and then it turns out they were stabbed
to death by their I think thirty or forty year
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old son, yes, son, right, who enters their home stabs
them to death. I am not aware of a motive, right,
I didn't probably mean God blessed Rob brian Er, you know.
I mean, I'm not going to spend a ton of
time trying to figure out Rob Briner's murder, especially when
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we know who did it. But I don't, you know,
his personal business is his personal business.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
But was there a motive for this?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I don't. I mean, the only thing I've heard is
that the kid was an addict and they all went
to and he was living at home, and like in
his thirties and he'd been there rehab like fifteen times.
And they all went to Conan O'Brien's Christmas party that night.
This was Sunday night, I think, no Saturday, and he
was found on Sunday. Okay, I don't have much.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Would you go to Connor and Brian's Christmas party? No?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, not interested in that. But I was. Again it's
much like you. I was someone distracted and I was
suffering my own trauma after the Patriots blew a twenty
one nothing lead against the Bills same time as broke,
so I didn't you know, I woke up even even
after having a discussion the night before about the Rob
Reiner murdered with Silas, I woke up the next day
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and I was like, Rob Reiner's dead. So it's just,
you know, by the way, terrific, terrific on all in
the family, and his movies meant spinal top, few good men,
Princess Bride, I mean, incredible talent. Didn't like his politics,
but you know, it's not everything. But yeah, I guess
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they went to Conan o'bryan's party, and the kid was
like going up to people asking them if they were famous.
And you know he was unhinged, I guess. And then
apparently Rob Reiner told people at the party that he
was fearful for his and his wife's safety because the
kid was somewhat unhinged. And then it turned out the
kid murdered him and his wife that night, and then
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the daughter found them the next day. And then the
kid was at like a local hotel, just like Daring.
There's blood everywhere, and how do you check into Let
me ask you this, how do you check into a
hotel covered in blood?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well? I get by they see this is that is
an excellent question.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And not long ago you wouldn't have been able to, right,
I mean even if you so, you know, put yourself
in the position of some late night clerk at some
dive motel. Right, so someone comes it covered with blood
clearly not their own, because they're talking to you, right,
and so you're like, huh, this person either murdered someone
or standing.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Real near a murder. So if you're that clerk, the.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Smart thing to do is hopefully there are cameras and
you give them the keys to room two sixteen, right,
and you just go, hey, enjoy your evening. You know,
ice machine down the hall boof in a room two sixteen.
As soon as that person's entered room sixteen, you nine
to one wonting your little butt off, and you're telling them, hey,
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there's a dude covered in blood in room two sixteen.
I just put them in there. Get yourself over here, too, sweet, right,
which hopefully, if it's not providence, at least the police
are going to do. So that's how you handle that, right,
I mean, you don't confront the person. That's unwise unless
you happen to be a master of martial arts or something.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So that's how you do it, right.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But the problem is is that we have so beat
into people that you are not allowed to make any
sort of value judgment about anyone based on their appearance.
Right that if someone approaches you on the street, they're
hood up and a mask on, carrying an M four
and a cudgel, you are not allowed to call the
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police because if you do that, you're a racist and
a homophobe and a fascist and everything else. You just
let that go. You're not allowed to make value judgments anymore.
So even when someone appears completely disheveled, unhinged, covered with blood.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
In their arm, Yeah, you are not allowed to.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Make a value judgment about that, because if you do,
you're a fascist.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And you know so. I'm sure the clerk was like,
here you are, sir, here's the key. Yeah, and off
you go, and think you try to call the police.
Of course, I'm no.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Fascist, would you like the Daily New York Times?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
If someone wants to run around covered in human blood
and and you know, clearly unanged and probably dangerous to
me and everybody else, that's their business. I'm no fascist. Right,
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Here's a question though, right, I mean he he committed
these two gruesome murders stabs of his parents, of his
parents terrible. Yeah, not what you're looking for? And uh,
covered in blood? How is it that oj wasn't covered
in blood when he committed those murders?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
No, boy, here we go, I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Know the whole boy, here you go. I said the
same thing to my wife. I get the same read.
I'm just asking equipment that alloted to ask questions anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well, I don't know if he was or wasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
How do we know that he wasn't. I mean they
he literally.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Saw him immediately after the murders.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
He got into a car. He was in his car.
He parked the car out front, and he ran in
front of what of his home?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Okay, so I saw, I don't know the timeline here.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So okay, if kid, it's convenient when you want, when
it's convenient for you, you know the timeline.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
How do I know the I don't know the timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he So you're cross examining me like I'm some
sort of witness and the issue, sir, well, here's the
thing issue. He he was driving his car. Okay, he
said he didn't do it. They say he did it.
And he was supposed to go to Chicago to the airport.
The murder took place at like he had a red
eye flight to O'Hare from lax. The murder took place
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at like nine o'clock, eight o'clock. Say, I don't know,
it's at eight o'clock. So at like eight point thirty,
he pulls up in front of his house and the
limo drivers there waiting for him to take him to
the airport. Right, Okay, I don't know if the limo
drivers saw his car, the white the white car, the Bronco,
and so then he comes out like fifteen.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I thought that was the other guy's Bronco Al somebody.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Around No Al Al the guy by the way, Jim
Vickers thinks that Al Cowling did it.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh, so Al Cowling was driving OJ's car during the
very famous slow speed pursuit. Yeah, okay, So OJ shows
up in front of OJ's house, which is not.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Where the murders were committed.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Correct in OJ's personal vehicle, which happens to be a
white four Bronco, exits that vehicle.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Because now then pile into a limo to go to
the airport.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, the limo driver didn't see him exit, but the
car was parked out front, and their theory was he
killed these people, drove the car, parked it up front,
ran in and got his bag, ran into the limo.
But there's no blood. I mean, I think they found
like a couple of drops of like blood in the car,
like you know, minuscule blood. No blood in the house.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Who's blood in the car?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I don't know, but it's point of course, it was
it was it was the victims. The theory was that
they planted it. But it was like it was like microscopic.
It was like it was not like My point is,
if you stabbed to people, you're covered in blood, So
why isn't he Why.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Get out of the way, which there are people who
do don't.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Even know there was enough to get out of the
way and close hand combat. How are you gonna get
out of the way?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh, buddy, let me tell you a short story. They're
they're people good at that. But anyway, that's separate issue.
It's not gonna be oj. Oj is not trained that way.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So I agree with you that if someone is committing
an incredibly violent, emotion driven, passion driven murder with an
edged weapon, they are almost certainly going to be covered
with blood. But if nobody saw oj in between the
murder and when he comes out of his own house,
where he certainly could have cleaned himself up, I don't
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know how we can say he wasn't covered.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
But wouldn't there be blood in the car?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
What if he doesn't take the car? No one saw
him in the car. You just told me no one
saw him in the car, but.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That that was the theory that they had no other
way to get him from the crime scene to the house.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, well that's bad, I mean, and then well, I
mean I'm thrown them an incinerator can have thrown them.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Down over what incinerator? Like, where's this incinerator?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Well, I mean, there's lots of things you can do
with them. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I will agree with you that if the theory is
he commits a passion driven homicide on double homicide with
an edged weapon of some sort and then immediately gets
into a vehicle, then I would agree with you that
there is an exceptionally high probability there's going to be
blood all.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Over that vehicle.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
And if you clean the vehicle, there's do a miraculous
job of cleaning the vehicle. Then what you're going to
have is is the cleaning fluid in the vehicle, right,
I mean if the scene of crime guys, if they
can't freaking figure that this vehicle has been cleaned, they're idiots, right,
I mean your vehicle, buddy, you're a cleanly person, one
of the more cleaning persons I know.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Well, your vehicle is covered with you know, the remnants
of your presence.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, So if you clean a vehicle well enough to
get blood out of it, that's what you're going to find.
