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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, hey, you're gonna tell me I'm too
equipped to fix that.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That is a whole that could be. In fact, I'm
gonna teach a whole message on that.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Go ahead there. I want to talk about the like
I want talk about two different things.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I want to talk about one of the problems that
God specifically wants to put you in for the purpose
of trials. Trials those you don't talk about, the ones
that actually you just put yourself in.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello, Hello, Hello, we have an opening.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hey, We're back hey with another episode.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are back full fledged the Homie Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's on time this time.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What do you mean it's on time?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Like we're supposed to call it the episode every two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh okay, well, we're doing the best we can. You're
your own.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Producer, Yeah, I'm yes.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Can we just start by acknowledging this cute baseball cap
right here if my son stole from me, I would
like to acknowledge mister Preston Perry, thank you so much
for sending me this baseball cap that my son is
confiscating along with everyday evangelism by Preston Perry.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You know, I think I want to read it.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, you need to read it. Everybody needs to
read it. Just like, let me just tell you what
this subtitle is so everybody can hear this. Pursuing hearts,
not arguments.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Ooh wait, that's good.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Evangelism is about that. Yeah, you love arguing and debating,
which is a great skill to have, but in evangelism,
the goal is winning people to Christ their hearts, not
winning an argument.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That's good, and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Preston Perry can talk about that. So anyway, thank you,
mister Preston. We appreciate that. Everybody go get a copy.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Like he has a little section in the back for
the like nose. Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, okay, I'm excited this too.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, you can steal all the things, because apparently that's
what you do, is steal from your mother. Let me
also acknowledge a visitor that we have that has made
himself at home. This is our little puppy.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Go something on my feet, who.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Was not so little. It's our golden doodle. His name,
his name is Mellow. He is extremely mellow. So he
looks like a fur ball, but it's an actual dog.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, so I don't know they might not be able
to see, but like, yeah, if you see the fur,
it's it's a dog.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, welcome. We're so glad that all of you are here. JC.
How are you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm doing well, doing swell?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You're doing swell.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I'm doing it's a good word. Phenomenal phenomenon. Phenomenal word.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Did swell come?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't know. I don't know where that came from,
but I just got back from Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You did, just get back from Atlanta. Tell tell everybody
what you were doing in Atlanta. You had several fun things,
you and your brother when your older brother went Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So I went for the purpose of speaking for Women Evolved,
which is.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Kind of interesting because it's a women's conference. They asked
you to speak to the teenage girls, so you got
to speak to six through twelfth graders.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's like business and faith and like content creation and
all the stuff that kind of encapitulates encapsulates in that
as it relates to like faith, and so I was like, oh,
that's fun, That's what I love doing.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So it was fun. It was great, had a great time.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It seemed like the young ladies were really engaged in
what you were sharing about how to make sure that
you bring your faith to bear on everything you're doing,
whether it's content creation.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Or I just think such a big thing right now
in our culture and society like Instagram, social media, TikTok,
all the things, and so I think it can sometimes
be we can sometimes forget that's the platform is meant
for us to share the gospel. It's not meant for
us to just get famous and all things. And then
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then the my favorite day in Atlanta, Sunday, because you
know what church is in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know what church.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
There's a lot of meaningful churches, in impactful churches in Atlanta,
but there's John You've been wanting to visit for.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Quite a while twenty eight nineteen with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
My goodness, gracious.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So you guys went, oh we.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Went, Oh we went, We were blessed. I was convicted.
My life sucks, need to get it better. And Jesus
is coming back expeditiously. Pastor Philip, Oh, man, that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Guy right there, he's not playing that guy right there.
There's a unique calling that God has on his life
right now to really like agitate the church to pursue holiness,
to honor God's word, to stop playing around, to stop
ingesting just sugar coated truth, but no real truth that
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convicts you, child and just shifts the course of your life.
Christ's likeness, evangelism, Christ is coming back. We got to
quit messing around. Oh my goodness, I'm so glad that
you guys, You, your brother, two of your friends, and
then your cousin. My niece Carris was there with her husband.
So all of y'all had an opportunity to go to twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Eight ninety, all of it, all of it, and it
was great, fatter than I could have imagined.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All maybe want to move to Atlanta just to go
to the church. And also the Craffels and the Croftels, right,
all of it mixed together was just phenomenal. It was phenomenal.
You couldn't get better than that.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So I'm so I'm so grateful. I was praying for
you guys while you're away, just that the Lord would
let you enjoy yourselves, and thanking him for the opportunity
that he gave y'all to minister to people, but also
then asking him, Lord, would you line up, you know,
opportunity for you to be poured into that you're not
even planning or expecting. And here y'all got to go
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to twenty eight nineteen. You got in because there's always
a line around the building to get in there, you
got in. And then to be able to sit under
teaching like that and in the presence of God in
that unique setting, revival it was.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It was indeed revival worship and all of it was
just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Amen, I'm so glad.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay, But anyways, that what are we.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Talking about today?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I was going to ask you that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh, well, we're talking about the fact that you've had
this revelation about from the story of David and Goliath
that's brought this bigger principle out that you've been marinating on.
So share what about that story and the principle that
you're wanting us to talk about today to encourage people with.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, so here it is, right, Oops, mister Press's hat
fell off.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So David and Goliath, right, the story.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I think everybody knows the story about King David, whether
it be from Goliath or whether that he was king.
But like, I think there's something that needs to be
bridged in between those two things that isn't talked about
as much or that people don't want to talk about
it because it's the part of Christianity.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's like, uh, I don't really want that part.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And so it's it's the fact that actually he had
to fight Goliath, like when God, like God gave him king,
but he wasn't king before he gave him the problems,
like the problems were a part of the journey of
him becoming king. And so most people know that obviously
he killed Goliath, but also it was like he had
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to kill a lion before that, and a bear.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
One of lions bears. Maybe it was one other thing.
I can't remember, but that was it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And that means somebody just walked through the door, probably
j C's brother Jackson walked through the door, and that's
when the dog started barking.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Anyway, go ahead, but anyways, Yes, So I think something
it needs to be talked about all generations a lot
lot in mind is that that problems are actually most problems.
Well yeah, well all problems ordained by God to teach
you something, to to muld you into something. And so
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I want to talk about that part, like the gap
that's bridge between becoming king but understanding that the problems
that in the circumstances that lie within that are actually
part of the journey to get to the king process.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The process part. There's problems, there's trials, because what you're
referring to really are trials, which is that's the God
ordained part, because you know, life consists of problems. There
you know, life be out here, life and all of
those aspects of issues that come aren't necessarily God ordained,
but there God allowed everything happens in your life. There's
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a there's a slight in my mind, a slight separation
for them because some things, some things are all things
are alive, Okay, that passed through his fingers. Anything that
happens in our life, they pass through his fingers before
they ever reach us. And if He's allowed them, that
means that they are part of the preparatory process that
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are required to teach us something, build something in us,
fit us with something character wise, so that we have
the scaffolding required to stay strong when the kingship comes.
And we want to skip that part. We just want
the crowns and the promises and whatever our picture is
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of what God's will is for our life or the
destiny is but if we've skipped all the preparation part,
if we don't value that part, then we're going to
abort the necessary fitting we needed to be able to
sustain us when we get there. Yeah, get the Bible
real quick, son, grab the Bible. Shucks. Can you get it? Okay?
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That right there by the way. While you grab the bible,
can I just say that's his great grand mother or
father's Bible. It's one of his great grandparents Bible which
we have in our house, which I think is really cool.
But as you're looking for that, I'll just shout out
to the Book of James in the first chapter. That's
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why it says to consider it all joy when you
face various trials, because there's a refining that is happening
in that process, and that's why you consider a joy.
You're not considering the trial joy because sometimes clearly, if
it's a trial, it's not joyful. It's hard, it's uncomfortable,
it's uneasy, and we would prefer comfort. But comfort doesn't
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stretch you. It doesn't grow you, it doesn't mature you,
it doesn't put backbone in you spiritually or character wise.
