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➤ 00:00 Alexander Shelest: On-air poll – why is Zelensky going to meet Trump?
➤ 02:16 Will the war end by the end of the year? Increased mobilization measures, electronic conscription in Russia.
➤ 05:46 Trump: Is World War III cancelled and will there be a sudden reconciliation?
➤ 07:40 What are the warring parties entering the winter military campaign with?
➤ 13:01 Humanitarian crisis and attempts to increase mobilization in Ukraine.
➤ 15:13 System of relations in the Ukrainian army.
➤ 19:05 Governability of Ukraine.
➤ 25:00 An example of Ukraine's defense attitude on the border with Belarus.
➤ 26:47 Zelenskyy's raider takeover of Kyiv (Klitschko) and Odesa (Trukhanov). And the transformers in the cities are unprotected. The cities may become uninhabitable in the near future. Why should Zelenskyy concentrate power if he can't manage it?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Expo. Hello everybody. Sorry for a bit of a technical
issues at the beginning, but a lot of things are
happening around peace and the Middle East. Mccron is shaking
Trump's hand, and we with Alexei Ristovich, are going to
follow all these events, including the war in Nukraine. Of course,
thank everybody for joining us today. Everything is rather traditional.

(00:23):
We are discussing all the hot events of this weekqure
code next to me is an opportunity to ask a question,
and we will start our stream with questions. Of course,
obviously there are different groups watching us, the club of
my viewers and of course people brought here by Alexei

(00:47):
and his following. But please don't be shy ask questions.
In the live chat, we of course once again remind
you about the QR codes. One will lead you to questions,
another will lead you to the school of thought and
communication by Alexei. So if you want to discover more

(01:10):
about yourself, they have a lot of new seminars, new
lectures and of course philosophy. So join and let's start
traditionally with the usual question of the stream. Today's question
is as follows, why is the Lensky coming to visit

(01:33):
Trump to get conditions in terms for the end of
war to beg and try to persuade mister Trump to
his side, or to just hide from bombs and electric
shortages and go to someplace safe. So what do you
think our viewers, Alexei, what is your opinion how I

(01:56):
think it's all of the options together. I think he's
solving the big complex of questions, how to solve this
coming winter and issues related to that, where to find money,
how to defend from Russian missiles, and everything is getting
faster and harder. So a lot of people are saying,

(02:20):
ale say that the media are not fully disclosing all
the topics that these two will be discussing and looking
by Trump's mood today in the Middle East, there were
a lot of finalizing meetings in Egypt and Middle East.
Do you think that might be finalizing and symbolizing the

(02:41):
meetings for the end of the war in Ukraine as well, Alexander,
I think you're mixing things together. Middle East is different.
I don't see how that relates to the end of
the Ukraine War. No, so listen, the fact that he

(03:03):
helped Israel to find peace in the Gaza with Palestine
Witkoff's statements that things are getting more peaceful, Alex say, yeah.
By the way, he did mention that everything closing and
coming to an end, and Middle East promotes the next

(03:25):
step in getting peace in the war in Ukraine. Well,
there might have been some promises there around it. Russia
is tied with Middle East, but I did not see
that affecting the war in Ukraine. In Russia, meantime, they're
starting to send electronic drafting notes and those who do

(03:47):
not respond do not come to a drafting commission. As
the result, they cannot leave the country. They are prohibited
from leaving Russia. So you think it's an escalation, Well,
I think the escalation will be their prepared The first
hits with tomahawks will indicate or mean the speeding up
of mobilization process in Russia. It never really ceased to stop.

(04:10):
It was an ongoing but looking at these technical steps
and dimitrimitivative tweets and put in statements, they are presenting
it as tomahawks, meaning that the United States are joining
this war. And they're also saying that since we do

(04:31):
not know if tamahawk is a nuclear tomahawk or regular missile,
over the regular workhead. They use it as an excuse
to conduct additional mobilization, and they do need mobilization. According
to recent data, they start to lose more people on
the front than they actually are getting the other draft

(04:51):
at the moment, so they cannot increase their efforts in
Ukraine to finish it, regardless of Puttin statements that he
wants to finish the whole thing by capturing Ukraine or
finishing with an excursion. They do not have resource now.
And you can also acknowledge some of the Russian troops
showing up more and more on the borders with Baltic countries.