If you're seeing a crime guy, you're gonna go, well,
this is a ridiculously clean vehicle. Someone very purposefully cleaned
this vehicle using solvents to remove blood.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
It's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Okay, So I agree with you that if the theory
is he, you know, walloped these two folks and then
immediately piled into the bronco, there should be evidence of that.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
And if there isn't, then that's not what happened.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well that's the issue, right, that's the issue here. Here's
the timeline, and I granted we're off the rails here,
but let's let's just go with it.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
This is this is typically what people come to a
Christmas episode Forest to transition from the Brown murder to
oj But.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So they're saying he was he was, she was murdered
sometime between ten and ten thirty, Okay, ten forty one,
Cato Klin. Here's a knock. He's living in the guest
house behind Ojay's property. Fifty his wife's name, his ex
wife's neighbor notices a dog barking and sees blood all
over the place.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Eleven o'clock where so, so the blood, all of it
is where the crime scene, the crime scene and the
crime scene. Okay, but Keto Kale is living where and
someone knocks on his door, but we don't know who.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Now he hears like a knock in the back of
the house, right, So meanwhile, that's ten point fifty. They
noticed the bloody the dog and the blood and barking.
Eleven oh one. OJ comes out of his house and
gets into the limo eleven forty five. His plain leaves
for Chicago, which, by the way, that tells you it's
pre nine to eleven, because there's no chance you're getting
an eleven forty five flight if you're leaving eleven oh one. Yeah,
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that's true, that's definitely true.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
But blood also, the only blood found in the whole
course of this investigation is literally at the crime scene
where the dead bodies are lying.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
There was some blood in the car, but it was mic.
It was like his theory, his lawyer's theory was the
blood in the car was planted, right, okay, because it
had some additive in the blood that typically has taken.
You know more about this than I do, but typically
is taken when you take blood from someone. There was
some additive. That was the theory. I don't know whether
it's true.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I'm not the element right to keep the blood from
from clotting, right, I mean you have to do that
or the blood clots.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That was in the that theoretically, whether it's true or not,
the theory was, and there wasn't.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
There a crooked cop?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
And then just I was deployed for the whole oj thing,
like I wasn't around for any of it.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
So, but wasn't there a crooked cop?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Well that's the thing, right, the knocking behind the Cato
Kalin house. They found one bloody glove, saturated blood behind
the house, nothing else. So the theory is, this guy
is so smart that he commits a double homicide hand
to hand with a serrated knife, gets in his car,
drives back home. There's no trace of blood, minimal traces
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of blood in the car, no traces in the house.
No one finds the clobe, no one finds the murder weapon.
He is not covered in blood. But there's this one
blood soaked glove at the very back of his property
behind the guest house, which he would have to go
ten minutes out of his way to get to to
drop the blood. The glove there, you know it, just
so the theory is, so, the theory is the cops
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dropped that glove there to lock it.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Up and accidentally bumped into the house. And that's what
Kato Kale heard.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Or maybe they bumped into the house so that he
would find it and the cops. I don't know who knows,
but I mean it's also odd that the cops would
be behind the house that quickly after the murder. That's
really odd is ten to fifty forty minutes. Fifty minutes
after the murder. There he might have although he lost
his house, so the one thing he one thing he
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had was I guess so much like the homeless person
in Brown Kato Kalen. He also did not get an
award or reward or anything, trophy nothing.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
So who if O J. Simpson did not kill a
wife and her lover? Who did?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
This is a this is maybe this is something we
need to deep dive into in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Sis they're a Rob Clark of the O. J. Simpsons.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I don't know Jim Vickers will come out and talk
about it. But Jim Vickers, you gonna understand something. You're
dealing with a different animal there, Okay, You're not dealing
with someone that's gonna have the facts and figures of
a Rob Clark, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, okay, well you know what, buddy again, I mean
so far, I think we've you know, we've just crushed
it from a Christmas episode perspective.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I mean, last thing. We have a couple of minutes left,
last thing, uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Before we leave this top because I forgot.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
We didn't go from Brown to OJ, went from Brown
to Reiner to OJ.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
So didn't Trump tweet out?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Some did?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
And then what did he say? What did he do?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well? You know, he he he he and Rob Reiner
did not get along.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Okay, he took it just or did they have a
personal bee for? Is it just a political thing?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I mean Reiner said that he was like basically a
Russian stooge, and you know, oh Trump doesn't link. It's
just a it's a thing. It's a it's a long,
long thing.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So they have a long standing bad blood between them.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, but it was just like it was like, you know,
Ryan did like Trump, Trump did like Reiner, just uh,
the whole whole thing. I mean, I can here's what
he said. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood.
Rob Reiner are tortured and struggling, but one's very talented
movie director and comedy stars passed away together with his wife,
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reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive,
unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known
as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He
was known to have driven people crazy by his raging
obsession at President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia
reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all their
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goals and expectations of greatness and with the Golden Age
of America upon us perhaps like never before. May Robin
Michelle rest in peace.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
There's something wrong with that guy. I mean again, we.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know, we've said it a thousand times. You and
I were not Trumpers. We're certainly more conservative than we
are liberal. We certainly applaud many of the things that
has informed, but there's something wrong with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Probably more than one thing too.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
And I'm sure, like, like we've all met, he's a narcissist, right,
I mean, we've all met guys like this that that
will We have some very close to you that will
take any sort of personal crisis and flip it into
an opportunity for them.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
To say about Silas Moody. No, no, no, I did
no no, not that not.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
No, no, no, this is a this is a remember
let me, let me let me say what I said again.
That will take any situation and focus it on themselves. Okay,
any situation focus it on themselves. In this case is
this would be a female person.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, yeah, So we all know people like this, you know,
they have this narcissism complex.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
And I'm sure what Trump.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I'm sure he sat down and said to himself or
someone said to him, Hey, you know, Rob Reiner was
sadly murdered. Gruesome event. There was bad blood between you two.
You know, it would be a noble effort on your
part is to send out.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Whatever it is. He doesn't use Twitter, I don't think.
