Ep 287: WrestleMania 41 Recap - Cena Does It But Where Was The Rock? - Pro Wrestling After Hours

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It is pro Wrestling after Hours.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah Franco.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Micah Shaking man me.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm shaking and grooving in my seth Rawlins T shirt
because I can once again wear it with Pride.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Wrestlmania forty one in the books, the two night extravaganza.
I got thoughts, Micah, I got lots and lots of thoughts.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
You know I do too. I also tell you, guys,
there's a real strength for starting WrestleMania halfway through the
show and hitting that ten second skip that they give
you on the iPad. For Peacock. That is a great invention.
So shout out to Peacock for not having me sit
through what Carlile did.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh no, I wanted to sit through it all because
you get the better fuel and it. In this case,
it reinforced my thoughts, some of my complaints. I don't
even feel like voicing because the genies out of the bottle.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
And nothing's changing.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
This would have been one hell of a one night
pay per view or premium live event stretched over two nights.
There was a lot of fluff, a lot of filler,
a lot of things that quite frankly, just weren't good.
But put it like this, Monday Night Raw was the
best show of the two nights of WrestleMania and then Raw. Yeah,

(01:34):
obviously if you wanted to add in SmackDown, SmackDown is
at least probably better than Night one of Mania. That
being said, there were things on Night one I did like.
There were things on Night two I liked. There are
a lot of things that for a variety of reasons
as what we get into it, and I don't want
to necessarily do the paint by number Saturday, this match,

(01:56):
this match, this match, this match, Sunday, this match, this match,
this match. We could much on everything, but we'll probably
skip around a little bit because I think right off
the bat, you have to ask the question, where in
the fuck was Dwayne Johnson.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, I didn't know when we're going to get
to this because I asked you if it was a
total change of the story. I, even from months of
not having him involved, don't know what a Travis Scott
is doing reappearing. This just feels like the most random
ad in that Travis Scott is sessed with Cody or

(02:33):
aligned with John Cena, Well, he makes theme songs for
WWE events. It doesn't fit for me and the Rock
not being there being there, I don't know. We're going
to get to it, but oh, where are you doing.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Let's get to it right out of the gate, because.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
There's no way this was the plan all along, because
you could have done other things with John Cena to
accomplish what you wanted to accomplish without him and The
Rock being involved together, and then the Rock just disappearing
in the story completely changing. You could have had seen
a turn on Cody. You could have had them both

(03:13):
kind of coming in as faces. And as the conversation
went back and forth each week, each one got a
little more perturbed with the other and things like that,
and people felt like they were getting disrespected. You could
have got here without involving the Rock. But the way
this story started to the way WrestleMania ended and then

(03:35):
Monday Night Raw just seems completely different, completely discombobulated. If
you were following from the beginning, and it made no sense.
No one will ever convince me that coming out of
Elimination Chamber, there was no.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Plans for the Rock to be at Mania. Believe and
I don't know what it was, but I believe something
somewhere along the way changed.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Some wasn't happy with something creative or what they were
being asked to do, or what someone was pitching to do,
and someone either took their ball and went home, or
someone said, you know, why don't you just sit this
one out.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And I know, as we record this.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Rock song, Pat McAfee, I don't expect him to spill
any bad stuff. But maybe by the time you hear this,
you'll understand a little bit more about why the rock
wasn't there. But to me, that was a huge crime
in the in the build up to Mania and then
the payoff on Sunday Night.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, because what was the payoff? What was the story?
The story changed about the second time. I think we
saw John Cena internationally brings back all this the Rock one,
the Rock two, the Rock three, this countdown shit with
this hand, and we again have a story that that's

(04:59):
left with a lot of answers. And I think there
was somewhere around the board games where I had like
ten questions for you about all the questions that wwe
left open ended, and we said they'll get to them,
and they never did. And now they just changed the

(05:22):
story on a whim. So what we've learned is that,
besides you and me speaking out here, sixty one thousand
fans are very fond of whatever ww audibles, whatever play
they run. We will just accept it.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I don't think that's the case, but you either accept
it or you don't. It made no sense, and that's
why I have to believe there was a difference of
opinions somewhere along the way and plans were just kaibashed exactly.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
But as you just referenced, we either watch it or
we watch it. I mean, there's not much way for
us to speak out against. This was shitty. This was
a giant change of reaction, this may or change of direction.
This didn't make much sense, but we're all still here
for it. So I don't know, you know how that
affects WWE. It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It might.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It didn't affect them this past weekend, other than maybe
there were some people there who left Allegiance Stadium with
a little bit of bad taste in their mouth.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Disappointing. Also, I mean, you expected to see the corporate councilman,
you expected to see the final boss. It felt like
he's the guy behind the guy. There was a lot
of disappointment from that angle. Not to mention I've seen
people say worse WrestleMania main event ever, I've seen people

(06:54):
not happy with it. Is that from the finish. How
much mockery there was in the finish? Is it from
the lack of the rock? What do you think for
frustration and disappointment comes from sorry.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, no, no, no, very fair question for me. It
was a terrible match, but it seemed like it was
a terrible match on purpose.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I also thought it was very weird and maybe we
will maybe.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
We won't talk about the announcers, but spoiler gump TH's
my hero now if.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
You saw Raw this week.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
But it just seems so weird to me. How they
kept trying to say John Cena's trying to prove a point.
People say he can't wrestle, He's wrestling.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
He says.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
The motherfucker wasn't doing any wrestling moves. While they're saying this,
he was kicking and stomping. I didn't care for the
match the way it was laid out.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It was so slow.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
It was look not that you're expecting Cody and Seena
to go out there like like fucking Penta or a
phoenix or something.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
During Damian Priest Drew McIntyre because it say send CD
street fight and they have to elaborately set up the
next spot. You expected the slow pace. John Cena Cody
Rhodes was slow because it was slow.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, I didn't have a problem, although if anybody did,
I get it, But me personally, I didn't have a
problem with the Travis Scott interference.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I get it, but yeah, I just I didn't think
the match was laid out.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well. I know this.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
If John Cena had been wrestling Hulk Cogan, hul Cogan
would have said, this doesn't work for me, brother, you're
too pale. I thought it was the fucking it as Maver.
I gave you the heads up. You're like about to
start the main event. I said, don't be fooled.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That ain't Undertaker, that's John Cena.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, Cody was straight true when he told the two
months Mac done, you look paler. The instinct got star
K ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I thought he said.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I thought it was a fire.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I thought serious, and I said some of this in
our group text, but I was being dead serious. I
thought John Cena was wearing compression stockings.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
At first, his legs looked so unreal that they looked artificial.
And I'm like, I know he's got real legs.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
He didn't have He's not Lieutenant Dan from fucking Forrest Gump.
He didn't have magic legs. So is he wearing compression stocking? No,
he's really that pale?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, fuck, his.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Chest is pale to his faces. He looked like he
had the fucking flu or something. Well whatever, Unlike Hogan
and Bijov, I don't care if you don't have a
tan and don't look good.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Whatever did we get hit by that? Am I b
mind eraser? Because fucking John Cena's over here, Like I
am gonna rewrite the pro wrestling clock. You mean with
the belt that we were calling a universal title two
months ago? Also, Bruno, Sam Martino's belt will never be.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
The something something else, all those wrestlers he named that
it held that title, and yeah, he went back, Bruno.
He didn't say Hogan now, but pretty much everybody else,
Stone Cold Cody.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
He named all these guys. He knows who he didn't name.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
You just said Hogan, But who else?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
The rock we'll see?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
But that again, something that leads me to believe somewhere
along the way plans change, somebody wasn't happy with something.
The Rock not being there to me killed this story.
You could have done this in a different way and
maybe not put John Cena through this and try to

(10:26):
figure out a way between now and what's he got
now thirty one more appearances or whatever the countdown was
he was doing on Raw to get people to like
him again on his way out.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
And this weekend I had seen rumors that October or
was it August whatever, when they were they going to
be in Perth for the TKO takeover, that that was
going to be John Cena's farewell Evan, And now I'm
seeing it's actually December. But at some point we will
get to the end of this. That that's what we know.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
We will, we will, we will. But yeah, I didn't
I didn't like that. I didn't mind the end result.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Did it feel like Cody's Russell Mania story though, started
a long time ago, and it started because of the Rock,
And that's where this hole fell apart. Where it seemed
like from the Rock coming out when Cody and Roman
were tag team partners and Roman was like, hey, Cody,
that's for you. This is where that Russell Mania story started,

