February 2, 2025 • 59 mins
Pro Wrestling Wire's Rick Del Santo and "Showtime" Marcel Williams reunite to talk about the Royal Rumble, who our personal picks were for the men and women rumble matches, how the ladder match elevated both Cody and Owens to another level, IShowSpeed's appearance in the rumble, Bron Breaker, WWE Evolve, Brady Baylor, some recent happenings in the world of professional wrestling, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's going on, everybody. This is Rick Del Santo today.
I am joined by Showtime Marcel Williams. Welcome back, my friend.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
What's going on? I am back as that can be.
I don't know if I'm rusty. I don't know whether
I still got it or not, but obviously we're here
to do the deed of reviewing the two five Royal
Rumbo from Indiana in.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Indianapolis, Indiana. I had a great time watching it last night.
As always, I look forward to the Royal Rumble each
and every year. It's my favorite event of the year
because it is the kickoff to probably, you know, a
series of phenomenal shows for the month for the few
months going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah. I usually call it the All Star Game before
the big super Bowl of professional wrestling, which is WrestleMania,
So you might as well call it the All Star
Game to set up, like you said, the road to WrestleMania.
So World Rumble, I enjoyed it since a little kid.
You know, thirty superstars compete from one prize which started
(01:34):
in nineteen ninety three with the title shot at WrestleMania.
But a lot of history with the Royal Rumble, a
lot of big winners throughout the years. And yeah, you
know this rumble that just passed. I don't know people
comparing it to one of the best rumbles ever ever,
but I mean, nineteen ninety two will always be the
best one.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, let's just say it. And now that you say that,
I got a text message as soon as the show
ended last night, but Harry de Villa from Blood, Sweat
and Tears for Wrestling saying, and that was shocked to
hear from him right at you know, at that time
of night, saying, that was the greatest rumble ever. And
I was like, it was pretty damn good. War was good, greatest?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, it was good. You had the who's who
and the rumble. You had John Cena, Rome, Raine cm Punk,
Seth Rollins, Drew McIntyre, uh, you you name him. They
was in there, a few surprises that was in there.
As we get along talking about this, but it wasn't
the greatest. I would say, the greatest roll rumble of
the modern era, but of all time, I don't think so.
(02:38):
Nineteen ninety two is. Uh, it's not only special, but
it had the who's who and there was a story
being told in that match as well.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm very old school, so I'm always gonna choose something
that I loved from my youth when it comes to
that stuff. I think we've had those discussions before.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, we have. Yeah, you know, as we go along,
we have a lot of events that come up that
have the probably the greatest matches or whatever it is,
but we always got some that's close to heart, and
nineteen ninety two is close to heart. It was it
was a Rick Flair coming out party.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah. Yeah, his first time well not first time in
ww but you know, coming in winning that world title, making,
you know, showing that he was the true greatest of
professional wrestling winning that w WF title.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, So before we dive deep into it, Marcell, you've
been missing for a little while. What the hell you
been up to? My friend.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Life guy? A lot of stuff that's been going on,
some negative, some positive, but still here, still around. Yeah,
and you gave me a ring the other day and
UH said to do this Rumble review, which I was
fine with doing. And I'm glad to be back on
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here and hopefully we could review WrestleMania coming up.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Absolutely, but don't sleep on it.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I have been watching wrestling. I've been watching everything that's
been leading up to this pass event will rumble, and
I know my issue so.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That let me tell you, Like, there's a lot that
we can get into regarding the Rumble, but the but
let's just go with the w W because you and
I have not had a lot of discussions lately, as
you know, regarding professional wrestling as a whole. But the
w W is on fire right now, making a lot
(04:41):
of changes, making a lot of big changes, big financial gains,
you know, obviously gaining guys since you've last been here,
Guys like see them punk guys like you know, some
Penta coming over just a few weeks ago. Some of
the biggest names in professional wrestling returning come in. They're
(05:02):
just making big moves now, big of course joining Netflix
as a whole. Uh for Monday Night Raw, which I
think has been since joining and it's gonna run a
week number four. Uh this coming Monday was you know
it's been a very big move and it's been a
very exciting show since that move.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yes, it has. Netflix has been a big success for
them because it's not only the being seen in certain homes.
Now they're being seen all over the world. So it's, uh,
it's a very big deal for them. And I can't
say I mean it's night and day from the first
show on Netflix. Obviously they had that new modern arena
(05:43):
into it don't in Los Angeles, and as they went along,
you started going towards other arenas, but the spark is
still there now. You know. When Netflix involved, they could
do two and a half hours, they could do three hours.
They do wherever they want, but they keep it within
that two and a half hour range or maybe three
hours if they have to, and it's never where it's
(06:05):
like you're bored, Like it's an hour go by or
two and you still you're still excited by watching Raw.
So Raw is way better as it used to be
on USA, as it's a big success for them.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
One of the things that I've noticed is that it's
been each other's episode has been two and a half
hours roughly, give or take, you know, a few minutes.
They don't have to do three hours because they're not
on cable TV, so they don't have to market a
three hour create some sort of time and little skits
to try to make it three hours. So it's a
(06:39):
lot of that garbage that they've had filling in in
the middle, maybe a comedic skit or something. They can
just pull that out and they don't need to put
that kind of stuff in there.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Correct, correct, and they gonna continue to do it. I mean,
it seemed like they doing some of that stuff on
SmackDown because they got to fill up all that stuff
on SmackDown now, which just smack those three hours. But
sooner lay later on around the spring of summertime they
go go back to two hours, which SmackDown at the
time when it was two hours was real good. It
was on Fox heading into the USA. But obviously they
(07:11):
getting into a routine where Row used to be with
the three hours trying to fill it up. So sooner
or later they'll probably fix some stuff around and figure
it out. But it's a big success for WWE. Like
you said, it's the biggest financial I don't want to
say a year, but the last few years since the
transition from Vince McMahon and all that nonsense.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But they were there to cover that.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, that's another story for thisself. I mean, a lot
that went on and a lot is still going on,
But we don't even talk about that. We go to
talk about success of w W and how they got
the new wave of all these fans coming in and
got a regular non fan enjoyed wrestling, you know what
I'm saying. So you have fans that don't even like wrestling,
don't even want to watch Russell. Now wrestling is the
(08:00):
most popular thing today like he was, and as we are,
maybe even better than ads we are.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Truthfully, well, I think the quality of the wrestling is
a lot better. There's a lot less than making trash TV.
So you know, it's a lot better. Let me ask
you before we jump into the rumble. Obviously we didn't
get a chance to talk about this, but the ww
I T program is started up, and of course this
gentleman that we know that has gotten signed to the
(08:26):
w W I D program, someone from your whereabouts is
your home School Paradise sly prog Wrestling, Brad Baylor has
signed to the w W program and now last night
ww officially announced during the rum with the WW Evolved
(08:46):
is coming to TB Wednesday night, eight o'clock, and of
course Brad Baylor was featured in that promo commercial for that.
How do you feel about Brad? I mean, I just
want to wish some Brad the best of luck in
his w to be career going forward.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah. I was actually corratulated when it was First and
Else a few months ago, and I reached out to
him and I've seen him at the Mania show that
I was at for p A p W. I just
told him, man, just just keep up the hard work
and do what you need to do and you will
make it to where you need to be. And that's
what he's been doing. He's been erritaining doing these promos
on X And it's a big deal for anybody other
(09:26):
than Brad that's in the I D program because it's exposure.
I mean, I don't know about the two B movies
that they put on there. I'm not gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Don't knock the two B movies. My wife and I
were my wife and I was always my wife always
knocks to be all right, And I'm like, there's a
lot of really good stuff up there, classic stuff up
there maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
The stuff, but have you seen the updated stuff?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Because when I told her Type and t B Movies,
I told her, I said, look, she was away yesterday,
she went out with her mom, and then when she
came home, I was watching her on West and I
just want to let you know that Toob is official.
Now they got a w W program coming on there.
She goes, shut the hell up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
They got super Bowl now, they got so yeah, the
super Bowl, so they coming on up. Yeah, to B
movies now they're coming on up. So I did a
little exposures, any exposures that that exposure is any exposure,
So I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I did a little research on Toby before. Uh, you know,
when I saw that the w W program was coming
up there because a lot of people knock Toob and
it's like I've always thought, you know, there's a lot
of really cool programming on there, granted the maybe exclusive programming,
so not the greats. It's a Fox owned property, so
which I thought was kind of shocking. So I mean,
like there is somebody legitimate backing it. I guess if
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you want to call Fox legitimate.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I guess I guess somebody has to do it. And
I guess they had to do it for the independent movies.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
That's all to be God, I'm just gonna tell you
just if you all got time, go on to be
back back, go on TikTok and type in independent movies
on to B and you'll know I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And then later on when you leave Cobbins, just leave
Cobbins and you go you're like, Okay, I see what
you're talking about between them fake shooting and fake punching,
and and you could you could literally see it. Or like,
for instance, I see the world clip this dude rob
somebody outside the store and why he was robbing though
(11:37):
he shot him and then he fell into the frame
far away in the parking lot. I got that, like
it's ridiculous. Like two b's coming all up.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Though, I'm looking forward to the w Evolve program. That's
that's gonna be on Wednesday night, ten o'clock, March fifth,
that's starting. So now it's obviously yeah, it's it's good exposure,
and you know, it's a free program. They got some
really good wrestling documentaries on there too as well, if
you ever go down there and search the wrestling section.
(12:10):
So I've I've caught some stuff on there, so lets
get into the rumble. Rumble, of course, came to you
from the Indianapolis Stadium.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I forgot what it was the I think the Lucas Oil.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Lucas Oil Stadium, correct, yes, yes, yes, that's the home
of uh At McAfee, my favorite announcer. Yeah yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Used to be the former area of the Hoosier Dome.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I think they went into the history discussed minutes.
So the women's Rumble one, of course by Charlotte Flair,
had a lot of really good surprises in the Women's Rumble.
I thought you got Alexis List coming back. Nikki Bella,
as I reported on the website earlier in the day,
was made a return at number thirty. I thought that
(13:03):
when Alexa Bliss came out the entire I felt like
the roof was gonna come off that damn place.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Seriously, No, I did. Obviously it was a shock because
you've been hearing the dirt she's saying that it was
contract issue, she won't be there, and I guess everybody
try to stick to Dave Meltz her, which has been
happening lately because they've been preaching nothing but false claims,
(13:29):
and obviously she showed up ready to go.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, and she didn't last too long. She was in
there for a little bit, but she was limited. She
looks like she went down hard on the ground and
sorely disappointed in her in her tumbul outside the ring.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean it's to rumble.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Not every bump is gonna be great. No, no, we
can ask Taka for that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
He was thrown around like a rag doll everywhere. Let's
see what else, Like I.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Said, surprise of last legend from.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, there was a lot of great surprise. Last legend
came in. Yep. Jordan Grace made her official debut as
a w W roster member. Uh you know. Obviously she
was there last year as the teenage Women's World Knockouts Champion.
This year she was officially a w W roster member,
(14:31):
as she had joined. She had promised online that she
was not in Indianapolis. She was out there celebrating her
mother's birthday on Twitter, but of course shared an airline ticket.