(05:12):
They do need more than twenty of those, maybe twenty
thousand of those. They need a bigger group on the
border with those countries to threaten and to create pressure.
And where do you find them. Of course, they will
be talking about perhaps drafting more of the eighteen year olds,
but in Russia attention point, the draft spans eighteen to

(05:34):
thirty year olds, so there's a bigger group, and now
they are trying to draft them electronically or get them
to come to the drafting point electronically. This all looks
like advanced mobilization steps well, look, Alexai, according to the doctrine,

(05:56):
they will not need to do mobilization. But we should
be expecting from Russia as an answer to a Tomahawk missile,
some nuclear attack, and maybe not only Ukraine but also
in the Western country actively participating in this war in
some fashion. But meantime, Trump is saying today that the

(06:17):
Third World War is being canceled, so I don't think
he will be giving tomahawks to zelanskaan That's why he
is calling him to that meeting. All listen. If they
will be a nucleus strike, they will need a bigger
mobilization because for any use of nukes in any war,
you need a lot more mobilized troops, and they will

(06:41):
cancel a lot of rights that will just go forward
with mobilization. In this case, that'll be an excuse. If
that escalation goes through, they will definitely start drafting a
lot more people. But am I getting it right, Alexander,
that you are hinting at all these statements that there
is some path forward to a piece deal here between

(07:02):
Trump and Putain Exactly like I say, I am actually
bringing miss Timoshenka, Yula Timashenka, who recently said that she
is aware of some processes happening, and just wait, guys
a little bit. There is a process going on that
will help to finish this war, Alexander. Anybody can come
out before her. There are other figures, other political figures,
coming out and saying that the war will be done

(07:23):
with in the next month or by the end of
the year. I currently do not see any reason for
this war to stop. I do see revival of negotiation
track somewhere around the spring of twenty six. But winter
campaign is almost inevitable. All right, Let's analyze it somewhat objectively.

(07:47):
What do both sides bring to the winter campaign. Let's
ignore the factor of tomahawks. There's a lot of noise
around it, and I think this is a lot of
noise about nothing. They of course presented today that launch
unit at the exhibit that reminds of Pimer's the way
it looks, it fits for tomahawks, and apparently it has

(08:11):
been manufactured perhaps though it's still somewhat experimental model. But okay,
let's disregard the statements about nukes from Russia and mobilization.
What other forces do both sides bring to the table
for the winter campaign Alexander. Ukraine has big problems now.

(08:33):
Today there was a big post that made a lot
of noise that even battle hardened troops are leaving their detachments.
Modiana Bezugla did comment that we essentially have those who
went to a well will have about two hundred thousand
people in that state. And our current staffing for our

(08:58):
troops is at the level of twenty to three thirty percent,
which is according to standards, is not a battleworthy He's
not ready for a fight, even on the peace terms.
So we do have serious problems with mobilization, with having
troops on the front, in the infantry. This is the
center point problem of Ukraine. Even if each Ukrainian soldier

(09:18):
will get a Tomahawk, this problem will not be solved
this way. This is a different theater, different sphere of
fighting this war. And let's imagine that tomahawks destroyed all
Russian oil refineries and half of the generals are killed
at the command post, we blew up half of their ammunitions.

