War in Ukraine, Analytics. Day 1376: Zelensky's Power is Collapsing. What's Next? Arestovych, Shelest.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Give you greetings, dear friends, our guests, subscribers to my channel,
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Hello Alexi, good evening, Good evening, Alexander. Well, the speed
of events is really amazing, so much motion, so many
things are happening in the world. Mitkoff supposedly slying to

(00:29):
Moscow with a stop in Ireland, and no he is
not flying anywhere, and Zelenski is talking to him with
the mayor of a star bear with Macron in France.
Today there was a glimmer of power and Ukrainian Prowday
is writing that Zelensky is back in shape, like back
in twenty twenty two. We'll talk about all that. However,

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we start with a question, and today's question is as follows.

(01:57):
If Zelenski is to leave, how will that effect the
speed of peace process? And here are the options. Everything
will speed up number two, everything will become chaotic and
longer and take time longer and take more time. Third,
no way, it will not affect things anyway. Everything is

(02:18):
pre programmed. It's part of a scenario, per agreed upon.
And option number four Zaganski will be holding onto his
throne with his fingers and teeth. And it's too early
to talk about resignation. And this question was inspired by
the post of Vladimir Petrov, who was posting that Zagansky

(02:40):
will come to make his speech at the New Year's Night.
He'll probably sign everything about December mid December fifteenth or
December twentieth and then at the New Year's announcement speech
he will say that he is tired and he is leaving.
So alex see, what do you think which option is

(03:01):
more realistic? I think the most realistic, Alexander would be
when Zelensky leaves and somebody else will be signing documents
after him. Russians would be refusing to sign anything with him.
It's the matter, seems to be the matter of the
principle for them, and yet you still have to sign things.
So not many options are left. How some other person

(03:26):
perhaps sympathetic to certain layers of society in Ukraine, right, okay, sorry,
wait a seconds. Illusionary he visited Ukraine taking pictures with
his wife in front of his home, saying things are
good at home and people are paying attention, saying that
the ILLUSIONI perhaps is visiting the country not for nothing,

(03:48):
and they might be additional political turbulence inside. Oh we'll
see what happens with Ilutionary. We don't know, right, Maybe
he came to Ukraine to pick his one to close
for Cold Britain in January, like say, you're full of
humor today? Okay, So I think the option for Zelensky

(04:09):
to leave by himself is just I think is a
fantastic option. Non in, Alexander. In my view, him leaving
himself is actually a rather probable option because that'll be
part of the deal. And I think it seems to
me that Zelensky is leaving and then some David will

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be signing the peace accord like David and Goliath. Perhaps
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the original stream. The link is below in the description
if you want to participate or ask questions. Okay, back

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to casting. So I'll say I think Thatsky's visit to
France is exclusive to make sure that French support will
affect United States somehow, because it appears that United States
are leaning towards ending this war in the fastest possible fashion.
And do you think you will succeed because of yesterday's

(05:15):
conversation with Whittkov and Rubio and the Mayra of and
delegation today's meeting with them, What is Whitkov bringing to
Moscow after all this? Listen, Alexandra, this document I think
is mostly agreed upon. There are only two cornerstones that
need to be resolved before it can be signed. So

(05:37):
number one territorial concessions, whether Ukraine will have to leave
they already mostly occupied districts of Ukraine for Russia. And second,
whether Ukraine will take voluntary obligation to not head towards
NATO removed this article from constitution and reiteriat that they're
neutral country without joining any international military organization. So with that,

(06:01):
Whitkov is going to Moscow. Moscow will react to that somehow.
But here one needs to understand that regardless whether it's Zelenski,
Rakaimiya as volutionary, stefan Chuk or anybody, not so important
for these two articles. What's important is whether they will
go for that or not. Zelenski could not go for
these two articles because he connects his future political future

(06:24):
with these two articles. Perhaps naively. He's still doing that
when he will run out of political future, and he's
running at risk of running out of all future. Other
politicians would not constraint, would not be constrained by these
two articles, say solutionary or arahimia, all the unfavorite elements
of ending this war. Yes, they will be on their shoulders.

