April 30, 2025 • 55 mins
The Crumbling of America isn’t just a theory—it’s a warning. In this powerful episode of Project Third-Eye Opened, Damien Terrence Dubose discusses with Tony the moral failures of modern leadership of America and the United States and how spiritual insight can guide our way forward. This is a can't miss episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our foundering fathers here in this country, brought about the
only true revolution that has ever taken place in man's history.
Evolve the idea that you and I have within ourselves,
the god given right and the ability to determine our
own destiny.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The United States of America the greatest nation in history,
ordained by our founders to be guided by divine providence,
but today we are witnessing the orchestrated disintegration of America.
Take a few seconds and take a look around your town,
your state, look at your country and your world, and
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boldly ask what in the hell is going on?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream.
The only way they can inherit the freedom we have
known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it,
and then hand it to them with the well taught
lessons of how they in their lifetime. Let's do the same.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome to the podcast Project Third Eye Opened, where we
dare to question with boldness the events that are unfolding
around us that others won't. At the end of the day,
it is we the people who will decide the destiny
of the Nation. Now introducing your host, Tony L.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Greens Greens Green Teams America.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Again.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
This is a very very special video audio presentation. This
is your host, of course, Tony L. Project that I
opened and I have mister Demion Dubois both yeah, okay, okay,
got it right. That the phonetics kind of give me
some time. He is America's ethical archetype. He advocates for
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transformative change. He's driven by a commitment to evolving America
into America two point oh. Explain people, Damian, more about
you and what is two point oh? Because I know
you have written a book America's Ethical Archetype, and that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Seemed to be a word you use.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
A lot, archetype and that that illustrates bring to mind
building or reshaping that maybe ask something to do with
you to point Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Mean originally, so I'm from Baltimore, Maryland, born and raised there,
most of my family and it is there and pretty
much right now I'm in the DC area, more financial
professional by trade, but you know, got involved with philosophy
and psychology in many areas areas of interest for me.
(03:01):
So when I started to get dig deep into those
things and seeing some of the pieces that were happening
for US politics, especially around the COVID twenty twenty era,
just got me more interested in what is actually going
on here because it just seems like something something was off,
and I just wanted to understand what was going on. So, yeah,
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the book that I wrote it was more of a
I was compelled to write it. It felt like I
was seeing some things in society that people weren't speaking to.
And so as I got into the book, the America
two point zero piece comes up when I'm thinking about
how do we actually frame our foundation and how do
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we go how do we identify who we are as
a nation? I guess when I'm looking at America. So
this book is really specifically about America. American principles or
American sensibilities, and how do we justify those How were
they justified in the beginning, and how do we set
those firm foundations and and and put them in place
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and we understand what we're actually fighting for or going towards.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I guess, and.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Coming from a Negro perspective.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
In Baltimore, which one of the most populated, I guess
you could throw in d C right, not d C,
d C but that outside d C, the DC that
nobody sees uh is populated.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
By a lot of Negroes.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
So come coming from that perspective, and if you if
you ever notice, I don't use them African American because
that's just doesn't say right.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
So I use Negro, I use Black.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
So coming from that perspective, your view is made a
little bit different and probably feeds into.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Your two point. Oh, tell people about that.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I mean, I guess, for me, good principles, and I
define good people by good principles in the sense good
principles should be applicable to all people. I mean, if
you have to identify or qualified statement about people or principles,
to me, that that's almost like looking for a reason
to say, well, my principles don't have to be as
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good because I have this specific experience and I just
don't think that good principles should be isolated to certain
types of people. That's just not my understanding of it,
and I would I would just disagree with anybody who
thought that way. So that's that's kind of where I'm
coming from.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Okay, how do you see America? Well, let me say,
how did you see America before COVID doing COVID and
after COVID.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Okay, I would say that for me when I started
so to kind of give a little history as a
younger person, I probably was more I wouldn't call it unconscious,
but just like not really in tune to things.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You know, I'm just kind of.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Going along and you know, everything is just I'm not
really tied into up tapped into politics.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm not tapped into I.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Mean, I'm learning, I'm going to school, I'm understanding all
these things, but I'm not really understanding what's happening at
higher levels of society, I guess.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And so during the COVID piece, so I goess.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Previous to that, I was introduced to philosophy, and then
I started to ask more questions, and then I'm seeing
a lot of things brewing. You know, the Internet just
allowed you to see a lot of conversations that weren't
having it happening on the mainstream media, and you just
saw something brewing that was happening over a long period
of time that was starting to come.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
To a head.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
To me, I mean a lot of ideologies that were
just they're just not beneficial for people. And so I
was tapped into that. For a little bit, but then
when COVID hit, it seemed like I'm not going to
you know, I'm making my own narrative because this is
my perspective. But the point of it is that you're
seeing people try to manipulate society with the way that
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they're presenting the news, presenting ideas. I mean, just for
one example, when you just start seeing the trends and
news when they start doing reporting. So before when they
didn't know about mortality rates, it was you know, cases, cases, cases,
all of us deaths, and then it just became cases
at the point in time, you know, And so it's like, well, okay,
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people know how to present messages to you or to
people to try to get them to think a certain way.