She was lying the whole time. She popped when the
fucking crowd went nuts when her music played too.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yes, it was a big re debut of Jordan Grace
like Jordan Grace. Jordan Grace came a long way physically
and in hormous wise, and this is a big deal.
This was a big deal for her, and she had
a great showing, just like she did last year. But
they gave her wartime this year, and I'm looking forward
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to the future that she has for ww She has
a look, she has the talent, and some people thought
she would be the dark horse to wind this actually.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So I've read a lot of people, a lot of
online reports, you know, predictions, saying that she could be
the winner. And you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't have
been upset with that, you know, because, if anything, she's
been out there on the indies busting her ass for
many many years. In TNA, she basically helped redesign that
TNA Knockouts division, you know, she did for many many years.
(15:43):
Like it was kind of stale a little bit, and
you know, how do you how do you feel like
she's going to be in WWE. I feel like this
is a really good pickup for them bringing her in.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's a very good pickup. I mean, she could go
to any brand, either raw or SmackDown, and her talent
will fill up that whole roster. You got a little
you got a lot of potential matchups. She already faced
Neoi and you got her. You could have her face,
Jake Cargo, you can have her face, Bianca Belair. There's
(16:17):
a lot of like challenges down the road, even down
to Ria Ripley. So like, yeah, it's gonna be real good.
It's gonna be a real good showing, especially this day
and age in the WW with the women's division that
is stacked, is all the way stacked. You could tell
by looking at the rumble itself, what's the past and
the president of the futures would be like for w
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W and a women's division.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Of course, w W legend Tristratus made a return who
she just had to run there a couple of years ago,
so I wouldn't say it's uh, it was kind of
a surprise, but you know what I mean, it was
a nice addition to the rumble.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I thought, yeah, still look good, still yeah, performs well.
She had a good showing with Naya Jacks at the end,
but obviously she didn't win the rumbles and she didn't
make it to the final four. I am going to
talk about that big elimination that Naya Jacks had. Well,
she dumped over half of the women's division. She dumped
(17:15):
over Io Sky, Bianca Blair. It was a lot, and
that's when it narrowed down to Charlotte Flair, Rox and Perez,
who had a good showing that broke a record last
night being over there over an hour. Yeah, and it was.
It was good, but I do what it was when
we got to the final three.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Going in, who was your pick in the woman's division?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I actually thought it was Bianca Belair because yeah, I
really thought she gonna take it because it's been you
gotta think about it. When she wanted the rumble, it
was doing a thunderdoor mirror. She didn't win in front
of fans, so it was I wouldn't mind seeing her
face rear ripley, So I guess down the line, we
probably see that soon. But I kind of figured they
will have Charles win. But it was so predictable. But
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then you're like, Okay, well they're not going to make
it predictable, Babe, didn't probably have As we talk about
something later that was that was really a surprise that
I thought was gonna be another winner for the men's
were rumble, but this was real predictable, did you. I mean,
Charlotte Flare is fresh off the injury and everybody's talking
about her versus Tiffany Stratton. So uh yeah, it was.
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I mean it was good women's rumble, but the ending
was what it was.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
They did a really good job selling her injured knee
as a lot of people were working on it up
against the rope for us stretching in and uh, my
pick for the show. My pick for the show was
io Sky. I was kind of going with her. I
thought that they were kind of she was kind of
she's kind of on a hot streak and they were
really pushing her a little bit, and uh, needless to say,
(18:51):
it was not her and that was sorely disappointed. So
I kind of, you know, after she was elimited, it
was like, they're probably giving it to Charlotte, and that's
exactly what ended up happening.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, exactly what ended up happening, and they went to
easy her route. But io Sky, she was one of
my favorites too, just case of Bianca didn't make it.
But uh, io Sky had been on a great run lately,
like you said, even back from the Fall where they
had war Games in when she had a recent title
match against I guess what do you call it that
(19:26):
I lost my train of thought?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Damage control? Damage control?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And uh it was against Live Morgan. Yeah Morgan at
Saturday nice main event.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
She she's been on good performance lately, so you know,
I kind of was. She was kind of my second
choice at the I.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Mean, I guess there's gonna be at some point they're
gonna have to give her a give her a shot,
maybe maybe even an elimination chamber maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, obviously that happening to face rear Ripley. I mean,
it's it's kind of tough at this point since they
had Charlie Winn. But I can see the Bianca and
what really kind of surprised you last night? We didn't
get Becky Lynch. No.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I know that somebody I saw, Lucas Chase put out
a tweet like where's Becky? Yeah, because I think a
lot of people were expecting Becky to return. I of
course read reports earlier online at Kyrie Sane was in town,
that she was there and a couple others were there,
(20:34):
to no appearance by some of the others that were
reported that maybe they're trying to tease us by people,
you know, seeing them in town.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, I know usually sometime that Chad save a surprises always,
like I know, the rumble, like the raw after the
rumble is kind of like the wrestle Ani after the rumble,
So you just never know. To this point, they probably
wait and see whether she gonna pop up. I know
she was supposed to do to Netflix abut one and
then they waited off, so maybe they saved stuff and
maybe for Monday we basically Becky Lynch.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Uh, let's see what.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Else Before we get to that. Can we talk about
the m v P of Entertainment for the Women's Sure,
Chelsea Green.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
She's a gem, I tell you this. She is something.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Else, Yes, yes she is. She's a She's a gym.
She's a national treasure. Like even towards the spot with
Jada Parker and Biaka Blair and they on me act
like they was in the club and she came in
dancing like a white girl coup of in. It was
so great, it was funny. It's hilarious. But Chelsea Green,
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Chelsea Green is a gym.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
She is something else, and she's improving. You know, I
wasn't sold on her for quite some time. I'll tell
you that much. Uh, but her run now with the
United States gear the title and uh uh what do
you think of the addition of the two women's titles
that they added. We didn't we didn't get to that
that with the United States and Intercontinental.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
So it's a great addition. Uh. They should take away
the tag team titles. That's why I agree with it.
Should take that away and had that. I mean, aw
ended up doing it with the TBS title, and abay
sense for them to do it. I mean, it's more
opportuning for mer ladies instead of going for one title,
you know. So, and it's more TV time for the
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ladies too, so instead of them being an attack team
for like five minutes. So it was a great idea
to have a split Intercontinental Women's Championship in the US Championship.
The title, the titles look like a mini version of
the original men's titles, which they should have made different.
But I get it. It's about selling, yeah, just selling
(23:01):
the toy. So they had to do what they had
to do.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, let's see. So, Uh, there was the Motor
City's machine guns and di Y and this. While it
was a great match, I think it fell flat in
a way two out of three. I'll tell you why
I fall flat. The crowd did not seem like they
were alive during this matchup. But you know, if you've
(23:27):
been following both all four men to the extent of
say somebody like you or I over the years, through
all the different brands, and you know, obviously some of
these guys are a little bit more local, like Tamasa
Champa and Gorgano to the New England area. But I
thought it was a great match. It just didn't seem
like the crowd was too into it. Do you think
(23:48):
that it should have been a two out of three
falls match like on such a high profile pay re view.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I think they should have did two three four match. Yeah,
for three hours. I think it shouldn't have been uh
on for the rumble. I mean, they was into it
because of two hour three falls, like you got. If
you go do that match, you gotta have a few
more matches to make it to that point. To make
that match. It only had one match before this, and
(24:19):
obviously d I Y won the championship in a controversial fashion,
but it was no reason for them to do a
two or three falls match, So it should have been
done on TV to burn time. You got three hours
of television. But uh, that's what I felt too. I
felt the fans was into it because of the stipulation.
And I think as well. I mean, d I wh
(24:43):
just turned hill and I think it gotta be more
of a story for us to hate them.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think they did.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You know, it take more than that for us to
hate them within a month of what they was doing.
But I appreciate the hard work that they was doing
last night. And you know, it was a good match,
but the crowd killed it. The crowd, Yeah, the crowd
they kill it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, because I mean, you know, I gotta say that,
you know, all four men, they are four of the greatest,
you know, professional wrestlers out there. You know. I love
I think Tomaso Trump was a That guy's a treasure.
I think as well. I know I just said that
about Chelsea Green, but I think that he is a
phenomenal performer, like he really is. So is Sabin, Alex
Shelley is top tier, Johnny Organo you know there, It's
(25:28):
it's one of those things just like it's I don't know,
maybe people like if this happened and say, maybe NXT
it probably would have ad a different a different outcome.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Mm hmm, yeah, I agree. And Lachine Gun versus A
Revival versus DI Y and Toronto and Takeover is it
was the same performance. They put on, the same type
of performance performance, but the fans just was answered right.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think the end was kind of confused. The ending
was kind of confused with the with everybody. I think
Michael Cole had like describe it because when Angela Dawk
has hit him with the hit, I think it was
saving when he hit him with the crutch, like everybody
thought that the Street Profits was turning the hill, and
(26:22):
it al said when they hit d I Y. That's
when Michael Cole was like, hold up, they did that
because obviously d I Y attacked them and they want
to take the titles away from them. So I think
it was confusing for everybody, and then Mike Cole had
to like educate people what's going on.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, because it's going to be Street Profits and d
I Y going down the road?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, Yeah, let's see the this match. I gotta tell
you put both of these guys on a different level
for me. All Right, Cody Roads and Kevin Owens ladder match,
I gotta tell you, uh, you know, I I love
both of these guys. I think they're both really great performers.
Cody's the guy right now that they're really pushing it
(27:04):
on and they're really he's really giving you know, they're
really trying to teach the champ or treat the championship
excuse me, like it's a legitimate championship, pushing it out there.
You know, they're saying, oh, this is a title defense,
this and that which in the past. If you look
back at this, and I think that this is probably
the culmination of you know, the TKO brand coming together,
that they're trying to teach it. You know, it's like
(27:25):
they're using some influence maybe from like UFC type things,
you know what I mean, to try to make this
make professional wrestling sound a little bit more legitimate than
it has been in the past since the Vince era,
you know what I mean, correct, and which a lot
of it through the Vince era was looked at very
either one era was a very cartoony, one era was
(27:46):
very trashy, and then there was just the god knows
what era, and you know, but I like that they're
doing this, that they're treating it kind of like a
legitimate level. Like you know, so they're talking about you know,
they go back, they talk about the history, they talk
about the the the you know, how many title defenses
he's had. But this is this, of course, was the
wing Eagle title versus the WVIE title. They were trying
(28:07):
to you know, which I thought that was beautiful that
they were you know, Michael Cole went into the description
talking about the history of the Wing Eagle title, which
I thought was great. It came in from nineteen nineteen
eighty eight when Hogan won it or had it, and
then it was retired in nineteen ninety Did you say
nineteen ninety eight and nineteen ninety seven, when nineteen ninety
(28:28):
eight was Austen, Yeah, when Austin retired the belt and
then you had the Circular Eagle title. This match was
fucking brutal, dude, like these guys went all out.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
You talk about this match, and since you talk about
the sports of it, Yeah, let's talk about the addition
of the rumble matches of the statistics. Let's talk about
how they kept you informed of how many people was
in the ring, who was eliminated, how many people that's coming.
