Ep 311: AEW Dynamite Title Tuesday Recap. WWE Crown Jewel Preview.

Episode 311: We look back at AEW Dynamite Title Tuesday....which didn't feature a lot of titles.  And we preview WWE Crown Jewel, happening this Saturday. 












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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up, everybody. Welcome back to Pro Wrestling after Hours.
I'm Michael Carlisle joint as always by Micah Frankle. Micah
was shaken.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Man guy's name Kyle and the Mockerena.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I was expecting a Kyle on a poll match to
be announced for the pay per view. The winner gets
the certificate that gives them soul aaw wrights to the
name Kyle, and the other person has to change their
name to like Bob or something.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh you mean, just like a bad chat Lean movie
from the early two thousands. There can only be one Kyle.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I guess one Kyle to rule them all.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I guess that was a little perplexing. I guess I
don't whatever, But.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Mark Brisco's articulation of Kyle was impeccable.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Mark Briscoe's hilarious. Yeah that's yeah, I don't I'll tell
you this. I'll give aw little credit here. I got
sucked into the Kyle versus Kyle thing way more than
I should have, and people kept bringing it up to Carl.
It was confused that, you know, they brought it up

(01:21):
on the announcer callous brings it up really really, but
it did. It did make me chuckle.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I guess, so whatever, it's a Kyle kind of night
when you were in Daily's place.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Kyle, I guess. We had Title Tuesday from ae W.
They are taping Collision Wednesday night because of the baseball
schedule that will be airing on Saturday. After all, the
original plan was due Dynamite on Tuesday night, the Title Tuesday,
and then New Collision on Wednesday. But uh, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
What changed that. I wondered if it was opening night
of hockey for the Warner Broadcast Network. I didn't know
if that had something to do with our abbreviation because
I know there's a couple games going on tonight. I
didn't really understand what fully moved it because of the
baseball games. I know a lot of the baseball games

(02:17):
that were on on Tuesday were I thought ESPN and
Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Uh no, two of the games are on on TBS,
True TV and Max.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
For the MLB tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah for MLB. So yeah, that that that kind of yeah,
such as and and and it wasn't even those, but
it was the scheduling of those. Because Tiger's Mariner still
is going on. Yankees Blue Jay is still going on,
so yeah, it's it's fine, it's not a big deal.
Collagion will be in its regular spot, so there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh okay, back to our regularly schedule time. Cool collision
on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean, if it has a regularly scheduled time, because
it seems like it's not on Saturdays way more than
it is on Saturdays these days. But I mean, which
is fine, I wouldn't it, But you know, wouldn't it
be easier to move it to a weeknight if you
were returner.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
We're not talking about AW having any control of this,
but with baseball, with hockey, with isn't there some college
football that's going to be on their networks also here
later in the season, wouldn't it be easier to move
your regularly schedule wrestling to a more solid time.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Big Bank Theory reruns get good numbers, man, I know.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because we leave it playing in the hotel on that
TV the entire time we're out doing other stuff when
we're working for MMA after hours.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yes, but not just with us in all Seriously that
they do really well with those Big Bank Theory reruns.
So yeah, it's not just me, Micah, you asshole, right.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
It wasn't judging you the ratings you were judging.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You were judging. Let's jump in, man, we got a
lot to get to. We've got WWE Crown Jewel Australia,
this Saturday Premium Live event. We had aw Dynamite Title
Tuesday on uh well, Tuesday night, we got Collision of

(04:32):
where what a week away from their next pay per view.
And while I didn't really get the whole we're calling
this title Tuesday thing because you didn't feature all that
many titles being defended, I thought they did a phenomenal
job of building to the pay per view.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, I'll go with you on both of those accounts.
I was a little disappointed thinking why couldn't we I
honestly thought the tag team title match that we're gonna have,
that we'll talk about. I thought that was a title match.
I thought that was going to be a title match
Title Tuesday. Adding to it all in all, I guess

(05:13):
the biggest thing I could have changed it was a
big blowoff and sent it off at the end, but
something of a title match. Maybe that Kyle versus Kyle
actually have been the main event of a Title Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I don't think you can put Kylo Riley in the
main event of Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay, all right, that was my thought because of pack
Orange Cassidy, where I'm just like, we could have featured
Kyle Fletcher main event just because of a title being
on the line, even Mercedes Moone just because it was
a title Tuesday. I was thinking of a title on
the line.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
You could have had stat Lander defend the women's title
in the main event. It's not like they haven't done that. Hell,
it's not like they haven't done that with Statlander. That
that's not only a Tony Storm thing. So I mean
you could, look, you could have. I didn't have a
problem with it. If we're probably too hung up on
the title Tuesday aspect of Dynamite, it felt like, all right,

(06:11):
it's on a Tuesday, we got to give it a
different name. And that was basically the gist of, oh,
I know, let's do title Tuesday. But yeah, not really
a lot of titles on the line.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
No, I agree with you, and we're gonna both be
hung up on that on the narrative, but if we
get to the action, it was great. I mean, you
start out with that Samoa Joe Hangman page promo obviously
this is a whole large show because of the title Tuesday.
Normally we'd just be talking about what's gonna happen on Dynamite.

(06:44):
Did you think it was a overreaction or a weird
way to get to where we are? Where Hayman Page
is shoving the belt into Joe's chest and Joe turns
into his alter ego Sweet Tooth. He's like, you just
fucking disrespected me. It is like, don't calm no.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I love the storyline. Hey, look, hay Man didn't shove
the belt in Joe's chest. He handed it to him,
just like he did to Will Hobbs. Joe just wasn't
paying attention and the belt fell and that pisched Joe off.
I loved you know, that was last week. I loved
the promo that started off Dynamite with these two. Hangman

(07:24):
laid it out, the jealousy blah blah blah. Joe's like, right,
I'm better than you. I lost sight. Uh, you come
out here and throw out these title shots, patting your
like all of it is. There's enough of it there
that it makes sense, and his reality being like, yeah,

(07:47):
Joe's right, he does give these title shots to fucking
Lee Moriarty and shit just to go patis stats. Oh look,
I defended the title. I'm a fighting champion. Uh you
know it was reality based enough that for me, that
promo really hit. I still don't think there's a chance
in hell Joe's winning, because I don't think you're anywhere

(08:10):
close to wanting to take the title off a hangman
right now. But I thought they did a phenomenal job
of selling this main event and then you know, the
hangman comes back, and yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought
it was really good and it set the stage for
this title match next week.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Joe is a legit threat. He is a former world champion,
and he is a badass. If we look back real
quick at that six man tag, he came out with
some anger, some aggressive, some ferocity. There was velocity and
intensity to the way he was throwing strikes. So I
think that they real quick right there were reminding you

(08:46):
who Samoa Joe is and how much of a violent
man he can be. And then you get to that cool,
calm demeanor he had the nice suit on. It took
me back to the WWE days where he was on commentary.
He was able to show his articulation very well. Like
you said, he doesn't look at Hangman as a real champion.