I think he uses something else.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Social and and you know, sit down and just you know,
two sentences, mister president, and just express your condolences. It
would be the big thing to do, would be the
noble thing to do. And so Trump goes, I'll do it,
and and so it starts out that way, right.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Sentences, I mean last night in.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Hollywood, Rob Reiner. And then that's rowing off the rails.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Right, so he couldn't do it right because as he
sat there, he couldn't do it, as he sat there, Lord,
under the instruction of his you know, press secretary or
personal handler to do the quote unquote right thing, right,
he couldn't do it because his narcissism overwhelmed him and
he had to use the opportunity to both be rate
a dead man and elevate his you know, his view
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of of how his administration is doing.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
And that I can't see Reagan sending a tweet like that,
although Reagan wouldn't know what a tweet was, so that's
in his defense.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
He can't right, you know, But buddy, here's the issue, right,
all of us want Abraham Lincoln back, right, I mean,
that's what we want. So when you when so when
when you look at this and and I'm sure that this.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Caused, you know, just incredible uproar.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
And so when you look at that, you and someone
is uproaring about it, he said, well, you know what
son of a gun we got, you know, something of
a narcissist and potentially a lunatic with respect to this
aspect of his personality in the Oval office. You would
you rather have how about abraha, I'm Lincoln. Oh yeah,
Like we can all agree with Abraham Lincoln was available, upright,
he's not available because he is dead. But also we
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do not applaud moral, upright people anymore. Right, Like if
Abraham lincol would never get elected today he was a
you know, a Christian, you know, god fearing, Bible believing person.
And again I'm not necessarily advocating for that. You and
I are both Christians. You and I are both God fearing.
(46:29):
You and I are both Bible believing. Okay, so we
fall into that category. But I'm not even advocating for that.
I'm just saying that if a person who has a
worldview that allows them to become the Abraham Lincoln of
history were to become engaged in politics.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Today, they'd be out on a rail.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
They would never get a vote because people say, well,
you're a radical, you know, religious whack job and a
fascist and a racist and homophobe, and you can't run
for office, and so okay, so we are where we are,
and at the top of your ticket you as a
result of that, as a result of where America has
gone with this view of what makes a person eligible
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for the presidency.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
You get Kamala Harris, Donald Trump. That's what you get.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
So, America, if you are upset that the person currently
sitting in the Oval Office sent out this tweety truth
socially thing, you have no one to blame about yourself,
because the people who wouldn't have sent this, the people
who would have said, you know what, Rob Ryner and
I had our differences, but this is no whay to go.
This is a horrible, reprehensible act. You know, Milani and
(47:36):
I are you know, heartbroken over this event. Our thoughts
and prayers to the Rhiner family.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
The person who would have wrote that you wouldn't have elected.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Okay, so it is your fault, America that we have
these tweets or whatever they are going out.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, I mean sometimes it's good to just take a
step back and say, hmm, oh, it's real good. I
do it.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
I try to do it quite often actually, because you know,
for an other reason, to maintain my own sanity, because
I mean, you know, we have I mean, here we
are handed the United States of America. Yeah, and the
greatness of this country when it was turned over to
us by our grandparents, the greatest generation.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
That you know, one world War two. And this is
what we've done with it.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
It's ruined. Well, you know what Brad will have to
save for next week. Great Christmas, Merry Christmas, very very Christmas.
Good episode. Next week, we'll talk about renaming the Kennedy
Center after President Trump.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
What yeah, why, why? Why is that being proposed?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
It has happened. The board of the Kennedy Center has
renamed it the Trump Kennedy Center. Of course, Rob Bryder
did not vote in that.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
No, no, I'm my my guest is Rob Reiner would
not have voted for that. There it is why we
gotta go, you gotta go, We gotta go America.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think I literally just blew your mind.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
You you've certainly come close now you you've certainly given
me something to look at after we wrap up the
recording of this very fine program. You know again, Merry Christmas, everybody.
You got murderer brown murder at the Reiner household, murder
potentially by Jay Simpson, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
It's all murder, all the time.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
The Christmas episode here on uh, on this program, and
and we will not normally I would say here that
we're going to do this all again next week because
normally we you know, we're covering topics that that should
be covered. But in this case, we we didn't do
a great job of giving you a Christmas episode. We
will do better with a New Year's episode when we
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are back next week. Right here on IP frequently, Oh
ho ho.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
This has been IP frequently, once again clearing a forest
of lies with the machete of truth.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
You're welcome.
In these bleak days, humanity is at a breaking point.
Economies are tanking, the woke mob is canceling everything, and
the little guy who's just trying to run a small
business is getting screwed from both ends. But not all
is lost. Amidst the chaos, two men offer up their
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voices in the darkness, dropping two thousand pounds laser guided
truth bombs on today's lunacy, introducing the Sirens of Sanity,
David Pridham and l Bradley Sheef.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Not got your beautiful right now? Man, Christmas, There it
is brad Elton, John at Ed Sheeran and listen. Nothing
nothing says Christmas more than a brit skipping around singing
that song Lovely Lovely? Is Sharon A Brett? I thought
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he was an irishman.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well they're both from the UK. Maybe I should, Maybe
I should broaden my skill.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Let me look at hold on, let me look at you.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Ten point two seconds. It's a record for you, like
with a condescending correction a record.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, that's not a record. I'm well under ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sometimes you go before the show, sometimes I do, Lord, yeah,
but I listened. I mean Elton Joe who doesn't love
Elton John.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I do like Elton John, and frankly, I don't know
if this is cool or not as a middle edged guy,
but I'm not cool anyway.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I like Ed Sharon, so he.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Sang our our wedding song was a mashup of Ed
Shearon thinking out loud and Tony Bennett the way you
look tonight. So it's very nice. But you know what
was interesting with Elton John. I remember in the eighties
when we first got MTV. Remember the song I'm still
standing sure. It was like my first intro to like
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Elton John. There was like a number one head the
better than I ever did, like like Truce. If I
feel like a little kid. He I would put on
MTV when I would go to my grandparents' house and
after school some days, and I and my grandmother wud
look at the TV and she'd say, you know, I
just don't understand, very similar to the Liberaci comments and
the Lawrence Wall comments, I just don't understand why he
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can't just find a nice woman and settle down.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, your grandmother came from a different time and era,
and her you know, the lens through which she viewed
life was not tainted as ours is today with having
to factor in a bunch of you know, various squirrely perspectives.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I guess, yeah, I mean just the the it's a
different time, I guess, I guess, a different different time.
But it's coming back around again. It's coming back around again,
So lots going on again. This is the annual Christmas
episode where we sort of reflect on the year and
we're not making their predictions. That's next week, the bold
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Predictions into the future. That's next week. That's the New
Year's episode. This is the Christmas episode. It's going to
be dropping on Christmas Eve, so everyone can get around
the hearth, the hearth and listen to this on the
old cable radio if you got.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
One, certainly, which people like to do, especially on the holidays.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Gather as a family.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Put on a you know, old school Vmax sweater over
a button down shirt and a pair of corduroy pants.
Start a fire with a Yule log, make some hot cocoa. Yep,
keep your eye on old uncle Ernest over there is
going to be trying to, you know, pour some snops
into his Keep an eye on him.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Gather around the radio and you listen to Christmas tunes
and or a podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, no, absolutely, And some people wouldn't even put on
the shirt under the under the V neck. They just
get the little piece of cloth that purports to be
a shirt. Yeah, that just you know, goes down on
both sides like almost like a frock, a mini frock
that you put you were under the shirt, so it
looks like you've got the shirt, which clearly you don't.
