War in Ukraine, Analytics. Day 1132: Ukraine's Dilemma: Nationalism or Ukrainians? Arestovych, Feldman

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Sim prior to the project. Hello everybody, this is Project Alpha.
My name is Nikolai Feldman. Word Diary with Xristovitch is
live on air. Hello Alexi, heinically all right. We were
off the previous week. A lot of things happened, so
probably will be a rather rich stream today. I want
to figure out an answer to the question who is

(00:34):
disrupting the peace? Deale, We perhaps need to talk about
the position of the United States, China, Russia and Ukraine.
It seems that Ukraine occupied the right position. First gave
the right pass over to the group saying that we
are okay with thirty day truce. Russia disagreed to that
and started shooting up Ukrainian cities, and Ukraine in return

(00:58):
started attacking Ruda share as well. So now the whole
fight is reignited again. Do you still believe that the
truth will happen? So okay, in orderly fashion, Nikalai. Truce
is being disrupted by both sides, Russia and Ukraine, because
if we were not disrupting it, there were no messages.
There would be no messages about us coming to Belgarad district,

(01:19):
and then of course the oil station in Suja. All
of a sudden starts to catch fire. Of course, we
know Russians are blowing up themselves, but really and Russians
are disrupting it, of course by hitting the energy objects
in the Ukraine, telling fair tales about the seven uvs
that put in order to turn around or shut down
live on the air, when in reality they continue the

(01:42):
devastation on the Ukraine territory. These are all well known
stories online. There's a wonderful lecture I forgot his name,
a specialist on North Korea. He was talking about how
during the war between South and North Korea, how it
came to an end when South Koreans were screaming about

(02:05):
the war to the end with damned communists until the
United States basically almost shut down their aid and the
Southerners were completely dependent on that aid. So that's kind
of what caused the war to end there. And I
think that's the phase of Ukrainian Russian war now that
we're looking at. Is it good enough an answer, Nikolay

(02:26):
or do you want to ask more? In this regard?
I also think Trump is an important piece in this agreement,
but I think he's being hated on all sides. Russians
are trying to discredit him. Ukrainians apparently do hate him,
and we can see that at least through the deal
of rare earth minerals, or Zelenski and his cohorts had

(02:50):
riled up the whole country against Trump and his agreement.
And those people who initially supported this agreement today they're
actually coming out and saying that they're against Nikolai. Indeed,
let's pay some attention to the current situation and just
be very thorough about it. First of all, let's address
why supposedly Trump and putting are both against our poor

(03:14):
Ukrainian project. This is somewhat true. They joined in their stance,
but not against Ukraine, but against Ukraine nationalistic project. And
this is a very big difference. And until you start
seeing this difference, you will not understand it. Now, let's
look at the situation inside Ukraine. First of all, Ukrainian

(03:36):
propaganda and lack of government strategic communication had done so
that that project of Ukraine liberation, nationalistic army dugouts became
associating itself with or started associating itself with the whole Ukraine.
But why why the f Because this is just one project.

(03:57):
Ukraine should not be tied to just one project. Is
it a question of self idea or I can switch
to Ukrainian and a Lexi. He speaks in Ukrainian language
talking about his love to Ukrainian literature, yet still he
is against putting a T shirt with the slogan and
death to our enemies. I do not want to attack

(04:21):
people for their beliefs. For the difference of opinion, Now
he switches to Russian. I do like literature as well.
I like Pushkin, Boldakov, Dostoyevsky, and I don't want to
bomb Ukrainian cities for that. I don't need to shoot

(04:42):
people for this. I don't need to cut anybody's heads
off and execute anybody. Self idea is very simple. In
order to self identify, I do not need to associate
myself with NATO or fight with NATO. I do not
need to be part of European Union. These two self
identifications within me as a Ukrainian and as a Russian

(05:06):
culture expat of somebody who grew up in the USSR.
They did not conflict with each other, and I can
appreciate both Ukrainian literature and crime and punishment in the
same book. How does that happen? One can ask despite

(05:28):
both Russian and Ukrainian propaganda, because I should have been
torn apart right by both sides within myself. And I
can also bring here some American identification because I do
like this country. And all that shows how artificial nationalistic
project is in Ukraine. Even Trump and Putin are somewhat

(05:51):
siding against it. And look, Putin gave an interesting interview recently.
He said that Ukraine needs to conduct election under the
United Nations supervision because Znanski is illegitimate, and he basically
voiced whatever he told Trump on the phone and their conversation,
and I did not like to bring the insights. I

(06:13):
hate it, but I do have the information some on this.
Basically put In cold Trump and told him that we
either figure a way to take down the entire Ukrainian
government right now, perhaps with China participation, with the United
Nations participation, or I finished them off militarily. We may

(06:34):
need five more years, according to Putting, Russia may need
five more years to reach their goals, and he's ready
somewhat to continue this war. He still has some resources. Well,
Trump doesn't really have that time. Trump promised to figure
it out till the end of April, and after that
he's losing his face. The problem is that Trump doesn't

(06:56):
really have a forceful lever against put not that he
cannot strike Russia with nuks and missiles. Of course he can,
but this is not the adequate response. And even Putin's Russia,
he is needed more to United States than Ukraine to
fight with China, to have an ally on this continent.