(09:08):
He's gonna put him to the test. I don't think
he's gonna work out for Samojo, but he is the
kind of character he has the kind of resume that
you're able to make this short kind of storyline work
in a build up because you do look at him
as a real threat.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Oh look, and that's why this is interesting. And that's
another reason why this promo took to build for this
match really clicked for me. Now what didn't click for me?
Micah I love me some conglomeration. All that's good, Tomahiro

(09:49):
is shee should never have a singles match in ae
W again. Put him in tag team matches, put him
in trios matches, put him in cluster bomb four ways,
five ways, ten million pesos, fatal four way, whatever, don't
put him in singles matches, and don't put him against

(10:10):
John Moxley. I will say that was a hard hitting match,
but did anybody really think for a second John Moxley
was going to be looking up the lights for ishye.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh no, no one will believe that at all. But
the only match that maybe surprised us. Well, there was
only one match I'll put it that surprised me on
the night with the outcome of who is victorious. I
don't think there's a large stake in question on who's
gonna win for any of our during the week TV shows.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
On most of these mons, sometimes there is the six
Man with Hurt Syndicate and Rikosheton Gates of Agony. I
think there was some some question there. Now, I don't
think he thought Jungle Boy and Lucasaurus, what we're gonna

(11:08):
lose to those two guys. But yeah, but I hear you,
but is she e? And it's not even who's gonna win?
Who's not gonna win? Do they call it the stone
pit bull right? Yes, it's not because of the look
on his face. It's because he moves like he's made
out of fucking stone. If the earth tilts, there's an

(11:30):
earthquaker's up, he slides a little bit. But other than that,
the motherfricker doesn't. He's not conducive to singles matches on
TV in America. To me, he's just not.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I like, Kim already stole the Iron Turtle. That's why
he is the stone pit bull.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I guess, I guess, I don't, ye know. I just.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
He is not your cup of tea.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I look at him as Japanese tiny Gunther, so I
love everything about him. I think it's amazing the matches
that he puts together, because I'm trying to have a
better appreciation for Gunther, and if I can't appreciate Gunther,
I'm not gonna be able to appreciate tiny Japanese Gunther.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
He is so not tiny Japanese gu that is so
offensive of so many I cannot even believe you said that, Mikah.
I don't see Gunther comparisons at all. Gun thherf.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
They throw a bunch of forearms, they do the strong style.
They know sell half of their opponents moves to make
them look tough without really putting together a substantial dynamic offense.
Maybe they'll do a little drop kick where they fall
to their back. They have a lot of similarities and
in the way they approach matches.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Gunther moves like a human being. She moves like a.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
You just said I was offensive. Look, I was just
telling you the picture words carefully.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's not I don't what did I say that was offensive?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
That gun through moves like for the next word to
be offensive. That's why I jumped in first.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
No, no, no, look guntherer moves like a human being
is she moves like a zombie in a nineteen fifty
zombie movie. Not like cool walking dead zombies where some
of them can actually move fast, but like the Mummy
or a zombie or something where you and you know
you can walk away from them because they move that slow.

(13:27):
Whatever I did that, that match just didn't click for me.
Moxley gets the win, which I guess is what matters.
I did not have Renee Piquette doing a voiceover for
Timeless Tony Storm and Chris Statlander and uttering the word
tits in it on my Bengo card. But I thought

(13:48):
that was a good promo building up to Storm and Statlander.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
When do we get to the point where we get
to build our own Bengo cards all the time. I
kind of like this, I'm just gonna like black out
mine all the time because I got bingo if I'm building
my own Bengo cards. But you're right, I didn't expect
it time out.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Are you familiar with the concept of bingo, Micah? If
you could build your own bingo card. Of course you'd
win every time. Duh. You gotta make it challenging.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's why I would not have her name podcast saying
tits on my bingo card, which is why you wouldn't
know that anybody even had that space into that space
on there.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I don't, I don't know. I just assumed that the
sensors at TBS only allowed Tony Storm to say it.
I didn't realize anybody could say it.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Said it to you.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I can't wait for that conglomeration promo next week when
Mark Risco reaches over and uh tickles issues tits and
uh drops a t bomb if you will.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
But I digress, let me adjust the conversation I gets.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
And then that was funny. And then Roddy Strong yells
out Mark and storms off because he's so offended that
brisk goes jiggling is east tits.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
That is still the most awkward conglomeration with with Roddy
Strong trying to strongly not be a part of it.
And then there's conglomeration like conglomeration extension, the conglomeration adjacent family.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, because I think he Brisco referred to jet speed
as conglomeration adjacent or something. But yeah, it's it's yeah,
where are we.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Going with that?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I don't know. I'm ready to go off in a
different direction out there. Tony Conna loves him some not
just factions, but big ass factions that the callous family, conglomeration,
conglomeration adjacent, blah blah blah. I don't even know who
all how many damn peoples in Sammy Gevarres little group, now,
well not that little, but you got about eight ten

(16:01):
people there too.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Do you think I speak more Spanish than Samy Guevara.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I might speak more Spanish than Sammy Guevara, and outside
of c I don't really know any Spanish.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Hey, his promos are the opposite of El Fuego. I'm
glad the Beast Mortos, though, is taking those fashion tips
from his new girlfriend, because I love the fucking glasses
on the Beast mask. That was hilarious during the promo.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Look, you cannot make fun of a man for having
eyesight problems, nearsighted, far sighted. Whether they're wading glasses, I
don't know. Look, it happens to all of us, Mica,
and yes, even beasts, and sometimes you gotta put that on,

(16:50):
wear it over your mouth, otherwise you can't see what
what if he trips because he can't see it.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Really was surprising that Androde returns an he aligned himself
with the callous family. You would have thought he would
have jumped right back in LFI. I believe Dragon Lea
Sticko with Ruche Bismartos Sammy Gavara right now is the
entire faction, and we'll see if they gain Santos Escobar,

(17:20):
or we'll see what his name becomes when he is
allowed to be a freeman, or when that happens. But
there seems to be some speculation in that direction. Were
you surprised that the leader of kind of branching off here,
Legato del Fantasma, did not resign with WWE.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, sorry, simple question. No, not surprised at all.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
I just figured the payday is best on that side,
and whatever they offer would still be better than what
you would expect to get on the open market. I
don't know if he's that in demand, so kind of
surprised to see that he didn't re sign if they
were willing to resign him. There's not many of those situations.
I think that we've seen a lot more of what
we usually see as people being released contracts for over

(18:11):
best luck in your future endeavors. Not a lot of
times do we hear declined to resign.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, look, that's basically what they did with Carry and Cross. Yes,
they made him an offer, but it was an offer
they knew he wasn't gonna take.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh, okay, so I guess you know. Yeah, two of
the more recent examples.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm not sure many assuming, of course, at this point
we believe that the Carry Across release is real and
not a work that they're having to lean even heavier
into because everybody thinks it's a work.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Uh, you know, so I'm but I don't know. Whatever.
How do we get here? Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I was just asking because you asked how big l
F I was, you know, ask a bar end up
being there. I do like the progression that this move
made for Sammy Gavara. I feel like it was a
rough fix with him and Dustin, but him Ruche Alifi,
even though he doesn't speak any Spanish, It at least
feels more natural for Sammy to be able to be

