Ep 292: We Recap WWE Saturday Night's Main Event, AEW Double or Nothing and More.

Episode 292: We look back at a busy weekend with WWE Saturday Night's Main Event, AEW Double or Nothing, NXT Battleground and more.






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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody. Welcome back to pro wrestling after Hours.
I'm Michael Carlile, joined as always by Micah Franko. Micah
was shaken, man, the body's when they hit the floor repeatedly,
apparently during Anarchy and the Arena Double or Nothing, because
they played that song over, which is far and away

(00:26):
the best song they played during I don't get why
you have to have music playing during the majority of
that match and then stop it at the end. But
if you're going to you could do a lot worse,
then let the bodies hit the floor. If you're wondering, well,
how could they do worse than that? The four songs
they played before that, three songs they played before that

(00:47):
all much worse, which I think, Oh, look, I'm certain
all that was by design. And then the fans finally
get happy, you know, and let the bodies hit the floor.
I don't know, well, we got to have the music,
but I guess we do. Andy the floor was shaking,
the bodies were shaking, antarguing in the Arena Double or
Nothing on Sunday from aw was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Definitely shaking. Was the song in between the Confederate March
and let the Bodies at the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm so excited, Yes, which was briefly the new Collision
song before due to popular demand, they went back to
Elton John. But yeah, yeah, yeah, So I assume they
still had the rights to it or they're like, ah,
we're gonna throw that out in here.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
But to make me laugh for a moment, that one
made me laugh. I did not expect that made me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah. It's a busy weekend, man. You know. On our
MMA podcast, MMA After Hours, which you can get right
here if you're so inclined where you're listening to Pro
Wrestling after Hours, we talked about not a lot going
on in the MMA world. It was an off weekend
for UFC, and when there's no UFC, that typically means

(01:59):
there's not a lot else going on in the combat
sports world. Now, sometimes you have boxing, sometimes you have
BKFC and things like that, but you really didn't have
a lot this past weekend there on the pro wrestling
side of things. Be it WWE, be It, NXT, b
it TNA, be it ae W. You had crap going on,

(02:20):
and I say crap in a good way, but you
had stuff going on all freaking weekend long, and I
thank the pro wrestling. Gods for that.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
The freaking weekend of pro wrestling. I'll quote you on
that one. It was a lot of fun. It was
fully entertaining. You got variety in there. I mean whether
it was WWE, WWE Light or WWDCAF Light, it's fine.
I mean you can associate which brand you think is

(02:50):
which and then ae W. So it wasn't like you
didn't have opportunities and just shows how vast the wrestling
industry is, because think about it, we just came off
of wrestle Mania weekend where everyone was busy that weekend too.
GCW included, so the more the merrier, and there was

(03:13):
a lot to indulgent. Suld you like the pro wrestling
world Before we get into the heavy hitters, was there
any kind of random that you want to throw out
from the pro wrestling world?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Random?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
If it's not WWE main card or ae W, it's random.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Uh. Trick Williams won the TNA title. We should mention
that because nothing against them. We probably won't talk a
lot about the TNA events, and we probably won't bring
up much about NXT either. I don't know that. I
wouldn't say it was surprising, but it was a WWE
contracted wrestler winning a Total NonStop Action title. So that

(03:56):
is something.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's something h Impact is. Uh Impact gets used up
a lot. I don't know what kind of way we
could describe something that's used up by everybody in a
bad part of the agreement and not make it sound
just sexually used up. But Uh, Impact Wrestling has not

(04:21):
benefited a lot, many would say from or.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
At least the part of the problem. Yeah, part of
the problem, Micah. Some people apparently don't know the name
of the company.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Impact Wrestling too.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
They're back to TNA now they have been for a while.
They haven't been Impact in a while. The show might
still be Impact, but yeah, they're back to TNA. I get,
we all know what you're talking about. But the switching
back and forth did them no favors, and I think
they now look different ownerships made the switch from TNA
to Impact and all that. So I mean, not necessarily

(04:56):
blaming this group, but yeah, TNA oftentimes has been their
own worst.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Enemy, and I don't know now in a sense that
it draws more eyeballs they benefit. I believe each time
they work with one of these companies, sure, but they
always feel lesser, and you'd be hard pressed to say
which one of their talent got made to look like

(05:24):
they belong on a bigger stage. I from a financial perspective,
possibly from an eyeball perspective, you see the benefit. But
if it's hard pressed to be a critic of how
their talent is put over, that is a fair assessment
of the working relationships they have with other companies.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
For sure, I'll go ahead and throw this out now
because I don't know how much Raw we'll talk about
from this week with all the weekend stuff we've got
to hit on. But for those who call it, WWE
flat out spoiled a title change on Raw this past
week their Worlds Collide event. If you missed it, they
announced Chad Gable will take on Vikingo for the Triple

(06:07):
A Mega Championship at Worlds Collide on June seventh in
Los Angeles. Here's the problem, Micah, neither Vikingo nor Chad
Gable are the Triple A Mega Champion. Someone does have
that belt, but it's neither of them. It's Alberto L. Patron,
the former Alberto del Rio, who is currently the Triple

(06:30):
A Mega Champion.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I saw the announcement. I saw the announcement that this
weekend VIKINGO would be taking on Alberto the many of
Alberto's I just assumed that last week in the match
it happened. I didn't really look at the date. I

(06:55):
just kind of assumed, Oh, that's how they got the
title off of Alberto. Finally. No, not great planning, not
great foresight. I was gonna real quick comment on the
trick Williams thing one more time. Yeah, did you notice
Joe Henry looked like he was dead inside walking to
the ring man? Walking the plank is hard to do.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I appreciate Joe Hendry and begrudge him none of his success.
He doesn't really connect with me the way he does
with many others, So I didn't pay that a whole
lot of attention. But I don't think you're necessarily wrong either.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
There's usually a more jovialness, a smile. Ah, there was
not it. There was not a man slapping five with
the fans. There was somebody that was. You think after
he got thrown out in two thirty seconds by Roman
Reigns at Royal Rumbull, he was like, well, I can't
get much worse than this shit now. The only reason
they have here they just took for me, not even
the impact. Well I think a world champion.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, I think part of it was probably by design
big match, a little more serious. But let's be honest.
I jobbed out to Randy Orton at WrestleMania for this
so I could drop my TNA title back in my
home company to Trick Williams. And I'm not knocking Trick,
but this is how I'm thought of. I don't know

(08:21):
that this is how I envisioned my career going.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right now, I'd say that's a fair assessment of the
situation and how he looked to have been in the
fate of that. But WWE blowing the Triple A bookings
not treating an XT Mexico very nicely.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Do they assume that people in Mexico don't watch raw
is Netflix the tariffs on getting Netflix in Mexico too much,
and they assume nobody's gonna see what they did there
because now, look, I guess t k owns at all now,
so it doesn't matter. But if I'm the people on

