Ep 310: All the Latest From WWE, AEW And More

Episode 310: All the latest from the world of pro wrestling.













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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Pro Wrestling After Hours.
I'm Michael Carlisle, joined us always by Micah Frankele Micah
or shaking man.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Blooding guts from women at some point, like I feel
as confused saying that as Tony Schavanian.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Maybe that's why I'm shaking. All right, all right, I
can live there. I thought you would have gone shaking
Tiffany Shratton, Naya Jacks, the referee who's taken the heat
for that clusterfuck? Is somebody getting released? Is somebody getting
sent down? That was a nasty ending to that match

(00:44):
on SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Everyone, send down everyone associated with that match, Send them
all the way down to evolve.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well easy, Now, I don't know a shit that was ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It was that was bad At some point with the
camera angle right in your face, you have to have
the wherewithal to count the three, because, truth be told,
I heard the the misque before seeing it, and to
then know that all that happened was Tiffy went to
the top rope and did her Tiffy salt to get

(01:25):
the pinfall anyway, makes it that much less logical that
why didn't you count the three?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Seconds earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, this is the problem with trying to get people
who aren't wrestlers, trying to get gymnasts and things like
that to become wrestlers. You don't know what to do
when stuff goes wrong. So if you've seen it, or
if you haven't seen it and still don't know exactly

(01:56):
what happened. So car Gill had Nia, Jack's penned and
Tiffy was late to break it up, so Nya kicked out.
Then she laid there for Tiffy, which was supposed to
be the original ending, and the referee stopped to count.

(02:17):
There was no kickout. Referee stopped it too, so now
it's a complete cluster and it's just if you have
more experienced people in there, they can come up with
the creative way to kind of cover it. But yeah,
it was just ugly and it stood out like a

(02:38):
sort of stuff. The match itself wasn't terrible, but I
don't think it was anything special either. It was just
okay for what it was, but that ending just like
ruined it and just really it made everything look terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh you mean everything wasn't that ugly.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Besides, see see Apple is coming after your ass man.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I wish the apple was coming at me. That might
have been the better read to have been spelled, instead
of Jade throwing her face at the steps or Naya.
I mean, there wasn't just a a miscommunication at the ending.
There was a brutally big miss queue in the middle
of the match, and I guess I get to ask

(03:26):
this from this. So were we just putting it on
the ref? Did the ref missed the pitfall? Was the
ref not hip to the finish? Because the ref stops
counting seconds later, Naya has to act like she kind
of kicked out. We do get the finish, so the
ref wasn't hit, I said, the finishes what we're.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
To believe, Well, if you want to blame the ref,
you blame the ref for not continuing to count regardless
of what you thought was supposed to happen. Uh. No,
things get wonky, And again I'm not blamed. I'm not
blaming anybody here because I don't know other than everybody,
because I don't know exactly who should have done what.
But Tiffy was late to break up the pinfall, so

(04:04):
Nya kicks out to keep the match going and then
laid there for Tiffy who was supposed to pin Nya originally,
and I guess the ref thought maybe they were going
to do something else to cover for the botch, so
that's why the ref stopped counting. I don't know, but

(04:25):
it just it looked bad. You brought up the cargo
getting busted open on the steps. I could chalk that
up to sometimes shit just happens, we see it, whether
it's a women's match a men's match. Sometimes things just happen.
But when you add that into what happened at the end,

(04:45):
it does get really easy to pile on even more
so I could give you that one as well, but
I don't think this was the way WWE wanted SmackDown
to be going off the air. This absolute cluster of
a finish.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
By far the match for the women from WWE's perspective,
with the most implications of the entire week, the biggest
match for women in WWE of the week, and it
was by far the worst match that we saw. No

(05:25):
appreciation for those women, and I would have much better
feelings again about Tiffy and Jade if they were in NXT.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I think Tiffy is fine. It's one on one situations
and with someone who could hold up there into the deal.
But it's been highlighted in other matches. It's been highlighted,
and I didn't necessarily want to start the show just
craping all over these three women. I did want to
crap on the finish, but I don't think she's ready

(05:55):
for the role that she's in. I think at some
point in time, and maybe now at the time, but
at some point in time it's been over a year.
Now you've got a question. Was luring Jade Cargill away
from AEW really worth it? Eh? And I like her personally,

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but at some point in time, there's a lot of
wonky stuff that happens during Naya Jack's matches. Sometimes it
is her fault, sometimes it's not. I think she probably
takes a little more heat than she deserves at times.
But you also get to a point where you can't
keep ignoring it either. Why does this keep happening? And

(06:35):
I'm not saying this was her fault either, but it
was damn sure somebody's fault. And I think you could
make an argument with all three of these women that
things haven't really gone the way wwe would have liked
for them. So it does get easier to maybe blame
everybody or pin all the blame on whicheverone's really in

(06:56):
the doghouse. I don't know. I just know this was
an absolute cluster bleep of a finish.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Having the three of them intermingled has been a consistent
cluster beat bleep, bleep, bleat bleat. Excuse me, I got
like caught up there, like the DJ let the records gip.
But it's totally been a cluster the entire time and
it hasn't went away, and only thankfully because we have

(07:25):
Crown Jewel coming up, do we get this diversion of
Stephanie van Kerr into Tiffy's life, which refreshing for the
rest of us because I couldn't cluster much more of
this bleep.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's it's rough, man. Uh. And look, I enjoyed SmackDown
this week, but you bring up, hey, what'd you think
SmackDown the first thing you think of set finish, right,
because that was basically the last thing we saw. I
think it. Look, I don't want to overstate it, but
at the same time, I think it ruined. While it

(07:59):
was pretty damn good show overall, and that's the lasting
taste in your mouth. And wwe never wants.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
That bad taste in the mouth, bad with the palette.
Need a plallette, reflesher, a palette cleanser. Let's get a
little happier, Let's get it a little nicer, but let's
still smack it.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
What was your favorite part from SmackDown? Because I got
a favorite part.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh it was it was Cody and Paul Hayman at
the start of the show. Oh okay, nice for me.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Why let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Uh, Well, first of all, Paul Hayman is a genius,
plain and simple. There's sometimes when Cody's on my screen,
I kind of laye over because I'm just like, all right,
I've seen this promo. Oh I don't know one hundred
times now, but it seems different when when Hayman's out there,

(08:49):
Cody seems a little more on his game. So I
enjoyed that you had Bronson reed and bron Breaker out
and all that Randy Orton shows up. That was a
good way to start the show. Got to say, the
highlight of a night for me.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Taking it in a different direction, Sammy's Ain versus Javon Evans.
You know, I love me some springy, bouncy dynamic aerial artistry.
Love a guy that throws out eight hundred variations of
a cutter. He can jump over the ropes, I mean,
soar through the sky. And now that he's finally on