It's it's like they have legit. And like I said,
(29:05):
I'm not taking it away. We were gonna go into
his matches in a second, but you know, we haven't
talked about WW in a while, but like how the
production of Lee Fitting coming in and changing the whole
landscape of WW making it sports centric. You know, you're
talking like if you miss raw or you missed the segment, Uh,
they'll sit there and put something on the bottom of
(29:26):
who won at this match and what's coming up, and
they keep you educated and keep you up to date
of what's going on. And that's something that you know,
Vince never did or Kevin Dunn never did, and now
it's it's it's a whole different feel. The camera angles
are different, obviously, but now they're making it more sports centric.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
B Fitting. Was he with ESPN before? Is that what
it was? Yes? Correct, Yeah, Okay, so he's using That's
what I was trying to He's using his uh, you know,
sports television background to get that kind of that influence,
and it's to me, it's just amazing. It works out perfectly,
you know what I mean, It works perfectly so.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And they're going more into a video library too. Before
they wasn't like trying to pull up anything from the
eighties or the nineties. They mostly bring up stuff that
was in the modern era. And now they're bringing up
all the past stuff to educate you of how special
this this WWE brand is and bringing the old fan
to the current fan up the date. What's going on
(30:30):
with this product?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I like, Well, they're mixing in some of the older
audience by having a lot of legends make special appearances
on a lot of the shows as of late, you know,
and specially each of the Saturday Nights Man events that
have aired, they've had several legends and they showed up. Yeah,
and they showed them.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
They don't just have him come out there just like,
oh yeah, this is the last all Jim Duggan. They
show the footage of who he is, what the footage was,
what he looked like in the past to now. They
don't sit there just try him out there and be like, oh, yeah,
you know, this is hass Ale Jim Duggant. Let's just
figure it out, just go google.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It speaking let's get let me ask you your opinion
on this one thing, because on the first episode of
Saturday Nights Made a Man and when Hogan came out
and he got food out of the freaking arena, Oh
the wraw Netflix was that? Oh that was wrong? Netflix?
My bad? Sorry? Netflix? Yeah? Yeah, what did you think
of that entire What did you think of that on
(31:26):
that episode?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I knew it was coming, really, yeah, I knew it
was coming. I mean it was a long time coming
because I mean you had his first appearance was at
WrestleMania after the pandemic, and you could tell like they
try to like scatter out the booze and stuff. You
can hear it, but it seemed like it was trying
(31:48):
their best to put his mic up to cover up
all the booze and for them to be in a
small venue like this whereas all compacted. I knew it
was coming. Some people say it was the politics, but
it was a positive. We all know why he got boothed.
We all know that, So.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm not There's a lot of stuff over the years
that he's done that have made the people just not
care anymore. Correct, you know, it's not just you know,
it's it's not just his political leanings, which I might
have something to do with it, but uh, you know,
it's also the language that he used behind supposedly closed walls.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Correct he made and then all that you've got his
stories that he continues to be lying about saying that
he was part of Metallica or like, it's just so
much stuff on top of stuff with him. But it's
not even funny the performer, oh Cogan, as in what
I grew up on, so far going, so far, going,
(32:53):
so far going, it's not even funny. I'm sorry, so
far gone. I watched some of the old footage all
the time, even the old Saturday Nice main events, and
you know, all this stuff, and I still pop seeing
the guy of the performer whole koger. But right now
this guy is just hanging on by a thread of
what he once had.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah. I felt bad for Jimmy Hart out there because
walking out there with him holding the flag and getting
his ass boot, He's like, shit, I'm associate you with
this guy for.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Eighty years old, Jimmy or yeah it's christ.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Uh so let's get into the ladder match.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, this ladder match was like you said, it was
a it was a car accident. It was like a
devastating car accident. And yeah, these two got brought up
to another level.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That Alabama slam on the ladder bridge. Uh looked like
he killed Kevin Owens. Yes, I was like, in the
excuse me, there was a little blood in the match
as well, Michael Cole yelling that Kevin Owens was busted open,
and I looked, you know, I was kind of looking
away at the time, and then I heard that. I
was like, get the hell out of here. There's actual
(34:04):
blood and he had some blood up up and down
the side of his face. And WW is not afraid
to do that these days.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Nah, if it has to happen, it has to happen.
It has to make sense. So this made sense. There's
no way you go to get hit by a ladder
and not get cut somewhere. So it was good. Not
only Alabama slam, even the Fisherman buster that was on
the ladder that was ridiculous too, and German on the ladder.
(34:33):
It was it was. It was ridiculous. And both these
guys if they need time off they I mean, especially
Kevin Owens after that Alabama slaying. But I know they's
announced later on in the Rumbled, they said that Cody
had multiple injuries, so he won't be making to the
press conference last night.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
But yeah, I want to know what SmackDown. But yeah,
I didn't hear the extent of the injuries. I tried
to research it a little bit before the show. I
didn't see anything. I think that Kevin's also injured. Excuse me,
I'm not sure the extent of his injuries at this
time either.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, nothing was an ounce shit, but uh, this match
put both of them on another level. It was the
second ever ladder match of the word rumble really believe
it or not. Yeah, the first one was actually Chris
bin wil versus Christ Jericho in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this is why you got you.
You were very good at remembering your.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
History at the top of your head as we segue
into the Rumbo match. I'm just gonna put it out
there too. I had a thought the other day before
the Rumble even started. Can you believe we have a
lot of Hall of famers, A lot of performers that
performed in the Rod Rumble match. Yes, one wrestler that
(35:52):
never performed in a match, one Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
One Hall of Famer. Yes, hmm, I don't know it's
currently alive Hall of Famer. No, he passed away Harley Race. No, no,
I have no idea Scott Hall. Oh shit, you know what? Yeah,
(36:22):
I guess that makes sense. During his time there, he
never was huh.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
From ninety two all the way to ninety six, he
never been in the Rumble match.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's wild to think about.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good Uh, that's a good statistic
to uh to come up with. Good.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
No, No, I just it is because you know, it's
just stuff like that. I just think about it, like, oh,
but I kind of I was just shout to wonder
why they didn't say, like this is like the second
ever ladder match. But I understood why. Yeah, because you
know Chris Bill.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But yeah, well they're not going to bring that's he
who should not be named. I guess still twenty was
it twenty years? No? It's how many years? Is it?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's a lot of years, But it's a lot of years,
ye what you know what though, on top of that,
they still advertise him as the Rumble winner, as being
number one. So when they do their their numbers, they
do by the numbers. Yeah, by the numbers, they do
basically acknowledge that he was one of the winners to
win from number one.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, I think there's going to be a time period.
There should be a time period where, you know, that
should kind of go away in a way.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I don't think so, No, I don't think. Nah, you
know what it is. I thought I thought it would
in the past, and I know we were about to
get into this rumble match, but I thought it would
in the past. But what ended up happening is I
think that Dark Sided Ring basically exposed everything even more.
And yeah, and it made it even worse because I
(38:02):
know when I watched The Dark Side of Ring of
that and my wife watched it, she was like, that's crazy.
I was like, yeah, I was like, that's why they
will never talk about him again.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, my wife watches. My wife will sit there
and watch that, and she won't watch a lot of
wrestling with me. But if there's a documentary such as that,
like you know how like the ww biographies come on A,
A and E or whatever and in the Dark Side
of the Rings, like, she'll sit there and watch those
and she really enjoys those. But when they dive deep
into the really dark stuff like that. It's one of
(38:36):
those things where you or I might know a lot
of that stuff, but you know, a regular person, like
you know, maybe our wives are something that doesn't know
a lot about the business and know a lot about
the wrestling stuff that it's like even more shocking to
one of them, you know what I mean, kind of
like kind of kind of wrenching. I guess they're like,
holy shit type of the thing.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, it is, you know, it's just hopefully, you know,
but I mean no hopefully because what he did was
a bad thing. It was I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
And you know, it's just it's just unfortunate because he
accomplished a lot, and it just it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
He's still, to me one of the greatest professional wrestlers
of all time. And there's plenty of times I'll sit
there and watch his matches over and over on YouTube,
you know, because you know, you watch him against Kurt Angle,
him against Sabu, him against Al Snow, you know, him
(39:41):
against Taz anybody, you know you're gonna get quality for
ten fifteen to twenty minutes, you know what I mean.
There's just gonna be something hard hitting, and it's it's
a shame that, you know, I know, we're going off
the rails. We're kind of going off the side a
little bit talking about Chris ben Wack here, but he
was a uh just one of the best that ever
(40:01):
stepped foot.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
In the ring. Yeah he was, he was, and I
kind of feel like today recently him and Eddie Garode
it would have been like great trainers for the modern era.
And yeah, it's just unfortunate, unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah. Uh So the Men's Royal Rumble, let's just jump
into that. Uh the great sing I'm gonna tell you
past rumbles in the last couple of years felt like
they were really uh filling it up with some guys
that on the roster that you know, have no don't
(40:40):
have a snowballs chance and a hell at a world
title match in Royal Rumble. Okay, sure, and I know
you know what I'm talking about. This literally felt like
any one of these guys out of the thirty could
be that guy. In a way, you might not be
one hundred percent sold on one of them, such as
I was on a couple And we'll get into that
(41:03):
a little bit, but you know that these guys are
top tier talents, each and every one of them. The
way that it started off right a mystereo coming out
and then Penta, I sat there more like a kid
in a candy store, excited that I was going to
(41:25):
see these two go at it. I said, I literally
sitting in the room by myself. My wife was at
the casino before she got home, and I said, this
is gonna be fucking awesome, these two colliding. And for
that two minutes that they got to meet each other,
it was pretty damn good. And I'd love to see
(41:47):
them work a match against each other on raw or
what have you.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I mean, you know this is not the first time
they got a ring with each other. They got each
other underground shout out to under ground. Even got better
in a rumble as well. He had Chad Gable coming
in number three, and then you had Carmelo Hayes come
in number four, the Escobar come in at number five.
It just got better and better, and it just the rumble.
(42:13):
This rumble wasn't it didn't die down. I haven't usually
watch certain rumbles that have like a little dead spot
in between, but they really kept it exciting from enter
at number one all the way to thirty and even
when bron Breaker came in there, it just it even
got even better with him just spearing everybody, just tearing
everybody apart. And what do you think about bron Baker?
(42:35):
Because I know we haven't been on here for a while,
but uh, bron Breaker, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
About Yeah, I don't even think he debuted. By the
time he had, we were still doing the show together. Correct,
maybe just about I think that bron Breaker is a
great combination of his father and uncle. Okay, I'm a
huge Rick Steiner fan and a huge Steiner Brothers fan.
(42:59):
As a tag team he is. I mean, he's out
there annihilating everybody. His recent series was shamous. I thought
was awesome. What do you think about him literally killing
that YouTuber I show Speed during the Rumble?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
He destroyed him. He it was the funniest thing ever,
you know what, and people that talked about it lately
that you know, this was actually the greatest like celebrity
intertwine of the Rumble ever because it made sense like
they had Tasawa come out there, he got attacked and
then Triple h is sitting there in the bag. He say, oh,
(43:38):
you know, we need a replacement. All he did was
look over here, is that you This dude's streaming live
at the Rumball? He said you yeah, you you going
in there? He said there talking to Stephanie, which even
makes it worse, like he said, there's Stephanie like, yeah
you let's go. And he goes out there. He shows
all his characters, starts sitting there getting excited, making his
face respresses like he usually do on his streaming site.