(19:15):
back in a heel role. Do you agree.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I think he's more of a natural heel.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Just look, he's a good looking guy that comes off
as swarmy even when he's a face. Yeah. I think
he's just more naturally a bad guy. You kind of
want to hate him. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
And it's an ever growing faction where the Hurt Syndicate
and the demand hopefully stay at three people each.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yes, real quick, back to Gavaras group there. You don't
need Santo's escabar if you want to grow that group.
You've got plenty of lucha's and Mexican wrestlers that already
appear on aw every week. You've got basically anybody you

(20:06):
want to bring up and focus AWTV time on from CMLL.
And I'm not knocking Escobar, but the way he's been you, Okay,
it's one thing bringing Androttie back and all of a
sudden he's a big player, you know, joins the Callous
Family all that. It's one thing to bring in the

(20:29):
Hurt Syndicate who had success, even if you didn't like
how they were used near the end and they kind
of broke up the group and blah blah blah. Santos
Escobar has been used incredibly poorly. I think he has
to go to the Indies, go to CMLL somewhere else
and kind of rehab his image a little bit from

(20:50):
the damage that WWE did, but before you can bring
him in and have him make an impact. Now, if
you're just bringing him in because you can and he
was just on WWET and all that, I mean, that's
one thing, But if you want him to matter, I
don't know that you're making that jump straight from WWE

(21:10):
to ae W.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
For Escobar, Man, I can't think of any guys that
I want to say they were better off back in
the Luca Underground days, but King Konto might be one
of them. Santos Escobar that might have actually been the
better work, even including his NXT run. And there's not
many guys where you could say they just didn't click.

(21:34):
It seemed like with anything that WWE did for them.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, Now onto the Demand and Hurt Syndicate, who just
brought up another hard hitting matchup. Look, despite my thoughts
on Moxley in ishe that was a hard hitting, physical
match it was It was this match built on that
and as the great Emerald Lagassi would say, kicked it

(21:58):
up another notch. This was brutal, lots of tables and things.
I enjoyed the heck out of it. The Hurt Syndicate
gets the wind probably makes sense from a storyline standpoint.
You know the Demand had been getting the upper hand.
Hurt Syndicate comes back here. But I love this match.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Look at Carlisle cooking with his references over here today.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Damn hit it with a.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Band from the Spice Weasel. Yes, Sir Ricochet with that
running front flip off the ramp. We've seen him do
it a few times, different places, different scenarios, different characters.
I'll never tire of that spot. I love how they
have literally brought up the demand to feel at the
same level now as Lashly and Benjamin and just myself

(22:51):
when I'm thinking, wow, Lashly has really not done anything.
He really hasn't done anything. He spears everybody in the
damn Demand and makes himself look like a man again.
That one handed spinebuster where he throws Leoa through the table.
I felt like this was a what it was up
in the air, who was gonna win. It felt like

(23:13):
this was a necessary win for the Hurt Syndicate to
feel tough again because the Demand had got the better
of them so much to rise to their level that
you needed to reassert yourself.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
If you're the Hurt Syndicate, Now I'm with you on that.
You said, hopefully they don't add either team ads members.
The Hurt Syndicate probably adds a member.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I thinly need.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
To wait because I think and look, they alluded to
it in last week's promo. MVP himself did maybe I'm
not the wrestler I once was, but a street fight whatever,
blah blah blah blah, you probably need a wrestler and
MVP being focusing more on the managerial side of things
for the Hurt Syndicate, so I could actually see them

(23:55):
adding a member. But I'm sure the point you were
making is you don't need eighty members of the Hurt
Syndicate or the demand like you have in the Callus Family.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Exactly, we don't need a whole large group. But as
we said that, there probably should be a fourth member
to make a trio for the Hurt Syndicate. Like you said,
MVP be more of a mouth, because it's just the
ever leneering question of who could that be. Cacentric Alexander
was not picked up by Tony Kahn. He instead ended
up in TNA. So it's just a little bit of

(24:27):
I wonder who would fit that crew where Ricochet didn't
end up working out and he would have been a
great fit.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I think, do you know who might? And he would
have to change his style just a little bit. Are
you thinking this will surprise you? Because I shed all
over him last week Lee Moriarty pure you know, pure
style wrestling. He'd have to be a little more physical,
but that might would actually work out well for Lee Moriarty.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, he needed to become more physical. There's some of
uh influences of Japanese wrestling. There's some of the influences
that he has that he'd have to turn down.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I think, you know, Micah, how when you see a
commercial or hear a commercial for a one of those
betting sites, a fan Kings or draft Duel, And yeah,
I did that on purpose, no sense in giving them
any free publicity. But the disclaimer at the end is
as long as the damn commercial for gambling problems in

(25:28):
this state, call blah blah blah, and that state call
blah blah blah blah. In this state, go to this website,
call this number in this state, blah blah blah, blah
blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know we've all heard it, right, Yeah, are you
thinking that the Jacksons have it?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'm thinking AW is going to turn their partnership. I'll
say it here because you know with draft CA their
draft kings right or are they fanned? It doesn't fucking matter.
They're gonna turn their partnership there into a storyline with
the Bucks because my man might have some problems.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
When you go to Seminole hard Rock and you leave
the house at the hard Rock, you've made a wrong decision,
especially especially when it costs you firework money.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Look, I'm no gambling expert. Well I've lost my share
of money. It's one thing to go to Vegas and
lose all your money, But when you go to a
less than casino on a reservation and you lose all
that money, that's a sign you got a problem.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's a nice casino, man, it's ambiance.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh, I understand that. I'm not saying that, but I'm
just saying, at some point in time, you've got to
have the willpower to walk away. That is much harder
in a Vegas. It shouldn't be that hard at a
place like that, but.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
At least when you beat down Tony Kahn's door, he
will reward you with a half a million dollar tag match.
At Wrestle Dream, we did get Jurassic Expresses return. They've
chased the bucks around, they've chased them down.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
We've now seen.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Them reunite for a squash match and then get jumped,
and now they'll settle those differences. I kind of like,
what does a dinosaur need with half a million dollars?