(09:31):
an appreciative level like getting a SmackDown where it actually matters.
Glad to see a cultivated talent that from a in
ring standpoint might be ready for this level. So seeing
Javon Evans get his introduction to the big stage against
Sammy's Ain in a really fun match that was the
highlight of the night for me.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well and smartly you put him in there with Sammy's Ain, who,
as I was talking earlier when we we talking aout
tivvy shrich a guy who can more than hold up
his end of the deal right and it's hard to
have a bad match with Sammy, and Evan certainly went
out and did his part as well. With the benefit
of hindsight, this one probably should have been your main event.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It was a solid match. I really liked it. In
the benefit of hindsight, you were exactly correct. And the
only other note that I have written down for the night,
and this is really simple, was Jacob fought two returned.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yes, which I think he's already gone again. Eh it happens.
I guess I think he'll be out.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Power Slap this weekend. I think he was a Raiders
mascot last weekend.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well you make the rounds? Why is we still doing
your other stuff?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
You know? So Jacob fought two Drew McIntyre. Do we
call it Drew McIntyre like like the springboard? Is he
just old reliable? What is he at this point?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Old reliable sounds good. Not that he's old per se,
but he's reliable. You can count on him. He's proven
that time and time again. So old reliable, old reliable.
Do we want to keep going on the the WWE theme?
Oh we can't. Well, or we'll skip around? What whatever
you want to do. I'm easy man, I'll just lay

(11:17):
here till the ref stops counting.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
See now, that would be nice if we could get
the quick pinfall and get right through it.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
But if we had the.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Long term storytelling Finally come around now and Edosky is
sighting with Ria Ripley, And the only thing that still
bothers me about this whole conundrum, besides, when did Edosky
find like a conscience? Was the fact that Rhea Ripley

(11:46):
stands by your side and reminds her every time.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
The minute you get that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Title, I'm coming after that. Ass Well, why not go
be friends with the Kabooki Warriors. That's say, they'll just
stand there with you.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I don't don't, no, man, I don't know. Ria should
just beat the hell out of all of them and
then demand your title match. We don't need Ria and
Sky versus the Kabuki Warriors. We just don't need this.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Does this mean the Kabuki Warriors have to win so
that we make Kyrie and Osca look relevant? Does Edo
turn on Ria because I'm onto something and we need
this to make sense?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Or is this leading to.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Some weird what we I guess would call a mega
tag match if Charlotte and Alexa going against Ria and
Itto because they end up becoming mega tag team powers
after this and they become closer together. I'm putting some
deep thought and giving you three options creatively, Which way

(12:54):
are you least scared of them going? Because you don't
look like you're excited by any of the three.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
The one, the option I'm least scared of is the
painfully obvious one, and it's probably the one they're gonna
do eto Sky turns on Rhea Ripley, but I think
that's too eas I don't like either of the other
options though, So yeah, I don't know, man, I don't

(13:24):
remember when Ria Ripley was a badass, you know, kind
of like Becky Lynch before her. And now you see
Becky Lynch now a year from now, Rhea Ripley's going
to be twenty twenty five Becky Lynch. And that's not
a compliment.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Rieon's like I had a break free of the judgment
day to become my top Ripley. Itto, you can fly
in the sky if you don't kabuki anymore, you can
do it too, take it from me. I don't know
where this story is going, but they've went on it
very long. And does the blue miss burn not burn?

(14:02):
Both people end up like it burns and it rolls
around and they hurt, but then they're still covered in
it ten minutes later, like they're fine.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think the burn wears off. It wears off. It
starts out really painful, and then a combination of you
get used to it, Micah, the potency of it starts
to be nullified, and the pain goes away becomes a
little more tolerable. I don't know, man, poor acting, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Did you like the Guerrero Flair special? Yes? And would?
It just makes me all the more excited for the
inevitable face turn for Dominic Mysterio. It's going to happen.
Don't make that face. It is going to happen, and
it's going to be huge.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I just don't get the dumba stereo thing, man. I Also,
there was a perplexing part to me during Monday Night
Raw where crowd vehemently cheers for dom Maasterio. They're into
that dude, like Noah, Yes, they love some dirty sand chez.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
But then his his Micah doesn't like the occasional dirty
sand chez. I mean, come on, call him Mochacho Sosio.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
But why does he get cheered for doing the very
same thing everyone in his faction gets booed for. Like,
there was a lot of booing towards Rocal and Rock
Sand for cheating, and I'm like, well, literally one segment
before you heralded the cheating of their colleague. It's not
even like we're talking about somebody from a different faction.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Do you want the cold hard truth.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, we could just say they matter like they like
him and they don't. But I'd like a little deeper
thought from that.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay, Dominic Mysterio is going to He's already a star.
He's going to be a megastar, and the fans know it.
The others, Eh, this sounds callous and but whatever, they
don't matter that that's the big difference. But but no,
the fans care about Dominic Mysterio. They love Dominic Mysterio

(16:11):
when he turns, and he will maybe not this week,
maybe not next week, maybe not next month. It will happen.
It is going to be.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
When did it go from piped in crowd noise to
authentic love from the audience Because I've continued to just
be on my same level of It's.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
So funny you asked that question, Mikah, because if I'm
being honest, I'm not one hundred percent that there's not
some piped in crowd cheers. Now, I'm not saying there is,
but it wouldn't surprise me. I just think over time,
people see, look, all right, he comes in, he's Ray Mysterios. Son.

(16:54):
You question like you do with a lot of second
generation wrestlers until they prove otherwise. Do they really half talent?
Is he only here because of his dad? Look at him.
He doesn't look like a wrestler. He's skinny, he's lanky. Well,
that's changed over time. You can tell he cares about
the craft. He's put in the work, he's good in

(17:16):
the ring, and over time the fans came to appreciate
him where you realize he's not an EPO baby. So
that's there's probably more to it than that. The being
a ladies man and being married, but having a mommy
and a girlfriend and a chick on the side and
another chick on all this that play all certainly all

(17:36):
that plays into it as well for some of the fans.
But the biggest thing to me is people realize he belongs.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Okay, all right, I I just my feelings have have
not really changed about him. I don't think he needs
to be on NXT. He's fine on the main roster.
I just constantly question why he's such a focal point
compared to other talents.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Are you jealous? I'm not jealous, that's not the right word.
Are you bugged that he gets featured more than say
a Finn Balor.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Finn Balor, l A Knight, AJ Styles, there's quite I
could probably if we wanted to go up and down
the WWE roster, but I might throw quite a few
people out there, depending on you know who they are.
He just he is constantly a fixture of Monday Night Raw,
where mother freaking Gunther was like a world champion and

