Ep 300: All The Latest Happenings From The World of Pro Wrestling.

Episode 300: Catch up on all the latest from WWE, AEW, TNA and more. 











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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome back. It is pro Wrestling after Hours. I'm Michael Carlisle,
joined as always by Micah Frankomiicah was shaken. Man, whole
lot shaken.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I feel like there's balconies a shaking now this time
because Athena and Tony Storm are balcony battling. I mean,
I guess, I mean it seems to be prime real estate.
You never see anyone when Christian or even MJF when
they had their private booth up in an arena, you

(00:40):
never saw anybody battling over that. But it looks like
true Storm really every week, I feel like the Storm
balcony has become prime location every week.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
No, but yeah, when the Patriarchy was up in the booth, yeah,
Adam Copeland and and then definitely went up there for sure.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
That was just shaking for me more this week that
Maybe it's because it's an actual balcony and well uniqueness
of that venue where I felt like, are the thou
Romeo gonna call up to see if Luther could let
down his bald head? I don't know. I'm now mixing
metaforms and nursery rhymes and all kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Shakespeare not a nursery rhyme.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
My man, I'm not that cultured either.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Man, I believe Luther's hurt. Did you not hear Tony Storm?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's unfortunate back, That's why I see. It was part
of my hope, in my imagination, that he would be well,
that that obvious humble you don't get, as you put it,
reattachment and then just come right back be reattached. This
obviously didn't accident. Wasn't the one we saw from Mercedes

(01:58):
Monet and Tony Storm if something had to be reattached.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
No, but well, let's be honest, there are only so
many things that one needs to get reattached. What happened
to poor Luther that he needs the the Bobbitt surgery?
I mean, I don't uh.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh. I was thinking it's more like an eyeball.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You just pushed that back in the hole.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
You just push it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Back in.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Figure. Tony could have done that herself.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, yeah, it was in the eyeball. She alluded to
the fact that he got his goddamn dick gripped off.
Micah Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
She has such a turny math too.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
She she's a potty mouth, isn't she she very much?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Is?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It's I like it?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yea, I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I guess, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
So there's that. I mean Athena versus Tony Storm. This
is something we've been waiting for. I feel like this
would be a I've been waiting so long for Athena
to get the appreciation that you know, Bandido gets work
on AWTV also right into the spotlight. I don't feel
like this is gonna work out for her, but I

(03:08):
feel like this is at least an opportunity to get
more exposure to what has been a great run for
the last three years.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now, that is true, but coming off of the Mariah mayfeud,
coming off the Mercedes Monete feud, it seems like a
not a letdown, that's but a step down for Tony Storm.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Look, it's great for Athena, and quite honestly, if I'm
Tony Khan, all the plans I had in the back
of my mind for Mariah May, I'm just switching those
to Athena.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I'd say it's the best of what you have to
work with, because outside of just keep going with Mercedes
versus Tony Storm, I can't think of a better direction,
And I do like that there's a different tenure to
this direction. That Athena went right away to attacking the balcony,
taking over and not engaging in the sexuality. She was

(04:00):
playing her own mental warfare, so I like that it's
more of an oil and water. Then it felt like
the theatric neess with Mariah and Mercedes also played into
Toni's theatricness where I feel like Athenis personality is opposite.
So I'm hoping this does create something different. Where we

(04:23):
felt there was some similar tenure towards the end of
the build ups for Mercedes, that there was the same
for Mariah. I hope this just has a different feeling.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's skip around a little bit a few things. I
gotta get off my chest. Can in the name of
all this good and holy, can we stop with these
random dynamite and collision matches with cash prizes on the line.
On dynamite you had the one hundred thousand dollars something

(04:57):
something I don't even remember what it was now, and
then on Lesion the two hundred thousand dollars fatal four
way tag match. I got it, Tony, you can't do
a tournament every week. You can't do a Gauntlet Battle
Royal every week, but damn if it doesn't seem like
every show. We can do these money matches. Now. I

(05:18):
thought we had hit a low with the well the
four hundred thousand pesos match or whatever it was in
Mexico a few weeks back.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Enough is enough, man, come on, it is getting a
little redundant, a little repetitive. I guess that someone told
Tony you have to have stakes on all these matches,
and people got tired of title eliminators. So now he's
throwing cash value out there.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
So yeah, the one hundred thousand dollars four way was
what was on Dynamite with the with the Statlander, Willow
Tecla and Queen Almanada, and then on dynam Or on
Our Collision it was the tag match, the U the
four way tag match, that two hundred thousand dollars fatal
four way tag match, Kates of Agony, the Guns, the Crew,

(06:04):
Big Bill and Brian Keith.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Enough you want to have stakes. We can get plenty
of stakes with all this money that Tony's thrown around.
You win money, You won money. Everybody's making money.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
How about for the tag. The Four Way Tag winners
get a title shot. How about for the Four Way women,
you get a TBS title shot or hell? I mean,
if you want to do a world title shot, I'm
fine with that too, But I mean, boom, there you go.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Could have done that. I feel like Tony's done that before.
I don't know why he's changing his mind.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know what else he's done before? X amount of dollar? Ever,
how many person match?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, we had months and months of number one contenders match,
we had months and months of tournaments. Now we're having
months and months of money matches. I don't understand why
he gets trapped into these cycles, but yeah, he is
in a one hundred dollars cycle.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I guess. I don't know. What do you think of
Hangman Page's promo at the beginning of Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I thought it was good.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I thought it was very poignant directed. I thought there
was a lot of good that came out of the
promo telling us who Hangman Page is, where he wants
to go with his title reign. There was direction, there's
feeling from the crowd, we're off to a better foot
already on this title reign for Hangman page than we

(07:31):
were when he was just giving every one title eliminator opportunities.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It hasn't been two weeks, shit, But but I agree
with you. I thought I thought it was a really
good promo. I don't think we're gonna slow roll the
the MJF title shot though. But you know, we were
speculating last week, what are you gonna do with Hangman?
What's first? Now we might also roll right back to

(07:58):
Moxley or maybe one of the other deaths. But yeah,
I don't know that MJF is just gonna sit back
and bite his time either.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, we thought MGF was gonna bite his time. We
thought the Bucks and the Death Writers are on the
same page. We were quite off on a lot of
things where I think we thought there might be a
little more continuation. And it feels like to some application
there is a fresh start to some of these stories
that we may have actually ended some of these stories.

(08:30):
I wouldn't be surprised to see if there becomes friction
between the Bucks and the Death Writers, that the Death
Writers go away from Hangman page somehow for a while,
like you said, to open it up for the Hurt
Syndicate to come into play. Against Hangman Page. Did you
get the same vibes though, where Bobby Lashley may already

(08:53):
be over being a tag team champion, and now that
MJF is jumping to the fore front, you can already
see the dissension bubbling.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
No, I didn't give that at all.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I just feel like Ashley's mannerisms.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Look, don't get me wrong, I think we get there
at some point. But yeah, I didn't say anything like
that at all. Now. Lastly, and this has kind of
been his aw mode of operation, very stoic, very stone face,
doesn't say a lot. But yeah, I didn't really get

(09:29):
that vibe this past week.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
No, Okay, just me. I thought I felt like there
was a displeasure from Bobby Lashley, but maybe that was
just me.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, I mean, he always looks like he's got to
take a shit, so I mean yeah, but yeah, I look. Yes,
at some point, I'm sure we probably get there, but yeah,
we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
As we're jumping around bring them up already. I think
the bucks might have been some of my favorite parts.
It's of dynamite. This week they showed up in an
uber no longer in their limousine. The Death Writers don't
know them, and they have no one else to turn
to besides Daddy Callous, who has now recruited enough players