That's going to be required for you to handle what's
coming next.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yes, Okay, when I'm talking about this, it reminds me
of this story Joseph. I'm gonna I was a long
time ago. I was ready, and I kind of had
some thought process about it. I want to see what
you think about this. Okay, Everyboe knows the story of Joseph,
but this is what particularly like caught my eye. So
chapter thirty seven, verse eighteen, it talks about Joseph's brothers
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saw him coming from far away.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Before he reached them, they made.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
A plan to kill him. They said to each other,
here here comes that dreamer. Let's kill him and throw
his body into one of the wells. We can tell
our father that the wild animal killed them in all
the things, right, if we skip down to a verse
thirty six, after all that type of stuff, then Jacob
was like.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Oh my gosh, my son's robe. Some animal ate them.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
All that thirty six talks about. Meanwhile, the Midianites who
bought Joseph had taken him to Egypt. There they sold
him to Potiphar, an officer to the King of Egypt
and captain of the palace guard. So I'm a pause
right there first, So everybody knows the story.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But Joseph.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Told his brother's a dream and then his brothers didn't
like the dream, and so they they wanted to kill him.
But then they were like, no, we can. We should
probably sell them because we get money all this stuff.
So they ended up selling him and all these bad
things are happening to Joseph. And so that's how that
chapter ended. Who was all about things happening to Joseph
and they sell them to Potiphar. So then chapter thirty
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eight talks about Judah and Tamar, which I don't really
know how that connects back to Joseph.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I haven't done no theological study.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
On that, but it is really anything about Joseph in
my mind. Then chapter thirty nine comes back around and
then it says, okay, back to Joseph. Then it's like,
now Joseph has been taken down to Egypt. An Egyptian
named Potiphar was an officer of the King of Egypt
and the captain of the palace guard. And then it
says the lord was with Joseph and he became a
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successful man.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He lived in the.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
House of his master, Potiphar the Egyptian. One more verse,
sorry Potiphar saw the Lord was with Joseph, and then
the Lord made Joseph successful in everything he did. Okay,
And so here's my thing. My question to you is,
whenever the Lord is with somebody like in this instance,
is it like a God just chooses them or is
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there something that has to be done by the other
person as well? To stewart this that type of it's.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Both and right, That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, it's both and the Lord chooses. And then in
the Old Testament in particular, the Holy Spirit was given
to people, or God's presence was put upon people to
accomplish the specific task in a specific time period and
as long as they stewarded that presence well, right, So
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it was both a privilege and a calling and a
choosing and a responsibility.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And so I want to focus on the responsibility part
with Joseph, because he was just sold into slavery.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
His brothers just wanted to kill him.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Like I don't like if that was me, I'd be
pretty upset. It would it wouldn't be happy for me,
and it would be very hard to navigate the circumstance,
this circumstance in a way that where I stay committed
to the Lord. And so I think it's interesting that
Joseph then has all these things happened to him, he
becomes like successful in Potiphar's house and is able he
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becomes over all the stuff that Potiphar and Pharaoh owns,
who are pagan kings.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
By the way, and they make him the manager.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Through to the top dog all the things. But in
Joseph's personal responsibility part is because I think he stewarded
the circumstance correctly in his own mind, Like he didn't
go out and start wilding and not and not doing
all the things. Like he he had a proper view
of God through the circumstance that made him be able
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to get to the point where he's over all the
things in the in Pharaoh and all.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So your point is that during the process all of
those hard things happening him, and instead of becoming bitter,
instead of turning his back on God, instead of thinking, oh,
it's not worth it's not worth honoring God anymore because
of all these hard things, instead he disciplined himself to
stay connected to God Yahweh, and Yahweh in turn made
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sure that his presence.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Exactly Yeah, And I think it's super like impactful a
lot of ways. But like one thing that I recently
came to the realization of is like everything in the
Bible is real, like you know what I mean, Like
everybody knows that, and it's like super Church, especially grew
up in church. You heard that all the time, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But when you realize, oh wait, actually this happened to
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a real person, like an actual person like this. He
was real, like you know, a physical human. It puts
in different perspectives to me because it's like, okay, this,
especially the scripture being God breathed, like this situation happened
to him. We can relate it to any circumstance or
someone doing us wrong or whatever part of our life.
And if we mimic what Joseph did, then we can
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we can have a reasonable expectation that God will also
be with us in ways that will in turn make
the problems and the circumstances and all the type of
stuff before his glory for his good. Because if he
didn't get sold to slavery, he wouldn't have been second
in command, he wouldn't have done all the stuff that
he did later in the chapter.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
You know, what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, So its Romans eight twenty eight. All things are
working together for the good of them who love the Lord.
It's us trusting and believing that all the things even,
which is one of the most seminal verses in Joseph's story,
what was meant for evil? God turns around and uses
for good?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's good?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And I think that is like yeah, and it makes
me like, what was So I'm trying to think because
nobody like obviously wants Stra's ass for Trial's life all right,
too hard, But whenever one does come, how are you
going to view it? Like, how are we going to
view it? How are we going to look at it?
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Because if we look at it like just a problem,
just which is a present tense view of the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Then short sighted, short sighted view.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
We will miss the future point to the present circumstance,
we'll miss it. And so I think it's important for
me at least to be able to know these stories,
digest these stories, and like like have them ingrained in
my brain, because then I'll remember, Okay, God gave us
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these people for an example to help me empathize and
understand this is how what I'm supposed to do when
these problems happen.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, I completely agree with you that the perspective we
have about the difficulties we face in life really does
impact the way we handle them, the way we treat
people while we're in them. You know whether or not
we're going to be just mad and stank and frustrated
and you know, resistant to what God has allowed. Because
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this goes across every aspect of our life, in our families,
relational dynamics that we have with friends, our health, everything.
Wherever we face difficult circumstances, then we say, okay, Lord,
why have you allowed that? That becomes the prayer. Yes,
we can pray Lord remove this difficulty. But as long
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as the Lord allows that thing or that issue, that difficulty,
that drama to remain in our lives, as long as
he allows it, then the prayer also has to be Lord,
would you allow me to steward this well as long
as you've got me in it? Would you remind me
every day by your Holy Spirit You've allowed this for
a reason. So now my prayer is, Lord, would you
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help me not to get out of this situation until
I've got the lesson, until I've got the character you
intended to build until I've got the endurance you were
trying to strengthen in me. Don't let me get up
out of this without learning the lesson, without it preparing
me for what's next. So I'm going to give you
an example from my own life that I'm going to
ask you for yours. So when I was your age,
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in my early twenties, I went to school for broadcast journalism.
That's what I thought I was going to do with
my life communications. I wanted to be a news anchor.
Right when I graduated from school, That's when people started
to ask me every now and then to come lead
a little small Bible study or something here or there.
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Maybe like three times a year. I would drive my
little green Mitsubishi Eclipse somewhere. Sometimes there'd be ten women
there and I'd just share a Bible study. Sometimes I'd
show up there'd be four hundred women there, and I
was like, do they know I'm nineteen or twenty years old?
And I would do the same thing, share a small
Bible study. But television was still my goal. I had
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no thought that I would be in full time ministry.
I had a few jobs in television right outside of
when I graduated. Almost as soon as I got those jobs,
they all fell through. The show would be canceled. I
was an independent contractor for a show here called Positively
Texas in Dallas, and that show had been so successful
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and then they hired me and the show was canceled.
