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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey there, so glad that you're joining me today on Priscilla.
And this is the Chat with Priscilla. It's where we
sit down and we chat about things that hopefully will
be a blessing to your life.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Today. I'm excited because I get to.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Introduce you to a couple that I have known for
about two decades now. They have made an imprint not
only on me personally and the lives of the people
who are around them personally, but they have made an
imprint on the entire world. I'm talking about Grammy Award
winning gospel artist Kirk Franklin.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And his wife Tammy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're gonna have a great conversation today, so stay tuned.
(00:54):
Hey there, I'm so glad that you're here. We're having
a great conversation. We've actually already been having this conversation
with this two folks.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They already over here laughing.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
They're already ready for the conversation because they enjoy each
other and we're enjoying.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Them, aren't we We're having a great time.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Listen, this is part one, so if I mean part two,
So if you already, if you're joining us right now,
then you need to go back make sure that you've
listened to part one and watch part one because we've
already had a great time talking with each other about
being married, about life, about love, about lessons that you've
learned all along the way. So just help me once
again to just thank them for joining.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Us today and being a part of our program.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay, I wrote down some questions. Okay, I'm gonna ask
you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
This question about the other person.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, and I want for me this is easy for
Is this easy for you? He knows me so well?
But are you still do you? My mom always told
me that you need you know, be I never understood this.
Really be vulnerable and open whenever you get married, Priscilla,
be opening with your spouse. But it's always nice to
maintain just a smidge of mystery.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yes, my mother told me that, did your brother tell
you that?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Have you? Has she done that? Has she been able?
Is there a little mystery of.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Tammy that just kind of keeps you kind of hanging?
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Now I know everything about my baby.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I know everything my girl.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Is that true, Tammy? Do you think he knows everything
about you?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
For the most part?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
But I mean we married when I was twenty five,
forty six now, and so I'm not the same person,
so you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I would say for the most part, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But does he make it his business to know? He does? So,
he's he seems to be.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
A very he is a very what's the word I'm
looking for. He's curious man by womanly man. You gotta
be careful saying stuff like.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
That, Tammy says, because we have a joke.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, I tell him that he's mixed with girls.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, because he's an artist and so you know, it's
a very emotional. He's a very intrinsic person. He's a
very deep thinker. And are you that way in your
relationship with her?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Do you want to get in crazy?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Asking her question?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Yeah, she said, let me alone. But I always want
to know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
He wants to know. And then sometimes he's overly protective, like.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I mean, that's why being here in Nashville, I said, baby,
you don't have to run in my rescue every little
like if I if I hit my toe.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Baby, Okay, everything, okay, you're good?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I mean it's like you're like, yes, my dad was fine,
I am good. Yes, Well we think you should appreciate that,
and I do.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Now, I gotta tell you, Jerry is actually not not
an artsy person, and he's not a very he is
a very internal person.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But for other reasons, he's attentive like you are, Like
he cares, he cares about the.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Details, and guys like you can get overly protective.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You can get overly protected.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm just saying, because she's a woman who needs a
little freedom in a life, a little movement in life.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So how do you balance that? Like, how do you
balance that? Then?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Tammy with appreciating his attentiveness, but at the same time saying, Babe,
I actually need you to just let me.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I'm I'm grown.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean, I'm I'm I try, I hope I do.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Anyway, I try to let him know how much I
appreciate him. I mean, I mean, my husband can get
up at four six in the morning to be leaving
to go out of town. And I mean just the
other morning when he was leaving, I r or raised
up and I said, Babe, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And he was like for what, And I said, doing
what you're doing right now, you know. And so I
try to let him know. Ah, you know, whether I
send him a text or whatever that I appreciate you,
thank you. I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
For us, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
But at the same time, there are times where I'll
have to say, Babe, I'm okay. I promise you know,
cause sometimes my husband can make me feel like I'm
in a little bit of a bubble.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean, I just it was maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Uh huh, where he's I was gonna say aloud, but
I'll change my my wording to he's now okay with
me driving at night like before at eight o'clock, unless
I was with someone, I don't.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Want to happen. I just want to make sure she's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So you number one house after eight o'clock.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
He wanted me, not not not in a protective he
didn't trust me.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was just so protective you.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Know of me that he's like, he's like, craziness happens, Yeah,
goes down, so like.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I mean, but not like you know, you know you
can't go.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, that wasn't like that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean, but you.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Know, my bone of what I was able to, you know,
say what I needed to say. It wasn't that. But
our children, you know, when our kids, when our kids
started driving and became of age, and they were they
were out at night, and I was like, hold up, yeah, yeah,
our can't our kids are driving? Child?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
You know no, it was just what was it?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Why didn't you want her?
Speaker 6 (05:51):
She's a little bitty woman.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
She is a small woman, ninety bitty itty woman, and
you know, I just don't want anything to happen to
it because she's so itty bitty, and I didn't want
anything to happen to him.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I'm small, but I'm mighty.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
She is mighty.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Tammy's got a little fire and okay, she got a
little fire.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
A lot of fire.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So I'm gonna ask you guys these questions, and I
want you to just give the response that you think
applies to the other one. Okay, what is the.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Other's favorite simple pleasure?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Getting her feet rubbed?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Is that it? You know everything? I know everything?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And do you do the foot rubbing?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Send her off to get him asage?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
He he, Oh my goodness, he's amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Why and you know what if my music career ever suffers,
I'm opening up a footstore.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You know what he does. It's so cute and I
fall for it every time he's like, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And I'm like, what, it's your feet saying that they
and all.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm like a little puppy.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yes, yes, yes, he does it very well. He's his
simple pleasure. He just likes to be watching movies.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That'd be like like not in the theater, at home,
at home, at home.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But you guys are many of us in he will.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I mean, well, I think one of our records was
going to see a movie at a theater.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We saw four movies in a row.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, like yeah, that's y'all's thing.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
He loves that, and you guys do that. You have
a traditional after Thanksgiving, Christmas dinner.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Christmas dinner and Thanksgiving Day, we go you find what's out,
and you can.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Find what's out, and we take everybody, uh huh, whole crew,
the whole crew, and the whole crew means the whole
maybe thirty forty people.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, it'll be like thirty forty of them that go out.