(10:14):
that I think we have a regulation NBA squad as
the Callous Family.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Never minding, never mind a split a brand for aew
You just need to have the damn Callous Family have
their own promotion Callous World Order. Yeah, exactly. You could
do a CWO sold out pay per view, you know, yeah,

(10:38):
with all members of the Callus. I mean, you get
your All they need is their own Callous family referee.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
The Bucks only have Callous to think, and they only
have Callous to rely on, and they felt so icky
for doing it. I wonder though, if this leads to
more growth. I mean, they finally have so many guys
on there that not everyone could actually win a title.
The Bucks with hatcha zero and Alexander did get the

(11:07):
win over Jet Speed brody King, whatnot Bendido Bandido? Do
you like the Bandido brody King? I feel like brody
King got done out this week, especially when you come
back on Collision and you just put Dorado in there

(11:29):
and all of a sudden the faction gets a victory.
I don't know how I feel about what they did
to Brody King this week made him look like the weaklink.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Nothing different than what they've done with him the last
four months.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
EVPs are tricky. They just distract everybody each time. Yeah,
you're right, they have not done anything good besides let
Brody King put out their social messages. Yeah, I can't
figure out if they like him or not.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, no, I think they like him, but I can't
figure out if they're biding their time until Buddy Murphy
is healthy and comes back, or if they know Buddy
ain't coming back, but they don't know what to do
next with Brody. But they like him, so they feature him,
but he doesn't give very many wins. Yeah, I'm not

(12:18):
sure what's going on there.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And like you said, and like I said, for that
is he Murphy?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Is he Buddy Murphy or he's Buddy Matthew's and aw
right Matthew Murphy back in age? Yeah, you knew who
I meant, though, I.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Don't understand why they became such a better faction. When
you subbed out put in Dorado, you bring more Lucian.
I do like Dorado, though over the last couple of
weeks he's done a lot to start to stand out
on that Viking Go commander level. I've heard people speculate
and say maybe there's still too many Luca doors in

(12:54):
ae W, and for my money, when we take stock
of what they have on the ross now, I think
they all do a good job of separating themselves and
feeling special. Except for drag A Listico, I think he
gets lost in the mix. But from Rouge to Moritos
to Hetcha Sero, I feel like you got a lot

(13:14):
of guys that are different now. And even maybe it's
just the commander or not commander, where Commander and Hologround
feel like they're similar to each other, but I feel
like there's a lot of differences in the luchador so
that there's not an overrun of the same luchador.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think they're probably and maybe it's not fair to
compare the two companies, but I think the Mexican talent
in AW does a much better job standing out than
the ones in wwe do where it does seem like
they're interchangeable. Hell, there've been allegations that they're at least
two different El Grande Americanos. For crying out loud, he

(13:54):
said tongue in cheek, but yeah, to your point, I
think they stand out. I also think AW maybe jumped
the gun a little bit trying to get a head
start on WWE with their purchase of Triple A and all.
I think WWE has already gotten pretty much all they
wanted out of Triple A. Not saying you won't see
those wrestlers, those talent from time to time, but I

(14:17):
don't think they're ever going to be featured in the
way that that Tony Kahan features the CMLL guys, which
is crazy because barring something falling apart, which is possible,
AW are WWE still in the process of buying Triple A.
So and.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Penta was not featured this past week on RAW, I
don't think he was missed. Dragonly has fallen back into
the pack on SmackDown, and I don't think the full
body suit did anything besides made Ray Phoenix a meme
this week. I don't think that Andra Da and Dragonly

(14:57):
Andrade and Ray Phoenix is delusions of grandeur when they
left being mistreated by Tony Kahn, who had them chained
and shackled in the back, never winning matches, was to
go to WWE and become a tag team together, you know,
like Ray was with his brother all the last three

(15:17):
four years AWTNA being successful. I don't think this is
what he had in mind for the next level of
his career when he was screaming I'm home as he's
running down the ramp at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Eh.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Such his life, such as life and such as the
WWE tag team division does it feel like they're training
way too hard again to make every team feel special,
which makes nobody. Yes, LWO winning a Number one Contenders match.

(15:53):
If there was one team I was gonna pick to
not have a chance to win that match, it would
have been THEO not to mention you go over on
the other side and on Rade and Ray Phoenix just
all of a sudden topple every tag team to get
to the Wyatts, who are now a functional wrestling unit.

(16:17):
It feels like a lot of traditional wrestling right there
in the tag team divisions. Guys go out there, they
have matches, they win, they lose. It's totally not the
WWE style.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's not I find it. I find it interesting that
they have no clue how to do tag team wrestling
there when you have Triple h who's been part of
some great factions. You look at the producers and stuff
that WWE has there. You know Michael ps Hayes one

(16:50):
of the all time great tag team wrestlers in the
free Birds, not just the original incarnation of the free
Birds with Terry Gordy and Buddy Roberts, but later on
you have Jimmy Garvin part of the group as well.
You know tag team wrestling. You have guys there who
know tag team wrestling, and they're others as well, but

(17:10):
Michael Hayes is one that sticks out. It's almost like
they don't want to be doing it, but they feel
like they have to, so they're just going through the
motions with it. But yeah, in an effort to make
everybody seem special, nobody seems special. The one team that
could be special, they go out of their way, it
seems like, to make not seem special. And that's the

(17:31):
Motor City machine Guns.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
MotorCity machine Guns could be special. I feel like there's
still something left in the New Day sure, and the
MotorCity machine Guns, Well, this is the best they've ever
done financially in their career, and they did have a
title run already. I don't know why they're called Diminished
City machine Guns. I know nothing about their personalities. It

(17:57):
feels like they've been forced, like a lot of the
face tag teams into this cookie cutter position where no
one stands out, there's not much originality. And then the
weirdness with the tag team division is probably wouldn't matter
to you. But why was b fab all of a
sudden back with the street profits That one made no

(18:18):
sense to me when for a solid month two months
b fabs focus was on a tag team of her
own alongside of me aim. So there feels to be
gaps that, oh yeah, we'll harken back to this, weren't

(18:38):
you guys a faction for five minutes? And there's not
a lot of consistent direction of the storytelling for the
tag team division.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, I think Gargano and Tampa another team that could
be you know, legit tag team title threats in WWE somewhere,
and they feel.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Like they have a lot of the psychology and the
connivingness and a lot of the storytelling elements down very well.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, plus Trump it looks just like Triple H. So
that can't be a bad thing, right, you know? But yeah,
another good team. I mean, it's not like you don't
have good teams there. They just don't. The Creek Brothers
aren't horrible if they were used right. I don't know
about Androdny and Phoenix because that just doesn't seem what.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I have to see if that's really going to be
a legit team or if this is a short term thing.
And I know one of them's hurt. But you got
Theory and Waller as well, and that.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Feels like the on again, off again. I wasn't expecting
the New Day's reaction to Waller's enthusiasm to join them.
I thought they were going to be a little bit
more enthusiastic to use him, not really to honestly love him,
but to use him, to have him take a couple
of beatings for them, for him to get a the
way on a few things. I didn't see their negativity coming.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I know he's not one of your favorite guys, but
on Raw this week, tell me what Roman Reigns did
or said that wasn't accurate?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, he said everything correctly except for all right, all right,
all right, you and me, big fans of the show
American Dad. Right, Okay, So after Raw on Monday night, well,
I was still doing some notes. I'm watching American Dad.
You recognize the episode right away when I tell you.
It's the episode where the neighbor's dad comes into town

(20:38):
to be honored in the Washington football team Ring of.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Honor, and the one guy wants to come out to
his dad, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
So they're there at the induction right right, and Stan
is trying to implore still why the father and son
should get back together, and he's getting the crowd into it,
and the dad's like, these morons were a cheer for anything.
I just had beer farts and they're going nuts, and
that's what I thought of exactly when Roman Reign said, Paul,