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And that's his dilemma. He wants to finish this war,
but an aggressor is more important for him than and
God forbid me for saying this word, the victim of
aggression and his scope, his opportunity to influence Russia is limited.

(07:40):
He's facing a very complex dilemma. How he is trying
to find a way out of it. First, he's saying
that he is very upset with Putin. I would not
want to slap more sanctions or do more stuff against Russia,
but Putin is really pissing me off. So I'll probably
sanction Russian oil, and that would imply that everybody who
buys Russian oil will not be able to deal with

(08:03):
the United States, and that is China, Europe, India, many
other countries. Second, he says that he will attack Iran
because Iran is horrible. They've been instigating the huties and
they're avoiding the nuclear deal with the United States, and
Iran is taking position that they will not talk about
any nuclear deals without a third party such as Russia

(08:25):
or China. And Iran, by the way, he's purchasing Russian oil.
They cut some interesting relations there. So Trump wants to
create an exemplary punishment. The third aircraft carrier group is
already coming to the Straits there and perhaps effect put
In this way, But what if Putin doesn't get scared then?

(08:47):
And okay, let's consider it a little further. Imagine Trump
implemented more sanctions against Putin, but Putin is not budging.
What else can they do? They need to put all
the effort onto Ukraine because Putin's list of demands is
pretty short and not making it more simple, But basically,

(09:11):
it's Finlandization of Ukraine. When Finland, after the Second World
War took it upon itself to not propagandize against Soviet Union,
to not limit economic relations, to not join any military blocks,
and to not conduct anti Russian activities from their territory.
So Putin suggests the same model for Ukraine a neutral government,

(09:33):
neutral country, no NATO's no euse. The army is not
bigger than two hundred and fifty thousand, which is by
the way, a good positive news because before that they
were only talking about fifty or ninety thousand. But there
is also an attack on the nationalistic symbols of Ukraine,

(09:53):
forbidding all the nationalistic battalions in Ukraine and Russia taking
away for districts of Ukraine, for regions of Ukraine. Otherwise,
Russia continues fighting. And the key matter here is not
even territory to Russia. It's more about disbanding nationalist battalions
and disbanding any symbols related to them. This is a

(10:14):
strike right in the heart of Ukrainian nationals. Now, those
people who believe that Trump and Puttin have joined and
that Europe is with them, a question to you, guys,
do you really think that multicultural Europe, with open language politics,
with open religious agenda will support you in dismantling monuments,

(10:39):
in suppressing religion and removing certain or limiting certain groups
of people. Europe will not be supporting nationalistic project. Ukrainian
nationalistic dugout will not be supported by anybody so Europe
is also going to join Trump and techno Putin in

(11:00):
order to fight that nationalistic element in Ukraine. And by
the way, I am for Ukraine, but I am against
the narrow nationalistic project. Ukraine should not be represented by
a single nationalistic project. Me and the lia Chadlum historian
are recording a story about the Ukrainian project. I recommend

(11:22):
you ought to watch it because even Ukrainian nationalism had
six or seven different versions. Oh yeah, that fellow talk's
really good about that. He knows his subject, Alexei. Right.
So these people who are supportive of this nationalist movement,
they're absolutely right in their heart, but they completely lack

(11:43):
in their brain compartment. And that story that we have
got ourselves to self identify Ukraine with the dugout of nationalism.
That dugout will be finished by Putin, by Trump, by Europe,
by US jointly. The question is what next? What are

(12:03):
we fighting for? Nobody is fighting for territories We will
not militarily take them back. Nobody is fighting for crimea
again not an option right now. Militarily. What can we
fight for? We can fight to not let we can
continue his war in Ukraine and to prevent future aggression.
But we cannot fight for the nationalistic dugout, the one

(12:27):
that's trying to sit on all chairs. You cannot at
the same time fight the tyranny and say that you
are democracy while also prohibiting the use of certain languages
and cultures and religions in the country. I mean, psychologically
you can believe in all that, but technically nobody it's impossible.
If you will do that, nobody will consider you a democracy.

(12:51):
And now everybody technically is against that nationalistic Ukrainian Liberation
Army dugout. Now we're observing an experiment whether this dugout
can fend itself from everybody. Put in Trump and Europe
with their garage, fabrication of drones and their promises to

(13:14):
destroy Russian army in half a year, and that Trump
will also defeat soon and will show him how to
do it with all this propaganda that's coming from Zelensky now,
and Trump is facing a complex issue he's trying to solve.
He'll probably bomb Aran or slap some sanctions on them
to get put into budge in his positions. Okay, but

(13:35):
what next? He did say that Zelensky will face serious
consequences for refusal from deal, and that's pretty easy for
Trump to implement. What if Zelensky will refuse to follow
the guidance of the United States and his ratings are
actually growing in Ukraine right now because a bunch of