(06:49):
Perhaps for the first two months. They can point at Zelenski.
But after that it becomes your war and your problems
and your responsibility, and the fact that we might change
Zelenski for SOLUTIONI or Orahmi, that would not change how
many Ukrainians are dying at the front. Russians will not
run out of UVS. So every follower of Zelenski will

(07:09):
always bump into the same issue, same complex of issues
that led Ukraine to the problem that it cannot continue
the war physically as a social system, as a country.
To be more particular, it still can, but it probably
very likely shouldn't because it's teetering on the threshold of
strategic dismantling, where it will not be an agreement but

(07:32):
will be a capitulation document. For now, we're not talking
about capitulation. For now, it's peace agreements. All those who
use capitulation were now they're just toying with the emotions
of the voters. But if we continue in this direction,
we may actually face capitulation at some point. What would

(07:53):
be a capitulating capitulation like Alexi, that would be not
nineteen points, that'd be like one hundred and nineteen points,
all of them not in our favor. A list of
different things we owe to Russia. That will leave a
feeling of despise and rejection with every Ukrainian. So for now,

(08:13):
what we have those nineteen articles, that's relatively okay. You
can still argue who has one who has prevailed. Both
sides can dress it as the victory. When it's a
real capitulation, one side is out. There's no way to
dress what's signed as a victory. So the question remains
who wants to continue war? Zulusi is outlining his position

(08:37):
by his recent publication saying that I back in twenty
two understood that ending the war is important and political
climate in the peaceful country is much better thing to manage.
So he just was not stopping the war in the
inopportune moment. So he's already defining his position. If he

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comes the head of the Cabinet or whoever he becomes
instead of Zelensky temporary or the head of the Committee
of National Rescue or whatever we call it, and perhaps
he would need to sign it. He might say that
he does not want to leave the district and remove

(09:20):
the NATO. What do you think will happen? War? Right,
the war will continue and he will be the one
to blame for everything, So he will be the one
to blame in passification and the Drafting Commission abuses, in
lack of infantry on the front, in US losing other townships.
And I think somebody in the West will likely remember
his participation probable participation in the blow up of the

(09:43):
North Stream pipelines, because Americans will be pressing without any
concerns for other considerations. They will be pressing to reach
peace with this war between Ukraine and Russia, and they're
not stopping. So anybody who will be objecting to that
will likely be losing his political future to some degree.

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And all the potential candidates understand that very well. So
I think what will happen regardless of who takes his place,
will sign the peace accords and then Ukraine will have elections. Right,
Like I say, there were a lot of ruminations today
about year Mark, different leagues, different in sides, and one

(10:32):
could see that is very interestingly described in the Ukrainian
press that year Mark might try to resign and then
Zelensky will refuse to sign his resignation and will fight
for him. That was the sentiment you, as the person
who have been in this office twice. I cannot not

(10:56):
ask you about these somewhat dirty details of Fodoro, Budanav
and Maluk supposedly visiting. Yrmak was very angry. He did
not believe that he will be resigned. What we heard
in the previous few days, that he will even join
the army and fight on the front. On one hand,

(11:19):
it tells me that this is definitely an emotional story
with emotional context, that somebody will fight for him, probably
like Zaranski will probably hold it. On the other hand,
why are you going to Ukraine Army so that if
there are any questions it'll be a different agency investigating

(11:40):
you and not DBR, not the ones that investigates the
high level corruption. So this is in my view, this
was one hundred percent emotional decision. Irmak and the army
very rather incompatible. Just let him go. Fire him. Well,

(12:03):
this is interesting and one can see that maybe as
his investigation will be moved from one agency to another.
On the other hand, we should not forget that the
ones who are fighting on the front, they may fall
under amnesty for different reasons, so that may be part
of a bigger strategic play. As for dirty details, I

(12:24):
am frankly not really interested in that Alexander, I don't
care who visited what they talk about in this case,
that's in the realm of rumors, and you may even
agree with some of that what is discussed, but it
doesn't bother my rador. You really think alex say that
he was hoping for Zelenski to fight for him, don't know,

(12:50):
but I think the scandal is so high that and
the details presented to Zelenski were so convincing that there
was no chansfer him to even attempt to fight for
your muck. Do you think this is a sign that
Zelenski is weak? Oh? Yes, Lensky is about seventy percent
week now than from his total hundred of strength. And