(18:38):
did not have the camera time that Dom Mysterio did.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
He's not nearly as charismatic either. I think that's actually
by design and not as a slight to to gun through.
But I hear you, by the way, didn't La Night
beat Kofe Kingston on rall this week? Didn't I see
AJ Styles and aj Lee beat us some grande Americano ripoffs?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
No, you did not see aj Lee A.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I said, Oh, I'm sorry, Dragonly AJ Styles and dragon Ly. Yeah,
you're right, I'm bad. I think you did that last week.
I did it this week.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm like you would have seen seeing punk, seeing punk
coming out kicking everybody's ass. Yeah, sorry, that brought me
so up. I'm bad.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
All those guys that haven't been featured for months that
I now realize are back. Yeah, those were the people,
but no, seriously enjoyed all of those matches. The the
morning of Waller and their their title reign l A
night getting some love. Yes, totally enjoyed all of that.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
A match that stood out for me on the night where.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Finally, when we get seth Rawlins versus Cody Rhoades on
the mic, is when it drew me into the story.
I can love Hayman versus Roads on the mic, but
there's just something about seeing Rawlins against Rhodes that draws
me in more to their rivalry, more than there's so

(20:09):
much story and history of Hayman and Rhoads. It doesn't
draw me into Rawlins and Roads. It draws me kind
of in a Hayman has screwed over Roads so many times.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I just assumed this eventually leads to to Brock and
Cody Again. Maybe it's not respectful to say, but but
it feels like Seth is a placeholder right now, and
I realize he's one of the world champions or heavyweight chair.
I forget which belt he has, which one Cody has, whatever,
You get the point. But yeah, I mean, I hear you,
but I'm already looking ahead to Cody Brock.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, I uh don't look ahead to anything that other
guy does. Seth Rawlins has been the most entertaining person
pound for pound on Monday Night Raw for me for
quite a few weeks. When he's there. I think it's better.
His promos have been on point, the crowd has been
giving him the reactions that I think they want in

(21:09):
the back and now drawing out this obsessive component. You
saw the fear that the obsession struck into Paul Hayman
and seeing how maybe seth Rawlins isn't all there intrigued
to see how this component goes as I'm I'm sure
one day bron Breaker is going to headline five WrestleManias

(21:31):
in a row or whatever they keep fucking teasing us.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Ah, but I'm not going to be able.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
To get past the part of him completely looking like
a puts every five minutes in a tag team match
with Bronson Raid. It's still doing a little bit of
an up down for me on how strong those two
guys look compared to you know, corporate ministry or corporate
seth Rawlins. When he had two Lackey's, those little midgetudes

(21:58):
that were insignificant, They're.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Not that bad but I doesn't feel like they're that
bad ass these two.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
The fifty to fifty booking is just a little weird
for me on trying to build Braun and Braun while
still keeping the USOS as strong as ever, and sometimes
they take out Roman reigns and sometimes he takes.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
It out on that ass, which is why this needed
to be a one on one match up or a
six man and they each get somebody to team with
them every week in including PL's. It seems like we're
getting some form of Bronson Reed and bron Breaker versus
the USOS. Yeah, it's a little.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Old on me by now, but now it was a
Tornado match, and shit on me early didn't even notice
that's all. Like halfway through the match, I'm like, why
is nobody tagging Oh.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tornado match, which is basically what everything
involving Paul Hayman's the vision that's them, right, the vision
I forget.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
For the bloodline, it doesn't matter, both groups are interchangeable.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Then they both basically been in a.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Tornado matches their whole existence.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
But yeah, I mean that's the whole point, right, is
to have that, you know, every SETH match Bronson and
and uh Bron come out on pl match, come out
while the referee is down, and spend five six minutes
and they're just beating the hell out of everybody, and
finally the referee wakes up. And what I mean it's

(23:17):
I wasn't surprised we had the Tornado tag match. Put
it that way.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
When did Jimmy USO get confused that the family were
the good guys, that they're the ones that just help
everybody out. They're the fucking Avengers broke, They're just here
to lend it, helping him. They love everybody. I mean,
this shit is about the blood line? Why why is
Jay gotta keep telling him? At Roum and told him
a Jay told him that shit. Sammy will tell you
that it is about the blood line. We don't help

(23:42):
anybody that's not bloodline.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Let me tell you, Micah, because I can speak from
a little bit of experience on this, Jimmy's about to
be a papa That changes a man. Your perspective, change,
your priorities change. It's not about just going out and
beating the hell out of everybody. It's doing the right thing.
You mentioned the Avengers being an Avenger. If you will

(24:06):
standing up for what's right, setting a good example for
the little usso on the way in the womb if
you will. Yeah, having a kid changes a man, Micah.
I just like going to prison, change dom mystereo. The
real reason the fans like dom I digress on that
go ahead, and I.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Would expect as a father to be that. Jimmy, like
he's always done, would look up to his elders. You
know Roman who was on a billboard a long time
ago as Father of the Year with his daughter, and
Jay who's already been bringing his son down with his enters.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
He would look to those fathers and.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Ask them what is the best way to set up
a college fund and handle business to establish my child's future.
They're both laying the path right out for him. They're
already fathers. They should ask that device. I couldn't tell
him that advice. You might be able to give him
that advice. But see Roman and Jimmy are Roman and
j are right there for Jimmy to ask, and he's

(25:02):
not listening.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Again, priorities change. Look, you're not looking to set up
college funds. You want to pave the path for your
kid to follow in what you hope is the right direction.
But make his own choices yea. And Roman's not around
enough to fucking ask him for advice.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Anyway, you know, wait, making your own choices, that could
be it like sometimes the choices well you mentioned it earlier.
Now we have a J and Styles with Dragonly a
random tag team because LWO has disappeared. That choice is

(25:44):
eyebrow raising. But also even when you put on some masks,
maybe that doesn't done change your bait those Americans to be.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Good on the night. That was pretty good, Micah. I'm
gonna give you credit for that one. You're ruining the
good name of El Grande Americano here, people with Los
Grande's or what the freaking go Los Americanos Ravo and Chavo.
I'm not even actually sure what they were saying. Yeah,