That's good.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, What does your spouse do? What is that they
do that makes you go?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
What? Like they do it regularly?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
You just kind of go, what Tammy can fall without
anything being in.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Tammy can fall going up the stairs. Really, now, this
is crazy. Tammy was a cheerleader.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
She was the varsity captain of a cheerleading school. Cammy,
Cammy could dance, She's a great dancer. But my baby
is clumsy. Cam will running, Cammy will running to stuff
that's not even.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
There, it's not there.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Have you always been clumsy?
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, I don't know how it happens.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think, I'm so why he don't want you going out?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
But I don't know how this happened.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think because I'm so I'm so low to the ground.
I can be walking past the door and it will
yank my my belt loop where I'm like whoa, and
I'm stuck, and I'm like, how does that happen?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
She could be walking on carpet, yeah, and and I
hear she's on the floor of the carpet.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like this.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
And sometimes she'll lay there for the cause she's a bass.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You just lay there.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
And she gets up and I'm looking at like, so
do you do you immediately sympathize or do you I
laugh down wha. Well, if she's not screaming or anything,
but if she just lays them.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Like yeah, he checks he checks on me first.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You keep talking about how small y'all are.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
How tall are you?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Tammy? No, no heels? How tall are you?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Y'all gonna say, I put my half on there. Yes,
so four eleven and a half.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Kurt and I'm six one.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'm tall, are you?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
I'm five five by five.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So it's like the Lord made y'all for each other,
Like you just made for each other.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
But why you got to do that?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
When people meet us.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Like for the first time, Oh my gosh'all are so cute,
Like y'all, yeah, we're grown people.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You're like, I'm almost fifty years old.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, stop talking to me like this.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Yes, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Get that a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But you know what, sometimes though, when y'all aren't like
dressed up and stuff, like I remember one time we
were at your house for some holiday. I don't know
our families would celebrate holidays a lot years ago, mostly
more than now, But I remember we were at your
house and girl, you had on this was fourth of July,
and you had on shorts, you had on a tank top,
and you had your hair and two pigtails.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah you had so you looked like you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Were twelve years so y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Sometimes when you're going through the airports and stuff or
doing life regular life, and y'all have them on your
little whatever jim shorts or whatever, you really kind of
look like that I.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Have to dress up to be able to ride the rids.
Oh my god, sometimes they don't.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, it's his turn. The question was what does he do? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Okay, what does he do?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That just makes you go what he asked me crazy
questions all day long and he knows that they're kind
of stupid. So like they're like, there could be a
little kid, a toddler walking around and he'll say, baby,
has anyone had.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
A baby that big? What has anyone had a baby
that big?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm like, you mean like giving birth to it?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Because that's like a toddler, like a two year old
walking around and he'll.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Just he'll say, babe, you think anybody's ever had a
baby that big? That's just an example of the foolery.
And the thing is you'll to know that his behavior
on this sofa, oh this is he's being calm. I'm come.
I'm actually disappointed because I thought you were gonna come
out here and really give him kirk so they can
see the real cur like you're being kind of calm, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Well, most of them don't know me, and I don't
want to scare them.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
You don't want to scare the people.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, No, you know it's sad when you know it's sad, when.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
You know it's sad when you're when you're on the
way to your kids school and the kids are saying, now, daddy, behave, behave.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's true, Kurt, you're kind of First of all, you
do have a bad case of a d D.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're all over the place and so hyperactive, and you
know that works for you in the concert, that's what
you need. You be bouncing all over the place.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
And when I'm home, I bounce all.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I love having having a day when when he's watching
his movies and he's like, yeah, that's why I don't
say nothing when he wants to watch the movie, He's like,
he can watch sometimes audition.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Do you know how sometimes parents will give their kid
a little bend and drill so.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
That the kid.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's that's not quite as dragon. Well, okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
What is your spouse afraid of or insecure about?
Speaker 6 (12:45):
She is afraid of not having a right. I'm good.
I'm afraid of not having lights on at night.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You need to do you need to tell them, you know,
it's not like all the lights.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Okay, I just got I just need a night light.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
No, no, not like a little bit in light by
the bed. No, I come on from studio to like
a concert that's.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Going on in my.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, that's me not being good with turning the lights out. Okay,
but but why do you need why do you need light?
You know, it hasn't been that way your whole life.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It has.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's just something that's carried over.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And then he travels a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah too, and so it's just like a it's almost
like having a little comfort blanket.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's just so at night, when you guys are going
to sleep, you need a light on in the room. No.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Now, if he's at home, I'm good, Okay, I'm totally fine.
It's more so when I'm by myself.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah. And I mean, but he's so evil sometimes close
the door and cut off, and I'm like, you know,
I don't light.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I got you. Well, let me just say this though.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That was a good answer, except I was thinking more
about her internal insecurity, because see, women can look at
other women can look at a package like this, where
she's got a good life, she has is taken care of,
she has a husband who cares about whether or not
she's stubbed her toe.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
She can't drive after eight.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And you know what, at forty six years old, she's
looking mighty mighty good. She is so a woman. We
have a tendency to look at other women and think.
She's never intimidated by anything. She's never insecure. She doesn't
have any problems, or any fears or any worry. So
I'm wondering, when you think about your wife, what are
internal insecurities that you do see that despite all the
beauty and the bounty that God has given her, which
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all of us do, we have insecurities.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
It was very shocking to me to discover that she
didn't realize how beautiful she was. And it was very
shocking for me to discover she didn't know how brilliant
she was. And it was very shocking for me to
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know that she's always wanting to know if because she
kills it as a mom, she kills it as a wife,
but she's always wanting to know. And so those things
were very shocking to me. That she did not have
this super because again, when you look at Tammy, you think,
you know, how could somebody like that not know? You know,
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like I asked her earlier again, I asked her one
of those crazy questions. And today and today at the hotel,
I said, I said, I said, girl, when did you
first realize you were fine? And she started laughing, and
you know, like it's it's amazing to know that what
I see she does. So I'm always telling her, I mean,
(15:41):
you're so I mean, I'm always hitting her.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
It's so beautiful, You're so pretty.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
And then she's very smart, like I want her to
start overseeing some things that I have.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Some visions that I have in the future business. Oh,
she's a beast.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
She's a beast at and so it was very shocking
to know and discuss her that she didn't internally possess
what I could externally see.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Okay, Kirk, what is your assessment of why that is
not for Tammy but women in general when you look
at the culture the way it is, question, why do
you think that we struggle so hard to really appreciate
the gifts, the talents, the beauty that the Lord has
given to each of us individually and uniquely. Why is
it so hard for us to see what God sees
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or what our spouse might see in us?