(44:02):
And it was just hilarious. And that spare he spared
the out of him. If he if he don't got
if you don't got ship in his pants, I don't
know what what pants because he spared the crap out
of him.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
And yes, you saw being set up. He bounced off
one rope and going across the trash he went in
and then next.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
H Yeah. I like the way I showed speed sold
him because the way he looked, he looked like, why
is this guy running back and forth? He turns around,
he gets speared up, He got tore up, He got.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Tore up, and of course something he got picked up,
breast slammed onto the the the the announced table. I
thought this guy was dead. Literally It's even.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Better because as you as you follow a log on
YouTube and he did the the Pro Bowl. After the rubble,
he has a whole deck brace on. He's selling that leg.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Did you see his leg? No? Okay, so logan Paul
posted on Twitter or ex excuse me. He's walking up
to him and he's like, yo, you okay, and apparently,
uh show speed shows the back of his leg. He
has got a huge chunk of skin ripped out of
the back of his like lower leg from probably from
(45:35):
landing on the table or something like that. It is
a disgusting So he had to get that ship wrapped up.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
That freaking table got victims. He's that brand new thick
table has victims on it. It doesn't see with JD
McDonald last Monday, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh god, yeah, yeah, he's been working with injuries. Did
(46:14):
you did you hear that story? Yea, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, it's freaking crazy. Tough dude, I tell you.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
So what do you think about Jacob fau got the
diesel spot that's.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
He is, uh a beast is working with Oh yeah,
oh yeah, I mean I think that you and I
spoke about it a long time ago on the podcast
that uh, most likely he wasn't never coming to w
W when he was still with MLW. That you know,
there were rumors years ago that they were interested in him,
but at the same time, like because they weren't interested
(46:55):
in him because I guess he has a record, so
at that time period they weren't really necessarily interested. I
remember talking about that with you. But of course this
is a different era of the world of professional wrestling, uh,
you know, and he he he dropped a lot of
weight since his time in MLW. Okay, he's a little
(47:17):
bit more fit. He's out there literally annihilating every single
person that steps in front of him.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yes, and now of that promo wise, he's tearing people apart.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Absolutely, dude, I think that this the new bloodline. You know.
It's uh, it's something special. There's something definitely going on there.
And they got a really good crew there with the
with the Guru was a destiny stepping in there. And uh,
you know who have just been they've been well, Uh
the other guy, what's it? Uh Tomla Tomatonga he's out
(47:52):
now because of the injury.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
So there's tom Aloe. Let's talk about this. I don't
even want to talk about that guy, bosch Master.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
He can't even land a nutshot. O. So, but but
I think that yeah, shined really well. Let me see
who else I have there. We also saw we had
the return of aj Styles, which he had been out
(48:27):
with a leg injury or foot injury for what almost
or since October? Since October? He made it come back. Yeah, yeah,
he came back and he so it's uh. I thought
he shined pretty well in the in the rumble during
his uh his appearance Joe injury. Yeah yet TEENA champion
(48:50):
New TNA champion. He won that last week from the
former Dolph Ziggler Ni Nick Namath. Why watch that TENA
show live? It was a really good damn show, I
tell you. If there was only one match, yeah, there
was only one match on the entire show. I didn't
care for the woman's hardcore match, but beginning to end,
besides that match, I thought it was a very very,
(49:11):
very good show. And I was surprised. Ten A is
in a really good place right now. I think anybody
that's doesn't watch it, they really need to.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, I've seen the clips from that show. A great
turnout and they've been telling stories and drawing the crowds,
and TNA with the new partnership with WW which we
never thought we would see, is really working out for them.
And yeah, yeah, I need to jump back in and
watch team and I haven't watched it for a while,
but I need to jump back in it.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's talk about before we
get to the actual winner of the Royal Rumble, the
Men's Royal Rumble. Who was your pick for the Royal Rumble?
Seampunk Okay, John Cena minus John Cena. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
I really thought Seeing Buckle was gonna take it because
the story was there.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, the story was there. They built up towards it properly.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
The story was there, and uh, but I was expecting
to see what I saw, which was but I see
that they intertwined the Seth Rollins and Roman Rains feud again,
which we made sense. This dude cannot stand Roman Ring.
I'm Seth Rollins. He cannot stand there. Every since he
turned on the shield. It's the story has been told
(50:29):
that he cannot stay in Rollins, and it showed during
this whole match. Storytelling wise, even with seeing Punk intertwined
with Roman Rains, with the favor that Paul Haym and
Oshim and everything was aligned. Everything was aligned. Yeah, John
Cena being intertwined in that as being the veteran and
(50:51):
the star and being his this is his last year.
All this airtwine is being good entertainment, even with the
hate of Drew McIntyre back tire can't stay in everybody
except for probably John Sato, but he couldn't stand see Upon.
He definitely couldn't stand Roman Raines Seth Rollins. He beat
(51:11):
him last year WrestleMania. Uh, the story was there. This
was a very good last ten minutes of the Rumble.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah. So of course that led to I hate to
call him this main event, Jay Usso winning the Rumble, which,
to be honest with you, I was surprised. I was like, wow,
you know, when it was him and Sena in there,
I said, wow, they're actually really going to give it
to Sena, Like you know, I was like, there's no
(51:41):
way in hell they're going to give it to USO.
I kept saying that, and then I was like, you
thought it, yeah, because I'm like to me and it's
to be honest with you, I know, he is immensely
popular and that's what this is all about, selling merchandise,
making merch all that stuff. And I know those Yeat
(52:01):
shirts fly off the shelf like god knows what, like hotcakes. Yeah,
so I said, but there's no way because this guy,
to me, it's not convincing enough. And maybe I'm just
too old school, but they gave it to him, and
I said, holy shit, they really did it. And did
(52:22):
you see the look on Sina's face when his feet
hit the ground.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, it was shocking. Now into him, but to everybody
at first. When I seen see him Punk and Rollin's
everybody else get eliminated. I was like, yeah, I said,
Logan Paul is not gonna win. I said, what's gonna happened?
Is Johnsino gonna, you know, throw out Jay Whu's because
he's popular, and you know that's what happened. And I
(52:48):
was like, nah, you know what, I think they're gonna
have Jay who's with this just to throw a curveball,
And that's exactly what happened, and it was a shocker.
I don't think he's going to main event WrestleMania though.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
You don't think you think it's going to be the
opening match, the opening match for the show.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Is the opening match or the way the press conference
went with John SENA, he's gonna trying to figure out
a way the main event WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Well that's what elimination chambers for, so he already declared
himself for.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
But yeah, that's what it's for. But you just never know.
He may lose Lemonade's chamber and that maybe John Cena
breaking point where he tried to pull his card against
Jimmy Usso, I mean Jimmy Jay Usso for the title
Shotania and then he might beat Jay Uso. That'd be hilarious,
but you know, he might see healed John Cena.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
That would add something, some fire to the story because
somebody else was saying that they felt in that press
conference that John Cena was given off kind of heal
vibes in his in that in his little Q and
A part. So and I'm just like, you know, people
have been calling for a John Cena heel turn for
(54:08):
a little while now, mm hmm, happening, yeah, and uh,
he hasn't been heel since he stepped into uh W
w S, which was what two thousand and two, two
thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Thousand and two, yeah, two thousand and two, and yeah, yeah,
actually I can see it happening. Why not, I know,
was saying that, Oh well, you know it's too late.
This is the last run. Okay, listen, that's that's old news.
You can sit here and have a face, do a
retirement to her all day. We've been there, and yeah,
how about we have a heel John Cena his last year,
(54:44):
he wanted to sit here and you know, leave on top. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, like you said, in his
uh like you said impression, he said that, you know,
he was thought by coming here doing good will was
best for business. No, it's not. Now it's best for
business for him to main event wrestlemedia and win the
World Heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, which I'm not opposed to him winning it one
more time. Are you opposed to him breaking Flair's record before?
I wasn't. Now I don't.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
I don't mind him breaking Yeah, okay, I don't mind
him breaking it. He put you know why, because he
put into hard work as he did throughout the years,
and paid his dues and and I think if there
was a guy to beat somebody record, it will be him.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah. I think that there was many there's many years
that because they equaled it, they tied it. Like however
long ago that there was a chance that they were
going to go with it, but then seeing his career
slowed down. So there, you know, there is a very
good chance that it could happen. So, and it's just
(55:52):
something that every fan is going to have to face.
Somebody's gonna have to break that record at some point, somebody.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Just like you said last night, he said, even when
he breaks the record, somebody will come along and beat
that record. Yeah. I just I'm along for the ride
of the last year of Jossa. He's the most serious
that he ever been saying that this is gonna be
the final run. He's not coming back, and I believe him. Yeah,
(56:18):
I believe them. So, you know, this is it. If
there's ever a time to have him become a Hill,
it will be this time. It would make sense.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, And of course Jay Usso said that it's not
just guntherro Is in these sights that he could face
Cody Roads as well. He hasn't fully made up his
decision as to who he will face. So do you
think that he would go to SmackDown and take on
Cody for that title at WrestleMania, or do you think
that he would go that it is going to be
(56:48):
Jay and Gunther because you know they they already have
a series. He lost to gun Through twice. I don't know, man,
I think gun Thro is the man. I don't know
if they should have Jay take it off of him personally,
but that's just my opinion. So I think going Through
had a hell of a run, is the Icy Champion.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
I think if they are gonna go with Jay Usso's
story of going through Mandy, I think they gonna have
him be gone Through. I don't think him facing Cody.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
I don't. I don't think so either. I think they
just it was one of those things that they played with,
you know, on TV, kind of thing on the presser.
But I think it's gonna be him and going through,
uh you know which it was. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
I like to see him main event, but I still
don't see him main event at Night one or Night too. Sorry, Yeah,
I had to be that guy, but like I mean,
they probably haven't do Night one and then have Sena
versus Cody for Night two, which will makes sense.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
But yeah, I mean they're we're gonna we're gonna see
how this We're gonna obviously see where it goes on
Raw coming up Netflix this Monday, So yeah, I'm looking
forward to it.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yeah, this rum Boy as a whole was it was good.
It was It was a good, solid show. The rumble
was real good. Both rumblum matches was good and one
was predictable and one was shocking. So I enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, I absolutely loved it. And that's what makes me
love professional wrestling is the unpredictability of professional wrestling. Well,
of course, when Charlotte was out there, you know, it
kind of was just like you know, after EO was
my pick was eliminated, that kind of all right, But
I ended up overall enjoying this show. And WW has
(58:41):
literally been killing it with the pay per views or
the pals if you will.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, I've done it in a while premium live event,
but yeah, they did be killing it. They Instead of
them having like fifteen matches, they've been having at least
a five four or five men and yep, been with
two and a half hours, maybe three. So it's been good. Yeah,
it's been good. I enjoyed it, especially Saturdy Knight's main event,
(59:09):
them going back back in time with Saturda NY's main event.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, they're having four matches two hours and it's a
phenomenal they'll have like a segment as well. They're doing
a lot of really good things with them right now.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
WW is hot than ever right though.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Odder than ever, and it's it's a great time to
be a wrestling fan. So yeah, keep your eyes out there.
There's always a wrestling seven nights a week on television.