But but yeah, so this is the big episode where
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we do that. But there's a lot going on in
the world, a lot to talk about, and and you
have a unique perspective on some of this stuff because
I'm up here. You know, we we in the in
the in the in the New England area have been
dealing with this Brown University shooting. There was a shooting
in Brown University where two people were tragically killed and
up to ten more were sent to the hospital in
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critical condition.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And that happened, and they the guy got away, and
then like three days later, this mi I T professor,
this thermonuclear physicist or whatever was murdered.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And the guy got away. I thought they I thought
they caught him like hours later in a hotel.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Or something, and they caught him yesterday. No, no, no, no,
they caught him. The guy they caught the hotel was
the wrong guy. It was somebody else. And so so
they they mean the thing, this is just like it's upsetting, right,
I mean, Brown costs like one hundred k year to
go to. First of all, they have like twelve hundred
cameras on campus, half of which, by the way, they
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turned off at the request of Antifa and all these
crazy frigging you go up there. Now, it's not when
I grew up, Brown was a great school. Right now,
it's just controlled by these radical it's all Palestine. It's
all about Palestine and anti Jewish and this crazy stuff.
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And so they have this shooting. Good one of the
people of the two that got shot several times and
killed was this woman who was the u who was
the president of the Brown Young Republicans, and they you know,
so there's the theories about whether she was targeted. It
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was in this big hall where you know, the president
of the university gets up there and one of these meandering,
stupid press conferences and says she doesn't know what the
what the students were doing in that hall who was
in the hall. There was no that the door locks
were disengaged, so you could just wander in and out.
But but so the shooting happens.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
They did, They really turned the cameras off at the
request of.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
They turned some cameras off on campus at the request
of antifon these pro Palestinian organizations.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That's not to be captured on film.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well correct, Then they're walking around to these freaking masks
and their heads wrapped. I don't know, But so the
shooting happens. There's a lockdown in the city of Providence, right,
we was last last Saturday lockdown. One of our good friends,
Sila's Moody was out that night, by the way, and
he was actually partaking in a nice bottle of wine
up at a place on College Hill where Brown is
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and I texted him about three hours in and I said,
you still out what's going on there? He completely had
no idea there was a lockdown. He looked out the window,
he saw the police cars everywhere and he said, oh, interesting.
But in any event, they locked down everything. Tell the
there are students who are during the middle of final zams.
They're terrified. They're like barricading doors and libraries with couches
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and tables and barricading themselves into their dorm rooms. And
so this lockdown goes on overnight, right, and they don't
catch the guy. They don't care. They catch they detained
the wrong guy. There are rumors that the guy said
a la akbar when he shot the shut up the
study hall or the room he shot up. But you know,
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the guy just gets away, just gets away. So they
catch the wrong guy. And as soon as they catch
they get well, they catch the wrong guys. Does they
catch the wrong guy? This the president who's paid like
four million a year to be the president, Brown by
the way, gets up there and she says, okay, well
they caught him. We're gonna lift the shelter in place,
and we're gonna let everyone go home. So she lets
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everyone go home, all the students go home, no more exams,
cancels all the exams and uh. And then within half
hour they realized it's the wrong guy. Everyone's gone. So
you have no one to question. I mean, there's just
a total cluster that they finally get pictures of the
guy because the cameras, not because of the cameras of
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the university, which by the way. There should be thousands, right, thousands,
but there aren't. But they local neighbors get the picture
pictures of this guy on these doors, their ring door
bell can and their ring cameras. Security care. So they
get it. Pictures of a guy in a mask walking
around before the shooting. He's walking over two hours before
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the shooting around the building. What kind of mask, like
a face, like a medical mask, but big black mask,
black hood. I mean, like you'd see his eyes, you
couldn't tell who it was. And then afterwards there's videos
of him sauntering right by police cars after the shooting,
sauntering the guy they said was the killer. And so
they have no idea that this guy, you know, did anything.
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They're not going to cooperate with the FBI came in,
but they're not asking for the FBI to take over
the investigation because of you know, ice and all that craziness.
And so these guys run it and this is tradition,
this is true Keystone cops. You get the mayor of
Providence up there, who is who and his husband he's
been mayor for like two terms. He's a sanctuary city,
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freaking lunatic. And then the governor's up there, who's like,
your sanctuary city, hold my beer, a sanctuary state. Then
you got the nitwit president of Brown. You got the
police chief, the police chief who doesn't he speaks Providence
of Providence, who speaks broken English, right, who's like yelling
at reporters because they're saying, hey, did he did someone?
Did he yell something when he shot up the room.
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And this guy's the police officer. The police chief is
screaming at them right in broken English. You can't understand
what he's saying. You got the And then after the
first press conference, they decided it's a good idea to
roll out the interpreter, you know, the person, the sign
language person. So you got this freaking sign language person
at the very front, like doing the sign language in
this very very dramatic way, like it's just it looks
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like something that would be a Saturday Night Live skit. Meanwhile,
they have no idea did this. The MIT professor gets murdered.
A couple of days later, they say there is no
connection whatsoever to the crime in Brown. At Brown, no
connection whatsoever. It's a different guy. Brown starts taking down
pictures of anti FU people from their website. In the
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middle of this, I have no idea why. And the
President gets up and says, it's not happening, but it
was happening. Then yesterday, a homeless person who lived in
the basement of the building where the shooting took place.
Let that sink in, but just let that sink in
comes forward and he says, actually, I confronted the guy
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and I saw him beforehand, and he was driving a
weird car with Florida plates, so he had all this
information on the thing. And he said, I told this
the police, and they didn't pay any attention to me
because I'm homeless and live in the basement of this place.
He comes forward, and it turns out not only did
he nail it that this is the guy that did it,
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a guy like graduated from Brown like twenty five years ago,
and or he intended Brown twenty five years ago, but
it also turned out this is the guy in the
car that was being looked at for the MIT murder.
And then they show up, decided they go for some reason.
They go to New Hampshire where this guy had recently
rented a storage facility and they find him dead. The shooter.
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The shooter, yeah, and case closes.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Now, who was he?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
He was some guy who went to Brown years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I mean, he's just like a like a middle aged
dude who lost it.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He was, He's like a he's like from Europe and
he was a here in a temporary visa and of
course overstayed for like twenty years. But I mean, it's
just the most bizarre. And then every night, like twice
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a day, they get up there with these press conferences.
They have no clue what they're doing, right, no clue
what they're doing. They've let the guy completely slip way.
Probably they're incompetence, and the fact that Brown didn't have
half these stupid cameras turned on led to the murder
of the guy from MIT.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
For sure, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And then you're telling me what this guy on a
lark decided to go into this particular building on this
particular campus where he hasn't been in twenty some odd years,
kills the head of the road the Brown publican young Republicans,
then drives to Mit and kills some thermonuclear physicist who
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was apparently like a nationally renowned top of his profession person,
and then just goes off to a storage facility and
kills himself.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, buddy, I here's why I find so upsetting about
all this.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right, So, the reason that guy was able to walk
around hood up mask on at a place like Brown
is because they have such a swarm of these Antifa
douchebags constantly walking around hood up mask on, and.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
That's acceptable to them. Right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So you've got the combination of you've let this group
dominate your culture and so now you've changed people's you know,
sort of this is k meter, right, And so that's
bad because now instead of hopefully many people going you know,
who's this dude, and at least alerting campus police or
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security or whatever they have there, if not calling Providence police.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Which it sounds like maybe a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Anyway to say, you know, I don't know, I mean,
maybe the guy, maybe there's a good reason for this,
but you know, the guy's dressed as though he intends
to do people harm.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Can someone just poke their nose.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Into this and figured out people just they I'm sure
many students just looked and looked away, I mean, not
not even consciously saying to themselves I'm no longer allowed
to comment on this, or I might be shouted down
in the street as a racist or a fascist or whatever,
which is another problem. I'm sure they just glanced and said, oh,
that's normal, like around here where I'm paying one hundred
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thousand dollars to be unsafe and get a you know,
a half assed education, because you know, the left has
dominated this, so I'm only going to get one side
of every story. It's fine for these you know, incredibly
violent mass and therefore anonymous human beings to walk around, right,
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So you got that, you got the cameras being turned
off because of that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And so you know, all of this is just bad.