(13:12):
not that Irmak was providing those seventy percent with his presence.
But because the politician who gives up on his own,
on his own close friends, nobody will believe him, power agencies, congressman,
future appointees, nobody will trust him from his nearest circle,

(13:33):
because he just showed that he is not fighting for
his team. The Binski used today, I think a very
precise name in this regard somewhat dirty, but I think
it's a proper name for that. It's called God's underwear
an equivalent of wholly underwear with holes in them, are

(13:53):
very old in them, the one that holds nothing, that
holds nothing, or worn out granny pennies. So I don't
know who in the Mirror of the Week or Ukrainian
Pravda tried to push for Zelenski being energetic and dynamic.
In reality, he's facing a catastrophe, catastrophe of trust. So okay, Alexie,

(14:13):
if first seeing Zelenski as a limping duck, what should
we expect from the continuation of war. It did appear
from the outside rather wild when Zelenski visiting France, and
I understand it's the classics of the genre. When Zelensky
leaves the country, we always face some tragic attack from Russia.

(14:37):
It usually somehow happens when he's leaving the country. The
most vicious attacks happen. So today in Knipper, Russia hit
a factory, up to forty wounded, four dead, horrible event,
and of course more attacks happen, and Zelenski comes out
and says, do not read international media, do not read

(14:57):
Russian media, do not trust all that really on Ukrainian sources.
If we speak about Kupinsk. We actually kicked all the
Russians from out of there. And this is just Russian
propaganda saying that it's somewhat prevailing around Kupinsk, and it's
fake that Russia is winning this war. The fact that
he is saying that in France, under what circumstances, it

(15:20):
gives us a lot of ground for consideration. And situation
on the battlefront, regardless of his statements, is still catastrophic
and last time, we analyze that this line is already
broken in two thirds of the front that we're holding.

(15:40):
So why do you think he's pushing such a manipulation
in regards to the situation on the front. Why is
he pushing it to the media, Oh, that's simple, So
they would not be asking him how did you afford
for that to happen? Because if he comes and says
that ye have a catastrophe on the front, the first

(16:01):
question from media would be, so what did you do?
How did you make it happen? How did your decisions
lead to that catastrophe? So his position is, yeah, it's hard,
but we're fighting and succeeding hard, So that would not
be attacked much and repelling because he doesn't want to
be asked questions why. As for the front, Russia is

(16:23):
not winning in this war. They perspectively have a huge
advantage on this war. Strategically they have a big advantage
and it has a perspective of victory or what will
look like victory because Ukraine armed forces are strategically depleting
and that will be the reason for the front to

(16:44):
collapse if we continue playing the same strategy. So nobody
knows when will it happen, but this perspective exists. So
Russia made three proper decisions early on and that helps
them in this war to be in the strategic position.
The Ukraine is also getting weaker as time passes, and

(17:06):
the United States also actively push for peace treaty, so
we and we also have a perspective of possible collapse
of the front, and weekly we have significant strikes that
we miss shooting down and Russian succeeding continuously destroying our
energy systems. So the package that we're getting, in my

(17:29):
view is actually ideal. The package of treaty articles, I
think we should be taking it. Of course, we can
trade for NATO for d Nyetsk district, but yeah, this
is nuance. I think it's not the main principle items
of this thing. We should agree to the treaty and
continue going forward. What's a cornerstone in my view, our

(17:54):
system needs to collapse. We need to change that system
because if you put on the existing system, even the
archangel Gabriel with other angels in the existing system, they
will not be able to turn the system around. We
need to dismantle it and build a new because the

(18:14):
current one is corrupt, ineffective and also functioning mostly in
the war mode. It's profiteering from this war and that
doesn't matter who will be heading it. Okay, so we're
talking about the change of system. We'll talk about the
front to day to Alexei. There are some interesting townships
that were announced by the Russian side. Ukraine is still

(18:36):
quiet as always, and we'll go through that a bit later.
But let's first look at the systemic comment that you made.
This logic that figuratively speaking, how parliament can regroup. And
it's a very delicate time there, the budgeting time right

(18:58):
that nobody is there to vote for apparently, and it's
a very interesting time for trade and contradictions and fight
for different fractions in the parliament. They always had moments
when everything was voted by the call from the president.
But today now it's a different story. The budget that
has no money, the budget that is concocted from whatever

