Ep 302: SummerSlam Recap. Brock Lesnar Returns. Title Changes and More.

Episode 302: SummerSlam recap...title changes, the return of Brock Lesnar, surprises and more. 










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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It is Pro Wrestling After
Hours on Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah Franko. Micah,
I was shaking, man.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Tacks, ladders, slams, summers, so many things are shaking. Everything
in the wrestling world is shaking after everything we saw
in the last week.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Coming off of two nights of Summer Slam this past weekend,
and obviously the big story, the thing on everybody's mind,
what is the condition.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Of Kyle Fletcher's nuts?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
For real? Yeah, we'll get to Summer Slam, don't worry.
Where's where there really quickly? First of all, Tony Kahn
with the big middle finger to everybody who bitches about
too much blood and weapons and stuff that at times
aw uses a lot of like don't give a fuck
collision Thursday night on regular TV. You guys go at

(01:07):
it and Dustin want you drop some taxing Kyle Fletcher's
shorts there before you kick him right square in the
damn nerds, And uh, yeah, that was I enjoyed the match.
If you want to tell me it was too much
for you, not you, Micah, but you out there listening, Hey,
I get it, and that's cool. Matches like that aren't
for everybody, but.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Damn, there's ways to do hardcore, and there's ways to
do hardcore right, and no one can out do ae W.
At this point, with televised hardcore, you might be able
to go see some GCW light bulb stuff that maybe

(01:48):
gets a little more extreme, but that match pushed things
to a bound. I did not expect we would go there.
I did not think that we would have blood immediately
from a DDT on the steps. Poor Dustin gets stabbed
in the freaking leg. Poor Kyle. You want to talk

(02:11):
about his knats. I've never seen a glove that's made
to pull weeds have the the splinters already in them.
That was like a hand of death.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, well, we'll get to the match itself in a bit.
But I know the one thing, as I watched wrestling
all week and long, though, the one thing I kept
dwelling back on.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Is what if Kyle's got all those tacks out of
his scrotum?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yet I was.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Wondering if Dustin had that screwdriver out of his knee.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
There was that too, Yeah, there was.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
It was a bit much, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Uh Summer Slam, big news coming out of it as well.
That's probably where we should really start. Micah, can we
just like jump around? Do we have to go?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Like no, we.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Don't see any certain orderma, right, there's some things and
if we just skip.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well real quick, okay, most mombastic biggest statement I can
make is seth Rawlins the greatest money in the bank ever,
like two times now? And holy shit, do they have
some creativity when it comes to the way seth Rawlins
cash is in no offense? Well, all offense intended Austin theory.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, I mean did an Austin theory cash in for
the US title?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, all offense attended towards Austin theory. Seth Rawlins is
creative or somebody is creative when it comes to his
cash ins. Is he the best money in the bank
ever theory?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, seth Rollins, Ah, you mean faking an injury for
a month.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I just mean between the two different times that he's
held money in the bank, the month faking the injury
and the previous time with the cash in on on
Lesner and Rains. Is he the greatest just in theory
architect archetype for being a money in the briefcase money
in the bank briefcase holder for me to say it,

(04:09):
is he.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
The greatest opportunist of all time? Is that why you're
asking guys? Basically whomever holds the money of the bank briefcase? Right,
you just waiting for the opportunity, right.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, it's either him or I feel like Edge also
was like pretty epic with having it.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I haven't given it a lot of thought. Sure, yeah,
I mean it was creativity. Look, we're talking about pro wrestling.
I don't care that his knee injury wasn't real. Oh dude,
that really Yeah, that really doesn't bother me at all.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know what bothers me about it? Think back like
a couple months ago and Kevin Owens got injured, and
I had the audacity on this show to say to you, yeah, no,
it's too simple that Kevin Owens has a neck injury.
After ever, during everyone's neck is that a ruse? And
we kind of went, no, they're not going to do
that with an injury, And I'm just sitting there like, God,

(05:01):
damn it, I was two months off. That's what I
was upset about.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, No, my problem is and again I guess it
doesn't affect me, so maybe it shouldn't be a problem
for me. But you're working the guys and the gals
in the back, that's a bit much. I admire the
fact that two days after the injury seth Rollins is

(05:25):
hosting The Rich Eisen Show on crutches with his knee
bandaged up. Yeah, I had an MRI. They were swelling.
It was inconclusive. I can appreciate the links they went to,
I guess, but I think in a business where mistrust
is always an issue, just because it's kind of the
nature of the business when a company is working the

(05:48):
talent like that, I could see how that would further
breed mistrust. But look, I can't it's a work sport
air quotes. The fact that he wasn't really that doesn't
bother me at all. But yeah, I mean it also,

(06:08):
as soon as his music hits after punk wins, at
that point, anything you had read is it real? Is
it not real? And they were legitimate wrestling journalists out
there that swore up and down not legit, not legit.
This is when the unless they change plans, this when
the cashing is gonna happen. And sure enough that was

(06:30):
the case. But yeah, as soon as his music hit
and he comes out like that, You're like, yeah, that
motherfucker ain't hurt. He's about to go cash in and
beat the hell out of sea him Punk And sure enough,
that's what happened. I like, I mean, I liked it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it, but yeah,
the disappointment in how everything was handled that I've seen

(06:50):
by some online, it doesn't bother.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Me, but you know, that's just me.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Summerslim wasn't a big enough priority for me to watch
live so already, having known with everything on the internet
going off that it was a ruse and seth Rawlins
was healthy. I took it in from just watching it
back from the perspective of let's see how it played out, obviously,
you know, knowing what had already happened going into it,
and it was fine the way it played out. The

(07:20):
only thing I didn't like about it well, like you said,
the blurring of the lines now with the injury, but
the actual cashion what felt strange to me. And I
know you'll tell me this is every money in the bank,
but it just felt a little awkward. When Rollins goes
into the ring and he has the breathecakes and he's

(07:40):
assaulting CM Punk with it, and the ref's just standing
there watching it. Feels a little weird, And I know
it happens with money in the bank, that the referee
who should technically be in there to stopping the illegal assault,
possibly if you're bringing authority in there, she's just eagerly
watching you beat him down with the briefcase. I understand you.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Know why that happened. Why the referee didn't do anything
because he said, hey, I'm about because he hadn't cashed
in yet.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, yeah, that's why you stop him from the beatdown.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
That's why you act like he hasn't He hasn't cashed
in yet.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
No, that's why you stop the beatdown after the match,
like you know, like in a normal setting, if they
were there was an attack. You see sometimes in WWE,
referees run down and they they intervened. Adam Adam Yeah,
Nick all this, Adam Pierce. They're all screaming, hooplong. You're
trying to intervene. Not many times is one of them
eagerly standing by watching it not doing anything. That part

(08:40):
just stuck out to me. I understand the whole mechanism
of setting up money in the bank. But I was
just like, why is she st I know, because the
match hasn't started yet, it's not illegal. Why are you
just standing there? Like imagine this was in the back,
they wouldn't just stand there and watch it. But whatever
that part, I thought, for the most part of my one,

(09:02):
Cmpunk Gunther was the best match of the night. The
cash was unexpected, it was a beautiful moment.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I would argue there was only one not good match
on Night one. Now, were there some I like better
than others? Sure? Absolutely, I would agree with you. I
think Punk and Gunther were probably the best. Can you
guess which match I didn't like?