(09:05):
the ground at Triple A, I'm pissed off that you
just ruined my damn title match for my big show
in Mexico City on May thirty first.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Then you call your bosses, your owners and tell them
you're pissed off at what they did.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't think so no, So I think so well
that ends well.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
WWE can do no wrong to the ants that are
below them.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't care about Alberto del Rio's feelings at all,
but I hope he already knew this was the plan
before he saw it on RAW or saw it on
social media that they announced on RAW that Vikingo and
Chad Gable was for the belt that he currently has.
So obviously you got one of two things here. Vikingo

(09:48):
is either beating Alberto del Rio L Patron on May
thirty first, or the title is about to become vacant.
Or I guess you're gonna have the Triple A US
Mega Championship and the Triple A Mexico Mega Championship. But yeah,
one way or the other, the two people they announced

(10:11):
for this title fight, neither one of them are currently
the champion.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
And uh, that is the evil of WWE in my eyes,
that there is no fault of WWE and they're so
pad powerful. We can criticize, but what does that do.
I mean, I feel like we've pointed out a couple
of things in the last couple of weeks that I
feel like creatively they've spoiled or they could have done better.

(10:39):
And I guess I just got to assolve myself of
the high expectations I have in this company and just
mindlessly indulged all of it. Like people that don't criticize, well.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, look, I don't think they messed up. I don't
think it was by accident. I don't think that they
thought the title had gotten changed last week. I mean,
I believe they knew exactly what they were doing, and honestly,
to the American fans, I don't think it matters at all.
But I think this probably is a little telling exactly

(11:11):
how much they really care about Triple A, the fans
down there and their new purchase. You're gonna become a
whole lot less Triple A and a whole lot more
WWE in a hurry, and you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like it is what it is. It is what it is.
It's the time. I feel like we throw around a
lot with WWE. Though they're gonna throw it out there
and it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, well, no, I don't think I used that term,
did I? Or you just using it?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Didn't you just say it a second ago? And I
thought we said it once last week.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I feel I say it a lot.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
WWB.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, no, you're right, I do say it a lot,
and I did say it on our MMA show earlier
about something. But yeah, no, I don't know that it
is what it is per se, but I think they
knew exactly what they were doing. Put it like that.
It was in an accident, It wasn't a flub, it
wasn't an oversight. I just don't think they cared that
in their world, and I don't mean don't care, But
in the WWE universe, it doesn't matter that Alberto El

(12:13):
Patron is currently the Triple A Mega Champion. We need
to announce this big fight. I assume it's going to
be the main event, but certainly one of the bigger
matches on this card. We need to announce it now
to generate interest for this show that we're gonna put
out for free on YouTube, and let them let everybody

(12:34):
know that there's going to be a Triple A Mega
Championship match between Viking O and Chad Gable regardless of
if Alberto El Patron is currently the champion, it just
it doesn't matter to WWE.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I hear you. It just it's something that doesn't matter
to them, But to any sort of knowledgeable fans, I agree,
it kind of matters. And it makes me. It makes
me care less about their event that much that they
can't even wait for it to play out. They jump
the gun that much. The title doesn't mean that much.
If there's a title match coming up, that isn't as

(13:10):
important as the title match after it, But.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
It is because you got to get about off of it,
you know. I think if I'm a if I live
in Mexico and I'm a Triple A fan, this gives
me all the more reason to believe that my worst
fears are going to be realized. I do think there's
been some backlash down there that is this really going
to be lucha libre? Is this going to be the

(13:35):
Triple A I thought it was, or is it going
to be like like you've put it, NXT Mexico, WWE Mexico.
Because if this is the way we're going to be
doing business, this ain't what we're accustomed to down here,
and we're either going to have to get on board
or we're all about to become CMLL fans, you know,
because this is going to become Triple A America or

(13:59):
whatever you want to call.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It, Triple A Mexico sponsored by Tikate. I thought i'd
get a better leave out of you. Maybe Tequila Hermana
or whatever the Rock does, he'll actually try to take
his tequila to people that drink tequila. I don't know.
It just doesn't it. It doesn't do anything to make

(14:22):
me want to watch the Worldwide Collision Special free on YouTube.
It's free, and they did let and they didn't do
anything to entice me to watch it by announcing this
title fight that isn't yet actually a title match, well.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean it is just neither one of them or
the champion yet.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So so it's an interim title match.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
They're not taking a page out of Ufay. Well, maybe
you know what, maybe Alberto El Patron is about to
become the Mexican John Jones and the winner of Kingo
Chad Gable is going to become Tom Aspinall and have
an interm. Maybe I got a feeling May thirty first
might be the last time you see Alberto in Triple a,

(15:06):
but we'll see. Let's get into the weekend, Micah, and
for the sake of continuity, if nothing else, let's just
go in order and start with Saturday and Saturday Night's
main event on Peacock and we'll just go in in
order of the card. Since the card continued to build

(15:27):
all night. We started out seeing Punk Sammy's Ain versus
Seth Rollins ron Breaker. This one was a little weird
to me. I enjoyed the match, nothing wrong with it.
I don't know if you called this punk. Halfway three
quarters through the match, finally takes his shirt off and
it was either really cold in that arena or he

(15:50):
was really excited about the match. I thought he was
gonna put somebody's eyes out with the with the high beams.
I don't know, don't know if you called that, if
that was just a me thing, but yeah, it was
either cold or he was really excited.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Puffy nipple CM punk, that's what the search is online,
and yeah, yeah, there's there's a couple of people that
have kind of colleged it, so it's out there. Puffy nipples.
Was it cold in there?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Did he have some weird.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
St the shirt rubbing on him, Yeah, I don't I
don't know. I don't know that it was the look
Punk wanted. In the end, Rollins Breaker get the win
and we get a new member of the Hayman Breaker
Rollins faction and his Bronson Reid.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I thought a Monday Night Raw as seth Rawlins will
to jump to Monday Night Raw real quick was going
through his speech. I thought we were going to get
the name of the group, and for a second I
thought he was gonna call it the I thought the vision.
He's like my vision, our vision. I thought he was
gonna be the vision. Won't be surprised if that ends
up becoming the name, because he can see things. He

(17:10):
has this vision, and I guess Bronson Reid changed it
when he splattered his guts because all of a sudden
they're friends, not to jump out of it, not to
hate it. Would it have made more sense to you?
Would you have thought Bronson Reid returning to the B
team would have made more sense? And Jeff Cobb debuting

(17:32):
with the Punk Faction or do you like this switch
of ever large samo and tonguean descent, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
My only problem with it being Bronson Reid and not
having him go back to, as you put it, the
B team is. Last time we saw Ronson Reid, he
had been going back and forth with Breaker. He and
Rollins weren't on good terms. They were on opposite sides
of the fence. So that was out of a little

(18:01):
out of left field. Maybe that was though they looked
at that as this will make this even more shocking
because people wouldn't expect Bronson Reid to be siding with
Breaker and Rollins, or Rollins and Breaker.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I get that, but just me, I wish it was
the other way around that. Just Jacob was surprised that
Bronson returned because oh, Solo's going behind my back, and
then Seth Rollins has this brand new henchman disassociated. That
would have made more sense to me. But I do
like that there's now a three man. I bonded that
last week to you didn't have the name in my head.