(26:19):
I don't you know what the shitty thing is. If
AJ Styles wasn't about to fight John Cena at Crown Jewel,
Los Americanos probably win this match and AJ is probably
the one taking the pen.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Quite possibly. But AJ Styles is gonna go do Perth.
I believe Australia following up on the TKO deal and
attempt to beat up John.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Cena, which we did.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Got the official announcement December thirteenth, The Saturday Night's main
event in the nation's capital, Washington, DC, will be the
official and of this first John Cena retirements. Do Saudi
Arabia still exists and have their hand deep in WWE?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
This will be his only retirement tour. Do I really
think it's gonna be his last match? No? I think
he comes back now. Look, I take him at his
word that he's retiring, but you've seen Steve Austin come
back at WrestleMania's maybe it wasn't a match match. You've
seen Undertaker come back at WrestleManias. I think we see

(27:33):
Sena comeback. But as far as wrestling with any semi regularity,
I do believe this is the end for SINA.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I thought John Cena had already been retired for about
the last five years. Color me surprised that we have
no retirement tour come up because it felt like I
had done already, said Micahbyes. It was weird to now
introduce the new crop of kids to him. Well, six
seven eight year olds were out, three two one year
old when he.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Lef, Yeah, I'll give you another one to look forward
to AJ Style says, next year is it for him? Okay,
do we.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Wait a year or do we judge the WWE run now?
Not from a financial perspective, because we know he made
infinitely more money as a WWE performer, but artistically match quality.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
What did you think of.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Aj Styles going to WWE and what he was able
the niche he was able to carve out for himself
as a performer, because.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, yeah, well okay, to properly answer this question, we
got to have some context. What choices did aj Styles
have when he went to WWE Wrestling on the indies
in New Japan? Crawling back to TNA and agreeing to
take pennies on the dollar to the crappy deal you

(28:57):
had there before, or go to WWE. Those were basically
his choices. Remember this was PREAW so he made on
the right choice. Now, if timing works out a little
different between contract negotiations, would you have liked to have
seen him in AEW. I sure would have. I think

(29:21):
the match quality you're talking about, those five star caliber matches,
you'd have seen several of those in AEW. That's not
WWE's jam, as the kids like to say. I think so,
but I think he has fit in very nicely into
the WWE style, and I think it would be silly

(29:42):
to say AJ styles WWE run has been anything other
than very successful. Was it everything you wanted it to be?
Maybe maybe not? Later on, would you have liked to
have seen him elsewhere? Maybe maybe not. But I think
he made the right choice at the time, and he's
been very successful. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I started this off by saying financially, he obviously made
the right decision. He made a shit ton of money.
As watching him as a performer donning his merchandise, it's
been incredibly disappointing. I thought it's been incredibly underwhelming compared
to everything match quality, story quality, personality quality that we
got to see out of him from Impact from New Japan.

(30:26):
He fit in very nicely into being a cog in
the wheel from a guy that was a shining star
at one point. And the knock Amore match will always
stick out to me is something we got at WrestleMania
and looked a lot lower quality than we all expected
after the dynamics of what we had seen the two
of them pull off against each other at Wrestler Kingdom.

(30:46):
So AJ Styles WWE run. I think it will fall
short of landing him in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Oh, he's probably a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Quite possibly. But that's you know, that bar is quite low.
It seems like by now well it is.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I wouldn't have even brought it up to it, to
be honeste because the bar is that low. I look,
the man's got over a year left at least. The
match that I always think of first, WWE wise when
I think of styles, is he an Undertaker? And maybe
the cinematic movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I never even think of any of those when I
think about the word match because it's something outside with
that cinematic expect and it was of a high quality
and very good one. But yeah, I just don't even
think about those kind of matches. It Literally, while we
were talking about it, the only two things I could
think of for AJ style was Knockamora in the little

(31:45):
bit of the run with the Club where they did
the beat up John Cena bringing in the Undertaker. That
is a third story that was of high quality, but
not just expecting more with what they had in the
opportunity to use AJ styles.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
While we're on the ww side of things. Mike NXT's
Ridge Holland suffered an injury at a TNA taping this
past week in Edmonton, Alberta. He was wrestling Moose and
hurt his ankle. It is a Liz Frank injury. That is,
the joint is actually multiple joints between the bones and

(32:21):
the archs of the foot. You're looking if it's not
that bad, he's got have surgery. But if it's not
that bad, maybe back in six months. But you're probably
looking at a year or more for Ridge Holland. So
certainly a tough injury for him, and that's going to
shelve him for quite a while.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, that's a tough one to have happened to the foot,
especially for such a large individual.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. What else from the WWE side,
did you want to hit on? You like me to
update the Crown Jewel line up for you? I think
we just touched on every match Cody versus Seth SmackDown
a disputed champ Raw World Champion, just singles match, those
two titles aren't on the line. Stephanie Vacure versus Tiffany

(33:07):
Stratton's Stephanie the Raw Women's Champion, Tiff, the SmackDown Women's Champion,
Sena and Styles. I think John's dropping another one on
his retirement tour. I don't and riea Ripley Edosky versus
the Kabooki Warriors is the card so far.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Four matches all on tap. Wouldn't be surprised. Probably a
fifth one safe bet that will get a fifth match added.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
But I bet we don't get a sixth.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Probably not a sixth that that might be too much
of a palsa of wrestling.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Five seems to be a sweet spot for WWE pl
e's that aren't many. A Summer Slam Survivor Series.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Royal Rumble seems to be a sweet slot. Seems to
be successful. WWE audience seems to enjoy it. A nice, easy,
short night.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I guess be nice to see. I don't know. And
Icy title defense. I don't think we're gonna get it.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It'd be nice Icy Title, United States Title, Women's ICYE Title,
Women's United States Title, maybe the women's tag team titles.
You want to put like thirty belts out there.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
We could have like ten matches. Start bucking a card.
We can book a card.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Oh my god, I'm Tony Conning yet. Sorry, yeah, I
was about to go all woo and make like a
ten match car and actually put together a full pay
per view lineup.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
You don't do that anymore of WW my bad No. Look,
and that's flow. It works for them. It's not my preference,
but I'm not going to totally shit on it. I
mean that's what they do. You're looking at five maybe
six matches for these pls. By the way, that's also
basically what you're getting on Raw and SmackDown. So I
mean that's kind of their sweet spot. And look, whether

(34:49):
we like it or not, it's working for them. So
probably not gonna see Women's Tag, Women's ICEE, Women's US title,
or the men's ICEE in US titles on most of
these PLA. So yeah, tis what it's his Micah over
at AEW, I do want to tip the hat here

(35:09):
real quick. In a company that features, among others, the
Hurt Syndicate FTR, the Young Bucks, the Reunited, Adam Copeland
and Christian all these great tag teams, your Tag Team
Champions or Bandido and Brody King Brodido. They defended their