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't want to even I didn't even want to
mention their names throughout the entire episode. That was my
entire goal for today was to not say Tiffany and
Jade match was the atrocity. And again, if they were
fighting for the women's North American title on NXT, I

(09:52):
wouldn't have a problem with either one or their maturations.
As performers say.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Look, say what you want about Jade Cargill and whether
she seasoned enough or ready for what they're doing the
way they've used her the last five months at big
events and to have her lose like that in seven minutes, Eh,
you open up Night one with Roman and Jay usso

(10:21):
versus Breaker and Bronson Reid. I would have had read
and break her win here. We talked about this last week.
But if Rowlins is coming back at the end, which
he did, and at the end that faction standing tall,
this made sense. But I was in the moment. I

(10:43):
was a little surprised. Damn they Well, I wasn't surprised
because it's Roman, but I was still kind of sparing, like, damn,
they really had Roman and Jay win here.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, I totally agree with you. If I had been
watching it live, I probably would have had the same
inclinations to you. I don't know if I'd jumped on
the seth Rawlins thing, because right away, that's the thought
we had last week. Bron and Bron had a win,
because how do you keep this faction looking strong if
they don't they pull a rabbit out of the hat
out of the at the end, and they do look strong.

(11:13):
Roman and Jay looked strong. They won. It was a
nice match. And then Jay, I like that he did
his best Roman impersonation on Monday Night.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
How's that he won? There?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Man, he took the big win and went on vacation. Apparently,
that's the most Roman thing I've seen done by Jay. Well,
I mean, besides all the spears that happened in their match.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I've seen a lot more Roman things from Jay.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Charlotte Flair alects a Bliss defeat Raquel Rodriguez and Rock
Sane Perez WWE Women's Tag Team Championship match. I enjoyed
this match as well. I wasn't sure I was going to,
but I did. I like Charlotte and Alexa together. It's
just walking enough and weird enough that it intrigues me.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's fine from the theory that the tag team women's
titles have never mattered, and there's such a hot potato
that I guess a Booker t Dustin Rhodes Odd couple pairing,
you know what I mean, a Mick Foley the Rock
Odd couple to take that theory that's been successful in

(12:25):
the men's division and to put it over with the women.
I almost felt embarrassed once I saw the women, once
I saw the titles change, because I actually thought Rocksund
and Raquel stood a chance. My first reaction was. I
wanted them to retain because how can we perpetuate the
dysfunction of the Judgment Day and the whole allienation Live

(12:45):
Morgan if they don't have the women's tag team titles
because I felt like Raquel was the real Lynch Bin. Well,
then you see Finn Balor come out on I believe
it's Monday or Sunday Night that they've now been told
Live's not going to be back for six to eight months.
If that's true, how I fully understand the title change.
This really will give enough time for Alexa and Charlotte

(13:06):
to get close, for everyone to love them, and then
they can implode by the time the Judgment Day takes
the titles back and they become the enemies that I'm
actually looking forward for Alexa and Charlotte to really be
because these friend situations will only last so long.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Oh, certainly, there's definitely a shelf life on it for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Solicsly where it going. I'm fine within like you said,
the match, it was not one of the worst three
matches on Night one, No one that.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Was eh, I would did you know what you said?
One of three worst matches?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I had three that I didn't care for, and
you already made me it might well and we can
have a long debate on one of them, because you're
as wrong as you can be on it.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I would tell you this might have been the third
worst match. Now again, I only thought there was one
that was actually just bad and I didn't care for
at all. But if you're ranking them, I would have
this as my third worst. Sammy and Carry.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
And I would actually have his second worst.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I like both guys. I love seeing Carry Across on
pay per view the whole. The dynamic of it just doesn't.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Work for me.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Uh, you're a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Sammy used the.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Pipe. I'm not a bad guy. Maybe I will use
the pipe. No, I won't do fucking use the piper.
Don't use the pipe. But to me, I didn't need
all that um. But that was my thoughts on Samy's
ay and carry Across.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
My thought was, this is the same Sammy Zain who lied, cheated,
and steeled to get Roman reigns over for well over
a year. Wait he has a quarrel with picking up
a freaking chair. Now, wait, this is gonna define who
he is. I didn't like the story because it implied
morals on Sammy that I don't think we've seen exist.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Now tell me while why you hated Drew McIntyre and
Logan Paul beating Randy Orton and Jelly Roll.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I just didn't care for the match, just didn't care
for the match. Logan Paul did the spot that I
expect him to do, jumping off of stuff. It was
the third.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Best match Night one for me. Now again, it is
what it is, and I'm not telling you Jelly Roll
is about to leave music behind and become a full
time wrestler. But he did way more than most celebrities
would have done. I don't know that I pictured Jelly
Roll laying there on the table while Logan Paul jumped

(15:39):
off and nearly killed him. I will also tell you
Jelly Roll apparently has more intestinal fortitude than Randy Orton,
because Jelly Roll kept getting back up and at some
point Randy just said fuck it. But for what it was,
I thought it was fine and for me anyway, any

(16:02):
concerns I had about Jelly Roll being in a prominent position,
I thought he did more than a solid enough job
with everything.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I was fine with it.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm also glad that McIntyre and Logan Paul got to win,
mainly because I think we all assume Orton and Jelly
Roll would win because the celebrities got to win, so
that was a little different.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I just didn't care for the match. I don't care
for the matches with the long dramatic pauses, the carrying,
the jelly Roll off, and jelly Roll just had me
cracking up throughout the match, especially at the finish where
he like inched his way laying into place and then
put his arms in the perfect position. I'd be dying laughing.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I forget what they called it, but it was basically
the sidewalk slam or whatever like big Boss spending suit
that Drew McIntyre basically had to come off the ropes
and due to himself while Jelly Roll held his arm out.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Look the fact that they had to jump into it. Yeah, yeah,
I understand for a w audience what it was. Just
how I graded that match was the third worst. I
had Punk Gunther at the top, and then putting the
women's tag match or jay Uso as the next two

(17:15):
best ones. There were only six matches. There were the
three best and the three worst.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
You know, I'm with you and again yeah I'm not
telling you it was anybody's Matt classic.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
No, Star Raiders are gonna give that one five stars.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
It was not the worst thing on the show by
a long stretch.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It wasn't the best either, but it was.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Hey, we got through it, and I'm happy to be
through it exactly.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Night two, Uh, the women's icee match was the only
one that really didn't do a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
For me, you know what. I like that match.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I actually even I thought the triple threat match was
really good.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yes, there was a plant for me for a good
part of things where I thought too was stronger than
Night one. Yeah, in an overall sense, they really tried
hard with all the different table and ladder spots. Can
someone check on Candas Lray because Johnny Gargano didn't didn't

(18:16):
do it. I mean, the tag teams went out there.
I wasn't surprised that the Wyatts, with eighty seven people
on their team eventually got the victory over all the
two man teams. It was nice that b Fab and
Candice Larray became part of tag teams so that we
can have even more bodies like the biggest use of people.