(21:10):
you didn't do anything for me, but let's think solo,
the USOS and Sammy Zay. Then the crowd's like, whoa,
the bluff line cheated forever.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
We love that they cheated.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I don't understand what Roman did throughout all of his
cheating to get the WWE universe to love him so much.
Why they were so excited, You mean, hold on time,
we needed help for four years to keep that title.
I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
You mean he did the exact same thing in his
promo that Hayman Adam Page did in his promo on
Dynamite last.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Week, Hayman didn't think anybody for helping.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Him the fuck he didn't hold on. What do you
think Brian Danielson did in that match? Where do you
think Garby Allen did in that match? Where do you
think all these people he was thinking did in that match?
They cheated for him?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
That's a little bit different when there was fourteen other
guys coming in. Tell me who helped Kevin Owens that
the blood Line had to get in there. Tell me
who was helping the Daniel Bryan back when he was
in WWE. That was so necessitated that we needed the
Bloodline members. There was a large difference to taking down
the death Riders to me than Roman Reigns needing four

(22:28):
guys to take down one every time.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh no, no, I've got you, because Rains was the
heal and cheated to win. But yeah, Adam Paige went
out and did the exact same. Thank you for helping
me cheat the win. I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's balancing the scales of just Batman thanking Robin for
coming in when the Joker has eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
B Man a goddamn lawbreaking vigilante, Micah, don't you don't
you come out here on this show.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's celebrate the police officer that's held down under fire
and his backup are because you're leveling the scale.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
With all due respect, Hangman out and pays no policeman.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm just saying he's been cleared of everything since uh
Swerve didn't want to press charges for the arson.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, Hangman should be in prison, right, he should be
doing a hard time, But I digress.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
You understand why Hangman is beloved right?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Why but if it's wrong, it's wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
We got you're you are right, but but give me
the answer. Why you cheer for Roman Reigns because he
was the heel in this equation the whole time, and
Hangman was the hero. I don't understand where the manipulated
mind controlled audience is in favor now of the heel.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
The manipulated mind. Well, well, Roman's not heel obviously.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
But they were chilling all of his heel actions from
when he was here.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
They were cheering Sammy's ain and.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
And then so they'll cheer literally any beer fart that
he said, they cheer.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Its almost literally fucking pro wrestling. Have you never watched
wrestling before. Is all this new to you? That that's
not a something exclusive to w w A, whether it's AE,
w M, L, W TNA, your your local indie fed. Yes,
that that's exactly how wrestling works.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Ah, maybe I'm a little bit harder you you see me.
Never cheer for hey Man Page. She's got to earn
that shit after burning a house down arsonistic, fucking asshole.
I'm not cheering from justause, Oh he's a good guy,
all of a sudden, I don't cheer, you know what
I mean, I'm a little hard by.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'm not cheering for him because real cowboys don't don't
wear their hair like that or the butterflies on right exactly.
But but no, I hear you. But and again, it's
not that you're wrong with anything you said, because you're not.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's not like Hayman's wrong with anything he said though either.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
E is he not?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
He's not. I don't think he was. And I love
how Roman Reigns hates himself throughout this whole equation. Oh yeah,
just Roman Reigns and seth Rawlins are the same guy. Yeah,
you know, you know, I just feel bad for Jay Uso.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'd feel worse for Jimmy. At least Jay gets to
win every now and again. Jay got to be a
world champion for a brief period of time. Jimmy's just
like the other one. He might be the lowest member
of that family.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I still feel like Jay is goofyre, running out to
have Romans back when Romans still don't really acknowledge him
as an equal or anything. And Jimmy at least is
hanging out with Jacob fat too. We know the two
of them just go get drunk at high on a DWI.
They probably got a lot in common already.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
But hasn't Roman acknowledged Jimmy are acknowledged Jay acknowledged him
when he won the title, didn't he Then it looked
like he's.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Really acknowledged anyone as his tribal equal.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, nor should he. There is no tribal equals.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Then, I don't know why you're so still. That was
Jay's plight, though, was to prove he could be.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
The same reason Jimmy tries to help people. Jimmy, USSO
ain't nobody's equal.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I just think that your idea of putting the usso's
back together better than having them each be the Lackey
to the family member that ww.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
No, no, no, no no, because you put them together,
they're both the Lackey. Now another strong tag team for
your tag team division if you were actually really doing
something with it. But yeah, make no mistake, they'd still
be Lackey's. For what are the other either you know,
Roman or Solo or actually.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I digress now a Lackey. We don't have to see
his intro four times in episodes. I'm gonna all right,
all right, that's fair. We've cut out more wasted time
on Raw?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
What wasted time on Raw?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
The encore? Well, never, never mind. Actually, it's just it's
the time that I fast forward through Raw because his
entrance does nothing for me. That the yeat and then
the re rehearsal of yeat, I just fast forward through that.
So never mind, it's not wasted time. It's just time
I fast forward through.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's it's the very reason the fans can't look. It
ain't my thing either, So yeah, let me be yeah,
let me clarify coable of these. I'm not shitting on
everything you're saying, because I hear you and the yat
thing in my cup of tea either I'm still not
one hundred percent sure what the fuck of YEAT is
if we're being completely honest, But the fans true love it,

(27:47):
so I mean I get it.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I guess other people like it, and if they were
on this podcast, I would love to hear theirs, but
they're not fucking here. So I'm saying I fast forward
through it because it's time for me.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
No, no, And that's why I'm.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Glad that you like watching it each week.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well that's so if those people are on the podcast,
you wouldn't be listening to them either. I just said
I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh well, see when you were like, why is it
a waste of time? Well because to me, but just
because too.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
If everything, if everything I don't like is a waste
of time, then about ninety eight percent of the things
that happened in this world or a waste of time.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, let's hear what you didn't like this week on RAW.
That was a waste of time? Oh giving you the platform.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I didn't say anything was a waste of time. Oh well, we'll.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
See you said ninety percent of stuff in the world.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
No, I didn't. I didn't say. Again, you didn't live
from RAW. I said, if everything I didn't like was
a waste of time, ninety eight percent of the stuff
in the world be a waste of time. Just because
I don't like it doesn't mean it's a waste of time.
They're not booking for me, They're booking for the masses.
So just because you don't like something or I don't
like something, doesn't mean it's not worthwhile.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm just glad they're not doing it anymore because he's
Roman rings is lackey.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Oh they'll still do it. Yeah. Now you might not
have to have seen it the other night, but yeah,
it'll still happen. And by the way, so something waste
of time the LWO.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, but they got to win and they're now number
one contenders in the all prestigious, meaningful tag team division
that ww wants us to care about. I guess is
there a reason? Uh?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Did it hurt you like it hurt me?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
When Raquel came up two feet short of kicking Dom
mysterio and had to do that awkward extra one hop
to get to him. Yeah, see see there, that's something
that's hurtful. When the wrestling looks bad. When when when
when Dom has to like dive into the boot to
dive back and and honestly that surprised me because that

(29:53):
was the very opportunity for Dom to actually be injured. Hey,
we need you to go backstage. You got to get
clear for your match with aj Oh. Roquel just kicked me.
My chest is injured. Didn't you see how far I
just flew across the outside of the ring area.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I am obvious. Fuck misses time because of a kick.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
The same dude that flies halfway across the arena when
the woman halfway jump kicked him, because it wasn't even
the kick, it was the extra nudge after the kick.
He went flying.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
This wwe not like aj styles anymore. You send him
off to fucking the TNA pay per view on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
What did he do there?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
He came out and spoke and the dude that won
the X Division that beat Moose who I don't remember
now kind of gave him the seal of the approval
and came out spoke to the fans, and then you
had him fucking recreating one of the lowest periods of
Hacksaw Jim Duggan's career, being the maintenance guy, being the
janitor in the bag, being this, that, and the other