And so that's bad.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And I find that upsetting and I find it disappointing
on any number of levels. But what is really bad
and disappointing is I can almost guarantee you that there
will be no accountability, No accountability for the President of Brown,
no accountability for the Mayor of Providence, the governor of
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Rhode Island, the chief of the Providence Police. Soll me
know the fact that all of these people are morons,
that their viewpoint has been horribly skewed by the political
lens through which they view the world, and that let
a killer get away and it directly contributed to a
second murder by the same person, who is then not
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able to be pursued by law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And again, you don't even involve federal law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You're not even able to set your politics aside and say, well,
lives at risker here, let's call in the Bureau, which
we don't really like, but they have national jurisdiction, and
whether you love or hate the FBI, they definitely have
the ability to investigate things rapidly and quickly in a complex.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
State to state environment, right, interstate environment.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
And you don't bring them in not because they're not
capable of doing the job, but for a political reason,
directly contributing to a second murder, and there will be
no accountability.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I promise you.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The President Brown willmain the President Brown, the mayor, the governor,
the chief of police, they'll all keep their jobs because
they're leftists and reality doesn't matter, right, politics matter, Your
your viewpoint matters, the narrative matters. People's lives don't matter,
or if they do matter, they take a backseat to
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those things.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
And that is what I find most upsetting.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean, not evenside the fact they're not going
to actually investigate the case.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
To your point, right, well, it.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Was cracked by a homeless person. I meant the homeless
person was ignored by the police. Need literally had to
go online and post something on Reddit or Twitter or
something where he basically said, this is you know, I'm serious,
this is what they need to look into. Here's the
car he was driving, Here's where it was parked, Here's
why I found it out. I mean, it's just the
craziest thing. And set aside the fact that this homeless
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person lives in the building that the shooting took place,
which is.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
A Brown He's not really homeless.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He has a home, he has a home, he lives,
he lives on the campus of Brown University.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
But I mean, buddy, and they're not gonna They're not
gonna again.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
If it had been the president of the democraty I
don't know, the Young Democrats of Brown or whatever the
opposite would be, or if it had been the president
of Antifa or the president of the Transgender you know,
Lobby of Brown or whatever, right, some some left leaning group,
no Stone would be on turn to figure out why
this you know, clearly fascist, you know, Trumpian Republican. Before
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any of this was actually proven. That's how they murderer
would be painted.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And you know, no stone would.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Be left unturned. So yeah, it's just crazy. It's just insane,
and they need to get rid of something. You know,
back in the day, Providence the police chief, you know,
it was typically an Italian dude or an irishman and
if anything like this happened, they would have. I mean
not only would they have caught the guy, but yeah,
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they they would have. I mean it would have been
pretty uh would have been pretty swift justice, if you
know what I mean. And it probably it wouldn't have happened.
I mean, it just it's just didn't. It's just it's
it's a shame and it's too bad. And I guess
it's where we are as.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So there's no motive being given to this and so
so apparently everybody's comfortable with a random guy we can't
we don't really know much about, rented the car and
drove onto the campus of ground, shot the place up,
killed two people, you know, wounded ten others, some critically.
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No one could find them because as you point out,
it's Keystone. Cops goes over to mi I t you know,
across the river, and you know, shoots some professor over
there and then goes up to a storage unit off
and everybody's just like okay, yep, good, good to go
right on.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And you wonder why people believe in conspiracy theories, You wonder, well, yeah,
I mean think about it. It's just it's so fantastical. Yeah,
and you have to. And then you got the idiot
chief of police screaming it at the reporters who are
asking did he say anything, and he's like, it doesn't
matter if he said anything, like good god.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's like if he said something, that's called investigating, that's
called a clue. I mean, if you said, if he
was yelling out all the hawk bar, then you have
some information that you can use to pursue this person.
Right now, you have to take into account that it
may have been a false flag, right, I mean, I've
done a couple of investigations, and guess what not all
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criminals are stupid, and so some of them might yell
a lah wakbar to throw off the trail.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Fine, but that's a piece of information you got to use.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
If the guys in there yelling you know, you bitch,
you stole my wallet. Okay, Well, that matters. Okay, we
need to be looking for the person who thinks their
wallet was stolen by one of these victims.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Right. I mean, how you.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Can take the position that what someone yells in the
course of committing murder doesn't matter. That's a fire eral
bull of fence for a person who's been a detective
two weeks, let alone the.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Chief of police.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right. And so I mean, and now we're just going
to take the position that we don't need to continue
to pursue this investigation and try and figure out what
might have motivated the person or you know, who they
were working with, or why they were doing it, so
that we can prevent this in the future. We're just
going to shrug and go, well, sometimes things like this happen.
I guess we'll just let it go. It's not like
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someone's bike was stolen. I murdered people.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's yeah, it's where it's headed. It's where it's headed.
And then you get Massachusetts, where the mit murder took place.
They get up there, they do two press conferences and
it's done right, very simple, straight to the point. They
had some woman on there who was terrific. And you
get there, I encourage you I encourage you this weekend,
get yourself an eggnog, sit down in front of the
TV or the computer. Just just of course, your network's
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down so you can't do this. But if you could
take a look at some of these press conferences, it
is remarkable, remarkable what they did, and they would just
go on and you couldn't look away. That's the thing,
you just couldn't look away. You're just you're watching.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The issue is nothing will change, I promise you when
there's the next you know, violent crime at Brown or
in Providence some place, So see the same four jack
holes on the TV. If I was a parent of
someone to Brian, I guessed it. But of course if
I was a parent of someone of Brown, I'd probably
view the world very differently. But if I, as myself
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happened to have a child for some crazy reason, hat
Brown man, I would be bullshit, Yeah it's not U.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And then you think about the Yeah, the MIT professor unnecessary.
I mean they should have there's no way the guy
should have ever got off the campus. I mean, it's
just absolutely freaking insane that he had the time to unload.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Where was the campus? I mean I realized, you don't
know the answer these questions. But do they not have
campus police? As Brown gotten to the point where they
just think all police are bad and.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So no, no, they have campus police. He was up.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There were those guys trust conference Brady.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
During the shooting. It's an active shooter.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Every police department in America since at least sand Hook,
if not Columbine, has trained an active shooter drills.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Where were these guys?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't know. They won't answer those questions. They're just.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
This is the demand by I mean, I know you're there,
I know your wife is there. You're both reasonable rational people.
Silas Moody, you know, give or take reasonable rational guy.
Where are the reasonable rational people in Providence? Should they
not be holding these people's feet to the fire and
saying you, you.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Through your gross incompetence, you let a murderer go free.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, I mean you got to keep in mind it's Providence, Okay.