(18:40):
But I thought Becky and Lyra. That was the most
that I had liked Lyra. We've seen it with the handcuffs.
I thought it was a creative use of the zip
ties and not to mention when Becky trapped Lyra in
the chair. For as much of a fan though as
I am of her, I felt like Bailey an unneeded

(19:00):
additive that we could have got the finish. We could
have got a lot of that without the insertion of Bailey,
who looked really awkward at the end, not getting involved
in the finish while acting like she was tripped up
in the ropes.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
They would have They would have been much better off.
If you're going to have Bailey inter fear she either
full turns on Lyra or beats down Becky and helps Lyra,
rather than the.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
How it played out.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, I didn't care for how it played out. Didn't
have a problem that she was involved, But yeah, I
just for me, the match was too long. I think
Becky Lynch is grossly overrated and Lyra Valkyria.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
A little overrated too.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Again just me. Now, the triple threat Naomi beating Rhea
Ripley and Eos Guy, I thought that was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I thought that was really good. A little bit not
surprised with the heel way of stealing the pinfall kind
of at the end, all played out as expected, big
story about Rhea and Edo and Naomi takes the title
at the end. I also like the Naomi's entrance her
with her father. Thought that was a cute moment many

(20:25):
years in the making.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yep, yep. I enjoyed all that was. Was also glad
to see that Naomi get the win and retain there.
Did not. I didn't hate it, but did not really
care for Solo and Jacob Fartu either.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
The match did absolutely nothing for me as I thought
it would going in. I don't get much from the
mft's Jimmy so all that. Yeah, I just it was
didn't do much for me.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah. I enjoyed Dominic, Miss Stereo and aj Styles. I
was very happy that Dominic won because I think that's
great for him. But then I started thinking about it
from the other side. I'm like, God, damn AJ Styles
can't even beat Dominic my Stereo. When's his contract up?
When did he go? Wreussell will Osprey at ae w.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I don't think any of that's happening anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
So, but I bring all that up to say I
felt a little bad for AJ, but I think it
was the right move with Dominic winning and without the
help of outside in appearance. Now, yeah, there might have
been a boot involved and all that, but that was
a good, good match. I expected them to go longer
than they did. I was a little surprised it ended
as quickly as it did, but I thought it was

(21:44):
fine for what it was.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I am I didn't care for the match that much.
It was fine. I'm I'm kind of over that. Dominic
mysterios entire is a long tribute to Eddie Guerrero, and
every time they do another tribute to Eddie Guerrero, I'm like,
he's a living tribute to Eddie Guerrero. You have the

(22:08):
same Eddie Guerrero mustache, hairstyle, lying, cheating, stealing style. He
does half of Eddie Guerrero's moves. The match was a
tribute to Eddie Guerrero, which I felt was an overblown
tribute that didn't need to happen because Dominic is already
a tribute to Eddie.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
But it was.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
It was fine. I just didn't care for it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Interesting. Cody Rose beats John Cena. This was really good
and WWE sucks.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
The match itself was very good. The match itself was
was interesting. John Cena went out on a limb in
several ways. How we got here I don't understand, but
he's being cool. It happened.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I guess here's my problem. WW they're the storytellers, right,
what story do we just tell exactly? And that's the
fucking problem.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
So wait, wait, John Cena overcame the powers of evil
to become good again. No, to then show that he's
not good enough to overcome Cody.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
No. No, So your biggest story of the year was
the Rock wanting Cody Rhod's soul. Cody tells him no,
Sena gives him the nutshot, and the beloved John Cena,
on his retirement tour, has turned. He's turned his back

(23:40):
on the fans, he turned his back on Cody Rhoades.
He is evil as fuck. All of a sudden, that happens.
The Rock disappears, John Cena shit talking to fans, all that,
all that, and then on a random SmackDown he suddenly
turns good again. Yep, the fuck again. We knew Sena

(24:04):
was not going to go out that way at some
point he was gonna.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Turn and I have no problems that he turned you
and I just.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Don't get wrestling. No, we don't get storytelling.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well no, I get storytelling. That wasn't storytelling. That was.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
This has gone on long enough.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Uh, we're bringing Brock back. Let's fucking do shit, because
there would have been much better ways. You could have
had Cody beat Respect in the SNA on Sunday and
all that. But just random SmackDown and don't tell me
always the SmackDown before the two nights of SummerSlam the

(24:41):
perfect time to do it. SummerSlam going into the pay
per view did less numbers than the week before, so
it wasn't a banner SmackDown. But yeah, you just randomly,
seemingly randomly do it. And now all of a sudden,
the scena is good again.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And we wanted seen it to be good again. We
wanted seen it to be good but again, and we
wanted to cheer him. So the crowd got what they
wanted and they didn't need a reason because that's what
they wanted.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
The crowd was carrying across as well. I didn't really
hit that, but so that's my problem there to be
fair I think the Rock f them in the a
on this whole deal, and as soon as he took
his ball and went home, the whole scena turning heel

(25:29):
went to shit.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Do you buy the rumor that the original thought was
to put Kevin Owens in that scene of role before
Kevin owens neck injury.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
The Rock suggested that, I don't think they were interested
in doing that, But yeah, I buy that the Rock
was interested in that, And I don't think that that
would have been a bad idea either, Like yeah, no,
And by the way, the heel turn itself was fantastic
from Sena. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah. The face turns.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
The way they did it was ass. Yes, more ass
than the ass imprint that Sena used to have on
the back of his head before he got the hair transplants.
But Cody wins and again fantastic match. No problems with
all it, with any of that. And then Cody brings

(26:26):
Sena into the center of the ring, holds his hand up,
says get your adoration from the fans, and the champ
walks to the back and then out comes fucking Cody
Rose by the way, not a good person. Uh. Cody
goes to the back all of a sudden out comes
brock Lessner does his little bouncing on the stage comes

(26:49):
in S five's John Cena.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Holy shit, Yes that all happened, never not never, not
not not never not never after Oh cochin, I can't
say not never. I can't say a lot sooner than
I expected to see brock Lesner back in WWE.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Was not nearly as well kept a secret as some
people made it out to be. The word was out
that morning that that Lester was.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Back against SummerSlam, not not something that I was that
indulged by something.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I understand that it was only WWE's second biggest event
of the year.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I got you, but uh, he said sarcastically.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
But yeah, look that being said big on my weekends plans.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
No, look, I hear you, I hear you. But yes,
for a lot of people, seeing brock Lesner back a
little surprising.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Do you think that sends a message about how the
company feels about the words s A or A sexual offense,
sexual assault? Do you think it's a larger how they
feel about that, or do you think this is just
that they feel whatever neativity and blowback comes their way
they can handle, or do are they thinking that right