And if you're not, if you don't have an inquisitive mind, it's.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Going to have a lot of people. Let so, I
know a lot of people, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Who even might have had religious backgrounds, who might have
got you know, untethered from their their groups because their
groups were kind of like flocking to certain ideas and
messages that they were seeing on it on on the
media and something like I don't know political groups and
they would say, whoa this isn't tired. Let me, let
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me give me more detail. There may be more of
a I know a lot. I'm coming from a Christian background.
I know a lot of people who are Christian, and
so that they have certain ideas and principles that they
adhered to, and then then when they started to see
this political divide, they were seeing that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Some of that we all grown here. So keep using.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Certain ideas, certain things, certain things.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Let's just take the covers off and just tell people,
like straightforward examples.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Okay, I'll give you some examples.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Don't be vague, because you're trying to educate people as
well who may not have heard what you're getting.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Ready to say, that's true.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I mean, I'll give examples.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I'm kind of speaking from an abstract standpoint, so examples
of maybe even a transgenderism or something.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Like no, no, no, no, no, stay stay stay with COVID,
because you know that's kind of like I like to
hear people's perspective or COVID. It seem like you and
not have a lot of similarities. So I definitely I'm
interested in your point of view during the COVID period
and your transition.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Okay, So with COVID, I guess, so just stay with
vaccines or something like that. Just the freedom to choose
what you put in your body. If you let people
dictate to you what you put in your body, that
is a violation. That's a more violation to me. And
so to keep it that simple. If you're okay with
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something like that, that's not in line with the independence
that I know of the principles of American principles that
I agree with or or.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Am on board with.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
So that's you know, if you if you were back
in summer earlier vegetations on COVID, I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I was at the begin I'm like, what that made
in sense to me?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
And my first one said this, this dog don't hunt,
and that dog was was was on the porch, you.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Know, even when going nowhere, I'm like, make this make sense?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Okay, right as you said, you're gonna do what what
You're gonna stick what into me something that you just
created last week? Really, you know, And then the numbers thing, Okay,
five hundred thousand die support fred thousand or whatever, and
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you were such cutry down, but that same number plus
die every year through the heart related disease. How about
this death right numbers? Why did we shut down the
country for heart disease related deaths? If it's just about
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the numbers and death may this make sense to me,
you know?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
But to me, the sense was there was a lot
of there was an opportunity to gain political power at
that time through these actions.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
He had nothing to do with say right or wrong.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And I'll put this
in here as well. I have no issues with vaccines
in themselves, right.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I just have an issue with people telling you whether.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
You have for you wait an if it's good for me,
I know it right exactly. You know, you ain't gotta
tell me it's good for me, and you definite ain't
gotta force it on me. If it's good for me,
I will let you know I want it in the
free society. If I see a red car I want
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at the price I want it does what I want,
I'm gonna buy it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You ain't convince me.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
We may go hag a little bit on the price,
but I'm gonna drive to get that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You ain't gotta force me to have that red car.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Right exactly, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And we could get into to more of that, but
to me that what you just said it rests on
the on the premise of decision making, conscious decision mackey.