So ever since the mob left, right, there's been a
vacuum in place in terms of power, and so you
just got that vacuum and you get like I think
the head of the city council when I grew up,
it was Ralph Lombardi who ran the whole thing, and
then what was the other guy's name, the dry cleaner,
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There was the dry cleaner. And then he dropped in
and then' farkoli Farkley had it. And then as he
dropped in, but then his wife took it for they
ran the city council. Now you got some non binary
I don't know what the hell you term is, but
neither a man or a woman and like star dust
or something is the name, and that's the head of
the city council. Like the type of thing that would
just not even not only would it, I mean it
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certainly wouldn't have been tolerated back in the day, but
it would have been met with anger and swift action
if anyone even proposed that type of thing, right, do it?
But you know, this is this is what you get.
This is this is what you are.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
This is what you get. I mean, this is exactly
what you get. And the problem is that, you know,
there was a time when if somehow jack assery were
allowed to play out, right, I mean, somehow incompetence rose
to the top of any type.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It doesn't matter what type of incompetence rose to.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
The top, and a critical incident like this occurs, and
it becomes, you know, just painfully evident that incompetence has
risen to positions of leadership. It would have just been
dealt with, right. People would have just said, okay, this,
this can cannot be. Who we have as the chief
of police, the mayor of the governor, the president of
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this prestigious university.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
This can't be. But now the narrative is so important
that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You can literally allow people to be killed through incompetence
in your job.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know, there was a buddy when you and I
grew up.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
If you were a paper boy and you can deliver
the papers, fired, you know, I mean nobody, nobody wished
you ill, but they just said, well, this was your job,
paper delivery. You didn't do it, so you're fired. Right,
And now you.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Can let people be killed and keep your job.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You can have human beings violently murdered and keep your
gig if you're a loftist, right, because the narrative is
what's important.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And apparently the homeless guy was warning he find this
guy was casing out the university two weeks before, and
the homeless guy knew it, and he told people they
didn't listen to him, and he knew that the guy
was chasing out the university, and he said that said it,
and and.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You know, he should be the governor of Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
The homeless guy.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That guy.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You want to hear the funny part, he's already.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Living in a public building. Tons hear the funniest part.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
There's now they put up a fifty thousand dollars reward
for information leading to the arrest of that and they're
like trying not to give it. J That's that's the
funniest part.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
So try not to give it to him.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Why why saying that he doesn't qualify. I don't know,
he doesn't qualify. I don't know exactly what this is
something we're gonna have to get back to him. There's
a lot more we gotta we got to talk about,
but this is, yeah, well, listen, he should get he
should get the fifty k.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He should get it, get the fifty k, and then
he should be made governor. He's the only competent person
involved in all situations.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I mean, the governor is just the governor looked
like he was just, you know, he was he didn't
look good. He didn't look good. But out of all
of me, he looked the best. But he did not
look good. It was not Now what are you looking for?
What do you? Let me ask you this? What do
you make about the whole Rob Reiner thing? Anything? Anything?
There to discuss it?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Catch me up on that, because that occurred, you know,
kind of in the midst of Christ and I are
returning from a trip down to Dallas, et cetera, et cetera,
and so I know that Rob Reiner and his wife
were murdered, and then it turns out they were stabbed
to death by their I think thirty or forty year
(27:54):
old son, yes, son, right, who enters their home stabs
them to death. I am not aware of a motive, right,
I didn't probably mean God blessed Rob brian Er, you know.
I mean, I'm not going to spend a ton of
time trying to figure out Rob Briner's murder, especially when
(28:14):
we know who did it. But I don't, you know,
his personal business is his personal business.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
But was there a motive for this?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I don't. I mean, the only thing I've heard is
that the kid was an addict and they all went
to and he was living at home, and like in
his thirties and he'd been there rehab like fifteen times.
And they all went to Conan O'Brien's Christmas party that night.
This was Sunday night, I think, no Saturday, and he
was found on Sunday. Okay, I don't have much.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Would you go to Connor and Brian's Christmas party? No?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, not interested in that. But I was. Again it's
much like you. I was someone distracted and I was
suffering my own trauma after the Patriots blew a twenty
one nothing lead against the Bills same time as broke,
so I didn't you know, I woke up even even
after having a discussion the night before about the Rob
Reiner murdered with Silas, I woke up the next day
(29:09):
and I was like, Rob Reiner's dead. So it's just,
you know, by the way, terrific, terrific on all in
the family, and his movies meant spinal top, few good men,
Princess Bride, I mean, incredible talent. Didn't like his politics,
but you know, it's not everything. But yeah, I guess
(29:31):
they went to Conan o'bryan's party, and the kid was
like going up to people asking them if they were famous.
And you know he was unhinged, I guess. And then
apparently Rob Reiner told people at the party that he
was fearful for his and his wife's safety because the
kid was somewhat unhinged. And then it turned out the
kid murdered him and his wife that night, and then
(29:52):
the daughter found them the next day. And then the
kid was at like a local hotel, just like Daring.
There's blood everywhere, and how do you check into Let
me ask you this, how do you check into a
hotel covered in blood?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well? I get by they see this is that is
an excellent question.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And not long ago you wouldn't have been able to, right,
I mean even if you so, you know, put yourself
in the position of some late night clerk at some
dive motel. Right, so someone comes it covered with blood
clearly not their own, because they're talking to you, right,
and so you're like, huh, this person either murdered someone
or standing.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Real near a murder. So if you're that clerk, the.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Smart thing to do is hopefully there are cameras and
you give them the keys to room two sixteen, right,
and you just go, hey, enjoy your evening. You know,
ice machine down the hall boof in a room two sixteen.
As soon as that person's entered room sixteen, you nine
to one wonting your little butt off, and you're telling them, hey,
(30:55):
there's a dude covered in blood in room two sixteen.
I just put them in there. Get yourself over here, too, sweet, right,
which hopefully, if it's not providence, at least the police
are going to do. So that's how you handle that, right,
I mean, you don't confront the person. That's unwise unless
you happen to be a master of martial arts or something.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So that's how you do it, right.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But the problem is is that we have so beat
into people that you are not allowed to make any
sort of value judgment about anyone based on their appearance.
Right that if someone approaches you on the street, they're
hood up and a mask on, carrying an M four
and a cudgel, you are not allowed to call the
(31:41):
police because if you do that, you're a racist and
a homophobe and a fascist and everything else. You just
let that go. You're not allowed to make value judgments anymore.
So even when someone appears completely disheveled, unhinged, covered with blood.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
In their arm, Yeah, you are not allowed to.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Make a value judgment about that, because if you do,
you're a fascist.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And you know so. I'm sure the clerk was like,
here you are, sir, here's the key. Yeah, and off
you go, and think you try to call the police.
Of course, I'm no.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Fascist, would you like the Daily New York Times?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
If someone wants to run around covered in human blood
and and you know, clearly unanged and probably dangerous to
me and everybody else, that's their business. I'm no fascist. Right,
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Here's a question though, right, I mean he he committed
these two gruesome murders stabs of his parents, of his
parents terrible. Yeah, not what you're looking for? And uh,
covered in blood? How is it that oj wasn't covered
in blood when he committed those murders?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
No, boy, here we go, I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Know the whole boy, here you go. I said the
same thing to my wife. I get the same read.
