Ep 317: AEW Blood and Guts Delivers. Full Gear Preview.

Episode 317: We look back at AEW Blood and Guts.  A Preview of this Saturday's Full Gear PPV. Survivor Series is coming together. 














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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, everybody, Welcome back to Pro Wrestling After Hours. I'm
Michael Carlisle, joined as always by Micah Franko. Micah, I
was shaken, man, my.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Full gear of blooding guts.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Dude, blooding guts. Now it ain't for everybody. I thought
that was a phenomenal show last week for AW Dynamite.
We're certainly going to talk about that. AW has Full
Gear coming up this week on pay per view, so
we got lots to get to. I will give everybody
a heads up. We will work some wwe talk in,

(00:45):
but probably not going to be a lot coming off
of Aw's blooding Guts and with the Full Gear pay
per view, there's a really safe bet that's going to
dominate the conversation today. So just to give you a
heads up. If you're tuning in wanting to you're the
latest on the John Cena retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Tour, well, real quick we can touch on it. There's
been a lot of speculation. I saw it online. We
were brought into the conversation and I can assure everybody
we had no prior inside information, There was no insider trading.
We were not tipped off by Triple Ah to beforehand
his damn writing is just that predictable that we knew

(01:26):
who were going to be on the wargames teams. We
are not involved in any betting scandal.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
No, which is pretty damn clairvoyant.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Quite not.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
And no, you're right, it was kind of easy to
see where it was going. But yeah, we were not
to pat ourselves on the back because you're right, it
wasn't that hard, but we weren't pretty spot on on that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I just assume me if I want to be a
little bit challenged by my entertainment. I don't know if
this is going to be too harsh, but like, have
you got the feeling that the construct like aw's a
little wild, but uh, the construct of WW you might
used to see like it was a picture, and I'm
talking about like you go to the museum and it's

(02:07):
it's framed and it's a it's a nice picture because
there were things that made sense and and there were
borders and not to be grotesque or anything, but WW
is a blob right now, Like like you remember the
movie Flubber, how that thing could kind of just bend
and morph into any shape it wanted to be at
any point just because it could that feels a little

(02:28):
bit more like WWE nowadays.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Flubber Did you really say flubber?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Wow? I said flubber because I didn't know if you
know what ghak is, because that's what I used to
play with when I was a kid. It's like moon
shaped ghak, I think is what they called it.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, I don't know what a gack is. You you
did well going with flubber. I think it's just more
paint by numbers, which look, I mean it works for him,
but I'm with you. I I like a little surprise,
a little mystery. Now now you're ww fans will tell you, well,
they gave you that last week John Cena won the

(03:02):
IC title. Who saw that coming? All right? Who saw
that coming? But we didn't see that coming because it
wasn't needed. But sure, Yeah, it just seems very paint
by numbers, step A to step B to step C
one two, three.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, my flubbering was more like injuries aren't injuries, Suspensions
aren't suspensions. Rules aren't rules that we know of until
they tell us the rules that they created. That's where
I feel like it's fluid, it's flubber. It could be
anything we want at any time. Paul Hayman could come
out next week and tell us he is the Queen
of Egypt and we're all gonna believe him on WWE

(03:42):
TV because it's just as good. I mean, this guy's injured,
that guy's not injured. Hey, he's suspended, but he's not
suspended because I'm putting him in this match. Okay, cool,
Then he's not suspended for the match. No, no, no,
he's not suspended for all match related functions and activities.
The fudge, Like again, they just kind of flubber things
out of the air whatever they needed. It feels like, now, yeah,

(04:05):
look to be fair.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
At least they're not doing a million dollar trios match
on a pay per view.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh I am so happy with that, because what else
do we wrestle for besides money and violence and prestige.
You need something in there to you do not intrigue
the athletes.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I love we get a goddamn money tag team match
every fucking week. Mike at aw Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because dude's got to get paid.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, no, we just need a reason for the young
bucks to keep losing, and the rare times they win,
they go and piss away that money. It's it's worn
out as welcome. I digress. We'll get to aw full
gear in a bit. I do want to start, Mike,
if you're cool with it, with Blood and Guts last week, because,
like I said at the outset, I understand those type
of matches aren't for everybody, and aw if we're being fair,

(04:55):
maybe comes awful close to doing too much blood and
guts and key stuff. I'd like to see them scale
that back a little bit, just to make it mean
more when they do it. But I enjoyed the hell
out of the show from Greensboro last week. Both the
Blood and Guts matches I thought were phenomenal if you're
into those type of matches. That they squeezed the Hobbs

(05:19):
Hangman match there in between as well, which I enjoyed,
But I thought Blood and Guts was great.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That might have been one of the best extreme rules
of pay per views I've seen in years. Oh wait, sorry,
wrong company doing that, But that's just the feeling that
you get from it. I text you, and I truly
believe that was the greatest women's extreme style match I've
ever witnessed. That far in a way exceeded my expectations.

(05:48):
I feel like it's an easy statement to say sky
Blue stepped out of the shadow. We've had the conversation
in our pro Wrestling group where it felt like you
could see tacklea We've seen the evolutions in Jamie Hayter,
and there was a lot of feeling that during the
time injured that sky Blue took a step back. I think,

(06:11):
I said, Jamie Hayter mean Julia Hart, that sky Blu
had kind of taken a step back, and the way
she becomes now the poster woman for that match, I
think she stepped back into the forefront where you kind
of truly feel all three points of the triangle matter
as much as the other.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I think all the women involved in that gave it
their all and went out of their way to have
the best possible match. And regardless of your thoughts on
those women individually and their place in aaw the effort, man,
holy shit, pretty much, they were all bloody, they all

(06:54):
had superficial injuries coming out things like that, But that
was just a hell of a match. I thought they
all did phenomenal. Plus you saw some things that you
haven't seen in blood and guts matches before, and quite honestly,
maybe you couldn't like when they were slipping out between
the the girders to to get to the outside of

(07:15):
the cage and and things like that. It was just
it was a very unique match. And again, look, if
you tell me that ain't my kind of thing, and
it's certainly it in my kind of thing with women's wrestling,
I can understand that, and I can appreciate that hang
out until we get to the next match. But I
will tell you, for this type of match, I don't

(07:37):
think this could have gone any better than it did.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was spectacular. I love you Sting, But shout out
to Mina Shirakawa for finally swinging a bat like I
think somebody said, swing it. She was in there just
kind of chopping away and hitting people. I got a
bar by er bat that made sense how she implemented
her utensil of destruction. And everyone did very well in

(08:03):
the match. I don't think there was anyone that comes
out looking lesser. I thought that the now utilization of
going outside the cage, just not on top of the cage.
Very well designed. Stat Lander and Monete get taken out
in a very artistic way. Neither one of them looks

(08:24):
weaker and you're able to still perpetuate that they kind
of destroyed each other to get there, and then the finish.
The only thing that I thought about the finish was
I was surprised that Tony Storm had to surrender. I
thought Mina Sharkawa in a choke was just eventually gonna

(08:45):
go out, and that would kind of be the end.
She's being whipped, she's being choked, she just passes out.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I look, if I'm being completely honest, I would have
done the finish differently with Storm, with Mina telling Storm,
don't know, I'm fine, and then yes, passing out, getting
choked out, whatever, I would have done it like that.
If you want to tell me it was a tad
anti climactic with Tony Storm quitting on behalf of Mina.