(09:41):
That will not affect their infantry on the front much.
Ours will not get thicker, Our infantry will won't have
more troops on the front, and theirs might get additional blood.
So this is the main problem for Ukraine, and we
either need to conduct over mobilization effort because really you

(10:03):
cannot solve this deficiency in any other way. So how
do you want to mobilize everybody, Alexei, Well, you need
to bring the age of mobilization down to eighteen. And
we already have some of the congressmen coming out with
suggestions that we need to start building pre soldiers. Troops

(10:27):
grouped a training of sixteen to eighteen, so by the
time they get to eighteen, they will be trained. Well, yeah,
there were talks about that, but that's not from the
good life, Alexander. Of course, you can shove it under
the rug. You can pretend it's not a problem. Same
as they're doing with the heating season. And you saw

(10:49):
how they came out with a statement saying that heating
season is not going to start until December and we
might have big issues everywhere. And then they observe the
reaction of the public, which was a lot of rage.
They came out and said, oh no, no, no, disrect our
previous statements. Will try to do everything on time, and
what they're doing likely they will continue the old practice

(11:09):
of you know, they launched a couple houses with heating
in the district, and then they'll say, yeah, we did
start the heating season that date, even though ninety eight
percent of a district is still without heat. And side note,
this is due to centralized heating systems. In Ukraine and
East European countries. Very few houses have their own heating
systems separate from the grid. Most of them are on

(11:32):
the centralized grid. So yeah, another problem is and the
main problem that we have is really having infantry in
the third line, first line. We're not even talking about
the second line, a third line that is needed to
rest to intercept different operations Russians are doing in the front.
And now, as we discussed, they are trying to try

(11:56):
to increase mobilization in Ukraine, and they're also a lot
of requests coming to the government to stop deceiving people
about the problems because such approach usually does not survive,
does not provide survival for the country. So if they
will continue doing mobilization and starting to increase, it likely

(12:16):
will be not enough. They'll be looking at the possible elections,
and they also are considering that there might be a
revolt from people because of the increased mobilization effort and
combined with already existing upset with lack of working sewer systems,
electrical issues and heating season. You saw in one of

(12:41):
the cities recently when their sewage was not working and
they were turning off electricity. On top of that, people
started blocking highways and that escalates pretty quickly, and Russia
is increasing their attacks in our infrastructure, electric and other
grids that we have. So the government of Ukraine, the

(13:02):
powers will have to face a lot of most serious
issues which they don't even know how to solve. At
the point, they do not have a plan for emergency actions.
They do not have a plan how to transfer energy
systems to an emergency state if its major part of
it fails. They do not have a plan how to

(13:26):
provide for continuous manufacturing in the companies when the altristo
will be cut off. They do not have plans for mobilization.
They also failing to address existing issues in the society
that prevent people from joining the military, and they try
to even ignore that out of the attempts how they

(13:50):
try to intensify mobilization. We can recall their attempt to
create an electronic app that is not really working and
definitely not working for bringing people to the drafting points,
and according to the military estimates, yeah, it's non functional.

(14:13):
And they tried to gather more people from bigger cities
and the measures were very grotesque. They failed to get
the numbers they were aiming for, and this method only
created additional irritation with the populace as well as military
on the front because all these attempts to pay money

(14:37):
to the younger people coming to serve did cause a
lot of questions with those who are already on the front.
There are people who are also eighteen nineteen who went
voluntarily to the front and didn't get this million or
eveness payment. So if there are no real answers to that,
there will not be a real motivation. You can, of

(14:59):
course conduct enforced mobilization, but in addition to an existing
or slow rolling crisis, crisis of electricity, energy systems, supplies
and all that, that can lead to a serious revolt
in the society. All right, let's say, let's continue another
topic here related to Berlin. I. Now, yesterday, the day

(15:22):
before that, Lutzenka Beezugla commented about people leaving their units
and going into a wole, and they were pasting that
we're losing coupons the Propolia recapture by US as fake news.
So they're pointing towards the all segment of the army,

(15:43):
which now reaches about two hundred thousand. You can imagine
only how bad things are if there is a term
normal able, like there is a normal and abnormal way
to go to an a wole. So the normal one
implies a soldier making a payment to his commander in

(16:06):
order for them not to notice them or not to
search for them actively. And then they find they are
found cooking different items, meals for the army. Sometimes sometimes
they're building some houses for the generals. Sometimes they're doing
some other alternative work, but serving in the front. So