I'm just asking equipment that alloted to ask questions anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well, I don't know if he was or wasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
How do we know that he wasn't. I mean they
he literally.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Saw him immediately after the murders.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
He got into a car. He was in his car.
He parked the car out front, and he ran in
front of what of his home?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Okay, so I saw, I don't know the timeline here.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So okay, if kid, it's convenient when you want, when
it's convenient for you, you know the timeline.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
How do I know the I don't know the timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he So you're cross examining me like I'm some
sort of witness and the issue, sir, well, here's the
thing issue. He he was driving his car. Okay, he
said he didn't do it. They say he did it.
And he was supposed to go to Chicago to the airport.
The murder took place at like he had a red
eye flight to O'Hare from lax. The murder took place
(33:46):
at like nine o'clock, eight o'clock. Say, I don't know,
it's at eight o'clock. So at like eight point thirty,
he pulls up in front of his house and the
limo drivers there waiting for him to take him to
the airport. Right, Okay, I don't know if the limo
drivers saw his car, the white the white car, the Bronco,
and so then he comes out like fifteen.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I thought that was the other guy's Bronco Al somebody.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Around No Al Al the guy by the way, Jim
Vickers thinks that Al Cowling did it.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh, so Al Cowling was driving OJ's car during the
very famous slow speed pursuit. Yeah, okay, So OJ shows
up in front of OJ's house, which is not.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Where the murders were committed.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Correct in OJ's personal vehicle, which happens to be a
white four Bronco, exits that vehicle.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Because now then pile into a limo to go to
the airport.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, the limo driver didn't see him exit, but the
car was parked out front, and their theory was he
killed these people, drove the car, parked it up front,
ran in and got his bag, ran into the limo.
But there's no blood. I mean, I think they found
like a couple of drops of like blood in the car,
like you know, minuscule blood. No blood in the house.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Who's blood in the car?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I don't know, but it's point of course, it was
it was it was the victims. The theory was that
they planted it. But it was like it was like microscopic.
It was like it was not like My point is,
if you stabbed to people, you're covered in blood, So
why isn't he Why.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Get out of the way, which there are people who
do don't.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Even know there was enough to get out of the
way and close hand combat. How are you gonna get
out of the way?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh, buddy, let me tell you a short story. They're
they're people good at that. But anyway, that's separate issue.
It's not gonna be oj. Oj is not trained that way.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So I agree with you that if someone is committing
an incredibly violent, emotion driven, passion driven murder with an
edged weapon, they are almost certainly going to be covered
with blood. But if nobody saw oj in between the
murder and when he comes out of his own house,
where he certainly could have cleaned himself up, I don't
(35:51):
know how we can say he wasn't covered.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
But wouldn't there be blood in the car?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
What if he doesn't take the car? No one saw
him in the car. You just told me no one
saw him in the car, but.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That that was the theory that they had no other
way to get him from the crime scene to the house.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, well that's bad, I mean, and then well, I
mean I'm thrown them an incinerator can have thrown them.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Down over what incinerator? Like, where's this incinerator?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Well, I mean, there's lots of things you can do
with them. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I will agree with you that if the theory is
he commits a passion driven homicide on double homicide with
an edged weapon of some sort and then immediately gets
into a vehicle, then I would agree with you that
there is an exceptionally high probability there's going to be
blood all.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Over that vehicle.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
And if you clean the vehicle, there's do a miraculous
job of cleaning the vehicle. Then what you're going to
have is is the cleaning fluid in the vehicle, right,
I mean if the scene of crime guys, if they
can't freaking figure that this vehicle has been cleaned, they're idiots, right,
I mean your vehicle, buddy, you're a cleanly person, one
of the more cleaning persons I know.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Well, your vehicle is covered with you know, the remnants
of your presence.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, So if you clean a vehicle well enough to
get blood out of it, that's what you're going to find.
If you're seeing a crime guy, you're gonna go, well,
this is a ridiculously clean vehicle. Someone very purposefully cleaned
this vehicle using solvents to remove blood.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
It's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Okay, So I agree with you that if the theory
is he, you know, walloped these two folks and then
immediately piled into the bronco, there should be evidence of that.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
And if there isn't, then that's not what happened.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well that's the issue, right, that's the issue here. Here's
the timeline, and I granted we're off the rails here,
but let's let's just go with it.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
This is this is typically what people come to a
Christmas episode Forest to transition from the Brown murder to
oj But.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So they're saying he was he was, she was murdered
sometime between ten and ten thirty, Okay, ten forty one,
Cato Klin. Here's a knock. He's living in the guest
house behind Ojay's property. Fifty his wife's name, his ex
wife's neighbor notices a dog barking and sees blood all
over the place.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Eleven o'clock where so, so the blood, all of it
is where the crime scene, the crime scene and the
crime scene. Okay, but Keto Kale is living where and
someone knocks on his door, but we don't know who.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Now he hears like a knock in the back of
the house, right, So meanwhile, that's ten point fifty. They
noticed the bloody the dog and the blood and barking.
Eleven oh one. OJ comes out of his house and
gets into the limo eleven forty five. His plain leaves
for Chicago, which, by the way, that tells you it's
pre nine to eleven, because there's no chance you're getting
an eleven forty five flight if you're leaving eleven oh one. Yeah,
(38:43):
that's true, that's definitely true.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
But blood also, the only blood found in the whole
course of this investigation is literally at the crime scene
where the dead bodies are lying.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
There was some blood in the car, but it was mic.
It was like his theory, his lawyer's theory was the
blood in the car was planted, right, okay, because it
had some additive in the blood that typically has taken.
You know more about this than I do, but typically
is taken when you take blood from someone. There was
some additive. That was the theory. I don't know whether
it's true.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I'm not the element right to keep the blood from
from clotting, right, I mean you have to do that
or the blood clots.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That was in the that theoretically, whether it's true or not,
the theory was, and there wasn't.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
There a crooked cop?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
And then just I was deployed for the whole oj thing,
like I wasn't around for any of it.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
So, but wasn't there a crooked cop?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Well that's the thing, right, the knocking behind the Cato
Kalin house. They found one bloody glove, saturated blood behind
the house, nothing else. So the theory is, this guy
is so smart that he commits a double homicide hand
to hand with a serrated knife, gets in his car,
drives back home. There's no trace of blood, minimal traces
(39:56):
of blood in the car, no traces in the house.
No one finds the clobe, no one finds the murder weapon.