(35:34):
titles on Dynamite this week against the Gates of Agony.
I bring this up because, hey, this is a really
good match. But in a company with all this depth
in the tag team division, Brodido's your tag team champions
and Gates of Agony more than proved that they belong

(35:55):
on Wednesday Night. This was a phenomenal match. I realized
for a lot of people tag team wrestling it in
their thing, and that's fine. It does hold a soft
spot in my heart. But in a loaded ass tag
team division, it's not the usual suspects that are carrying
the weight. That was the point I was trying to make.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh no, it's good to see where they've come from.
I still think that there's I almost believe in WWE
you can never move too slow. I feel like there
is a little bit of still like slow awkwardness of
what am I supposed to be doing, where like you
can feel the gears are turning in some of the
things that Total Leona is doing. So I don't think

(36:33):
he's fully there yet, but no, they are far from
being bottom of the barrel, don't deserve to be in
the ring.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
It does speak to the depth.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I wonder, and I wonder in a sad way if
some of the success of Brodino is a Tony Kahan
middle finger to Alistair Black if he's saying, hey, if
you would have stayed as Melchi, there would have been
fruit to bear, but you're not here. So now we're
pushing Brody in a way, not because Brody doesn't deserve it,

(37:04):
but maybe a little spike fuel too in that in
that gasoline mixture from Tony Kahn. But I do like
where we see it out of the Broddo tag team,
how they're coming together, and as you said, how Ga
looked on the level.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
That's an interesting thing you just proposed there, Micah. It's
certainly possible, But I don't think that this is a
big f you to Alistair Black. It could be, I
don't think it is. I I think you would have
seen them more in the tree, and I realized Buddy's
been hurt anyway, So even if Alista stays around, I

(37:43):
think they would have been stuck where they were at.
Maybe you see more Brody singles matches with Alistair at
ringside or Malachi at ringside. I don't know that, but
I don't know. Maybe there always will.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Stick out a I was Malachi so underused in the
AEW umbrella whether it was the singles or whatnot, it
felt like he could have been more than just the
leader of a really good trios team. But I'm glad
to see where Brody is going, like you said, and
it's amazing that even without winning, with just causing chaos,

(38:20):
how Goa has elevated to that same level of being
a legit contender ricochet Man.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
And look, I'm not even going to fault WWE for
not using him correctly, although I think he could have
been used differently. I think he had to leave there
to be the character he is now, and where he
had to go back one day, maybe he'd be a

(38:47):
little more of this character. But he has certainly embraced
his new opportunities in aew and has shown what he's
made of.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
But put it that way, right, because you show up
to work every day, you show you truely want to
be there, You put in the effort all the time,
and the fruits of the labor will be shown. Just
depends which company wants to acknowledge what you're doing and
give you those opportunities.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
All right now, I'm going to pause the aw love
fest and probably raise the ire of you a little bit, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh, is this where you're going to bring up that
you and several of the people on the text chain
need to update the prescription because I got some disagreement
on the You look like Kyle Fletcher train no hell
to talking to me. Well, well we're not even getting there, okay,
all right, No I digress.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
No, Lee Moriority, who I think?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
All right?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
We can all agree. He's wrestling. It's fine, should never
be on my TV again, and should certainly not be
wrestling for an aw title on my TV ever again.
The roh sure title thing, all right, that's fine, Lee
Moriarty on TV is a black hole of charisma. It's

(40:08):
like where charisma goes and gets sucked away, never to
be seen again. The very first match in a long time,
certainly since he regained the title of hanging Man Adam
Pages that I can recall that I just did not
care about, did absolutely nothing for me. If you want
to tell me he can chain wrestle and all that
happy shit, that's fine. The dude has no charisma whatsoever.

(40:32):
It should never be on my TV again. I said it.
Hate me if you want to hate me, agree if
you want to agree. I don't care. Lee Moriorty should
never be on TV again.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
That was a rough one for Lee Moriarty. I understand
why he was given the opportunity, hometown and all, because
we've seen other promotions do the same thing. You can
understand it. Nothing you said is wrong, not my cup
of tea. There's a reason why he has Shane Taylor
as a mouthpiece, and I don't know why they didn't

(41:07):
use the mouthpiece for the promo and dare let Lee
Moriarty talk And like you said, not to mention, we
already kind of knew the outcome going in. But if
you wanted to try to make this special, you needed
to reduce the opponent for Lee Moriarty and maybe Kurtailor
it's somebody that can work his style a little more

(41:31):
so it's not so obviously bad.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah. Uh much lesser complaint, but still a valid one,
I think. Yeah, have the FTR come out for a promo. Uh,
Willow comes out, slaps Stokely, Speedball, Mike Bailey, Kevin Knight
come in even the odds. All right, I'm cool with
all that. I get that Adam Coplands takes time off

(41:55):
doing some TV some acting, but Christian Cage doesn't come out.
I mean, it's like, so Speedball, Mike Bailey and Kevin
eight are out there fighting for the honor of cop
and Christian.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Really, I think that Speedball or jet Speed excuse me,
they are honorary conglomerators, and some conglomerators just get in
involved when another one goes, and they were just the
conglomerators to follow Willow. Is kind of what I was
getting from that. Christian, Well, he is a father. He

(42:35):
is not the savior of damsels in distress. He's not
gonna run out there to be the hero for Willow.
He operates on his own time.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
So you're telling me that it's out of the realm
of possibility that perhaps, oh, I don't know, Willow could
use a father figure.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
She may need a father, but Christian doesn't look to
be taking applications for new orphans at the time.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I bet Willow gets a mama, uh Beth, whatever we're
gonna call it, Copeland, I guess uh don't be surprised
to see them in the AW Women's Tag Team Tournament.
One other complaint, This might be my last complaint. I'm
not sure. All right, Well, let's set aside the fact
that I sure thought we were getting Jurassic Express on Dynamite,

(43:28):
and we didn't. We did get the return of Orange Cassidy.
He brought up the conglomeration. We don't even get the
fucking cool Orange Cassidy intro music. We get the shitty one.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Come the fuck on, Orange likes what Orange likes and
it's Orange whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
It ain't about him, it's about the fan. You brought
back the fucking jungle boy shit, bring back the goddamn
Jefferson starship.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, the first music worked out so much better with him.
The second one just doesn't hit the same.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
It really doesn't, no, in all, seriously, it just does it.
That place would have went bat shit with with Jane
and it didn't go bad shit with I don't even
is it the Pixies?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Is that? Who?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah? Whoever it is. I mean it's fine, So I
got I'm not hating on the song. That's just not
the Arnge Cassidy the fans want to see.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Does nothing for me. Were we really gonna get away
from FTR and stokely without you commenting at all on
the promo? I thought you'd have a little more detail
of your affection for the promo I was. I was
quite cringed by most of what they said. The theory
all made a lot of sense here.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Okay, Stokely aside, who I think is incredible on the mic.
When FTR have the mic, all I think about is
Dax shut up and let Cash talk. Shut up, let
Cas because Cash is actually pretty good on the mic.
I just don't think Dax is, which is fine. He's