(19:21):
is given to Ukraine from the West, and congressman lining
up in front of the West to present themselves in
a better light than Zelenski, than his cohorts and supposedly
corrupt structures. So if we take the logic of parliament change,
perhaps new coalition, new speaker. Do you see that speaker

(19:47):
leading the country instead of Zelenski. It's not that he
will have or she will have to choose for that.
That person will have to lead the country because when
Zelenski leaves his position, there won't be any but the
more legitimate than the parliament. So the head of the
parliament will be specifically, in the eyes of international community,

(20:08):
will be led by the parliament leader. So it'll be
an option so called Tortunov too, oh, temporary executive figure,
fulfilling presidential obligations until we conduct elections. So do you
think Russians will be stopped by that system? Frankly, Russians

(20:32):
prefer the existing systems because that's the one that make
Ukraine ineffective. Russians will likely just insist on obtaining certain
security guarantees from Ukraine, so that if Ukraine remains an
anti Russian project, it would have limited capabilities to affect
Russian politics or Russian country. The question of changing the

(20:56):
system is completely Ukrainian. Maybe Europeans also will spen because
Ukraine is absolutely dependent on Europe and the United States,
and they they after war, will probably not be incliented
in building another corruption system in Ukraine. I think they
understood who we are looking at the tens of billions
stolen money B with a B billions. The Office of

(21:19):
EU is Persecution is reviewing a case for billions against
the Lenska administration. So since they have seen the degree
of theft in Ukraine, they don't want They're not okay
with letting this slide after the war. They want to
change the system to something better. How it will change
and what will Ukraine and people vote for? How will

(21:41):
they control the politics. That's another question. How ready is
the politician to change himself or our political spectrum. Last
time alex Au made a supposition and this week I
see it being affirmed again and again. It's not an

(22:01):
axiom yet, but it's definitely being awaited by a lot
of people. You said that Trump might suggest Zelensky to
leave the office, and just a couple of minutes before
our today's stream, the representative of the White House, Caroline Levitt,
comes out and says that Trump administration is very optimistic

(22:23):
about the chances for deal with Ukraine, and Anny Kemp
in the correspondent in White House. That's how the correspondent
presents this message to the swords. So let's understand what
articles do Americans imply for that deal with Ukraine, for

(22:43):
that agreement with Ukraine, Because if you remember our delegation,
their faces were very sad, they were gray, they were
feeling and presenting themselves in a very concerned, precarious position. Meantime,
Rupe was saying that they are for future, they are

(23:04):
for peace deal, they are for future for Ukraine and
guarantee security guarantees. Oh. I think the main thing is
that they're discussing for America. America is discussing the point
of Zelensky's resignation, and I think at best Zelensky will
be facing the destiny of the leader of Georgia the countrysually.

(23:25):
I think in twenty four, he had the last reasonable
offer to change his mind, and after that, in a
language of political detectives, his future was already sentenced. He
will be given certain guarantees so he would leave and
he would not crumble and hold onto the throne to
the last. And then in the next couple years things

(23:47):
might happen. Some accounts of his might get arrested, he
might become a persona no grata to most countries, and
then perhaps he will end up in some sanctuary in Israel,
or maybe given back to Ukraine, where he likely will
be put in jail for stuff. I think that's where

(24:07):
the vector is leading us too. So what about the
deal with Ukraine between Ukraine and the United States, Alexei, Well,
they cannot officially declare that deal with Ukraine is the
deal with Zelensky resignation, right, if you expect to hear that,
you won't. And Rubio did make a good remark saying

(24:29):
that Ukraine, you should not be asking for missiles, You
should be asking us for ten years of liberation from
any tariffs. And frankly, I think this is a stronger
option for Ukraine. This is a better option. But in
any case, this deal would be not with Ukraine as
a country, but with those people who are representing Ukraine
right now, so they will be likely asking as a

(24:50):
part of a deal questions of their personal liberty, personal
judicial amnesty. And the problem is, I think that most
of z Ski's cabinet are concerned with their own security
and not with the security of the country, not with
the future of the country, while America is mostly concerned
with the future of Ukraine in this case. Funny enough,

(25:12):
right how it works, But actually America is offering pretty
good deals, pretty good terms to Ukraine. I think the
problem is who is signing it from Ukraine. And by
the way, Americans generally can guarantee political future to whoever signs,
and whoever first understands that and becomes the first leader
in Ukraine to do that, he will win the contest