(30:51):
while waiting for Don to get cleared. It's like it's
almost like they don't even like AJ styles anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
I'd agree with you, and all of that did fairly
nothing for me. Like the first time went down with
two weeks ago, when AJ was like praying in the background,
I think they went overkill. Wasn't it like three or
four spots this past week it seemed like every time
he turned around, AJ was in the background. Yeah, and
then didn't need it. It was overkill.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Hats off to Carry and Cross getting a big win
on Raw this week, beating Sammy's ain. Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'm gonna do to you what the ref did to uh, Mike, Mike.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Mike is audio only nobody can see fucking talking to
the microphone. Don't turn your back to the microphone because
you turned your back to me. Why the.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
That might have been the worst match I've seen all year?
What that the ref was so much a part of
the match for me that I couldn't take my eyes
off of him as he kept angling his body away
from Scarlet and Carrion to obviously not allow the pipe
to be shown in the end, which made perfect sense
to me. The part that didn't make sense to me

(32:14):
was when Scarlett dove on Sammy's leg caused the disqualification
for physically getting involved in the match, the ref staring
at it does nothing and yeah, Carrion Cross got a victory.
I'm just not sure what we to do with that
when the following match, because there's outside physical interaction from

(32:36):
people that aren't involved in the match, there was a
disqualification talking about Edo Sky and Stephanie Vancore with Chelsea
in her cabinet getting involved. So I'm not sure how
physically interacting in one match is a disqualification and how
physically interacting in the other one isn't. And the ref

(32:58):
I thought was much better in the women's match. Then
that was the worst refereeing of the night for me,
with how angled his body was.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Should you really don't know the difference in those two
matches and why one was the DQ and the other wasn't.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I'm guessing you're gonna tell me because a woman touched
a woman in one and a woman touched a man
and another, So it doesn't count no.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Because all hell broke loose in the women's match and
order couldn't be restored they had to do the DQ.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Oh, I just thought a rule was broken, so you
did the appropriate measure to call the disqualification, because you know,
physically interacting when you're not involved in the match should
probably and used to lead to a DQ. That's why
I used to love the spots in the matches where
when the managers were pulling on the leg for the
suplex and they'd be hiding below the ring apron.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I was gonna say on top of them, have
you not watched wrestling before? Outside interferences is as common
in wresting.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
It very much is, but the ref doesn't usually stare
at the woman and not acknowledge it. It was like
the opposite of a Roman reigns, no acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
He was looking at something else, Mike, he didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
That was exactly what I was able to believe when
his back was totally turning to carry and cross getting
the pole.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
That part, that part I agree with you on. And
this isn't just a WWE problem. This hamms at aw two.
If the referee's not supposed to see something, the referee
needs to be looking the other fucking way. I agree
with you on that that did not take away from
my enjoyment or lack thereof of the match after that though,
or question why it was a DQ, because it was

(34:30):
pretty obvious why that was a DQ.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Like I said, the moment the ref was physically doing
everything he could to keep himself from skiing scarlet and
carrying Cross, I was done with my I could not
suspend my disbelief anymore because I'm just like, this ref
really doesn't care what happens to carrying Across safety like
Sammy's ain ran in across in the corner, Sammy zin
walks away and the ref's walking with Sammy. I'm like,
why does Sammy get a personal ref? Why don't you care?

(34:54):
What's happening to Carrion Cross?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Who does WWE dislike more AJ style or see him punk? Now?

Speaker 1 (35:02):
There?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
You don't see him tunk punk title match, but I don't.
I'm not saying he should be booked like brock Lessner,
far from it, but damn if they don't go onto
their way too of late to really make see him
punk low like a dumb ass.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I thought he looked really strong on the promo. I
got the other feeling. I thought he was pointed and
directed with his narrative, and I thought Gunther came out
and looked like a dumb ass. I feel like there's
something about the the khaki and polo look that you
could pick up at Dillard's that just doesn't scream the
level of sophistication that they're trying to achieve with Gunther.

(35:43):
I feel like he needs to be in the blazer,
the button down shirt if you want to truly tell
us you are the sophisticated world champion. I'm thinking the
echelon of class, that evolution that the Four Horsemen portrayed,
that feels like what Gunther's going for. But he looks
like the lowest member of the group, the de Malinko
with the dam polo.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
How dare you besmirch the good name of Dean Malinko?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
But also any Gunther isn't intimidating to me. When he
stared off a seampunk and he has to look down
to see them punk, it's not as far down as
you think it would, and it just goes to show
that I always thought of Gunther as a heavyweight, right,
like this big, imposing figure. And maybe this is more

(36:30):
because we're in the Mma realm of things. I look
at him just as a nice sized middleweight. Now, because
we know Punk is a welterweight, I feel like there
might have been a point where Gunther almost lost too
much mass, and I'd love to see some muscle on him,
because I just don't feel like he has the same
size and girth that you look at that you get
from a Shamus, a Roman Reigns. Some of these other

(36:53):
guys that feel like they can brawl and they have
a physicality to them.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, look, I don't want to get into a long
conversation about the girth of Seamus, but I will tell
you as it relates to inside the wrestling ring, Seamus's
girth ain't really helping him.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well, just saying that physicality, how do you portray Gunther
though he's a lot smaller of an individual than they
portray his physicality, Like he lands these thunders drop.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
The Still are they all are?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
What a lot smaller than we think?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh okay, yes, Root seven Seamus look like, you know,
still two hundred and eighty pound guys, Roman Reigns, good
sized Jacob Fatu Solo Socoa thickness. Wise, I just felt
like Gunter looks too much like, too close to Seampunk
for as big as we thought he is.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
No. I mean, look, yeah, is he a big, hulking monster. No?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And that feels like to me the character that they
portray him as, yes.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Because he's this physical brute.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
He hits you harder than anyone ever hit anybody before.
His chops are so thunderous through a body, and it's
this brute strength of Gunther. And I just felt like
he looked a little too much like Sampunk. I don't know,
And I just really hope he gets to win at
SummerSlam because I'd hate to see a second world title reign.
Where my thought is, are we just putting these on

(38:20):
Gunther's resume so it feels like you did something?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
No? Actually, who I think they pattern Gunther after a
big guy is fucking fit Finley, dude, hard hitting foreigner, tough,
tough as nails, Fit Finley by the way, build as
five ten, which probably means five seven, five eighty shit best. Look,

(38:48):
you're not wrong if you want your champs to be
more big and muscular, You're one hundred percent right, though.
I don't have a problem with Gunther's look, but yeah,
he's not Roman reigns esque. H brock Lesner Esque, either's
Cody Rhodes, either's John Cena, and people don't seem to
care about that, but they're not booking either of those

(39:10):
guys to be monsters either.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So yeah, and up until like Sena four or five
years ago, when I saw him in person, that was
a big fricking dude. Bumped into him one time at
out back when I was cooking there, working there, and yeah,
I'm like, wow, there's two of me right here. Holy shit,
that's a big guy. So John Cena, though I felt
like you know him, Batista, there was that echelon where

(39:34):
they were Maybe it wasn't stature, but it was the thickness,
the girth of all the muscles, feeling like they were actual.
It's just the era where Gunther is a crossfitter and
these guys were bodybuilders.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't know what the hell we're talking about now,
but you don't think Gunther looks thick.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
There's a different there's just a different muscularity definition. Like
I said, he's a lot more to me, closer to
Cmpunk than he is John Cena. And I was surprised
at that from the face because I just never thought
of Punk as a big guy and it just goes
to show. I just keep feeling like WWE has done
nothing good for Gunther. He needs to get this win