And that's not a premise that all people hope, but
that's a that's a main underlying that's probably the biggest
underlying theme in my book.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Now, you and I seem to match smell on the
wise and by you coming.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
From a very democrat area, let's just say that.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
And you alluded to how it wasn't, let's say, in
your culture to question things.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You just went along with the flow.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
But you, being individual, you said, wait a minute, something
in the milk and clean here. Let me reevaluate this
and maybe step out from my cultural norms and start
questioning more things. How were you seen in your community
once you started questioning things? I know in my family
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they was lined up to get shot. I'm like, where
y'all going and where y'all going?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'm trying to educate them.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
But the masses, the popular notion the wave was driving
them more than just that common sense. And these are
people who got let us after the name PSD and doctors.
But it didn't have to make sense to them, you know,
it's what they saw.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
NBC, ABCC and then and what their friends are doing and.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Fear true as you saw it, Yeah, we seem to
be from similar culture. But you being brought up in
that culture, your family's probably looked at you and said, boy,
you're doing this, are wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And he said, no, you're doing this, are wrong. Yah.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I mean, that's one of the amazing parts about that
time because it almost says something to me about people
that I don't I don't think that they used to be.
I don't think. I don't think like you said, I'm
coming from black culture. I don't really think about black
culture being really a follower culture like that.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I don't know if we had a room for.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
That, what we as a culture for eighty democrat I'm
gonna follow it in that.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I'm what I'm saying is if I'm looking at the
whole entirety of like black history of black people.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
In America or okay, okay, if I'm.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Looking at maybe the last sixty years, that's one thing, right,
But if I look at it from one hundred, one
hundred and fifty years something like that, I agree, I
don't think that that's where it comes. And I don't
And actually, and this is then interesting thing I think
that that was more American, right, I think that it's
American to question things in my opinion is but I
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just and so what I think I don't necessarily think
is just.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Let me say like this.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I think that there's something that happened, that has happened,
happened or and it is happening in America that Black
culture is always at the forefront of it. So like
if if America has a cold, then black culture gets COVID,
And so it's always like the indicator to the indicator
to where where the can in the coal mine.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, I'll tell you everybody that I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I mean, there's nor America without black people.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
And if you're going to ignore the decimation of the
black community and think.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's not going to affect you, you got a problem.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, I mean, but they have they have similar roots.
That's the thing. Like, that's what I mean about all things.
All good ideas relate to all people. And so when
you have the similar roots, when.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You have a.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Lack of self, when you have a go along to
get along mentality, when you exhibit those quality those traits,
you'll see that in every and all racial groups. So
I don't really limit my commentary to one racial group.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
No, no, I mean I definitely respect that. I mean
human nature's human nature, and that's.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Basically what you described.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
But with me anyway, when I look step back and
look at all the other cultures and see how their
family is structured, see what drives them, see that the
educational levels. Somebody spiked our kool aid. Because there's something
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going on in our community in the negative fashion that
is not in other cultures. When you look at the
Indian culture, family structure is strong, drive for academic excellence
is still there? All these things that actually say, prior
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to maybe the nineteen sixties, what part of our community?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Right? So something has changed since then.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
In regards to our community that you don't see happening
in other communities, even in the Caucade community.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's not the same. Something's different.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
It's an appeasement, it's a tolerance, it's an acceptance of
certain things.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I agree with you. I just think that.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
One of the themes in my book is just that
the way with some of the values that you mentioned
are developments. And if you never help a child develop
from you know, being ignorant your child when you're a child,
you're ignorant, You.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Don't know anything.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
And if you never help them to develop to a
base a normal level as an adult, they still stay
at that stagnant stage. So it's just like leaving the
cave man in the cave. And if you never if
you never demand anything from a person, why would they
If they can get what they need without having to
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develop the skills to go out and get with them
that they need themselves, why would you do that if
you didn't. If you could get all your needs met
without going to work, why would you develop a work method?