It is just like one thing after the other kept
falling through, and for me straight out of college, that's devastating,
Like it causes a lot of insecurity because it feels
like I'm never going to be successful at this I'm
not good at this job, and so it was very
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very very hard, very hard. It wasn't until almost a
decade later that I was standing in front of three
cameras and an audience to film what would be the
very first Bible study that I ever did. And I
remember the director of that shoot coming over to me
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and basically trying to give me direction on how to
speak to a group of people but also communicate with
these three cameras, because when you're filming a Bible study series,
really your audience is the person that's going to be
on the other side of the camera. So as the
director is trying to explain to me about tally lights
and dealing with cameras. I remember the Holy Spirit whispering
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in my ear and saying all of that was for this, Yeah,
that that was not a waste, even though at the
time it felt devastating. I mean it was so crippling
because I felt like, what a waste of time and
this is never going to work out for me, and
it just seemed like horrible. But then ten years later,
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the Lord was like, that was training. If you had
not learned how to relate to cameras, if you had
not gone through all of those positions that I'd let
you go through that seemed hard at the time, you
would not be prepared for now what has become. I
didn't even know that it would be now. For the
past twenty five years, one of the primary ways we've
done ministry is me standing in front of a camera
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being able to teach the Bible. So that's one of
the ways in my life I realize all things are
working together, They're all a part of the process. And
the gift of hindsight is that the Lord. Hindsight is
the Lord opening up a little window of insight for
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you to start connecting dots of things that have happened
that they were not a waste of time. I just
want to say, this entire time i've been talking, you've
been flipping pages, and I bet, I bet that everybody
on the other side of this camera is just hearing pages,
just flipping.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, I'm just that's going to be edited out.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh is it?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah? I was doing that.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Oh okay, I'm just okay, And I heard everything you're saying.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I was, I was listening.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Actually, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I want to talk about the like I want to
talk about two different things. I want to talk about
one the problems that God specifically wants to put you
in for the purpose of trials.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Those would be trial.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, those you don't talk about the ones that actually
you just put yourself in and don't and.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Don't because some of it we do to ourselves, right.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Exactly can we talk about that one first, like the
ones we just do to ourselves? Like how does that
relate to like our personal growth and how God uses
like you know what I'm saying, Like that part, Well,
how is that like a difference or because.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
To be clear, sometimes it's our sin, it's our rebellion,
it's our stubbornness that actually gets us in scenarios that
are more difficult than they need to be. Like life
is already hard, but sometimes it's us. We chose a
relationship we had no business using a habit or a
lifestyle or a path that maybe isn't even sinful, it's
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just excessive. We did too much of a thing, and
now it's put us in a buying I think one
of the ways the Lord demonstrates his grace and his
mercy and his goodness to us in such clear ways
is that even when we do it to ourselves, he
uses that as an opportunity to still tenderize our heart,
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to draw us to him, to make us more compassionate
towards others. A great example in the Old Testament of
this is Jonah. He did it to himself, it's his
rebellion doesn't put him in that situation, but then he
gets split up back on dry land from this fish.
I think we talked about this in a previous episode.
But God gives him a second chance despite the fact
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that he did it to himself. So to your point, yeah,
sometimes we do it to ourselves, but God is so
gracious and so merciful that he's still gives us second,
twentieth fiftieth chances.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Right, thank Jesus, because thank Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, which makes sense. Okay, So then I want to
first of all, before that, I'm trying to look for this.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I can't find it. Where's Gideon?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Gideon is the Book of Judges chapter six.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Judges six is where we're introduced to Gideon.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Okay, I know you did a hope able study on this,
so yes, it'll.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Be very Gideon is one of my favorite Old Testament characters.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So good. Here is? Where is? I don't know? Maybe
it's Gideon where Okay, yeah, I think here it is.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I love the story of Gideon because of a lot
of reasons. Giddy's great story. But one of the main
things that I think about on a consistent, a consistent
basis is whenever, like, Gideon obviously had this this big army,
and he's wanted to defeat the Midianites. But God said
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something that I thought was really good in verse two.
He said, then the Lord said to Gideon, you have
too many men to defeat the Midianites. First of all, hey,
you're gonna tell me I'm too equipped to fix that
is a whole.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That could be. In fact, I'm gonna teach a whole
message on that. Right there, God said, you have too
much for me to let you have a victory. You
have too many resources, and we don't understand. I just
think that's the part we don't get. He will not
allow us to rest in our own talent, savvy, connections, money, resources,
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all the things that we think are going to equip
us for victory. Most of the time, that's what stands
in the way of the Lord allowing us to have
the victory, because he knows if we win, if we succeed,
if we get the triumph, the victory, and we can
point to our stuff as having accomplished it, we will
never depend on him, will never row to recognize that
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it is only by his hand that that success has
come our way. So sometimes he looks at us and say, actually,
you have too much for me to allow you to
experience victory.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
That's good. Literally, in the next verse he literally says,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Want the Israelites to brag that they save themselves, because
that's what we'll do. So sometimes, especially for people who
are so like good, you're so skilled, talented, so talented,
like you're like, God will purposefully put a situation like
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this on you just for the purpose of knowing, and
you relying on him because it will look impossible to you. Yeah,
and so I think that's another like, it's.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Not by might, it's not by power, it's by the
spirit of God exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And so I think also that is a different type
of circumstance or somebody that can be framed as a
circumstance or whatever because you feel like you have a
problem that's unsolvable, but in reality, he is just trying
to get you to understand. Hey, yo, actually lean on
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me during the situation and I'm gonna make him. One
of the threads that I posted the other day was
there cannot be a miracle if it doesn't look like.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
A problem that's unsolvable. Yeah, Yeah, just can't happen.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And God is trying to use your situation for his
glory by making an unsolvable problem.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, which goes back to your original comment at the
top of this podcast. You know you've you've mentioned Joseph,
you've mentioned Gideon, but back to David. He put him
in a situation where you are clearly outmatched. Yes, this
little teenage boy standing up against this nine foot something goliath.
You are in a situation where you are clearly outmatched
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and the Lord is allowing it, like there's the Goliath
in your life. Our tendency is to go, you know,
either to be upset about it, frustrated by it, shy
away from it, ignore it, run from it. But to
your point, I mean, read Judges chapter seven, when you
have a chance, because the Lord is like Gideon, I'm
getting ready to whittle down your army intentionally so that
here's you and here's the problem. And I'm doing that
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on purpose because it's gonna make you see once this
victory comes that it is not by power, It is
not by might, not by strength, not by talent, not
by skill. It's me. And you won't know that if
you you can match it toe to toe. You'll only
know that when you've been whittled down so severely that
you recognize that Jesus did.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And yeah, and I think it's funny because like in
this situation right here, God led him to the problem
like he was hiding, that's trying the weak, Like he
was like I don't want like I'm not trying to
and the Angel of the Lord came to him and
then all the stuff transpired him to get to this position.
But he wouldn't have got put himself in that position
like the angel. The Lord had to come to him
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to lead him into the position. That was that way
the problem.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Was, and we would never lead ourselves.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Never lead ourselves to a problem, No, because we like comfort.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So the Lord, in his goodness and his grace says,
let me get these people out of their comfort zones.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, oh that's so good.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, which we don't want, right, but without it will
never really know what it means to depend on him.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, I trust him. Yeah, I think like God or.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
God ordained circumstances are usually to kill independence.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Very good. Say that again for the people in the
back who may have missed it. What did I say,
God ordained trials?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yes, God ordains trials. God ordained circumstances to kill independence.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Because our less his tendency is to and some of
us more than others is our personality is wild.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Life, so independent.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And I'm that way too, just ready to do stuff
on our own. I got it. Whatever. Independent, But every
now and then you have to be reminded, actually.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Shoot, I cannot do this.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Is and I don't even is it possible to like
like every thinking about this a little bit, like is
it possible, not just like this particular thing, but just
this topic in Generalis is it possible to really know
you're dependent on God without him putting you in a
position of dependence.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
That's a good question. I don't know how you would.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's why I'm like, that's so like, like I would
love to just be like.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
No all the time.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, I'm dependent on God, you know, Yep, I need Jesus, yep.
I'm a sinner. I'm like, I'm a terrible person. Like
I would love to just stay in that mindset all
the time.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I don't think he want you to think you're a
terrible but like you know what I mean, just needy need,
like just history or even.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
The recognization that I'm not good enough, like all those
things that comes with like humility in the Christian.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Faith, humility, that's the word.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, Like, can is it possible to stay humble and
stay in to rest in a life of humility without
God putting without God putting you through things that remind
you of that.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I think that it requires that, but I think that
it can become a part of a person's countenance that
they don't have to constantly be in difficult circumstances to
remain humble, right, Because you've been, you have enough of
a track record to remember, right, Do you know what
I'm saying? Like you know I gave you that example
(32:55):
from my life in my twenties. Well, I've mentioned before
on this podcast. You know, I've kept this little journal
through the years. I have so much of a track
record now of being David and Goliath. Like where I'm
in a situation where I don't have enough talent, I'm
not skilled, I had no connections, I have no experience.