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, you build yourself a bunker so you don't become extinct.
You know, he's lucky enough to have survived the first time.
None of the other dinosaurs did. Maybe he's not so
lucky the next time unless you take the necessary precautions.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's probably a conspiracy theorist. Then he's scared of ions
and radio waves.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
We've only seen the entering reunion in one match. But
I kind of like this new version of jungle Boy
Jack Perry. You know, we talked about this when when
they got back to you don't need loincloth jungle Boy
or anything anymore. Although I think that would be kind
of funny. But there were parts of the Jack Perry

(28:00):
character that were good, but it wasn't working because of
the whole situation. So I think you kind of got
the best of the both worlds here. He still kind
of got that swarmy look. But it's also kind of
cute in a way because it's deep down it's still
a boy in his dinosaur. As you said a couple
of weeks ago, I think Taz on the broadcast set
a man in his dinosaur. He's still a boy. But regardless,

(28:26):
I like what I see so far out of the
reunited Jurassic Express.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I'm a little scared though, if we do, like a
drinking game during aew adult beverages get a bit inebriated,
I start squinting. I might squint and think Jack Perry
is John Moxley's illegitimate child. He's dressing just like him,
slightly different colors.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
This probably only made me chuckle. Well in them chuckle.
But that match, they come out and all of a
sudden you see the beach balls being bounced around and
all that, and Task says, oh, I just got hitting
the head with the beach ball while I was doing
my promo there, and ex Caliber said, maybe you should
go away for seven or eight weeks. Taz is going away.

(29:13):
Taz is having shoulder replacement surgery. That was his last
Dynamite for seven or eight weeks. But most people probably
didn't even know that, and even if you did, that
comment didn't register. I thought that was funny as shit.
But again something probably only I thought was funny.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I thought you were going to bring up when the
beach ball flew into the ring and they said, hey,
this isn't a street fight.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I wish Luca's horse hadn't thrown it out. I would
have liked to see Jungle Boy come off the ropes
with the beach ball over his head and bring it
down on the jobber bounce it off of him.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, you had the Kyles for the TNT Championship. Look,
I said earlier, you can't have Kyler Riley main event Dynamite.
I like Kyler Riley, he just hasn't always been used
to his potential. I think he could certainly be to
a point where you could use him in a one
on one in a Dynamite main event. Obviously a tag

(30:09):
team or some cluster type match, he certainly could. But
I like him a lot. I thought this was a
really good match for what it was. Fletcher, of course
gets the win.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
This is one of the places where I think AEW
could improve. I feel like if someone had did that
diving knee, well basically did do it, but did it
this week as a spear through the round surrounding area,
it would have been a viral moment. I think that

(30:40):
AAW has to improve in that manner somehow. Because the
flying knee off the apron big spot from Kyle Riley,
that looked huge, That looked great. I just feel like
we see some of the same stuff from WWE and
they're able to capitalize on it in a better manner,
and a WA you could definitely benefit from that. But

(31:02):
just as a match, that match was freaking awesome. It was.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
It was a really good match. I still keep waiting
for Roddy Strong to turn on the conglomeration. I was
convinced he was going to become a death Rider last night.
I was convinced at the end when everybody ran out
he was about to join the Don Kallis family, because
if the Kallaus harely needs anything, it's another member. But
in the end he's still kind of around. Maybe he

(31:28):
does a tournament, Maybe he's just the reluctant conglomerator I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh man, I'd probably bring it up from before, but
he looks like a nineteen nineties film character whose car
broke down on the way to work and that's when
he figures out he got fired. So he's just wandering
around with his briefcase.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
The Michael Douglas movie Falling Down. Yes, yes, he does
kind of look like that, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
That's what Roddie struggle. I'm just waiting for the go
postal on every member of the congomberationalder back there just
for the back day.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
All of a sudden, I like it. I like it.
I also liked way more than I thought I would
when it was they announced the opponent. But Mercedes Monet
and Lacey Lane, I thought was a good match. Now,
there was no way Mercedes was losing there, but I
thought they did a good job of introducing most of

(32:26):
the audience to Lacey Lane. I know she had had
a Ring of Honor appearance or two, but I thought
that was a good debut for her in losing effort,
and another female for the women's division.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Good addition, and that might have been the best match
I've ever seen from Lacey Lane, even when she was Kaden.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Carter in WWE.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
A lot of the tag team matches with Katana Chance
they just didn't land right for me. I didn't know
that she had these kinds of abilities to work and
operate in a one on one environment in this manner.
So yeah, a lot more impressed with her than I
expected to be. When they announced who the opponent.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Was, agreed Brodido versus Okada and Takeshka double Jeopardy. If
Brodido either of them had won, they would have gotten
shot at the unified titles. Okata and Takeushka win, they
get a shot at the tag titles. So of course
the don Callous Family wins. I didn't like. I mean,

(33:26):
I guess you got to do something, But I didn't
like the Bandido injury deal because it didn't really seem
to bother him that much in the match until he
did his his tried to do his flippy souplex thing,
and then the shoulder gave out, and that's when the
Callous Family took over.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I thought he did alright, playing it up every so
often in the beginning. There was at least they mentioned
where Hatch zero had did the injury in Mexico. Yeah, Friday,
So they brought the backstory together. I like the the still,
the chirpiness, the chippiness between Okada and Takeshna, the blind tags,

(34:05):
the push at the end of the match, these two
not getting along. There's this real arrogance from Okada being
the other statesman of Japanese. It's not the same tenure
as as what's going on with Osca Edosky, but it's
still kind of within that same realm of the honor system.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, to be fair to Bedddo, the twenty one plex,
not the flippy soup lex. I liked Okada tagging himself
in and getting the pen and then walking out, So
you continue to tease that dissension between he and Takeshka,
so that continues that as well. But yeah, look that
match was a good match. I just if you're going

(34:47):
to take the belts off of Brodido, I'd rather you
just take the belts off of them and not do
a lame injury deal with it with Bandido, And that's
why Brodido is gonna wind up losing.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Hey, they fight, and Brody said it were gonna fight.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
We have the promos micah from a jet Speed and
then FTR and a couple things Stokely. Hathaway gets better
and better every week. He's phenomenal. The other thing that
strikes me is odd. Will Ow' Nightingale has this unique
ability to be a conglomerator, to hang out with Jet Speed,

(35:26):
to be with her little chick group, and all this
she's She's like, either in or adjacent to more factions
than anyone in the history of pro wrestling.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
She fits everywhere. She's seamlessly able to transition from positive
energy person to positive energy person. If we're playing in
the NBA, she's that sixth man with the energy coming
off the bench. She's gonna grab some rebounds. She's gonna
box now. She won't need the ball that much, but
she's gonna keep supporting everybody. Willow Nightingale is energy persona fied.