(16:30):
Ukrainian Army, with all the propped up advertising for Azov
and Pilatsky, we're here to live, We're here to continue fighting. Sure,
these people will live. What about the rest, Well, that's
actually a big question whether these guys will remain alive
because if Rusians will continue advancing in the same speed

(16:53):
and same pace they're doing now, even Asov will be
out of troops, they'll eventually either big grind it down
to zero in this attempts to try to stop Russians
or they will revolt as well because of ineffective of
the existing government and effectivity. One needs to understand that
the system of relations in the Ukraine and army is
a problem. Number one. Everything is warped, everything is anti humane,

(17:19):
everything is very corrupt there on all the communication lines
from commanders down to the infantryman, from infantrymen to their commanders.
And for Ukraine in order to survive and continue fighting
and continue resisting Russia in some capacity, it depends upon
the big changes in the Ukraine military and Ukraine armed forces.
In National Guard the situation is a bit better and

(17:41):
the border guard situation is better, but Army is horrible,
and it all goes up to the top to Commander
Sirsky and he's in circles same as commander of the
detachment is responsible for about eighty five percent of what's
happening in his unit in a peace time. During wartimes,

(18:03):
he is responsible for that for one hundred and ten percent.
And the inability to take responsibility for these things because,
by the way, the only boss of Versirski is Ziyanski.
There is also a Minister of defense, but he is
on the side, he's not affecting him in this fashion.
And inability to change the system of relations, system of

(18:24):
communications in the military, which is a key to solving
the way we fight on the front. This is a
central problem for Ukraine, the horror that is unfolding in
the system of relations of Ukraine military, starting with a draft,
ending with the dismissal and the payments. This is the
zone where the introduction of some order will have will

(18:50):
bring us some capacity to continue fighting and to continue
resisting Russia. Inability to change anything in this sphere will
lead us to imminent catastrophe. You know, Alexei, it seems
that the catastrophe is already upon us. It is an
ongoing catastrophe, Alexander. Catastrophe is to define it when you

(19:15):
will be really in a heart of it. Even the
most pros lensky Is optimists in the media will not
be able to state that, hey, everything is good when
catastrophe will be obvious. That's the one that I'm talking about.
So then it implies that it will be a loss
of Trump as well. Yeah, it will be a loss

(19:36):
for Trump in this case too, because, as alex say,
the insiders and Financial Times are writing today that city.
Then kan Amte of different delegations are coming to visit
Trump's government, and then Zelenski arrives to meet Trump. And
this is presented in a rather unfair uplifting way that

(20:02):
United States are providing defenses, and we can see that
nobody's really defending anybody. Those people who live in the
townships where electricity is being turned off for several hours
a day, they do see that all these networks and
infrastructure nothing stops these drones or these missiles. They see

(20:27):
it going and hitting the target that was programmed in
it somewhere in Russia. And then the Zelensky government comes
out and screams that yes, yes, we will protect you
from that, and that's why I'm coming to see Trump.
But it is a different topic. Seems like they're discussing. Yes,
they did designate two billion dollars for Ukraine. It's a

(20:51):
big amount, but it's not going to solve everything. And
probably by the spring of twenty six they will figure
out how to give us money from the frozen Russian assets.
So good, But what Trump said today, he is not

(21:13):
giving money to Zelenski or Ukraine. He is giving respect,
which is funny, and something else. What something else is
in this case, alex Say, Alexandra. The key moment here
is not money, is the quality of management. That's the
key point. Israel is a great example that it's not
money that are solving everything. In nineteen forty seven, they

(21:35):
had no money, really, and they didn't even have good
water or enough of it. Even now it's a big
continuous issue, yet they are making huge advancements in defense sector,
in scientific sectors. It's the quality of management and it's
the quality of people that solves it. A lot of
things can be solved this way. Ukraine has fantastic rich soil.