(11:24):
and it feels like it just feels like, whether they
do or didn't, it feels like WWE at that point,
if that was the story, we should have had all
these ducks in a row and that elimination chamber with
John Cena was a culmination of this long laid out
planned by them. So to see that we had a
obvious audible in the lead up kind of just throws

(11:48):
the whole thing out of whack. Where I thought Tony
Kahn was the only chaotic, shitty storyteller that didn't have
things planned out. I thought that WWE ad ducks laid
out in a row much further in advance, and this
just trews to counter that point.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
No one should ever criticize Tony Conn's booking again. Now
look that that being said, and I promise we will
get to this. There was a lot about WrestleMania Weekend
that I did like, and I appreciated the booking of I.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Didn't mind seeing it being booked to win.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
We have to start here, though.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
We one hundred percent and I'm totally on board with this.
This might hurt some feelings and it might not even
be possible because of some people's stature. And I'm not
even necessarily singling out the Rock here, although it's obvious
that's who I'm talking about. But the way things went
haywire last year, you had a plan, you had to

(12:43):
pivot because the fans dictated it, and I don't think
maybe everybody was happy that you had to change those
plans looking at you, Duane, the way this eventually played
out this year, you got to stop relying on the
fucking Rock to just show up and save shit, or
show up and dictate things. Because this is two straight
years that you tried to do something and you wound

(13:06):
up having to do something different.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You stop, You just have to stop it.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
That again, I'm fine with Sena winning that that actually
made sense. Otherwise, what the fuck's left of his retirement
tour and all that he almost had to You were
in a situation where Sina had to win, so so
I'm fine with that. I would have done the match
a little differently, even if the ending was the same.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Give Cody and out.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Travis Scott dastardly sob interfering in all that, although that
should have been the Rock, should have been somebody else.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Whatever, I'm fine with.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
All that, but that was a terrible way to end
WrestleMania weekend, in my.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Opinion, terrible inevitable. I didn't love the match, so it
was gonna be a letdown either way, and I can't
get behind on Sina's logic, so that's where this is
all led down. For me. It just felt like an inevitability.
Like we knew they told us seventeen this was our

(14:09):
prediction last week. It played out exactly how we thought.
Where the ending of Night one they told it to
us so blatantly where I actually told you that couldn't
be the finish right because it was so blatantly laid
out to us.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
By the way, with the benefit of hindsight, the Night
one main event should have been the Night two main event,
and Night two main event should have been Night one.
I understand why it wasn't and all that, but Robin's
Punk and rains A was a much better match. And
again I'm not shitting on Cody and Sena there. I
think they did the match they wanted to do, or

(14:46):
that WWE.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Wanted them to do. I just don't think it was
a good match, right, But.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I think that was almost kind of by design. As
wonky as that sounds, but Rollin's Punk and Rains.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's hurtful for WrestleMania though, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
No, I agree, was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yes it was.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
You had the Paul Hayman intrigue. He hands Punk the chair,
low blows Punk.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Gives the chair to Roman.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Roman takes out Punk gets ready to take out Rollins
payment with the low blow on Rains Seth. Rollins is
a Paul Hayman guy. All that was fantastic. I was
a little surprised they actually did that because we talked
about that during the preview. That's what really makes the
most sense. I just didn't think they do it. I

(15:33):
figured at the end of the day, Hayman winds up
with his tribal chief, Roman reigns, and we all go
about our business. I enjoyed the heck out of the
Saturday Night made event.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I enjoyed the heck out of it. Roman looks strong.
He needs to look strong. He always wants to look strong.
That's who he is, so he did that. He dominated
the match when he could see him. Punk and Seth
they're both sneaky. They got their moves in when they could.
Paul Hayman played it out great. I'm pretty sure if
you watch him back I did, you can see moments

(16:06):
where Rawlins is in peril and you can see that
old shit look on Paul Hayman's face. But you could
wonder if he just worried that Sampunk's gonna lose the match.
The only thing I didn't like was and I didn't
know what was gonna happen. I actually did catch up
in enough time. The low blow looked pretty telegraphed both
of them, Paul Hayman, the sliding the chair in that

(16:30):
was the emotional moment. That was the But when he
kind of started creeping behind Cmpunk, I was like, oh,
here it goes.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Here's everything we.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Called and bo, there it went.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
You're right. I thought it'd added to the intrigue. But yeah,
you're right, Yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
There was, I wondered, And then it was is he
gonna turn on Roman? And then when he started screaming
my tribal chief and getting vocal about it, I'm like,
oh shit, he is so turning. He is so turning
because you have never heard Paul Hayman start yelling and
direct Roman reigns before, so it played out great little
telegraph for me, But I feel like we're inside baseball

(17:06):
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think it was done exactly how again, how they
wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't think you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I think it was telegraph, but I don't think when
Paul Haymen got to the back, Triple H pulled him aside,
said damn it, Paul, that was good, but you telegraphed it.
I think that was exactly what they wanted to do.
But I hear you it could have been a little
more out of the blue.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
May not be right.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
You knew hey Man was turning on somebody. Maybe you
didn't know or didn't expect him to turn on both guys.
But yeah, but I thought that main event was so
much better than the night one. I enjoyed that story more,
despite obviously the Night two main event Sina surpassing Flair.

(17:49):
According to some if you believe Flair is a sixteen
time world champion, he's actually about a twenty two to
twenty three time champion. But that's another argument for another day. Yeah,
that was a much better main event. I did think
overall Sunday was the much better card, but main event wise,
the Saturday Night Maine event I thought was way better.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh, I gotta agree with you on that one thing
that bothered me real quick. Just wanted to throw it
out to you. There were different cars and stuff, But
did Charlotte Flair and La Knight's entrances feel a bit
redundant of each other? That they just both matches.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Were a bit redundant.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
So the the entrances and the cars.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I And one more thing on that by design? Do
you think they took down because there was all the
screens that were hanging across the entranceway. I don't believe
they were there for night too.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
They raised and lowered them. Oh that they were there
for night too. But yeah, that during the long ass
pre show for Night two, they actually talked about those
screens and people.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's not cgi that these are legit screens. We raised them,
we lower them.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And then they were showing Roman's entrance from Night one
and and and all that, and but yeah, that they
actually lowered those screens and raised them back up.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh okay, I thought they had disappeared. At one point.
I was like, was that just the night one?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
All right? In the grand scheme of things? Incredibly small?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
What the fuck was open the motocross guys for Cody's entrance,
zipping back and forth before he comes out with with
his I don't know his his Jurassic Park helmet mask
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
I thought, honestly, honestly, I thought this was Cody getting
the second place people from that television show he was
on some stage time because COVID cut down with it, actually,
we're gonna have the Go Big Show, Go Big, Yes, exactly,
the runners up from the god Met Show. And maybe

(19:45):
maybe all I could think when I saw that that's
Go Big Show.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Maybe maybe Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Did you feel like a lot of their entrances though,
You're like, what the fuck does this have to do
with the character?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
For as much some of them, I like some of them,
I did.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
For as much that was made about Tiffany Stratton's entrance,
I thought it looked really cheap.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You and I talked about this before we started recording.
I knew which one was really her.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, it didn't look like that got the deep fakes.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
No, it didn't. It didn't. I think they spent a
lot of money on that too.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Did they do too hard of a job trying to
make that match look like a shoot? Match like they
tried to make it look like a fight, and I
feel like they try to make that one look dirty
and klutzy on purpose, I'm hoping if not, Yeah, it
was clunky as fuck.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I don't know if they tried to make it look clunky,
it looked clunky. I just didn't think it was a
particularly good match, and I don't think there was near
the heat between the two that some people think. Although
maybe it wasn't all rainbow and unicorns.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Let's not have those two wrestle again. I didn't like
the chemistry.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I didn't care for the match, and maybe part of
that was I expected a lot more because of how
Charlotte Flair is. Maybe that was exactly the match WWE
wanted as well. If I'm willing to give them the
benefit of the doubt on Cody and Sina, I guess
I could give it here as well.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
But I did not think it was particularly good.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Tiffy didn't look Jade, but she's still looked green in
that match, and I feel like she is a good competitor,
But I don't know if that one exemplified it.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Since you brought it up. I didn't care for Jade
and Naomi. Either the right person won. The match was
probably about seven minutes too long, and I don't even
know how long the match was. It was probably about
twelve to fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I don't know, but didn't care for that match.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
There's that inverted power bomb where Naomi almost died. I
screamed in real time. Yeah, because that looks so fucking dangerous.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Before anybody starts to do the wrong idea, let me
point out the Women's World Championship three way with Sky
and Rhea, Rimpley and Anka.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Loved the hell out of that match.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That was an awesome match. Yes, great finish. It was
so surprising, but it made a lot of sense. It
did edo Sky was nothing in this lead up, and
I kept complaining about that, so of course she had
to get the victory to prove she is somebody, so
that story all falls into making a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I didn't like how we got Becky Lynch into the
Women's tag team title match, but I enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
The match as well.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I did we have to have Lyra in Bailey win
a Goofy Gauntlet or whatever and then have Bailey get
taken out night one to get Becky in there. We
could have just had Valkira in a mystery partner against
liv Morgan and rock Hil Rodriguez and Becky come out.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Eh.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
So I didn't like how we got there, but I
thought that match was fine as well of the tag.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Team title matches that we had this weekend, I thought
it was the best of the three. Independent of that,
though utterly confused about what Bailey and as you bring
up last week, NYA Jacks have done to in Paul
Hayman's words, suck to not be allowed on WrestleMania because