(28:06):
at this point, there's gonna be a settlement, so this
doesn't go any further in NDA's like.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, no, none of that, don't give a shit. No,
uh well no, hold on, well I'm getting this there.
When they announced during the pre show on Saturday that
there were no post fight press conferences they were doing
things differently, that should have been clue number one that that,
Oh there's a reason Triple Ah ain't gonna.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Want to talk after Sunday night. What can that reason be?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
What this is, Micah, nothing more, nothing less. And if
you're a UFC fan, shame on you if you're surprised
by this, because this is just further proof. And I'm
not saying it's bad. I'm not saying it's good. I'm
just saying it is what it is. This ain't your
old WWF or E anymore. This it' the Vince McMahon

(29:00):
owned WWE. This is the t k O own WWE.
Where over in UFC. Well, they're independent contractors. They can
say what they want. Oh, John Jones has done this,
He's done that. Connor McGregor what what, Yeah, not our problem.
They're they're independent contractors. So yes, you're now seeing that

(29:21):
in WWE A I know he's mentioned forty four times
and in the Janelle Grant lawsuit, but uh no, he's
an independent contractor, so uh no, he can he does
what he does that that That was my take on this,
and I'm not again, I'm not saying that's good. I'm
not saying it's bad. I'm not saying I agree with
it or disagree with it. But I'm saying that's why

(29:46):
we were saying Rock back.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I will not mince where it's it's sickening to me
that he's back. It's sickening with that messagington to me
because especially when you put it like this, WWE is
a kids base program. There's a target audience of a
much younger demographic than what we are looking at from
mixed martial arts. Mixed martial Arts is marketed to the

(30:16):
demographic of the eighteen the forty nine year old male
that's already a bit aggressive. There's already a type from it.
When we're looking at the kids that were marketed a
whole cogen a John Cena, it's a much younger archetype
that they're looking It's a much younger archetype like when
my nephews wanted us back in the day to take

(30:38):
them to the local events center, and I had to
buy green wristbands for them for John Cena because you're
appealing to those little kids. So that's what makes it
that much more sickening to bring back somebody with these
kind of allegations looming over their head, because I'm thinking
of it as a a entity marketed to kids.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
And that's very fair. I can't disagree agree with you
on that. Again, I'm not saying I'm for it. I'm
not saying i'm against it. I'm just saying that.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
I don't think they looked at it quite that way.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
That. Again, you want him back, all right? Here, here's
how we bring him back. John wants to work with him,
all right. Remember they're both good friends of a certain
former owner.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Who I think could very easily come back to be
the special guest referee in their blowoff match. I understand
that feels like a bit harder, but I mean, if
you bring back one guy with those allegations, does it
matter if he has one of those allegations are all
forty four allegedly?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
All right? Well, Lester doesn't have forty four allegations but
his name was mentioned in her lawsuit forty four times.
I think there's a I would be very surprised if
fitsic Wen showed up again. Remember TKO's fired him twice.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Now, all right, he retired the first time.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
We know his situation is different. Now again, I would
never say never at this point, but because I hear you,
but I think the Vince situation is a little different.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I agree with you from that standpoint that we probably
won't see it.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
But I just feel like that the.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Messaging they gave us makes it feel like it's a
lot more possible than I would have pre brock Lessener,
where we both feel the same, where we're like, no,
that's just not happening, right.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I guess for brock Lessner's sake, thank god for missed flights,
because apparently that was the only thing keeping him from
either chatting on that poor woman's head or watching Vince
do it, or however that dynamic work, because so basically
you had was him asking her well, I say all,
I and again I don't know how that is, but

(33:10):
asking the videos of her peeing and some graphic back
and forth texting and all but his flight got canceled
or he miss his flight or whatever. So the secret
Rendez who allegedly was not able to come to fruition. Look,
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you it's okay,
it's fine, or everybody is a title to your opinion,

(33:33):
and whatever your opinion is.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
You are on right to have that opinion. You feel
that the way you feel.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
My point is from the TKO standpoint. All right, they
want to bring him back. How can we do this? Well,
God damn Dana does it every week over on the
UFC side, We just do it. Yeah, exactly. Well, keep
you from having to talk about it for as long
as we can. But when you do have to talk

(34:02):
about it, independent contractors, we don't micromanage, blah blah blah.
We are aware of the allegations, we don't like them, YadA, YadA, YadA,
but it is what it is. The other reason I
don't think you ever see Vince back. Maybe I'm wrong
on this. I don't believe Vince speaks to his daughter,

(34:24):
his son in law, or his wife or ex wife.
I think they're technically still married, So I don't know
how enthusiastic son in law would be about writing a
storyline for Vince's return. Maybe I'm wrong on that. I
also think the allegations against Vince are way more serious

(34:49):
for a variety of reasons than they were against Brocket.
And again i'm not I'm not telling you, oh it's okay,
Brock's back. Hell, no, sense stands around it. I don't
like it either.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'm kind of sick and that you know, we have
to that because of our podcast, because of our show,
we're gonna continue to watch the WWE product and that
and somehow to me, we're not allowing it, but we're
not discouraging what he did because we're gonna keep up
with the product. We're gonna keep watching it. And because
of our watching, it helps the views. And brock Lester

(35:24):
is gonna get paid like any other day.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh I'm sure he was getting paid anyway because he
was under contract. So you sit at home and get
paid or I feel better about that.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well hear no, no, no, they're wasting the money and
not benefiting off of it, where we're having to watch
these the legend of it, what he could yeah, what
he could have perpetrated, and having to just oh, yeah,
that's fine, go ahead and entertain our kids. Ah, it's
Brock lesnar Yay everybody, Brock Yay. Seventy thousand people are
happy to see Brock. I'm like, no, no, no. I

(35:57):
was always ruling with how are we gonna feel the
day that we had to cover him at a UFC
Hall of Fame induction. I was gonna be like, uh, well,
thankfully you too big of a start to come talk
to us, and you might have got one photo of him,
But I was sorry trying to rule with that day,
not to day that we have to consistently watch him
on TV again.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
By the way, now that he's back in the good
graces and and look, reportedly legal cleared this like two
months ago, so that it wasn't a spur of the
moment on Friday. Hey let's get Brock down here, blah
blah blah. But you brought up UFC Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Uh this might open a door for that.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh I'm sure, I'm sure easily easily.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeh yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
So I mean there's there you go. All in all,
I enjoyed SummerSlam, Like I said, just there were two matches,
one each night that that I just did not like.
And then there are a couple of I could have
done without or that was just okay to me. But
all in all, I enjoyed it. I would be lying