(36:03):
She's like happy Bailey, where Bailey is crazy Bailey. Right now,
I don't get that.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean, I guess I get where you're coming from.
The happy Bailey thing, I just I don't. Yeah, she
is very happy, though You're not wrong, So I mean
you didn't like the equivalent.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
The example of the energy person off the bench.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I just didn't like the Bailey comparison.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh okay, all right, so the energy was good. See energy,
We'll keep it there, keep that energy, just like Willow
would do.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I like to see Bailey's belly button. I don't know that.
I want to see Willow Nightingale's belly button.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Have we ever seen Willow Nightingale's belly button? No? I
don't think we have. Now you're going to question if
she has one, aren't you.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
No, I don't want to know. There's something I don't
want to know. Look, I'm not shitting on will and
I think she's fantastic. I'm saying, do you think if.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
We asked her she would say she's a conglomerator or
a a this member or that member? Or do you
think she just says she's just Willow?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
H I would think she identifies as a conglomertor you
would think so?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You would think so she's also adjacent.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, her pronoun is conglomertor I think.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Is she like that United Nations member? Then you know
she leaves the conglomeration, and then that's how you become
conglomeration adjacent? Is because Willow is around you?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean maybe maybe I don't know, maybe she's the
bridge to conglomerate or adjacent and conglomertor I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
You know what I'm really interested in is she gonna
be a member of Blooding Guts. And also I got
to bring it up. Did we announce Blood and Guts
too early? If it's five weeks out?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
No? Because no, no, no, no no, I don't think so.
You put in people's minds. I mean, you know, they
put tickets on sale and stuff, so you are trying
to move those as well. But yeah, obviously the focus
is on the upcoming pay per view.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Still they're a little bit messy, but we'll Blood and
Guts built. I mean, hopefully we can get those to
stay up there. Maybe a it'll be a nice putty.
We do have some of those elements starting to come together.
As the Triangle of Madness had attacked Jamie Hater Queen
Almanada in the back, we also still have Jamie Hayter

(38:34):
fighting random members of it. Does it feel like the
face Faction side It could literally be anyone you think
that's going to fill up that random team?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, it could literally be anybody.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah. I figured that's that's gonna make the hard part
besides the question of does stokeally allow Baine and Ford
to now they're FTR people. Now now they're the gods.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Do they go back.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Into the madness to get into blood and guts or
don't they That's actually we're intriguing now because we separated
Bain and Ford from the triangle of madness, adding them
to the wing of Stokely, is he gonna let them
now go do something that doesn't benefit there conglomerate.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I think the goal was for FTR to seem impressed
with Megan Bain, but to me, the way Dax was
looking at her came off as awful, damn creepy. I mean,
it just did. It was like, oh my god, these
guys are gonna leave their wives storyline wise and hook

(39:45):
up with these chicks, and it was just kind of creepy.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
That's just me. I get what I think they were
trying to do, But they may have come up a
little short there. It may have taken a turn big Stoke.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm a little sad we got he got to talk
before we got to do the episode, because I was
gonna be like, he finally got some hoes and he's like,
I don't have hose. I got two bad bitches, so
he cut me off before I could even make the
damn joke.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
By the way, serious question, would you ever call Meghan
Baine a bad bitch to her face? I mean, I
get he was trying to do it in a complimentary way,
but if I were around her, I would be Now, look,
Stokely's a man, right, I mean he's he's a badass.
He's tough. Yeah, he can't get hose, but I mean
other than that, he's a man's man or something. I

(40:34):
would be so afraid that I would do something to
insult her or offend her and she would beat my ass.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Maybe it's the same pickup line that Joey Janella used.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well all right, look, maybe stoke is like, hey, she's
got a type. Maybe I got a chance she likes
some finny guys. Exactly exactly. I do want to talk
about Orange Cassidy and pack your main event from Tuesday.
Before we do that, though, we need to circle back
to something because breaking news as we record it probably

(41:06):
won't be breaking news by the time you hear it.
But if Sammy Gavar is looking to add to his stable,
he's going to have to look elsewhere than free agent Pablo,
not Pablo Escobar. That that would be your story, Santos Escobar,
because Santo's Escobar has now re signed with WWE after

(41:30):
becoming a free agent, so he will be staying.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Poor. Good job on sniffing that storyline out.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Oh, I see what you did. See you make one
little slip of the tongue and all of a sudden
you start to get ridicule. I can't believe you. I
would never do that, Mike. Uh, I can't believe you
would do that to me.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Hey, I have a quick question for you as you're
going to get to the main event. Okay, why did
Pat come out dressed as Juice Robinson?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Okay, I got a better question. Actually, it's more of
a statement, and we'll come back to that as well.
Pack with his look, with his new death writer look,
with his short hair. He's still ripped, but he's not
quite as rict as he was. Shouldn't he be the
one coming out to Orange Cassidy's theme song and Orange

(42:16):
Cassidy go back to the old one, like the Pixie
song that seems made for Pack. I see Pack, I
hear that song, and I think two great taste. It
tastes great together. Your peanut butter's in my chocolate. Your
chocolate's in my peanut butter. How are we missing the
boat here? How about a match between those two four

(42:37):
for the rights to that entrance song. Force Arch Cassidy
to come out to Starship.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Just bring back Starship so Carlisle can get off this ship.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
This isn't even so much about Yes, Orange Cassidy should
be coming out to Starship as much as it is.
Pack's the one who should have that song. He just should.
It fits act.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Looks like all of a sudden, he's a lost member
of the vod villains. Uh with the ooh night with
the nineteen twenties look. I don't know it worked for him,
but it him and Juice Robinson having the exact same
attire is gonna stick with me for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
The I assume you're referring to the singlet, the black
one piece singlet, where they each have the underwear overtop
on the outside.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
At least Pacts did have the death Rider logo on
It is.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
There somewhere on the dark Web where people are wondering
if wrestlers go commando, so they're like, well, you know what,
we ain't getting wrapped up in this. We'll wear I
underwear on the outside so everybody knows we're wearing them. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
It wasn't a good look. When I was growing up,
you always felt like the guy that was dressed like
that was the jobber who was going to lose thing.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Not just right. There are only a few stars that
can pull off the singlet. I'm with you on that
that that usually is a red flag for this guy's
about to get his ass beat.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, a full body, all black singlet never a good sign.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Having said that, for the most part, I like Pack's
new look. I'm fine with the short hair. It looks
like he's lowered his dosages a little bit, which is
fine as well. Don't make that face, dude.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
His fore arm was like veins on top of veins
on top of veins. When you say lower his dose,
I'm just like, the man's arm is as big as
Orange Cassidy's thigh.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't but Orange Cassidy has. Orange Cassidy has small thighs.
Micah his his his biceps aren't quite as big. He
he looks like he's changed up his workout rous Let's
just say that he's changed out his workout routine.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
How about that different recording.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Look, don't get me wrong, because you are correct. He
still was ripped as shit. I'm not saying he looks
out of shape or flabby or anything like that, but
there's been some changes.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Can I take a cheap shot at Seeham punk and
Eddie Kingston real quick? I guess fucking pack In Orange Cassidy.
That's how you come back from a year off. Those
two dudes look like they ain't lost a step. They
both get right back in there. And for my money,
where I remember we made a deal, with a big
deal about it with see him Punkin felt like it

(45:43):
took a couple matches for him to shake off the
ring russ. His was a decade Eddie Kingston Man, could
that spinning backfist have missed any more? On Big Bill?
At the peak per view? It feels like there's some
guys that the rust is known and Orange Cassidy and
pack for all visualizations, the tangerine had no rust on it.