(45:05):
a hell of a worker. They don't both need to
be great talkers. But I thought to your point that
you did get a little more of Cash a little
less of Dax, and I was fine with that. And
fucking Stokely could go out there and give me a
recipe for French onion soup and I'd be hanging on
every word. So yes, I enjoyed the promo.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
He could tell you how to make French onion soup.
He just still can't tell you how to get a hoe.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Well, look, we all have our flaws, Micah. Maybe the
man could read recipes out of the Betty Crocker cookbook.
That doesn't mean he knows how to get hoes, all right,
I mean we're all flawed in our own way.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Copeland's gone. You bring up Christian and so did Nick Wayne.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
He did. They also brought up the dinosaur. Doesn't seem
to be a lingering issue for them. Mama Wayne's light,
move on. It's okay. So obviously we're going back to
Nick Wayne and Kip Saban now for Christian, which is fine.
There's unfinished business there. But Christian can't do this alone.
Either Cope's got to come back or Christian's gonna need

(46:16):
a son a daughter, maybe both, because you got Mama
Wayne there. I don't know, but he's gonna need a
little help there.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Cope told Christian when he was leaving, you still have family.
We can think of that as Cope and Beth. Or
does the boy and his dinosaur reunite there?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Father figure?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Do we get a mac Perry and Christian teaming up
against Nick and Kip if.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
We ain't getting Marcos Stunt back, then yes, Christian is
an okay plan. B B. I'm kidding, of course. Look,
we're not getting the Jurassic Express of old with I
don't think with loincloth, jungle Boy and all that, it's
going to be somewhat modified. So the Marco Stunt slot

(47:12):
could be modified as well. And yes, you do have
that history with Christian and Lucasaurus and Jungle Boy. So yes,
that would make sense. Obviously, Lucasaurus's gonna have some unfinished
business with Nick Wayne and company. Jack Perry, now that
he's got his dinosaur back, he's gonna want to take

(47:34):
up that cause as well. I think that actually makes
a lot of sense. And then when Cope does come
back to further cement, Jack Perry is different now and
he's a made man by associations, so is Luciasaurus. Cope
comes into that mix as well, and you've got that
whole dysfunctional family, and.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Eventually we get back to Coping Christian versus FTU. Probably
somewhere down the road. Does the matriarchy I guess is
what it is now, or the nicki archy, Wayne archy,
I'm not sure what they call that trio? Does it
become a quartet? Do you think because Christian will have
a boy and his dinosaur that we could see a

(48:17):
third henchman? They are quite slim. Could there be some
muscle added maybe to the matriarchy?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I don't know what muscle you're adding, because anybody that
makes sense is already in the don Kallis family. Do
you know what that is a damn good point. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
If you try to take somebody maybe from the frat house,
you take one of those, got hope add another body?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
All right, what's worse taking somebody from the frat house
or or Lee Moriarty.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I might roll my my diace on Cole Carter and
try that for a few minutes first. Maybe he might
have a little more style that fits in with the
other two.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Maybe maybe maybe maybe, Ah, what the hell else do
we have on Dynamite?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Well, we had stat Lander and Shiri Kawa in your
main event.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Oh. If you guys are wondering, it's Copeland has gone
to be Zeus for the final season of the Percy
Jackson series on Disney Plus. Do we have a name
yet for the project that MJF who is going to
search for his nasty soul? Where he is going what
he is doing with his time away from aew this

(49:28):
time as he tries to be many Roman reigns, he
will find whatever project to not wrestle.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Well, hold on, first of all, let's not distort this.
Tony Kahan doesn't have a problem with this, otherwise he
put a stop to it. Now, I do not know
what MJF is going off to do. But well, a,
he's probably going in all serieses. He's probably finally going
on his honeymoon. But I do believe there's a movie
project that he is working on.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yes, he is just the one guy not in the
street Fighter movie that's taking time off right now, it
would seem.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, I actually I do know. Uh, Violent Night two,
which of course will be a sequel to Violent Night.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I have no idea Amazon Prime, do we know where
you find a Violent Night?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I don't. Violent Night was. Uh, you'll remember this when
I describe it. You can go online and find the
trailer to the original. Uh Demonic santath Loss.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
So uh MJF apparently has a role in Violent Night too.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
So that's gonna be some violence, like the kind of
violence get from the Death Riders each night. Ah, yes, yes, yes,
unless they're intimidated by a flame thrower, which you got
me on that one.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
You don't want to get burned? No, I would definitely
quit if I got burned. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Oh, that's that's what we're leading to at World's end,
right Wait, Wrestle Dream.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Dream Yeah yeah, you had you to interaction with Statlander
well before and after. Statlander seems like she is an
unwilling participant in this whole death Writer's thing. I bet
at the end of the day she ain't all that unwilling.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I don't know she closed line Wheeler when she had
the opportunity to align.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Who the fuck hasn't closed line Wheeler? You to Micah?
Everybody beats the shit out fucking Tony Shiavanni before the
show was in the back beating the hell out of
Wheeler you to just because he's like, well, goddamn, everybody
else does it, I want to do it too. If
we jumped to collision.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Do you not feel that there is at least an
involvement in Wheeler Uda I seriously for his mic scales.
I'm not saying he's dominaster her or anything, but it
seems like the guy has has found a niche as
a character, taking the mic and utilizing that aspect as
a member of the Deaf Writers, where Pac Claudio Daniel

(52:15):
Garcia might be a little more suited to be the
entring operators.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
No, look, DA can can work. But yeah, in all seriousness,
and yeah, he's kind of the facto. All right, we
got to lose here, Yuda. Guess what you're looking up
at the lights, buddy. But in all seriousness, yes, I
like DA's role in this group, and with Daniel Garcia joining,
I think it opens up Dah a little more to

(52:40):
be the mouthpiece, the guy at ringside and getting beat
up that way. In all seriousness, I like what they're
doing with Udah. But I wasn't that surprised when stat
Lander clotheslined in, because hell, I've seen everybody else on
the roster do it. Why shouldn't she.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
She wasn't wearing black, she was wearing purple. She smiley
and happy to be around Harley Cameron. And that's the
way it played out for them to run off. And
now we still get a lot more death writers because
they're intermingled with the trio's titles that look like in
some sort where I Shabata get injured from the same