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Because the culture, society, and even the dog gone church
we have sucked, and their honoring and the reverence of
women we'll suck. I mean through millennia, through millennia, you know,
I mean way before the Reformation, you know. We we've
always had this systematic approach of mentally and emotionally demising
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women so that they have never been able to see
themselves through the lens that God has seen us is equal.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
And so that is very unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
That has almost been a systemic ideology, sometimes even a
systemic doctrine that has destroyed the power, the influence, and
silence many of the opportunities that.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
The world has needed to advance.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
There was inside of a woman to be able to speak,
to be able to give direction life an invasion, Like
every ministry company that I've ever had hasn't been ranged
by women.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Like I am a fan of women.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Because of the knowledge and how they execute that knowledge
has always been something that I've always gleaned from. Now
some say that's because you'd have a mom, whatever the
case is, But it doesn't take away from that truth
that is still a factual truth that we have sucked.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
In doing a job of.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Empowering women to be able to be what they were
godly ordained to have. And I'm always doing it with
my daughter. Like my daughters, I'm always wanting them to
go do interns and run this and do that and
and empowered this. I don't want them against nothing wrong
with being a wife and a mom, but I want
them to know that whatever they want to do, Daddy
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will bust this butt to make sure it happens. You
want to lead, you want to own, you want to
open up, whatever you want to do, you want to
be an entrepreneur, whatever it is, I will give you
all the tools you need. Because I'm a fan, and
they're very passionate and disappointed at how we have instilled
at our young women, young African American women, what power
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and influence and true beauty?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is that's right? That's right? Yeah, that's good. Thank you, Tammy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Is that good? It's very good, very very good, Tammy.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yet what is his insecurity?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Sure ain't long enough? Pick one, pick one?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Who you know it? It always amazes me.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I think that God has gifted my husband to write
some of the most amazing songs that bring about healing
and deliverance. And I remember when he was working on
the song Imagine Me, which is blessed me tremendously and
you know so many other people, and he had written
like the first he was on a computer.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
He had written like the very first.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Lines and you know, imagine me being free, trusting you totally.
And you know, what's what's the line when I when
I see imagine me loving when I see when I
look in the mirror, and I remember reading those words
and literally tears were welling up in my eyes.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
That's when I first saw it. That's when I first
saw that in her.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I was like, to me, those words were speaking maybe
what my soul long to say but didn't know how
to say.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And I'm looking at him and.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I remember saying to him, you don't get it, and
I guess you're not supposed to, because he was like,
is it corny? Is it corny to imagine yourself being better?
Is it?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And I mean and he was like, he's been pretty
much like that our whole marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
What do you think I mean? And you know, I
think that.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
You know, people can see my We'll see my husband
and they think, oh, he's so cocky.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He so this, he's so self.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Assured, and you know, he really fears disappointing God, disappointing
his family and and and when I say fear, he
wants to get it right because he didn't see it
done right yp And so you know, he works hard.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And sometimes it may seem over, you know, over over
the top.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I do call him baby?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Why you call him baby Jesus?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Because you know, I like, Okay, there are things that
that he does that are exciting and you know, so
I'm like, babe, are you so excited about this?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm just honored at the lord ship. And I'm like,
give me a real h human answer, you know, because
I'm like, wow, this is so excite. You know.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is he being so careful to try to deflect glory away.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
From himself and onto get that's a my. At our home,
we don't have not an award out. Yeah, my husband
they are in a closet. Yeah, And it's because he
doesn't want to walk past any of it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And I mean, you know, I'm like, can we put
like the the grammy that he got for imagine me?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Cause You're like, can I please decorate my house with
a couple couple gramm?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
And uh, well, and for me, Imagine Me was such
a special song, even for myself, that I thought, well,
let's you know, maybe he'll let me put the imagine
Me grammy out. Nope, they're all in a closet, probably
rusting away, you know. And but I have to admire
him about that too, because he's like, I don't wanna
walk past it.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And you know, like I have to live up to
that or are.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So Yeah, I would say that that is that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
You think.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And I think what I appreciate about both of you
is that you've made it your business. I mean, I
think if there's there's many things we can pull out
of this conversation we're having with them, but one of
them is that each of you has made it your
business to build the other one up. That you've discovered
what the insecurity is and instead of sort of letting
it annoy you, you've decided that it is my responsibility
(22:31):
and my privilege to pour into that insecurity instead of
be annoyed at it or irritate at it about it.
That the Lord has given me the opportunity. Yeah, you
are that's awesome?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You are okay? So sweet or salty?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Both?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Does he like to eat in general? Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I thought you meant his attitude? So his attitude is
both sweet and softy.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
About the softy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Part, Oh, my husband can if you wrong me, if
you wrong our children, if you wrong him, it takes
them a while to get over it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh does it really?
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm I have forgiven?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Why don't I'm good?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Why don't you can't forget? Is it hard for you
to let go? Kirk?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Well, I'm a fighter?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Is I'm very quick to I'm very quick to pop
off And I have to confess that all the time
because I am and and I'm not always proud of it,
you know, and I get very.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
It seems like I like to fight. I like to argue,
you know.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
That's why I started taking apologetics because I love being
in the barbershop and being able to give a good
answer for the faith.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
You know, they start talking about Christianity ain't real. It's like,
oh what I say, Jesus say real? Path what you know?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
And I'm serious, I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I was a perfect I was a perfect student for
apologetic because now it gives me at academic argument.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
For my faith. Oh but did you know this?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
So I enjoy that. But if you mess with my
woman or my babies, he will cut you. I'll be
on you. I'll be on you like a spider monkey.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But swim Bening is a teddy bear. I mean, oh, my,
my girls know who to come to for.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And you keep mentioning your kids. We don't know about
your kids. Can you tell us? Can you tell us?
Just line them up for us.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
We have a carry On who is goshly twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Now, yeah, girl is carry On twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Carry On is twenty eight twenty nine and carry on
my bonus, my bonus son.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And then we have Carrington, who's twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
So can you imagine when we were like dating, I'm like,
what's your son's name?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know? Because Carrieton and Carrion, Yeah, and they're both.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Year apart.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Birthdays are a week apart. And so then we have
Kennedy who's nineteen.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
She's a baby too.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And Kennedy's four ten. She's our little tiny I call
him my little chihuahuah. She's a little feisty little she
is feisty, yes, she is. She's a little feisty and
she's in her sophomore year at school at in college.