(40:11):
at SummerSlam, or for being a guy that's at the
top of the cart. I just don't feel much about Gunther. Besides,
I can say there's disappointment they should be using him better.
I don't know if he feels that fearce he beat
Goldberg because Goldberg's and he gave out.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, I mean he'd beat Goldberg because he choked him out.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Goldberg's knee gave I still just can't get over the
chops did nothing Goldberg walking through it. It took the
knee injury. I just don't feel like there was a
lot of strength that I felt from Gunther coming out
of that victory.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Namely, the last guy who plowed through Goldberg.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, it should have been Gunther because he's the guy
you're keeping around. He's the guy that needs to look
straight as the world.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Which is why they choked him out. It was a
Goldberg match. Say what you want about Goldberg and all
that's cool. You weren't gonna have him go out there
like fucking iron Mike Sharp jumping Joey Maggs. Whoever your
favorite enhancement talent prelam wrestler from back in the day
was he still had to be Goldberg. Doesn't mean he
had to win.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Look, I don't how about a bigger emphasis. I don't
think gold I don't think Gunther looked dominant beating jay Uso.
I think he.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Looked at he just got by him.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Okay, just got by jay Usso you just got by Goldberg.
You're just getting by barely. And that does not look
like the rings general. And it's a continued perpetuation of
why does this guy that to me barely feels like
he could win the intercontinental title right now doesn't feel
like he could beat Doma Stereo from how they present him.

(41:53):
Why is that our world champion? You need to be
presented more than Doma, Sirio?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Why didn't you say that in the first place, Because
now we're back on the same page now I agree
with you. They don't use Gunther as well as they
could or should. You're right, it felt as much as
winning a world title can feel. It felt less than
when he beat Uso. I get why you were trying
to give him the rub with Goldberg. You probably should

(42:19):
have never done the Goldberg match in the first place.
You probably shouldn't have done it with Gunther because you
had to book Goldberg a certain way, and that's not
a Bill Goldberg thing, that's just the Goldberg character. There
are things in there he has to do that he
has to get in otherwise it's not a Goldberg match.
So there was no way choking him out or not
that Gunther was going to look like a dominant monster

(42:41):
against Goldberg. Nobody else would either. But there are other
guys you could have put into that match. So now
we're back on the same page. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Now, And how about this one. It feels like they
did this in backwards order. For Gunther. You brought him
in as a monster with two henchmen he never needed,
and now that you're making him a run of the
mill heel that's barely getting over these guys. It feels

(43:13):
like Kaiser and Vicente would be a lot more appropriate
additions to this Gunther rather than the Gunther they were with.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I don't know that i'd call him run of the
mill heel. He is a world champion well, but.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, feeling like a triple h, Feeling like an MJF
feeling like a cookie cutter, more mold of a.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Heel like Reigns with guys helping him win.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Every exactly where this is also part of it. Maybe
it's just me, but my disappointment with w W Creative
is that Gunther and Roman Reigns both went from big
Van Vader to Rick Flair where you needed so many
accouterments to get the victory. Where weren't you telling me

(44:04):
a year ago that was a monster heel that could
get the job done on their own. You just maybe
needed one distraction from Harley Race. You didn't need Arn Anderson,
Brian Pillman and Demon Linko running in Motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
You'd be smirs you good name of Daniel Nko And
then you bring them up again, you just be smirts
the good name of the greatest wrestler on God's Green Earth.
I'm sorry to dolaire, it's like you want to have
a MaTx with me or something. Man, keep my guy's
names out your mouth. But can you get like that NAA,
Come on, man.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
But could you get like the character modal what I'm talking?
I do, I do, I hear where it comes, Like dude,
Andre the Giant would never let this happen. But Andre
was seven feet tall. It's a totally different monster. But
you know what I mean, I'm not used to this,
this archetype where they went from monster to what would
you characterize that that triple h rick flair, the kind

(45:01):
of heel that uses the accouter monts. How do you
categorize that one? Not monster? But as it is it tactician, planner.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Cerebral assassin, dirtiest player in the game. I ain't even hard,
but yeah, I did different for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
So do we need to take all of our monsters
and mold them into cerebral heels. It feels a little
weird to have to do that. I'd like to see
you gun there as a monster, That's all I'm getting at.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Outside of Lessner last ten years, who's been a monster
World Champion, WWE Heavyweight Champion in WWE.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
You're right outside of Lesnar And they got close with
Russev with the US United States title run. And I
want to say, you know, in NXT, there were a
couple of guys that was the early feeling for Baron
KORbin for Solo Socoa. But there has been a a

(46:08):
creative issue with going all in on that monster heel
being a monster, But they are all presented as monsters
in the very beginning, Like Solo was a monster.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
The guy who came down the aisle in a fucking
tank before Shotsy Blackhart took it and shrunk it down
for her purposes. That guy was a monster.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
When he was h what's this finisher called acolyte is sure? Yeah,
when he was you know, Cammell clutching everybody for a
better term, uh and putting them all to sleep viciously,
that seemed like a monster. And that's when he did
have his uh you a United States title run and
then you needed more and more accouture months and it

(46:53):
all went out the window. So I guess we're just
we're just discovering a pattern of w W creative. They
don't like the monsters. You you established that.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I don't think anybody like in twenty twenty five. I
don't think anybody likes monsters. You mean for pro wrestling, yeah,
yea yeah, yeah yeah yeah, but pro wrestling, Yeah, I
think the days the look wrestling cyclical, But yeah, I
think the monsters has kind of gone away a bit.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, you know, when the monsters started going away every time,
like Bronze Stroman, And not to just point out brons Stroman,
but a character like that. How many times did guys
fall out the back behind sid for a power bomb.
I don't think I ever saw anyone escape the power
bomb until I was old enough to drink. And now

(47:49):
everyone escapes the power bomb, everyone escapes the snake eyes,
the shoulders block slam like everyone.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Escapes everything though and now. But yeah, maybe that is
why the big monster healed, because that's typically where they
were has gone away, because how big monsters are they
if they power bomb you three times and you still
kick out. But we see that with the smaller guys too,
the what used to be the bucks EVP thing, the kick,

(48:18):
which I guess is not anymore since they're a EVPs.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
That was actually a beautiful part of the that when
they froze, we're not EVPs. God, that was great.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
All that's super good, right, Like nobody's finishing it. Remember
when the Canadian Destroyer was like the baddest move on
the face of the earth, And now on any given
wrestling show you see it three or four times. It
is basically a transition move. Things like yeah, I again,
look I'm not backward by day or anything like that.
But the evolution of the business, for good or bad. Yeah,

(48:50):
if finishing maneuvers and big powerful spots like that don't
mean as much, then the guys doing them can't mean
as much either. And in this day and age where
where more and more you're seeing people like announced as
their real weight or close to it and like. But
back in the day, I don't care how small you were,
you were never going to be announced as less than

(49:10):
two hundred and fifty pounds. And I'll use aw as
an example, because I pay more attention there half the
guys on there on any given dynamite or collision or
under two hundred pounds. And again I'm not saying bad thing,
not saying good thing, but I'm just saying that the
evolution of the business. Being a smaller person isn't a detriment,

(49:32):
and being a big powerful monster isn't what it once
was either.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I can see where you're going with that.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
One.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Another talk to bring up with you. Did you like
the explanation from Copeland? Copeland, I wasn't saving Christian. This
was just the first time I realized FTR was at
ring sites. I could go down there and you know,
start a fight with them because that's who I actually owed,
because they're the ones that put me out. I could
agree with that if it didn't take him so fucking

(50:01):
long to get out there. While fr was out there.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
It was a tad flimsy, But yeah, I buy into
it because I think I know what it's getting us. Well,
all know what it's getting here, right, It's going to
get his FTR versus Edge and Christian, and I'm good
with that. But yeah, look, and I think you brought
it up last week. Why the hell is he out

(50:23):
there saving Christian? Blah blah. I remember, I think you
were very fairly but very hard on Adam Copeland for that.
So that kind of explains it a little bit. Is
it a little flimsy?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Maybe, but all right, I got it now. And yeah,
I think down the line, this gets us to to
FTR and Edge and Christian and I can be here
for that.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I can be here for that. I can also be
here for Okada versus Swerve. Looks like we're gonna get
that entanglement. That's a bitch. I can't wait for.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Bitch. Yeah, yeah, I why the heck not? I here's
why I'm mos surprised we didn't have Little Osprey on
TV this past week only because now you still got time.
But it sounds like he's going to take a few
weeks off. Help me out where's the next pay per view?