(46:07):
Even though there was a new haircut and singlet, he
was still as fast and as smooth as I think
I'd ever seen I thought that they were very crisp, moved.
I loved the match. I even loved the psychology of
the dominance early and Orange Cassidy having a build back
up a little hokey once you get outside the ring

(46:30):
and we're worried about the ten count two minutes like
after being outside the ring, that.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Was a little bizarre. To be fair, Micah, both Pack
and Orange Cassidy not out nearly as long as Eddie Kingston,
so more ring rushed on Kingston. However, I really can't
disagree with your point on that. I thought both Pack
and Cassidy looked phenomenal. Now, Cassidy wasn't a trios or

(46:58):
eight man or some cluster of a match last week.
I do believe that was Pack's first match back since injury,
But yeah, I did. They did both look really good.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
They both looked really crisp for sure, And then we
get that finish and you start to get the storyline
implement Pack pushing Orange Cassidy away, exhausted from the battle,
going to recollect himself and beholding that scoundrel Darby all
On appears out of the shadows and ankle cuffs. I

(47:32):
don't want to call a handcuff because there was no
hand involved. Ankle cuffs Pack to the guardrail and again,
aw production team. I don't know if this was on purpose,
but as we're looking at Orange Cassidy trying to get
to the ring, we totally missed the spot where Pack
breaks the chain in half, which would have been pretty cool,

(47:55):
and it's starting to able to make his way back
to the ring. I love the dive for Pack, the
desperation to beat the ten count him diving into the ring,
and it leads to a spectacular finish. I thought all
of that was great, but production wise, this one falls
on Tony Kanka season one with the headset on. We
missed that big moment of Pack breaking the chain.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I didn't even pay that much attention to that. I
was so taken aback bye. For the first time in
the history of pro wrestling, we saw a security guard
grow a set of balls. My man goes flying and
tackles Darby Allen. When the fuck have we ever seen
a damp security guard do something like that?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oh oh oh, you're past the mats now, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm past the night.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Darby Allen is everything that I wish that I thought
of as a heinous little kid and as a scoundrel myself,
and then comes true because I'm like, well, there's all
kinds of guys attacking me. Why don't you bring out
a taser. Why don't you bring out a flamethrower. Why
don't you bring out a mall tof cocktail? Why don't
you bring a gun with yourself to the ring Darby down,

(49:02):
keeping the death Riders at bay by him his own self.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
All that security guard had to do was walk over
to Darby Allen, pick him up by the back of
his neck, and stick him into his shirt pocket. That's
all he had to do. Instead, Yeah, no, instead he
has to go fucking Bill Goldberg, or since we're talking
to aw Adam Copeland with a goddamn spear and tackle Darby.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Allen thought he knocked Darby the fight out. For a moment,
I was like, oh my god, he recover Darby.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Allen's gonna miss six months now. What is this security
guard done? Obviously they were playing up to Darby right,
he had the taser earlier, he was about to set
his weapon on fire and all that shit, and you
know we can't have a fire at Daily's place, and
so I do get it, but I was just like,
that ain't really what security guards typically. This is the

(49:56):
same company had a few weeks ago, not a damn
security guard to be found. When Mjf's about to set
I don't remember who's gonna set on fire now? Yeah yeah,
yeah yeah. And then when a man goes to the
back that there's like eighty million hundred security guards just
hanging out the fuck and all of a sudden, now

(50:17):
in Jacksonville, we got a security guard with balls.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
We're stepping up. We're stepping up security. Ever since MJF
showed us the holes in the system.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Where was where was this dude when the young bucklers
were beating on Tony Kahn's door while he's trying to
damn produce a show?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
He was out there in front obviously the dating's place,
not set up in the back. One more thing on
the production Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know if
you caught this either. They probably could have done something
different with the trios match, with the street fight, with
the demand versus the hurts and get would have been

(50:55):
a perfect time to bust out a picture and picture
to have two cameramen and some go double screen to
be able to keep track of all the chaos, because
I feel like there's so much going on that when
AEW tries to do like a single camera, we end
up missing a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Hold on, are you saying that Brian Danielson, the American
effing Dragon, was being less than genuine when during that
very match he went out of his way to compliment
the production team for not missing a move and we're
able to see everything at what a great job they're
doing that there might have actually been stuff we were missing.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Wow, I'm a tool on a tool.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
There are times I'm like what, I like Danielson a
commentary overall, but there are moments where I don't think
he gets stuff, Like I don't remember what it was exactly,
but but during one of the Kallus family matches, Don
Challis just says something something so condescending to him and

(52:02):
flip it, and Danielson goes into this long explanation trying
to answer the flippant question like it was something serious.
Wait wait, wait what.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, when he was going through strategy, I think had
a part.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, yeah, may have been, but yeah whatever. I enjoyed
Title Tuesday despite the lack of title matches. They are
taping Collision Wednesday, which is when we drop it will
air Saturday. You'll get a Triangle of Madness versus Statlander,
Harley Cameron and Tony Storm. Eddie Kingston will beat Beast

(52:38):
Mortas Unfortunately, Coda Abushi versus Josh Alexander. That's probably be
a good match. Meghan Bain and FTR versus Jet Speed
and Willow Nightingale, Big Bill and Brian Keith versus Max
Caster and Anthony Bowen's and Take Conti and Anna j
will also be in action.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And then next week we will be previewing the Dream
Wrestle Dream.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Sorry, I believe we also get a three hour Dynamite
next week.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Three hour Dynamite. You got two of the Saturday Collision
being taken off because of Wressel Dream, Right, you get it.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
You got a two and a half hour plus Dynamite
this past week, and you get a three hour when
next week.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
So there you go, Like, I like, I like what
we're seeing in I'll bring this up.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Real quick because I harped on it's so much during
their their run at the former ECW Arena. Not a
huge fan of the look at Daily's place. But I
will say this Daily's Place is their air quotes here
their home, that's where they went during the pandemic. That's

(53:51):
where they basically lived during all that. So at least
it makes sense when they're there. Like again, I understand
why they did the ECW Arena then a star factor.
I don't think we needed three weeks of it. And
I hope they never go back there for TV again.
But I get it. At least with Daily's place, that's

(54:11):
Aw's place, whereas AW what was going into ECW's place,
you know, like if they did an ECW reunion, I'm
fine with ECW being at the ECW Arena. I don't
need to see ECW at Daily's place, you know. So
I mean, I get it. I understand why they're at
Daily's place and all that, and it does make sense.