(22:00):
We can plant and grow anything here. But let's, for example,
take defense of our ground targets and it has two aspects,
passive defense and active defense. Active defenses US destroying Russian
capability to attack US, so destroying munitions, destroying their launchers

(22:21):
that's long range missiles. This is a separate story. But
passive defense and there is also defensive activities, right, that's
when you have air defense units that is destroying most
of what's flying your way. And then there is passive defense.
For example, the scandal in Kiev that some of the

(22:42):
transformers are not covered. The main electric station that is
distributing electricity for the city that was not defended. And okay,
so who's in charge of that? Well interesting point. Zelensky
is accusing Kiev mayerd Kiev mayor is accusing Zielenski. It
is difficult to hit the transformer with the drone itself.

(23:04):
They usually hit something nearby, explode nearby, and then the
sharpnel destroys the transformer. So what we could have done,
of course, you could have added additional concrete blocks around it.
You could put other defense elements around it, just to
protect it from sharpnel. It's difficult to hit it directly.
You could just use other options to defend it. I'm

(23:26):
not even talking about intercepting and more active defenses. But
if we're not conducting passive defense measures in the Capitol
in the right amount, I wouldn't remind you that two
years ago we got fifty billion grivna's to our directorate
for defenses of an infrastructure and nothing. There was a

(23:50):
big noise. There was a lot of noise in Congress.
They sealed the records of this meeting so that people
would not know where did these almost two billion dollars
went to Is it about money or is it about
the quality of leadership? We had the money, the way
they were spent, the way it was organized was horrible.

(24:11):
If by the end of the fourth year of this war,
we cannot protect our power plants in the capitol. I
understand that big electric factory. You know, it's difficult to
protect it. Understand it from ballistics or something, but transformer.
All you need to do really just to protect it passively.

(24:34):
You can plant the rigibles in the air to make
it difficult to get to this area. Nothing is done,
and it's all about the quality of management. And I
will remind you with an example from my own biography.
Before the war in twenty twenty one, when there were
migrants storming the Polish border. Remember right, there was a threat,

(24:56):
an existing problem, right, I was an advisor to the
Office of the President and power ministers made a decision
that Ukraine Belarus border needs to be well protected by
all kinds of barbed wire or different barriers. So decision
is being made of this level that eight kilometers per

(25:17):
day will be covered. There should be thirty two kilometers
covered in four days. Four days later there is a
big meeting between the several star generals, National Guard, military
Border Guards, Minister of Defense. And here we discover that
suddenly that only eight kilometers of wire were put in

(25:42):
place over four days, so we're behind four times from
the schedule. By that time, we already had Russian troops
on our borders, put in Biden, were going to meet.
There were already all signs of impainting, doom and the war.
Then when I am present at this meeting, I pose

(26:07):
a question who was punished for not meeting the schedule?
Then the generals. That creates a pause in the general's answer,
and then after the meeting they don't give me any answer.
And then some person comes to me after this meeting
and says, alex say, if we start punishing them, they
will not even do anything. And here I understand that Ukraine,

(26:30):
if it is to survive this war, this aggression from Russia,
it can only be explained by some divine intervention. There
is nothing else that can protect us. Alexey, I think
it is a little too late to punish anybody in
this case. However, speaking of the Overton windows, you did
mention Kiev, it's indeed the circus. What is happening in

(26:52):
our capital between Klichikov, the mayor of the city, and Kachenka,
who is leading the civil and military administration for the district.
And Klichko is recording messages like some activists and social media,
even though he has his own power. He's the first

(27:15):
representative of power for Kiev. He's walking on that bridge
that he was the one who funded, who organized that
they provided coverage and protection for different electric power stations,
but they failed to protect the transfer grade. And yet

(27:38):
Zelensky is resisting and attacking Clichko. It's understandable what he
wants to do. He wants to get Kiev under his
own zone of influence, remove publicly elected mayor Clitko, and
play somebody of his own team. He wants to push
Druhanov somewhere under the baseboard so he would not be

(27:59):
thorn in his And there are a lot of information
coming out how Trukhanov is now scared with all these
actions by Zelenski. He actually recorded a separate message saying
that it's a fake. I never had Russian passport. All
these accusations are lies. So there is essentially like a

(28:22):
raiders capture of Kiev and Odessa from publicly elected figures
to Zelenski's administration. He wanted to expand his control over
these centers since he became a president. But now it
is being done in a critical escalation moment during this war.