(18:38):
I do like the look of it, the feel of it,
and also.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think it tells you they think a lot more
highly of Bronson Reed than they do of the former
Jeff Cobb, the now j C. Matteo, which is why
I think they did it the way they did. You
put Cobb with the B team and Bronson Reid with
Hayman Rollins and and breaker Zelena Vega Chelsea Green. I

(19:03):
don't know why they added this match to the card.
They sure didn't give it a ton of time. Vega
beats Chelsea Green, she retains the women's US title.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think that Zelena Vega is a far cry from
being Mercedes Monet, and I think that Chelsea Green is unheralded.
I mean, I would not have given up with this
President of the United States with her secret Service. I

(19:38):
can't hear it was hilarious, it was effective. We let
Roman Reigns have the uzos jump in for like three years.
It feels like they were quite shortsighted on the Chelsea
Green title run. To have Zelena Vega impersonating someone else's
title run.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, they've also got Zelena Vega impersonating Sasha Banks, so
I mean it kind of fits. I hear you on
the Chelsea Green thing. I think, and look, you can
still do all that with the secret Service and all that,
but without the belloty it doesn't mean as much. I

(20:17):
would one agree with you on that. Sena versus Sena,
John Cena versus Ron Sena in a non title match. Yes,
Our Truth came out in the John Cena gear, but

(20:38):
it was Ron Sena, not John Cena. This was way
more entertaining than this match should have been based on
its importance non title. Our Truth ain't Beaten Sena any
of that, any of that. But I ain't gonna lie.
I loved Our Truth coming out like that. The match
was short. It was by no means a Matt classic,

(20:58):
but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it,
because I did.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
It was fine. I really enjoyed the intro. I enjoyed
a lot of the interaction, but at the physicality it
was John Cena. Hey, Archie's gonna get some moves, said,
holy shit, we didn't see that. Are John Cena? Squish dum?
It's like, I guess it was fine for what it was.
I just we got through it, and we got through it,
and John Cena rocked the Creamsicle. So there you go, Tampa.

(21:27):
You got the John Cena shirts for the last time
and they were in the Creamsicle, so it was original
Tampa Sports.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
There you go. We got Drew McIntyre Damian Priest inside
the steel cage and if you paid attention. They told
you exactly what was going to happen from the beginning
of the show, with Jesse Ventura railing against walking out
of the cage and all that, Oh there's gonna be

(21:55):
a winner. You don't walk out of the cave. Oh look,
Priest walks out of the cave. Imagine that the match
was fine for what it was. I don't think it
was anything super special, but didn't hate it. I don't
enjoy when they bring Jesse down to the commentary. I'm

(22:17):
fine with him and testitur up on the stage or
whatever beforehand. I get why they do it, and I
don't follow them for it. I just don't think it
hits In twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
The truth will get you nowhere. And I'm not talking
about raw and truth or our truth or Jimmy truth
that's invisible. But we said nobody made more sense than
Drew McIntyre for a long time against CM Punk, and
all that truth has done is drive him down. I

(22:51):
don't know where we go whose we've already had a deprave.
I can't win. There was a lot of similarities between
besides the bracelet, the Punk and Damian Priest interactions with
Drew McIntyre. I'm not sure where he goes from here
because it feels like he's going down and almost in

(23:12):
the same instance, when we start talking about the next match,
I don't want to get ahead of us. I don't
know where this takes Damian Priest to the next level,
because unfortunately main events look like they're kind of taking
shape YEP, and mid card titles that would be a

(23:33):
like a backward step dealing with Don Mysterio in the
Judgment Day one more time. So it's an interesting place
for Damian Priest.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think, yeah, but it makes sense from a storyline
and maybe add some prestige to the mid card titles.
Like you said, it looks like your main event picture
is going to be sewn up for a while, so
you make the most of what's left. Every Micfoley match
wasn't a main event. Every Triple Ah match wasn't a
main event. So while I agree with you one hundred percent,

(24:03):
I think you make the best of what you've got left,
which does get us to our main event of Saturday night,
and that was jay Uso defending the world title against
Logan Paul. Wasn't a lot of time left on the
show when this match starts, so we knew we weren't
getting some sort of epic classic. John Cena shows up,

(24:24):
pulls the ref out. He attacks jay Uso and then
Cody Rose music hits. He comes back, fights Sena off.
Logan goes after Cody with the brass knuckles and gets
a spear from jay Uso. Uso gets the win and

(24:47):
looks like we're going to get a tag match at
Money in the Bank.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Really weird that Cody came down and made this match.
I like the Cody return. I kind of waited till
Monday night to year the announcement for Money in the Bank.
I know Money in the Bank is about the ladder matches,
not fully excited that the two world champions will be
engaged in a in a tag title match, and I

(25:12):
don't and I know for you, and I know for
a lot of fans, and be very easy to go
back to loving John Cena, but it's gonna be pretty
hard each time he teams with another douchebag for me,
just not to be like John Cena's a douchebag. He'd
like Logan, Paul Kid Frost, whatever. I'm like the rock

(25:32):
as the final Boss. It's just all douchey at this point.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
I think we're all evil.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Is this douchey?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Maybe we're so. I think we're already sowing the seeds
of John Cena becoming a face again. And I think
I told you after a Saturday Night's main event. I
think this is going to end. Obviously he's going to
drop the title back to Cody, but Sina's run is
going to end beating Logan Paul for the other world

(26:02):
title and the fans loving him for it as his
full time career comes to an end. Now, maybe I'm
wrong on that, but don't be surprised. So I think
we're certainly so in the seeds of turning him back.
Maybe you don't need to have him beat Logan Paul.
Of course, Logan's got to beat Jay first, but I

(26:23):
think that's what we're headed to.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I just didn't get the I got those seeds a
week or two ago. I didn't get them at the
Saturday Night main event when he said I'm taking both belts.
He runs out there and helps Logan Paul causes it
a disqualification that all felt pretty damn evil to me.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, No, you missed the whole part where he hesitated
hitting Ron Sena with the belt, the very thing that
he mocked Cody for and that cost Cody the title.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
That they're sewing that before or after he kicked him
in the nuts.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Before I believe it was before. Yeah, look he's still evil, Sina,
but you're playing. I think you are starting to plant
those again. This ain't ae W. We don't do things
on a whim or or a quick turn. We draw,
we tell stories, and we do the slow build. You're
doing the slow build. You're gonna get through money in