(09:16):
I won't to argue with you on that, but I
thought this match was so good that even if that
finish did leave a little bit of a bad taste
in your mouth, it was okay. It at least made
sense from a storyline purpose even if you didn't like it,
So I didn't have any real problems with that. But
I just thought this was phenomenal and it far and

(09:38):
away exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It gives so many legs and avenues to extend the storyline,
and no one looked weaker. You get the win when
half of the team is incapacitated outside of the cage
and you've alienated so few people against so many people.
The psychology was there. It made sense. We still have

(10:04):
now the focal between Mercedes and Statlander, and then this
is a huge runway to continuing the Tag Team Tournament,
which very small part. I thought that the Winds are
and tag team debut this weekend on Collision, that they

(10:31):
look really good as a team. The other team who
appreciates their three minutes, who were starting to now see
more on TV, obviously getting a rub for playing ball.
I think that we're starting to see a nice little
development there with the Tag Team tournament. And I liked
how that woman blooding guts match you play over into
the promos that Tony Storm is dishing out on Collision.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
With you on that again, I thought everybody over delivered.
Mercedes Monet handing out her belts to her teammates to
use his weapons. It was a nice touch, you know,
when you've got a dozen belts like that. The bed
of nails with Marina Shaffir knocking stat Lander into uh yeah.

(11:19):
And look, if this type of match ain't your thing,
nothing we say here is going to change your mind.
And I understand that and I can respect it. But
holy shit, Holy Harley with the damn brass knuckles. Harley
camer with the brass knuckles inside of the Monet puppet.
That was that. That was a cool touch as well.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
That was just so much there, and the little touch
at the end. I liked that Marina was not celebrating
outside the cage with the rest of the team already,
I'm going back off my way. That's my egsit. You
guys go that way. You're all more friends. I still
like how there's an alliance and a in an agreement
between her in Vain, but they haven't fully flipped Marina

(12:03):
into just being a part of that overwhelming heal faction.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
And how about Marina Shafir. She takes the shoes off
early on they're in the ring. She stomps her feet
into the glass, so she was a mina. She was kicking.
I don't remember she was kicking now, but yeah, got
the glass, Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was again a nice
touch as.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, nice touch, making the same for your partner, and
you got some people, well, why is she putting her
foot in the glass, because then driving that glass into
your opponent's chest is gonna hurt. And she's such a
badass her foot doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And sometimes you got to go through pain to inflict pain.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
That match was, it was beautiful destruction.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
It was again, I wouldn't want to see it every week.
If you want to tell me, maybe that should have
been on a pay per view instead of a Wednesday
night on TV show. I could entertain that argument as well.
But you can say the same thing about the whole
damn show. But yeah, that was just that match should

(13:09):
not have been that good, but it was.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Not to beat anything up. But we can switch out
Wrestle Dream for Blooding Guts on pay per view and
flip those two and make a Wrestle Dream a TV
special and something like Blooding Guts feels premium.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
You know what, Not only would I not have a
problem with that, I think that actually makes a lot
of sense. Look exactly, yeah, you know, but for those
who don't like those type of matches, and I get
it that, Look, they're not for everybody. You'll put it
on pay per view if you like that sort of thing,
by the pay per view. If not, you can still
tune in on Wednesday for Dynamite or Saturday for Collision

(13:49):
and not have to be subjected to those type of matches.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
And just me being sour, Tony Kahn take it as
a challenge blooding guts from A to B. See, we'll
get to get through. It was beautiful. You need to
put that kind of focus and intention on just the
Battle for the Belts brand that you also run on
TV as kind of a special event, because that one

(14:16):
always feels like it's an hour add in with matches
that are just slopped together. This proved how dynamic and
well off fixating on an event and making it feel
special on TV can have an outcome.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
YEP, I would agree with you wholeheartedly on that. To
have some filler between the two blood and Guts matches,
you get Hangman Page versus Powerhouse, Hobbs, falls count anywhere
in this one. A little bit of a tough spot
between a couple of blood and guts matches, But for

(14:52):
what this was, I enjoyed the heck out of this
match as well. And look, the reality was you're wetting
the appetite a little more for the pay per view
and Joe and Hangman, so the match kind of was
what it was, but they were all over the place.
You had the big fall from Powerhouse Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Crazy, my spine and my neck don't work. After watching
Powerhouse Hobbs take that back body drop to the canvas,
I thought he was never gonna walk again. That was
that was insane and not knocking the falls count anywhere matches,
but it almost feels like Powerhouse Hobs might be one

(15:32):
of the few guys that's too big to get into
the crowd because he's so wide. No matter when he's
turning walking up the steps, it feels like he's knocking
out everybody next to him and kind of got to
push the fans back. But I really feel like he's
coming around and improving in leaps and bounds being around
Joe and Shabbata as an in ring performer. I really

(15:54):
did like the match. It held its own in a
card where it really is the lesser of the three matches.
And then I liked how we got the story afterwards
with Shabata and Joe with the sneak attack, and then
you get the save by the garbage Man and his son.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You mean Hook and Eddie Kingston?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh, sorry, the garbage Man and his nephew. Sorry, Taz,
I will not mispirt your name. Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Hey, let me ask you. So the cage goes all
the way down and it's Kingston, Hook and a Hangman
in the cage. Did you think for a second Eddie
and Hook were about to turn on Hangman and be
aligned with the with the ops.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I split second, Yeah, but I didn't think it was
really gonna happen after just the sixth Man tag. That
felt way too wwe if we just fought, but we're
really actually all in alliance. But yeah, I know it.
It did cross my mind for a second or that
they would just go to business for themselves. Why went

(17:01):
it hang Man just being a triple threat match against
Kingston and Samoajo at the next pay per view instead
of a straight up one on one with Samojo.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, we got the the FTR deal with Ricky Steamboat
and all that. It was fine for what it was.
To me. This was the low part of the show. Now,
the rest of the show was pretty high, so I'm
not necessarily shitting on this segment, but I will say
it felt very unnecessary, and I felt bad for Ricky Steamboat,