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Is that going to be forbidden door in the UK?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
It is? Wouldn't you assume Will Osprey's going to be
a big part of that, Like you probably want to
start that build sooner rather than later. I'm not saying
the guy doesn't deserve some time off whatever, whatever. I
don't Yeah, I don't mean it like that, but now
it might be the time you really want him.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I agree with everything you're saying, But Okada's taking on Swerve.
You look like you're going MJF. Hangman. If you're going
to maybe put off a couple of weeks where the
death Right regroup, and maybe that will be the lynchpin.

(52:05):
Maybe we get Moxley versus Osprey, Moxley and the death
Riders attacking Osprey because Osprey was the catalyst for bringing Swerve,
Hangman and Team ae W together recognizing their evil and
maybe this is where the revenge comes from from. Moxley.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Remember earlier when you were talking about Hangman's first title
run and the mistakes they made with it, and already
with this promo this past week, it's off to a
better start. Yeah, anybody not named John Moxley or Will
Osprey standing across from him in Wimbley is going to
be a letdown. I don't think that's going to be Osprey, though,
A lot's gonna happen storyline wise for that one to

(52:44):
make sense. But I think we're headed towards the rematch,
and then I think maybe after that's when we get
to MJF. But like, it can't be Claudio stepping in
for Moxley to represent the Death Riders. Nothing against Claudio,
but that's a surefire away to get this title run
to be as disappointing as his first one was. It
has to be a LEGITI main event or either last

(53:06):
champion or a guy like Osprey. They're in London, in
his hometown, and again I'm not saying they're going that
route because last time we saw him they were all friends.
Osprey probably as big a reason as anybody that hang
Man's the champ.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Right. I don't know if it sells out Wimbley, but
I'm pretty convinced it's Zach Saber Junior versus Hangman page
if it's Forbidden Door, if we're bringing the.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Two because it's not Wimbley though it's O to Arena.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
No, it's O to Arenas. It's only the twenty thousand seats. Yes,
Zach Saberg, they're not.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Doing Wimbley until all in next year they're back in women.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
If this is c MLL New Japan aew all together,
I don't think we get an all ae W main event.
I think Zach Saber Junior headlines in his own car.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And you know what, that is something worth keeping in mind.
This is it? I mean it, obviously it is, but
in their mind isn't an AW pay per view. It's
Forbidden Door CMLL New Japan. AW. You're right. Look again,
maybe it is Zach Saber Junior and Oust Bray and

(54:12):
I'm fine with all that, But as it relates to
Hangman at that point in time, it's gotta be Moxley
or you got to have the Hurt Syndicate as a
whole beat the hell out of Hangman every week to
soften him up for mjf's title shot. If you're gonna
do MJF, there so I think you're almost you almost
have to be running back Moxley and Hangman, regardless of

(54:35):
the other promotions involved here. I think from the aw
side of things, for the world title, you have to do.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That be interested to see how they presented. I just
think that they're gonna do something different for Forbidden Doors.
Maybe maybe they don't. There's a lot of ongoing factors,
and we talked about it also. I think though, one
thing that we're getting away from with the Death Writers,
I think we are getting away from them with the Tree.
I think that we will see the Ops moving in

(55:04):
a different direction. That's maybe the Bang Bang Gang.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
After some old Joe comes back.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
See if that happens before the pay per view. But
I do think there's some other trios popping up where
you could see the OPS direction go away from the
Death Writers. So that would be a definite progression in
the story.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
What the hell happened to Hook?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You know, that's been a disappointment because he came in,
he cast the Death Writers that double or nothing. He
turned his back on the Ops and I was for
sure that we would have seen him at the last
pay per view, that he had to have something to
do at all.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Hear me out. Forbidden Door, London, England, the inaugural Let's
do it this way, Jack Perry Hook, the inaugural WWE.
WWE Jesus christ ae w I said, WWE. This is

(56:03):
like a WWE idea, a w super Mini's Champion.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I'm just glad that Hobbs and the the Conglomeration Ops
beat the death Riders. At I'm done just trying to
hear me out.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Swaggle can be there to present the belt to the winner.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Why not just little Wayne? I'm sorry the UF he
already used that.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Right and and he's not that little that despite the name.
You go the comedian route, get a little rail. But whatever, No,
nothing from my inaugurabal Minies Champion, Jack Perry and Hook.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Okay, but if a beating up the ops, we'll just
go to Rooss actually beat Sabata. Maybe that leads somewhere.
I don't think that the Aungbinables actually beat the Ops,
but that could be something coming up here really quickly.
Shabata loses, I don't think Hobb's gonna take that line down.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
You see, we were talking earlier about the Don Kallis
family and how Don could have his own damn promotion.
If we wanted to sit down and figure it out,
the conglomeration might have as many members as the fucking
Don Kallis family does.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
That's why we're gonna call our new promotion c WC
Callous Wrestling Conglomeration. Yeah, and we just put these two factions.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Over there by the way, And I've already run this
by you, but I'll do it for the sake of
the for the podcast. This past week, during Dynamite, I
had an epiphany. Okay, Mark brisco is the Drew McIntyre
of AW. The crowd loves him. He's always gonna be

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upper echelon main events, but he's gonna lose almost every
one of those matches. Occasionally he'll get a win. The
fans are still gonna love him, and the losses don't
seemed to hurt him.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
He's a step above Kyle O'Reilly.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
He's a couple of steps above Color And I like
Col O'Riley.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
But Kyle O'Reilly too. But it seemed like a big
thing that you're not putting.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Kyle O'Reilly in world title matches very often. You're not
having him do a goddamn ambulance match or whatever it
was at double or nothing and then come back and
be a part and interfere in the main event.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
So he's above mid carter.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I mean he's above a mid carter, but below a headliner.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Excuse me, No, he's in the lower end of the headliner. Yeah,
he definitely made it. Look you can put him in
a main event, co main event, whatever, but he's probably
losing occasionally you'll get the win, but very popular fans
love him. But yeah, he's ae w's Drew.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
McIntyre, Anthony Bowen's has to be facing Max Caster next week.
That has to be Billy's plan, right.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
You know what at this point, Micah, I don't even
give a damn take them all off TV. I don't
give a shit. I look, I know on w w Y,
I know. I'm sorry. No, no, another epiphany I had
this past week. I don't care anymore about the acclaimed
and I know I've roiled for weeks. This is terrible.