(36:58):
if I didn't tell you that. My lasting thought on
this and what's going to leave a very bad taste
off of this show is the last visuals of Summer
Slam was Rock Lester standing over John Cena.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah. Leave, it's a bad taste in my mouth. I
just want to keep going back to the thought of
seth Rollins his amazing money in the bank cash and
seth Rawlins pulled the ruse and for better or worse,
I'm probably not going to handle performer injuries the same
way again, unless I am backstage knowing that they're actually injured.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's all part of the show again, It's a worked business. Yeah,
I look to be fair. You you really believe the
osprey has three compressed nerves in his neck but he's
gonna be fine in a month.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
No, But there was a different way that they.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
They they ended the match, did all the injury protocol
stuff that they did, air quotes, go to a quick
finish which they actually played off of on rall with
with with la A Knight getting the win on on
But yeah, I think The problem for people with the
Rollin's injury was you treated it as a real injury.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like That's where I said, is Seth is Kevin Owens injured?
They're treating it like a real injury. Is Stokely injured?
No Is will all Spring injured? No Is Kevin Owens injured? Yes,
was Seth Rawland injured? We all thought. So it's part
of it where Night won. There were press conferences, and

(38:38):
I don't know how I feel about the pseudo press
conference is still where it is a press conference but
it's not a press conference.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
There were no press conference after right one.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
They did the thing at the desk where the the
the pre post and post show crew had some people out.
But the post fight media scrum that Triple A's like
Tony condos after every paper that oh, that's what they
stopped doing because look, the fucking goofy ball dude ain't
gonna ask Triple H why'd you bring rapist rock Lissner back, right,

(39:12):
you know? Or or whatever? Whatever. Yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Just more than oh, we're gonna have to talk to
Seth Rawlins about his uh. I thought that happened at
the press conference where they were legend that he have
falsified the medicals. I was like, wait, huh, are we
are we doing this? Are we not doing this? And
last thing for WWE I wanted to bring up and
ask you is are you watching the show on Netflix
and no one I ain't talking about Raw.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yes, I don't. I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't need to see how much that is all
made and I don't know it the theory of it.
I might need to watch it, because the theory of
it so far.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's it's not as nearly as bad as any old
school wrestling fan. O.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
God, you're exposing the business.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Exposing the business how like faking an injury and working
the boys, going before athletic commissions and telling them we're
not a real sport, we're sports entertainment. Exposing the business
in what way? Now? Again, Look, I get it if
you want to watch it and be surprised by what happens.

(40:22):
I also assume that means you don't go online and
read spoilers or news, or listen to podcasts or anything
like that either. To me, this is just an extension
of that, and I don't have a problem with it.
If you have a problem with it. Hey, that's fine.
I get that too, that that's your prerogative. For the

(40:43):
most part, I find it somewhat amusing.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I just I saw one out take where it was
Bianca bell Are talking about the hair whip and to
not hurt one of the girls, and it's a real
conversation that happens backstage. Just seeing the pre planning of
the match in some essences and that awareness, it loses
the story for me that I'm gonna turn on the episode.

(41:10):
Like I didn't have to see behind the scenes to
know the Power Rangers and the person in the costume
was a person in the costume and they were in enemies.
But seeing backstage and the constant reminder that they're just
two thespians at that point portraying roles, it doesn't help
me buy into something that I'm trying to get lost

(41:34):
in the story of.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And that's a.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Very fair point.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
My counterpoint would be, and again, look, I'm not arguing
with you on it. I just like to go back
and forth a little bit. You don't want to see
Bianka talking about being careful not to hurt anybody with
her hair, but you don't have a problem watching any
fucking Bianca bel air match where in any thing that
resembled a real fight, you're tying her to the ropes

(42:04):
with that hair, You're choking her out with it, You're
doing all the like again. And I realize we're talking
about wrestling here, but if this were UFC, they're not
letting her in the octagon with that hair, right. So
I hear you, And look, you're not wrong. And we
all ingest things differently, and there's some things you're cool

(42:26):
with knowing and the other things you just don't want
to know. Hey, I got all that too. I just
say't from me. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I hear what you're saying. It's just I I like
to get lost in the magic of John Cena beat
Cody Rhodes for a title. Not the script said John
Cena wins the title here, so we react.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I know, I do. I remember being so lost in
the magic when the Wyatt six showed up and literally
murdered every goddamn person backstage, and a week later, all.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Those people were no longer murdered.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, that that ruined it for me. And if I
had to see the behind the scenes, No, I'm kidding.
Ww he does.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
There a lot of matter that took to murder the
magic themselves. I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, that's my point. Look again, I don't think you're
wrong at all if you don't want to watch it
or not just you, I don't mean you specifically, but
but if you don't or anybody else will, that's cool.
And I ain't gonna ridal can kill you for it.
I get it. As for me personally, I'm insulted by
a lot more than I see on TV on a
weekly basis than I am of what I've seen on

(43:32):
that show.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
And and just to just the couple the outtakes that
I've seen, it just felt like there was a different
tenure because I've saw clips from Total Divas when they
used to do that.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, and they.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Didn't go that far backstage talking about oh how this
is doing or that's doing. They focused on their outside lives.
They did so they were people and not just the character.
But they didn't do a lot to rub away the
mystique of who the character was. And that's what I
fear that this show will do. Not to mention, I
don't need to see the bickering that you and I

(44:03):
have right here. Half of Triple h and five other
dudes about who's gonna win the royal rumble.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I'm like that.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
They're like, I wonder about the creative process of wwe
have a podcast, bro, it's the same thing. We're all
thrown around ideas until some sticks.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Exactly exactly anything else wwis Oh.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Thank helly, No, we have crossed that finish line. You
all right over in a W Well.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Meanwhile, Kyle Fletcher's still picking thumbtacks out of the scrotum.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
We'll get to that in a second.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Some things from Dynamite that stood out for me, all right,
the disrespect of the young Bucks continues. They're just already
in the ring. Now.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
That was awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
No, I enjoyed it, and they actually helped the Outrunners
have a pretty good match. Outrunners breaking out that their
newport tights again. I like that.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
My wife even recognized though, she is like, I think
my dad smoked those back in the day.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Probably so, probably so.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It was a good match. It was a solid match.
There was no problem with the Bucks and there.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
If you're Christian Cage and all you've done your aw
run is try to help the less fortunate orphans in
that company, only to literally see every last one of
them stab you in the back. At what point in
time do you stop trying to help others and just
look out for yourself? Don't look at me like that.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I was like, when did Christian start to look out
for anybody?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I wasn't speaking French, You understood me.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Whoa whoa? Whoa whoa?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
When does he start looking at hold on, let's run
down the list. Jungle Boy, Lucasaurus, that bastard, Nick Wayne,
Kip Sabian, Mama Wayne. Where were they'd all be on
the show streets without Christian k He tries to give
them a home, raise them a good foundation. Now, not
raising Mama Wayne. But you really.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Wanna you really want to go back to what Christian
did for Jack Perry. He took all the jungle out
of that man. He beat it out of him, He
stripped him down and made him a jackass. To see.
M bug couldn't stand. We don't know that. I would
not I would Timeline match.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I would not put that on Christian cage.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
But hey, he shared his truth, he shared his obsession.
He now has a lack of trust and he's an asshole.
We're talking about Christian, right, Yeah, okay, making sure, and
then he's gonna be his own person, not the person
that Copeland wants him to be, disowning all of his
kids along the way until they concertoed his ass. I kinda,