(54:32):
It's still not the greatest look in the world.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Well, even Daili's place not the greatest look in the world.
The Wednesday before when they did Seminal Hard Rock, that's
the greatest look in the world. But because of the
theater aspect of both venues, but the actual capacity and
the amount of audience that they had in both are
pretty good. Numbers compared to some of the other venues
that they go to. It's just a hard TV look.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I thought they did a really good job last week
of making that not look like a theater. I like that.
I thought the Daily's place aspects stood out. When Jurassic
Express came out, That's when I was like, this was
a missed opportunity. This is why they should have had
their first match last week when there were more people there. Look,

(55:16):
it was a good crowd, Don't get me wrong, I'm
not saying all that, but when that moment, when everybody's
singing and all that, you wanted a bigger crowd, and
I think that it especially stood out there. I was
when I originally brought this up. I was just speaking
more than the overall look, but crowd size. They should

(55:38):
have had Jurassic Express last week instead of this week.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
And I'm still telling you, if Tony Kahan wants to
go back and do a residency at the twenty three
hundred Arena, I'm all for it. For Ring of Honor.
Now make that Ring of Honors home. That'd be a
great idea. And I don't know how much we want
to dive off into this, but I think there's a
renovation coming to the Jacksonville Jaguars Stadium, which Daily Place

(56:03):
is attached to, So it'll be interesting to see if
there is any upgrades or renovations done there with what's
going on in Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, maybe possible.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I don't know if it will affect any of the
look for us or anything, but it is a possibility
to be aware of. We're gonna hop on a long flight,
a long, long, long fight for an early Saturday morning.
Depending where you are in the world, where you're listening
to Uck, maybe it'll be a nice night for you,
but for most of us, it is a really early

(56:39):
morning to see who will walk away with the battle
bull rings. I mean the Crown Jewels.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Is it really that early?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I think it's like six am local time for us,
so eight am Eastern Saturday morning that that feels quite
early for early.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
For they are in Australia. Yeah, w w B in
Australia for Crown Jewel. Because I don't know about you,
but when I think Crown Jewel, I automatically think Australia.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
You know, it is the jewel of whatever ocean is in.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Good job, biker way to sell that sizzle.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
All right, we do have Crown jewels make the steak
look that nice. Well, we're going flat iron here, all right,
flat iron? You know they're already good.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Flat iron steak. Come on, five matches announced. I doubt
we get anything more. Maybe we get one more, but
you know, we talked about five. Seems to be the
sweet spot for WWE premium live events that aren't WrestleMania,
Summer Slam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble not being said, the

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matches are intriguing, you get, Oh, let's just work our
way up. Roman Reigns versus Bronson Reed in an Australian
street fight. Criikey, Micah, criikey, Wait that's happening. Yeah, did
you not watch all this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, I watched raw. Maybe I didn't listen to Roman
and Reigns that much, or maybe I'm just too locked
in on the mindset that Bronson Reed is a tag
team wrestler. I mean, and maybe I got that conception
from the constant amount of tag team matches we've seen
him in with bron Breaker, So I just look at
them as a tag team. So it took me off

(58:31):
guard thinking about, oh yeah, this tag team wrestler has
a high profile singles match, suddenly say.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I don't look at them as tag team wrestlers. Now
they're part of a group, so obviously they team. Yeah.
Why why wouldn't you have the shoe thief versus the
shoe king the shoe chief? I guess if you will.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Why is he a shoe chief because he's a.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Tribal chief and he's Bronson Rici stealing his shoes because
he's got quite the collection.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I guess, well, we're going to the right place to
do a shoey.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Oh god, I hope we don't see a shoeye. But yes,
Roman Rains.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
On time since we brought up a shoey.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, Roman Rains Bronson Reid Australian street fight. I can
only assume Roman Rains is gonna win here.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I'm conflicted. It's in Australia and Bronson reads from New Zealand.
That's basically home field advantage. This is WWE where things
like that don't matter though.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
This is where you embarrassed the hell out of Jim
Ross and Oklahoma. This is where you have Rick Flair
losing Charlotte. This is where you tell everybody you're gonna
have John Cena's last match in his hometown of Boston,
and then you swerve them and say Nope, we're doing
it in DC instead. They don't really care that much
about home field advantage.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I guess Roman rains Goets still win. I don't know. Yeah,
it's Broun, it's Bronson Reid. What is beating Bronson Reed
do for Roman Reigns? We expect he should be able
to do this. He's beat brock Lesner before. If it
was a shoe on a pole match, maybe that would
make it interesting from all the time his kicks have
gotten stolen. But yeah, go go lay down your tribal mission,

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show us that you can beat one of Seth Rawlin's henchmen.
This kind of feels like I understand what they're trying
to do for Bronson Reid, but in an abstract way,
this is like a main event of a Monday Night
Raw where Roman is working his way up to Seth
instead of a actual PLA match. Not trying to disrespect
Bronson Reid, but just saying the normal circumstance of this storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, look, I could see a scenario where there's outside
interference and somehow Bronson Reed gets to win. I just
don't really see it happening.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Maybe Breaker gets involved.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Does that lead to Oh, I think that's I think
it's a safe bet. Breaker gets involved, Paul Hayman gets involved,
hell Seth Rollins might get involved even though he's busy
A little later in the evening, Yeah, I could see
all of them getting involved if we're being on. I mean,
that's kind of what they do, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
So Roman Reigns is gonna come out and have a
Roman Reigns match. But at least now the stipulations make
it possible for all of everything that Roman Reigns normally
has happened for it to all be legal. We won't
even have to knock down the referee this time for
all the chaos to ensue. But I still go with
why is Jimmy mad at his tribal chief and why

(01:01:40):
is he so disrespectful to his tribal chief?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Jimmy needs to take a hard look in the mirror.
He's out shined by cousin brother Whatever the fuck Roman
is to him, I forget it gets a little convoluted.
He's out shined by brother Jay. He's a tag team
wrestler without a real tag team partner now because his
brother is a clips naim. He's not successful as a single,

(01:02:05):
so he's bitter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
He's upset and and let me get this straight, and
he really cares about La Knight for some reason. I
don't I don't get why he cares about La Knight,
Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Somebody's got to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Is Jimmy a less energy, more depressive Willow Nightingale for
w from ae W he's trying to be friends with
But he's trying to be because he wants to be
the right hand man of Roman reigns. But he also
wants to be the conscience to Jay Usso. But he

(01:02:43):
also wants to be the best friend to l A. Knight.
He wants to be everything to everyone. And that's what
Willow Knightingal can be in AW. It's just what Jimmy
is trying to be in WWE.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
You've put way more thought into Jimmy Usso than anybody
not named Jimmy USA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I'll stop.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I don't know, No, I mean, that's fine, dude. I
go off on long rambling tangents about Dan Housen almost
every week. You didn't think I was gonna bring him
up this week? Did you ha fuck you? I sure
did so. I mean, I get it. I'm just I'm like,
I don't know, man, I don't at least people like
Dan Housen. I don't know anybody who goes to a