And then we have our baby boy who's the last
one at home, Keziah, and he's sixteen sixteen. And Carrington
Carrington just got married, just got married three weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And he walked her down the aisle as well as officiated.
It was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It was a beautiful way. And you look good at
your dress.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Girls, you girl.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I worked so hard.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
For the wed yea, y'all know.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Let me tell y'all, let me tell y'all the cutest
he did a you know how you get you do
the parting gift for the guest, Well, my husband decided
he wants the parting gift to be from himself.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It was o cute.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
The parting gift was from him.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
The parting gift he gets on he said, make sure
y'all get the gets on the microphone at the reception.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Make sure you get the gift. It is from me, y'all.
This gift was it was like bags in the back, sterical,
beautifully wrapped, all beautiful. But when I wasn't there, I
was so mad. I was out of to So you
were in India that's awesome. It wasn't praised the Lord,
but I was so missing this wedding weddy. Okay, so
(26:27):
it's all beautifully wrapped. You open up the bag. It
is a bottle of water about like this, two packs
of kool Aid and then a blue like you know,
like those solo type cups. The water bottle. We had
this really cute rapper had said, broke daddy, broke daddy.
(26:47):
There was a note inside the bag that said, what
I know, the wedding was beautiful and all.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Of this, but now I'm broke.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Give me some money. I take fool stamps, Walmart and
gift guon. He said. Those strings you saw were not
for free. And because Kirk is a jokester, as you
all can see it, everybody loved it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Because it's so him. I mean, that's a idea.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It was so cute. It was a door.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
People are posting it online.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I mean, but it was.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It was cute, all in fun, but he was kind
of sort of know. The signature was seriously sincerely serious,
the broke daddy, broke daddy. It was so cute. It's okay, okay,
so here we go quick answers talking about food okay,
food sweet, salty sweet.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Sweet sweeter salty sweet sweet. So both of you like sweets?
Can I tell you something this interview we're supposed to
be over now, but let me tell you something. Yeah,
they actually are pretty healthy people.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
They'll work out, they like to eat eat right, you know,
just because they have to keep up with a very
demanding lifestyle. So they have to be healthy to do that.
All the time zone changes and all that, with all
the traveling. But they have a cheat day. It's like
one day a week, will they'll eat? Is it one
day a well, mine's one day a week. His is
one day probably every every two months.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, is it just every two hours?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Okay, Well that must be the reason for what I'm
about to tell y'all. We were somewhere having Sunday brunch,
my family and I and Kirk happened to come there
for Sunday brunch that same day. This has caught him
on a cheat day.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Girl, it was a cheap day.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Can't hang with.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Him on a check No. He walked in there, and
I kid you not. It was a brunch.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So they're serving some dinner stuff and some breakfast stuff.
This man, we were talking so we didn't really notice
it until afterwards that he had ordered two servings of pancakes,
stacks of pancakes.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
He ate both of them. Then he had waffles. Did
you have one waffle?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Er two waffles to Belgium, I'm talking about big waffles.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
He ate both of the waffles. And then what else
did you was that it an omelet? An omelet? You
had an omelet? Anything else?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
No, So the whole time we're talking, so we didn't
really really realize.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So we got up that this man had eaten the
equivalent of eighteen doughnuts.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
He's an extreme personality.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's either all or nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
All nothing. So when he's when he's eating healthy, it
might as well be grass. It's it's just literally that boring.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And then when but when he decides to cheat, I
can't hang with him.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'm like, babe, yeah, yeah, he can go. Yes. Next question,
chocolate or vanilla?
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Chocolate?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'm horrifl.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know what, that's a hard question. Our son is
chalk like chocolate.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Anything sweet, anything sweet?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So you wouldn't pick between chocolate and vanilla both?
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Just give me both.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Swirl I'm vanilla though vanilla?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, okay, all right, beach or mountains for a vacation,
for example.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Me, Yeah, which one?
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Which one do you think?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
His dream is to be in the mountains for like Christmas,
like with snow and all that.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So I'm gonna go with mountains since that's what he
was like, okay to do She's beach.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I'm beach girl.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Would you prefer to live in the city.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Would he prefer to live in the city or live
like in the quiet country city city?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Boy?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Right there, I think quiet country now that I get older.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
For yourself, you would want to be in the country. Really,
you didn't know that, Tim, Yeah, because it's always.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Been the city, like that's been our Like He's like,
when we get with all these kids, we're gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
We're gonna get a condo in the city and we
can walk everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And so okay, so you've changed on me.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Riding ponies and.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
As opponed to horses.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Instead of the big horses. I start with the ponies.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Did we answer for for Tammy?
Speaker 6 (30:59):
You think's country?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
She's country. I think you're a country girl.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But I have to have city amenities.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It needs to be somewhere close.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah, Wi Fi yes, city, amenity, drama.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Or comedy, personality, sitcoms, movies.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Oh yeah, I thought you mean it's personality.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You're like both, Yeah, yeah, we both like Yeah, is
there anything if you could pick one piece of advice
for a couple that wants to be in love and
in like twenty years down the road, for the couple
that just got married a year ago and they need
to know what they could do to keep the fire
(31:46):
burning for twenty years. What would that one piece of
advice be? In thirty seconds, one from you and one
from you, Tammy.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
I would say to the woman, without performing, without that
being yourself, make him feel like he can fly, make
him feel like he's a superhero and he'll always come
save your day.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
That's awesome. That's awesome right there.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, my camera, I have y'all seen those Instagram It
was just going around with Kermit.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yes, will say something and then he'll go.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
With the teeth.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's what that reminded me of.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Go ahead him thirty seconds, Okay, I would say. The
keyword that you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Just said was like like and a lot of times
we marry because we you know, we love them, but
we don't necessarily really know the person to really like them,
and then you know, the like is it's continuing. I mean,
like I said earlier, I'm not the same person that
I was at twenty five that I'm at forty six.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And you grow and you change.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Together because you're gonna be different, You're you're gonna change,
and the key is to change together.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
A lot of people you end up hearing you know,
we just screw out of love. And yeah, they probably
did change, but you know, we've made it our.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Business to change together. And when we sit and we
talk about, you know, hey, I'm not I like to renegotiate.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
That's my word I like to use.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I like to renegotiate this because I'm a different person
now and I like that.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yeah, so now now we renegotiating. Now she she can't
come home at nine, You guys,
Hey there, so glad that you're joining me today on Priscilla.