(27:22):
the bank. I'm assuming Summer Slam is where we get
Rhodes and Sena and that's where Seena is going to
drop the title and then if not there very shortly
thereafter he's a face again. And if he's going to
go after one more title, you got to get the
belt off of j and so Logan and then yeah,

(27:42):
all that crap I said, But yeah, you're you're you're
you're sowing those seeds. I don't know that it's going
to plant you a bountiful garden, but but you're already
sowing those seeds.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
How about no Logan, Paul, No Logan, Paul? How about Gunther.
How about good guy that wrestles Jay Usso the Monday
night after money in the bank and Gunther actually has
the title before and we get a real legitimate reign
of terror from Gunther. John Cena loses the title legitimately

(28:17):
and then slowly has to have this reckoning of himself
looking in the mirror because of seeing what Gunther is doing,
and that brings back He'll Seena.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I can feel those seeds a little bit better, and
I have no problems with that. The only thing that
would change I don't think you have seen a beat
Gunther at that point that could wind up being seen
as last match. But you're the point is the whole
point of all this is you're building towards one more
title for Sena, but you're doing it the way the

(28:49):
fans wanted it in the first fucking place, and that's
cheering for John Cena and trying to root him on
to do that, not the wonky shit with the rock
and then the rock disappearing. So you're doing what you
wound up having to do here, But then you're telling
the story the way the fans want it anyway, whether
it culminates in a title change, or.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Not Roman reigns ever catch up to Johnson as eighteen.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I don't think anybody does. But the people on the
roster right now, Rains would be the odds on favorite.
Just you know, I'd be look, and I know Orton's
probably closer numbers wise, but I don't see that many
more title reigns in Randy's future. Yeah, so I think

(29:38):
you have a lot more opportunities with Roman. So to
answer your question, if it was going to be anybody, yeah, Roman,
but I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I don't know if there needs to be And one
day we'll count Rick Flair and get the correct number,
twenty eight time world champion, whatever it is, fifty six.
I want to know the real number.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I am of the I believe it's twenty three, and
sometimes Rick uses that number. Sometimes he uses eighteen. I've
seen him use a few and hell, he may not
even know at this point. But there were phantom NWA
title changes in New Zealand and Japan. There was one
somewhere along the way where a title change was overturned,

(30:23):
and it's a little convoluted. I'm cool if we stick
with sixteen, but it's probably more than that. So that
got us through Saturday, which gets us to Sunday. Ae
W in Phoenix Double or Nothing, which third straight double

(30:46):
or nothing. I attended live. They've all been fantastic. This
one might have been the best so far. Not that
there weren't some issues, and we'll get into those, but
real quick. On the the pre show, you had Anti J,
Harley Cameron versus Megan Baine Penelope Ford. I thought this

(31:07):
match was fine for what it was. I think Penelope
Ford is really good, so is Meghan Baine, but I
think she's a little greener Harley Cameron and Anti J
for that. Harley Cameron's someone who I thought very lowly
of has really impressed me with her growth as a performer.

(31:32):
And I thought all four of these ladies went out
and busted their humps.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Very good for what it was. I never thought i'd
see asked worshiping in that manner in ae W. I mean,
probably not the first person that thought of having Harley
Cameron never mind never mind. But the only thing that

(31:58):
I was surprised about is I was little surprised at
the end of the match that I don't know if
it would have been short sighted, but AW has a
tendencitybs short sighted. Kind of surprise, Megan Baine didn't lay
out Penelope Forward for costing them the match.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
She needs Penelope Forward. That's probably the only reason why
we also win. The pre show had the eight man
tag with RPG, Wece and the Crew versus Bandido, ar
Fox and lost Titans del Air or whatever whatever. I
didn't nothing against anybody in this well, nothing against six

(32:35):
of the people in this match, but I didn't care
for it at all. When you come out in your
TMU Road Warriors shoulder pad thingies, you completely lose me.
I don't have anything against rush Or Andretti, but that
team is just complete trash to me. So that took

(32:56):
away from this. But again, this match was all about
a bunch of high spots get the fans hype for
the start of the pay per view. I think they
succeeded in that, even if it wasn't anything super special.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
In person. I think you said this when we talked
about Wednesday's Dynamite when we got to see it in
person at Bendido's strength, Really it's more visual when you're
in person. I was more impressed with Bendido than I
expected to begin to see him two times. The four
way shooting star presses impressed me, and it was a

(33:34):
little awkward though, when you could obviously tell if you
pay enough attention to the beginning of the match, hey
or Fox does not speak Spanish. Yeah, there was a
couple spots. I think when the drop kick was all
three of them, they meant for it to be all four,
and he's like ah, because he didn't know what they
were talking about. But for a Lucha multi man match,

(33:56):
it was the best one I saw all week.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah. No, and again it served its per It got
the fans excited right at the start of the pay
per view, which they kicked off the pay per view,
and it made a lot of sense. You book in
the pay per view with the two Owen Hart Finals matches.
We open up with the women's final, Jamie Hayter Mercedes Monette.

(34:18):
I've been critical at times of Mercedes and I probably
will continue to be. I will say her work over
the last couple of months has been very, very good.
I thought her and Hater had an excellent match, to
the point where even though I knew there was no
way it was happening, they had me convinced that it
was very possible Jamie Hater was going to win and

(34:40):
go on to all In. In the end, we know
that doesn't happen. Mercedes gets the win and now it's
her in spoiler for later, but Tony Storm for the
women's title at all In.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
There was enough close calls, there was enough kickouts, there
was enough two counts. The hate was set up so
many times you thought it was the possibility, and in
the end the finish with that hammer lock small package.
I don't know if that's a shot at Tony Storm.
Also that Mercedes Monet has her own small package, but

(35:18):
it was an out of nowhere, not a definitive win.
So one of the better matches that Mercedes Monet has
had on the AEW probably Mesh has been with them.
And I don't think that Hater lost anything from this one.
I feel like she might have actually gained some respect
because I think there was a real downer on her
seventies character not connecting.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think, and we'll talk about this more when we
get to the men's one, but I think they did
a great job of building both competitors in the two
owen Hart matches and having them come out stronger. Even
though two of them were coming out with LS. Yeah.
I think this match did everything they wanted it to

(36:00):
do to culminate the women's side of the owen Hart Tournament,
to get you excited about the women's title match. It
all in, and even in defeat, like you said, have
Jamie Hayter coming out more believable as a legitimate threat,
whether it be to the TBS title or the winner

(36:21):
of all in. I think even in defeat, you believe
more in Jamie Hater's ability to possibly win a title
than you might have going into the match.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think I agree with all that. I'm interested to
see how they build it up. There's two mega personalities.
I think that even in the post fight or the
post match pres conference, Tony Kron alluded to it how
this has been something in the making for a year,
the belt collecting that Monet had been eyeing Storm. So