(23:15):
that's what other people will turn. You're not on WrestleMania
because you suck. So it's interesting to know. It would
be interesting to know why Bailey and Nia didn't end
up having spots with so many opportunities, or was this
just always the plan because the story is more about
Becky and Bailey, You're just a cog anyway.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, Bailey's not hurt by.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
All accounts, but I don't know that the plan for
weeks and weeks was for Becky Lynch to be in
that spot.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Saying Friday night, Saturday morning, they came up with it,
pitched it to her, and she said, Okay, I'll do it.
But I'm assuming in the case of Bailey, this is
going to lead somewhere after she's recovered from her injuries.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I get the feeling she'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Whereas Naya Jacks was never even in a WrestleMania conversation.
I think her situation is a little different if the
end results the same. Neither one was on the card,
But I think Bailey's gonna be okay from all this.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
You know what made it hard for me to care
about Lyra and Becky winning the women's tag team titles
because you.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Knew they were gonna lose him on Raw the next night,
and and Becky was gonna turn on her.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Wellether it was that that happened. That part was awesome,
But because we had just celebrated Live in Roquel winning
the tag team titles, after we had celebrated so and
so winning the tag team titles, after we had celebrated
so and so winning the tag team titles after it's
such a revolving door of who is the women's tag

(24:46):
team champions? Congratulations, four time champions now Live in Roquelle,
get the belts back the very next night. Do you
think this is gonna do it? Will wwe build up
Elyra now off of Becky and get the desired result
because they've wanted to push her to the moon Women's
Intercontinental title tag team titles. We obviously see something in her,

(25:09):
but we are not getting the reaction we want. So
now let's turn Becky Lynch hal for her comeback. This
will definitely deliver some reaction and emotion.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I think you're right on all that.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think Becky's better as a heel, the man and
the man when the man's being cheered, because a cheered
four man can't be the man?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Can the man join the power trip? Can can?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Maybe the new Dangerous Alliance? You know what?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
You can call it the Dangerous Family, the Dangerous Alliance.
I just I've already seen it online. You know the
death Row photo with the forehead. Yeah, yeah, I've already
seen that with Hayman, Rowlins, Breaker and Becky Lynch. I'm like,
that's presumptive, but I like it.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, oh don't. I don't hate it either.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Since you brought up Breaker, Let's get to what I thought, was,
without a doubt, the biggest moment of WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And yes, I'm about to go a little hyperbole here.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Dominic Mysterio raised by a fucking dead beat dad who
probably isn't really even his fucking dad was sent to
the Big House prison changes a man.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
That's my teens. I'm like shit because he knows he's
not his son, little bastard.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Probably but has been able to overcome those odds, be
a successful WWE superstar.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Beat his father somehow in this four way for the
icy title.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Overcome the odds, beat Penta, beat Finn, Ballard, beat bron Breaker,
have his hand raised as your new w WWE Intercontinental Champion.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Dominic Mysterio. That is the story movies are made of.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I'm just saying, trying to find my notes on that
exact triumph. It was a fun match, it was good.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
The right guy got the victory. It was what we
laid out. The Penn came against Finn, and now we
get to see how this builds up. Will we get
the deceit in the Judgment Day? JD McDonough is back
and Pentagon goes from kicking everyone's ass to now getting

(27:23):
outsmarted by the Judgment Day, which hasn't happened to anyone
in about three months, poor Pens on Monday Night Raw.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
How did Penta get such a head start on Ray
Phoenix And in one fucking weekend, Ray Foix just shot
past him in the lucha pecking order in WWE.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Did he They both came out Luca Losers.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Phoenix had a hell of a performance on SmackDown in
the Andre Battle Royal, he gets Ray's spot at Mania.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
When Rey gets hurt.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Dude, I can barely step mcclert of the Giant Battle. Well,
I commend you for having paid that much attention. Besides that,
I saw Carmelo Anthony one.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's how much I care about it. It may as well
have been Carmelo Anthony. It might have been better.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
But yeah, I think Ray Ennicks has already met and
passed Penta.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Don't understand how that happened.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I like the match in that you took the belt
off Breaker, but in no way did he look weaker
for it. You put the belt on Dominic myster And
by the way, for all the piped in booze and
how much resposed to hate Dominic Mysterio, the fans.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Fucking lost their shit in a good.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Way when he won did you feel what the internet
did stepping away from the matches that the crowd is
freaking dead for about the first two or three matches
on Night one, that this was just the worst of
the Vegas audience experience that we've ever seen. It felt
like it was rough, and that getting a crowd reaction

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at the beginning of the night was like, do I
have to pay you money to get you to care?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Well?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Are night one? Night one?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
You started out with with jay Us and Gumph. The
match was fine for what it was whilst.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
They were done eating, though it was kind of quiet
in there.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, Gumph's style is it conducive to having high impact,
high flying Max Gumph is a ground based, pounds you
down kind of.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Guy who taps really quick when he gets put in
a submission.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
By the way, Saturday not the first time he's tapped
really quickly in a submission. There's fucking threads and threads
of it online.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Of makes me like him even less as a character.
Is this a big brute that's a little.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Bit live to fight another day? My man?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think that jayu shows entrance got the crowd riled up.
The match was what it was. Yeah, maybe the crowd
was a little dead. USO winning got the crowd route
up again, and then nobody gave a fuck about New
Day war Raiders or Jade Carr Gill and Naomi. Then
business started to pick up again with Jacob Fatu and

(30:13):
La Knight, So yeah, the crowd there. Plus I think
the crowd was like, well, we're only here because we
bought the two day package.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Because only in the Night two is a better show.
Maybe that played into it as well.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I don't know, no one cared about the New Day
and the war Raiders, and certainly so wwe. You gave
us no reason to care about the war Raiders. You
went on a European tour and left them in America
for like six weeks. I forgot they were even raw
tag team champions, and it seemed like the New Day
were stuck here with them where we were having fun
hating them with all that piped in crowd noise, and

(30:48):
then it just kind of went away, and all of
a sudden we were back to caring.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Ye uh El Grande Americano beats Ray Finnix, who was
subbing for Mysterio in a world Ray Phoenix doesn't.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Make his WrestleMania debut and loses. You had two choices here.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Once Mysterio gets injured and apparently it's a groin injury.
But once he's injured.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
You're you're either Dragon Lee or.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Hector Garza or somebody, or you do what they did
with Phoenix. In the end, Olgrindeo Americano had to win,
but I don't think Phoenix came out worse for the
wear for it because there was the metal plate, the
cheating Chad Gable, I mean, excuse me. Elgrindea Americano had
to win here, so I was okay with it.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
But by the way, the match wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It was a fine match.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It was a good match. Shout out to.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
W w E four or maybe this was a Grande
Americano for finally getting a singlet that had a high
enough back that it cover the tattoo that is, uh
his bro mark with Chad Gable.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Just because they have similar tattoos not mean the same same.
They're similar.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
There's if you break it down, there's some differences there.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, like when their knuckles are both cut in the
same manner and promos and yeah, they're similar wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Micah they're gonna you punish somebody with that hand, you
get cuts, and then other guy's.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Similar skill set does the same thing. It happens.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Dude, Everything's not a fucking conspiracy theory. It's it's not
the damn grassy nole Micah.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Hey, you just calm down and take a set from
your Grande Americanaway bring you from Starbucks?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, and I thank you for that. Trip.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
La A is now also Grande Americana. It's a WWE
esque entity. I'm wondering, is that the true way of
this announcement. Is Triple A becoming a w w E
entity or is it a t k O entity? Or
do you think we're gonna get nxt Mexico and they're