(13:55):
Ukrainian citizens who are agitated and scared by the land,
the attacks of Russians and the drones attacking the country,
They're hysterically jumping to support Zleanski. I would love to
talk to a book of another colemnist with Russian origins
on this topic. But overall, the question can be put

(14:16):
like this. We are in a dead end of uncertainty,
and nobody knows how to address it in a most
effective way. Trump does not have a solution. Trump has
limits within which he can operate, and he found those
limits pretty quickly. He's in the same situation with Greenland
and Canada, but he can figure out those two with

(14:39):
Zelenski not exactly, so it's more difficult, all right, Alexiy Look,
I think he already made a decision what to do.
We have a publication This week Washington Post published a
secret memorandum from Pentagon about China that China is the
only threat and Taiwan is the only priority, while Europe

(15:01):
will need to figure it out with Ukraine, Russia, North Korea,
et cetera themselves. So if they published it, I think
Trump is already preparing the secondary fortification line that he
can fall back to. If Russia doesn't want to deal
with Trump, If Zelensky doesn't want to deal with Trump,

(15:23):
why would he want to stay in this equation by himself.
I don't understand that. If he's the only person who
wants to freeze this conflict to give some guarantees of
security to Ukraine by signing rare Earth minerals deal and
starting the mining, he's the only one who wants to
agree about Arctic with Russia and figure out some future

(15:47):
politics in this regard. So for Russia, this is one
of the articles with five hundred more sub articles. There
seems like Russia is collecting all the ones in their
big list. The Putins wants, over his thirty years, to
pin them on Trump and ask him to help them
achieval that. But I don't think Trump wants to do
that or will do that. I think everything ends in

(16:10):
a deadline of meeting with Cazinpin. I think it will
happen a month from now in Washington roughly right plus
minus a few days. That's Putin's deadline. If Putin is
not going to follow through with the truce with the deal,
then Trump and China will be solving this conflict together

(16:32):
in a format of I guess G two. Right, This
is a possible model, Nikolay. But dilemma of Russia is
not disappearing. There would not be a Greenland issue if
that was not one of the key areas in the
North Atlantic and the area where United States want to
make sure they have enough power to resist Russia and China.

(16:55):
This is a threat to American national security. Second, the
whole strategy is collapsing. The strategy was to use Russia
against China as the counterway to balance out the system.
That was the idea in the United States. Now that
seems to be falling apart with peace through diplomacy. Nobody's

(17:16):
talking about trillion dollar fund because that's connected to the
rare Earth mineral deal and reasonably so. So what if
Russia will continue some pressure onto Europe, including military measures,
which I do not quite believe, but the reality is
still there that they can possibly do that, they can
possibly threat European countries, NATO's fifth article and what to

(17:39):
do with NATO. That publication in Washington Post is not
a doctrine and not a change of foreign politics. Is
just the publication. You know. There are fifteen of those
daily in the United States, and for one hundred thousand
dollars I can place any publication in Washington Post or
the like. Some of the Ukrainian lobbyists became very good specialists,
and they've perverted quite a few correspondents. Now in a

(18:04):
lot of articles in the United States and the Europe
you can publish for one hundred thousand k any article
you like. So this is not exactly a good source
to rely upon. Yes, indeed, the conflict between Taiwan and
China is still smoldering. The agreement behind the scenes was
heard to be that Taiwan might eventually be given to

(18:25):
China as the zone of influence, but apparently this is
not happening because China is not really listening to United
States and not playing nice. So now Trump Van's mask
are understanding that the world is more complex than they
initially thought. So the valid question is what next. Okay,
you can bomb around to smithereens but what do you

(18:47):
do with China and Russia? What will China and Russia
do if they understand that that's it, that Trump cannot
do anything else, well, sanctions, yes, but anything else. And
the main question here is what will we do. I
think it's obvious what Trump will do with Ukraine. He'll
probably make three steps back and say, well, you guys,
then help yourself if you don't want my help here

(19:10):
right Indeed, Alexei, I think that's what's going to be
posed in front of that brave Ukrainian nationalistic dugout so
more publications Financial Times Alexey. Baltic countries are concerned that
ceasefire in Ukraine might increase the threat from Russia to them.

(19:30):
This is a signal from Europe that do not conclude
the war between Russia and Ukraine too rapidly, because Russia
might move their efforts against certain countries of Baltic region.
Poland also is saying that they can resist Russian aggression,
probably for two weeks. Poland is saying that they can

(19:51):
they have enough resources to protect themselves for one or
to two weeks in case of Russian aggression. General dar
Schakowsky told in one of the publications. So they are
not seemingly going to end the war of Russia with Ukraine.
European countries are against finishing the war by any means necessary,

(20:16):
and they are seemingly supporting Ukraine as the forepost of Europe,
and they're trying to support Zelensky and Ukraine as a
continuous fighting force against Russia. They will be playing this, right,
Oh yeah, they will. But Nikolai, how much did European
aid dwindle in the two weeks that we haven't seen
each other. They started with some hundreds of billions and

(20:37):
today there were two billion dollars or euros somehow on
certain terms. So Europe, I think, caught the same disease
from Ukraine, a ton of sweet promises without any backing. Right, absolutely,
Actually they are enjoying these statements. Ukraine, you are the
fore post, you are the forward base. Without you, we