And this is the Chat with Priscilla. It's where we
sit down and we chat about things that hopefully will
be a blessing to your life.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Today. I'm excited because I get to.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Introduce you to a couple that I have known for
about two decades now. They have made an imprint not
only on me personally and the lives of the people
who are around them personally, but they have made an
imprint on the entire world. I'm talking about Grammy Award
winning gospel artist Kirk Franklin.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And his wife Tammy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're gonna have a great conversation today, so stay tuned.
(00:54):
Hey there, I'm so glad that you're here. We're having
a great conversation. We've actually already been having this conversation
with this two folks.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They already over here laughing.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
They're already ready for the conversation because they enjoy each
other and we're enjoying.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Them, aren't we We're having a great time.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Listen, this is part one, so if I mean part two,
So if you already, if you're joining us right now,
then you need to go back make sure that you've
listened to part one and watch part one because we've
already had a great time talking with each other about
being married, about life, about love, about lessons that you've
learned all along the way. So just help me once
again to just thank them for joining.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Us today and being a part of our program.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay, I wrote down some questions. Okay, I'm gonna ask
you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
This question about the other person.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, and I want for me this is easy for
Is this easy for you? He knows me so well?
But are you still do you? My mom always told
me that you need you know, be I never understood this.
Really be vulnerable and open whenever you get married, Priscilla,
be opening with your spouse. But it's always nice to
maintain just a smidge of mystery.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yes, my mother told me that, did your brother tell
you that?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Have you? Has she done that? Has she been able?
Is there a little mystery of.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Tammy that just kind of keeps you kind of hanging?
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Now I know everything about my baby.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I know everything my girl.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Is that true, Tammy? Do you think he knows everything
about you?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
For the most part?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
But I mean we married when I was twenty five,
forty six now, and so I'm not the same person,
so you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I would say for the most part, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But does he make it his business to know? He does? So,
he's he seems to be.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
A very he is a very what's the word I'm
looking for. He's curious man by womanly man. You gotta
be careful saying stuff like.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
That, Tammy says, because we have a joke.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, I tell him that he's mixed with girls.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, because he's an artist and so you know, it's
a very emotional. He's a very intrinsic person. He's a
very deep thinker. And are you that way in your
relationship with her?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Do you want to get in crazy?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Asking her question?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Yeah, she said, let me alone. But I always want
to know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
He wants to know. And then sometimes he's overly protective, like.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I mean, that's why being here in Nashville, I said, baby,
you don't have to run in my rescue every little
like if I if I hit my toe.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Baby, Okay, everything, okay, you're good?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I mean it's like you're like, yes, my dad was fine,
I am good. Yes, Well we think you should appreciate that,
and I do.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Now, I gotta tell you, Jerry is actually not not
an artsy person, and he's not a very he is
a very internal person.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But for other reasons, he's attentive like you are, Like
he cares, he cares about the.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Details, and guys like you can get overly protective.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You can get overly protected.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm just saying, because she's a woman who needs a
little freedom in a life, a little movement in life.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So how do you balance that? Like, how do you
balance that? Then?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Tammy with appreciating his attentiveness, but at the same time saying, Babe,
I actually need you to just let me.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I'm I'm grown.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean, I'm I'm I try, I hope I do.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Anyway, I try to let him know how much I
appreciate him. I mean, I mean, my husband can get
up at four six in the morning to be leaving
to go out of town. And I mean just the
other morning when he was leaving, I r or raised
up and I said, Babe, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And he was like for what, And I said, doing
what you're doing right now, you know. And so I
try to let him know. Ah, you know, whether I
send him a text or whatever that I appreciate you,
thank you. I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
For us, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
But at the same time, there are times where I'll
have to say, Babe, I'm okay. I promise you know,
cause sometimes my husband can make me feel like I'm
in a little bit of a bubble.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean, I just it was maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Uh huh, where he's I was gonna say aloud, but
I'll change my my wording to he's now okay with
me driving at night like before at eight o'clock, unless
I was with someone, I don't.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Want to happen. I just want to make sure she's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So you number one house after eight o'clock.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
He wanted me, not not not in a protective he
didn't trust me.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was just so protective you.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Know of me that he's like, he's like, craziness happens, Yeah,
goes down, so like.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I mean, but not like you know, you know you
can't go.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, that wasn't like that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean, but you.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Know, my bone of what I was able to, you know,
say what I needed to say. It wasn't that. But
our children, you know, when our kids, when our kids
started driving and became of age, and they were they
were out at night, and I was like, hold up, yeah, yeah,
our can't our kids are driving? Child?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
You know no, it was just what was it?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Why didn't you want her?
Speaker 6 (05:51):
She's a little bitty woman.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
She is a small woman, ninety bitty itty woman, and
you know, I just don't want anything to happen to
it because she's so itty bitty, and I didn't want
anything to happen to him.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I'm small, but I'm mighty.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
She is mighty.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Tammy's got a little fire and okay, she got a
little fire.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
A lot of fire.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So I'm gonna ask you guys these questions, and I
want you to just give the response that you think
applies to the other one. Okay, what is the.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Other's favorite simple pleasure?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Getting her feet rubbed?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Is that it? You know everything? I know everything?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And do you do the foot rubbing?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Send her off to get him asage?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
He he, Oh my goodness, he's amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Why and you know what if my music career ever suffers,
I'm opening up a footstore.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You know what he does. It's so cute and I
fall for it every time he's like, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And I'm like, what, it's your feet saying that they
and all.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm like a little puppy.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yes, yes, yes, he does it very well. He's his
simple pleasure. He just likes to be watching movies.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That'd be like like not in the theater, at home,
at home, at home.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But you guys are many of us in he will.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I mean, well, I think one of our records was
going to see a movie at a theater.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We saw four movies in a row.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, like yeah, that's y'all's thing.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
He loves that, and you guys do that. You have
a traditional after Thanksgiving, Christmas dinner.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Christmas dinner and Thanksgiving Day, we go you find what's out,
and you can.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Find what's out, and we take everybody, uh huh, whole crew,
the whole crew, and the whole crew means the whole
maybe thirty forty people.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, it'll be like thirty forty of them that go out.