(25:35):
of the champions and likely will hold the throne here.
So alex say, there are a lot of discussions today
about who might be instead of your mark, how will
that deal with America will evolve? Alexander, all interrupted here
doesn't matter who will be instead of your mark. Absolutely

(25:57):
inconsequential that person will not be able to fill in
your Mark's shoes. He will not be able to be
basically a vice president, the second president in the country.
The construct that the power of Zelensky was standing upon
has crumbled, and for now to change the format and
the coalitions in the parliament, just five congressmen are needed
to change the existing coalition, so they likely will. And

(26:21):
whoever is Zenansky placing instead of your mark doesn't matter.
The main focus now is figure out who's signing the documents.
The others need certain guarantees of safety. These new ones
will need guarantees of their political future, and then they'll
be discussing the matters of Zelensky leaving the picture and

(26:41):
probably the future of Ukraine and NATO how it will
be shaped. I would really give quite a bit to
see who would be a political suicide person, figure who
would decide to step instead of your mark and change
himself or herself to the corps of Zelensky that is

(27:02):
about to float down the river political corps. So we
did talk about Zelensky being weak, It is visible after
your Marx resignation. Oh, Alexander, He's not just weak. He
cannot do shit. Everything. Everything was recorded right in the
mintage tapes. General Attorney General Zelenski, himself, his vice second

(27:26):
in commands, everybody, the whole government are on those tapes,
and you can easily control that with their behavior, with
dumping more materials. So he's completely weak. The only thing
he can trade for is guarantees of security for himself,
and it's being presented outward as security guarantees for Ukraine.
He doesn't have other options, and you can only change

(27:50):
that for pro Ukrainian position, to restore some sympathy of
the society and some political esseterry, to hold yourself for
a longer while trading for personal guarantees. That's it. That's
what's happening, And I like saying there was. You know,
the scene is unfolding in an interesting way. Apparently Danilov

(28:12):
has an inner nickname of Hukra, which can be translated
to English as like thinking majip what I might call it,
or even do higy, so something inconsequential or unimportant. You know,
I want to share here a little more inner knowledge
of the office. I usually don't bring it out in public,
but this one has a meaning out of the moral

(28:34):
duty in front of our society. So one day I
was talking to your mark in the office and dear
Mark was complaining about Danielov. I was asking why it
was Tuesday, the sanctions day, when we were giving lists
to Americans for sanctions. He was complaining that Dermack that

(28:57):
d Nilov, sorry, is bringing two to three thousand people
into that list. So they were massively putting labels of enemies,
were foreign agents on those people, and Yermak was complaining
that there's no way for me to explain that to

(29:18):
Americans because Americans are checking those names. And Yermak was
always arguing with Danilov to limit himself at one hundred
or two hundred people, not by a thousands, and that
continued for years. So you can imagine the scale of
these inner things. And that Lugansk person, Danielov his was

(29:45):
coming out to the microphones and saying that I'm not
speaking Russian right as I said. The whole Zelenski's office
is consisting of two sides. One is decorations that are
presented to the media, and the other side is the
behind the scenes, the corruption and the bribery and the
theory of such a scale that there's nowhere to put

(30:08):
a label on these people. Okay, friends, don't forget to
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want to continue here Alexi with other things that affect
the life inside Ukraine. There are more and more voices

(30:30):
coming saying that people do want to finish this war somehow,
that the public sentiment is leading towards finishing this war.
Yet Zelenski still has some layer of society that he
relies upon. And in the logical sphere, okay, it's pretty straightforward.
We are trading with the United States. Zelenski is trading

(30:51):
with us for his skin, for his future, so he
can leave don Bass and leave the country, and it
would be easier for people to do right. But that
damned narrative what did the guys and girls die for?
It remains, it still permeates. Oh, we're looking now for

(31:13):
the answer what did our people die for? Or how
to behave with the society? What such a leader as
Lensky needs to tell the society when he's already knowing
that he will. His main objective is to flee and
leave the country alive and go to some hideout, and

(31:35):
he probably understands that if he will start giving territories
to Russia or signing giving concessions, he like will be
dismantled and his life may and here in the country
well one note here, Alexandra, then buss will likely be
signed off not by Zeleensky but by the next person
in power. As for what did everybody die for, one