I don't know what I'm doing. Lord, if you don't
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do it, I have enough experiences like that now that
I'm not saying humility is my first go to, but
I'm saying humility is not as difficult for me. Dependence
is not as difficult for me as it might have
been earlier in my life because now I have so
much clarity on what failure feels like when I thought
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I got it, and what it felt like to know
I didn't have it and the Lord brought me through it.
That as you have a track record, it can be
more of your natural mo to lean towards humility and dependence,
and it doesn't require God putting you in a conundrum
for you to have to be jolted into that.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I've just been thinking about it because like honesty, Like
I'm just trying to remember it because I don't want
to go through problems. I don't still not yet, but
I want to save myself from the ones that I
can save myself from, like if that's possible, you know
what I mean. Like I'm like, okay, well, like let
me just remember in everything that I do, let me
try to involve the Lord. Let me try to not
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be independent, like just because I don't want him to
remind me that I'm not very mature.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't want to like I'm good like anything that
I don't need to have. I just I just don't
need to have. Like yeah, So anyways, I'm just like trying, like, yeah,
I just want curious.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, you haven't given an example from your own life.
I think you should or or some sort of perspective
on what you're seeing around you in the other nineteen
twenty twenty one twenty two year olds people in your
sphere of life. What are you finding is the most
clear ways that the Lord is having to really knock
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them upside their heads to remember, actually, you are not
all that and you need me.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Because I think that most of the time when we
make most of the time in nineteen twenty twenty twenty
two year olds of life, in my experience, in what
I've seen with other people, it independence looks like being.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Being not okay with God's timing.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
M right. We want it faster, We went.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Faster, and so it manifests itself in a lot of ways.
But an example is alcohol, like and when I say that, like,
I mean like okay, Like we want to take comfort
into our own independence, so we'll go to alcohol first
instead of relying on being dependent on God to be
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our comforter. I think it manifest itself a ways, like
with women, like we want to be independently feel the
void of our sexual desire rather than being dependent on
God that he feels that desire instead. So I think
it's a it's a timing issue sometimes, especially with our culture,
in our society and our generation, it's like we are
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too uncomfortable with going at the speed that God wants
us to go at instead of being reliant and dependent
that He is going to feel the things that we need.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And so I think that whole thing and I was
in it too, as you still am. No I wasn't. Like.
What I'm saying is is.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That there are a lot of young adults in the
college space in particular, that are not dependent on God
and go run to independence on their own.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Okay, we might have to have a separate off camera conversation. Okay,
so back to the original point, because we've kind of
talked about a lot of things. But Goliath is necessary
to equip you for what the Lord has for you.
Don't skip the process.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yes, not only is it there to equip you for
the process, but sometimes it's also just there to remind
you and to keep you in his orbit and his comfort.
But the point is that circumstances can be viewed as
good things.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Like you're saying, difficult circumstances.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Can be viewed as with the circumstances, Well, I think
any circumstance, like yeah, any trial, any anything that's hard
can be viewed as a good thing, absolutely if you
just frame it the right way. And so whatever, like
for my people, like when younger people and even your
your people, but you know you can feel better them
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like whenever you're going through a situation like you know,
maybe transition, you don't know a job it's going to
you're gonna have, going out of college, or you know,
whatever it is that this part of life brings in
college or transitioning out of college into young adult life,
young marriage, all that stuff. Having a proper view of
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the situation that you're going through not only will help
will help sustain you through it, but will help you
gather the intel and the knowledge that God is trying
to give you for afterwards.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Absolutely, and what a tragedy it would be to get
out of that season only to look back and realize
you missed all the good stuff that was it because
you were rushing through it. You weren't invested in it,
you weren't prayerfully saying, Okay, Lord, what do you have
for me today while I'm here? And then you look
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back and go, oh, my gosh, there was character I
was supposed to be building there. I was supposed to
learn how to use a slingshot there. Now I don't
know because I didn't take the time to maximize that season.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Oh is it too?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I have one more thing that that kind of say,
one more thing in closing for the people in closing.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
That the mindset that we're talking about all the stuff
is a future mindset. And I'll even go so much
like future on Earth mindset, absolutely, but a heavenly mindset totally.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And so I was.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Actually teaching about this a little bit in a different
like like realm. But in second you know, in Colossians
chapter three, it was talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
My favorite chapter.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, I love Colossians, but it's it's I won't go
to it. It's no need. But actually yes I will
because I don't want to misquote script on accident. I'm
almost there, y'all.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I promise it's okay. Take your time, son, take your
He's a little scattered today. I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Just got a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, his mind is doing eighteen hundred. I'm trying to
keep him on tasks. So it's okay, take your time,
relax yourself, it's all right.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And Relatians Ephesians, Philippians. That's right here, okay, all right,
here we go. Right.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh, this is a different version. But anyways, since you
were raised from the dead with Christ, aim at what
is in heaven where Christ is sitting at the right
hand of God. Think only about the things in heaven,
not the things on earth, okay.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
And so.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
God is trying to get us to realize that if
we have a heavenly viewpoint of everything that happens on earth,
then we will be able to learn that we're able
to see the physics, we're able to relate to it differently,
because it's different when you look at things from a
physical perspective and then a spiritual perspective. And so God
also knows that having that perspective will not only be
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able to help you in it, but also you can
be a proper representation to the people who are going
through it.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Absolutely. So it's like when you're going through a hard thing,
instead of just being matter of about the hard thing, you're
literally saying, okay, Lord, think about you having an argument
with somebody or you know, y'all are in a little
tense moment your relationship. Now, my prayer is, Lord, how
do I reflect Christ's likeness to them even while we argue?
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How do I reflect your character, your compassion? What am
I supposed to be learning that You're trying to teach
me in this moment, your whole perspective on this issue
that honestly, I don't even I don't care to be
in I don't want to argue with you. I'm not interested.
But lord, I'm here. Okay, So how do you want
me to reflect your character? The fruit of the spirit?
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What are you trying to develop in me? The whole
way I'm dealing with this argument is different because I'm
realizing there is a heavenly counter perspective yep to the
physical reality that I'm going through.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And y'all, he's talking to the church.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, the Book of Colossians has written to a believers.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, he's talking to us. Yeah, and so he wants
he wants us as saved people to have a heavenly view,
and so he's not he's talking to us guys.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
But that anyways, that's separate.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
But yeah, yeah, that's fantastic. I think this is a
helpful conversation because, yeah, so if you're you know, if
you're David and you feel like you're up against Goliath
right now in whatever way on your college campus or
as a parent raising a kid, or in a relationship,
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or if you're Joseph and you feel like you've been deceived, Yeah,
in fact, the people closest to you, because it was
Joseph's brothers. It wasn't like some random folks. It was
all the more hurtful because it's actually the people closest
to you that are putting you in this tough position.
Or if you're Gideon and you feel like the Lord
keeps whittling down your sources.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I mean, I didn't realize we literally just did three
different types of Yeah, of circumstances.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
I didn't do that on purpose. Yeah, that is so good.