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gonna rename this bitch.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think inside of two years it'll be an XTAM Mexico.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Oh now, talk about killing the history of pro wrestling,
John Cena, No, no, no, no, WWE doing a much
better job of that than you ever will.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Anything I say on this is going to sound like
I'm shitting on it, And.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well you didn't have a problem when Triple A was
working with AAW.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Working with and being taken over are two different things.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, and that is true.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You bought MLW, you bought the the course, you only
have two major promotions in Mexico, but you you bought
the lesser than promotion. Also, if you're hoping to sign
Sorea or Page to a Legends deal or bring her back,
that probably goes out the window.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Now what oh because of bringing.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Because that the fucking Triple A Heavyweight Champion last I
checked is Alberto del Rio.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Did you also notice I believe there's allegations that he
almost assaulted Deefanie van Koor before.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I don't know if it was him, but I know
she made allegations about someone and their booker. Conan basically said,
and I'm paraphrasing, so forgive me, but basically said, she's
a crazy bitches.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
She makes up stuff. Crazy bitches make up stuff. She's
a crazy bitch.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Something along those lines, and they made her stand there
during the fucking announcement at the pre show.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I actually felt bad for her. That being said, I'm
all about.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Exposing the world to new talents, regardless of what I
or anybody else thinks of Triple A's placed currently in
the wrestling landscape. You're going to introduce some interesting matchups.
I don't think there's a chance in hell Alberto del
Rio's sticking around with Triple A for very long. I
don't know how long Conan's going to be the booker there.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I guess we'll see.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I know when WWE buys companies and says they're going
to run them separately, that doesn't last for very long.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
So if now look different regime.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
But if history is an indicator, sooner rather than later
NXT Mexico, or it just dog gets evolved into one
thing or whatever, I don't I don't know that this
bodes well for Triple A long term.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I haven't cared about Triple A since I had Rabbit
years and w CW was around doing an alliance with
Triple A. Things like Conan their booker, things that he
said on his podcast, and that guy that they have
with the World Title Belt who continually assaults women and
puts them in horrendous positions, well some of them are

(35:32):
proven because of the jail time that he rest. This
is a this is not the kind of care.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Legal counsel has told me we need to throw in
some allegedly same thing with what I said about Conan,
allegedly allegedly, and.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I was paraphrasy. I was not direct quoting Conan either exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
But all of that leads me to not want to
consume the content from that company. I think the last
time I was consuming content from that company, Cross actually
had some fucking balls in his name?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Was killer?

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Like he acted likely, Oh how do you like scripted
non scripting flying off the handle supposedly on a post show.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
If enough people saw it, and they probably didn't see
it live but if seen it online. I think WWE
made two bona fide superstars this past weekend, one Dominic
Mysterio okay, and the other was carry and Cross.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
The problem.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I don't have a lot of faith in them following,
especially with Cross because I've been burned too many times
by WWE as it relates to Killer, carry on whatever
you want to call him.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
But yeah, first of all, he.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Didn't say any of that without the ok of WWE.
Let's not kid ourselves.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That being said, it all rang true, right and you're like,
oh shit, oh shit, I loved it. I just hope
they follow up with it.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I'm not paraphrasing at all. I just think Cross looks
like a little bit because he flew off the handle
and the next night, on Monday Night, Raw is back
to being the same little meek ass character, being the
good soldier. When he just said fuck being the good soldier.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It was funny, I think, or at least what they
would like us to believe. They're playing the long game here,
the long term storytelling, and at some point there's gonna
be a video package or something where you're putting all
the pieces together with Carry and Cross.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
And it all makes sense.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
My issue, my concern this is also Carry and Cross.
It would be from a WW standpoint, just is easy
to say, ah, fuck it, we don't want to do
this anymore, let's just drop it, and then they just
drop it. But I think there's potential there. My concern
is do they follow through with it.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
There's always been potential there. He's had super start running
all over him, and I don't fucking care because he
put an hour glass in front of you know, in
front of the bloodline like two years ago. When people
are like, look he called their demise. I'm like, guys,
the story's eventually gonna end. You can't say Carrying Cross
did anything Roman reigns.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
There's long term storytelling and then there's fucking two years.
Nobody's telling that story that long. I agree with you
on that that's just a happy coincidence.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
The only one that Karen Cross has taken out or
the only demise he has been the creator of, is
the AOP and Paul Ellering losing their freaking job because
of him. That that would be the only demise that
I could see that he's.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Had all time.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
And that's probably literally just the guy in the suit
and the tie firing those people when he was done
with him.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Both fired multiple times before being associated with with with
with Killer Cross, Carry and Cross.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
So let's not blame him for this one.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
It's a story. We can do whatever we want. It
seems like WW does do it. If we're finally having
hope that they're going to make something out of Cross, that's.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Long term storytelling.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Cross has been ruining AOP and Paul Ellering's career for
damn near five six years now.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
That's your long term storytelling.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Like, if you don't think everything that John Cena and
Paul Hayman and Triple H and Michael Cole are saying
on the Pat McAfee show, was it worked out well
in advance? I got this beautiful nightclub that I have
in Cuba that just needs a little more financing. You guys,
give me a call about it, will make it work
real easy.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
You have a problem with.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
The no comment about my nightclub being Cuba.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
The heavyweight champion of another organization being thrown to the
Wolves or thrown to the Apex Predator un wrestle Ada.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Do you have a problem with that?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Oh, I had a problem with the whole thing immediately
when ahead, I started making a list of everybody that
was in the Andre the Giant Battle Royal, every NXT talent,
every talent that possibly like Bronze Stroman, not him specifically,
but every talent solo go They didn't actually have a
match at WrestleMania, and they were all more worthy of

(40:08):
having that opportunity than Joe Hendry, because well, people like
Joe Hendry song. I don't care for him as a wrestler.
He is the TNA World Heavyweight Champion, and I have
stopped watching that show during his reign because his promos
and his entrance song are the best part about him,
and I don't care for his wrestling, So no, I
didn't care to see him. Two years after the song

(40:28):
was famous popping up at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
You didn't answer Hm a question, Michah, do you have
the problem a problem with the heavyweight champion of another
organization being thrown to the Wolves or.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
In this case, the APEX Predator.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
No, because TNA gets to be thankful to the WWE
overlords for whatever scraps get thrown their way. And when
you are Stephanie Vancoor and you are an NXT champion,
you get to show you are a world class competitor
on Monday Night Raw. And when you're Joe Hendry you
get to look like you get jumped down in three minutes.
Thanks for coming and showing.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I don't disagree with anything you said about more deserving
people other than Ron Strohman.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
But from the standpoint of if your TNA, wouldn't you
have a problem with your champion just going out.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Again as athlete. No, A, you got huge exposure for you.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
B you look at the list of people Randy Orton's
wrestled and beaten at WrestleMania. There's no shame in Joe
Hendry going out there and losing in three minutes four minutes.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Ever, how long that that match was.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
If I didn't know better, I'd say this might be
something that entices me to watch impact. But unfortunately, for
Joe Henry, I already know better. I've seen him work.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
I agree with you, the best part of Joe Hendry
is his entrance and then it's kind of all downhill
from there. So I'm not as enamored with him as
some are.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
But I had no problems with it.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
It was it was fine for what it now different
conversation where they're more deserving people. Yeah, could that have
been Carmelo Hayes? Do you want to do that to Carmeloize?
Like from the WWE standpoint, if you're burying Joe Hendry,
you don't give a fuck. If you're making him look
less than you don't give a fuck. You probably don't