(46:51):
I kinda, I kind of just wish that would have
happened in the first place, and I guess we're gonna
inevitably get the same place we need to go anyway. Eventually,
Christian will come back with his head on straight once
it reinflates.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh. MJF falls further out of flavor
with the Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
He's fully out, isn't he. That's two thumbs down, there's
only three thumbs.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, but MVP wasn't there, and MVP can sway votes.
I kind of think I know who we're heading with this, Micah,
and I know you do as well. But I'm assuming
we're gonna get f tr Hurt Syndicate after this tag
team tournament thing plays out. For those of short memories

(47:41):
or new to a w.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
MJF longtime friends with Yes was in a stable with Oh,
you're talking about the Pinnacle. I was just gonna say
he's also good friends with soilkly Hataway was the original manager.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Right true right was also in a stable with FTR.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
MJF might be about to f over the Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
He's gonna hurt people, He's gonna hurt feelings.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Exactly, Hangman, Page and Moxley.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
So it was not as good as it could be.
But I thought it was really awesome. And I also
it's a grinder stage for SummerSlam. And I don't mean
to bring up WWE again, but it's hard when you
have a Moxley, Hangman and Dustin Fletcher to do anything

(48:32):
extreme in WWE that's gonna match what they pull out.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Well, I think knowing you were doing Dustin and Fletcher
the next night was probably one of the reasons you
didn't see as much blood here as you might normally
would have any John Moxley match and a Hangman match
for that matter at this point. But it was good.
But for everybody being banned from ringside, that means they

(49:00):
could all still come out and fight.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, really, band from ringside, not band from the outside. Hey,
you know, totally off topic, who has been an MVP
of this Chicago stint for a e W who use
been thunder Liger as heavy said as he is now,

(49:24):
he's held up every event being there in the background.
I don't know if you notice that. No, yeah, there's
a guy walking around a use in thunder and Liger
caused him usually behind Shavanni. Okay, damn, I thought you
would have been more excited about that.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
No. No, Hangman gets the win, retains the title. Darby's
out there. Yeah all right.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I feel like with Forbidden Door coming up this week,
something has to give because we keep having these illusions
of MJF Hangman rivalry kind of bubbling. But like you said,
we also have MJF in the Hurt Syndicate in their
demise not to mention with MJF. I believe want to

(50:16):
see MLL title the other day we did. John Cruise
was his a translator. I'm just having a feeling that
that leads us towards Forbidden Door, where we get myssic
go Hangman page er or someone from c MLL is
coming up to challenge MJF. So I feel like that
means we're gonna have I keep saying I think it's

(50:40):
Zach Saber Junior or at least somebody from New Japan
Rev Pro. Something is coming over here to challenge Hangman
for the Forbidden Door main event, because I don't think
we're gonna do Moxley Hangman three times in a row.
That was a lot I gave you.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I agree with you. But by
doing mox hang Ma this past week, I think that
all but assures we're not going to see that main
event at Forbidden Door on August twenty fourth. MJF probably
going to be occupied elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
So it feels like hang Man Page kind of tied
things in a nice little bow maybe, And I think
that this coming week will get a lot more insight
into his immediate future, as long as this.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Not Claudio or Wheeler Yudah, I'm good way and we
just had to beat you to two weeks ago on TV.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Again. I'm not anti Death Riders, but he's already taken
out Moxley. I don't want to. I don't need to
see him take out the Lesser Thans.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Now, if you.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Did it right and Pack was ready to return and
he busted out this week, maybe you could do that
right and have that at Forbidden Door at O two Arena.
But other than that, it should not be anyone else
from the Death Riders.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Probably shouldn't be the Death Rids. I do like the
transitioning Darby is now becoming the obsession of John Moxley.
We have transition that way. I like how I mean,
I guess he makes a theatric entrance, but you can
obviously tell that hey Man is not boys with Darby
like he is with Ospray and Swerve, because Darby's got

(52:30):
to wait for, like all the Death Riders to be
down there. You just can't come down there and help
out Darby making a eloquent entrance, and I like the
way that that progressed on collision. He nearly murdered John Moxley.
It looked like you try to throw him out a train.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah. Congratulations Athena and Billy Starks. You helped timeless Tony
Storm have her worst match in aew Tony and Alex
Windsor took on Athena and Billy. Sorry, it just didn't
care for at all. It makes sense that Athena in
Starks won, but I didn't think it was particularly good.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Is this the match where they took out Tony Storm?
Had her tone totally vulnerable? Were late to believe that
this contract that Athenas holding is the ae W version
of money in the bank, and well Tony is laying there, beaten, vulnerable.

(53:28):
Athena cut the promo that said I will cash in,
I will take the title from you soon. Are you
talking about that? That made no sense.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I believe that was two weeks ago when she beat
Billy Starks, when Tony beat Billy Starks, and.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Then it just happened this week too, where she later
left out, left Tony laid out.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Tony got pinned.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I don't I had to go back. I don't remember
her being laid out.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I thought she was vulnerable at the end, and Athena
could have cashed in either way. I feel like they've
don't have a direction of what that contract is actually
to mean, and they have a storyline that they're working towards,
but it doesn't it doesn't play out right. It feels like,
as you said, even it was two weeks ago, Athenas

(54:15):
already had the opportunity to cash in on a vulnerable
Tony storm. It should have been easier than this. Look
at how easy seth Rollins made it. They're beaten their
vulnerable cash and take the belt.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I don't think that's the way that that contract work.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I think it's you have to demand ahead of time.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I think I don't see.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
This is where neither one of us get it. That's
the problem.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Maybe that's the part of the surprise. You don't know. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
When Christian had one, it seemed like he just jumped
into a triple threat match.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Christians was different.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Oh see different, see I think.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, And I know, I know it's I'm getting I'm
getting a headache just trying to think how to explain.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
It's just Christians was different.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Okay, uh, Mark Brisco beats Ricochet. Ricochet needs to get
to the fucking gates of agony because they've done nothing
but bring him down.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Right, he was winning. How did getting Henchman actually make
him worse?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Exactly? I don't. I don't. I don't get that at all.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
It kind of pains me. I had big expectations. It's
not where I expected they would go.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
No, no, much like on Collision, I was not expecting
the thumbtacks to go into Kyle Fletcher's tights and then
into his scrotum.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
You know, Brodido, that hurts all of us sometime.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Fuck. Yeah, I'm not big on Brodido. I look, I'm
glad to see Brodie and Bandido get wins. Uh, Brodido,
I can't that. Is it safe to assume Buddy Matthews
just ain't coming back.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
His ankle is fucked and he's going home? Is it?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Because it seems to look fine whenever he's octagon side
at UFC events with his wife or girlfriend whatever they're
they're married now, I think, but they're married with Ree.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah, dude, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Pay attention to when he walked up, so.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Now I really again, walking in regular life versus having
wrestling matches are different. But yeah, I don't know that
he's still injured at this point.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I'm guessing he wants to go back to the E
and Tony is just gonna let him sit on the
sideline until that happens. That's just my best guess at
this point. But Brody gets work. That's happening. Tecla defeated Willow.