That's a whole message.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It's a whole message.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
These these are three different types of trials and circumstances
that people go through, whether it's other people going to
you through you, or deceiving you, or you see a
problem that you can't that that seems bigger than you,
or if the other one the Gideon one where God
is making you smaller on purpose for the like all
those things are like.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
All of them are still examples as the Lord allowing
all things to work together for your good, their requirements
to get you to where God has for you, so
it allows you to receive it with open hands.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
That's so good. Wow. Yeah, I'm making that a whole message.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I'm making that a whole I bet y'all do it first.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't have
a speaking thing for a while.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Thank y'all for joining us. We hope this helped you.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Five
First of all, hey, you're gonna tell me I'm too
equipped to fix that.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That is a whole that could be. In fact, I'm
gonna teach a whole message on that.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Go ahead there. I want to talk about the like
I want talk about two different things.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I want to talk about one of the problems that
God specifically wants to put you in for the purpose
of trials. Trials those you don't talk about, the ones
that actually you just put yourself in.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello, Hello, Hello, we have an opening.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hey, We're back hey with another episode.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are back full fledged the Homie Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's on time this time.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What do you mean it's on time?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Like we're supposed to call it the episode every two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh okay, well, we're doing the best we can. You're
your own.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Producer, Yeah, I'm yes.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Can we just start by acknowledging this cute baseball cap
right here if my son stole from me, I would
like to acknowledge mister Preston Perry, thank you so much
for sending me this baseball cap that my son is
confiscating along with everyday evangelism by Preston Perry.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You know, I think I want to read it.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, you need to read it. Everybody needs to
read it. Just like, let me just tell you what
this subtitle is so everybody can hear this. Pursuing hearts,
not arguments.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Ooh wait, that's good.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Evangelism is about that. Yeah, you love arguing and debating,
which is a great skill to have, but in evangelism,
the goal is winning people to Christ their hearts, not
winning an argument.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That's good, and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Preston Perry can talk about that. So anyway, thank you,
mister Preston. We appreciate that. Everybody go get a copy.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Like he has a little section in the back for
the like nose. Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, okay, I'm excited this too.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, you can steal all the things, because apparently that's
what you do, is steal from your mother. Let me
also acknowledge a visitor that we have that has made
himself at home. This is our little puppy.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Go something on my feet, who.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Was not so little. It's our golden doodle. His name,
his name is Mellow. He is extremely mellow. So he
looks like a fur ball, but it's an actual dog.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, so I don't know they might not be able
to see, but like, yeah, if you see the fur,
it's it's a dog.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, welcome. We're so glad that all of you are here. JC.
How are you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm doing well, doing swell?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You're doing swell.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I'm doing it's a good word. Phenomenal phenomenon. Phenomenal word.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Did swell come?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't know. I don't know where that came from,
but I just got back from Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You did, just get back from Atlanta. Tell tell everybody
what you were doing in Atlanta. You had several fun things,
you and your brother when your older brother went Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So I went for the purpose of speaking for Women Evolved,
which is.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Kind of interesting because it's a women's conference. They asked
you to speak to the teenage girls, so you got
to speak to six through twelfth graders.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's like business and faith and like content creation and
all the stuff that kind of encapitulates encapsulates in that
as it relates to like faith, and so I was like, oh,
that's fun, That's what I love doing.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So it was fun. It was great, had a great time.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It seemed like the young ladies were really engaged in
what you were sharing about how to make sure that
you bring your faith to bear on everything you're doing,
whether it's content creation.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Or I just think such a big thing right now
in our culture and society like Instagram, social media, TikTok,
all the things, and so I think it can sometimes
be we can sometimes forget that's the platform is meant
for us to share the gospel. It's not meant for
us to just get famous and all things. And then
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then the my favorite day in Atlanta, Sunday, because you
know what church is in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know what church.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
There's a lot of meaningful churches, in impactful churches in Atlanta,
but there's John You've been wanting to visit for.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Quite a while twenty eight nineteen with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
My goodness, gracious.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So you guys went, oh we.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Went, Oh we went, We were blessed. I was convicted.
My life sucks, need to get it better. And Jesus
is coming back expeditiously. Pastor Philip, Oh, man, that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Guy right there, he's not playing that guy right there.
There's a unique calling that God has on his life
right now to really like agitate the church to pursue holiness,
to honor God's word, to stop playing around, to stop
ingesting just sugar coated truth, but no real truth that
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convicts you, child and just shifts the course of your life.
Christ's likeness, evangelism, Christ is coming back. We got to
quit messing around. Oh my goodness, I'm so glad that
you guys, You, your brother, two of your friends, and
then your cousin. My niece Carris was there with her husband.
So all of y'all had an opportunity to go to twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Eight ninety, all of it, all of it, and it
was great, fatter than I could have imagined.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All maybe want to move to Atlanta just to go
to the church. And also the Craffels and the Croftels, right,
all of it mixed together was just phenomenal. It was phenomenal.
You couldn't get better than that.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So I'm so I'm so grateful. I was praying for
you guys while you're away, just that the Lord would
let you enjoy yourselves, and thanking him for the opportunity
that he gave y'all to minister to people, but also
then asking him, Lord, would you line up, you know,
opportunity for you to be poured into that you're not
even planning or expecting. And here y'all got to go
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to twenty eight nineteen. You got in because there's always
a line around the building to get in there, you
got in. And then to be able to sit under
teaching like that and in the presence of God in
that unique setting, revival it was.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It was indeed revival worship and all of it was
just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Amen, I'm so glad.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay, But anyways, that what are we.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Talking about today?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I was going to ask you that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh, well, we're talking about the fact that you've had
this revelation about from the story of David and Goliath
that's brought this bigger principle out that you've been marinating on.
So share what about that story and the principle that
you're wanting us to talk about today to encourage people with.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, so here it is, right, Oops, mister Press's hat
fell off.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So David and Goliath, right, the story.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I think everybody knows the story about King David, whether
it be from Goliath or whether that he was king.
But like, I think there's something that needs to be
bridged in between those two things that isn't talked about
as much or that people don't want to talk about
it because it's the part of Christianity.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's like, uh, I don't really want that part.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And so it's it's the fact that actually he had
to fight Goliath, like when God, like God gave him king,
but he wasn't king before he gave him the problems,
like the problems were a part of the journey of
him becoming king. And so most people know that obviously
he killed Goliath, but also it was like he had
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to kill a lion before that, and a bear.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
One of lions bears. Maybe it was one other thing.
I can't remember, but that was it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And that means somebody just walked through the door, probably
j C's brother Jackson walked through the door, and that's
when the dog started barking.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Anyway, go ahead, but anyways, Yes, So I think something
it needs to be talked about all generations a lot
lot in mind is that that problems are actually most problems.
Well yeah, well all problems ordained by God to teach
you something, to to muld you into something. And so
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I want to talk about that part, like the gap
that's bridge between becoming king but understanding that the problems
that in the circumstances that lie within that are actually
part of the journey to get to the king process.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The process part. There's problems, there's trials, because what you're
referring to really are trials, which is that's the God
ordained part, because you know, life consists of problems. There
you know, life be out here, life and all of
those aspects of issues that come aren't necessarily God ordained,
but there God allowed everything happens in your life. There's
(08:52):
a there's a slight in my mind, a slight separation
for them because some things, some things are all things
are alive, Okay, that passed through his fingers. Anything that
happens in our life, they pass through his fingers before
they ever reach us. And if He's allowed them, that
means that they are part of the preparatory process that
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are required to teach us something, build something in us,
fit us with something character wise, so that we have
the scaffolding required to stay strong when the kingship comes.
And we want to skip that part. We just want
the crowns and the promises and whatever our picture is
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of what God's will is for our life or the
destiny is but if we've skipped all the preparation part,
if we don't value that part, then we're going to
abort the necessary fitting we needed to be able to
sustain us when we get there. Yeah, get the Bible
real quick, son, grab the Bible. Shucks. Can you get it? Okay?
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That right there by the way. While you grab the bible,
can I just say that's his great grand mother or
father's Bible. It's one of his great grandparents Bible which
we have in our house, which I think is really cool.
But as you're looking for that, I'll just shout out
to the Book of James in the first chapter. That's
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why it says to consider it all joy when you
face various trials, because there's a refining that is happening
in that process, and that's why you consider a joy.
You're not considering the trial joy because sometimes clearly, if
it's a trial, it's not joyful. It's hard, it's uncomfortable,
it's uneasy, and we would prefer comfort. But comfort doesn't
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stretch you. It doesn't grow you, it doesn't mature you,
it doesn't put backbone in you spiritually or character wise.