(17:33):
but not in the way that aw wanted me to
feel bad for him. If you get my drift.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Now, we're all there, we all fully believe in that
like he he doesn't seem like he needs to be
on camera things for coming out a little slow, and
I think that DA's clowning him for things coming out
slow was impromptu trying to fill in the the holes

(18:01):
in the story.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I almost wonder if Steamboat. I almost wonder if Steamboat
wasn't intentionally being that slow with his delivery and being
that awkward just to kind of set that up. I
look not that Steamboat was ever great on the mic,
but I did kind of wonder about that. I don't know,
but that segment could have been a lot shorter and

(18:24):
we could have gotten to the Brodido part a whole
lot quicker.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
It feels like we could have It feels like we
know what was happening, we know it was led up.
I thought that Broddo looked great putting in an offense
against FTR that play it out beautifully. I think we
both have a good inclination where this is rounding out too.
That FTR is coming back up to the top of

(18:50):
the mountain, and it's a great way to get heat,
to have beloved legends take bumps from asshole heels. So
that's kind of pretty paint by numbers, and I think
they got the desired result, but it almost felt like
if he didn't play the role too well, we're all
concerned about Ricky Steamboat in that moment.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, let's see. Then we had
the the attack in the parking lot, the Callus family
taking out Jurassic Express telling the young Bucks they need
to join the family. Next week. I'm assuming this week
we're going to see the Bucks join the don Kallis

(19:32):
family officially again.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I guess so it would only make sense ahead of
the pay per view are what are our options here?
The Bucks have a conscience, they think what was happened
to Jack and Lucasaurus was unfair, but they're so injured
that they can't compete. And the Bucks are then aligning

(19:59):
with a Mega to fight for the million dollars. Well,
hetcha Serro and uh blance archer Mark Davis, I don't
I don't know who's jumping in now to be the
other two callous members with Josh Alexander if the Bucks

(20:20):
don't just align and maybe get a conscience slator.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Since we've already announced a million dollar trios match Omega
and Jurassic Express versus the Bucks at Josh Alexander, it
does feel a little anti tlemactic what their decision is
gonna be on Wednesday night? Right?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Did I look too far down the rabbit hole?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah? Maybe, but yeah, who knows? Who knows? But probably
a pretty safe assumption that that gets official this week.
That gets us to the men's blood and guts match
right off the bat. So Mark Risco gets beaten down

(21:01):
in the back, he can't compete, but he comes out
a little later and seems fine. He's no selling the
hell out of that beatdown that was supposed to keep
him out of this match. Now, I get it, he's
a chicken farmer and he's a bad m effort. But
don't you have to sell that just a little.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Bit chicken adrenaline, I red neck kung fu adrenaline, I
don't know, blooding guts adrenaline. You make a really good case.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
But he seems like a kid, Yeah, he seemed like healthwise,
he was doing pretty excellent.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's like as a kid wondering, how can they let
Mankind get off of this stretcher.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
At least he sold it. I mean Mankind didn't come
back like nothing was wrong. Oh no, that that bump
off the cage. No, I'm fine, that bump through the
top of the cage. No, I'm fine. He was legit
fucked up and sold the hell out of it. I
get it, Mark brisco fake fed up, but still sell
that shit a little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, that was a disappointment and yet only the second
worst moment of Mark Briscoe's week. I didn't love his
promo on Collision either. It felt like he was choking
on some words and some concepts in his mind that
he was trying to get out to the audience. But
you're right, that didn't make sense. I thought you're gonna
more have an issue with Daniel Garcia and Wheeler. You

(22:29):
just starting the match like this is supposed to be important,
and you put them to in there to get beat up.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
I was waiting for them to climb between the cage
like the women did, because they're probably small enough they
could do it.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Orange Cassidy follows Dahn.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Maybe Darby fucking Darby Allen going through the flaming table.
But by the way, real quick, and it was cool,
I guess because I get it. But it's two rings
surrounded by a cage. How the fuck does everybody keep
getting out happen in the women's match, now, look, at
least a couple of them crawled through the cage. But
for a match that's supposed to be inside a big

(23:06):
ass cage, there was a lot of shit going on
outside the cage, just saying.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Because they all realized until Mark Briscoe got in the cage,
no one was locking the fucking door like they had
the man advantage, and still somehow had the last man enter.
And even on commentary, they're like John Moxley screaming through
the cage to be locked. No shit sherlock because the
last man had entered. And you say in the rules

(23:32):
the match does not start until the cage is locked
and the last man has entered. Now, when the women's match,
you're damn right, they just kind of somehow, I don't
know how they got the cage back open after it's
supposed to be locked. But in the men's match, it
at least made a good amount of sense that the
cage door was never locked. It's actually just a gate.

(23:52):
We never had that in WCWNWA days, where they're like,
oh yeah, why are we locking it and unlocking it
each time guys come in? We just closed the handle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
There were some nice touches like that that fed into
guy's gimmicks, like arch Cassidy taking off his sunglasses and
crushing him and using them to stab Wheeler Youda in
the head, which made sense for a guy like arch Cassidy, Well,
why would he break out a barbed wire bat or
something like that. I'll just take off my damn glasses
and stab the motherfucker with that.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It made sense that they freaking staple his hands side
of his pockets. You want your hands in there, well
fucking keep him there.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I like that. I thought that was really cool, But
I'm like, it ain't that god damn hard to rip
your hands out, man, Come on, come on now. Yeah,
so the visual of it, the pain of it, sure,
but just rip your damn hands out, which he eventually did.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
But yeah, like a true inmate out of the asylum,
John Marx, he's stabbing everybody with a fork.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, Yeah, that was forking crazy if you will. I
thought the guy who may have looked best in that match,
I would argue, was Roddy Strong.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh he came it through everybody around.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, great showing for him, And plus you kind of
question how committed he is to the conglomeration and all that.
Storyline wise, things haven't always been good for him in
aw threw no fault of his own, A lot of
it's just situations and injuries and whatnot, not necessarily to him.
But I thought this was a big coming out for

(25:39):
him as well. You mentioned Max with the fork. We
talked about Darby going through the flaming table, which nobody
seemed to care about afterwards, you know, after they get
to win, nobody's like, hey, let's go to the back end.
See how our good pal Darby's doing. Now let's just
stay here in the ring and celebrate. Yeah, I'm sure
he's fine.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
You don't concolmemorate like that man, and he don't conglomerate.
But we've got tasers. Hey, we did have a sighting
of a certaint war dog again, Gabe kid back all
of a sudden, So we got tasers, we got crashing
through tables. Poor Wheeler unter for not going through the

(26:18):
table the first time Roddy sent to me, he sure
made sure he went through it. The second time. Daniel
Garcia at least bounced off enough to look dead. Brutal, brutal,
the physicality displayed by Roderick Strong. And then I almost

(26:38):
can't blame Mocksley for tapping. The poor men's chest is
just being ravaged as he's being dragged through glass and
your ankles being ripped on beautiful story of culmination coming.
I don't think we ever saw. We've been hungry for
Mark Brisco to take a step forward, and I had

(26:59):
thrown out at you, Kyle, O'Reilly. It kind of seems
to come around to the story. We weren't paying attention
to Kyle getting his revenge, as he pointed out bloody
in the promo backstage on Collision right, you ruin my neck.
I made you tap finally.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, and you know they've been building to that for
the last couple of weeks, with the matches that he
and Moxley have had, so all that made sense. I
like that a lot. If I'm the rest of the
Death Riders, I got to be questioning why the hell
I'm still listening to mox because he's the one that
keeps coming up short. If I'm Wheeler, you do, I'm like, fuck,

(27:42):
I think I've got more wins in the last two
months than John Moxley does. Well, what's wrong with this picture?
I still think the days of the death Riders in
this iteration are short and coming to an end. I
think they're all going to turn on Moxley at some point.