(59:19):
Put them back together and put him back together. I
don't fucking care anymore. I just don't. You've beat me.
And here's what's the sad thing. As bad as I thought,
Castor's new gimmick was, It's a thousand times better than
poor Anthony boy and Bowen's got custody of daddy ass.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Trying to run from O'Reilly was the best thing Castor
had did in a month, and it was hilarious, especially
getting tripped by Roddy. I don't even oh, hands are up,
no harm, no foul, hands are up, just like in
the NBA. BRO that was amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
At this point, just send Bowen's home and put Castor
in the congomoration. I know, but yes, to answer your point,
I can only assume and hope that yes, well, we're
gonna get a match between the two, and then this
eventually leads to a reconciliation because God knows they both

(01:00:12):
need it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Does I like it? I like it personally, But does
Ricochet with the Gates of Agony feel too much like
Swerve with the Gates of Agony?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah? Maybe I haven't thought of it, but yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Just feels a little too similar to me. Well, I
want to like it. Well, I'm glad to see the
Gates of Agony got their pocket stuff. This week's shout
out Tony Kahan giving away too much money in that
Fatal four way. Well, I like the thought that the
Guns and this faction are gonna battle, because we saw
Ricochet come out and get involved and get the clap
back on the Guns from them in the Battle Royal

(01:00:52):
in the Gauntlet from the pay per view. I still
don't know if I feel like this is the right faction,
even though it's the faction I called for for Rikoshet.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Well, I think you need Ricochet and T and T
title matches now, you unified air quotes again, the Continental
and the fucking other one International or inter right, right, right,
So maybe it is time to introduce a new title
real quick. And shame on me for all my complaining

(01:01:27):
about these money matches and all that four hundred million
pasos match and all that shit. Do they get paid
backstage immediately after the match? Is it cash under the
table so they don't have claimant on their taxes. Do
they get a separate check for it or does it
just is it just added as a bonus into their
their bi weekly paychecks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Do they get the Russell o'kung option and take it bitcoin?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Do you get stock in the Jaguars or the or
the soccer team. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
You get an a does do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
You get four hundred million paesos worth of Jacksonville Jaguars stock.
I don't know. If I won one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Of those and I was a new japan wrestler, could
I transfer that into yen or whatever is the currency
in Japan?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
What are you think it's worth more Jacksonville Jaguars stock
or the paper young bucks money that they threw out
in the crowd at double or nothing that I saw
people literally breaking their neck, well not literally breaking the
next but literally almost breaking their necks diving.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
For each time you bring those up. I look at
the stack you have and I laugh about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
My neck's still sore. No, I'm kidding. Actually somebody handed
it up to me. But yes, I do have a
little stack over there of young books. One of them
is counterfeit because there's nothing on the back of it.
Sons of bitches.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I think those are worth more skill than even a
Jacksonville dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
It's all counterfeit joke, But yes, like one of the
I'm like, god, damn this or done everything on the back,
What the fuck? How did you get here? And that
was the first one I got. That was the first
one I got, like, son of a bitch, I went
to the effort to get one of these, and it's
a damned defective one. And then somebody's like, here, man,
have some more like thanks, I guess, but yeah, all right,

(01:03:15):
I'm sorry. I forgot what the fuck we were talking about? Now?
The money magic?

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
How about this? How did you feel about Nick Wayne
getting Mike time? He actually gave us some insight into
why he went after Christian and I don't even know
if it makes any sense, but he said something, my.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Hatred for Nick Wayne grows and grows by the day,
so it was good. That's no good. Little snot nosed
son of a bitch was a fucking lost puppy until
the dog catcher caught him and rather than putting him
down like he probably should have, he raised him and

(01:03:56):
turned him into a man. And what thanks the Christian
king you get for that? He got stabbed in the
back and turned on by that little bastard. Fuck you,
Nick Wayne. Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
That's rough for Christian, but not as rough coltpan too?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Was that too harsh? By the way, Sorry, I think
that's sorry. If it was, yeah, it was tongue in cheek.
See that's rough, but I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yes, for Cult Cabana for his first time on TV,
and four or five years, it took me some googling
to remember that was Colt Cabana to just get ambushed,
choked and bledding by the death Riders, You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
At least he didn't stick his hand up and asked
Moxley to help him out. At least he didn't try
to shake Claudio's hand after the beatdown and then get
jumped again. I dare say, getting his ass beat like that,
he looked better than Sam Punk's looked the last two
months on WWE TV. Now, having said all that, my question,

(01:04:52):
really the only thing I care about with this is
why the fuck was Cold Cabana on TV?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
What happened with the car accident? Like the MFTs were
in a car accident, they're blaming Jacob Fatu. The cops
released Jacob fat to him and Big Jim are there
to go get the MFTs. Did Solo Sakoa just run
the car into the building Like I feel like old

(01:05:20):
wwe would have had like a makeshift, like two cars
parked next to each other and like smoke coming out
of somewhere, and we would have seen a makeshift car accident.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
One no, wwe would have had one of the vehicles
exploding with someone in it and they died. But then
a week later, Oh no, that never happened. Let's let's
continue on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
So I feel like we lost that. That was a
low moment for them that creatively we had seen that
scene before execuse to a higher level.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
We had what it was a takeoff on was Rikkeishi
running over the rock in the white hummer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
But they that was horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying, take
that pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
That one was so high it's above my head long
term storytelling, my man, you know, just like our truth
being the catalyst for everything in WWE, He's gonna set
John Cena on the path to being the final champion,
and then he's gonna give Damian Prize something to do
because he obviously doesn't have anything to do besides how

(01:06:31):
you got backstage kind of walk around.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Does John see them make it out of Summer Slam
as a heel like win or lose? As he's seen
the air of his ways after.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
That, I've seen the air of my ways. I don't
know why I cheer for Cody sometimes after watching him
and the scenate interactions, I've never seen a I feel
like there's just a little bit off from WWE recently,
Like I feel like when Cody climbed up to dive
through John Cena, is it just me or old w WE,

(01:07:05):
somebody would have been in his ear, use the clipboard
to actually come down on him as the elbow drop,
not put the clipboard out here in your other hand
and do some weird move. I like the whole John
Cena signing it, but Cody flying through the air with
the clipboard didn't look as cool as I felt like
it should have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I've always thought, even in a w I've thought Cody
Rhodes has been this booked. And I'm not knocking Cody
because I like Cody a lot. If I'm WWE and
they will never do this. But if I'm WWE and
Seth Rollins is legit going to be out a year
or more, I'm having Stroman and Bronson Reid come out
during uh Sena and Cody Breaker Breaker. Who did I say?

(01:07:47):
Stroman Stroman? I'm sorry, Oh God, I'm so sorry. Sorry, Bron.
Oh yeah, it's wrong, Bron Bron. Okay. I was like,
how the fuck did I do that? Okay, yeah, Bron, Bron, Yeah, Bron,
Breaker and uh and Bronson Reid and Uh. But come
to find out, Cody Rhodes is a Paul Hayman guy.
Cody becomes the focus of that faction sena automatically a

(01:08:09):
babyface because Hayman and company just turned on him. And
you can, once Rollins comes up back in a year
or whatever, you can figure all that shit out. But
I think Cody Rhodes would make a much better heel.
And I think having a Hayman as a mouthpiece, you
also give Breaker and Bronson the rub of being with

(01:08:31):
Cody and all that, and all of a sudden you've
got a Legiti main of Ventnor at the head of
that table. Again, no pun intended. That's totally what I'm
doing now. I don't think there's a chance to do that.
I don't foresee them turning Cody heel, but I will.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
When did Ae w debut, Do you remember how many years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, That's how.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Long I've wanted Cody Roads to be a heel for
wanted to him to embrace everything that felt like he
could be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
And I'm on board with you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I just don't know if he'll allow it. It's fine.
At some point, John Cita will turn back face. I'm
I'm not sure why or what, but right now I'm
enjoying that he was actually, you know, correct this time
on Monday Night Raw Cody or on SmackDown or whenever