That's good.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, What does your spouse do? What is that they
do that makes you go?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
What? Like they do it regularly?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
You just kind of go, what Tammy can fall without
anything being in.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Tammy can fall going up the stairs. Really, now, this
is crazy. Tammy was a cheerleader.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
She was the varsity captain of a cheerleading school. Cammy,
Cammy could dance, She's a great dancer. But my baby
is clumsy. Cam will running, Cammy will running to stuff
that's not even.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
There, it's not there.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Have you always been clumsy?
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, I don't know how it happens.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think, I'm so why he don't want you going out?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
But I don't know how this happened.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think because I'm so I'm so low to the ground.
I can be walking past the door and it will
yank my my belt loop where I'm like whoa, and
I'm stuck, and I'm like, how does that happen?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
She could be walking on carpet, yeah, and and I
hear she's on the floor of the carpet.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like this.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
And sometimes she'll lay there for the cause she's a bass.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You just lay there.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
And she gets up and I'm looking at like, so
do you do you immediately sympathize or do you I
laugh down wha. Well, if she's not screaming or anything,
but if she just lays them.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Like yeah, he checks he checks on me first.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You keep talking about how small y'all are.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
How tall are you?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Tammy? No, no heels? How tall are you?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Y'all gonna say, I put my half on there. Yes,
so four eleven and a half.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Kurt and I'm six one.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'm tall, are you?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
I'm five five by five.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So it's like the Lord made y'all for each other,
Like you just made for each other.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
But why you got to do that?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
When people meet us.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Like for the first time, Oh my gosh'all are so cute,
Like y'all, yeah, we're grown people.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You're like, I'm almost fifty years old.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, stop talking to me like this.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Yes, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Get that a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But you know what, sometimes though, when y'all aren't like
dressed up and stuff, like I remember one time we
were at your house for some holiday. I don't know
our families would celebrate holidays a lot years ago, mostly
more than now, But I remember we were at your
house and girl, you had on this was fourth of July,
and you had on shorts, you had on a tank top,
and you had your hair and two pigtails.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah you had so you looked like you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Were twelve years so y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Sometimes when you're going through the airports and stuff or
doing life regular life, and y'all have them on your
little whatever jim shorts or whatever, you really kind of
look like that I.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Have to dress up to be able to ride the rids.
Oh my god, sometimes they don't.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, it's his turn. The question was what does he do? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Okay, what does he do?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That just makes you go what he asked me crazy
questions all day long and he knows that they're kind
of stupid. So like they're like, there could be a
little kid, a toddler walking around and he'll say, baby,
has anyone had.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
A baby that big? What has anyone had a baby
that big?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm like, you mean like giving birth to it?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Because that's like a toddler, like a two year old
walking around and he'll.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Just he'll say, babe, you think anybody's ever had a
baby that big? That's just an example of the foolery.
And the thing is you'll to know that his behavior
on this sofa, oh this is he's being calm. I'm come.
I'm actually disappointed because I thought you were gonna come
out here and really give him kirk so they can
see the real cur like you're being kind of calm, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Well, most of them don't know me, and I don't
want to scare them.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
You don't want to scare the people.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, No, you know it's sad when you know it's sad, when.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
You know it's sad when you're when you're on the
way to your kids school and the kids are saying, now, daddy, behave, behave.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's true, Kurt, you're kind of First of all, you
do have a bad case of a d D.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're all over the place and so hyperactive, and you
know that works for you in the concert, that's what
you need. You be bouncing all over the place.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
And when I'm home, I bounce all.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I love having having a day when when he's watching
his movies and he's like, yeah, that's why I don't
say nothing when he wants to watch the movie, He's like,
he can watch sometimes audition.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Do you know how sometimes parents will give their kid
a little bend and drill so.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
That the kid.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's that's not quite as dragon. Well, okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
What is your spouse afraid of or insecure about?
Speaker 6 (12:45):
She is afraid of not having a right. I'm good.
I'm afraid of not having lights on at night.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You need to do you need to tell them, you know,
it's not like all the lights.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Okay, I just got I just need a night light.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
No, no, not like a little bit in light by
the bed. No, I come on from studio to like
a concert that's.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Going on in my.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, that's me not being good with turning the lights out. Okay,
but but why do you need why do you need light?
You know, it hasn't been that way your whole life.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It has.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's just something that's carried over.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And then he travels a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah too, and so it's just like a it's almost
like having a little comfort blanket.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's just so at night, when you guys are going
to sleep, you need a light on in the room. No.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Now, if he's at home, I'm good, Okay, I'm totally fine.
It's more so when I'm by myself.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah. And I mean, but he's so evil sometimes close
the door and cut off, and I'm like, you know,
I don't light.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I got you. Well, let me just say this though.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That was a good answer, except I was thinking more
about her internal insecurity, because see, women can look at
other women can look at a package like this, where
she's got a good life, she has is taken care of,
she has a husband who cares about whether or not
she's stubbed her toe.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
She can't drive after eight.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And you know what, at forty six years old, she's
looking mighty mighty good. She is so a woman. We
have a tendency to look at other women and think.
She's never intimidated by anything. She's never insecure. She doesn't
have any problems, or any fears or any worry. So
I'm wondering, when you think about your wife, what are
internal insecurities that you do see that despite all the
beauty and the bounty that God has given her, which
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all of us do, we have insecurities.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
It was very shocking to me to discover that she
didn't realize how beautiful she was. And it was very
shocking for me to discover she didn't know how brilliant
she was. And it was very shocking for me to
(14:57):
know that she's always wanting to know if because she
kills it as a mom, she kills it as a wife,
but she's always wanting to know. And so those things
were very shocking to me. That she did not have
this super because again, when you look at Tammy, you think,
you know, how could somebody like that not know? You know,
(15:20):
like I asked her earlier again, I asked her one
of those crazy questions. And today and today at the hotel,
I said, I said, I said, girl, when did you
first realize you were fine? And she started laughing, and
you know, like it's it's amazing to know that what
I see she does. So I'm always telling her, I mean,
(15:41):
you're so I mean, I'm always hitting her.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
It's so beautiful, You're so pretty.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
And then she's very smart, like I want her to
start overseeing some things that I have.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Some visions that I have in the future business. Oh,
she's a beast.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
She's a beast at and so it was very shocking
to know and discuss her that she didn't internally possess
what I could externally see.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Okay, Kirk, what is your assessment of why that is
not for Tammy but women in general when you look
at the culture the way it is, question, why do
you think that we struggle so hard to really appreciate
the gifts, the talents, the beauty that the Lord has
given to each of us individually and uniquely. Why is
it so hard for us to see what God sees
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or what our spouse might see in us?