It doesn't make any sense. So what's These are the
things that like I try to deal with in the book,
just basic sure understanding.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, and again that's that's human nature.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I always say, if I ain't gonta get up four
o'clock five can and want to go out in that
code to to to go to a job, I wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I won't do it neighither.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I'm just saying, you know, you're gonna bring me a
check that will take care of my necessities. I'm good
taking it. You know, you got no problem. You know,
that's just human nature, you know. And and and I
think when people realize that. And if you want to
take advantage of that weakness or lower sales.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
They're gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Especially if it's benefit is that that that you asked
to can agree with it, Is that something that that
you discovered in your your studies as far as they did,
how we'll be absolutely.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I mean, I think if you're honest with yourself, anybody,
if you're honest with yourself, you wouldn't just like you stated,
if I don't have to go to work, I'm not
going to work, you know. But that's the whole thing
about values. The values are there, we've developed them because
they are in line with human nature. But if you
can circumvent that work, if you can, and just to
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give an example, if you can get a government program
to fund your your lifestyle and not have to go
out there and work, then basically you've leveraged the government
against the people to to just so you can.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Be lazy.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You'll be a what do they call them sponge or
whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, I think Carl Mars call called the useful idiots.
That they go out there and they protest for this
and protest for that, and they really don't know what
they're what they're protesting for, asking for they don't know
the origin, they don't know to come from the energy
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that that that's that's pushing them to do this.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
In a lot of cases, when they.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Beg for more government intervention into their lives, they don't
know what's what's on the other end of that. And
that comes from a lot of government substances, a lot
of government or I called welfare handouts. Copee was big
for that. I mean, you're gonna paid me to sit
at home to not work.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
That is not an odd that is not a mentality
that's conducive for continued survival for a society or thriving.
And so I mean that's those So this is these
are the ideas that you know, I just want to
dispute and just openly disagree with and try to, you know,
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lead with better ideas because those those ideas, like you said,
those dogs they don't hunt.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I know, don't get into podchest.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
But what what party do you lean towards right now?
It is still I mean, I don't know what your
political background is. I know, typically we're a Democrat, but
I don't know what your oppressionally, I.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Mean, I grew up to me the way that I
just perceived it is that, you know, that was the
expectation to be a Democrat. I guess I pushed back
a little. I would I wouldn't even say I pushed
back for a specific reason. I just it was just
an independent. I just said I'm an independent for I
was probably an independent for like ten to fifteen years when.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I first, you know, became an adult.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
But what happened is that I switched my party affiliation
because in my state, it kind of like took your
ability being an independent, took your ability away from participating
the primaries. So that was it was more of a
strategic move for me to be a registered Republican, right now.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So so that that they basically didn't didn't allow you
anyone to be other than one of the major.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Parties, right yeah, for the primaries, you couldn't if you
were an independent, you couldn't vote in.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
The primaries at all. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, because you don't have a political affiliation. You could
vote in the general election, but you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Oh wow, that's interesting. Okay, Okay, And how does.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Your family know, Yeah, that my family knows. I mean,
I'm I'm always been independent. You know, I know I
was spoken. So okay, it's just I mean, I'm just
I think that that's a value for certain people.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
You know, like to be just like yourself.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
The opinions that you have is going to ruffle some
feathers around you, and to me, you should have an
understanding that this is the expectation. I'm not going to
not be who I am just because it gets this outcome.
I mean, if I understand the outcome, I'm okay with that.
This is what I choose to be, who I choose
to be. These are the things that I value, and
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this is the way that I value going through life.
So I'm good with that. I'm not bothered.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
By that at all.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Okay, you're losing their friends and you're losing their family members.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That you.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I don't think so because I don't trying to push
conversations with people like that. I'm more of a person
who just like you know, I'm not going to allow
you to say something like involve me in something and
I go along to get along. I'll just say no,
I disagree, But I'm not going to force you to
have a political conversation if you don't want to have one.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I'm the same way.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'm the same way when you mentioned unmasking political dysfunction,
what is that to you?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
So at the base of it, it's just the whole
idea of people making decisions without understanding the foundations of
the decision. So to give you just a little bit
of background about the book, what I started digging into
is philosophy and psychology, and a mix of these two
I guess disciplines from psychologists called Jung's perspective and from
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philosophy is more of an objectivism iron Ran perspective. And
I'm just looking at how we can't make any decisions
in reality without a foundation from which to make decisions.