(28:03):
I thought we might see that at the end Wednesday Night.
It makes sense why we didn't. A I think they
were running a little long and be you want to
have that moment with the conglomeration they're celebrating, So I
get all that. But I think that Wednesday Night got
us another step closer to Moxley and the Death Writer's

(28:24):
parting ways.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I could see that being the case. Claudio looks strong
every time we see him. I feel like, out of
the big men, they might do the best job of well.
He loses consistently, making it feel like this guy's a problem.
This guy is going to hurt you if you're lucky

(28:47):
enough to get by him. It's not like anybody beats Claudia.
I feel like they've done a really good job also
with the repackaging the long Pants. I don't know why
the long pants outside the why the end of our
outside the long Pan singlet, But Pack's rocking it and
he feels fearsome once again. I know it's just a
shit trios win on collision, but his impact on the mic,

(29:12):
his aggression, I feel like, well Moxley is lesser. Claudio
and Pac have done a good job to maintain their
badassness and maybe even increase it a little bit over
the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Let me because this bugged the shit out of me.
During the main event, remember a pay per viewer go
or two, Brian Danielson wasn't on commentary and the reason was, well,
he's too close to the death Rider's situation, he's too
emotional what we don't want him to be there for that,
So he's not on commentary for this pay per view right,

(29:52):
Why the fuck was he on commentary for Dynamite Blood
and Guts sitting ringside during the Blood and Guts match
involving the death Right.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Because Daddy Magic is also too close to this and
for some reason, we just don't bring out ian Rick
Abani enough.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
You could have brought out Tony Shavanni. You could have
brought out Nigel mcguinnis. You could have brought him both out.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's an inconsistency. That's why I was wondering if that
was to maybe lead us in the in that illusion
that we're having closer? Could he return the focal point
as they turn on mox Like, why else would he
be out there? At least that was an illusion that
I let my mind walk into a couple of times.

(30:40):
Maybe he's here because the lights are gonna go out,
They're gonna come out. Daniel's not here a cop, he said,
the ring? What is he doing in the ring? Ah?

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Let me ask you this because this popped into my head. Now,
let me preface this with I think Jericho's done with
aw I don't think he's coming back. Could you see
a scenario where he comes back as the new leader
of the Death Riders.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Not after he had glowing reviews of Impact Wrestling on
his podcast. That kind of felt like a low blow,
like the low blow that you take when you go
from seven thousand people to two hundred people at your
venue to watch your wrestling show and you still call
them a giant. I like the thought of a Jericho

(31:30):
from the perspective of a surprise of someone that you
can take serious. I guess it would take a little
bit to kind of wash off some of that stink
where we feel like he's a cartoon character now and
make him a Death Rider leader. But he has that cachet.
I just don't think he's long for AW.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I don't either. To be fair, Jericho was specifically talking
about the TNA pay per view versus aw's residency at
the ECW Arena, and by the way, way he wasn't
necessarily wrong, but say he just did that to kind
of throw people off the set. Oh, Jericho's definitely gone.

(32:10):
He ain't coming back. He wouldn't be above that. I
just meant strictly from the perspective of, could you buy Jericho,
who likes to change his personas in a role where
he's the new leader of the Death Riders, kicking out
Moxley and all that. I mean, honestly, I think he
could pull it off. I do think he's done. I

(32:31):
think we probably see him back in WWE sometime next year.
But if he's not done, if this is all a
big ruse and a swerve, no Prince Nanna but just
a swerve. Could you buy into Jericho as the hypothetical
new leader of the Death Rids.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Real quick, real quick? Yeah? I don't mean a harp
on this, But why didn't Jericho just go ahead and
compare aw and wimbleed NXT in full sale. I'm talking
about fucking their biggest pay per view versus their smallest residency.
I don't know how you get that as a comparable

(33:10):
example in your mind. We do MMA after Hours here
on the After Hours podcast Network. We don't dare literally
say the APEX audience is quite small compared to the
one at Madison Square Garden. Right the shit are you
talking about Chris Jericho? That felt like an obscure shot
to be taken. I digress. Maybe I think we could.

(33:32):
I think that Jericho could come in there. The Death
Writers might have a slightly different feel. But if you
watch the recent Chris Jericho Fozzy music videos that are
on the internet, I believe you can see a little
more rocker, a little more finesse, and you could take
away some of the sequence and he could transition into
being that kind of ring leader.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
On the subjects of the Death Riders and all that
we saw on dynamite blood and guts Mark brisco the
aftermath of him being taken out, presumably by the Callous Family,
except on collision, the Callous Family says it wasn't them.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Maybe it was the young Bucks returning the favor. Maybe
it was e E pushing a piano onto Mark brisco
How dare you not have me a blooding goods? I
am more involved in this collaboration than Darby Allen and
he gets the match.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
That's actually funny. Yeah, I don't know a little intrigue.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Who knows who would be trying to butter up Kyle
Fletcher at this point. I mean, real life, it might
be Sky of Blue, but this isn't wwees. I don't
think she's just gonna become Sky Pink and start standing
next to Kyle Fletcher.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
And being more dominant than Fletcher.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I who do you think? Someone close? And it feels
like maybe there was a Okada Okada. I'm gonna think
Okada took al Mark Briscoe because he's trying to diminish
to Mark Briscoe to get in the good graces of

(35:15):
Kyle Fletcher, to make Kyle Fletcher less on the side
of Takeshna.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
M JF, MJF Maxwell, Jacob Freedman.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh yeah, the mortal enemy of Briscoe who's away filming
a movie. So yeah, easily to write him into that
storyline as he didn't do it because we haven't seen him. Shit,
I left out the obvious one. I just gave you
a layup because mine we're all off the wall.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I mean other than that, I don't know who
it could have been, you know, especially currently on the roster. Wise,
I don't know. Now, I guess you could make most day.
He makes sense, But off the top of my head,
nobody really jumps out out me if it really wasn't
a member of the Kallis family. MJF makes a lot
of sense. I guess.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I like MJF. I like that thought. You're probably right,
unless way so long that I forgot about him. That's
why he makes even more sense.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Unless, while we're all busy speculating about Moxley and the
Death Riders, maybe Roddy Strong's making his power play to
take over the conglomeration and make them a little tougher.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
More likely, Roddy Strong takes over the conglomeration or MJF
takes over the Death Riders.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Roddy Strong takes over the Conglomeration. I don't see MJF
taking over the Death Riders. Micah ae W has their
Full Gear pay per view this weekend. It's this Saturday.
They're at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey, second
straight Full Gear being held there as we tape on Tuesday.