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Because the culture, society, and even the dog gone church
we have sucked, and their honoring and the reverence of
women we'll suck. I mean through millennia, through millennia, you know,
I mean way before the Reformation, you know. We we've
always had this systematic approach of mentally and emotionally demising
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women so that they have never been able to see
themselves through the lens that God has seen us is equal.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
And so that is very unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
That has almost been a systemic ideology, sometimes even a
systemic doctrine that has destroyed the power, the influence, and
silence many of the opportunities that.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
The world has needed to advance.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
There was inside of a woman to be able to speak,
to be able to give direction life an invasion, Like
every ministry company that I've ever had hasn't been ranged
by women.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Like I am a fan of women.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Because of the knowledge and how they execute that knowledge
has always been something that I've always gleaned from. Now
some say that's because you'd have a mom, whatever the
case is, But it doesn't take away from that truth
that is still a factual truth that we have sucked.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
In doing a job of.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Empowering women to be able to be what they were
godly ordained to have. And I'm always doing it with
my daughter. Like my daughters, I'm always wanting them to
go do interns and run this and do that and
and empowered this. I don't want them against nothing wrong
with being a wife and a mom, but I want
them to know that whatever they want to do, Daddy
(18:16):
will bust this butt to make sure it happens. You
want to lead, you want to own, you want to
open up, whatever you want to do, you want to
be an entrepreneur, whatever it is, I will give you
all the tools you need. Because I'm a fan, and
they're very passionate and disappointed at how we have instilled
at our young women, young African American women, what power
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and influence and true beauty?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is that's right? That's right? Yeah, that's good. Thank you, Tammy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Is that good? It's very good, very very good, Tammy.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yet what is his insecurity?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Sure ain't long enough? Pick one, pick one?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Who you know it? It always amazes me.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I think that God has gifted my husband to write
some of the most amazing songs that bring about healing
and deliverance. And I remember when he was working on
the song Imagine Me, which is blessed me tremendously and
you know so many other people, and he had written
like the first he was on a computer.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
He had written like the very first.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Lines and you know, imagine me being free, trusting you totally.
And you know, what's what's the line when I when
I see imagine me loving when I see when I
look in the mirror, and I remember reading those words
and literally tears were welling up in my eyes.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
That's when I first saw it. That's when I first
saw that in her.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I was like, to me, those words were speaking maybe
what my soul long to say but didn't know how
to say.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And I'm looking at him and.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I remember saying to him, you don't get it, and
I guess you're not supposed to, because he was like,
is it corny? Is it corny to imagine yourself being better?
Is it?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And I mean and he was like, he's been pretty
much like that our whole marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
What do you think I mean? And you know, I
think that.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
You know, people can see my We'll see my husband
and they think, oh, he's so cocky.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He so this, he's so self.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Assured, and you know, he really fears disappointing God, disappointing
his family and and and when I say fear, he
wants to get it right because he didn't see it
done right yp And so you know, he works hard.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And sometimes it may seem over, you know, over over
the top.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I do call him baby?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Why you call him baby Jesus?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Because you know, I like, Okay, there are things that
that he does that are exciting and you know, so
I'm like, babe, are you so excited about this?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm just honored at the lord ship. And I'm like,
give me a real h human answer, you know, because
I'm like, wow, this is so excite. You know.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is he being so careful to try to deflect glory away.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
From himself and onto get that's a my. At our home,
we don't have not an award out. Yeah, my husband
they are in a closet. Yeah, And it's because he
doesn't want to walk past any of it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And I mean, you know, I'm like, can we put
like the the grammy that he got for imagine me?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Cause You're like, can I please decorate my house with
a couple couple gramm?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
And uh, well, and for me, Imagine Me was such
a special song, even for myself, that I thought, well,
let's you know, maybe he'll let me put the imagine
Me grammy out. Nope, they're all in a closet, probably
rusting away, you know. And but I have to admire
him about that too, because he's like, I don't wanna
walk past it.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And you know, like I have to live up to
that or are.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So Yeah, I would say that that is that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
You think.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And I think what I appreciate about both of you
is that you've made it your business. I mean, I
think if there's there's many things we can pull out
of this conversation we're having with them, but one of
them is that each of you has made it your
business to build the other one up. That you've discovered
what the insecurity is and instead of sort of letting
it annoy you, you've decided that it is my responsibility
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and my privilege to pour into that insecurity instead of
be annoyed at it or irritate at it about it.
That the Lord has given me the opportunity. Yeah, you
are that's awesome?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You are okay? So sweet or salty?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Both?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Does he like to eat in general? Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I thought you meant his attitude? So his attitude is
both sweet and softy.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
About the softy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Part, Oh, my husband can if you wrong me, if
you wrong our children, if you wrong him, it takes
them a while to get over it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh does it really?
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm I have forgiven?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Why don't I'm good?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Why don't you can't forget? Is it hard for you
to let go? Kirk?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Well, I'm a fighter?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Is I'm very quick to I'm very quick to pop
off And I have to confess that all the time
because I am and and I'm not always proud of it,
you know, and I get very.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
It seems like I like to fight. I like to argue,
you know.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
That's why I started taking apologetics because I love being
in the barbershop and being able to give a good
answer for the faith.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
You know, they start talking about Christianity ain't real. It's like,
oh what I say, Jesus say real? Path what you know?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
And I'm serious, I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I was a perfect I was a perfect student for
apologetic because now it gives me at academic argument.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
For my faith. Oh but did you know this?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
So I enjoy that. But if you mess with my
woman or my babies, he will cut you. I'll be
on you. I'll be on you like a spider monkey.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But swim Bening is a teddy bear. I mean, oh, my,
my girls know who to come to for.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And you keep mentioning your kids. We don't know about
your kids. Can you tell us? Can you tell us?
Just line them up for us.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
We have a carry On who is goshly twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Now, yeah, girl is carry On twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Carry On is twenty eight twenty nine and carry on
my bonus, my bonus son.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And then we have Carrington, who's twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
So can you imagine when we were like dating, I'm like,
what's your son's name?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know? Because Carrieton and Carrion, Yeah, and they're both.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Year apart.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Birthdays are a week apart. And so then we have
Kennedy who's nineteen.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
She's a baby too.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And Kennedy's four ten. She's our little tiny I call
him my little chihuahuah. She's a little feisty little she
is feisty, yes, she is. She's a little feisty and
she's in her sophomore year at school at in college.