He is not covered in blood. But there's this one
blood soaked glove at the very back of his property
behind the guest house, which he would have to go
ten minutes out of his way to get to to
drop the blood. The glove there, you know it, just
so the theory is, so, the theory is the cops
(40:18):
dropped that glove there to lock it.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Up and accidentally bumped into the house. And that's what
Kato Kale heard.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Or maybe they bumped into the house so that he
would find it and the cops. I don't know who knows,
but I mean it's also odd that the cops would
be behind the house that quickly after the murder. That's
really odd is ten to fifty forty minutes. Fifty minutes
after the murder. There he might have although he lost
his house, so the one thing he one thing he
(40:44):
had was I guess so much like the homeless person
in Brown Kato Kalen. He also did not get an
award or reward or anything, trophy nothing.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
So who if O J. Simpson did not kill a
wife and her lover? Who did?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
This is a this is maybe this is something we
need to deep dive into in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Sis they're a Rob Clark of the O. J. Simpsons.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I don't know Jim Vickers will come out and talk
about it. But Jim Vickers, you gonna understand something. You're
dealing with a different animal there, Okay, You're not dealing
with someone that's gonna have the facts and figures of
a Rob Clark, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, okay, well you know what, buddy again, I mean
so far, I think we've you know, we've just crushed
it from a Christmas episode perspective.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I mean, last thing. We have a couple of minutes left,
last thing, uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Before we leave this top because I forgot.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
We didn't go from Brown to OJ, went from Brown
to Reiner to OJ.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
So didn't Trump tweet out?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Some did?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
And then what did he say? What did he do?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well? You know, he he he he and Rob Reiner
did not get along.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Okay, he took it just or did they have a
personal bee for? Is it just a political thing?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I mean Reiner said that he was like basically a
Russian stooge, and you know, oh Trump doesn't link. It's
just a it's a thing. It's a it's a long,
long thing.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So they have a long standing bad blood between them.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, but it was just like it was like, you know,
Ryan did like Trump, Trump did like Reiner, just uh,
the whole whole thing. I mean, I can here's what
he said. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood.
Rob Reiner are tortured and struggling, but one's very talented
movie director and comedy stars passed away together with his wife,
(42:33):
reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive,
unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known
as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He
was known to have driven people crazy by his raging
obsession at President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia
reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all their
(42:54):
goals and expectations of greatness and with the Golden Age
of America upon us perhaps like never before. May Robin
Michelle rest in peace.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
There's something wrong with that guy. I mean again, we.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know, we've said it a thousand times. You and
I were not Trumpers. We're certainly more conservative than we
are liberal. We certainly applaud many of the things that
has informed, but there's something wrong with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Probably more than one thing too.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
And I'm sure, like, like we've all met, he's a narcissist, right,
I mean, we've all met guys like this that that
will We have some very close to you that will
take any sort of personal crisis and flip it into
an opportunity for them.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
To say about Silas Moody. No, no, no, I did
no no, not that not.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
No, no, no, this is a this is a remember
let me, let me let me say what I said again.
That will take any situation and focus it on themselves. Okay,
any situation focus it on themselves. In this case is
this would be a female person.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, yeah, So we all know people like this, you know,
they have this narcissism complex.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
And I'm sure what Trump.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I'm sure he sat down and said to himself or
someone said to him, Hey, you know, Rob Reiner was
sadly murdered. Gruesome event. There was bad blood between you two.
You know, it would be a noble effort on your
part is to send out.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Whatever it is. He doesn't use Twitter, I don't think.
I think he uses something else.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Social and and you know, sit down and just you know,
two sentences, mister president, and just express your condolences. It
would be the big thing to do, would be the
noble thing to do. And so Trump goes, I'll do it,
and and so it starts out that way, right.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Sentences, I mean last night in.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Hollywood, Rob Reiner. And then that's rowing off the rails.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Right, so he couldn't do it right because as he
sat there, he couldn't do it, as he sat there, Lord,
under the instruction of his you know, press secretary or
personal handler to do the quote unquote right thing, right,
he couldn't do it because his narcissism overwhelmed him and
he had to use the opportunity to both be rate
a dead man and elevate his you know, his view
(45:24):
of of how his administration is doing.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
And that I can't see Reagan sending a tweet like that,
although Reagan wouldn't know what a tweet was, so that's
in his defense.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
He can't right, you know, But buddy, here's the issue, right,
all of us want Abraham Lincoln back, right, I mean,
that's what we want. So when you when so when
when you look at this and and I'm sure that this.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Caused, you know, just incredible uproar.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
And so when you look at that, you and someone
is uproaring about it, he said, well, you know what
son of a gun we got, you know, something of
a narcissist and potentially a lunatic with respect to this
aspect of his personality in the Oval office. You would
you rather have how about abraha, I'm Lincoln. Oh yeah,
Like we can all agree with Abraham Lincoln was available, upright,
he's not available because he is dead. But also we
(46:08):
do not applaud moral, upright people anymore. Right, Like if
Abraham lincol would never get elected today he was a
you know, a Christian, you know, god fearing, Bible believing person.
And again I'm not necessarily advocating for that. You and
I are both Christians. You and I are both God fearing.
(46:29):
You and I are both Bible believing. Okay, so we
fall into that category. But I'm not even advocating for that.
I'm just saying that if a person who has a
worldview that allows them to become the Abraham Lincoln of
history were to become engaged in politics.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Today, they'd be out on a rail.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
They would never get a vote because people say, well,
you're a radical, you know, religious whack job and a
fascist and a racist and homophobe, and you can't run
for office, and so okay, so we are where we are,
and at the top of your ticket you as a
result of that, as a result of where America has
gone with this view of what makes a person eligible
(47:09):
for the presidency.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
You get Kamala Harris, Donald Trump. That's what you get.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
So, America, if you are upset that the person currently
sitting in the Oval Office sent out this tweety truth
socially thing, you have no one to blame about yourself,
because the people who wouldn't have sent this, the people
who would have said, you know what, Rob Ryner and
I had our differences, but this is no whay to go.
This is a horrible, reprehensible act. You know, Milani and
(47:36):
I are you know, heartbroken over this event. Our thoughts
and prayers to the Rhiner family.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
The person who would have wrote that you wouldn't have elected.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Okay, so it is your fault, America that we have
these tweets or whatever they are going out.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, I mean sometimes it's good to just take a
step back and say, hmm, oh, it's real good. I
do it.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
I try to do it quite often actually, because you know,
for an other reason, to maintain my own sanity, because
I mean, you know, we have I mean, here we
are handed the United States of America. Yeah, and the
greatness of this country when it was turned over to
us by our grandparents, the greatest generation.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
That you know, one world War two. And this is
what we've done with it.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
It's ruined. Well, you know what Brad will have to
save for next week. Great Christmas, Merry Christmas, very very Christmas.
Good episode. Next week, we'll talk about renaming the Kennedy
Center after President Trump.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
What yeah, why, why? Why is that being proposed?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
It has happened. The board of the Kennedy Center has
renamed it the Trump Kennedy Center. Of course, Rob Bryder
did not vote in that.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
No, no, I'm my my guest is Rob Reiner would
not have voted for that. There it is why we
gotta go, you gotta go, We gotta go America.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think I literally just blew your mind.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
You you've certainly come close now you you've certainly given
me something to look at after we wrap up the
recording of this very fine program. You know again, Merry Christmas, everybody.
You got murderer brown murder at the Reiner household, murder
potentially by Jay Simpson, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
It's all murder, all the time.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
The Christmas episode here on uh, on this program, and
and we will not normally I would say here that
we're going to do this all again next week because
normally we you know, we're covering topics that that should
be covered. But in this case, we we didn't do
a great job of giving you a Christmas episode. We
will do better with a New Year's episode when we
(49:50):
are back next week. Right here on IP frequently, Oh
ho ho.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
This has been IP frequently, once again clearing a forest
of lies with the machete of truth.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
You're welcome.
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