That's going to be required for you to handle what's
coming next.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yes, Okay, when I'm talking about this, it reminds me
of this story Joseph. I'm gonna I was a long
time ago. I was ready, and I kind of had
some thought process about it. I want to see what
you think about this. Okay, Everyboe knows the story of Joseph,
but this is what particularly like caught my eye. So
chapter thirty seven, verse eighteen, it talks about Joseph's brothers
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saw him coming from far away.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Before he reached them, they made.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
A plan to kill him. They said to each other,
here here comes that dreamer. Let's kill him and throw
his body into one of the wells. We can tell
our father that the wild animal killed them in all
the things, right, if we skip down to a verse
thirty six, after all that type of stuff, then Jacob
was like.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Oh my gosh, my son's robe. Some animal ate them.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
All that thirty six talks about. Meanwhile, the Midianites who
bought Joseph had taken him to Egypt. There they sold
him to Potiphar, an officer to the King of Egypt
and captain of the palace guard. So I'm a pause
right there first, So everybody knows the story.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But Joseph.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Told his brother's a dream and then his brothers didn't
like the dream, and so they they wanted to kill him.
But then they were like, no, we can. We should
probably sell them because we get money all this stuff.
So they ended up selling him and all these bad
things are happening to Joseph. And so that's how that
chapter ended. Who was all about things happening to Joseph
and they sell them to Potiphar. So then chapter thirty
(12:16):
eight talks about Judah and Tamar, which I don't really
know how that connects back to Joseph.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I haven't done no theological study.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
On that, but it is really anything about Joseph in
my mind. Then chapter thirty nine comes back around and
then it says, okay, back to Joseph. Then it's like,
now Joseph has been taken down to Egypt. An Egyptian
named Potiphar was an officer of the King of Egypt
and the captain of the palace guard. And then it
says the lord was with Joseph and he became a
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successful man.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He lived in the.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
House of his master, Potiphar the Egyptian. One more verse,
sorry Potiphar saw the Lord was with Joseph, and then
the Lord made Joseph successful in everything he did. Okay,
And so here's my thing. My question to you is,
whenever the Lord is with somebody like in this instance,
is it like a God just chooses them or is
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there something that has to be done by the other
person as well? To stewart this that type of it's.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Both and right, That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, it's both and the Lord chooses. And then in
the Old Testament in particular, the Holy Spirit was given
to people, or God's presence was put upon people to
accomplish the specific task in a specific time period and
as long as they stewarded that presence well, right, So
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it was both a privilege and a calling and a
choosing and a responsibility.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And so I want to focus on the responsibility part
with Joseph, because he was just sold into slavery.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
His brothers just wanted to kill him.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Like I don't like if that was me, I'd be
pretty upset. It would it wouldn't be happy for me,
and it would be very hard to navigate the circumstance,
this circumstance in a way that where I stay committed
to the Lord. And so I think it's interesting that
Joseph then has all these things happened to him, he
becomes like successful in Potiphar's house and is able he
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becomes over all the stuff that Potiphar and Pharaoh owns,
who are pagan kings.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
By the way, and they make him the manager.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Through to the top dog all the things. But in
Joseph's personal responsibility part is because I think he stewarded
the circumstance correctly in his own mind, Like he didn't
go out and start wilding and not and not doing
all the things. Like he he had a proper view
of God through the circumstance that made him be able
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to get to the point where he's over all the
things in the in Pharaoh and all.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So your point is that during the process all of
those hard things happening him, and instead of becoming bitter,
instead of turning his back on God, instead of thinking, oh,
it's not worth it's not worth honoring God anymore because
of all these hard things, instead he disciplined himself to
stay connected to God Yahweh, and Yahweh in turn made
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sure that his presence.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Exactly Yeah, And I think it's super like impactful a
lot of ways. But like one thing that I recently
came to the realization of is like everything in the
Bible is real, like you know what I mean, Like
everybody knows that, and it's like super Church, especially grew
up in church. You heard that all the time, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But when you realize, oh wait, actually this happened to
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a real person, like an actual person like this. He
was real, like you know, a physical human. It puts
in different perspectives to me because it's like, okay, this,
especially the scripture being God breathed, like this situation happened
to him. We can relate it to any circumstance or
someone doing us wrong or whatever part of our life.
And if we mimic what Joseph did, then we can
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we can have a reasonable expectation that God will also
be with us in ways that will in turn make
the problems and the circumstances and all the type of
stuff before his glory for his good. Because if he
didn't get sold to slavery, he wouldn't have been second
in command, he wouldn't have done all the stuff that
he did later in the chapter.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
You know, what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, So its Romans eight twenty eight. All things are
working together for the good of them who love the Lord.
It's us trusting and believing that all the things even,
which is one of the most seminal verses in Joseph's story,
what was meant for evil? God turns around and uses
for good?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's good?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And I think that is like yeah, and it makes
me like, what was So I'm trying to think because
nobody like obviously wants Stra's ass for Trial's life all right,
too hard, But whenever one does come, how are you
going to view it? Like, how are we going to
view it? How are we going to look at it?
(17:10):
Because if we look at it like just a problem,
just which is a present tense view of the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Then short sighted, short sighted view.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
We will miss the future point to the present circumstance,
we'll miss it. And so I think it's important for
me at least to be able to know these stories,
digest these stories, and like like have them ingrained in
my brain, because then I'll remember, Okay, God gave us
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these people for an example to help me empathize and
understand this is how what I'm supposed to do when
these problems happen.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, I completely agree with you that the perspective we
have about the difficulties we face in life really does
impact the way we handle them, the way we treat
people while we're in them. You know whether or not
we're going to be just mad and stank and frustrated
and you know, resistant to what God has allowed. Because
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this goes across every aspect of our life, in our families,
relational dynamics that we have with friends, our health, everything.
Wherever we face difficult circumstances, then we say, okay, Lord,
why have you allowed that? That becomes the prayer. Yes,
we can pray Lord remove this difficulty. But as long
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as the Lord allows that thing or that issue, that difficulty,
that drama to remain in our lives, as long as
he allows it, then the prayer also has to be Lord,
would you allow me to steward this well as long
as you've got me in it? Would you remind me
every day by your Holy Spirit You've allowed this for
a reason. So now my prayer is, Lord, would you
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help me not to get out of this situation until
I've got the lesson, until I've got the character you
intended to build until I've got the endurance you were
trying to strengthen in me. Don't let me get up
out of this without learning the lesson, without it preparing
me for what's next. So I'm going to give you
an example from my own life that I'm going to
ask you for yours. So when I was your age,
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in my early twenties, I went to school for broadcast journalism.
That's what I thought I was going to do with
my life communications. I wanted to be a news anchor.
Right when I graduated from school, That's when people started
to ask me every now and then to come lead
a little small Bible study or something here or there.
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Maybe like three times a year. I would drive my
little green Mitsubishi Eclipse somewhere. Sometimes there'd be ten women
there and I'd just share a Bible study. Sometimes I'd
show up there'd be four hundred women there, and I
was like, do they know I'm nineteen or twenty years old?
And I would do the same thing, share a small
Bible study. But television was still my goal. I had
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no thought that I would be in full time ministry.
I had a few jobs in television right outside of
when I graduated. Almost as soon as I got those jobs,
they all fell through. The show would be canceled. I
was an independent contractor for a show here called Positively
Texas in Dallas, and that show had been so successful
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and then they hired me and the show was canceled.