And then we have our baby boy who's the last
one at home, Keziah, and he's sixteen sixteen. And Carrington
Carrington just got married, just got married three weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And he walked her down the aisle as well as officiated.
It was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It was a beautiful way. And you look good at
your dress.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Girls, you girl.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I worked so hard.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
For the wed yea, y'all know.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Let me tell y'all, let me tell y'all the cutest
he did a you know how you get you do
the parting gift for the guest, Well, my husband decided
he wants the parting gift to be from himself.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It was o cute.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
The parting gift was from him.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
The parting gift he gets on he said, make sure
y'all get the gets on the microphone at the reception.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Make sure you get the gift. It is from me, y'all.
This gift was it was like bags in the back, sterical,
beautifully wrapped, all beautiful. But when I wasn't there, I
was so mad. I was out of to So you
were in India that's awesome. It wasn't praised the Lord,
but I was so missing this wedding weddy. Okay, so
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it's all beautifully wrapped. You open up the bag. It
is a bottle of water about like this, two packs
of kool Aid and then a blue like you know,
like those solo type cups. The water bottle. We had
this really cute rapper had said, broke daddy, broke daddy.
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There was a note inside the bag that said, what
I know, the wedding was beautiful and all.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Of this, but now I'm broke.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Give me some money. I take fool stamps, Walmart and
gift guon. He said. Those strings you saw were not
for free. And because Kirk is a jokester, as you
all can see it, everybody loved it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Because it's so him. I mean, that's a idea.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It was so cute. It was a door.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
People are posting it online.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I mean, but it was.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It was cute, all in fun, but he was kind
of sort of know. The signature was seriously sincerely serious,
the broke daddy, broke daddy. It was so cute. It's okay, okay,
so here we go quick answers talking about food okay,
food sweet, salty sweet.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Sweet sweeter salty sweet sweet. So both of you like sweets?
Can I tell you something this interview we're supposed to
be over now, but let me tell you something. Yeah,
they actually are pretty healthy people.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
They'll work out, they like to eat eat right, you know,
just because they have to keep up with a very
demanding lifestyle. So they have to be healthy to do that.
All the time zone changes and all that, with all
the traveling. But they have a cheat day. It's like
one day a week, will they'll eat? Is it one
day a well, mine's one day a week. His is
one day probably every every two months.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, is it just every two hours?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Okay, Well that must be the reason for what I'm
about to tell y'all. We were somewhere having Sunday brunch,
my family and I and Kirk happened to come there
for Sunday brunch that same day. This has caught him
on a cheat day.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Girl, it was a cheap day.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Can't hang with.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Him on a check No. He walked in there, and
I kid you not. It was a brunch.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So they're serving some dinner stuff and some breakfast stuff.
This man, we were talking so we didn't really notice
it until afterwards that he had ordered two servings of pancakes,
stacks of pancakes.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
He ate both of them. Then he had waffles. Did
you have one waffle?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Er two waffles to Belgium, I'm talking about big waffles.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
He ate both of the waffles. And then what else
did you was that it an omelet? An omelet? You
had an omelet? Anything else?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
No, So the whole time we're talking, so we didn't
really really realize.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So we got up that this man had eaten the
equivalent of eighteen doughnuts.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
He's an extreme personality.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's either all or nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
All nothing. So when he's when he's eating healthy, it
might as well be grass. It's it's just literally that boring.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And then when but when he decides to cheat, I
can't hang with him.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'm like, babe, yeah, yeah, he can go. Yes. Next question,
chocolate or vanilla?
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Chocolate?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'm horrifl.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know what, that's a hard question. Our son is
chalk like chocolate.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Anything sweet, anything sweet?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So you wouldn't pick between chocolate and vanilla both?
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Just give me both.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Swirl I'm vanilla though vanilla?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, okay, all right, beach or mountains for a vacation,
for example.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Me, Yeah, which one?
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Which one do you think?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
His dream is to be in the mountains for like Christmas,
like with snow and all that.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So I'm gonna go with mountains since that's what he
was like, okay to do She's beach.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I'm beach girl.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Would you prefer to live in the city.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Would he prefer to live in the city or live
like in the quiet country city city?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Boy?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Right there, I think quiet country now that I get older.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
For yourself, you would want to be in the country. Really,
you didn't know that, Tim, Yeah, because it's always.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Been the city, like that's been our Like He's like,
when we get with all these kids, we're gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
We're gonna get a condo in the city and we
can walk everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And so okay, so you've changed on me.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Riding ponies and.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
As opponed to horses.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Instead of the big horses. I start with the ponies.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Did we answer for for Tammy?
Speaker 6 (30:59):
You think's country?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
She's country. I think you're a country girl.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But I have to have city amenities.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It needs to be somewhere close.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah, Wi Fi yes, city, amenity, drama.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Or comedy, personality, sitcoms, movies.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Oh yeah, I thought you mean it's personality.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You're like both, Yeah, yeah, we both like Yeah, is
there anything if you could pick one piece of advice
for a couple that wants to be in love and
in like twenty years down the road, for the couple
that just got married a year ago and they need
to know what they could do to keep the fire
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burning for twenty years. What would that one piece of
advice be? In thirty seconds, one from you and one
from you, Tammy.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
I would say to the woman, without performing, without that
being yourself, make him feel like he can fly, make
him feel like he's a superhero and he'll always come
save your day.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
That's awesome. That's awesome right there.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, my camera, I have y'all seen those Instagram It
was just going around with Kermit.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yes, will say something and then he'll go.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
With the teeth.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's what that reminded me of.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Go ahead him thirty seconds, Okay, I would say. The
keyword that you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Just said was like like and a lot of times
we marry because we you know, we love them, but
we don't necessarily really know the person to really like them,
and then you know, the like is it's continuing. I mean,
like I said earlier, I'm not the same person that
I was at twenty five that I'm at forty six.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And you grow and you change.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Together because you're gonna be different, You're you're gonna change,
and the key is to change together.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
A lot of people you end up hearing you know,
we just screw out of love. And yeah, they probably
did change, but you know, we've made it our.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Business to change together. And when we sit and we
talk about, you know, hey, I'm not I like to renegotiate.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
That's my word I like to use.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I like to renegotiate this because I'm a different person
now and I like that.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yeah, so now now we renegotiating. Now she she can't
come home at nine, You guys,
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