So well, sell, I want to thank you for joining
me today and welcome back.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Thank you appreciate being back, and we're going to do
this again.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yes, absolutely, they get a point.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's going on, everybody. This is Rick Del Santo today.
I am joined by Showtime Marcel Williams. Welcome back, my friend.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
What's going on? I am back as that can be.
I don't know if I'm rusty. I don't know whether
I still got it or not, but obviously we're here
to do the deed of reviewing the two five Royal
Rumbo from Indiana in.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Indianapolis, Indiana. I had a great time watching it last night.
As always, I look forward to the Royal Rumble each
and every year. It's my favorite event of the year
because it is the kickoff to probably, you know, a
series of phenomenal shows for the month for the few
months going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah. I usually call it the All Star Game before
the big super Bowl of professional wrestling, which is WrestleMania,
So you might as well call it the All Star
Game to set up, like you said, the road to WrestleMania.
So World Rumble, I enjoyed it since a little kid.
You know, thirty superstars compete from one prize which started
(01:34):
in nineteen ninety three with the title shot at WrestleMania.
But a lot of history with the Royal Rumble, a
lot of big winners throughout the years. And yeah, you
know this rumble that just passed. I don't know people
comparing it to one of the best rumbles ever ever,
but I mean, nineteen ninety two will always be the
best one.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, let's just say it. And now that you say that,
I got a text message as soon as the show
ended last night, but Harry de Villa from Blood, Sweat
and Tears for Wrestling saying, and that was shocked to
hear from him right at you know, at that time
of night, saying, that was the greatest rumble ever. And
I was like, it was pretty damn good. War was good, greatest?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, it was good. You had the who's who
and the rumble. You had John Cena, Rome, Raine cm Punk,
Seth Rollins, Drew McIntyre, uh, you you name him. They
was in there, a few surprises that was in there.
As we get along talking about this, but it wasn't
the greatest. I would say, the greatest roll rumble of
the modern era, but of all time, I don't think so.
(02:38):
Nineteen ninety two is. Uh, it's not only special, but
it had the who's who and there was a story
being told in that match as well.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm very old school, so I'm always gonna choose something
that I loved from my youth when it comes to
that stuff. I think we've had those discussions before.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, we have. Yeah, you know, as we go along,
we have a lot of events that come up that
have the probably the greatest matches or whatever it is,
but we always got some that's close to heart, and
nineteen ninety two is close to heart. It was it
was a Rick Flair coming out party.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah. Yeah, his first time well not first time in
ww but you know, coming in winning that world title, making,
you know, showing that he was the true greatest of
professional wrestling winning that w WF title.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, So before we dive deep into it, Marcell, you've
been missing for a little while. What the hell you
been up to? My friend.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Life guy? A lot of stuff that's been going on,
some negative, some positive, but still here, still around. Yeah,
and you gave me a ring the other day and
UH said to do this Rumble review, which I was
fine with doing. And I'm glad to be back on
(04:03):
here and hopefully we could review WrestleMania coming up.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Absolutely, but don't sleep on it.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I have been watching wrestling. I've been watching everything that's
been leading up to this pass event will rumble, and
I know my issue so.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That let me tell you, Like, there's a lot that
we can get into regarding the Rumble, but the but
let's just go with the w W because you and
I have not had a lot of discussions lately, as
you know, regarding professional wrestling as a whole. But the
w W is on fire right now, making a lot
(04:41):
of changes, making a lot of big changes, big financial gains,
you know, obviously gaining guys since you've last been here,
Guys like see them punk guys like you know, some
Penta coming over just a few weeks ago. Some of
the biggest names in professional wrestling returning come in. They're
(05:02):
just making big moves now, big of course joining Netflix
as a whole. Uh for Monday Night Raw, which I
think has been since joining and it's gonna run a
week number four. Uh this coming Monday was you know
it's been a very big move and it's been a
very exciting show since that move.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yes, it has. Netflix has been a big success for
them because it's not only the being seen in certain homes.
Now they're being seen all over the world. So it's, uh,
it's a very big deal for them. And I can't
say I mean it's night and day from the first
show on Netflix. Obviously they had that new modern arena
(05:43):
into it don't in Los Angeles, and as they went along,
you started going towards other arenas, but the spark is
still there now. You know. When Netflix involved, they could
do two and a half hours, they could do three hours.
They do wherever they want, but they keep it within
that two and a half hour range or maybe three
hours if they have to, and it's never where it's
(06:05):
like you're bored, Like it's an hour go by or
two and you still you're still excited by watching Raw.
So Raw is way better as it used to be
on USA, as it's a big success for them.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
One of the things that I've noticed is that it's
been each other's episode has been two and a half
hours roughly, give or take, you know, a few minutes.
They don't have to do three hours because they're not
on cable TV, so they don't have to market a
three hour create some sort of time and little skits
to try to make it three hours. So it's a
(06:39):
lot of that garbage that they've had filling in in
the middle, maybe a comedic skit or something. They can
just pull that out and they don't need to put
that kind of stuff in there.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Correct, correct, and they gonna continue to do it. I mean,
it seemed like they doing some of that stuff on
SmackDown because they got to fill up all that stuff
on SmackDown now, which just smack those three hours. But
sooner lay later on around the spring of summertime they
go go back to two hours, which SmackDown at the
time when it was two hours was real good. It
was on Fox heading into the USA. But obviously they
(07:11):
getting into a routine where Row used to be with
the three hours trying to fill it up. So sooner
or later they'll probably fix some stuff around and figure
it out. But it's a big success for WWE. Like
you said, it's the biggest financial I don't want to
say a year, but the last few years since the
transition from Vince McMahon and all that nonsense.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But they were there to cover that.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, that's another story for thisself. I mean, a lot
that went on and a lot is still going on,
But we don't even talk about that. We go to
talk about success of w W and how they got
the new wave of all these fans coming in and
got a regular non fan enjoyed wrestling, you know what
I'm saying. So you have fans that don't even like wrestling,
don't even want to watch Russell. Now wrestling is the
(08:00):
most popular thing today like he was, and as we are,
maybe even better than ads we are.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Truthfully, well, I think the quality of the wrestling is
a lot better. There's a lot less than making trash TV.
So you know, it's a lot better. Let me ask
you before we jump into the rumble. Obviously we didn't
get a chance to talk about this, but the ww
I T program is started up, and of course this
gentleman that we know that has gotten signed to the
(08:26):
w W I D program, someone from your whereabouts is
your home School Paradise sly prog Wrestling, Brad Baylor has
signed to the w W program and now last night
ww officially announced during the rum with the WW Evolved
(08:46):
is coming to TB Wednesday night, eight o'clock, and of
course Brad Baylor was featured in that promo commercial for that.
How do you feel about Brad? I mean, I just
want to wish some Brad the best of luck in
his w to be career going forward.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah. I was actually corratulated when it was First and
Else a few months ago, and I reached out to
him and I've seen him at the Mania show that
I was at for p A p W. I just
told him, man, just just keep up the hard work
and do what you need to do and you will
make it to where you need to be. And that's
what he's been doing. He's been erritaining doing these promos
on X And it's a big deal for anybody other
(09:26):
than Brad that's in the I D program because it's exposure.
I mean, I don't know about the two B movies
that they put on there. I'm not gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Don't knock the two B movies. My wife and I
were my wife and I was always my wife always
knocks to be all right, And I'm like, there's a
lot of really good stuff up there, classic stuff up
there maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
The stuff, but have you seen the updated stuff?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Because when I told her Type and t B Movies,
I told her, I said, look, she was away yesterday,
she went out with her mom, and then when she
came home, I was watching her on West and I
just want to let you know that Toob is official.
Now they got a w W program coming on there.
She goes, shut the hell up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
They got super Bowl now, they got so yeah, the
super Bowl, so they coming on up. Yeah, to B
movies now they're coming on up. So I did a
little exposures, any exposures that that exposure is any exposure,
So I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I did a little research on Toby before. Uh, you know,
when I saw that the w W program was coming
up there because a lot of people knock Toob and
it's like I've always thought, you know, there's a lot
of really cool programming on there, granted the maybe exclusive programming,
so not the greats. It's a Fox owned property, so
which I thought was kind of shocking. So I mean,
like there is somebody legitimate backing it. I guess if
(10:51):
you want to call Fox legitimate.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I guess I guess somebody has to do it. And
I guess they had to do it for the independent movies.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
That's all to be God, I'm just gonna tell you
just if you all got time, go on to be
back back, go on TikTok and type in independent movies
on to B and you'll know I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And then later on when you leave Cobbins, just leave
Cobbins and you go you're like, Okay, I see what
you're talking about between them fake shooting and fake punching,
and and you could you could literally see it. Or like,
for instance, I see the world clip this dude rob
somebody outside the store and why he was robbing though
(11:37):
he shot him and then he fell into the frame
far away in the parking lot. I got that, like
it's ridiculous. Like two b's coming all up.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Though, I'm looking forward to the w Evolve program. That's
that's gonna be on Wednesday night, ten o'clock, March fifth,
that's starting. So now it's obviously yeah, it's it's good exposure,
and you know, it's a free program. They got some
really good wrestling documentaries on there too as well, if
you ever go down there and search the wrestling section.
(12:10):
So I've I've caught some stuff on there, so lets
get into the rumble. Rumble, of course, came to you
from the Indianapolis Stadium.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I forgot what it was the I think the Lucas Oil.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Lucas Oil Stadium, correct, yes, yes, yes, that's the home
of uh At McAfee, my favorite announcer. Yeah yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Used to be the former area of the Hoosier Dome.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I think they went into the history discussed minutes.
So the women's Rumble one, of course by Charlotte Flair,
had a lot of really good surprises in the Women's Rumble.
I thought you got Alexis List coming back. Nikki Bella,
as I reported on the website earlier in the day,
was made a return at number thirty. I thought that
(13:03):
when Alexa Bliss came out the entire I felt like
the roof was gonna come off that damn place.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Seriously, No, I did. Obviously it was a shock because
you've been hearing the dirt she's saying that it was
contract issue, she won't be there, and I guess everybody
try to stick to Dave Meltz her, which has been
happening lately because they've been preaching nothing but false claims,
(13:29):
and obviously she showed up ready to go.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, and she didn't last too long. She was in
there for a little bit, but she was limited. She
looks like she went down hard on the ground and
sorely disappointed in her in her tumbul outside the ring.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean it's to rumble.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Not every bump is gonna be great. No, no, we
can ask Taka for that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
He was thrown around like a rag doll everywhere. Let's
see what else, Like I.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Said, surprise of last legend from.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, there was a lot of great surprise. Last legend
came in. Yep. Jordan Grace made her official debut as
a w W roster member. Uh you know. Obviously she
was there last year as the teenage Women's World Knockouts Champion.
This year she was officially a w W roster member,
(14:31):
as she had joined. She had promised online that she
was not in Indianapolis. She was out there celebrating her
mother's birthday on Twitter, but of course shared an airline ticket.
She was lying the whole time. She popped when the
fucking crowd went nuts when her music played too.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yes, it was a big re debut of Jordan Grace
like Jordan Grace. Jordan Grace came a long way physically
and in hormous wise, and this is a big deal.