(20:58):
cannot go forward, We cannot go exist with Russia without
you serving as a buffer. Right, this is exactly Nikolay,
the fairy tales and legends of the Ukrainian nationalistic model.
And if that's where they want to go, we cannot
really stop them. So President Zelensky say seemingly is trying

(21:18):
to trade that deal about rare earth minerals. I think
it was almost ideal. He should have agreed to that
when it was offered, but he disrupted it twice. Nikolay,
The problem is not in that. The problem is that
American and Ukrainian relations have been disrupted. I think are
probably and even that deal would not serve the full

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scope as it was initially designed to be. And it's
not the problem with nationalistic battalions. You can disband them
in one day. But the question is that a lot
of people in Ukraine seriously believe that nationalistic project is
the future of Ukraine and they aligned with it. Why
Lensky believes in that, I understand he never had brains.

(22:06):
He might not have read many books on strategy in
his life, and he just reacted to the most prominent
signal from his electorate with the loudest one. And I
can understand why Ukrainian citizens are going for this because
of propaganda and the pain of ongoing fighting. But that's

(22:27):
the problem. This solution doesn't have brains. You need to
look at the analogies from Korea, from Germany, how all
these wars ended. Look at the South Vietnam analogy, but
one needs brains to compare. Okay, so we'll fight for
a few months without American aid. Let's start with a
simple question, how do we fight Russian UAVs with our

(22:49):
ear defense? Now they've got new tactics. They gather and
drawn it droves around the city, they fly around it
in big flocks, and then they pick targets and attack
and Ukrainian side cannot really counter that. We have not
discovered how to. Of course, we will figure it out.
We'll put some aerostats and some other barriers for them.
But finally, bright Russian thought figured out that, you know,

(23:12):
two years or three years into the war, that the
first chapter of the book on tactics had a very
good kernel of getting the pressure, exerting the pressure on
a certain point, amassing a lot of resources at one point.
What if they will do that and they will a
tack one city, then the other city like that, They'll
be crumbling our infrastructure. And now they're pressing against different

(23:37):
parts of the front, but they probably will regroup around
August to continue later. So how are we going to
fight against that? Because it's not just the front. You
need energy systems, you need manufacturing. You need moral spirit
of nation that is supposedly going to resist while their

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cities are being demolished by Russian forces. What we will
use the garage manufacturing facilities? Are we capable of capable
to assemble patriot system in there? What do you think
if you blow more oil refineries in Russia? That'll stop
with him? So the key task of this period is,

(24:19):
as I would formulate it, how quickly will we become
smart enough to denounce the dugout of Ukrainian Liberation army
nationalistic project? Because this story is about death. This is
the dead philosophy that wants to grab more souls with it.

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And you could notice the moment that ideology became prevailing
in Ukraine, our population became got a really negative trend,
that's lendling. People are leaving the country. What other proofs
do we need in order to justify the statement that
this is a death this is a dead project. And

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I want to post a question front of our computer
its do you want to perhaps think about our country
being different? There's a different future possible for our country,
and let's see what will be the cost for us
to take a different perspective. We lose four districts. We'll
lose nationalistic battalions and don't use some symbols, okay, but
we still have a rather big Ukraine left with access

(25:25):
to the sea. What is the alternative? Continue withdrawing to
the left bank with our five million drones that we
somehow advertised, because that the alternative. So we are facing
a very difficult dilemma here by Trump put in seas
in pin everybody. I just got back from India, I
would tell you that I talked to a couple of

(25:49):
Indian right there. Talk talks, not taxi drivers tiktoks. Right,
So they're saying that Alexi, we of course love Ukraine,
but not the nationalistic version of it. Oh, Alexi, India
is the whole out of civilization for us. Indid Nikolai

(26:10):
and the dugout has no allies in this world. It
doesn't even have enough allies in the Ukraine. But they
got a lot of people hostage and they're forcing them
to die for this project. And here is the question
whether the Ukrainians will finish off this dugout or the
dug out will finish off Ukrainians. That's I think the

(26:31):
right dilemma for today. And I have only one word
for our compatriots, choose Alexei. I'm afraid they won't choose
wisely because the central signal wants them to not choose,
to not make that logical choice. Let's look at the
ideological component of that central signal coming from Kiev. What
do they say. They're saying unity, make sure we only

(26:55):
speak Ukrainian and this will be part of our unity.
But this is the thesis that doesn't really hold any
critique because even amongst themselves, those people who are marching
for this thesis, and they don't have much of any
other ideology. They don't even have their own unit. Yet
they indeed represent six or seven different projects which actually

(27:18):
hate each other. Do we not know that supporters of
Parashenko hate the supporters of Zelensky? This is truth, and
those who side with Biltsky they hate both Parashenko and
Zelenski groups. This is also true. We know that this
is not a surprise to anybody. But they all are compressing,

(27:41):
suppressing other people in Ukraine with the same propaganda style.
And there is no other official ideology that would be
openly accepted. And President Zelenski seems to be able. He
thinks he's able to use that to trade things with Trump.
And I'm under opinion that Zelenski is trying to pressure Trump.