(01:09:25):
they did it, Cody. We need to delay this match.
Netflix has been running my ass everywhere. Netflix knows this
is a big movie. Netflix knows that I have a
big movie coming up and I can come back and
wrestle in a couple months. I just need the time
off because Netflix says so. That makes all the sense
in the world to me. Netflix is the one that's
broadcasting WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
They would have the stroke. Yeah, I know, it makes
a ton of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
It made perfect sense to me, and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Look, he's getting out of the match, but he was
trying to do it in a very unhealish way. He
was towing a line.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
He was still towing right right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
You know, he didn't make him go to fucking Saudi
Arabia and suck some blood money, dick or something to
get the title maage up like he made punk. So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I like how John Cena is bringing up how important
Netflix is to him and his WW career well on USA,
doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
While his new movie is just dropped last week on Prime.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
What movie is that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
The one where he's the fucking president and him and
the Prime Minister of England they're they're playing gets shot
down and they have to get to safe ground. You
haven't seen it actually looks really good. I'm my description
of it probably not doing it justice. Actually the premise
of it is just flimsy, but it actually looks really good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I'm just thinking, like, isn't that like one of those
Enemy of the State movies?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Something like that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
A third one in a series, right, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
In No but like an Enemy of the State slash
White House down fallin Stay. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yes, it's
it's kind of sort of like that, but it's like
a comedy action.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I'm gonna be honest with you, I had no clue
that was happening. I had. I I'm not surprised that
John Cena is in a new movie, but uh, that's
how much time I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Know this was a state is what it's called.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
But if it's not Frasier, I I really haven't watched
Paramount network or wait, excuse me. Also it's not on Paramount,
it's on Prime on Prime. Sorry, oh, even bigger reason.
Sorry guys. Until the NBA starts up next year, I
probably not watching much Prime. Really, there's a lot of
streaming services out there. In one championship Preacher, what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Are one word title shows? Prime? Now that I think
about it, there's a silo Yeah no, no, wait, silo
might be Apple. But yeah, they're a lot good stuff there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I've watched so much wrestling and fights you'd beat our
podcast listeners know, not catching many series, But good for
Johnson of that. He's still out there pumping out movies. Gosh,
yeah that is funny, hear, even though his Netflix promotion
will not really that affiliated with Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
While spending all day Friday for promoting his new movie
on Prime. Yeah, yeah, so is it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
And I meant to get to this one I brought
up our truth. Is this an increase in visibility for
Alistair Black? Or is this a reduction in presence for
Damien Priest? Like? How do you feel about this rivalry?
Are we elevating one guy? Are dragging another guy down?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I think you're trying to you're trying to elevate Alistair
what's called of Malachi. Sorry, I don't think that highly
of Priests in the first place, so you're gonna have
to put forth a lot of effort to drag him down.
In my eyes, but that's probably what winds up happening here.

(01:12:58):
I have.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Yeah, I got issues watching Damian Priest because I know
he's a Kevin Nash protege. But the feeling like they
really stuck Nash, Hall and the Undertaker in a jar
and came out with Damian Priest's moveset just boggles my mind.
Like I don't appreciate watching all three of them as

(01:13:23):
one person.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Damian Priest is a Kevin Nash protege.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
I thought he was. I thought he had a lot
of time with National Hall. Maybe I did not know
that from his Triple H days in NXT. I thought
they were brought into work with him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I'm pretty sure Hall would have been dead.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Maybe not Okay, Hall, I think might have been a
far away inspiration, but I swear there was some interaction
with Kevin Nash.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
You could be right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Either way. I just the skill set, the moves, the
way he works. I feel like it's watching. It's too
close of a matchup mismatch for me, because maybe you
could take this. If somebody is to do an addition
of a performer, I'd rather have it be from somebody
further down the road. It's like, I feel like it
was too soon when they called Rockyl Rodriguez big Mommy Cool.

(01:14:18):
I'm just like that, that's way too close to Big
Daddy Cool. That that's way too reminiscent of someone that
is really, you know, closely to this era.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
So it felt like it should have maybe caught her
Mommy Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Yeah, you know what I mean, at least something from
a few decades before. If you're so tapped out, remember
Viny Vegas, didn't it? No, I just didn't know how
I want to respect. Okay, actually I totally remember Vinnie
Vegas and the Diamond stud Yeah, exactly. See, I'm right
there with you. I just it screams out the inability
to create anything new.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Oh, you know, we had dom Mysterious, and now we
have Mommy because they're playing right off of Eddie Guerrero.
Oh look, now we have uh Raquel. We'll dress her
up in leather. She looks like a female cross between
Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Let's call her big mommy cool.
I feel like it's a hang on pushing creativity.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I probably shouldn't even say this on the air. This
very moment was the first time I realized why they
called her mommy because China was Eddie's mama.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Sita, you didn't get the whole fucking callback, the entire No,
you're that creatively lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Maybe I was just more into the I wish rio
was my mommy to really pick off my yeah no mommy.
Some of them say, yeah, no, no, you you are
eight thousand percent right. I just didn't connect the dots.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
And you're so fucking lazy it kills me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Well, it's that lazy in a way, it's kind of creative.
But I hear you. It's you can't keep rehashing to
pass this point. You got to create a new.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Future, something to keep rehashing. We're able to point that
out of Does that kind of killed the mommy a
little bit for you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I think it does.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
It's why I wasn't that impressed with it at the beginning.
I just don't ever think I pointed it out, and
I'm not trying to bring this up even further, but
did you notice that in that time period when they
started calling her mommy was when Rho went from the
long pants to the booty shorts, And that was the
same period that China went from the long pants to

(01:16:36):
the booty shorts when he started calling her mommy, like
literally following the same even attire transition.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
I don't remember China ever wearing gong pants. She probably did,
I just don't remember it. So no, dude, you want
to fucking ruin Christmas and Easter for me too? You
got you got some lowdown secrets? You want to tell
me about the Easter bunny? You asshole Christmas that that
you'd really done travel around delivering presence? Is that? What

(01:17:03):
else do you want to ruin for me? Before we
wrap this up? Michael, how about I'll surprise you and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Gonna give Wwe a compliment. WHOA Okay, you have finally
done something right with Naomi. We have proceeded down this
road with caution, but I finally think that we're seeing
some of the talent she had and for why a
year year and a half I thought she could have
been doing more and where they could have left her

(01:17:29):
in TNA to be doing more When you're telling me
that you're pushing Jade just because Jade has the look.
I'm proud to see them pushing Naomi because I feel
like she has more character to offer, more complexity that
in that character and is a better in ring worker.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Not even going to go there, not even going to
go there. I'm not there only one noticing it that
people listen to the others saying I'm taking a trend here.
But that's cool. I'll tell you when we're done, okay,
because you might not even realize it, but I'll tell
you when we're.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Done, okay. I just thought it was great seeing Naomi,
and I'd like the little the conflict between her and
Stephanie Vancore. Not to mention until there was the extra
Shenanigans going on. I thought the best in ring match
of the night might have been Etosky versus VANCOREP.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Well, it's only appropriate since we started the show talking
about Athena, will end it with you talking about Naomi.
Mike could tell everybody how then keep up with you?
You gotta type, my man, you gotta type. Hey, nothing wrong, obviously,
my love of China and uh, and Riya apparently I

(01:18:48):
got a Type two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Remember Tony Storm still number one in the power rankings.
You that the women's power. I'm saying all appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
The fan shot footage that had been going around with
her and Mercedes from All in aw the other day
released official pro shot footage. Know that wasn't on the broadcast,
but their cameras picked up which she picked her up
for the pile driver and the big bike. But the yes,
the big bite. I was gonna say the munching of carpet,

(01:19:18):
but it was probably hardwood floors anyway, So go ahead
tell everybody. I don't know where the hardwood FLOORSH just
came from. Hold on, there may be things we have
to reevaluate after the show. I don't know. Some things
might have to change, but I can tell everybody how
they can keep up with you. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
It's over on X and it's at frankl Mike to
keep up with the Pro Wrestling Chat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Uh, get the show on X at PW After Hours,
you can find me at Real Mike Carlisle. We'll talk
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