(31:58):
can easily point that everybody who is serving Ukraine in
these hard times of war, those who died, they all
have deserved a significant memory, a significant position in the
Ukrainian society. For those who are still serving and who

(32:19):
are alive, they need to be thanked profusely for their
service for helping the country. We need to make sure
there are rehabilitation programs available for them. They would not
give them much political privilege, but we do need to
care them and frankly, a lot of Ukrainians should be
rewarded for their service during this time. We need to

(32:41):
rebuild society that is thankful for those who served in
the country, but we're not giving them specific political or
other advantage in this system. What in the meantime, those
patriots in quotes who are continuously fighting and screaming that
we fight to the end, their agreement is that they

(33:03):
want to have a different advantage in the society as
the result of their fierceness, and they do have a
group that supports them. So the cornerstone thing in the
story is to make sure that we give the voice
to majority, and in this voice there should be also

(33:23):
well pronounced the voices of minorities, for example, ethnic minorities
and political minorities and like. And it is a delicate
construction complex one. We need a centrist complex project that

(33:44):
would start to execute on the constitution and laws of
the Ukraine. And you know, we have to be precise.
If our laws must put somebody in the kindergarten for
bullying a child, a three year old child in the kindergarten,

(34:04):
that person needs to go to jail, regardless of how
he or she's supported by other people, regardless by public opinion.
Of public opinion. If there is a law and constitution,
we need to make sure we are building a centrist
project that adheres to the law, that does not elevate
anybody above it, that those who need to be punished

(34:27):
will get punished, those that need to be noticed and
rewarded will get rewarded. We just need to start executing
on our constitution as it is. We need to practice it.
It's an interesting practice. Trust me, have been abandoned in
Ukraine for a while. But we can bring things in
place if we start acting on it. And if we

(34:47):
have those three million of national patriots, screamers who want
to destroy and dismantle Bulgakov and everybody else with any
anything Russian in their past. These screamers are tough only
to the first five criminal prosecutions happen. You put the
first five in jail and after that for violations, not

(35:10):
for nothing, but for actual violations. After that, majority of
those will take more centrist position, more legal positions, defensible positions.
Of course, there'll be a small group likely of the
ones who will be in the extreme always exist in
every society, but there are ways to deal with them.
So we need to level the society. It's very disbalanced now.

(35:33):
It's like the ship that is leaning to one side.
We need to make sure we pump the water out,
we level it so it can continue going forward. And
the main task that we have in Ukraine is not
external external politics, is the continuation of an inner politics.
Our main problems lie inside. We need to first make

(35:57):
things working inside Ukraine, and only then we can with
external artists, the matters of church, the matters of language,
the matters of public culture. This is the whole complex
of measures. You need to demobilize the army right, a
big chunk of it, not all of it. You need
to hold the borders right, but you need to perhaps

(36:18):
cut it in half. You need to make sure the
society accepts these people. Thanks. These people create conditions that
they will not be screaming about having special benefit, special
caste like benefits in the society, but they would be
respected and they would have future in the country, and

(36:41):
the country will have future with them. And we need
to start rebuilding the country. But economic revival will only
happen if we build a centrist project here. If you
read at the Cornerstone Document of NATO, it has a
very interesting article there that says one of the key
tasks of NATO was also the fight against nationalism in Europe.

(37:07):
This is actually written there. So these three to five
millions that we have in Ukraine that are marching with
alternationalistic slogans, they fail to understand that there will be
no NATO on these slogans, and nobody will give you money.
Nobody will support you rebuilding the country. So the core
task of a new power will be to equalize Ukrainian

(37:29):
citizens in their rights what is written already in our constitution,
independence for languages, religious, ethnic minorities and preferences. And this
is the basis for stabilization of society and even perhaps
return of some of the Ukrainians back to the country. Plus,

(37:51):
it will be the best pill such an inner politics
to make sure that the war with Russian Federation or
anybody else never happens again. Zelenski managed to spoil relations
with this fears help of ultnationalists three to five million supporters.
He quarreled with almost every neighbor. Give me one neighboring

(38:14):
country with whom we do have good relations right now.
So this is a big task for us to rebuild
strong government, strong economy, good relations, good normal relations with everybody,
including Belarus and Russian Federation. This may only occur if
our inner politics is equalized, then the foreign policies will