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Putin is trying to pressure Zelenski, and Lenski is trying
to pressure Trump. I think this is schizophrenia, but that's
how I see it. Let's again address it in the
orderly fashion. Nicolay, we saw a couple of statements by
Gansherenka and Aserhanka. They both are right representatives of that
stinky dugout, but they're already fighting with each other. They're

(28:26):
squabbling even before any election. Remember I told some streams
back that they will be fighting for those thirty percent
of electorate that support them. And I want to say
one more thing to our Ukrainians, guys. Unity is for
dumb f's. This is for really stupid ones. The first

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argument is that unity cannot be achieved by an appeal.
However much you appeal to that, unity doesn't evolve like this.
Unity is not an emotion. Unity is not agreement to
do that for now. Unity is the result of something
lived jointly, some experience that everybody shares. But if the

(29:09):
project is separating Ukrainians into different groups, there is no unity.
The project that doesn't include everybody cannot be unifying project.
When somebody says we need to unite, you can only
translate that from psychological that. I don't know what to do,
but at least let's hold together so it's not too scary,
and let's listen to me, right, Nikolay, This is not

(29:29):
a position. This is fear. Vote for me because I
scream about unity. Fear has never united anybody. Fear is
the spelling second. Unity is masking the fear of conflict,
if you know it. I never talk about unity. I
often talk about being that separation point. Who is not

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with us, he is against us? And quoting one of
the Middle East extremists and his publication about two thousand
years old, who are saying, who had chosen his family
instead of me? Is against us? So we need to

(30:14):
rattle the bout. This boat is stinky and rotten and
we're about to sink in it. The boat needs to
capsize and only the real Ukraine needs to survive. The
real appeal is not unity. The real appeal is to
set the whole thing on fire from all four sides
and see what remains that will be their live one.

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The third argument is that unity comes after truth and
not instead of truth. As long as we're not saying
any truth, there will be no unity here. And people
who are stating the truth, they're defining that unifying field
way better than those who lie a lot, because unity

(30:55):
is a lie doesn't really work, but it's a very
strong idea. In Ukraine, let's not argue. We have one country,
one pain, one soul, and both Russian speaking and Ukrainian
speaking are facing Shahid attacks at night and then at
some other time of the day, one side is yelling

(31:17):
at the other before listening to some music in Russian.
That's not unity. Purity facilitates unity. Clear agenda facilitates unity.
Appeals to unity is manipulation. If you decipher it, you
will find that it means vote for us. Otherwise we're

(31:41):
very afraid. Do not attack Ukrainian jackets, Do not attack
us for our receipts. How we spend the donations and
support money. Let's be united, Let's not point fingers at
each other, Let's not talk about corruption. We got to
be united. But normal strong people they see that these falsities,

(32:06):
they feel them, and they don't want to join with that.
Appeals after coming back from spiritually clean India, I am
looking at what's happening in Ukraine and in the moment
I hear unity, I am experiencing disgust. How can we
join with the group of people. And if Trump and

(32:29):
Putchin and if we would not do that, if we
do not denounce this nationalistic, narrow project, then Trump and
Putin will do that, will finish it off, and they'll
be supporting Europe and China will turn away. They wouldn't care.
There is no shape, there is no truth behind these
appeals to fake unity. It will not work. We either

(32:54):
figure it out how to deal with that dugout, or
it will carry us to our graves. So the question
is whether they will find the right political leader in
the country, and whether Ukrainians will have enough balls to
support that person and to be strong enough to amputate
the part of Ukraine that we cannot return right now,

(33:15):
perhaps temporarily like Germany did, like Korea did, like Azerbaijan did,
and start new project of Ukraine. Understand the very simple
thing here in the current situation, you and us, whether
democrats come back, whether China has some capitalist revolution at
some point, whether Russia changes leadership, and somebody like Navali

(33:37):
starts to lead it. We will not be able to
do anything about this dugout. If we don't solve it,
it'll still take us to our graves. The only way
out for now is to amputate those districts and the
nationalist project and figure out where to go with new Ukraine.
And until Ukrainians figure out that this is the only

(33:59):
viable exit of this situation, they'll be paying with their future,
with their lives or their relatives for attempt to avoid reality.
That's how I see all this agenda. And I keep
watching these propaganda and Ukraine, all different bloggers and experts
coming out and all kinds of media attacking Putin and Trump.

(34:20):
It's not even analysis anymore. It's just very nervous appeal.
It seems like they're using some sorcery and trying to
enchant it by repeating certain statements over and over again
that they would get I don't know, magic Johnson visit
and the helicopter with support from UK and EU with
money and weapons. So even those who figure out any

(34:47):
analytics in Ukraine, they very often figure out that they
caught not Trump but themselves. They cut themselves on corruption
on many other issues that we have. And that's why
to all those who favor a consperology anti Trump at
a sids in pin consperology, I give a very simple
way to save themselves from consperology thirty second of a seminar.