(28:43):
How can that be explained by? What ideas for the future?
What do you think about it? Listen, Alexander, It's simple
to explain the actions of the office. It connect only
due to three reasons. Reason number one is looking for budget.
This is all about all these international activities, all getments

(29:05):
of statements about Ukrainian economy, attacking some poor OnlyFans girls
from Ukraine who try to make some money, so money raising.
That's one. Second is protection from potential revolt, so any
action that may threaten the government they try to call it.

(29:27):
And the third angle is future elections, possible elections. For example,
why are they lying about country offensive in the Brapolia
Because they have to lie outwardly to present Ukrainian success
so that they would be giving more money to Ukraine.
And if you continue funding us, we will show more success.
Even though everybody in the Ukrainian Army knows that this

(29:49):
is bullshit. About any advances in the Propolia by Ukraine.
Now why Zelensky is fighting Trukhanov Odessa and Klichko in Kiev,
Because only Kiev and Odessa can assure your victory in

(30:09):
both parliament and presidential elections. So many voters are living
in these two districts that both cities agglomerations are the
decisive points that you need to capture in order to win.
In both cities. Mayors are, to say the least, not
the fans of current power. That's why and his administration

(30:30):
are targeting them. Because what is a threat to remove citizenship?
This is essentially a threat to attack a person outside
the court system the way they can. And this is
not the first attempt to do it this way. There
were previous attempts to attack people like this. By the way,

(30:52):
you and myself talking sanctioned people here, right, I am
not a sympathizer of Drukhanov, but as somebody who is
already sanctioned, I am standing up for him even if
he had Russian citizenship back in the day, because from
the point of our laws, taking away Ukrainian citizenship is

(31:12):
essentially an attempt to break the back of the legally
elected mayor of the city. Now it is a critical
moment in this war, because situation may be so dire
in both townships that people will start fleeing these cities
by thousands, by hundreds of thousands, and then situations will
get even worse. Meantime, while Zelensky is fighting Klichkov and

(31:38):
Rukhanov transformer stations, the ones that Russians keep attacking are
still not protected. It will take you four hours to
just bring some sandbags around them. Fourth year of this war. Now,
speaking of Zeransky's style, he is usually the way he manages.

(31:59):
He points finger at somebody and says, this is the
zone of responsibility of mister X, and this is not
my direct responsibility. I do my own things. I manage
those people who are to supervise that, and if that
doesn't work, I will punish the person who is in
charge of it. His problem is that he does not
understand that it's not how it works. If you really

(32:22):
want to take care of that, because you either take
ownership and you make sure that whoever is responding to you,
whoever is deemed responsible for it, is reporting to you
on their process, or you're just washing your hands off
from this problem. Ziginski is in continuous position of Pontio's pilot.
I think after the war he might write in some

(32:43):
interview from Britain, answering the question how did Russians capture
the whole Ukraine while you were a president? He'd probably
say in this case that listen. As a president, I
did everything. It was Klitchko, Sirsky and Ruhanav who failed.
I was doing my best. I was fulfilling all my duties.
This is not how it works in real life. It

(33:04):
works only if you take ownership. If nobody is listening
to you, you have to find people, just bring them on
your truck and post them there to make defense. Even
if you, as a president, have to go there, take
a shovel and participate in defending it. This is not

(33:26):
the time to point fingers and figure out who is
in charge of whom. This is a time to first
make sure that your transforming units are defended, are protected.
Silensky government does not even making an attempt to do that.
Transform a unit is either defended or it's not protected
or not. Ifikov continue fighting, who is in charge as

(33:52):
a president. Make sure that Kaschenka takes his own sandbags,
brings them on his own vehicle and puts them there.
If he cannot organize it, if he cannot provide and
manage it, he needs to go there himself and fulfill
this job, and send perhaps Andrey Beadyssovitch to help him.