(42:20):
want to do that to a Carmelo Hayes. Now maybe
you don't care about a bron Stroman or a Shamus
or someone like that.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
But Ludwig Kaiser, just anybody on a WW roster felt
more deserving to me. But again, going back to Alaska
I we're talking about, I did think it was cute
how they used Joe Henry to build up the anger
of Good Soldier Carrion Cross, which I think I'd like
to make that his new nick monikers Good Soldier Karen Cross.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Let me see, I think we touched on everything Night one,
Who's So Gone their tag team?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Were there too many people coming out with masks on
and taking them out? We criticized ae W for doing
that a lot, but we don't really bring it up with.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
There we Go, There we Go because sarcasm. Ae W
sucks Tony Kahan camp book. The wrestlers are crap. They
all can't wait to give away, get away.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Everybody's got a goddamn mask.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Fucking Seth Rolins comes out with a goddamn flamethrow.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Where have I seen that before? Micah in that same
fucking city, I almost got my eyebrows singed. I've seen
the fucking flamethrower gimmick before.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
It was an AW and now Seth Rollins is ripping
that off at Mania.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
You mean working with a Mexican promotion, because we've never
seen an American company do that.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Now ripping it off maybe's a bit of a stretch,
but you can't sit there and tell me out of
one side of your mouth how less they had AW
is this, that, and yeah and then cheer.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
When ww's taking from AW and doing it.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Now, if you want to tell me they did it better,
I would disagree with you, but you'd be entitled to
your opinion.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
That's fine. But yeah, there, I just yeah, I don't whatever,
But yeah, I didn't want to let that go.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
You just e were done with night one. I just
want to throw out real quick Jacob to with that
sent on on the top right. That was cool move.
That was a really cool move. Shout out to him
because he brought the crowd alive during that match.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
And if I was adding a third name to that list,
Dominic Mysterio Cross, even though Cross went actually on the card,
Jacob FAUGHTU. They know what they have in him and
I don't. They're gonna try really hard not to.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
F that up.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
I am glad that I've been talking about Jacob fat
long since he was the only thing worth us mentioning
on MLW, which hey, you guys have got mentioned twice
this week. Good for you, because I don't know when
that's gonna happen again.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Uh, you might be right.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I was trying to think of something else real quick
to mention to. But yeah, I couldn't say what you
want about.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Gunther, but that man is my hero.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Now, okay, I'll say a whole lot about him, But
why your hero A broke.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Michael Cole's nose. He choked out Pat McAfee, Lord Willing.
This is gonna keep McAfee off a TV for weeks.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I'm surprised about it because college football season isn't around
the corner. I think it would have been later.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Right, And I guess he was doing his radio show today,
so he's fine.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, he's probably time, but it probably means Gunther is
going straight from world title to fighting a former punter
at SummerSlam.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
If you even drag this out to SummerSlam, maybe you
do it sooner. I thought the commentating for WrestleMania was
fucking awful.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I don't like ex Caliber talking too fast sometimes. I
think sometimes ae W is a little understated when they
should be a little more hype with their announcing every
time somebody farted, every time the AC system in Allegiance
State kicked on. Between Michael Cole, Pat McAfee, and Wade Barrett,

(46:05):
it was like three simultaneous orgasms. I'm like, holy fucking shit,
guys settled down talk about over fucking selling. And by
the way, Pat McAfee and I don't know if you
saw Sena on Monday on McAfee show, but Sena took
some jabs at him over either Pat McAfee's a drunk
rush or he plays the gimmick well.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
And I don't even know which is where it could
very well be him.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
He just plays the gimmick. I understand where you have
him a part of your broadcast and all the positives
probably outweigh the negatives. But if you're just sitting down
watching wrestling, he takes away from matches. I think Michael
Cole when he's on his game is as good as anybody,
maybe even better than most, But I think he gets
sucked into that.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I personally like Wade Barrett, I think he gets sucked
into that. I think they were probably.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Told WrestleMania, build it up, everything's awesome. I thought they
oversold the fuck out of everything to the point where
to me, anyway, it took away from a lot of
stuff that was actually happening. And maybe there were some
things I would have liked better if I didn't have
them trying to tell me how great it was.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
The the fucking I'm gonna put your head between my
legs and bounce you up and down. Oh we've never
seen that before. We fucking see it all the time.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
The Naomi jumping to Jade for the Super Bowl first
I we've ever seen that in the history Jade with
all breakout career. Don't find any performance. Oh my gosh,
it's the world champion.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I'm like, what are you?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Guys? There was a lot of over selling the moment
to a ridiculous level.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I agree to the point where and look, if it
didn't for you and you think I'm wrong, that's fine, dude,
I dropped the audio down.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Don't worry. I'm talking about you guys don't have the listeners.
But yeah, I thought it took away.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I like Joe Tessitur.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I think at times he might be as especially for
ww Sace, a little too understated. I personally like his
style a little better. And there's nothing wrong with getting
excited at key moments. But if you're excited about everything,
then nothing's exciting. If everything's exciting, nothing's exciting, just like
if everything's.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Flat, then you know, you get the point.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I thought the announcing what was a takeaway it was
not a positive for WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
I would totally agree with you. If it's what Triple
H wanted. He's back there calling it hope he's happy
with it. But no, I felt that they've had much
stronger nights and performances overall. Do we already hit everything?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
We did not hit Drew McIntyre Damian Priests in City
Street Fight.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Really liked the finish, like the clay War against the Chair,
thought it built up McIntyre in the right way. Like
Price's guitar solo entrance that was one of the better
entrances as I thought on the night.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Carrie King from Slayer Yep, yep, yep. And we did
not hit on Logan Paul aj styles.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
The only thing I didn't like about Damien's priests intra though,
when he got to the ring. I wish they would
have went back to the guitar player with the camera
a couple times, because watching Damian Priests have to figure
out new ways to throw up the devil's horns or
to celebrate the guy. It felt even like at a
point Damien Prieste is like, what am I doing next?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Why am I do?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
This? Has been a little awkward.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
If I told you Night one.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
The best thing before the main event was Living Color,
would you argue too hard with me?

Speaker 1 (49:36):
And I'm not even saying Living Color was that great per.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Se as opposed to how much everything else Night one
was just kind of there.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, I would agree with you. I was gonna ask you,
why did Michael Cole say he didn't like the Living
Color performance? Did you catch that? I heard he said it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I just love I didn't. I didn't notice it. I
don't know. That was the other fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
And he's talking about the announcers over selling, and I
get it. It was probably part of the running gag.
But every time they'd bring up a rapper or show
a rapper, Michael.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Cole, there's my guy, there's Michael Cole. You don't know
who the fuck that is. I'm not sure Pat McAfee
knows who the fuck that is. I know Damn Good
and Well you don't know who it is.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, No, I thought I thought.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Living Color was really I enjoyed Punk's entrance, and yes,
to your point, but the precentrance you didn't have Full Slayer.
Full Slayer doesn't actually do Damien pre song just Carrie King.
They it's not a Slayer song. It was a WWE song.
They wanted it heavier. They asked carry King to add
some guitars to it, so he did. But yes, I

(50:43):
thought that was a cool moment as well. You brought
up the entrances earlier. None I thought were super.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Great, but I didn't think any were like terrible. There
were some.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Again, I didn't get all the hype for the Tiffy thing.
People out there like Tiffy's entrance.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
That's fine. I'm not gonna hate on you for it.
I've seen years with better entrances.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
The one I really didn't like, and I feel bad
about not liking it, was Bianca bell Airs. The kids
are up there and there's jump rope and all this
stuff going on, and it's kind of happening, and her
music's playing, and I felt like there needed to be
like a build up for when she came out, and
it just kind of felt like, Oh, all of a sudden, look,
Bianca's just walking out, you know what I mean? Yeah,

(51:29):
that one fell flat for me, where I was like
waiting for them to almost stop what they were doing,
for there to be a build up for her entrance.
But for it just trying to kind of keep rolling
and then she just walked out. I was like, that
fell flat for me. That one stuck out to me
on the falling flat side where there was a lot
where they just came out walked out where I expected more.