(35:12):
The real explanation that contains truth is usually not likable,
not liked by person, and the explanation that is liked
is usually not true. And whatever scenario you have in
your head that tells you that people need to behave

(35:33):
themselves as you then want to, this is a weak
scenario because you're missing from it. You do not have
your responsibility and your actions. This is not a scenario.
This is a kid's drawing on the wallpaper and the
moment Trump states something else and he likes making statements
that we usually take down the previous drawing from the

(35:56):
wall and we start drawing another kids drawing on this wall.
This is not an olds, this is not a strong position.
This is a panicky defense. And when you travel the
world and visit those shrines in India, you can see
from Afar how that inner Ukraine propaganda becomes so primitive.

(36:16):
That's why I'm telling to all these bloggers continue writing
about financial crash of Russia, about how much lund Musk
has lost, about European support and the garage military industrial
complex of Ukraine, and that you will be able to
do everything you want yourselves without any support. And the
main problem is that all these singers of this dugout

(36:37):
who think that they sing for Ukraine and those who
support them, they very often believe that they can enchant
the world with words, that if they just repeat the
words much enough, the world will change. It won't. It's
not even analysis what you see from there. It's a ritual.

(36:59):
Go every day Facebook and write something about bad Trump
and that Russia is about to collapse and Ukraine is
about to prevail. These people are not looking for truth.
They're looking for a way to not see truth, to
not acknowledge the real facts. And they're screaming to not
notice how much they're afraid. And the weaker the understanding

(37:21):
of real processes in the world in this group and
their responsibility where they got the country to the more
conspiracy theories you see, the weaker they present Trump. It's
a fanny mix of both treacherous and weak. It's the
same story they use about him as they did about
put in before when they accused Puttin of being an

(37:43):
old senile gramps hiding in a bunker, but at the
same time also a demonic figure that is destroying the world.
So how do do they make these two ideas live
in their head? About Trump? Trump is an enemy who
betrayed Ukraine at the same time with appeals to Trump
to strike Russia with nukes and save Ukraine. And that's

(38:06):
why I think Nikolai, that whole Ukrainian story is about
very weak and sick people that are representing the country. Now,
when you observe Ukrainians overseas in different countries, they're not weak,
they're smart. They're figuring things out. Look at the Polish economy.
Poles are complaining about Ukrainian business aggression, and it's not

(38:27):
an aggression, it's normal for Ukraines. They're made weak by
the dugout. The nationalism is the thing that kills them.
And we are at the point of choosing the projects,
and Trump and Putin tend to be on the side
of against the nationalistic project. But do not forget that
neither India, nor China nor Europe will support that dugout.

(38:51):
This is the norm in which human society is living
since nineteen forty five. If you want to play arcade games,
you don't really have other options. Why that project still exists?
Why is that the only project that prevails in Ukraine?
Because it was Bugdanthliniski society of the seventeenth century that
had the lords and the serfs, And the serfs are

(39:13):
dying these days in the groves, fighting on the front,
while the lords are resting in Monaco, and that system
cannot birth any good project. It's not even about ideology.
It's about also changing the way we interact societally, because
however you change ideology, if you maintain the same relations,

(39:36):
it'll birth the same ideology. If you separate your country
into lords and serfs, well you have eir limbed adoptions.
And whenever there is an outer external threat, that system
looks appealing. And of course Russia is right here next door,
so they keep that system. And I think the only
way for US is to re establish the governance, re

(39:57):
establish the country, amputate all the occupied territories just because
we cannot do anything about it, draw the clear border,
and take Trump's plan or perhaps international coalition in the
framework of the United Nations and start building new project

(40:19):
in Ukraine where Ukraine Liberation Army will probably be an
exhibit in a museum. Otherwise the country will die. Perhaps
not everybody, but till Nipper at least put in his
bluffing in the tempo of that warfare. It will take
him another three years probably to get to the river,
but without American aid it may speed up. And there
is no other exit. And now, who brought us to

(40:42):
the state Indian Tucker, damned musk No, we ourselves brought
ourselves here and are refusing technology. And that means that
the road out so far is through the cemetery. Do
you really want to tie yourself to the dead ideology?

(41:02):
Do you think that if somebody wrote Ukraine on some
dead entity that is Ukraine. No, Ukraine is much bigger
and has much more perspectives than this entity. However, many
Ukrainian flags do you stick into this thing that is
writing It's not going to be that Ukraine of the future. Yeah,

(41:28):
that's it, Alexi. Look, the only person who can affect
that internally is probably Presidents Againski. All these words, he
needs to hear them, he needs to really understand them,
not just listen to them, but hear it in his mind,

(41:49):
in his brain, in his way. Nikolay, I'm afraid he's
missing this organ. Nikola, you're using words that or in
that dug out reason is verbotan. The nationalistic side of
Ukraine is about pathos, is about emotions, It's not about reason.