It is just like one thing after the other kept
falling through, and for me straight out of college, that's devastating,
Like it causes a lot of insecurity because it feels
like I'm never going to be successful at this I'm
not good at this job, and so it was very
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very very hard, very hard. It wasn't until almost a
decade later that I was standing in front of three
cameras and an audience to film what would be the
very first Bible study that I ever did. And I
remember the director of that shoot coming over to me
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and basically trying to give me direction on how to
speak to a group of people but also communicate with
these three cameras, because when you're filming a Bible study series,
really your audience is the person that's going to be
on the other side of the camera. So as the
director is trying to explain to me about tally lights
and dealing with cameras. I remember the Holy Spirit whispering
(21:31):
in my ear and saying all of that was for this, Yeah,
that that was not a waste, even though at the
time it felt devastating. I mean it was so crippling
because I felt like, what a waste of time and
this is never going to work out for me, and
it just seemed like horrible. But then ten years later,
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the Lord was like, that was training. If you had
not learned how to relate to cameras, if you had
not gone through all of those positions that I'd let
you go through that seemed hard at the time, you
would not be prepared for now what has become. I
didn't even know that it would be now. For the
past twenty five years, one of the primary ways we've
done ministry is me standing in front of a camera
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being able to teach the Bible. So that's one of
the ways in my life I realize all things are
working together, They're all a part of the process. And
the gift of hindsight is that the Lord. Hindsight is
the Lord opening up a little window of insight for
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you to start connecting dots of things that have happened
that they were not a waste of time. I just
want to say, this entire time i've been talking, you've
been flipping pages, and I bet, I bet that everybody
on the other side of this camera is just hearing pages,
just flipping.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, I'm just that's going to be edited out.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh is it?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah? I was doing that.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Oh okay, I'm just okay, And I heard everything you're saying.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I was, I was listening.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Actually, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I want to talk about the like I want to
talk about two different things. I want to talk about
one the problems that God specifically wants to put you
in for the purpose of trials.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Those would be trial.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, those you don't talk about the ones that actually
you just put yourself in and don't and.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Don't because some of it we do to ourselves, right.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Exactly can we talk about that one first, like the
ones we just do to ourselves? Like how does that
relate to like our personal growth and how God uses
like you know what I'm saying, Like that part, Well,
how is that like a difference or because.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
To be clear, sometimes it's our sin, it's our rebellion,
it's our stubbornness that actually gets us in scenarios that
are more difficult than they need to be. Like life
is already hard, but sometimes it's us. We chose a
relationship we had no business using a habit or a
lifestyle or a path that maybe isn't even sinful, it's
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just excessive. We did too much of a thing, and
now it's put us in a buying I think one
of the ways the Lord demonstrates his grace and his
mercy and his goodness to us in such clear ways
is that even when we do it to ourselves, he
uses that as an opportunity to still tenderize our heart,
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to draw us to him, to make us more compassionate
towards others. A great example in the Old Testament of
this is Jonah. He did it to himself, it's his
rebellion doesn't put him in that situation, but then he
gets split up back on dry land from this fish.
I think we talked about this in a previous episode.
But God gives him a second chance despite the fact
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that he did it to himself. So to your point, yeah,
sometimes we do it to ourselves, but God is so
gracious and so merciful that he's still gives us second,
twentieth fiftieth chances.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Right, thank Jesus, because thank Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, which makes sense. Okay, So then I want to
first of all, before that, I'm trying to look for this.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I can't find it. Where's Gideon?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Gideon is the Book of Judges chapter six.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Judges six is where we're introduced to Gideon.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Okay, I know you did a hope able study on this,
so yes, it'll.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Be very Gideon is one of my favorite Old Testament characters.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So good. Here is? Where is? I don't know? Maybe
it's Gideon where Okay, yeah, I think here it is.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I love the story of Gideon because of a lot
of reasons. Giddy's great story. But one of the main
things that I think about on a consistent, a consistent
basis is whenever, like, Gideon obviously had this this big army,
and he's wanted to defeat the Midianites. But God said
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something that I thought was really good in verse two.
He said, then the Lord said to Gideon, you have
too many men to defeat the Midianites. First of all, hey,
you're gonna tell me I'm too equipped to fix that
is a whole.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That could be. In fact, I'm gonna teach a whole
message on that. Right there, God said, you have too
much for me to let you have a victory. You
have too many resources, and we don't understand. I just
think that's the part we don't get. He will not
allow us to rest in our own talent, savvy, connections, money, resources,
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all the things that we think are going to equip
us for victory. Most of the time, that's what stands
in the way of the Lord allowing us to have
the victory, because he knows if we win, if we succeed,
if we get the triumph, the victory, and we can
point to our stuff as having accomplished it, we will
never depend on him, will never row to recognize that
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it is only by his hand that that success has
come our way. So sometimes he looks at us and say, actually,
you have too much for me to allow you to
experience victory.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
That's good. Literally, in the next verse he literally says,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Want the Israelites to brag that they save themselves, because
that's what we'll do. So sometimes, especially for people who
are so like good, you're so skilled, talented, so talented,
like you're like, God will purposefully put a situation like
(27:40):
this on you just for the purpose of knowing, and
you relying on him because it will look impossible to you. Yeah,
and so I think that's another like, it's.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Not by might, it's not by power, it's by the
spirit of God exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And so I think also that is a different type
of circumstance or somebody that can be framed as a
circumstance or whatever because you feel like you have a
problem that's unsolvable, but in reality, he is just trying
to get you to understand. Hey, yo, actually lean on
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me during the situation and I'm gonna make him. One
of the threads that I posted the other day was
there cannot be a miracle if it doesn't look like.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
A problem that's unsolvable. Yeah, Yeah, just can't happen.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And God is trying to use your situation for his
glory by making an unsolvable problem.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, which goes back to your original comment at the
top of this podcast. You know you've you've mentioned Joseph,
you've mentioned Gideon, but back to David. He put him
in a situation where you are clearly outmatched. Yes, this
little teenage boy standing up against this nine foot something goliath.
You are in a situation where you are clearly outmatched
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and the Lord is allowing it, like there's the Goliath
in your life. Our tendency is to go, you know,
either to be upset about it, frustrated by it, shy
away from it, ignore it, run from it. But to
your point, I mean, read Judges chapter seven, when you
have a chance, because the Lord is like Gideon, I'm
getting ready to whittle down your army intentionally so that
here's you and here's the problem. And I'm doing that
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on purpose because it's gonna make you see once this
victory comes that it is not by power, It is
not by might, not by strength, not by talent, not
by skill. It's me. And you won't know that if
you you can match it toe to toe. You'll only
know that when you've been whittled down so severely that
you recognize that Jesus did.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And yeah, and I think it's funny because like in
this situation right here, God led him to the problem
like he was hiding, that's trying the weak, Like he
was like I don't want like I'm not trying to
and the Angel of the Lord came to him and
then all the stuff transpired him to get to this position.
But he wouldn't have got put himself in that position
like the angel. The Lord had to come to him
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to lead him into the position. That was that way
the problem.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Was, and we would never lead ourselves.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Never lead ourselves to a problem, No, because we like comfort.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So the Lord, in his goodness and his grace says,
let me get these people out of their comfort zones.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, oh that's so good.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, which we don't want, right, but without it will
never really know what it means to depend on him.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, I trust him. Yeah, I think like God or.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
God ordained circumstances are usually to kill independence.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Very good. Say that again for the people in the
back who may have missed it. What did I say,
God ordained trials?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yes, God ordains trials. God ordained circumstances to kill independence.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Because our less his tendency is to and some of
us more than others is our personality is wild.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Life, so independent.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And I'm that way too, just ready to do stuff
on our own. I got it. Whatever. Independent, But every
now and then you have to be reminded, actually.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Shoot, I cannot do this.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Is and I don't even is it possible to like
like every thinking about this a little bit, like is
it possible, not just like this particular thing, but just
this topic in Generalis is it possible to really know
you're dependent on God without him putting you in a
position of dependence.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
That's a good question. I don't know how you would.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's why I'm like, that's so like, like I would
love to just be like.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
No all the time.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, I'm dependent on God, you know, Yep, I need Jesus, yep.
I'm a sinner. I'm like, I'm a terrible person. Like
I would love to just stay in that mindset all
the time.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I don't think he want you to think you're a
terrible but like you know what I mean, just needy need,
like just history or even.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
The recognization that I'm not good enough, like all those
things that comes with like humility in the Christian.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Faith, humility, that's the word.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, Like, can is it possible to stay humble and
stay in to rest in a life of humility without
God putting without God putting you through things that remind
you of that.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I think that it requires that, but I think that
it can become a part of a person's countenance that
they don't have to constantly be in difficult circumstances to
remain humble, right, Because you've been, you have enough of
a track record to remember, right, Do you know what
I'm saying? Like you know I gave you that example
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from my life in my twenties. Well, I've mentioned before
on this podcast. You know, I've kept this little journal
through the years. I have so much of a track
record now of being David and Goliath. Like where I'm
in a situation where I don't have enough talent, I'm
not skilled, I had no connections, I have no experience.