(51:52):
It's hard to not say that, you know, Jay, you
was so getting the whole crowd to yeat all the
performance that they really didn't try to sell that one,
even though it was kicking off the show. Is one
of the bigger, uh more dramatic entrances.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Every entrance was so damn long anyway, just because it's
such a big building.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Dude, I got like thirty seconds of skipping on each one,
you because I knew I wouldn't miss anything about twenty
feet down the aisle. And that took us all the
way over to Monday Night? Raw. Are we ready for
the Mega Punkers Roman Punkers? Like, I guess we're getting

(52:32):
a tag team matches, but we're nevilbly gonna get with sour.
I don't need anybody Roman reigns, and equally as petty,
I want to kick Paul Hayman's as CM punk.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Ah. I'm fine with it. Am I jumping up and
down for it.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
No, but the flip side to that Ron Breaker on
Monday Night made his intentions known.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
He is a Paul Hayman guy. So Rollins Breaker, We'll
see if there's anybody else.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
After months of having the icy title, maybe we have
found a definitive direction. Can I hope that much?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
For Brown Breaker?

Speaker 3 (53:12):
That's all I want is to know who he is,
because you keep changing me this way, that way, and
now you go this way again.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Obviously, WWE's high on Brown Breaker. I think we knew
that well before Mania, well before raw. Having him in
a faction with Seth Rollins is going to do wonders
for him. Hopefully having him under the Paul Haman learning
tree no pun intended, sorry, Jericho is going to do wonders.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
For should yes Man, I get Michael mcgilli, Cuddy Austin theory,
Buddy Matthews freaking nightmares when we talk about Paul Hayman
being a sure thing or a Seth Rollins faction being
a great idea, because we've seen those both not work
out in WWE.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
But I'm hopeful that's that's true, that's true, but yeah,
I'm hopeful.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Never Mind that all were you ready for Randy Orton,
John Cena, SummerSlam slow Motion.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Hey back to the days where the world title is
not on WWETV woo. You think Jay Uso came out
on Monday night? Row got a little choked up, Jimmy, Sammy,
there is his crutches. What are we doing next with
Jay Luso? Who is trying to go after the yeat Man?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Everybody that the bloodline kept from Roman reigns or interfered
in their chance at a title shot against Rains. You
just run down the list. And by the way, while
I do ultimately think Uso winning was the right move,
I thought the build up for it was terrible.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
This is how you get Uso back. He's the only
champ in town Sina ain't gonna be there every week.
I think he made that abundantly clear on Monday.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
So the CHAMPI you are going to see regularly on
TV is gonna be Jay Uso. This is your opportunity
for any of the doubters, the naysayers, or anybody who says, oh,
you fucked up this build up, wwe to right any
of those wrongs.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Let's see if they're able to do it.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Let's see what kind of substance what he puts together.
And I'm just gonna guess that Drew McIntyre is going
to be first up for Jayu. So Drew big Win
coming off of the Street five. Most of the other
guys that got Big Wins already have titles or directions,
and I think this would be too soon for Grande Americano.
He still has to play around with a you know,
Pentagon or other lucha doors. So I think this is

(55:46):
this is Drew McIntyre's opportunity after beating Damian Priest.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I think El Grande Americano's conning moment comes at World's Colyde.
By the way, for all this major announcement acquisition to
Triple A joint event, does nothing scream less than more
than Triple A NXT KIA forum Saturday afternoon, the appetizer

(56:16):
before the main event.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
How much more could I be beaten down? You tell
me the prestige of Triple A being acquired by WWA
and we're gonna work together, and then you write away
slam that asterisk on it, they're gonna work with NXT. Yeah,
doesn't matter. NXT doesn't matter, This doesn't matter. And uh,
you also It also hurt me personally because I've watched
him not just an AEW. But we're talking about MLW,

(56:41):
we're talking about TNA, we're talking about gc W, Quo, VIKINGO.
We stripped down four of his freaking names already. He
was just VIKINGO. Oh my god, I'm dead.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Look I think I compared Triple A to MLW earlier,
and look, maybe that's not fair, but WW just said
there the Mexican equivalent of TNA, all right, Yeah, partnership,
partnership n xt XT.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah. Look that being said, let's not kid ourselves. You
will see Triple A talent on Raw and SmackDown, no
doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
And so especially if they go to Mexico, because we
even saw an XT talent when EW went to their
international stomping grounds. And you'll get those moments, you get
those little rubs so that you can look really great
while losing to whoever is a real WW roster member.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Ye, anything else, WrestleMania you want to hit, Michael, I think.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
We did everything on WrestleMania Monday Night Raw. It was
a big week for WWE, and I still think Raw
might have been the best show of the four.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, then look, that's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I didn't bring it up because the genies out of
the bottle. Nothing's changing. If that was a one night event,
you could have put on a hell of a card
but have been epic with some of the stuff they
could have done.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
But look that being said, you get twice as many people.
All Right, neither cards great. You made me watch both nights.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Anyway, It's not like I tuned out either night, so
I get why they do the two nights. I also
completely understand why it's not going away, But you could
have put a little more effort into making night one
better and polishing up some stuff and telling a little
bit better story.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
On some things.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
There was one last thing to get to, and it
was Monday night. Raw. I cared for three seconds Russev
is back, and then I realized he was walking to
the ring to take on Otis, who lost to Grande Americano,
who lost to American off. I can't remember the last

(58:42):
time I thought Tazawa and Otis were formidable, and that's
who Rusev comes out to make his his stand against.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
The funny thing is yesterday or Monday.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
During the day, I was saying, all right, Russev's gonna
probably make his debut, if not here SmackDown sometimes very soon.
How long before he's teaming up with Otis and other
dude there in six Man's Now fuck that, Let's just
have him come out and take on Otis night one.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah, Russev Andrade, you effectively return to WWE professionally. I'm
sure you're thriving. You feel that you're successful, you know
you're doing the best work of your career, and I'm
glad you're both happy there because I have not seen
anything great from you.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I guess, I guess I do. Look, I don't begrudge
Russeph for going back. I don't begrudge WWE for signing him.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I would like him to be used a little better.
I think he's worthy of that. I hope they do
right by Alistair Black when he shows back up.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
I'm just always more curious from the standpoint of we'll
never know, why did you want to get away from there,
and what was so alluring about going back? And is
this what you the soft for yourself. I'm not happy
in this position I'm in with wrestling Ricky Starks or
whoever it was last time we saw Russev and how
he's more happy wrestling Otis and Nakazawa like, why are

(01:00:11):
you not happy in mid card one place versus the other?
But it's a whole business world, and I don't expect
to ever get the truth out of these people about
how they're feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Short answer, I went somewhere I thought I was going
to be a big fish in a small pond. I'm
a small fish in a small pond. I'd rather be
a small fish in a big pond that pays better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
But what would be something along those.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Lines what I've liked to Look, let me be really clear,
and we could run down the list of all of
them from the AW standpoint out of Mets rather ethan
page state, Russev, Malachi, slash Alistair Black, who met Punk whomever,
Cody Punk and Cody are the only two out of

(01:00:54):
any of those people who left that AW actually misses,
quite honestly, in two weeks Phoenix and Penta a little
longer for Penta, but have been used better than they
have been being used in But AW doesn't miss any
of those guys. But if you have the opportunity, look,
let's also the head start that AW WWE has on

(01:01:16):
everybody you grew up. If you're a wrestler and you
grew up as a wrestling fan, you didn't grow up
watching AW.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
You might have grown up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Watching WCW, but it's gone. WWWWE is the pentacle. So
I completely get it, and I don't begrudge any of
those people.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I don't begrudge any of them, and I still I
even find with Tony Kahan and AW does to be
more impressive. After Tripleh's Hall of Fame induction ceremony, when
you hear Triple H talking about it, think about the
grooming and the training that he had as a professional wrestler,
and then the opportunity to come sit at Vince McMahon's side. Now,

(01:01:55):
no matter what you think about Vince McMahon, what he
was able to create is incredible. Nobody can book wrestling
like Vince McMahon, and Triple H got to sit there
at his side, and then Vince is telling him go
work with Jim Ross, go work with Pat Patterson. The
amount of wrestling college and tutelage and experience that Triple

(01:02:21):
H has been able to learn from and indulge, not
to mention being around Rick flair in his heyday before
we allegedly could see him losing his mind and his faculties.
It's insurmountable how much knowledge Triple H has about this
business compared to Tony Kahn. It's not even comparable. So
it's impressive to me that Tony Kahn can make a