(37:01):
And I'm certain we'll get a couple more on Dynamite
this week. But nine matches announced so far that does
include the pre show. You want to start there? You
want to start Maine and work your way back. How
do you want to do this? Man Boom and Doom me,
I don't know what that means. On the Calgate Brawl, Yeah,

(37:26):
let's just start there. It's more fun and that way
we can get that out of the way. Big Boom,
AJ and q T Marshall along.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
With Big Justice, Boom and Doom.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yes take on RPG Vice, Rocky Romero and Trent Barretta.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
A matchup months in the making, Ring of Honor in
the making, Internet Shaking in the making. I think we
know how this is going to play out.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
But to go.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
From sour enemies, I don't think they were really bitter rivals,
but there was a sour to now a eighties tag team.
It's quite the ride for QT Marshall.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Marshall God, I hope this doesn't happen, but I could
totally see him turning on Big Boom aj enjoining the
don Kallis family.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know who's not big enough? The don Kallis Family. Yes,
revive QTV and then we could have that being don
Okada Piston to Keshni's Cheerios again.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I think you need to beef up the don Kallis
family B team just a little bit. Rocky Romero and
Trimperetta can't go out and lose every week. Add somebody
to that. You need the Horace Hogan to the Rocky Romero,
Stevie Ray and the Trimp Bretta Scott Norton.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
If you buy a q T Marshall, do you get
an Aaron solo for free?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
How does Harley Cameron have time to spend time QTV?
Still on Ring of Honor? Harley Cameron Chris Statlander, therapist,
relationship mediator and puppet master.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
She's multifaceted, Micah, She's multifaceted. I don't watch enough Ring
of honor to know other than highlights here and there
are Do they really still do QTV over there?

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, they're still doing some QTV. It pops up every
so often. Wow, they're still backstage that against that must
be uncovered and stories that the public needs to know about.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Interesting. I'm assuming this will be pre show as well,
although since it's a two hundred thousand dollars four way
tag match, maybe it's not. But you get the former
acclaimed Max Gaster and Anthony Bowens versus the Bang Bang Gang,
Austin Gunn, Juice Robinson versus Big Bill and Brian Keith

(40:04):
versus the Outrunners.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
If two hundred thousand dollars doesn't make them realize they're
good for each other, can we just give up on this?
I assume that Castor and Bones are reluctantly going to
win because by process of elimination, Austin Gunn and Juice
Robinson will hurt themselves during the match and be taken out.

(40:30):
Unless Dalton Castle's there, I don't see the Outrunners really
getting over and Big Bill can't have nothing nice, so
two hundred thousand dollars is way too nice to him.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Have you seen his lady pretty nice, just saying.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Is that something that Tony Kong got to book him
or did he do that on his own?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think he did that on his own, So maybe
it's the book.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Then it's not happening here.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's the booking, Mike. It's not the man,
it's the booking. I could see the Outrunners winning, but
I'm with you. I think Castor and Bowens none of
them probably deserve it, and somehow the the young Bucks
will probably swindle the winners out of their money. But yeah,

(41:12):
I I think it makes more sense for Castor and
Bowens to lose. But yeah, you got to pick somebody
to win. Sure, why the hell not?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
If the Outrunners win, one gets lung cancer and the
other one gets skin cancer.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Maybe the Bang Bank gang should win so they could
buy some fucking health insurance and maybe that group could
stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Hey, as Austin in Vegas, and he could show the
young Bucks how to actually win. You know, he has
that ace.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I guess fucking find a damn liver or something for
Jay White or for the other gun but whatever's wrong
with both of them. Yeah, but yeah, you're probably right. Hell,
let's go Castor and Bowens because why not. Business picks
up and picks up considerably after that. Darby Allen versus Pack. Sorry, Pack,

(42:05):
I like you a lot. Darby Allen. Ain't losing on
pay per view.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yep. Yeah, it's gonna be physical, it's gonna be hilactious.
And the only way Pack wins is if there's a
lot of death Rider interference. But at this point that
could just lead to Sting coming out.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, somebody, anybody. Kyle Fletcher defends the TNT Championship against
Mark Briscoe. If Briscoe loses, he is forced to join
the Don Kallis family. Ordinarily, I would say this one
means Mark Briscoe's winning and he will be your new
T and T champion, And maybe that's still the case.

(42:48):
I don't see them taking the belt off Kyle Fletcher
anytime soon. And if that's the way this goes, Mark
Briscoe is about to become a reluctant member of the family.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Mark brisco wins the match because how can he go
get revenge on MJF under the pressure of not being
allowed to by Don Kallas. He just want to be
allowed to wrestle in the matches, so you cannot go
get the revenge on MJF. I think that Mark Briscoe

(43:23):
wins and I'm gonna jump the shark here, and then
in a very quick turn of events, Kyle Fletcher no win. No,
do not say it a e W National No championship?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
No okay, So hold on, let's back up one second.
So you got Kyle Fletcher dropping the T and T
title to Mark brisco here, Yeah, okay, which does get
this to the gauntlet match for the AEW National Championship.
So Fletcher licks his wounds, joins the casino Gauntlet and
wins the AEW National title.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Last person out there we think a face is gonna
win it. Pissed off is all hell. Kyle Fletcher attacks
somebody who's gonna come up. They haven't actually entered the ring.
He does, and he wins it, and we'll all say
his full name as the new national champion. So we

(44:23):
get a belt off of him to put another belt
on him.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I don't hate that from the standpoint of I do
have concerns about who they're gonna put this belt on,
because I think you can sink this title before it
ever has a chance to swim if you put it
on the wrong person. So while I don't see that
scenario playing out, Micah, I don't hate it. It actually