(34:15):
He looks big enough, and he might help Kachenka to
dig and put things around faster. Everything is very simple
at the end. Transformer is it protected or not? And
it is not right now Kievans have no water, no sewage,
no electricity in many parts of the city. And this
is just the first attempt of the first attack of
this kind to extinguish Kiev and other cities. Russians will

(34:38):
continue doing that. There'll be more and more of them.
There will be a continuous cycle of them. Kiev can
physically become an unlivable area in the near future for
most people. While these two will be continuously arguing over
who responsibilit who is responsible for bringing sandbacks and how
much money could have been stolen around it. But as

(35:00):
the result, the transformer is not protected. Don't give a
damn about who is right who is wrong. It is
not protected, should have been not yet. So you, if
you are in charge, you need to find ways how
to organize that, and if nothing works, you have to
go to blich Coop, visit him personally, and then explain that, hey,

(35:20):
let's come to agreement. We'll fight later, let's finish this
problem to keep our city liverable. Let you and I
go there. You will put the sandbags and I'll be
digging the forts around it, and people will see that
mayor and president are working to defend their cities. And

(35:43):
then he has to go to Odessa and doing the
same thing there again. I'll be holding the bag and
you'll be shoveling sand in it, and then the next
bag will change roles, and then we do it over
and over again till we protect all the transformers, and
they're either protected or not. There are no other excuses. Currently,
all that situation is used to just intercept electoral perspectives

(36:09):
during the future elections. Now answer the question, what do
you think they're thinking about about the victory in this
war or about winning in the next possible elections and
getting more power, more money, concentrating everything in their own hands.
I have a question, why do you need all this
power with that concentration, with all the mayors removed when

(36:33):
you can't even use it like you already have a
ton of power, a ton of authority, yet your transformers
are still not protected. You can concentrate it to the
absolute monarchy if you want. Do you think the sendbacks
will start appearing near the transformers magically? No, they just
don't know how to use this authority physically. Alexey sociology

(36:55):
is showing us some scary numbers. Thirty six percent do
not want neither Parashenka nor Zelenski. People do not even
want them to be in politics anymore. And those two
figures were taken as an example, and a lot of

(37:20):
people underline they don't want political persecution in the future.
Thirty six percent still insist that these two people should
not be in politics anymore. Plus neither Zaluzhni nor Buddhanov
attention to that point, even though they're pretty close, Zelensky

(37:41):
is not winning over either of those. If the elections
go to the second round and then there is more
comparison between presidents. Zelensky has the highest mark from the
populace compared to other presidents, yet he is not winning
in the second around. That politician is of a strange destiny,

(38:04):
I think, and what indicator are Buddhana Fanzolutionary, then if
you can believe this sociological study is that the witness
that Ukrainian wants some military junta. And I'm being blunt here,
this only insists on one thing, Alexander, that this is

(38:29):
so hopeless that they're grasping and straws. The political field
in Ukraine is so hopeless that they're grasping at something
that at least has some promise. The difference between Zalensky,
Budanav and Solutionary is that Zelensky is actually performing his
duties and you can judge his activity. Nobody can judge

(38:51):
how Budhanav will be performing his duties. Most people don't
know how he performs right now, and of course they
don't know how much is Solutionary capable of right now,
because he is an ambassador and his activities are not
too transparent either. These are just media pictures that are
created by media who can possibly protect. The temptation to

(39:17):
bring military to power during war especially is huge. But
I can make a prediction here if you want, Oh sure, Alexai, Yeah,
our viewers love it the resolution of an electoral situation.
Whenever elections happen will shock everybody who made some projections

(39:41):
where the military will be there, who will prevail? People
want military now because right now it's pressing. It's military
questions that are pressing there and taking their attention. After
a winter, it'll be a different story after a peace treaty.
It's a third story. After occupation part of Ukraine, more
of Ukraine by Russia is a different story. Again, so

(40:03):
now I can understand or population grasping at some straws
and looking for military figures to try to save this.
As for Ziedanski, it's a different estimate. It's an estimate
of his activity and his effectivity as the president. It
even if you imagine that this is a perfect crystal
clear Paul, thirty six percent one out of three are