This was a big deal for her, and she had
a great showing, just like she did last year. But
they gave her wartime this year, and I'm looking forward
(15:09):
to the future that she has for ww She has
a look, she has the talent, and some people thought
she would be the dark horse to wind this actually.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So I've read a lot of people, a lot of
online reports, you know, predictions, saying that she could be
the winner. And you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't have
been upset with that, you know, because, if anything, she's
been out there on the indies busting her ass for
many many years. In TNA, she basically helped redesign that
TNA Knockouts division, you know, she did for many many years.
(15:43):
Like it was kind of stale a little bit, and
you know, how do you how do you feel like
she's going to be in WWE. I feel like this
is a really good pickup for them bringing her in.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's a very good pickup. I mean, she could go
to any brand, either raw or SmackDown, and her talent
will fill up that whole roster. You got a little
you got a lot of potential matchups. She already faced
Neoi and you got her. You could have her face,
Jake Cargo, you can have her face, Bianca Belair. There's
(16:17):
a lot of like challenges down the road, even down
to Ria Ripley. So like, yeah, it's gonna be real good.
It's gonna be a real good showing, especially this day
and age in the WW with the women's division that
is stacked, is all the way stacked. You could tell
by looking at the rumble itself, what's the past and
the president of the futures would be like for w
(16:38):
W and a women's division.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Of course, w W legend Tristratus made a return who
she just had to run there a couple of years ago,
so I wouldn't say it's uh, it was kind of
a surprise, but you know what I mean, it was
a nice addition to the rumble.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I thought, yeah, still look good, still yeah, performs well.
She had a good showing with Naya Jacks at the end,
but obviously she didn't win the rumbles and she didn't
make it to the final four. I am going to
talk about that big elimination that Naya Jacks had. Well,
she dumped over half of the women's division. She dumped
(17:15):
over Io Sky, Bianca Blair. It was a lot, and
that's when it narrowed down to Charlotte Flair, Rox and Perez,
who had a good showing that broke a record last
night being over there over an hour. Yeah, and it was.
It was good, but I do what it was when
we got to the final three.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Going in, who was your pick in the woman's division?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I actually thought it was Bianca Belair because yeah, I
really thought she gonna take it because it's been you
gotta think about it. When she wanted the rumble, it
was doing a thunderdoor mirror. She didn't win in front
of fans, so it was I wouldn't mind seeing her
face rear ripley, So I guess down the line, we
probably see that soon. But I kind of figured they
will have Charles win. But it was so predictable. But
(18:02):
then you're like, Okay, well they're not going to make
it predictable, Babe, didn't probably have As we talk about
something later that was that was really a surprise that
I thought was gonna be another winner for the men's
were rumble, but this was real predictable, did you. I mean,
Charlotte Flare is fresh off the injury and everybody's talking
about her versus Tiffany Stratton. So uh yeah, it was.
(18:23):
I mean it was good women's rumble, but the ending
was what it was.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
They did a really good job selling her injured knee
as a lot of people were working on it up
against the rope for us stretching in and uh, my
pick for the show. My pick for the show was
io Sky. I was kind of going with her. I
thought that they were kind of she was kind of
she's kind of on a hot streak and they were
really pushing her a little bit, and uh, needless to say,
(18:51):
it was not her and that was sorely disappointed. So
I kind of, you know, after she was elimited, it
was like, they're probably giving it to Charlotte, and that's
exactly what ended up happening.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, exactly what ended up happening, and they went to
easy her route. But io Sky, she was one of
my favorites too, just case of Bianca didn't make it.
But uh, io Sky had been on a great run lately,
like you said, even back from the Fall where they
had war Games in when she had a recent title
match against I guess what do you call it that
(19:26):
I lost my train of thought?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Damage control? Damage control?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And uh it was against Live Morgan. Yeah Morgan at
Saturday nice main event.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
She she's been on good performance lately, so you know,
I kind of was. She was kind of my second
choice at the I.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Mean, I guess there's gonna be at some point they're
gonna have to give her a give her a shot,
maybe maybe even an elimination chamber maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, obviously that happening to face rear Ripley. I mean,
it's it's kind of tough at this point since they
had Charlie Winn. But I can see the Bianca and
what really kind of surprised you last night? We didn't
get Becky Lynch. No.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I know that somebody I saw, Lucas Chase put out
a tweet like where's Becky? Yeah, because I think a
lot of people were expecting Becky to return. I of
course read reports earlier online at Kyrie Sane was in town,
that she was there and a couple others were there,
(20:34):
to no appearance by some of the others that were
reported that maybe they're trying to tease us by people,
you know, seeing them in town.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, I know usually sometime that Chad save a surprises always,
like I know, the rumble, like the raw after the
rumble is kind of like the wrestle Ani after the rumble,
So you just never know. To this point, they probably
wait and see whether she gonna pop up. I know
she was supposed to do to Netflix abut one and
then they waited off, so maybe they saved stuff and
maybe for Monday we basically Becky Lynch.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Uh, let's see what.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Else Before we get to that. Can we talk about
the m v P of Entertainment for the Women's Sure,
Chelsea Green.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
She's a gem, I tell you this. She is something.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Else, Yes, yes she is. She's a She's a gym.
She's a national treasure. Like even towards the spot with
Jada Parker and Biaka Blair and they on me act
like they was in the club and she came in
dancing like a white girl coup of in. It was
so great, it was funny. It's hilarious. But Chelsea Green,
(21:51):
Chelsea Green is a gym.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
She is something else, and she's improving. You know, I
wasn't sold on her for quite some time. I'll tell
you that much. Uh, but her run now with the
United States gear the title and uh uh what do
you think of the addition of the two women's titles
that they added. We didn't we didn't get to that
that with the United States and Intercontinental.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
So it's a great addition. Uh. They should take away
the tag team titles. That's why I agree with it.
Should take that away and had that. I mean, aw
ended up doing it with the TBS title, and abay
sense for them to do it. I mean, it's more
opportuning for mer ladies instead of going for one title,
you know. So, and it's more TV time for the
(22:40):
ladies too, so instead of them being an attack team
for like five minutes. So it was a great idea
to have a split Intercontinental Women's Championship in the US Championship.
The title, the titles look like a mini version of
the original men's titles, which they should have made different.
But I get it. It's about selling, yeah, just selling
(23:01):
the toy. So they had to do what they had
to do.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, let's see. So, Uh, there was the Motor
City's machine guns and di Y and this. While it
was a great match, I think it fell flat in
a way two out of three. I'll tell you why
I fall flat. The crowd did not seem like they
were alive during this matchup. But you know, if you've
(23:27):
been following both all four men to the extent of
say somebody like you or I over the years, through
all the different brands, and you know, obviously some of
these guys are a little bit more local, like Tamasa
Champa and Gorgano to the New England area. But I
thought it was a great match. It just didn't seem
like the crowd was too into it. Do you think
(23:48):
that it should have been a two out of three
falls match like on such a high profile pay re view.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I think they should have did two three four match. Yeah,
for three hours. I think it shouldn't have been uh
on for the rumble. I mean, they was into it
because of two hour three falls, like you got. If
you go do that match, you gotta have a few
more matches to make it to that point. To make
that match. It only had one match before this, and
(24:19):
obviously d I Y won the championship in a controversial fashion,
but it was no reason for them to do a
two or three falls match, So it should have been
done on TV to burn time. You got three hours
of television. But uh, that's what I felt too. I
felt the fans was into it because of the stipulation.
And I think as well. I mean, d I wh
(24:43):
just turned hill and I think it gotta be more
of a story for us to hate them.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think they did.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You know, it take more than that for us to
hate them within a month of what they was doing.
But I appreciate the hard work that they was doing
last night. And you know, it was a good match,
but the crowd killed it. The crowd, Yeah, the crowd
they kill it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, because I mean, you know, I gotta say that,
you know, all four men, they are four of the greatest,
you know, professional wrestlers out there. You know. I love
I think Tomaso Trump was a That guy's a treasure.
I think as well. I know I just said that
about Chelsea Green, but I think that he is a
phenomenal performer, like he really is. So is Sabin, Alex
Shelley is top tier, Johnny Organo you know there, It's
(25:28):
it's one of those things just like it's I don't know,
maybe people like if this happened and say, maybe NXT
it probably would have ad a different a different outcome.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Mm hmm, yeah, I agree. And Lachine Gun versus A
Revival versus DI Y and Toronto and Takeover is it
was the same performance. They put on, the same type
of performance performance, but the fans just was answered right.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think the end was kind of confused. The ending
was kind of confused with the with everybody. I think
Michael Cole had like describe it because when Angela Dawk
has hit him with the hit, I think it was
saving when he hit him with the crutch, like everybody
thought that the Street Profits was turning the hill, and
(26:22):
it al said when they hit d I Y. That's
when Michael Cole was like, hold up, they did that
because obviously d I Y attacked them and they want
to take the titles away from them. So I think
it was confusing for everybody, and then Mike Cole had
to like educate people what's going on.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, because it's going to be Street Profits and d
I Y going down the road?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, Yeah, let's see the this match. I gotta tell
you put both of these guys on a different level
for me. All Right, Cody Roads and Kevin Owens ladder match,
I gotta tell you, uh, you know, I I love
both of these guys. I think they're both really great performers.
Cody's the guy right now that they're really pushing it
(27:04):
on and they're really he's really giving you know, they're
really trying to teach the champ or treat the championship
excuse me, like it's a legitimate championship, pushing it out there.
You know, they're saying, oh, this is a title defense,
this and that which in the past. If you look
back at this, and I think that this is probably
the culmination of you know, the TKO brand coming together,
that they're trying to teach it. You know, it's like
(27:25):
they're using some influence maybe from like UFC type things,
you know what I mean, to try to make this
make professional wrestling sound a little bit more legitimate than
it has been in the past since the Vince era,
you know what I mean, correct, and which a lot
of it through the Vince era was looked at very
either one era was a very cartoony, one era was
(27:46):
very trashy, and then there was just the god knows
what era, and you know, but I like that they're
doing this, that they're treating it kind of like a
legitimate level. Like you know, so they're talking about you know,
they go back, they talk about the history, they talk
about the the the you know, how many title defenses
he's had. But this is this, of course, was the
wing Eagle title versus the WVIE title. They were trying
(28:07):
to you know, which I thought that was beautiful that
they were you know, Michael Cole went into the description
talking about the history of the Wing Eagle title, which
I thought was great. It came in from nineteen nineteen
eighty eight when Hogan won it or had it, and
then it was retired in nineteen ninety Did you say
nineteen ninety eight and nineteen ninety seven, when nineteen ninety
(28:28):
eight was Austen, Yeah, when Austin retired the belt and
then you had the Circular Eagle title. This match was
fucking brutal, dude, like these guys went all out.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
You talk about this match, and since you talk about
the sports of it, Yeah, let's talk about the addition
of the rumble matches of the statistics. Let's talk about
how they kept you informed of how many people was
in the ring, who was eliminated, how many people that's coming.