(44:49):
makes a lot of sense if you think about it.
You can get the TNT title off of him, Brisco
gets a belt, which he deserves, and he doesn't have
to join the don Kallis family. But Fletcher winds up
strong as ever because he comes back and wins the
Casino Gauntlet.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
This is a moment I think where Kyle takes out Kyle. Actually,
I'm pretty more sure that Kyle O'Reilly is gonna go
against John Moxley. S We're on this card is not
announced yet or am I just speculating.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
It is not official, but it's probably going to be official.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Roderick Strong loses to Kyle Fletcher in the last match.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
All right, all right, I don't hate it. We'll see
Kenny Omega and Jurassic Express take on the Young Bucks
and Josh Alexander a million dollar trios match, because that's
what was So we've got two of these fucking money
matches on this card. One may or may not be
on the pre show, but talk about doing one every

(45:54):
week and overdoing it, Let's just throw two on the
pay per view because yeah, why not.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I can confirm for you at least the posters from
the AEW website does have the four way tag team
match on the Bralbeque or whatever the brawl towelgate, So yeah,
it does look like the million dollars will then be
on the main card. And I can only assume that

(46:22):
the new Kallous family relationship gets off to a swimming
start and they win. But then the Bucks learn that
Daddy Don gets his cut, so they still.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Something else to keep in mind here. So we were
told last week Kenney Omega will be on Dynamite this week.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Right, are you gonna throw out your bet?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yes? I will bet you anything you want to bet.
Kenny Omega during Dynamite this week winds up laying on
the outside or in the ring, throwing up blood like
at least a gallon or two. His inside's are wrecked.
He's done forever, and then he'll be fine for the
pay per view in a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I thought you didn't want to segue back to WWE
stuff because it's that easy. The call, well, you.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Gotta call it, you gotta call it like you see
it doesn't this happen every time Kenny Omega takes a
couple of weeks off and comes back leading up to
a pay per view, Like literally every time. I don't
see any reason that they're gonna mess with that formula.
Here Kenny Omega gets laid out on dynamite and it's
coughing up blood, spewing up blood. The doctors are out there,
it's pandemonium. Oh my god, Oh my god. And somehow

(47:34):
he'll be fined for the pay per view.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Quite possibly, we can't just have the entire Callous family
cornering Jurassic Express and Tenny Omega and a chair show
back up, clear out the ring, and we just get
we're all ready to unite to be a part of
this trios match.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, let's go back one second to the Casino Gauntlet
for the aw National Championship. We didn't spend a lot
of time on that, hey, because you just quickly booked it.
But b we don't know who the hell's in it
as we record, so it's really hard to do too
much predicting other than speculating like you did. Fletcher drops
the T and T title, comes back and wins this.

(48:15):
If it ain't Kyle Fletcher, who do you like for
this Oh like again, it's purely pulling names out of
thin air because we don't know who's in the match, but.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Eddie Kingston or Roger Strong.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, because I'm operating on the assumption that Kyle O'Reilly
and Moxleague gets made official on Dynamite for the pay
per view. Otherwise I would say, based on his recent success,
he would be a strong contender to win the inaugural
aw National title. But again, without knowing who's in it,

(48:52):
it's hard to speculate.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
You can assume maybe that Hobbes or Shabata because Joe's
already busy in the night, unless you're keeping them open
to be influencers in that match. I don't know if
the Callous Family with the nineteen other participants, do you
just say that some of those guys are going to
be involved in the match. Whoever is not booked right
now at this point could be booked. I don't think

(49:17):
Takashna or Okata, unless they're wrestling each other, are likely
to be in that gauntlet match. But there's still other
Callous Family members. There's other conglomerators Herts and Tocet. Are
they fully booked yet? Ricochet is also another intriguing named

(49:39):
to throw out if he could maybe win a title belt.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, could be interesting. Again, you put that belt on
the wrong person. You've ruined that belt before. What would
you've already got issues with? I think because there's a
there's that segment of the audience it's like, well, aw
has enough belts, they don't need another belt. It's named
after belt that was a secondary belt in an old
basically dead promotion anyway, but you better put it on somebody.

(50:08):
That's why I actually like your Kyle Fletcher idea. You
could actually give that belt some prestige right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well. I was gonna say, I like Ricochet. Now that
I said it out loud, how does that one cross
your mind?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I don't hate it, but that does get us back
to that means Mark Briscoe becomes a reluctant member of
the don Kallis family.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Which I still think the MGF factor makes it weird,
unless somehow we just leave that off until somehow Mark
Briscoe sets himself free and then MGF comes back and
it's like, oh, I'm the one that took you out
of a year and a half ago. I don't know,
but I'm wondering what other names, Like you said, it

(50:57):
has to be the right person. Yeah, I don't feel
like I just said Kingston because we know the affinity
that Tony Kahan has for him. I don't know if
he's right for that belt, considering has he really gotten
momentum going upon his return? So I kind of wonder

(51:17):
about Ricochet might be an obscure name, kind of fringing
all momentum. Heck, you could put the belt on Bobby
Lashley and he looks like a million bucks. That should
be believable.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
True, let's set aside Moxley and Kyl O'Reilly because that
has not been made official for the pay per view,
although we probably get that on dynamite, but.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
They all but set it on dynamite dynamite.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's probably okay, fuck it, let's look at
it is. Does Moxley take the l and this is
where you get him booted out of the Death Riders?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Maybe that would be better than the okay, real real quick.
And then the answer has to be yes, we can't
do anarchy in the arena a week after blending guts?
Can we? No? So there will not be some weird
do you think conglomeration death writers continuation because it felt

(52:21):
like Kyle O'Reilly almost challenged John Moxley, but it felt
like Moxley almost might have thrown out a group challenge
on collision. Do we get a singles match?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Well, Darby and Pack would not be involved.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That's a good point, so you probably.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
But you could still do Moxley Claudio who's not on
the card as of now you is not on the
card kid.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
And then on the other side, outside of Brisco, you
don't have any other conglomerators currently on the card, so
you could.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Go Ischy Fletcher or Oiley, Roderick Strong and Orange Cassidy.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
You could. My guess is most of those guys will
be in the Casino Gauntlet though.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
So hopefully the Gauntlet fills that up. So there's a
lot of a lot of reason to believe that O'Reilly
Moxley or could they serve us and does that end
up being part of the Gauntlet? Not saying I think
s we're coming back, not thinking that one at all,
But what about that empasse? Do you think we could

(53:35):
just get O'Reilly Moxley ending up in the National Gauntlet.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I want to be number one in the Gauntlet. I
want you to be number two. Fuck everybody else. We'll
decide it before they get to the ring, And of
course they don't, and but you get more people. But yeah,
maybe you started them off one and two. Maybe maybe
I think we get that as a singles MA if
we do. Though, whatever you're trying to do with Kyle O'Reilly,

(54:03):
I think you kill if you have him lose. So
you almost have to be have him beat Moxley, no
matter what you're doing with Moxley, kicking him out or not.
How many more times, Kate can you have him lose?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I don't know, but that could be the impasse we
start to kick out Moxley, it's part of the gauntlet.
We actually have to wait to kick him out till
maybe the end of the pay per view, maybe the
end of the match. But there's something about Kyle O'Reilly
snapping legs all the way through the Gauntlet. And then
when we actually get to the final where it's him
and Moxley, he gets to the triumphant moment of winning