(42:12):
Alumni his very western Ukrainian Fella the classic Type read
some of his recent posts how this narrow project is
throwing native Ukrainians scientists who made huge advancements in mathematics

(42:34):
and physics and medicine, who are getting evicted out of
the country. And by the way, there was another publication
recently that tract that Ukraine is experiencing the fastest decline
of scientists per capita among all the countries in the world,
with all the respect to book in afso we have
less scientists now. So that's why I'm saying this narrow

(42:56):
project for Ukraine is a dead project. And the main
bet that they keep making there, the main thing that
drives them is that empty emotional appeal that doesn't have
anything behind it, just an emotion pathos. The human can
operate in pathos, ethos and logos. Russia is definitely about logos.

(43:23):
They're very unethical, but they're very logical. Ukraine and Russia
both suffer in terms of ethics. Americans are logical but
ethical in most times. And this project that Ukraine is
betting on now is just pathos. Listen to official statements.

(43:44):
Five million drones, that's our politics, that's the conversation of
responsible people. Is that strategic communication will assemble five million
of UAVs in our garages. Guys. In nineteen ninety one,
this country had the second largest aerial military group in
the world, the biggest air defense systems cluster in Europe.

(44:06):
And now what also happened this week would also indicates
rather well, what happened? What is happening? One of the
Trump's aides came out and said that all the Ukrainian
nukes were Russian nukes, right, this is stupid, But the
fact that Ukrainian dugout as a response started moving and

(44:29):
started screaming that wait, this is a joint produced weapon.
We produced it together in the Soviet Union, Russia and
Ukraine and other republics. But wait a second, aren't you
the ones who are screaming that you were an oppressed colony,
that you were an oppressed territory. In the Soviet Union

(44:50):
arounder Russia. Show me anywhere in the world where a
colony had nuks were oppressed, territory had nuks, and you've
been screaming about that, and at the same time you're
also screaming about a colonial agreement that this is neo colonialism.
Do you think Soviet Union enforced any rare earth element

(45:13):
agreements onto Ukraine? Right? Giggles in a studio where was
it a colony? And then ale Khmak made a great statement, however,
you name your yacht and this is how it's going
to sail. You've been screaming about colony for so long
that you managed to become a colony, which you never
have been in the first place. This is just the

(45:34):
ideology of the dugout. This is not about rationale. These
people are not even seeing the logical statements of their
historical screams when they're chasing their own tails. We've been
a colony, but we had nukes in its hours, right, Well,
I like say, India could have said something here that

(45:55):
they've been a colony of Britain and Britain does have nukes, right,
and India has nukes too, But India made its own nukes. Oh,
they made their own. They did not. Yeah, no, they
so they did not demand it from Britain, right, Nikolai,
they did not. They unlike China that copied Russian aeronautics

(46:18):
space program, India decided that they'll be slower. But they
built their own and they built it up from the bolt.
And the more the longer I observe them, the more
unlike their path here in Ukraine, were screaming about nukes
that we will rebuild somehow, and we have some foggy
statements about Gitomir project. But guys, this rhetoric looks very

(46:42):
specific from the outside. This is the rhetoric of a
ten year old guys who were jumping above the fence
and saying, hey, you maybe not aent ten year old
six year old who is jumping on the trampoline behind
the fence and saying, my dad will come out and
kick your butt. Where do these ideas about conducting elections

(47:09):
in Ukraine under United Nations guidance come from. They come
from the world observing our rhetoric. What we're doing here.
They're saying that you guys are all nuts. We're seeing
what you're doing, not because you're resisting put In. We
all do resist put In, But the level of your rhetoric,

(47:30):
the level of the vocabulary you use, how you connect
things together. You cannot be considered as a serious country
the country that says that they'll produce in the garage
five million UAVs, that they're building some nukes in Gentomer.
This is how world powers position themselves. Are you sure

(47:53):
that actually creates an urge with some people to call
some medical brigade and take the whole territory of Ukraine
under the protection of United Nations or something. Unfortunately, I
understand that this is the current image, current brand of
Ukraine out there. We are not our citizens are not

(48:16):
all like that. But our speed of decline is definitely
exceeding the speed of issues that Tesla is having based
on Masks recent operations. Yet in Ukraine they're screaming about
Musk and they're refusing to observe how quickly their own
stock is falling down. They're planning to have any support

(48:37):
from Ukraine from Europe. Europe will not be able to
support you, because their main logic is the longer Ukraine resists,
the better Europe will be able to speed up their
military industrial complex and they will split it up, but
at the cost of lives of Ukrainian kids. Are you
sure that's how you want to proceed. Make a choice, Alexei.

(49:00):
When you say make a choice, it's one person who
needs to make it. I think Nikolay not so much.
It's about a couple million people who are supportive of
Zelensky now, who are mixing the dugout with the Ukraine.
What can these people do, Alexei, In your view, while
they can stop supporting Zelensky, how how do you mean?

(49:23):
Very simply, when Zelenski ratings will be zero with his rhetoric,
this is when United Nations project will be much closer
to be implemented, or peace treaty much closer to be implemented.
If we stop supporting that narrow project dugout, we will

(49:47):
stop a bunch of inner conflicts. Nobody will be attacking
people who are listening to some music in Russian. This
is not problem in Zelenski. This is not a problem
with nukes. This is the problem that Ukrainians are ready
to fight each other and strangle their neighbor because they
do not express certain support to the position taken by Zelenski.