It's it's like they have legit. And like I said,
(29:05):
I'm not taking it away. We were gonna go into
his matches in a second, but you know, we haven't
talked about WW in a while, but like how the
production of Lee Fitting coming in and changing the whole
landscape of WW making it sports centric. You know, you're
talking like if you miss raw or you missed the segment, Uh,
they'll sit there and put something on the bottom of
(29:26):
who won at this match and what's coming up, and
they keep you educated and keep you up to date
of what's going on. And that's something that you know,
Vince never did or Kevin Dunn never did, and now
it's it's it's a whole different feel. The camera angles
are different, obviously, but now they're making it more sports centric.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
B Fitting. Was he with ESPN before? Is that what
it was? Yes? Correct, Yeah, Okay, so he's using That's
what I was trying to He's using his uh, you know,
sports television background to get that kind of that influence,
and it's to me, it's just amazing. It works out perfectly,
you know what I mean, It works perfectly so.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And they're going more into a video library too. Before
they wasn't like trying to pull up anything from the
eighties or the nineties. They mostly bring up stuff that
was in the modern era. And now they're bringing up
all the past stuff to educate you of how special
this this WWE brand is and bringing the old fan
to the current fan up the date. What's going on
(30:30):
with this product?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I like, Well, they're mixing in some of the older
audience by having a lot of legends make special appearances
on a lot of the shows as of late, you know,
and specially each of the Saturday Nights Man events that
have aired, they've had several legends and they showed up. Yeah,
and they showed them.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
They don't just have him come out there just like,
oh yeah, this is the last all Jim Duggan. They
show the footage of who he is, what the footage was,
what he looked like in the past to now. They
don't sit there just try him out there and be like, oh, yeah,
you know, this is hass Ale Jim Duggant. Let's just
figure it out, just go google.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It speaking let's get let me ask you your opinion
on this one thing, because on the first episode of
Saturday Nights Made a Man and when Hogan came out
and he got food out of the freaking arena, Oh
the wraw Netflix was that? Oh that was wrong? Netflix?
My bad? Sorry? Netflix? Yeah? Yeah, what did you think
of that entire What did you think of that on
(31:26):
that episode?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I knew it was coming, really, yeah, I knew it
was coming. I mean it was a long time coming
because I mean you had his first appearance was at
WrestleMania after the pandemic, and you could tell like they
try to like scatter out the booze and stuff. You
can hear it, but it seemed like it was trying
(31:48):
their best to put his mic up to cover up
all the booze and for them to be in a
small venue like this whereas all compacted. I knew it
was coming. Some people say it was the politics, but
it was a positive. We all know why he got boothed.
We all know that, So.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm not There's a lot of stuff over the years
that he's done that have made the people just not
care anymore. Correct, you know, it's not just you know,
it's it's not just his political leanings, which I might
have something to do with it, but uh, you know,
it's also the language that he used behind supposedly closed walls.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Correct he made and then all that you've got his
stories that he continues to be lying about saying that
he was part of Metallica or like, it's just so
much stuff on top of stuff with him. But it's
not even funny the performer, oh Cogan, as in what
I grew up on, so far going, so far, going,
(32:53):
so far going, it's not even funny. I'm sorry, so
far gone. I watched some of the old footage all
the time, even the old Saturday Nice main events, and
you know, all this stuff, and I still pop seeing
the guy of the performer whole koger. But right now
this guy is just hanging on by a thread of
what he once had.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah. I felt bad for Jimmy Hart out there because
walking out there with him holding the flag and getting
his ass boot, He's like, shit, I'm associate you with
this guy for.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Eighty years old, Jimmy or yeah it's christ.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Uh so let's get into the ladder match.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, this ladder match was like you said, it was
a it was a car accident. It was like a
devastating car accident. And yeah, these two got brought up
to another level.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That Alabama slam on the ladder bridge. Uh looked like
he killed Kevin Owens. Yes, I was like, in the
excuse me, there was a little blood in the match
as well, Michael Cole yelling that Kevin Owens was busted open,
and I looked, you know, I was kind of looking
away at the time, and then I heard that. I
was like, get the hell out of here. There's actual
(34:04):
blood and he had some blood up up and down
the side of his face. And WW is not afraid
to do that these days.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Nah, if it has to happen, it has to happen.
It has to make sense. So this made sense. There's
no way you go to get hit by a ladder
and not get cut somewhere. So it was good. Not
only Alabama slam, even the Fisherman buster that was on
the ladder that was ridiculous too, and German on the ladder.
(34:33):
It was it was. It was ridiculous. And both these
guys if they need time off they I mean, especially
Kevin Owens after that Alabama slaying. But I know they's
announced later on in the Rumbled, they said that Cody
had multiple injuries, so he won't be making to the
press conference last night.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
But yeah, I want to know what SmackDown. But yeah,
I didn't hear the extent of the injuries. I tried
to research it a little bit before the show. I
didn't see anything. I think that Kevin's also injured. Excuse me,
I'm not sure the extent of his injuries at this
time either.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, nothing was an ounce shit, but uh, this match
put both of them on another level. It was the
second ever ladder match of the word rumble really believe
it or not. Yeah, the first one was actually Chris
bin wil versus Christ Jericho in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this is why you got you.
You were very good at remembering your.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
History at the top of your head as we segue
into the Rumbo match. I'm just gonna put it out
there too. I had a thought the other day before
the Rumble even started. Can you believe we have a
lot of Hall of famers, A lot of performers that
performed in the Rod Rumble match. Yes, one wrestler that
(35:52):
never performed in a match, one Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
One Hall of Famer. Yes, hmm, I don't know it's
currently alive Hall of Famer. No, he passed away Harley Race. No, no,
I have no idea Scott Hall. Oh shit, you know what? Yeah,
(36:22):
I guess that makes sense. During his time there, he
never was huh.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
From ninety two all the way to ninety six, he
never been in the Rumble match.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's wild to think about.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good Uh, that's a good statistic
to uh to come up with. Good.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
No, No, I just it is because you know, it's
just stuff like that. I just think about it, like, oh,
but I kind of I was just shout to wonder
why they didn't say, like this is like the second
ever ladder match. But I understood why. Yeah, because you
know Chris Bill.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But yeah, well they're not going to bring that's he
who should not be named. I guess still twenty was
it twenty years? No? It's how many years? Is it?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's a lot of years, But it's a lot of years,
ye what you know what though, on top of that,
they still advertise him as the Rumble winner, as being
number one. So when they do their their numbers, they
do by the numbers. Yeah, by the numbers, they do
basically acknowledge that he was one of the winners to
win from number one.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, I think there's going to be a time period.
There should be a time period where, you know, that
should kind of go away in a way.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I don't think so, No, I don't think. Nah, you
know what it is. I thought I thought it would
in the past, and I know we were about to
get into this rumble match, but I thought it would
in the past. But what ended up happening is I
think that Dark Sided Ring basically exposed everything even more.
And yeah, and it made it even worse because I
(38:02):
know when I watched The Dark Side of Ring of
that and my wife watched it, she was like, that's crazy.
I was like, yeah, I was like, that's why they
will never talk about him again.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, my wife watches. My wife will sit there
and watch that, and she won't watch a lot of
wrestling with me. But if there's a documentary such as that,
like you know how like the ww biographies come on A,
A and E or whatever and in the Dark Side
of the Rings, like, she'll sit there and watch those
and she really enjoys those. But when they dive deep
into the really dark stuff like that. It's one of
(38:36):
those things where you or I might know a lot
of that stuff, but you know, a regular person, like
you know, maybe our wives are something that doesn't know
a lot about the business and know a lot about
the wrestling stuff that it's like even more shocking to
one of them, you know what I mean, kind of
like kind of kind of wrenching. I guess they're like,
holy shit type of the thing.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, it is, you know, it's just hopefully, you know,
but I mean no hopefully because what he did was
a bad thing. It was I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
And you know, it's just it's just unfortunate because he
accomplished a lot, and it just it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
He's still, to me one of the greatest professional wrestlers
of all time. And there's plenty of times I'll sit
there and watch his matches over and over on YouTube,
you know, because you know, you watch him against Kurt Angle,
him against Sabu, him against Al Snow, you know, him
(39:41):
against Taz anybody, you know you're gonna get quality for
ten fifteen to twenty minutes, you know what I mean.
There's just gonna be something hard hitting, and it's it's
a shame that, you know, I know, we're going off
the rails. We're kind of going off the side a
little bit talking about Chris ben Wack here, but he
was a uh just one of the best that ever
(40:01):
stepped foot.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
In the ring. Yeah he was, he was, and I
kind of feel like today recently him and Eddie Garode
it would have been like great trainers for the modern era.
And yeah, it's just unfortunate, unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah. Uh So the Men's Royal Rumble, let's just jump
into that. Uh the great sing I'm gonna tell you
past rumbles in the last couple of years felt like
they were really uh filling it up with some guys
that on the roster that you know, have no don't
(40:40):
have a snowballs chance and a hell at a world
title match in Royal Rumble. Okay, sure, and I know
you know what I'm talking about. This literally felt like
any one of these guys out of the thirty could
be that guy. In a way, you might not be
one hundred percent sold on one of them, such as
I was on a couple And we'll get into that
(41:03):
a little bit, but you know that these guys are
top tier talents, each and every one of them. The
way that it started off right a mystereo coming out
and then Penta, I sat there more like a kid
in a candy store, excited that I was going to
(41:25):
see these two go at it. I said, I literally
sitting in the room by myself. My wife was at
the casino before she got home, and I said, this
is gonna be fucking awesome, these two colliding. And for
that two minutes that they got to meet each other,
it was pretty damn good. And I'd love to see
(41:47):
them work a match against each other on raw or
what have you.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I mean, you know this is not the first time
they got a ring with each other. They got each
other underground shout out to under ground. Even got better
in a rumble as well. He had Chad Gable coming
in number three, and then you had Carmelo Hayes come
in number four, the Escobar come in at number five.
It just got better and better, and it just the rumble.
(42:13):
This rumble wasn't it didn't die down. I haven't usually
watch certain rumbles that have like a little dead spot
in between, but they really kept it exciting from enter
at number one all the way to thirty and even
when bron Breaker came in there, it just it even
got even better with him just spearing everybody, just tearing
everybody apart. And what do you think about bron Baker?
(42:35):
Because I know we haven't been on here for a while,
but uh, bron Breaker, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
About Yeah, I don't even think he debuted. By the
time he had, we were still doing the show together. Correct,
maybe just about I think that bron Breaker is a
great combination of his father and uncle. Okay, I'm a
huge Rick Steiner fan and a huge Steiner Brothers fan.
(42:59):
As a tag team he is. I mean, he's out
there annihilating everybody. His recent series was shamous. I thought
was awesome. What do you think about him literally killing
that YouTuber I show Speed during the Rumble?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
He destroyed him. He it was the funniest thing ever,
you know what, and people that talked about it lately
that you know, this was actually the greatest like celebrity
intertwine of the Rumble ever because it made sense like
they had Tasawa come out there, he got attacked and
then Triple h is sitting there in the bag. He say, oh,
(43:38):
you know, we need a replacement. All he did was
look over here, is that you This dude's streaming live
at the Rumball? He said you yeah, you you going
in there? He said there talking to Stephanie, which even
makes it worse, like he said, there's Stephanie like, yeah
you let's go. And he goes out there. He shows
all his characters, starts sitting there getting excited, making his
face respresses like he usually do on his streaming site.