And so, like I said before, the book is specifically
about America, and basically what I uncover at the end
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is that America operates or was created under a certain premise,
and this is under premise of individualists. And your decisions
are going to be different if you come from an
individualist culture or set of values and beliefs or structure,
and then if you come from a collectivist, socialist culture
like these are fundamentally different and opposing viewpoints, so we
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can't have the part of what I'm saying is that
the polarization that we're seeing politically is because we're arguing
and not even understanding what basis our arguments are on.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Can't you can't say, well.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I want to be an independent, but I have these
socialist arguments. How does that even make sense? That doesn't
even So, of course we're going to see polarization. Of
course it's going to be gridlock because we don't even
understand who we are at the foundation.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So that's the end point of what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
You see, you are younger than me. So when I
was coming up, and I miss it just a lot
of times in my writings or in my podcast or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
We were taught the three economic.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Systems socialism, communism, and capitalism.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
We knew that are different, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
And being a nineteen sixties baby, I think I was
born perfectly. I wasn't in the chaos of World War One,
World War two, the Korean War was just kind of
like the Vietnam in particular Vietnam with this my father
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was was involved in that, and the so called race.
Things were kind of on Ebbing towards the end, you know,
because nineteen sixties saw the Assassin Nation in JLK Martin,
Luther Malcolm, all of the heavyweights. So I wasn't I
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saw America, you know, strong Reagan, you know strong, I
saw America.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
It didn't win Vietnam, but I saw them fight and
heard the stories of while they were there. As far
as what the soldiers were there for, the idea of
Americanism was strong.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You know. We still did Christmas, you.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Know openly, you know, uh the Easter thing, Americanism I
call it, you know, uh, still the legion. Nobody was saying,
I ain't doing petsulve leagions, all this stuff that's going
on now. America was different than for me growing up,
and we had certain absolutes.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
One absolute that I grew up was America was better
than anything else, you know, even with its wars. You know,
I believe as far as the cultural in regards to
the race thing, the worst thing that happened that to
me and everything off.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Was roots, roots and everything off.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Because I never heard about slavery in the sense of
Kuther Kine and you know, set a minor working boye all.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This other stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
As far as my friends saying and and and it
being push into our homes, you know. And now now
it's the issue, you know, because I'm down here in
the South being around my grandparents never heard about slavery,
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you know, racism, Yeah, slavery, know that there was a.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Conversation until after roots.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
So I'm bringing that up because I saw a different America,
you know, now America it is the bad guy. You know,
Blacks don't see where we fit into America like we
did back then. And as you say, when you look
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at our involvement in America, even fighting for America, we
fought to fought for a fight for America right in
all the wars, particularly during World War War, World War two,
we wanted to fight for this country.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It wasn't anything like this country ain't my country. You know.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
We didn't not to say that they had a conversation,
because some people probably would just go on them, you know,
but not to the degree that we are now where
we just stink that this this ain't mind the white man's.
The countritution is not minds the white man's. I'm just
gonna be here, you know.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Yeah, but I mean, I think, to me, that's a
that's a rebellion against a certain ideology more than it
is a race thing to me, and I noticed you'll
see it in race. But the main point that I
try to put to people is you are we operate
on a premise of judgment. You need to make decisions
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and take action, and if you don't want to do that,
then you're all going to find grievances.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
In other people.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
If you're not creating your own life, then it's always somebody's.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Fault, you know.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
So that's how when you look at it, that's simple
when you just look at it as like, oh, these
people don't want to take responsibilities for their lives. And
it does not mean that everything is going to be
good life. It's a lot of struggle. But that's where
you find your value. That's where you find the most
important things to you. I mean, tell me what people
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in the world who the things that they value most
are the things that they had to struggle for the least.
You don't find those people. You had to struggle for
those things, and that's the part of life.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
But when you appreciate it, yeah, you have.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
That's the reason why you appreciate it exactly. So these
things have to go with each other. But when you
believe that, oh these people have money, these people don't,
you should give your money to them. Oh no, I
went to work for mine, and I'll tell you what
I do with my money.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's how it works, you know. And it doesn't mean
I won't give it to them.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
But for me, the type of person that I am,
you gotta show me something, you know. I need to
see something for me to invest in you. That's how
I am, and that's my decision making and that's my choice.