(40:28):
telling GTFO from politics, I would say it is a
catastrophe for a presidential figure. The question they asked is
not about whether people want to re elect him. People
are answering that he should not be in politics. This
is a whole other story. It means people are angry
at his figure still being in politics, so they completely

(40:51):
denounce anything that he does and don't want to see
him there. And this is just after the first serious
attacks and energy systems this year by Russia. Let's live
and see what happens more. I think if you do
that polling in January it'll be even more interesting. And
recently we had a message from one of the servicemen

(41:16):
I think with the backdrop of Ki of railway station,
who was basically telling Zelensky to get the f out
of office. He's failing. And this had millions of views
on a ton of supportive messages. This is essentially a
social media polling. The tragedy of Zelensky office is that
it is inadequate. It is inadequate to the tasks that

(41:39):
the country is facing right now. Alex say, wait, are
Ukrainians adequate? How do you estimate our population? This is
a fascinating story overall that one poll says that Zelensky
is a great president twenty two. Meantime in Ukraine are

(42:02):
calling themselves poor, destitute, majority calling themselves middle level of prosperity,
middle class ish. And it's an interesting specific story here
when people are starting to ask questions how much money
you have? Apparently we discover that everybody is destitute, even

(42:25):
those who do not feel themselves like this. In addition
to that, two percent consider themselves to be citizens of USSR,
two percent citizens of Europe, almost four percent, citizens of
the world. Almost five percent are communists. And this is
a messy potlock of all kinds of opinions, and many

(42:46):
people have just chosen to say that seventeen percent are nationalists.
So if one can connect that nationalism pro Ukrainian nationalism
with the level of life, sociology is failing to make

(43:08):
that connection. Listen, Alexandra. Citizens do not think like that.
When they're already suppressed and demolished by the horror of
what's happening, and the perspectives are only for the worse.
They grasp at whatever they can find. They are in
a state when they cannot think logically, when they cannot

(43:29):
connect complex things together. For that, you need to have
certain preparedness, a desire, a state of mind. They only
have horror. Imagine what they're thinking about. Imagine a middle
aged man what his current worry is. What if right
tomorrow I won't have sewage, electricity and water in my apartment?

(43:52):
What is a mom of two kids thinking? What do
elderly think? So we cannot expect logical reaction from people.
They can present us with emotional reaction, and they grasp
it whatever stability they can find, and they hate those
who try to present some logic. You and I, by
the way, are an example of hatred because we appeal
to logic and they telling us, a lot of them

(44:14):
are telling us get the f out of here with theologic.
Give us some illusion because illusion and fairy tales and
myths are something they want now. And then they see Budana,
who is in his usual manner, says it's okay, we
will prevail. Forget about dishes. Budhana's rating is growing. Solutionary
comes out and says that this new type of warfare

(44:36):
makes certain decisions important. We will make these decisions. We
will prevail over the enemy. And people are screaming yay,
hail to Solutionary. He is a savior. Can you explain
to me, Alexay, why Ukrainian people think it's a saving
pathway when it implies that they will have to fight

(44:58):
for another decade when nothing will be over tomorrow. What
is inspiring well, Because Alexander, they're being drunk with perspectives
because they know that, and they're being told that if
you lose, they'll be butcher the size of the whole country.
You will all be killed. That's on one side of
the weights. That's what scares them well. And it's not

(45:24):
just the fact that it probably won't be a butcher,
but it's probably with starting what would it mean to
lose in this war? Here media is exploiting the holy
wound of people. The war is presented as either victory
or complete entire annihilation. All those who discuss intermediary options

(45:49):
are declared to be enemies of the state and they
face evil media campaigns by Zenensky government against them. I
would remind that since nineteen forty five, there were only
three wars out of one hundred's different wars happened on
Earth that ended in complete capitulation. Normal end of the

(46:13):
war is some peace treaty according to results by both sides.
This is how ninety nine wars out of one hundred
and yeah right, Ghaza is a good example crappity crap.
But everybody is surprised and cheering and happy that it
ended this way. And of the first segment
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