(56:34):
They beat down Willow and there's a triangle there that
also includes Bain and Ford. So is that a five
person group or a three person group?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't know. I don't honestly, I don't even care.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Do you care that Castor is apparently getting over with
the crowd and a face like okay, even though he's
still here's.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
The problem in this whole goddamn gimmick. They're both losers. No,
as this match went on, nobody could explain what the
fuck was about to happen, So hold on. If Castor
doesn't get pinned, that means he's no good. But when
he was laid out in twenty seconds and all the

(57:17):
other matches, he was no good.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Ah, because you have to survive five with the best
wrestler alive, not he survives five with any wrestler alive.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
So the match going five minutes in ruche being played
out to be an absolute dumb fuck. And look, I
gotta call it like I see it. I've critical of
WWE making punk look stupid. Hoop me up, Roman, Oh John,
let's shake hands. After that vicious attack by Rollins and crew,

(57:49):
boom nutshot, Like, even if you don't speak English, you
get that, Hey, I got five minutes here, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Why do you look surprised when the clock run?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Oh yeah, exactly incredibly dumb And.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
If your Castor, I mean, shouldn't there have been more
urgency on your part if you have to win, right,
I mean, I get it.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Hey, I'm not getting laid out in thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
This is great.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I do like the running. The running is good, trying
to outrun the clock is good.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
That being said, I did not see this getting more
over than Anthony Bowen's when when they split.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, was this always the intent? Or didn't maturate into
what we're seeing?

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Like?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Do you think they always from the bow inside, thought
that he would be annoying and awkward and we'd have
to mature him into being a weak version of Ricochet.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
No, I think they totally miscalculated how the fans are
going to react to Bowens. The fact that Bowens apparently
has no charisma, which is fine, but when everything else

(59:15):
isn't connecting. Look, so even if you think Castor sucks,
you got to chuckle when he when he gets the longest,
most awkward chant ever going, and the fans actually chant
he's got charisma. Yeah, I don't think they anticipated this
flopping like this. Speaking of Bowens, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
We will see, because they do keep putting it out
there each and every week. I thought we might get
a uniting of them. I'm not sure where we're going
for each one.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Ah. So, by the way, Broddo not the worst name
for a team.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Whi's one is the worst name?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Skyflight?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Skyflight is not great sky.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I don't mind the pairing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
That's stupid skyflight. Yeah that they just laughed their names together. Yeah,
what do you call jet speed and ar Fox? Are
we going ar jet speed fox jet speed? It's gonna
be a bad name. I'm just preemptively wondering.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I don't know. Uh, Fletcher and Chicago Street Fight,
Fletcher and Dustin. Damn, I'm just watching it. I'm like,
holy shit, Like I'm not I'm just observing. I'm not
knocking it. Whatever. Tony Kahan is well aware when people
complain about blood weapons, whatever, whatever, and if he feels

(01:00:50):
like it's right to do it, he does not give
a fuck what anybody thinks. That. That was all I
could think about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
While I was watching this, and I actually I kind
of admire it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
There was a lot of gratuitous violence. The thumb tacks glug.
You mentioned the uh the iron claw with the glove
full attacks earlier. Poor Kyle Fletcher scrowed him if he
has one or had one? Yeah, that was uh I

(01:01:23):
can't if it's not your thing, I get it, and
you're not gonna like it, and I'm cool with that.
I don't have a problem with stuff like that. For
the most part, I didn't need the I don't know how.
Maybe this is why AW needs a damn unscripted show
or or whatever so you can figure out how they
did the stabbing Dustin in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
The leg with the with the screwdriver.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Oh, that looks like a big ass board or or foam,
and I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
It was everything that a Chicago street fight should be
and then some I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And we get the long long road to Kyle Fletcher
is now a solo champion and I'm sorry Dustin, but
we can finally do something with the TNT title on
which Daniel Garcia or Adam Cole were able to do.
No hate to Dustin with his short reign.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I want to be careful here because just this past
Sunday we got bit by assuming an injury was legit.
But I'm assuming Dustin Rose's injuries and he's gonna have
to take time off, I'm gonna assume that's legit, and
that played a role in the title change here. Otherwise,
I know you had to do a lot of switch

(01:02:42):
in and around at all in but you just have
Kyle Fletcher win there, rather than have Dustin win it
and two weeks later he loses it. Maybe I'm wrong
on that, but I have to assume that. I think
eventually it was gonna be Fletchers anyway. But we're not

(01:03:06):
for Dustin's injuries. I think he wins here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
What's the injuries going on with him? Was it the
knee or is there some knee something?

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I don't know. He's got to have surgery though, And yeah,
again I guess I don't know. It says that Seth
Rollins has ruined it for everybody. I don't believe anything anymore, exactly,
I can't. I ain't one hundred percent convinced. Well, I
ain't going to say that, because that's how funny I
was gonna say. There's been tragedy in the wrestling world
in a couple of weeks. I ain't even one hundred
percent sure how much of that's legit anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Fuck you, Seth Rawlins. You've ruined it for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Are you into the Americano family, the White now the thrace.
Americanos appeared. We had on Monday night raw and unless
I had one too many, that case a not Americanos.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I think he's just so fast that you assumed there
had to be more than one Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
They were into from clothes, man, they were in different clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That's how fast he was. Dude, there's only one fucking
spider man. I've seen one hundred damn memes of five
spider men pointing at each other. All right, So I
don't care what you saw with your eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I know what I know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Okay, all right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, I don't got a mischag gable totally unrelated to
what you were bringing up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
But oh, you mean the guy that is so concussed
that he thought he got his first minutet WrestleMania in
his past here, the poor guy wasn't even on the card.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
I know, I know it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Look, Oh, it's a rough business man injuries traveling all around.
Am I at WrestleMania? Am I in Poughkeepsie, New York?
I don't funk. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
That shows you know the caring of that company, oh,
employees or the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
I don't even want to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
What else you got, Micah, I don't know what else
did we have going on? Uh Ocatta is gonna face Swerve,
So I can't wait for that. That's gonna be amazing.
I'm really looking forward to that. Also, I was really
intrigued by the way Don Kallas does not like Prince Nana.
That's technically I don't think Don Kallis likes much anybody.