(54:42):
the belt, confetti comes down all that he celebrates, Moxley
having to watch it, and then we get the excommunication
of Moxley out of the Death Riders or am I
putting together way too much for one gauntlet match?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
You're putting together way too much for one gauntlet match,
But but I don't hate it. All of a sudden,
Moxley becomes conglomeration adjacent after he gets kicked out of
the Death Riders. She's teaching him how to play the piano.
Orange Cassidy's teaching him how to put on sunglasses. He

(55:19):
kind of gravitates towards Roddy Strong because they both have
piss poor people skills, and they both have a relationship
with Roddy's wife. So I mean that there's that too. Yeah,
I mean I don't hate any of that. I just
don't know that that happens.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
You end up with a Moxley in one of those
weird eighties early nineties broken arm things where the person
is stuck in the plaster and they just can't move,
you know, they're just stuck there like a mummy. So
he's like, I don't want to be here, but they
keep feeding me. You know, someone's Orange Cassidy.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
My nose is it and he's screaming for somebody comes
scratch his nose and fucking slow ass is. She slowly
gets up from the piano and strolls his slow, sloppy
ass across the room to scratch Max's nose. And it
takes forever, and mox is just getting more and more pissed. Yes,
I like it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
And when he finally scratches his nose, then Roddy Strong
runs in there and he else Max.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Wore again and he shakes hurts.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
We can make this the Conglomeration Comedy Hour.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
If I'm Tony Kahan, I'm pitching the hell to Max
out of a conglomeration sitcom and I'm calling us up
and I'm saying, I want you guys to write it.
You guys are idiots, so I know you'll do it
for cheap. Please come aboard, And we would, of course
both say yes because we are idiots and we will

(56:45):
do it for cheap and it'll be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
MJF is the obnoxious neighbor. Does he live above them,
below them, across from them.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
He's the one that, since the comb exlomination is basically friends,
He's the one that lived below him that would would
take the broomstick and ram it into the floor when
they were being loud or his ceiling, their floor, and
then they find him dead in the apartment one day.
I forget what the guy's name was, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
something like that. All right, let's get back to business.

(57:20):
You got your Women's world title match. Chris Statlander defending
against Mercedes Monette. Monette has had a couple of women's
title matches and come up short. Now she has every
other belt known to man. I don't want to see
Statlander's reign get cut short, but it sure feels like
it's time to put the AAW Women's title on Mercedes,

(57:43):
don't you think?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Or no, I don't want to undercut Statlander. She seems
to be coming into her own I like the intensity,
the pointedness of the recent promo. It almost felt like
she was as Austin with the Ace upper sleeve, that
no matter how confident Mercedes will be, she'll take her
down the level of vitriol that they had to eat

(58:07):
for each other. I could almost see this as a
building match to something. If Mercedes gets it done, she
can't get it done clean, because I don't think that
you can just have her takedown Statlander and have this
be the everest that Statlander can't get over Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I'm torn on this one because I think Statlander goes
back to just being another one of the girls with
a loss.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
With a win, though she kind of excitts to pierce
that feeling that it's not just me right Tony, Mercedes,
everyone else. Statlander, even though she's the champion, a win
helps her really justify that she's on their level.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
But regardless of how many small promotional belts Mercedes Monet has,
if she keeps coming up short to win the big one,
at what point in time does that start hurting her?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
That? You know, very good question, but it feels like
almost this is an easier transition if you did have
that Camale, that that hench woman figure, the heavy behind Mercedes.
So there's at least an out for your face. Where
a lot of these wins have been clean around the world,

(59:27):
and Mercedes isn't as having to be as treacherous, isn't
having to go to the wheel to the wall as
often as we see many other heels having.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
To New Champer.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
No, I'm gonna say no. I'm thinking you're saying yes.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Honestly, I'm weak minded, and you may have convinced me
I think the right thing is to keep the battle
stat Lander. I just and look, she needs it more
than Mercedes. I said a second ago. At what point
time does this start hurting Mercedes. Mercedes has a lot
of cachet built up. She could probably handle it a

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little more. I do think stat Lander would fall back
to the pack if she drops the belt this quickly,
so she almost has to keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
You changed my mind, Micah, you changed my mind. Did
you see the Mercedes monet entrance. I don't know what
promotions she was at this past weekend where all of
the curtains that they had set up everything came tumbling down. Yeah.
I will give her credit for that moment because she
played that off like a g She was not surprised.

(01:00:35):
She was just totally there ready, yeah, look at me
in my hat and made her way to the ring.
And that is the catastrophe. And for everyone that could
have been running or look shocked, that was horrible. And
my takeaway the second time watched is she really played
that off well, like it didn't shake her at all.
She owns this moment in this room.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
All right, I think we agree stat Lander wins this one.
This gets us to the main event still cage match
for the aw World title. Samoa Joe challenges the champion,
Hangman Adam Page. I'll say the same thing I said
last pay per view. I love Joe. I wouldn't be
shocked if he won, but they're not taking the belt

(01:01:19):
off Hangman Page anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Hangman Page is setting a standard for himself in a
title reign. This is much better. He feels like the man.
He feels like he has confidence, like the fans believe
in what he's doing, like he believes in what he's doing.
A lot of these elements come together. I don't think
we're changing that trajectory. I think that Samoa Joe unfortunately loses,

(01:01:48):
but because he's not the tyrannical ruler of the ops
like John is with the Death Rids, I don't think
this causes a revolt from his assistant. I think the
Trio Champions just kind of go back to hurting people
next month.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Well, look I'm assuming and maybe I'm wrong here, but
when Tony Kahan booked out Hangman Page winning the belt,
he penciled in all in Wembley Stadium, Hangman Page Kyle
Fletcher and starts booking backwards from there. That's why I
don't think we're seeing Hangman drop the belt. I guess

(01:02:27):
theoretically he could drop it and win it back in
the next pay per view something like that, but I'm
assuming Hangman's holding onto the belt. For a while, Joe
seemed affel upset that this became a steel cage match
when you think that would play into his hands. I
don't know, maybe that was just him selling it on
Dynamite this past week, or if that's something to kind

(01:02:50):
of look into as we get to this match on
Saturday night, But Joe was not happy that this was
a steel cage match, and I would think that this
would have been what he was on it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I think what he would want, what he would have wanted,
and what we're led to believe then is now this
isolates Shabbata and Hobbs from being able to influence the match.
That's what he wanted. Now he's limited to a one
on one can find area. No one can help him,
there's no way in, there's no way out. Now it's
him one on one with the hang there or some