(36:54):
we're really intrigued to see how the two most seasoned,
most well known female entities that they have on the
roster puts together a story that leads up to the
biggest show of the year.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Micah Up. Next, we had FTR taking on Daniel Garcia
and Nigel McGuinness. I'm a huge Nigel McGinnis fan, so
I was happy to see him live and in person
in twenty twenty five. The reality to me the right
team won an FTR. I thought we might have some

(37:29):
shenanigans leading to the win, as in either Garcia turning
on Nigel or Nigel turning on Garcia. We didn't get
any of that. I thought the match was a little long,
but based on the heat that FTR got leading up
to this dynamite collision collision, I get why they gave

(37:50):
him plenty of time. The match was fine for what
it was. I'd have shaved off a few minutes. But
FTR ultimately gets the win. I guess Nigel goes back
to comment and Daniel Garcia goes back to Daddy Magic.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I well, all that makes sense, But I liked your
hypot news of the drama a lot better because I'm
not sure what the end all be all.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I guess this is the.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Same as Gunther beating up McAfee. What was the end
all be all? The badasses look like badasses again, but
I thought FDR had already been on that trajectory with
beating Paragon had looked pretty proficient. I thought there had
to be an endgame to Garcia. I guess this is

(38:39):
are we over with FTR proving Garcia that their methods
were better than his. I don't know what's next for FDR,
if it's not the hurts and the gate, or if
we continue them to be on Garcia's shoulder somehow.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh I could totally see Garcia still being involved with FDR,
just Daddy Magic, maybe even cool Hand instead of Nigel.
My assumption would be the problem with Nigel turning on
Garcia would have been, well, Nigel's not coming back full time?
Do we really want to heal announcer sitting beside Tony Shavani,

(39:17):
who he had been defending leading up to this, I
think that would have probably created too many problems. Now,
if Nigel was looking at a full time comeback, him
being a part of the FTR stable I think would
have been phenomenal. But assuming that's not in the cards,
it wouldn't have made a lot of sense for him
to turn. But yeah, Garcia and FTR being done with

(39:37):
each other I don't think is the case. This is
another one of those types of wins following the Paragon
win that you would alluded to for FTR. So it
keeps them headed in the right direction. But yeah, you're
probably gonna see more Garcia Daddy Magic, and maybe Daniel
Garcia eventually turns on on Daddy Magic, which probably wouldn't

(40:00):
be a bad thing either. But at this point you
might be too deep in the woodstet to have garcias realizing, Oh,
f t R is right, but let me join up
with them.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I think you're right. I don't know what we do
with it. I don't know if you got the uh.
I know that Dak's liking himself to be a pretty
hardcore Brett Hart fan. There is no stone called Steve
Austin and Daddy Magic from the liking of the no
Blood pass out give uh, I mean that that's what

(40:35):
the end look like, but there's no connection or magnitude
of that big Well, Daddy, not Daddy Garcia. Daniel Garcia
valiantly fended out FTR with every last bit of energy,
and we love him for that. I I just didn't

(40:56):
feel that, but go FDR.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I suppose up next, we had the stretcher, match Mark Briscoe, ricochet,
two scissors, a bottle of windecks, and a lot of
tables and other weapons in this one. I love this match,
by the way. In the end, Ricochet gets the wind,
throws the incredibly bloody Mark brisco into the ambulance, and

(41:21):
wins the stretcher match.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Big spots, and I said it on next and I'll
say it here. You would have told me that between
Bowen's castor and Ricochet, Ricochet would be the scissor King.
I would have never chosen that one his new weapon
of choice. Almost surprised there was no fake leg pulled
out of ambulance. But everything of that match was incredible,

(41:49):
including the big spots around the ambulance. The I can't
even remember exactly what it was that brisco stuck in
the door to stop.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
It from the crush.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, it was a crunch when he first thought the
victory and then hitting Ricochet with the fire extinguisher. That
was some inventive spots and some incredible bleeding from Mark Briscoe.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah. As this match was going on, the only thing
that kept going through my head is why are we
doing this match on the same card as an Anarchy
in the arena match. And we can come back to
that when we get to Anarchy in a minute. But
I will say there wasn't a lot of duplicate spots,
but I don't I would have done again. I love

(42:37):
this match. I just questioned it being on the same
card as an anarchy in the arena match. But it
as we'll get to later. If you don't already know.
If you don't already know, shame on you. But everything
kind of tied back in at the end. But Brisco
bled his rump us off. Dude, he bled his butt off.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Incredible, just pouring the blood and not even just one
time in the night.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, exactly. Hurt Syndicate defended their tag team titles against
the Sons of Texas Dustin Rhodes Sammy Gavara. I just
don't like that team, and I know they're a long,
ragining ring of honor tag team champions. They should just
stay over there. The match was okay to me. The

(43:28):
match was more about watching the Hurt Syndicate seeing if
MJF was gonna cost them in the end. They tease
that a little bit, but everybody's on the same page
with the Hurt Syndicate at least for now, and they're
able to get the win.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Definitely, not all as well, or did they want us
to think all is not well. We had the most
embrace and love and man love that you have seen
between MJF and Lashly, and it did come with that
stern fatherly loved that Lashly was giving to MJF. But
all as well, except for Dustin Rhodes, who got just

(44:09):
blasted through a barrier. I think it's brilliant the way
that ae W has. I don't know if they've looked
at themselves or they've allowed the hurtsndic get to do this,
but Shelton Benjamin has looked like a million bucks.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Both Ricochet and Benjamin since coming over respectively from WWE
have looked phenomenal real quick. On Ricochet. If i'm WWE,
I'm regretting not seeing this character in him and giving
him a chance with it in WWE. As far as Benjamin, yes,

(44:46):
I think Tony Kahn when he brought them in or
shortly after they got in, he made the decision. Shelton
Benjamin's gonna be every bit as big, strong and tough
as Bobby Lashley is. And that's the way they booked this.
And I don't think they've done it at the expense
of lastly. They've just done it in a way to
make Benjamin look like an equal and not the second

(45:08):
guy in that team. If I am Tony Kahan, if
I am AW, here's my concern with MJF and the
Hurt syndicate. If this is going to be short term,
and however it happens, there's going to be a breakup,
you're running a real strong possibility that Mjf's going to
be a babyface. And I don't know. If that's what

(45:30):
you want, that's fine, but I don't know that's what
AW wants. But if it happens, I think the fans
are going to make it happen. Mjf's going to be
the babyface, and I don't know how that works with
the MJF character.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I'm less concerned about that than you are, because I
don't feel that the MVP lash handom can become a
face faction. I feel like that dynamic where it's better
being ethful.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Oh no, I agree. Well, that's why when they split,
Mjf's going to be the face. I just don't think
that's what's best for mjf's character and AG We've been
down that road before, and while I enjoyed the Adam
Cole stuff through nobody's fought. It all got derailed, and
maybe that turns out a lot differently if nobody gets hurt.