(44:02):
And it was just hilarious. And that spare he spared
the out of him. If he if he don't got
if you don't got ship in his pants, I don't
know what what pants because he spared the crap out
of him.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
And yes, you saw being set up. He bounced off
one rope and going across the trash he went in
and then next.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
H Yeah. I like the way I showed speed sold
him because the way he looked, he looked like, why
is this guy running back and forth? He turns around,
he gets speared up, He got tore up, He got.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Tore up, and of course something he got picked up,
breast slammed onto the the the the announced table. I
thought this guy was dead. Literally It's even.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Better because as you as you follow a log on
YouTube and he did the the Pro Bowl. After the rubble,
he has a whole deck brace on. He's selling that leg.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Did you see his leg? No? Okay, so logan Paul
posted on Twitter or ex excuse me. He's walking up
to him and he's like, yo, you okay, and apparently,
uh show speed shows the back of his leg. He
has got a huge chunk of skin ripped out of
the back of his like lower leg from probably from
(45:35):
landing on the table or something like that. It is
a disgusting So he had to get that ship wrapped up.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
That freaking table got victims. He's that brand new thick
table has victims on it. It doesn't see with JD
McDonald last Monday, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh god, yeah, yeah, he's been working with injuries. Did
(46:14):
you did you hear that story? Yea, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, it's freaking crazy. Tough dude, I tell you.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
So what do you think about Jacob fau got the
diesel spot that's.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
He is, uh a beast is working with Oh yeah,
oh yeah, I mean I think that you and I
spoke about it a long time ago on the podcast
that uh, most likely he wasn't never coming to w
W when he was still with MLW. That you know,
there were rumors years ago that they were interested in him,
but at the same time, like because they weren't interested
(46:55):
in him because I guess he has a record, so
at that time period they weren't really necessarily interested. I
remember talking about that with you. But of course this
is a different era of the world of professional wrestling, uh,
you know, and he he he dropped a lot of
weight since his time in MLW. Okay, he's a little
(47:17):
bit more fit. He's out there literally annihilating every single
person that steps in front of him.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yes, and now of that promo wise, he's tearing people apart.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Absolutely, dude, I think that this the new bloodline. You know.
It's uh, it's something special. There's something definitely going on there.
And they got a really good crew there with the
with the Guru was a destiny stepping in there. And uh,
you know who have just been they've been well, Uh
the other guy, what's it? Uh Tomla Tomatonga he's out
(47:52):
now because of the injury.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
So there's tom Aloe. Let's talk about this. I don't
even want to talk about that guy, bosch Master.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
He can't even land a nutshot. O. So, but but
I think that yeah, shined really well. Let me see
who else I have there. We also saw we had
the return of aj Styles, which he had been out
(48:27):
with a leg injury or foot injury for what almost
or since October? Since October? He made it come back. Yeah, yeah,
he came back and he so it's uh. I thought
he shined pretty well in the in the rumble during
his uh his appearance Joe injury. Yeah yet TEENA champion
(48:50):
New TNA champion. He won that last week from the
former Dolph Ziggler Ni Nick Namath. Why watch that TENA
show live? It was a really good damn show, I
tell you. If there was only one match, yeah, there
was only one match on the entire show. I didn't
care for the woman's hardcore match, but beginning to end,
besides that match, I thought it was a very very,
(49:11):
very good show. And I was surprised. Ten A is
in a really good place right now. I think anybody
that's doesn't watch it, they really need to.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, I've seen the clips from that show. A great
turnout and they've been telling stories and drawing the crowds,
and TNA with the new partnership with WW which we
never thought we would see, is really working out for them.
And yeah, yeah, I need to jump back in and
watch team and I haven't watched it for a while,
but I need to jump back in it.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's talk about before we
get to the actual winner of the Royal Rumble, the
Men's Royal Rumble. Who was your pick for the Royal Rumble?
Seampunk Okay, John Cena minus John Cena. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
I really thought Seeing Buckle was gonna take it because
the story was there.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, the story was there. They built up towards it properly.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
The story was there, and uh, but I was expecting
to see what I saw, which was but I see
that they intertwined the Seth Rollins and Roman Rains feud again,
which we made sense. This dude cannot stand Roman Ring.
I'm Seth Rollins. He cannot stand there. Every since he
turned on the shield. It's the story has been told
(50:29):
that he cannot stay in Rollins, and it showed during
this whole match. Storytelling wise, even with seeing Punk intertwined
with Roman Rains, with the favor that Paul Haym and
Oshim and everything was aligned. Everything was aligned. Yeah, John
Cena being intertwined in that as being the veteran and
(50:51):
the star and being his this is his last year.
All this airtwine is being good entertainment, even with the
hate of Drew McIntyre back tire can't stay in everybody
except for probably John Sato, but he couldn't stand see Upon.
He definitely couldn't stand Roman Raines Seth Rollins. He beat
(51:11):
him last year WrestleMania. Uh, the story was there. This
was a very good last ten minutes of the Rumble.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah. So of course that led to I hate to
call him this main event, Jay Usso winning the Rumble, which,
to be honest with you, I was surprised. I was like, wow,
you know, when it was him and Sena in there,
I said, wow, they're actually really going to give it
to Sena, Like you know, I was like, there's no
(51:41):
way in hell they're going to give it to USO.
I kept saying that, and then I was like, you
thought it, yeah, because I'm like to me and it's
to be honest with you, I know, he is immensely
popular and that's what this is all about, selling merchandise,
making merch all that stuff. And I know those Yeat
(52:01):
shirts fly off the shelf like god knows what, like hotcakes. Yeah,
so I said, but there's no way because this guy,
to me, it's not convincing enough. And maybe I'm just
too old school, but they gave it to him, and
I said, holy shit, they really did it. And did
(52:22):
you see the look on Sina's face when his feet
hit the ground.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, it was shocking. Now into him, but to everybody
at first. When I seen see him Punk and Rollin's
everybody else get eliminated. I was like, yeah, I said,
Logan Paul is not gonna win. I said, what's gonna happened?
Is Johnsino gonna, you know, throw out Jay Whu's because
he's popular, and you know that's what happened. And I
(52:48):
was like, nah, you know what, I think they're gonna
have Jay who's with this just to throw a curveball,
And that's exactly what happened, and it was a shocker.
I don't think he's going to main event WrestleMania though.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
You don't think you think it's going to be the
opening match, the opening match for the show.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Is the opening match or the way the press conference
went with John SENA, he's gonna trying to figure out
a way the main event WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Well that's what elimination chambers for, so he already declared
himself for.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
But yeah, that's what it's for. But you just never know.
He may lose Lemonade's chamber and that maybe John Cena
breaking point where he tried to pull his card against
Jimmy Usso, I mean Jimmy Jay Usso for the title
Shotania and then he might beat Jay Uso. That'd be hilarious,
but you know, he might see healed John Cena.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
That would add something, some fire to the story because
somebody else was saying that they felt in that press
conference that John Cena was given off kind of heal
vibes in his in that in his little Q and
A part. So and I'm just like, you know, people
have been calling for a John Cena heel turn for
(54:08):
a little while now, mm hmm, happening, yeah, and uh,
he hasn't been heel since he stepped into uh W
w S, which was what two thousand and two, two
thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Thousand and two, yeah, two thousand and two, and yeah, yeah,
actually I can see it happening. Why not, I know,
was saying that, Oh well, you know it's too late.
This is the last run. Okay, listen, that's that's old news.
You can sit here and have a face, do a
retirement to her all day. We've been there, and yeah,
how about we have a heel John Cena his last year,
(54:44):
he wanted to sit here and you know, leave on top. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, like you said, in his
uh like you said impression, he said that, you know,
he was thought by coming here doing good will was
best for business. No, it's not. Now it's best for
business for him to main event wrestlemedia and win the
World Heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, which I'm not opposed to him winning it one
more time. Are you opposed to him breaking Flair's record before?
I wasn't. Now I don't.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
I don't mind him breaking Yeah, okay, I don't mind
him breaking it. He put you know why, because he
put into hard work as he did throughout the years,
and paid his dues and and I think if there
was a guy to beat somebody record, it will be him.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah. I think that there was many there's many years
that because they equaled it, they tied it. Like however
long ago that there was a chance that they were
going to go with it, but then seeing his career
slowed down. So there, you know, there is a very
good chance that it could happen. So, and it's just
(55:52):
something that every fan is going to have to face.
Somebody's gonna have to break that record at some point, somebody.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Just like you said last night, he said, even when
he breaks the record, somebody will come along and beat
that record. Yeah. I just I'm along for the ride
of the last year of Jossa. He's the most serious
that he ever been saying that this is gonna be
the final run. He's not coming back, and I believe him. Yeah,
(56:18):
I believe them. So, you know, this is it. If
there's ever a time to have him become a Hill,
it will be this time. It would make sense.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, And of course Jay Usso said that it's not
just guntherro Is in these sights that he could face
Cody Roads as well. He hasn't fully made up his
decision as to who he will face. So do you
think that he would go to SmackDown and take on
Cody for that title at WrestleMania, or do you think
that he would go that it is going to be
(56:48):
Jay and Gunther because you know they they already have
a series. He lost to gun Through twice. I don't know, man,
I think gun Thro is the man. I don't know
if they should have Jay take it off of him personally,
but that's just my opinion. So I think going Through
had a hell of a run, is the Icy Champion.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
I think if they are gonna go with Jay Usso's
story of going through Mandy, I think they gonna have
him be gone Through. I don't think him facing Cody.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
I don't. I don't think so either. I think they
just it was one of those things that they played with,
you know, on TV, kind of thing on the presser.
But I think it's gonna be him and going through,
uh you know which it was. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
I like to see him main event, but I still
don't see him main event at Night one or Night too. Sorry, Yeah,
I had to be that guy, but like I mean,
they probably haven't do Night one and then have Sena
versus Cody for Night two, which will makes sense.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
But yeah, I mean they're we're gonna we're gonna see
how this We're gonna obviously see where it goes on
Raw coming up Netflix this Monday, So yeah, I'm looking
forward to it.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yeah, this rum Boy as a whole was it was good.
It was It was a good, solid show. The rumble
was real good. Both rumblum matches was good and one
was predictable and one was shocking. So I enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, I absolutely loved it. And that's what makes me
love professional wrestling is the unpredictability of professional wrestling. Well,
of course, when Charlotte was out there, you know, it
kind of was just like you know, after EO was
my pick was eliminated, that kind of all right, But
I ended up overall enjoying this show. And WW has
(58:41):
literally been killing it with the pay per views or
the pals if you will.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, I've done it in a while premium live event,
but yeah, they did be killing it. They Instead of
them having like fifteen matches, they've been having at least
a five four or five men and yep, been with
two and a half hours, maybe three. So it's been good. Yeah,
it's been good. I enjoyed it, especially Saturdy Knight's main event,
(59:09):
them going back back in time with Saturda NY's main event.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, they're having four matches two hours and it's a
phenomenal they'll have like a segment as well. They're doing
a lot of really good things with them right now.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
WW is hot than ever right though.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Odder than ever, and it's it's a great time to
be a wrestling fan. So yeah, keep your eyes out there.
There's always a wrestling seven nights a week on television.
So well, sell, I want to thank you for joining
me today and welcome back.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Thank you appreciate being back, and we're going to do
this again.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yes, absolutely, they get a point.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
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