(01:05:28):
He likes the people are making money.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
He could buy into Nanas Coffee Company and it makes
some money if you really wanted to. Yeah, I mean,
if Nana was willing. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
They don't like each other, that that's probably fair.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
So for forbidden door, you mentioned uh Okata and uswort trickling,
We've got that official. We've got uh Athlena and uh
and Tony store right, which is when Athena is doing
it title her cashing thing. I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I know it is confusing, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
The more I've thought about it is talked about it earlier,
I might be totally wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
It might be exactly like money in the bank.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I don't fucking know, dude, I swear if we go
back and look, though, Tony was vulnerable this week, and because.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
After she beat after Tony beat Billy Starks and they
had to beat down Athena. It was going to cash
it in then, and then she did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Yeah, so yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Know Tony Winsor stopped her from or whatever. Alex Winsor
stopped Athena from cashing in one week, she had the
opportunity the next week. I don't know what you're doing there.
We can call out what we like and what we
don't like. Damn you guys. I'm looking forward to Athena.
I did like her promo this past week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah. How much time do you think Kyle Flecker has
to take off due to the gratuitous thumb tacks to
the scrotum? That's the sort of sub Yeah, no, shit,
that's what Fletcher said, because I mean, I'm just thinking, now, look,

(01:07:10):
maybe I don't have the testicular fortitude of some but
if that were me, I just know I'm probably having
to retire at that point. I'm like the excruciating pain
of pulling all those thumbtacks out of my scroll them.
There's a decent chance that maybe one pierced just perfectly

(01:07:31):
and went straight scrolled them into the testicle, and the
testicle was pinned to the side of the scrotum or something,
and then you got to pull that back out too.
I mean, I'm speculating here, Mike. I'm not trying to
start any false rumors. I just purely speculating.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
You know, we both watched way too much American Dad.
I'm just thinking you remember that one or Roger.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Oh No, I lived.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I was the one of the bulls testicle that lived.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Yeah, sadly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Yeah, So Kyle Flescher might just come back stronger from
all this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
With I don't think you come back stronger from this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Can you imagine having to go to the back and
the trainer's checking you out, and you look, there are
a couple of these that are on the underside. I
missed someone. I can't get to them, can't. Can you
pull these stumb tacks out for me? Got suplex on them?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
So there might be some that crawled up a place too,
getting stabbed in another region.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yes, let us not forget all the normal places he
got stuck with tax when tax are introduced into him matter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
There are normal places get stuck with tacts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
But so if you're the trainer, you're the medical staff,
and he's like underside of the scotum here that there's
like three and that I can't get that. I need
you to pull the un Do you quit at that
point or are you like, well, it is my job.
I got gloves on. I've probably seen worse somewhere along
the way. And pull your bat wings up there, Kyle,

(01:08:59):
and let me get these tax out for you. I mean,
I don't I don't know, dude looking up in a
goddamn medical dictionary bat wings. I'm just saying, uh, that's
probably not there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
But a magnet help hurt this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It might help the medical person getting them out. I
don't know if I'm Kyle Fletcher if I want that happening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Though, kids don't be like Kyle Fletcher. Don't mess with
Dustin Rhoades in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Or if you're Kyle Fletcher, are you like you know, Lancer?
I'm sure I want a lot of Twitter Frances with
only one ball. Do we just cut away these areas
sew everything back up Whenever I got left, it will
be more than enough for pro wrestling some U. I mean,
maybe my ability to have children there is hampered, but uh,

(01:09:58):
for the purposes of my career, I also still be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
You said, Lance Armstrong, and I just thought lent Strong
or lent storm lant storm storm.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
No, no, no, no no. Although he and Jericho might
have been involved in a hardcore tag match where there
was dumb dad, and now they probably weren't. I probably
made that up. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Just thoughts and prayers to Kyle Fletcher and his testicles.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Hopefully there's some bluer skies for him out there on
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Nope, that was too easy, Michael. I will not go there.
I feel like the creativity would be lacking if I
took that low hanging fruit that's pierced with thumbtacks and hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
One day it can flourish and and grow again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
That's trumpatizing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
A w does, all right, So I'm not a doctor.
Let's hypothetically say one of those tacks did get more
than scrotum. Let's say it called testicle. Is if you

(01:11:10):
pull it out, rub a little peroxide, I dine on
it or whatever? Does that testicle? Is it no longer
viable at that point? Have you killed it? I mean,
I don't know. I imagine the pain's excruciating.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Dustin Rhodes is out there, saving the future for all
of us to stop there from being more little Kyle
Fletcher's running around that Don Cows wants to take advantage of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
And that's why Dustin Rhodes is my hero and I
hope he heals up quickly and comes back better than.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Ever on a real Does Ring of Honor just not
have tag matches or trios matches?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Now he's the whole damn division. Well that's a good question. Well,
and you had the van Erks were gone forever because
one of them was hurt, so you weren't even really
doing the trios al right, six man in Ring of
Honor trios and a w I apologies.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I know it's dumb, it's confusing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Uh, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
That does Sammy get to find a partner to do
the tag stuff with? Does Sammy step in a team
with van Erics?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
There's got to be another son of son in Texas
for Texas of Texas?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Yeah, Like, I'm sure on the aw roster.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
You strip them with the tag titles?

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Do you strap strip the six man tag?

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
It's all good questions.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
And can we stop calling Shane Tyler Promotions STP. I
heard it again. That's on my list with big Mommy cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Just don't do it. Do you get confused with the
fuel additive or Stone Temple pilots.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
It makes me feel bad because Stone Temple Pilot's the
only way we should go STP. And unless you're in
an auto shop, Richard.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Petty would like to have a word with you about
that man one two hundred NASCAR races and a goddamn
STP car.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
How did you feel about Bristol this past weekend with
the Reds and the Braves because you were the biggest
NASCAR slash Baseball fan that exact crossover ra that I know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
If only when you got on base you got to
get in a car. The rain and stuff hampered some things.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I saw a lot of complaints online.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I don't know. I didn't have a problem with it.
I don't know how much money they I'd have to
see how much money if it was worth it. I
know that they've done college football there and things like that.
I like doing different things, yeah whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I like sporting events and weird venues like that. But
it didn't seem like the right track because of them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
You know what I don't like, Micah, I'm taxing the scrotum.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
And if you guys don't like throwing shots to the scrotum.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
You are in our club.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Not a bullet club, but a no thumb tack in
the scrodon club. Good cup to being Kyle Fletcher not
allowed in this club. If you want to put your
application for this club, do so on X. You can
send yours to me at frankl Micah or the show.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
The show is at PW after Hours. You can get
me at Real Mike Carlisle. Look, if Fletcher doesn't want
pens in his scrotum anymore, he could be in the club.
We don't discriminate, but I'll give him the benefit of
the doubt. I don't think he was into that. I

(01:14:40):
don't think he wanted it to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
You know, I'm sure if it was WWE they take
us to the back and show us exactly when he
consented to allowing you to happen. But it's aw so
their reality show.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Paint on the damn show. It's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
We'll talk to you next week for another episode of
row Wrestling After Hours. Maybe thumb Tacks and the Scrotto
After Hours funk I Don't Know here on the After
Hours podcast network,