(38:35):
also equalize. That's the main task. How the participants of
the next contest are ready to solve it from Arachaimer
to SOLUTIONI, that's a big question. But That's the most
important question right now. Not who will have Dannyetsk region,
but what are you going to do with the remaining

(38:56):
huge territory of Ukraine? Yeah, Russia took twenty percent of
We might leave one more percent to them. What are
you going to do with the remaining seventy nine percent? Ukraine?
Even with that twenty one percent is still the biggest
country in Europe. What are you going to do with
this country? Are you going to execute the constitution? You're
going to act upon your legal documents. Yes, it is

(39:21):
sad to lose Krematorsk, Konstantinovkoslavansk, Drushkovka, But if it is
the price for development, for growth, and while nobody is
listening to us, a price to pay for three to
four years of what this political regime was doing to
this country, this is a light price to pay. We

(39:42):
could have paid a lot worse. Not that I wanted
Ukraine to pay more. I would prefer us not to
pay for our mistakes. But on the weight, this is
relatively light punishment for all the weirdness that was happening
in the country and all the corruption that was happening.
Because there were layers of society that were selling the

(40:03):
country apart, making money and making their lives on the
war trade. And I would say that under right administration,
even these seventy nine percent of Ukraine may have one
and a half trillion GDP in about fifteen years. If

(40:23):
you have a wish, if you have a desire to
be there, or do you want to create another corrupt system,
and that'll be taking bites out of a new Ukraine.
And what will be in Danetsk region? Whether we will
join NATO where they likely will never take us ever,
Americans basically lead to this information that Ukraine may leave

(40:48):
this article in constitution, but on our side, we'll make
sure that Ukraine will never get into NATO. And you
can keep it in your constitution. You can wave these
flags for next seven years. If you do not expel
from constitution, we will add it to NATO that we're
not taking Ukraine in. And what then, all right, alex say,

(41:10):
let's hang in, Alexander. I want to remind of my
favorite saying that a man is not the one who
knows how to fight, but the one who knows who
is the enemy. The enemy for Ukraine is not Russia.
Russia is a secondary enemy. It's an adversary, not real enemy.
The enemy of Ukraine is an inner enemy, is an

(41:34):
inner decomposition or deterioration of us, not following constitution, our
inner corruption. It's not the problem that Ukraine is anti Russia.
The problem is that Ukraine is anti Ukraine. It's anti
people regime that we have now. The population of Ukraine
dwindled since we got independence. Now the accounting from thirty

(41:59):
eight millions down to what it's more than we lost
during the Second World War. This is anti human regime.
We need to build a new one facing people, and
then after that external politics will straighten up. You'll see
that all these imperial advancements of Russia would be irrelevant anymore.
If Ukraine will balance its inner politics, there will be

(42:22):
no reasons for neighbors to attack this country, and that
would perhaps be the best guarantee to avoid the next
round of war. You know, Like I say, it reminded me.
I think a lot of things are coming together here
at this moment. What this mindish gate has actually uncovered.

(42:47):
I think it uncovered a very archetypical trauma of our society,
of our country, This hatred of Jews that we have
in our country. Here we can see that even Jews
are against Jews. Very interesting things coming out of the scandal.
Kuleba coming out and saying that personally in twenty twenty four,

(43:10):
when he was still in position, was saying that, let's
be friends with Kushnir. I have access to him, I
ad Minister of Foreign Affairs. I can arrange the negotiations.
And then Hermac convinced me that we need to be
friends with Pompeo and we should dump Kushner. And now
we see that Kushner with friends of Kolamoyski. They're being

(43:37):
very active and they're taking out the other Jews. Supposedly
it's different sides of the same group in the country
taking out each other. So maybe our Ukrainian problem is
that the high you get on the steps of power,

(43:58):
the fewer actual Ukrainians are there. I'm saying scary things,
but it does make me ask this question. Listen, Alexander,
I do not want to divide people into Ukrainians, Jewish Russians.
People can be divided into good people and bad people.
People with ethics and without. Zelensky and Dermark were offered

(44:25):
to have direct communications, exclusive communications with leading Republicans who
at that time were not elected yet, we're not in
the office yet, but did not rule the country in
the States, but we were working on making sure there
are connections. And yet Zelanskan his government renounced and refused