(01:03:26):
shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I guess the story they're telling us, I mean, I
think you could easily put Shabata under the ring before
the match. Maybe it's a little harder sneaking powerhouse hobbs.
But look, if Blood and Guts taught us nothing, it
ain't that hard to get in and out occasions during
a match. Yeah, so, I mean, eh, one other thing
since I brought it up with Kinny Omega and beat

(01:03:51):
downs before the pay per view and then seemingly be
fine last Wednesday on Dynamite, Darby ally gets thrown through
a flaming table and ten days later he's taking on
Pack at the pay per view.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
It's just toty complex. He was challenged he can't not run.
I mean, I fire, I guess, I guess, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
But all right, back to the main event. Sorry, that's
just I didn't want to forget that. Both agree we
like hang Man to retain.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Here wh didn't use the word like, but yeah he's retaining.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Okay, all right, Well there you go. The nine matches
officially announced, and we threw in the plus one that
we're pretty sure is going to be announced for Full
Gear this Saturday, live on pay per view.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Do you think we get any more women's matches? Just
just throwing out there like we have this whole women's
tag team title tournament. We only get the one women's
singles match on the card. Do you think we might
get a surprise announcement this week that some of those
tag team tournament matches end up making their way, whether

(01:05:05):
it's onto the pre show or the main card here,
because right now, the main card or the pre show,
I think we have two hours or is it just
an hour?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I thought it was just an hour. It might be
two hours. I could see them squeezing a women's thrown
together six or eight person match onto the pre show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
That's possible. I just feel like we're not having only
one women's match, whether it's a tag match, a multi
member match, there will be another women's match added on
to the tailgate portion of the card, if not that
main portion of it. Yeah, I think that's what I'm

(01:05:52):
liking at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
You almost gotta have Tony Storm somewhere on the paper.
You heard Mina, Right, That's the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Weird part, because they're kind of slated to go up
with against windsor and Rehow I do like how Tony
Storm it's almost a little too overlapping. How hay Men's like,
I'll take out the ops one by one when I want.
And now Tony's the same feeling. I'll take out all

(01:06:21):
these monsters one by one when I want. But we'll
see how that plays out. But you're right, Tony Storm
can't not be on a pay per view card.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Got fathom not way she's around. You know, if she's
taken a month or two off, that's one thing, and
we have seen that. But I mean she's around, she's active.
I would assume she's got to be there somewhere. But yeah,
but with being tied up in the women's tag tournament,
I don't know how much makes sense it makes to
step out of that for a moment and have some

(01:06:50):
sort of grudge match coming out of you know, the
blood and guts last week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I think you're right. I think you're right. Before we
get out of here, there was a couple quick questions
and enough we'll have much reaction for them from WWE.
Was Becky Lynch's title reign whatever the minor title that
they had on her, Oh yeah, thank you? Was that
disappointing her reign?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
I'm I'm gonna say no, but you're gonna wish I
had said yes. I don't care enough about the women's
secondary titles in WWE to get excited or disappointed in
any of the reins. So I'm gonna go with a no.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
It was on. I can't remember who she took it from,
but the fact that Becky Lynch had it gave me
a hope that it would mean something, and to see
the way she lost it it made me reflect on
that having the belt on her did not garner anything
or what I hoped it would have towards making us

(01:08:03):
care about that belt. That was more my greater impression
from that. I see title ring.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
And here's the problem with that, rain. I know who
she took it from. I'm picturing her in my mind,
and for the life of me, I can't think of
her name. Her Minty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Oh Lyra Valcaria, thank you? Who who all of a
sudden has a crazy Bailey again to deal with? Don't
we don't just pick up and drop storylines like their
hot cakes? Yeah, that would be unfair to just start asking, Hey,
what happened to Ron Killings? The truth was that that

(01:08:46):
was kind of interesting, and I guess one guy with
three letters for his name didn't feel that way. It
also talk about making things feel more important or not
I get a United States Open Challenge. I don't get
why Sammy Zane had wrestlers, legitimate single stars going after it,

(01:09:10):
and why Elliot Dragonov only Wressell's Bluchen door tag team wrestlers.
Wrestlers don't. I don't, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
I'm still trying to wrap my head around. While we
had John Cena beat Dominic Mysterio for the Icy title
in Boston just so he could lose it back at
Survivor Series.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I don't get why dumb Mysterio got to demand that
the match happens and San Diego. Besides, is probably a
billboard somewhere in San Diego that already told us the
match was happening in his hometown. But I find it
hard to care about yeah about that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
If so, if Sina puts over for Dominique Mystereo at
Survivor Series, does this mean he gets to win his
last match? You put over the young guy. Yeah, you
put over the young guy on his way out, so
now you can win your last match.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
I guess, because nothing has happened so far to not
make me believe that Gunster is not gonna be the
final opponent. But does it lose its luster if we
get rub after rub after rub and tugged from John
Cena out the door.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I think Seena probably loses them both. But yeah, I
think it loses its luster. If I assume that would
be his last two matches, I don't think there would
be anything between Survivor series and Saturday Night's main event.
I mean, in the grand scheme of things, meant maybe
that doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Hey, shout out to Charlotte Flair. Someone has got to
make sense in this damn universe sometime, and she is
the only one that does. So I'm gonna walk it
out and walk away from these crazy women that think
I'm their team member. You and your tag partner are
pseudo friends. Ria Ripley and you are hated enemies. And

(01:11:11):
Ria's in this for her friend that she can't stand
to see being successful. Get away from that toxicity as
quick as you can. I'm just kidding. We know she'll
be back like next week or right before. Either way,
she's gonna be a part of that match.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Well, she came out on Raw on Monday Night, right,
I mean, yeah, I mean that that making sense thing?
It made the same, Yeah, that making sense thing that
will lasted for a weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
It didn't even last long enough for me to get
the get to get it out there. We didn't pod
quick enough either way, it wasn't gonna last. It made sense,
it made too much sense. And then it's gonna go past,
and hey, we're gonna add a couple people also to
war games because it needs to be five on five.

(01:12:03):
So yeah, I won't ask hard questions anymore about WWE
most of them. I just why did we start the
story and then then stop it? Like I like how
Finn Baalat is just a willing accomplice to Dom. He's
now as a little subservant henchman in attacking John Cena,
you know, because Finn wasn't all about making Dom go

(01:12:26):
out there and do his own dirty work on his
own and just use the americanos. Where do you think
Ice kept him out of New York?

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Maybe? I mean there is that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Olly, I guess I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I don't know anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I'm ready to kick it. It's a full gear this
weekend a w pay per view. Hit me up on
x AT. Frankle Mike gonna be talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
You can get the show on x AT pw A
four hours. You can get me at real Mike Kurlisle.
We will talk to you next week for another episode
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