(01:02:42):
evenly decently compelling, coherent kind of production being a toddler
in this industry. What Aw's been around for five years,
and that's his entire pro wrestling experience. Where we're talking
about Triple H. That is he nearing his late forties
early fifties, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Oh hell no, he's plashing sixty dude, is he?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
He is a really great condition. So either way, we're
talking about a guy that has forty fifty five fifty five,
so what thirty five years, thirty seven years of experience
in the industry. Yeah, and all of the backing of
the WWE name, brand, power and that council he has
around them, compared to Tony Khan just figuring this out
as he goes, it's quite impressive that AW can do

(01:03:26):
anything to even register on the radar of this mega giant.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, I don't I don't disagree, and look to some
do it better? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Look, look, I don't care which one you prefer. Obviously
the majority of people WW and I totally get that.
But yeah, you don't have to like one while shitting
all over the other. You like what you like, and
if you like both, hey, that's fine too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
And I think we'd all like it if we knew
what Gunther did to go from the mountaintop to the
This is not an enviable spot for Gunther.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Uh, it is to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I'd i'd love to check choke Pat McAfee out now,
look to be fair, also punter or no punter, Pat McAfee.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Probably kicked my ass. But yeah, I think ounthers are tasting.
Just saying no, I fear that Gunther doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
And that's why it's on an end of your bill
to go from WrestleMania World Champion to Summer Sam loser
to Pat McAfee.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Oh that one, that's that's a little rough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
That's that feels like a rough landing. Yeah, yeah, that's
barely learning how to fly the plane. That's a that's
a little rough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Also, uh huh gc W no ropes on why is
the Italian knight heart Pete Dunn and carry across so
much better when they're not under the big, beautiful, brilliant
banner of the w w E.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
This is precisely and I'm not necessarily singing the praises
of GCW here about that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I'm not hitting on either.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
But this is why you need alternatives and you need
more than one company, and why the business is better
when more places are thriving. Yes, you can make more
money in WWE if you're Natty knight Heart than probably
anywhere else you go. You don't get used in WWE,
and when you do, it's not used in a one way.
To answer your question, there are places and look, you're

(01:05:19):
also in Vegas and crosses hometown, so that makes him easier.
But there are places that appreciate different talents. Same reason WWE,
while they wanted to resign Ricochet, they were okay losing
him and he's a valuable piece of aw right now
and vice versas.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Same reason.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Tony Kahan didn't want to use Luca Brothers anymore. They're
both thriving in an ad or Page or Starks or whomever.
When there are more places that will appreciate different talent,
it's good for the talent and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
That's good for the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
But yeah, from that to your point, I think WrestleMania
Week you don't have a spot for Natty Crossed didn't
do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Major, at least on screen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Who was the other one you mentioned, Pete Yeah, yea
yea y Thatcher Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pete Donn They went
out and thrived. By the way, my man, did you
see some of the the WrestleMania Week shit, like what
the one of the nights of the joy Janella spring

(01:06:34):
break thing?

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Thing in the shitter him and sa No, not even that,
I saw that one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yeah, that well, that Sabu's retirement match, but still insane.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
It's sixty years old.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I forget what they called. It was basically a Royal
rumble style match. It was, I forget what they called it,
but an undetermined amount opponents. I believe some of the
participants included the Invisible man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, I've got even kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
We're talking about Negative one was in this?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Is that the one that negative won won? Negative one one? Yeah?
Maybe yeah, Negative one. Dan Housen won a gauntlet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
No surprise. Sad that Josh Barnett does no ropes wrestling
better than he did on the underground. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's that whole gc W think carrying Crosscambi a star,
It's proven in Vegas. It wasn't there. But what I
wanted to get to to talked about with you was family.

(01:07:37):
His family is supposed to be forever unless you're a
Callous family member. But maybe I like this family a
little bit better than I liked the original one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Totally not where I thought you were going with family.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Hey, we can be proud of our steps son for
becoming a Ring of Honor television champion. This in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Okay, I'll say this was a good week for little bastards,
say for real, Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Wayne Dominic Mysterio wrestle Mania fifty five main event.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Maybe maybe uh the Callus family. Let's what editions did
we have this week?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
We had Josh Allen, Josh Alexander, the Walking Weapon debuts,
very quick turns, heel got a you know, influenced by
Don Callous. And then you also add in Rocky Romero,
you know, sleazy little henchman to get beat up every
so off and Trent Burretta came back with a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I so don't get Rocky Romero, but that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I didn't get that one either, But all right, look,
I'm gonna give aw credit here. Even when I was
regularly watching TNA, I had no idea why the fun
Josh Alexander wore the head gear other than I thought
he was trying to be a poor man's Rick Steiner.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Are you gonna explain it to the people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
It took about forty seconds into that match.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Before Tony Schiavanni very clearly stated the reasons why he
wore the head gear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
And now I'm no longer bothered by the head gear.
I get it. He had an ear issue, he had
a surgery for a cauliflower ear. Did his ear fall
off or almost fall off? But AnyWho to protect the
ear he needs to wear the head gear makes sense.
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I see him differently as opposed to just seeing him
as I want to be poor man's Rick Steiner.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
So credit there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Do I love Canadian kurd Angle. I've never been that
high on him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
We'll see what happens, well, Lord Willing, your president will
make him the American kurd Angle soon when he annexes Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
But we won't get into politics here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
On the show America Golf in Mexico that every announcers
don't even get that one right sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Right the Rocky Romero thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I think he's a good worker.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I don't see star on Rocky Romeo.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
No. I just think he's going to be a additional
accoutrement to Trent to try to build up the ult
is important next to Fletcher and take.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
It if he can be the who's the Putts with
the camera that used to be with the Bucks. Oh yeah,
all right, I'm good with that. That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
He's gonna be a little bit of a hype man
and an extra hype man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I do like the because we've been talking about this
week's the the callous family and the lack of success.
I do like juicing them up a little bit. The
breada return and the adding Josh Alexander to the Minx.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I do like that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I'm just hoping when Brian Cage comes back this this
means he becomes his own man, and I'm still holding
out hope that, uh will. They seem to be getting
on the same page much in the Kip Sabian I
want to be Love Range is where I put bad
Apple and in the I'm going to become my own
motherfucker range is where I put the Redwood along with

(01:10:51):
Nick Wayne. So maybe I can get my Brian Cage
Redwood tag team back here in a couple months. I
still get holding out hope for that because it was
so awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Do do do the Redwood and the bad Apple? Do
they really need the learning tree or do they just
need a father figure?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
I could see them needing a father figure, but it
depends how many kids that dad wants to have, because
sometimes you know, you're you're a Canadian, you just want
to crack open a beer and some maple syrup and
put your feet up, and do you really need that
many kids running around?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Well, well you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Want to be bothered cracking open legs. So yeah, you
just adopt these these orphans, these wayward orphans.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I think you pick up Big Bill because he might
fit your blonde hair kind of motif, you know, Christian Kiff.
And then you bring in Big Bill and you make
Nick Wayne dye his damn hair to match the family.
It would match his mother.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah. Nick Wayne this past week wins the Ring of Honor.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
TV title, does it on his own, on his own
because that's what daddy want.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
That's what Daddy wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Good week for bastards him he made it happen. It's
a good week for bastards. But how do you feel
it was for scumbags.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I think he's getting I think he's wearing them down.
I think MJF is going to find his way into
the Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Well, when MJF is pimping and the gold is dripping,
it looks like you've won over the Benjamins, And you
know what they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Say, Micah pimpin. It ain't easy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
It ain't easy, but it's definitely something MJF can do.
I just wonder if his Canadian prostitute helped find those
women for him or whatever he calls this lovely girlfriend.
He's the one that for first who are in the
nasty way. Gates of Agony probably had a better match
than we thought they would with the Hurt Syndicate, but
the hertzndiculd still just rip right through them. And that

(01:12:58):
just leads me to saying, even though the was better
than expected, I feel like we need real bona fide challengers.
Is MJF enough right now to kind of keep us
off the thought that well, it's not like the Hurt
Syndicates messing with anybody of relevance. Wait, they're messing with MJF.
He's the most relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Hear me out on this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Well, first of all, shut your damn mouth, because I
think if we could win a match on Ring of
Honor TV, we could immediately get.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
An aw tycheen pedal shot. So don't fucking ruin our chance. Micah,
how about MJF.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Weasels his way into the Hurt Syndicate, and then when
they're trying to take the easy way out of these opponents,
he winds up booking them in against stronger competition, stacking
the odds, kind of like you know how Adam Cole
did MJF when they were best buds if you a member,