(46:24):
But at this point, I think MJF can be the
best heal in the business, and doing anything else with
him other than trying to get him to be that
is doing him and the company a disservice. So I
think that's something you're going to have to be careful
with because, yeah, if there's a split up, unless MJF

(46:44):
just goes scorched efing earth on everything, there's no way
the Hurt Syndicator are going to be the faces.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I think he can be the healed, but I think
you can do the match in a way that he
out heals them out. There's them still dynamite rings and
it's the devil out deviled you. So I could still
see him being the face and lead up and match night,
we're gonna do what we're gonna do, and I'll still
we'll both be hated by the end of it.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, but and yes, even I agree with you, But
even doing that, fans got a cheer for somebody, it
won't be the Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Just so they'll be cheerff still because he's ours comeback.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, yeah, Okada Speedball Bailey for the continental title. Damn,
this was good.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
This was no.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I didn't think for a second Speedball was gonna win,
but he more more micah than held up his own
in this match with Ocada. I thought this was really
damn good.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Mike Bailey has taken some huge sleeps in his performance
since coming over from I think you call the TNA wrestling.
That's what we're going by these days. Yes, the TNA.
I think he's already far exceeded expectations yep, with this character,
with his physical abilities, with his on the mic, and

(48:07):
that he more than held his own with Okada, who
man live This stuff just hits differently. But that might
have been the best version of Okada that we've seen
in a Yeah, in aaw.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
It might very well be. I fully expected by this
point in time Speedball and no disrespecting their worst things
in the world, but to basically be ar Fox at
this point or Leo Rush at this point, or you know,
someone like that. They've done a phenomenal job at Speedball
MC Bailey utilizing his strengths and look good for him.

(48:46):
He may never be a main eventor but at least
the way they're using him right now, he's going to
be close to the top, if not in the top angles,
So good for him. I enjoy this match. You know,
Okata was phenomenal here, so was Speedball that the crowd
was definitely into it. This one was really good, as

(49:10):
was timeless Tony Storm Mina Shirakawa for the aw women's title.
I love this one as well. I ain't gonna lie.
The best part to me was the stuff at the end,
the big kiss between the two, the other lovey dovey stuff.
But I thought this was a really good match. It

(49:30):
just this one. If we're gonna be negative at all,
it just felt predictable. Especially after Mercedes won. You knew
there was nothing that was going to stop them from
doing Tony Storm Mercedes Monette at all. In maybe if
Hater had won, you could convince yourself that maybe Mina
wins and we're saving that Tony Storm Mercedes deal for

(49:55):
for another time. But once Mercedes won the women's owen
Hart Final, if Tony Storm dies in the ring, Mina
Sherikawa is rolling her on top of her to make
sure Tony gets the win.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
If you look at the entire card. We can go
from Daddy Magic to Stoke Lee, don kallus MVP. None
of them are more essential to their character's performance and
added more on the night than Luther did to Tony Storm.
And I'm just talking about that was the press conference

(50:29):
where she was playing his head as a damn drum.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I mean the boding.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
He does so much to not be in the spotlight
but enhance what happens in her matches when he's utilized,
and it's so minimal that when he is utilized that
it really jumps out. I thought that was some of
the best parts how they utilized Luthor, not to mention

(50:55):
give them credit, because I don't think he would think
of many women Mina and Tony that can work that
old school I feel like more of an eighty style
wrestling match is what we got out of them, and
there's not a lot of women that can work that style.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
That got us to anarchy in the arena and Micah,
I'm not sure if we're gonna spend thirty seconds or
thirty minutes on it. I could see it going either way,
just because there was so much stuff going on. I
don't know if we're going to tire very quickly on it,
or if we're gonna keep going and going and going
A couple things here right off the bat, watching it,

(51:34):
you know, being live in the arena, trying to watch
the action with your eyeballs, keeping an eye on the screens.
I don't know if the screens were exactly what they
were showing on the pay per view or not, because
I haven't gone back to watch the pay per view
on TV, so I don't know what all made it

(51:55):
on the pay per view or not. But there was
shit going on everywhere. I will say personally, I don't
recall seeing a lot of Wheeler Yuta during the match.
I know he was there. I know there were some spots,
and that's not a knock or any day. That's just
an observation. The Bucks in their seventeen seventy six outfits

(52:18):
with the fake hundred dollars bills, which I have many of.
I hope at the very least I can use him
on shope AAW. I kind of doubt it, But I digress.
This ship was all over the place. There's so much
I want to talk about. I just don't even know
where to start.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
All of it was awesome that was awesome. The musical
choices were interesting with the I do like the Young
Bucks as they are the founding fathers going hard in
on it. With the Confederate, it feels like it is
far for the course for the match to start before
you think the match is going to start. And that

(52:59):
left the Confederates song playing, And that brings me to
my first moment. We were all saying when the ops
came out, where's Joe? Even you could see Hobbs having
a discussion in the ring with Swerve and Willow where
they're Where's Joe? And Claudio found out where Joe was?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think it was and it's fine. It was very
obvious what was going to happen. If they had done
the story they took out Joe before the match, I
think we would have seen that reaction from from Omega,
Swerve and Hobbs and all them and Shabata. But yeah,

(53:37):
and it was fine. But I think it was obvious
Joe was coming up behind one of the members of
the Bucks and Death Riders and attacking them as the
match started. Uh, that is exactly what happened. They went
all over the place, much like you might expect in
a match of this type, but Swerves involved. There was
a lot of staple guns. There's one buck that that

(53:59):
apefully they were able to remove the staple from his testicle.
I can't tell you for sure how many of those
staple shots were legit and how many of them they faked,
But I I don't know. I assume they showed this
on the pay per view, but in the arena on
the screen afterwards, the one Swarf took to the tongue,
it was definitely there at the end of the match,

(54:21):
because Swerve made sure that that got shown. I'm guessing
that was on the pay per view as well. But
you had that, you had exploding tables, the ambulance, and
Mark Brisco comes into play again, Brisco still covered in
the blood. I thought that Willow Nightingale did a phenomenal job,

(54:43):
as did Bob Puster nuts. Thank you, Marina Shaffir, everybody,
and even though I said I didn't remember seeing a
lot of you during the match, I thought everybody more
than held up there in here. Every got spots in.
Everybody was on the receiving end of big spots. This

(55:07):
just had a big time feel to it. I know
this type of match isn't everybody's cup of tea, and
if I'm being completely honest, it's not always my cup
of tea. I can't complain about anything here. If you
want to tell me you don't like the staple guns,
I believe we saw a syringe again. If you don't
like that, I can respect all that, and I won't

(55:28):
argue with anybody on that. I thought they did as
good of a job with this type of match as
you could possibly do. And if somebody wants to disagree,
that's fine as well. But I think this was the
best anarchy in the arena.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Match ball brawl, wargames, favorite match growing up, anarchy in
the arena, blooding guts. It's like war Games on steroids
with our crazy swerve is willing to go these days.
So I absolutely loved it. And Willow have done a
lot in the last four aw shows to impress upon