(01:03:29):
wrestling show or a convention to see fucking Jimmy Uso.
And I just needs, maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Needs to listen to the older elder, the final boss.
He needs to know his role, shut his damn mouth
and stop talking back to Jayan Roman because they've won
world titles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Rhea, Ripley and Eosky take on the Kabuki Warriors. I
don't care. I shouldn't say that, but it's not that
I don't care. I'm just not inter just in this match.
It just seems like it's there because well, we had
four matches, we need five, Let's do this one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
This is all convoluted. Makes my head hurt. Edo would
rather have a best friend in Rhea who wants to
stab her in the back of the minute she achieves
anything than be evil with a family that would want
to see or achieve greatness. I think we're not getting that, Edo.
Heel turn.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I don't know where.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
The abuse of Oscar Kyrie Saint relationship goes. Maybe Itedo
does still turn, but more than likely Ito and Ria
win because we need to set up Itto and Riea
versus Charlotte and her tag partner Bestie, because we need

(01:04:51):
Alexa Bliss. Yeah, we need a big time women's tag
match somewhere down the road. I don't do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
John Cena versus Aj Styles. I'm assuming John Cena's last
match in Australia, AJ Styles the opponent. I think this
will be a really good fun match. Sena lost his
last match to brock Lessener at a pl E. I
don't see him losing again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah, John Cena will beat AJ Styles. I don't think
he's losing in his last match in Australia. This is
a nice match that the fans forced. They wanted to
see AJ and John work again. I wish we'd see
AJ beat up John Cena, but AJ's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Singles match for the WWE Women's Crown Jewel Championship, Stephanie Vakure,
the Women's A All Champion, takes on Tiffany Stratton, the
SmackDown Women's Champion. This sounds terrible. Just flip a coin.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I have Stephanie Vancouver winning because that's my hope, because
he is the better worker and the better wrestler.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Tiffany Stratton will win. But I agree with you that's
what they should do. Men's Crown Jewel Championship. Cody Rhodes
takes on seth Rollins. Now, Cody won last year's Crown
Jewel Championship. Am I correct on this? I believe? So

(01:06:24):
does he become a Crown Jewel Champ champ. Maybe My
guess is we get a lot of interference in this
one as well, and seth Rollins pulls out the win.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
They've been adamant about what would happen if seth Rawlins loses.
I don't feel like you can lose. Seth Rawlins gets
the victory, High Jinks, Shenanigans, Jinkies, he gets the win
hooker by crook. A clean win would be too much
of an achievement, and he's a heel. It's not gonna

(01:06:57):
happen that way. It's gonna be dirty. Seth Rawlins takes
the ring, and then we'll kind of move on to
getting Cody Rhodes against somebody else and just move up
ye and we can stop having finally having a bron
breaker and Bronson Reid in the main event of SmackDown

(01:07:17):
and Raw.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I don't know why you keep hating on Bronson, Reid
and bron Breaker so much. Bron Breaker is the future
WWE has told us is a future WrestleMania main eventter
and bron Breaker, Bronson Reid, big and posing, blah blah blah.
You gotta make Seth Rowlins Lackeys look strong.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Because of my opinion, there should be enough depth to
a WWE roster that no way, especially in an era
of brand separation, should we really have the same guys
in the Raw and smack Down main events. And I
know it's even a brand separation, soft brand separation. It's
shelled this. You don't need to be like seth Rawlins

(01:07:59):
faction with the bloodline and then they're over here, involved
over here. It's back then and involved here and involved there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
There are cots hold on, there are cotton balls that
are like, damn, that's the rough ass damn brand separation
right there. That ain't a saft separation a man, there
is no brand separation. It's brought up, you know, when
it fits their needs. But yeah, dude, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Every so often you'll hear what are they doing here
that from?

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
No, I know, I know, when it suits their needs,
it's time to and look, wwe should embrace this as well.
It's time to give up the brand separation. Nobody buys it.
Every time there's a draft. Oh, it's for real this time.
Brand separation one show, one show only, never ever, ever,
ever lasts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Why do we have separate general managers for each show?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I don't know, dude, you're askingquestion. I don't have the
answer to my man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
For a company that honestly is so concerned about budgets,
two authority figures seems like a vast overspenditure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I mean, I'm fine with it. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
You know, no, I don't care. A different shows the
corporate perspective, worrying about their money, how they could maximize profit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
You got them, both of you. You're not getting rid of
either one of them, so you may as well put
them to work. That's maximum money. Well, yeah, but you're
not getting rid of either one of them. I don't
know why not. I don't know, you're just not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Okay, cool, you don't know why not? That's that's exactly well, yeah,
exactly how much I didn't I didn't say it was sound.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, I didn't say it was sound logic, Micah. I
just said you're not getting rid of either one of them,
and that's fine. I guess somebody's got to be a
thirty figure out over both shows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So seth rawl Yeah, they could have one authority figure
over both.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
No, then you buy an extra plane tickets, a fly
raw guy to SmackDown vice versa. No, it's easier this way, man, So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Seth rawlins definitely. John Cena, Unfortunately you're going Stratton. I'm
going Vancourt with a hope Roman Reigns probably gets the victory.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, I don't know if we're really looking at any
dynamic surprises from the Crown Jewel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Probably not, but that's fine. Eight am Eastern Time on
the expensive ass ESPN streaming platform, not the less expensive Plus,
which isn't even plus anymore. It's called something else now
it's it hurts my head. I don't know, but yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
I don't know what to do besides on the show
with laughter.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Well, I mean we keep going. I can talk more,
d I can talk more Dan Housen, Oh yeah, go
for it. You see my sweet new Dan housing t
shirt I was ready the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Did that come from Dwan Housing dot com?

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Or that came from Pro Wrestling Teas dot Com? That
was the couple of weeks ago, the Friday one hour deal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Nice h dan Houson's still out there pushing merchandise like crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Oh he ain't got to push it. It just sells.
It just leaps off the shelves. Man. That's I'd have
to count it up. I'm guessing that's about T shirt
number twenty two or twenty three of dan Housen than
I have. I am single handedly supporting the dan Housen family.
He's got a new baby. You're welcome for those diapers,
dan Housen, You're welcome. Welcome for those wipes, those those

(01:11:51):
sweet bottles with the nipples that prevent the thing babies
get that. I forget. And I've got a damn baby
and can't remember like mouth out or something. I forget
what the fuck it is. It's not mouthcout anyway. If
you know, you know, or if you know you don't know,
like me, I don't know. But yeah, AnyWho, you're welcome
Dad Housing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Crown Jewel this week and everybody early ass in the morning,
like Carlisle said, try to figure out how to watch it.
If you're able to, it might be too expect It's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Easy to figure out how to watch. Yeah, it's easy
to figure outw to watch. The hard part is plucking
down the money. If you don't really want to spend
thirty bucks a month on ESPN Unlimited.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Or for just Crown Jewel.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I would not do a monthly subscription for Crown Jewel.
That's just me. If you would, hey, that's your prerogative.
I ain't here to question.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Let me know if you would that frankl Micah and
next week, guys, look forward to our recap of Crown
Jewel and our preview of Russell Dream.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
You could have not laughed when you said look forward
to our recap of Crown Jewel. But that's all right.
You get the show out at at pw After Hours.
You can get me at real Mike Carlisle, We will
talk to you next week for another episode of Pro
Wrestling After Hours here on the After Hours Podcast Network