I don't know what I'm doing. Lord, if you don't
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do it, I have enough experiences like that now that
I'm not saying humility is my first go to, but
I'm saying humility is not as difficult for me. Dependence
is not as difficult for me as it might have
been earlier in my life because now I have so
much clarity on what failure feels like when I thought
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I got it, and what it felt like to know
I didn't have it and the Lord brought me through it.
That as you have a track record, it can be
more of your natural mo to lean towards humility and dependence,
and it doesn't require God putting you in a conundrum
for you to have to be jolted into that.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I've just been thinking about it because like honesty, Like
I'm just trying to remember it because I don't want
to go through problems. I don't still not yet, but
I want to save myself from the ones that I
can save myself from, like if that's possible, you know
what I mean. Like I'm like, okay, well, like let
me just remember in everything that I do, let me
try to involve the Lord. Let me try to not
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be independent, like just because I don't want him to
remind me that I'm not very mature.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't want to like I'm good like anything that
I don't need to have. I just I just don't
need to have. Like yeah, So anyways, I'm just like trying, like, yeah,
I just want curious.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, you haven't given an example from your own life.
I think you should or or some sort of perspective
on what you're seeing around you in the other nineteen
twenty twenty one twenty two year olds people in your
sphere of life. What are you finding is the most
clear ways that the Lord is having to really knock
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them upside their heads to remember, actually, you are not
all that and you need me.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Because I think that most of the time when we
make most of the time in nineteen twenty twenty twenty
two year olds of life, in my experience, in what
I've seen with other people, it independence looks like being.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Being not okay with God's timing.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
M right. We want it faster, We went.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Faster, and so it manifests itself in a lot of ways.
But an example is alcohol, like and when I say that, like,
I mean like okay, Like we want to take comfort
into our own independence, so we'll go to alcohol first
instead of relying on being dependent on God to be
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our comforter. I think it manifest itself a ways, like
with women, like we want to be independently feel the
void of our sexual desire rather than being dependent on
God that he feels that desire instead. So I think
it's a it's a timing issue sometimes, especially with our culture,
in our society and our generation, it's like we are
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too uncomfortable with going at the speed that God wants
us to go at instead of being reliant and dependent
that He is going to feel the things that we need.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And so I think that whole thing and I was
in it too, as you still am. No I wasn't. Like.
What I'm saying is is.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That there are a lot of young adults in the
college space in particular, that are not dependent on God
and go run to independence on their own.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Okay, we might have to have a separate off camera conversation. Okay,
so back to the original point, because we've kind of
talked about a lot of things. But Goliath is necessary
to equip you for what the Lord has for you.
Don't skip the process.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yes, not only is it there to equip you for
the process, but sometimes it's also just there to remind
you and to keep you in his orbit and his comfort.
But the point is that circumstances can be viewed as
good things.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Like you're saying, difficult circumstances.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Can be viewed as with the circumstances, Well, I think
any circumstance, like yeah, any trial, any anything that's hard
can be viewed as a good thing, absolutely if you
just frame it the right way. And so whatever, like
for my people, like when younger people and even your
your people, but you know you can feel better them
(37:57):
like whenever you're going through a situation like you know,
maybe transition, you don't know a job it's going to
you're gonna have, going out of college, or you know,
whatever it is that this part of life brings in
college or transitioning out of college into young adult life,
young marriage, all that stuff. Having a proper view of
(38:18):
the situation that you're going through not only will help
will help sustain you through it, but will help you
gather the intel and the knowledge that God is trying
to give you for afterwards.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Absolutely, and what a tragedy it would be to get
out of that season only to look back and realize
you missed all the good stuff that was it because
you were rushing through it. You weren't invested in it,
you weren't prayerfully saying, Okay, Lord, what do you have
for me today while I'm here? And then you look
(38:50):
back and go, oh, my gosh, there was character I
was supposed to be building there. I was supposed to
learn how to use a slingshot there. Now I don't
know because I didn't take the time to maximize that season.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Oh is it too?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I have one more thing that that kind of say,
one more thing in closing for the people in closing.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
That the mindset that we're talking about all the stuff
is a future mindset. And I'll even go so much
like future on Earth mindset, absolutely, but a heavenly mindset totally.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And so I was.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Actually teaching about this a little bit in a different
like like realm. But in second you know, in Colossians
chapter three, it was talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
My favorite chapter.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, I love Colossians, but it's it's I won't go
to it. It's no need. But actually yes I will
because I don't want to misquote script on accident. I'm
almost there, y'all.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I promise it's okay. Take your time, son, take your
He's a little scattered today. I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Just got a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, his mind is doing eighteen hundred. I'm trying to
keep him on tasks. So it's okay, take your time,
relax yourself, it's all right.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And Relatians Ephesians, Philippians. That's right here, okay, all right,
here we go. Right.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh, this is a different version. But anyways, since you
were raised from the dead with Christ, aim at what
is in heaven where Christ is sitting at the right
hand of God. Think only about the things in heaven,
not the things on earth, okay.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
And so.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
God is trying to get us to realize that if
we have a heavenly viewpoint of everything that happens on earth,
then we will be able to learn that we're able
to see the physics, we're able to relate to it differently,
because it's different when you look at things from a
physical perspective and then a spiritual perspective. And so God
also knows that having that perspective will not only be
(41:00):
able to help you in it, but also you can
be a proper representation to the people who are going
through it.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Absolutely. So it's like when you're going through a hard thing,
instead of just being matter of about the hard thing, you're
literally saying, okay, Lord, think about you having an argument
with somebody or you know, y'all are in a little
tense moment your relationship. Now, my prayer is, Lord, how
do I reflect Christ's likeness to them even while we argue?
(41:27):
How do I reflect your character, your compassion? What am
I supposed to be learning that You're trying to teach
me in this moment, your whole perspective on this issue
that honestly, I don't even I don't care to be
in I don't want to argue with you. I'm not interested.
But lord, I'm here. Okay, So how do you want
me to reflect your character? The fruit of the spirit?
(41:49):
What are you trying to develop in me? The whole
way I'm dealing with this argument is different because I'm
realizing there is a heavenly counter perspective yep to the
physical reality that I'm going through.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And y'all, he's talking to the church.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, the Book of Colossians has written to a believers.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, he's talking to us. Yeah, and so he wants
he wants us as saved people to have a heavenly view,
and so he's not he's talking to us guys.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
But that anyways, that's separate.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
But yeah, yeah, that's fantastic. I think this is a
helpful conversation because, yeah, so if you're you know, if
you're David and you feel like you're up against Goliath
right now in whatever way on your college campus or
as a parent raising a kid, or in a relationship,
(42:41):
or if you're Joseph and you feel like you've been deceived, Yeah,
in fact, the people closest to you, because it was
Joseph's brothers. It wasn't like some random folks. It was
all the more hurtful because it's actually the people closest
to you that are putting you in this tough position.
Or if you're Gideon and you feel like the Lord
keeps whittling down your sources.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I mean, I didn't realize we literally just did three
different types of Yeah, of circumstances.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
I didn't do that on purpose. Yeah, that is so good.
That's a whole message.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It's a whole message.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
These these are three different types of trials and circumstances
that people go through, whether it's other people going to
you through you, or deceiving you, or you see a
problem that you can't that that seems bigger than you,
or if the other one the Gideon one where God
is making you smaller on purpose for the like all
those things are like.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
All of them are still examples as the Lord allowing
all things to work together for your good, their requirements
to get you to where God has for you, so
it allows you to receive it with open hands.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
That's so good. Wow. Yeah, I'm making that a whole message.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I'm making that a whole I bet y'all do it first.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't have
a speaking thing for a while.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Thank y'all for joining us. We hope this helped you.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
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