(56:06):
me how great they really are, how much Marina has improved,
how much better of an entering performer, how much more
Chris she is with the physicality That Judo toss on
the ramp was hardcore. As we talked about those big spots, Wheeler,
you and you might not have seen a lot of
him because they said he died for a while when

(56:27):
Kenny Omega threw him from above an entrance way. Oh
and then Omega backflipped his way down there. I have
never loved let the bodies hit the floor more. And
I saw drawting Pool in concert with the original singer
when the song was popular, and that might have been
even better hearing gets six times in a row, watching

(56:50):
everybody diving off of shit.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, so they started out with the song the Bucks
came out to that revolutionary war drum thing I think
you mentioned earlier that they worked in. I'm so excited,
and then Kenny's like, yeah, enough of this shit, and
we got bodies six times. I don't know why we

(57:12):
need the music for all that, but then not have
it for the last ten to fifteen minutes of the match.
To me, the most creative was a couple of years
ago when Moxley was still using wild Thing and they
had the band playing it live and they just kept
playing it over and over until the lead singer got
super kicked unconscious. But yes, it was all fine again.

(57:35):
If you want a nitpick, you don't need the fucking music.
If you're gonna have the I thought they did a
good job of the music though, I'll be honest, I
thought this year had added instead it took away. Yeah,
it was really good. And look, Shafir and Willow weren't
there just to be there. Not only did they beat
the hell out of each other, not only were they

(57:56):
both bloody, they both took shots from from male wrestlers
as well. And it wasn't done in a bad way.
I was gonna say it was respectful. I mean as
respectful as women taking shots for men kick canby. But again,
it's pro wrestling. We're not talking about a real fight here,
so I really I didn't have a problem with any

(58:18):
of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Willow getting her gauged ear tied to the apron or
the black with Yeah, ah, that was nasty. Marina Shafir,
Like you said, taking that snap dragon can't leave out swerve.
Jumping off of the forklift just jumps out of my
mind of another part of insanity. And you brought up

(58:41):
the music. I was kind of hoping when let the
body just hit the floor stopped, is that somebody was
gonna pick up a microphone and call for another song.
I didn't know what I wanted, but it just felt
like after three songs and a good eighteen minutes of music.
Of appreciated it playing out almost to the end and

(59:03):
then stopping at the three count, just as that match
is so unique and chaotic, but it was still such
a moment the six times it's played right.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
All right, okay, here's my one nitpick. So and I
don't know if you even called it, but the reason
they stopped the music, Claudio did the swing with Strickland
and threw him into into the speaker. So they take
out the speaker and the music blaring in the arena

(59:35):
over forty speakers gets knocked out because they took out
the speaker. That would be my one nitpick. And if
that's the biggest thing I can come up to complain with,
this match was pretty fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Not to mention a one wing it an angel through
a table that exploded. It is ken, you omega a wizard?
Where'd the explosion come from?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
But aly shit, it came from the dude that came
out and sat in the corner with the with the
effects box waiting the whole match for that to happen
so he could trigger it. But if you weren't there
in the arena and right there by it. You probably
didn't notice the dude sitting there. So whatever, the meltzer
driver from Strickland and Willow onto Matt to end it.

(01:00:22):
I thought this was really, really good. I am curious
where this goes next. I don't believe the Death Riders
are done. I don't believe the alliance with the Death
Riders and the Bucks are done. You saw Gabe Kid
run out. This was pandemonium. Here's my other complaint. I

(01:00:43):
completely understand why you wanted this show to end with
Hangman and Osprey. This should have been your final match
of the night because it took so much out of
the crowd. Even as we'll get to in a minute
inserting a match of four Osprey and Hangman, this still

(01:01:05):
this took so much out of the arena. This should
have ended it. But again, that doesn't take that much
away from what was the main event. I would have
booked it differently. I wonder after it was over, with hindsight,
they were like, yeah, we should have done this last.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I would agree with you because it's so chiatic. There's
such an outpouring of emotion and energy. The having to
put your head on a swivel, and the triumph that
this was portrayed to be for Team ae W. I
really do think that it would have been in the
appropriate place in the main event, and yeah, that would

(01:01:51):
have been a better look for it. But there's a
lot that there's just so much to love about the mess.
There were four nit rear naked chokes in battling corners.
I can just keep going to moments and moments that
you want to rewatch.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, it was crazy, for sure. So they did put
Paragon against the Kallus family next. I was hoping they
had just scrapped this match. Nothing against any of the
six men. I'm fans of all six. I love Adam Colebabey,

(01:02:26):
I love Kyle O'Reilly, I love Roddy Strong. I'm really
big on Alexander Takashka and Kyle Fletcher. It was a
really long show that nobody can ever buy an aw
pay per view or go to one live and say
they didn't get their money's worth. I just wish this
match had never happened, honestly for me, Mike, I don't
know how you felt watching it there. I just wanted

(01:02:47):
it to be over. I'm like, we got a main
event to go here, so maybe it was just me,
and if it was, that's fine. I just wanted this
match to be over, so I did not enjoy it
the way and maybe I should have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
In hindsight, it should have been on the pre show,
and you probably should have had some kind of Owen
Hart Trophy presentation comments from Hangman Page there on stage,
so that you could have just cooled some time, stretched
it from the match to the start of anarchy in
the arena, And that's what I would have done. Has

(01:03:23):
had the finals be the co main event anarchie and
the arena be the main event in this trios match
on the pre show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Honestly, it felt like the only reason they kept this
match on the card, the only reason it was scheduled
late in the first place, was so you could have
a ton of Hotshee come out into a lesser degree
Brody king Inn issue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
And also I do feel like there were some seeds sowed.
Could we get a Adam Cole titled defense against the
Proto Star. Could the TNT title be the first claim
by the Pink Hearted Devil We'll call him and Kyle Fletcher.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
YEP main event Owen Hart Men's Tournament Final, Hangman Page
will Ospray. We talked this past week, Micah. We all
assume will Osprey's winning. We all assume he's going to
all In. Tony Kahn loves him some. Hangman Page, I
get it. I can see scenarios where Hangman gets the

(01:04:23):
win here. I'm not telling you I wasn't surprised, because
I was. But Adam Hangman Page gets the win over
Ospray in a hell of a match, even at the
end of a very long night, and he is headed
to all In, presumably to take on John Moxley. This

(01:04:45):
match was no You say crazy, and it was, but
not like Anarchy and the arena crazy. It seems like
you're doing it at a service calling it crazy. But
it was a wild match. It was a fantastic match.
They both gave it all they had. I enjoyed the
hell out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Very good match. You said it best. Hangman Page is
a very methodical worker. There were so many false falls.
There was the evasive sequence where they both missed, with
so many big moves. I feel like this one had
that heart monitor there was still had arguing. I mean
to take so much out of you. I think it