(44:47):
to accept them even after three times the biggest senators
of one of the leading senators and congressmen of the
United States have visited Ukraine's three times Republicans when Ukrainians
just turned down for their mercantile and other reasons. They
were drinking Biden's kool aid and Biden's monetary support, and
they did not see that it's good for Ukraine to

(45:09):
be friends with both sides of political spectrum. They were
just busy pumping their own money. Biden is gone, but
Ukraine is still suffering. So okay, tomorrow putting on Witkov.
What do you think will be offered? Many people are
saying there's nothing to offer, Perhaps we don't know something.
What do you mean there is nothing to offer, Alexander,

(45:30):
There's always a way to offer an agreed upon plan
that likely will have NATO and some other cornerstones that
need addressing. For example, Ukraine may say that it's important
for us to have NATO in the Constitution America can say, sure,
we can write in the NATO documents that Ukraine has
never accepted and it's an exit for Putin. It's an

(45:53):
option for Putent. He can agree and say, listen, here's
what I achieved that Ukraine now, NATO will never take Ukraine.
And okay, they might agree that, for example, specame of
the Nyetsk district. Right, Ukraine may leave the actual territory
and the Russian border will go along the existing frontline,
but the remaining piece of territory can become the jointly

(46:17):
managed gray zone. There are options, or NATO troops or
European you can make some peacekeepers, Brazilian, Indian, doesn't matter,
just somebody. These are nuanced details. You know. Turkish troops
are very conditionally the troops of NATO, but they can

(46:37):
be there. So there are ways to resolve it. If
there is a strategic desire to finish it on this stage,
and it seems that Russia is trying to conclude it,
they will find ways to agree upon and they even
if they don't agree now, they might say what they
want to achieve to get in order to finish it.

(46:58):
On the other hand, they may use certain issues that
they have with this plan to first win more time
to capture than district themselves and push the frontline further
and deeper. And second to make sure that Ukraine side
gets even more pressure and more compromising materials would be
leaked against the Ukrainian government because the chaos of Ukrainian

(47:19):
leadership is absolutely in favor for Russia and how it
affects future elections. So yeah, they can pull it further.
They can even push it out to May of next year.
I don't think they have too big of a runway.
They will eventually be put to a table of negotiations,

(47:40):
but they do have perhaps half a year. And also
there is a position of China to consider in these negotiations. Right.
I wanted to talk about China because Macron mentioned that
he will be flying to China and he will talk
to Chinese leader to exert some pressure onto Russia. How
do you read Macron? Oh, Macron is trying to hold
his following political pants. I think in this case and

(48:03):
we probably should not be paying too much attention to
his statements. Macron in a position of a lame duck,
is not a powerful figure on the international arena. And
the second point here is that according to certain data,

(48:24):
the United States are staying quiet about Taiwan, and China
is not mentioning Venezuela. They might have some agreement in
this regard. So what I'm saying is that the war
in Ukraine will be stopped temporarily or permanently. It will
depend entirely or to the largest degree, on what Ukraine

(48:44):
will be doing with itself, not with the United States
or with Russia. The war may take some time to
be concluded, not tomorrow, but perhaps April or May, in
some historically visible time frame, after which there'll be elections
held and questions will be answered where Ukraine is going.
Cornerstone questions the number of armed forces in Ukraine. We

(49:06):
cannot stay without them, and its guarantee for us to
have a stable country, especially in the political mess that
we are facing now. We need strong economy and strong
enforcement agencies and good relations with our neighbors, including Russia
and Belarus, and this will be the basis for change

(49:29):
of the projectivity in Ukraine. And we basically need to
start following our constitution. Of course, I would want the
war to end tomorrow, but if it completes includes in May.
This stuff that we were talking about here will be
just more actualized. Would have lost more people, some more territory,

(49:49):
and disappointment will be growing in our society as well.
But I do foresee in the near future, within a
year less than a year, were likely will be finishing
this war. Does Russia have potentiality to continue fighting, Yes,
on certain terms, but it does depend upon the position
of China and the United States as well. And Britain

(50:12):
is visiting India right after meeting with Whitkov. Probably we'll
be talking about something there as well. India is another
important pillar of this geometric figure end of the first
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