(53:18):
shit that Daddy Magic shook off to go do a
promo online.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I don't know how. No, he got hurt. He got
hurt a couple of weeks ago. I don't know exactly how.
But Hook gets hurt and immediately the ops replace him
with Powerhouse Hobbs Shabata gets hurt and they're like, ah,
fuck it, We'll just wait for you to get back.
In the meantime, we'll have Hangman team up with us.
It'll be fine, no where. If I'm hooked. That pisses

(53:45):
me the fuck off. I'm just saying that's a flaw
in the logic of the storytelling, which you did a
pretty good job of putting a bow on when Hook
came back. Hey, you got hurt, it's next manned up.
I hate it. You guys did me wrong, but I
get it all right. Well, then you fucking turn around.
Oh Porsche body get better soon, buddy, we'll be here
waiting for you. Didn't like that at all.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No, that's horrible on Tony Kahan's part, when he is
the last sorry rider to run himself into that kind
of head on conflict. It made no sense. You should
have just brought Hook right back into the right unless.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You did that on purpose to raise the ire of
Hook and tease something with Hook and Kingston versus the ops.
Maybe Hook, Kingston and someone else versus all three. If
that's why you're doing it, all right, I got it.
But assuming that's not the case, and with the way
everybody's turning lately, I don't know why you'd full fledged
turn hook now. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Well, it doesn't make sense, but it also is this
stupid We had a trio's title match booked and it
was for a pay per view event. We had a
substitute Hook. We needed to book that show. Add that,
we don't have a potatoes title match booked. We just
won't book one because shabad is injured. And again it's flawed,

(55:07):
stupid logic, but that might just be the the reality
of the situation. We had a trios title matchbook we
needed to replace Hook. Now we literally will don't. We
won't book one, so we don't replace Shabata.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
It's just a flaw in the system, right right right
right by the way Da Nice went on Collision, Now
he needed Rina Shafir to be his tag team partner
to get it.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
But uh whatever, Hey good that Marina shafiirras finally elevated
her game to a point will to allow her to
work on Collision for Ring of Honor Collision, you get
that step up finally? Uh were you impressed or anything?
With the mother's milk? Yes, that it would be your
favorite submission. Yes, very Alexi Alenik.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Like from those of you that I think when they're
at home, you know what. Never mind what I did
not like, and we knew it was coming. I didn't
know anyway. So my god, Hologram gets deprogrammed, taken out, cloned.

(56:19):
I don't know what the fuck you call it. But
Tony Conn announces Hologram's hurt. He's probably out the rest
of the year because of whatever happened when the lights
went out. I can only assume that now we see Clone,
which is not Hologram in a different mask or anything like,

(56:39):
totally different person. But I don't have high hopes for this.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
So Clone is gonna come out now to take over.
I was wondering if we have another promo where everything
gets shut down, because we were expecting Clone and Hologram
to compete against each other, but now this unexpected catastrophic
knee injury might screw both of them. Do you think
we get Clone? Do you think we go in a
different direction? Do we just deprogram this whole story?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I assumed you're gonna have Clone wreaking havoc on Hologram
for a while. With the injury, you decided to write
him off TV. All right, Hell, maybe he ain't even
really injured, and you're just like, all right, this is
what we're doing with Clone and Hologram. We got to
take you off TV for a while. Maybe that's it.

(57:30):
I don't know, but no, I think this was the plan.
I don't think they've had to grotesquely deviate too much
from the plan, for better or for worse.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Kyle Fletcher, Hologram, we were about to get Belt versus Street.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
We had all been waiting for it.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
That gets defused. But I still feel like Kyle Fletcher
the promo, the intensity, the elevation. You can still feel
how much he's climbing up the ladder each time we
see him cutting another promo.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Kyle Fletcher is on a rocket ship right now. By
the way, how much you want to bet Clone winds
up being in the don Kallis family everybody else is.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
It's a good it's a good bet. I mean, he
doesn't really feel like a death writer at this point.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Look, you're either in one of two camps in aaw
you're one of the many who beat the hell out
of Wheeler Yudah, or you're in the don kallis family.
I mean, that's that's pretty much how you know you've
made it in aew you're one of those two, and
if you're not one of those two, you're trying to
figure out what the hell you're doing wrong? What if
you're an ace in the Bang Bang Gang? Ah? I

(58:43):
will take away and see. I I didn't like it,
but I didn't hate it either.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Something about having the ace up the sleeve and making
your own luck. I think he felt like, damn, that
sounded cooler in my head until I said it shit.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
And we've all been there, right, I've said many things
that I thought were golden. As soon as I said him,
I'm like, ah, that was kind of stupid.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Exactly so unfortunate the injuries that have bestowed Colton and
Jay White for derawling whatever plans we're in store for
the Bang Bang Gang. I at least understand this addition
for Ace Austin. It is a a logic one Austin
and Austin versus. I still can't get behind the logic.
And I know that we already brought his name up,

(59:30):
but Tony Kahan loves him some hook and some Eddie Kingston.
My god, I would have I would have reversed the
winners in the Tornado tag, but we know Tony never would.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, that's not happening. Back to the Bang Bang Gang
for a second. Why can't we get Juice Robinson with
his hair slick back and a nice tuxedo black and
white screen being Tony Storm's leading man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Because she said there'd be too much sexual attention and chaos.
The censors could not even stand if you put that
madness together on one screen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Have you seen a Tony Storm promo or match? They're
sexual innu windows everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
The problem is, you probably wouldn't have Juice Robinson in
the full body tuxedo. He'd be more like in the
loincloth tuxedo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
That'd probably be fine too. I guess uh, why, go ahead,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
We got them back together, but they're still not on
the same page. No, I can't claim only so much
that this sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Not even the biggest thing coming out. Look, maybe I'm
slow to the game, but it finally dawned on me
why Lee Johnson and Blake Christian are called the Swirl.
It hit dude, It hit me like a ton of
fucking bricks Saturday night and I'd just like, oh my god,

(01:01:02):
I'm like, how did I not know this? It's painfully obvious.
So that distracted me the whole time. I liked the
a flame stuff. Look, we're long term storytelling here, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I know, go ahead, go ahead, dude that comes out
with an ice cream cone on his freaking robe. You
didn't know why his TAC team was called the Swirl.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Well, I think there's some double entendre going there. Micah,
one's one, one's the other. You put them together, they
kind of swirl. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but but yeah, no, I know, sometimes the obvious stuff
just goes right over my head. I guess. But yeah,
I'm just like, oh my god. Look they still aren't