(01:13:56):
all that stuff, and and so Bobby Lashley reluctantly goes
along with it, and next thing you know, you're fighting
fucking FTR best two out of three. You're fighting the
legit tag teams and things like that, and instead of
these piece together teams that just look like two big

(01:14:19):
dudes and what have you, and it's actually making life
more difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
And lastly's the only one who really realizes it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
That's the thought. I don't know how this is going
to play out. That's a better thought than I did,
because MVP pulls Lastly aside and he's like, how about
you think about this. You just let me know. You
just say the word when you think he's crossed the line,
and we'll mix all this. And I thought Lastly at
that moment was going to be like, MVP, he's crossed
the line, and we're nexting all of it. And it

(01:14:49):
would just add to that animosity where MVP would be like,
you're not even listening to me here, and we'd be like, no,
you're not listening. Lastly said no, he's still being a
scumbag and said no. But it's gonna be interesting to
see how he weasels his way in. I'm just wondering
if we get to the place of are we already
seeing cracks and the hurt syndicate, does MVP align with

(01:15:09):
MGF and could you see Bobby Lashley against MJF.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I could see Bobby Lashley against MJF. While it may
appear either now or later that they're cracks, I don't
think that's gonna be the case. My guess would be
that MVP is one step ahead of MJF, even if
it doesn't appear that way the entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
However this plays out, but again we'll see we kind
of buried the lead with AAW.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I guess the thing to lead with would have been
new Trios Champions, which maybe ordinarily you wouldn't care about
too much, depending on how you feel about the trio's division.
But he got the titles off of the Death Riders
and into the hands of the new and improved, stronger, bigger,
hobbsier than ever Ops.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
A little bit of concussion, a little bit of upset
Tommy Hook, and all of a sudden Hobbes, who makes
more sense, who looks fiercer, fits in there better. He's
a member of the OPS, and they are the Trios Champions.
John Moxley wasn't going to be doing double duty, probably
right to get the belt off of the Death Riders.

(01:16:23):
It just wonder did the pack injury cause this or
was this always going to be the direction Tony com
is taking. I want to say it was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Assume it was always the direction, because you could have
drugged this out again, I haven't I don't know the
severity of the Pack injury. But even if you're talking
three months, you could have drugged out for three months
and tried to build it to all in. If there
was a need to get the belt off of them

(01:16:55):
before Pack could come back, you could have always did
what you did. Yeah, I'm going to assume that this
was the plan. Now I don't know that the plan
was Hook you're out, Hobbs you're in. I don't know
what's going on there. If they're I'm going to assume
whatever happened the week before when Hook was thrown up

(01:17:16):
in the ring, that's probably what led to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Him not being in the match this past week. But
I don't know that. Yeah, So I don't know that
the plan was always all right, we're gonna do an
injury angle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
With Hobbs because with Hook, because you could have shot
something that the story was he gets laid out in
the back by the death Riders, right, so now you're
down to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Man, you'd have shot that if if that was the
way you were planning it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
So I don't know that that part was planned, but yeah,
probably getting the belts off and look, this gives you
something to do with Hobbes. I think it elevates Hobbs
profile being with Shabata and Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
So I'm good with all that, intrigued by the elite,
because now, how do we get the Bucks trying to
make friendships everywhere they go, playing the politic game in
the background. Hey, hang man, we did that for you. Hey,
We're gonna square everything over between us and the Death Riders,
and don't worry. Then you can swoop in and just

(01:18:15):
steal that world title right from them and bring it
right back here. Trying to bring it all together. It's
an interesting continuation of who they were, but a little
bit different angle now with what the Bucks are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Check with me again in a few weeks on this,
but I'm going to tell you right now as we
sit here, it's just enough of a change to make
me interested.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Now I might lose interest really quickly. I don't know.
We'll see, but I kind of like it. I'm with
you on that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
That's why it's keeping me entertained. I'm keeping an eye
on it. Don't hate it fully. Mercedes Monet did defeat Athena.
I still feel like that match should have happened at
the pay per view instead of the stat Lander match.
Do you feel like it was on purpose or lack
of communication, where to me, at least the announcers underplayed

(01:19:05):
the tights pull. It's the roll up you could see
in the replay, Mercedes clearly grabbing the handful of trunks
from Athena, and I just feel like the announced team,
even though it doesn't matter just from storyline purposes, they
could have called that out a little more.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I didn't notice that, Micah, but and I bring that
up because the things I do notice, because I'm positive
you didn't notice this, and I might be the only
one who noticed it. Every time they went to a
shot between matches of ex Caliber and Tony Shavanni, they're
both wearing their blazers. Tony Shavanni's blazers got the AW logo.

(01:19:39):
Alex Caliber's just wearing a damn black blazer or navy blue.
I'm not sure which it is, but his blazer doesn't
have a logo. Why the fuck didn't ex Caliber have
a damn logo on his coat?

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Because he bringed the wrong coat. That doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Maybe I don't know, Maybe he spilled something on it
and somebody's like, here, use my coat.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I don't know. I saw that stuck at the dust
somewhere first half hour forty minutes of the show. Couldn't
get it out of my head the rest of the
damn night. Micah, Well, what does this mean? Is ex
Caliber really not team ae W? What's going on here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I don't stupid shit, but so yeah, so why I
didn't really pick up on them with the roll up
in the handful of tights, Fucking ex Caliber not having
an AW logo and his jacket stood out like a
soredamn thumb to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Me, it feels like to me, Kevin Knight is the
second chance to do everything right that we did wrong
with action on Dredde and they are taking the appropriate
steps to give him the opportunity. Not to mention actually
when great Dreddi came in green as shit and Kevin
Knight is at least a pretty seasoned product coming out

(01:20:49):
of New Japan, and I think that's done some well
and they're doing the right things with him, and I
like the thought of him working with this little more
pissed off Ricochet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
As a heads up collision this week I believe is
on well, first of all, Dynamite Live Coast to coast
because of the NBA Playoffs. Collision will be immediately following
the NBA Playoffs. Only bring this up because real quick
before we wrap up, Mike, I wanted to bring up
during the NCAA tournament when they did the slam Dunk
Saturday and Sunday and me especially, I don't want to

(01:21:21):
put words in your mouth. I don't remember exactly what
you said. I'm like, I get why they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I think this is a bad idea. I questioned the
Saturday one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
They were still in Cuba tournament going on on other
channels when the TNT broadcast wrapped up, so you were
actually going up against other tournament games. So anybody who
was watching the tournament game there just flip to the
next game instead of staying for aw That's actually not true.
If you go back and look, we'll go back to

(01:21:53):
March eighth, that was the night before the Revolution. Pay
per view Collision did three hundred and sixty three thousand
fans three point fifteen the following Saturday four hundred eight thousand,
slam Dunk Saturday, five hundred and fifty four thousand, slam
Dunk Sunday five hundred and eighty four thousand. It went

(01:22:14):
up then the following week three twenty nine, three hundred
thirty nine thousand, three thirty five the next week, and
then four fifty five on April twelfth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
That move definitely paid off for them. Now, did they
keep eyeballs.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
The if you go back a little further, I'm gonna
say maybe some, But you can't deny that after slam
Dunk saturdayor slam Duck Saturday, slam Dunk Slam Duck Sunday
served its purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
It got eyeballs. I'm curious if they're able to replicate
that with Collision being on after the NBA Playoffs on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
We will see, but it seems like some good numbers
people watch them pro wrestling. Maybe some stuck around for it.
Let's enjoy the beauty of it, and that means it worked.
We can look forward to them doing that again next year,
following up on that, and maybe even quite possibly with
losing the NBA. We do have some college football. I
believe that's going to be on the Warner Network's coming

(01:23:14):
up this season. I wouldn't be surprised and if maybe
we get the same thing Collision or probably most likely
Collision following a football game to see if they can
keep that audience around. If it works, it works, and
that's good to see.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Anything else we need to hit on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Man, We've went all around and I think yeah, GCW
was really the most randomst topic I wanted to touch on.
So if there was anything we missed out on something
from this weekend that we should have talked about, let
us know on X on Twitter. Talk to me. It's
at frankl Mica to keep up the pro Wrestling conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Get the show on ex at PW After Hours. You
can get me at Real Mike Caurlisle. We will talk
to you next week for another episode of Pro Wrestling
After Hours.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
He're on the After Hours podcast Network.

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