(01:05:22):
took a little bit to get the crowd going into
the main event. But once you had them, you had them.
And even when you have a spot that didn't work
out perfectly like falling through a table, moments later they
were really able to pull the crowd back in. I
thought they only lost them for maybe two minutes, where
that could have really just steered them off the road.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
There was a second there where I thought the announced
table was going to all end to take on John Moxley.
It almost got the win, ye win. It collapsed there,
but they recovered from that. They wound up doing the
move anyway. You had Hangman with the homage I guess
to Christopher Daniels with the angel wings that got him

(01:06:03):
a two count. I believe that was right before the
table spot. This was really good. I think you really
solidified Hangman Page by beating Will Ospray, And like we
touched on with the women's I don't think this hurts
Ospray at all. Ospray is still as over as he

(01:06:24):
ever was. Anytime he comes out, you're gonna believe he
can win regardless of who the opponent is. But this
was really all about making Hangman Adam Page, and I
think they did that. Now is that gonna be a
better main event than Ospray versus Moxley. I'm certain we
will debate that quite a few times between now and

(01:06:47):
all In, but this was the path they chose to
go down. I think they did as good of a
job as they could have making you believe hangman Adam
Paige is what they want him to be, and he
has a legitimate shot to go in and to throw
John Moxley.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
He's a not a full founding father, but a day
one ae W I had pondered to you his hangman
page John Moxley bigger to Tony Kahn than it is
to some of us. I think that's been affirm to
me by now. And you said this match was about
making Adam Paige. And that's the part for me that

(01:07:25):
I never connect with him. I believe he's already been
an AEW world champion. I believe there was the tag
title run with Kenny Omega, there was the separation from
Kenny Omega. There's been the alcoholism, there was beating Swerve,
now there's the Owen Hart Cup. I'm just not a
hangman guy, because when you say making him, I'm like shit.

(01:07:46):
One title reign made spurve, and I feel like he's
in the main event picture where I don't feel like
we have the same right love of Hangman.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Which is why you had to have the match that
they had and then have Hangman come out on top
over Osprey instead of there being cheating or outside interference
and doing it that way. Now you're right. Look, if
you're not all in, no pun intended on Hangman. Nothing
at this point is changing anybody's mind. So here's the

(01:08:17):
other thing. And I hate to rain on anybody's parade
so soon after the event, but the first thing that
popped into my head once the ref county to three.
This all but ensures Moxley ain't dropping the title until
Darby Allen comes back, which may have been the plan
all along, But now that the Everest clime is done,

(01:08:40):
I assume he's back down by now maybe he's still
coming down. Give him some time to recover. I'm not
saying we see Darby this week or next week, but
I bet we see him at some point before all
in letting it be known that he wants winner. But yeah,
I don't know that I see Hangman being the one

(01:09:00):
to the throne Moxley. This screams to me, we're not
taking the belt off of John yet, because if we were,
we would have had Osprey do it and not Hangman.
This is going to be Darby the one who does.
I'm curious what you think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
That it's a very high likelihood that Darby Allen does
it all out, a much higher percentage than Hangman Page
does it all in. And I can't believe we're talking
about a guy that's not even you know, technically active
on the roster.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
At the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
But look, that feels like the most likely scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Don't you also have Forbidden Door in London this year?
Later in the year, I believe. So if you're gonna
have Osprey win the title, are you doing it in America?
Are you doing it? I mean, look that's a possibility
as well. Are you doing it in London? But yeah,
but this scream to me, old Darby is going to

(01:09:56):
be the one. It ain't gonna be Hangman. Maybe I'm
wrong on that. I guess we'll find out what July twelfth,
back of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
A Match Hangman Page comes out. And if you're invested
in the character in the story, it feels like the demons,
the alcohol the fire. It's all out of the cowboy
and the hangman. Is is the crew in the heart
bun Slinger.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
These days agreed, agreed, anything else that we skipped over
or missed or you wanted to hit on from double
or nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Double and nothing was incredible and anarchy in the arena
might have been the most fun thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Again, I realize it a for everybody, but damn, I
love the hell out of hell. It ain't even always
for me. I love the hell out of it. I
truly did. I thought they did a phenomenal job with that.
And also, you know I mentioned earlier about why are
you doing the ambulance match on this car, I didn't
feel like you saw overlapping of the same Now, look,
you had the ambulance involved in the same place and

(01:11:00):
all that, and yes, Brisco came back out, but it
didn't seem like you saw anything repetitive or anything like that.
They both stood out on their own again. In fact,
if that was too much violence for you on one card,
I get it. But yeah, in the end that that
was not the issue. I thought it could be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
So much good I thought was done in the card
because you get the six athletes plus Brisco that when
on the night in the in the anarchy and arena,
they all looked better for it. No one really lost
in the main event. I thought Kyle Fletcher did very
well in the Creos match. You have Ricochet, you know,
he looks better for everything. So I thought there was

(01:11:42):
a lot of good accomplished and able to move forward.
I did tell you, with as much crap as I
talk about WWE, I did have a top five real quick. Yeah,
I wanted to run through that. So there were I
think at least possibly even six bright spots right now. Wow,
what's going on with the Rawlins Breaker? Bronson reed Paul

(01:12:03):
Hayman dynamic as that's coming together. I feel like that's
the most entertaining thing in WW and I put it on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
My top spot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
How do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
After that, I like the importance of Jay Usso's title.
I don't know if I'm still on the fence about yeating,
but to have John sena logan, Paul Gunther, the multiple interactions,
he feels like a real world champion.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
It's the lesser than title, but it seems like they're
making a concerted effort to make it not the less
than title.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
We can only go so far with the out mentioning
grande Americano.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yes, honey, guilty pleasure maybe more than anything. Maybe that's
not everybody's cup of tea either. We all know is
shad gable under the hood, we assume. But yeah, that's definitely,
if nothing else, guilty pleasure wise. But yeah, yeah, I
got no problems with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I feel the same way kind of about the Judgment Day.
Right now you enter in Rock, Sam Pedes lives Back,
Domb and Finn. Everybody's silently sniping at each other. It's
almost like not want to tell any of your friends.
You watch General Hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
It's the most steff cared about Judgment Day since the implosion.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
And y'all know what I mean. Fought too so low dissension.
It's at least to be laughable. It's on the comedy.
It's a nice you know, friends rendition or something. There's
something there for the people that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Like to laugh. I didn't expect that one in your
top five. I love that you went to an AEW
pay per view and while enjoying the hell out of it,
somehow found a greater love for WWE coming out of
it to the point where you made a top five
list of things you like about WWE. I did not
see that one being one of your top five. I
ain't gonna lie well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
I started thinking about everything I was ragging on them
about because I don't like the treatment of so many
of the characters. Russeph has done much for me Malachi Blackfall,
but I was going with the top five of positive things.
If you guys got positive things, negative things, or more
pro wrestling things to say, talk with me on x
at frankl Micah, Let's talk about pro wrestling.

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