(01:01:50):
very good, But now I care about the Swirl or
Swirl or or whatever the fuck we're calling him. But yes,
the castor Bowen's thing. That match probably should have been
a lot shorter and still could have done everything you
wanted to do there. But I can't help but feel
like this is gonna lead us to Jerry Lynn versus
Billy Gunn for custody of the acclaimed. That would be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Better than it ends up that one side's on one
way you know with bow that Lynn sides with Bowens
and Cast sides with Daddy ass and then we get
a mixed daddy tag match.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
A mixed daddy tag match. Talk about a swirl, all right.
I did not like the Tony Schiavanni old school eighties
promo thing for their Florida run. I get what they
were trying to do, but it seemed an awful lot

(01:02:52):
like you were infringing on the Outrunners gimmick. And then
the first fucking match after that is the goddamn Outrunners
versus Dalton Castle or the Outrunners and Dalton Castle. Excuse me,
I just I didn't care for it at all. Look,
I'm all about the nossalgia. I'm a huge Jim Crockett
Promotions WCW guy, so it was right up my alley.

(01:03:15):
But I'm just thinking, if I'm the Outrunners in the back,
this kind of pisses me off a little bit. I
ain't even in this shit, and they're stealing my gimmick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I didn't even put that connection together. Now that you
mentioned it, I get it, but independent on its own,
I love the Massagic because it felt right at home
for Tony Shavanni. The outrunners. I was trying not to
think about them because we went from fucking Newport's to
Marlboro Reds. I can't take the nicotine. I quit smoking
like fifteen years ago. They're just they're just they're a
little too tempting for me to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I want to smoke them. I hear you. You brought
up Kyle Fletcher earlier. He defeated Commander Commanders. It feels like, well,
when we really want Bandido but we can't afford to
have Bandido lose, let's just have Commander go out instead.

(01:04:08):
That's really what commander feels.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Like to me. I love Commander. He gets treated like
the worst of luchadors. He is a second rate luchador
citizen to Tony Kahan Titan. There are so many other
people mascarato that get treated better, and I think Commander
deserves better. He commands better. You just don't hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah, you brought up earlier hooking Kingston should have beaten
someone other than Big Bill and Brian Keith. But that's
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Rig Bill and Brian Keith should have won.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yes, I agree. I didn't care for Jamie Hayter Julia
Hart at all. I'm not feeling Jamie hater Man. I
don't like her look. It's, as the kids say, a
little wonky. I don't know why she thinks it looks good,
or why anybody in the back thinks it looks good,
and I don't. I'm not coming at this from a
sexy standpoint or objectifying women said, I just she looks

(01:05:02):
like when they reboot Austin Powers and they thaw him
out again from the fifties, she gets thought or the
six wherever the fuck he was from seventy I don't know,
it doesn't matter, but she somehow accidentally gets thawed out
with him, and I don't think that's a good look
for anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I agree with you, it's unfortunate. I wish we could
go back to the more Japanese look that she had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Hater hit hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
That doesn't blend well to a hippie flower child. We
got blood and guts, though I need your input. I'm
guessing it's gonna be the triangle of madness. I'm guessing
Ford and Bain will make up the rest of the
evil conglomeration or contingent Suosly conglomerations are good contingent now well,
I like evil conglomeration.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I think they should run with that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
They could be the the clone to the conglomerations hologram
Hater makes the challenge. We can assume she's in Queen
Ata Amanada standing next to her. Okay, cool, But then
now we have the floodgates open because Willow Nightingale maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
She's always around.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
It seems like Mina Srik Coward, Tony Storm, Chris Statland
or Harley Cameron and a Jay ty Melok. We've got
like six options for the last three spots. You have
any inclination of which direction we're gonna go to fill
up the Hater Queen Amanada team.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Willow, Harley, Cameron, Statland or maybe depending on what you're
doing there when you're doing it, it's pretty wide open.
It's pretty wide open.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Same as we got the groundmaking announcement from Tony Kahn
long overdue. We all knew it was coming. Women's tag
team titles coming to a e W. You threw out
Beth Phoenix and Willow Nightingale as the team. We already
know Triangle Madness will have a team. You can assume
that Ban and Ford will become a team. We know
that Anna j and Tymelo are back together, Mina Shirakawa

(01:07:14):
Attorney Storm. You could assume we're gonna come together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Do you believe that? Which way direction?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Do you believe we're gonna go with our inaugural Women's
ae W Tag Team champions if.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
You want to keep the singles belt off of Tony
Storm for a while, her and Mina Shirakawa being the
inaugural tag team Champions makes a lot of sense. I
feel like this belt's gonna wind up in the hands
of the death Riders. But I don't think you're pulling
the switch on stat Landers soon enough for her and
Meena or her and Marina to be in the tournament,

(01:07:50):
So maybe you're doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Afterwards, we both didn't like the Jamie Hayter look. That
was one of the reasons why I assume that maybe
she was gonna do a double turn and she could
become a death rider, because there just feels like there
needs to be a turn with Hater and she has
that physical presence that catch wrestler dirty vitality that she
could be a death rider. I don't know if we

(01:08:14):
get that, though.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
It would seem like the swerve of all swerves. If
it's not, If it's not Statlander, I don't think you
need to add a bunch more women. But uh yeah,
we'll see, we'll see. I don't hate that logic. I
just think they're going all in with Statlander there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So I'm putting money. I'm guessing Tony Storm, Mina Sharrakawa.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
There's an inklin in me that feels like Anna j
Ty Mellow. They were like the first women's AW tag team.
Maybe Tony Khan might have a sauce spot for them,
but it could just as well to me be Ford
in Baine, because you want to use that monster and
kind of put her over, And what better way to
make her look a little more prestigious than being a

(01:09:00):
tag team where penalty Ford is going to do a
lot of the heavy lifting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Anyway, that's a fair point. That's a fair point. I
am looking forward to the Women's Tech Team tournament though
nice looking belts too, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Nice looking belts. I feel like it's another prestigious one.
We'll see how AW continues to balance trying to make
stories and then having eight million different titles. They are
rapidly catching up to New Japan on how many belts
they have.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
There are a lot of belts in AEW for sure.
Anything else we need to hit on, Micah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I think that's everything from the world of pro wrestling.
There's nothing invading me that needs to talk to you about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
All right, fair enough. Tell everybody how they can keep
up with you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Oh over on x's where we talk about pro wrestling,
and I do that at Frankle Micah, get the show
on ex at PW After Hours.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
You can get me at Real Mike Carlisle. We will
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