(50:10):
Because there are people believing in Ukrainian narrow project, nationalistic project,
and they want everybody to be uniform supportive of them.
And there are some people who voluntarily support this project
and they're trying to smash everybody else's head with this project.
This is not exactly Zilanski rating Evan. This is about

(50:32):
the rating of Ukrainians in regards to each other. Ukrainians
are not united, They're split. This is a very split society.
How are you going to resist anybody in these conditions,
like say, two central signals coming at the same time,

(50:53):
President Prashenka was doing exactly the same President Zelenski standing
at the stadium was saying, and he basically turned into Parashanka,
the worst version of him, right, he turned into Parshanka.
Parshanka at least did not betray anyone. He just invented
that army speech and faith ideologically, and he drifted from
his position where he started. He's the founder of the

(51:16):
region's party, he was the cleric of the Moscow Patriarchy Church,
and he drifted to that national version of Ukraine, nationalistic
version of Ukraine. Zalanski drifted way further from his original position.
Did not forget about Ukrainians overseas or just abroad outside

(51:41):
of the country who did not want to come back.
When my dear, the commander of the UAV brigade comes
out and says in his interview that when the war
will be over, I'll take my family and leave this
country in three days. What is that about, oh, I say,
this is exactly about that thing, that the war should
not be stopped. This is what Zelanski is doing. We

(52:01):
are the four posts of Europe and we need to
be continuously fighting. Right. Look, this is not Aristovich who
is saying that you need to leave Ukraine. Aristovich says
you need to come back and build a new country.
My dad, one of the symbolic figures of this war
is saying the opposite has successful detachment, speaking Ukrainian, shooting
down Russian UAV is using our technology. Aristovich in Russian

(52:27):
is saying that you need to come back to Ukraine
and make a new country, while Madaro, in a very
beautiful Ukrainian says you've got to leave this country. As
far as you can see, this is the cost of
the nationalistic project. This is not Zelensky project. This is
the philosophy project. And those people who are supportive of it.
The third, that very loud third illoge ideologically charged thirty

(52:52):
percent of the country and is being supported by the
government as the main project of Ukraine. That project needs
to be liquidated, it needs to live, and the ideological
garbage can in the museum somewhere. And two thirds of
people who are being taken hostage, they either fail to
recognize that or they are afraid to go against it,

(53:12):
and they probably would if not the government authority pressing
them in a different way, which they're doing, and they're
continuing with the propaganda to preserve their own power. This
is how that scheme works. This is not just the
landscape Parashanka fault. Instead of building the normal country, they

(53:35):
figured out this deadly niche of a deadly, deadly ideological
project for Ukraine. But it unfortunately continues to support them
and the exit here. It's either Trump or Putin that
will remain remove them, or we will have to do it.
And as long as you are not formed well, you

(53:55):
cannot be treated by partners in the international arena seriously
because and that's not our main problem, because the moment
they try to rely on you, you will dissipate. If
they want to amputate certain regions. We need to make
sure we do that ourselves. If we would come out

(54:17):
and said, okay, to help with the Russians, take these
four territories, but let's organize free movement of services, goods
and people of Ukrainian citizens, and this is all possibly
organizable if we would go for that deal, because otherwise
they will still enforce it upon us, either within the
four districts that they mentioned or perhaps in six if

(54:39):
they continue fighting and capture a couple more. If we
would go for what Finland did after the Second World
War and would have said, okay, we accept these terms,
we would have gotten a chance to reset the project
to build a better Ukraine, to build a different Ukraine.
Would still be one of the biggest countries in Europe,
with a huge potential, but we would have removed that

(55:01):
poisoning anti vitamin, that poisoning chemical from our body, and
we could have gotten a better world than before the war. Yes,
missing some territories, but again free Ukraine with new potential.
And this is the only option that we have because
six months later they'll be talking about six districts, then
about seven, and will still come to that point, but

(55:24):
just with bigger losses in the same fashion as it
was back in twenty two. This week there are a
lot of publications that there was a conflict between millions,
illusioning that one attack the other. We had the situation before,
right back in twenty two. We failed to use that
situation when Russian army was at the bottom, Russian ideology
was scraping the bottom. When after their defeat and Hirsun

(55:45):
District and when Heimer started working on the front, they
understood what will happen on the front if the West
will be serious about supporting Ukraine. When they lost a
lot of four operating bases and command officers, we had
a great chance to stop the war them we conducted
count offensive and political goals. It was very poorly organized

(56:07):
and that was a very breaking point for us. And
since then we have not become smarter. But then we
had seven percent of territory occupied something like that. Today
it's fifteen and we're repeating the same mistake. Today we
will get a lot of support if we agree to that.
Tomorrow there probably will be no support. The second time.

(56:30):
When you step on this rake, it is not the
fault of the rake, it's the fault of a human.
As somebody said, if you're a thirty year old and
you're buying cakes with shit, it's not the seller's fault.
It's your fault. That's it. End of the first hour.

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