But you don't get to dictate anything to me. And
I don't want to get you far away from the
point is that when you don't take the position of
I own my own judgment and I am here to
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make my own judgments and navigate the world based on
my judgment, then yes, I'm a find fault in the
world some way, somehow, it's some fault, somebody else's fault, right.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I always say that if ownership, it's ownership. When you
make a bad decision, me, me, I made the bad decision.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I make a good decision.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Me.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
That that good decision may be based on opportunity and
the groundwork or the m you know, if if, if,
if the opportunity wasn't there for me to choose to
take it.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Out, there will be nothing, nothing for me to take.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I would say, the bad opportunity allows me to choose
to take that bad opportunity based on me, not it's
a bad opportunity, and it is a bad Rather be
a job, rather be a woman, rather be whatever it is.
When you give the power to somebody else to say
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that's your fault, that lead is you empty right now,
you don't learn anything from that, and you're alloable to
go out to make the same mistake tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
But when you say, no matter what, if somebody do
bad to you, I allow that to happen.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
My bad.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
You know exactly where you make a.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Bad choice and it ends a bad Hey, I still
start this coming my bad you know, learn from it,
move on, take ownership.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Now, nobody has leverage over.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
You, exactly.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
That's that's the fundamentally gonna change your life, right the
way that what you just explained is going to fundamentally
change the way that you experience life. And that is
the message that I'm trying to communicate to all people,
and I understand the reasons why people would not want
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to accept that responsibility.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
It's happy, I mean, it's it's like Jesus in the chro.
I get it. You're understanding. It's human nature. But damn, y'all,
I mean, it's too many y'all saying that somebody is fault.
Is killing me, somebody the fault when you're all y'all
sitting there in the ship that got a hole in it,
somebody got plucked the whole, you know, say I got this.
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You know, somebody answers say I see the whole. Let
me get something to plug your hole and your bro
and you'll be good. No, dude, somebody and that ship
and the ship that you're in gotta plug that whole
for you and your life and your survivability.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You know, do that for.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
You, exact opinion.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Nobody.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I mean, you may find somebody, but if they do,
there's something attached to that when they do it.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Of course, because our we have to be transactional as humans,
because we can't survive without generating, you know, without work.
We have to do work. So if I'm doing work
for you, that means I'm not doing work for myself.
At that point in time, and people might say, what,
that's not true. And if you take the desert island example,
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how do you eat?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
You're going to have to work if you don't.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
If you're alone on a deserted island, you don't get
food without work.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
It doesn't disappear. There's no store there.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Nobody just brings you a chicken or brings you. You
have to do work, So that translates to reality. And
even in society, these things happen because somebody did it.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
And where do you see that ethics in leadership?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
And where do you see that as a period where
it was lacking and order, period where it was fundamental
it was there. People sorry, people felt it. People want
to and in the popular community environment, they want to
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give Trump all f's, you know, and want to give
Obama and Biden all a's. But ethics, I'm not saying
Trump is ethically ethically period.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I'm not saying that right. But I look at a
tree and I look at its fruit. That's how I
make judgment. Every tree is gonna have some rotten and
fruit far from it.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
But when everything on that tree, the majority off that
tree is rotten, I gotta say, a that tree got
a problem. Where do you see ethics in leadership? Maybe
not politically at that level, but just culturally.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Where do I see them? Where do I see where
they went wrong? Or where do I see they're going
or both? Okay, I mean so one of the ideas
that I think that there's people who rest on the
idea of tradition too much in a sense, and I
get that, But to clearly lay out and articulate the
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philosophical premises at the root of what you would call
Americanism or what I call individualism or capitalism, that is helpful.
So people cannot just be blindly making choices and relating
those choices to oh, this is how we've always done it,
or this is the spirit of America.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I think we beyond that point. That's what I mean
about two point zero.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
We can actually identify the ideas that, oh, this is
the philosophical ideas that we align with and that we
should ground ourselves in going forward.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
It's kind of a point of this is kind of a.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Crossroads in my opinion, because the way that I view
it is that, okay, we're coming from that statesmen, people
who present themselves a certain type of way, even from
the Bush Obama Biden view. Two some harkening back to
a traditional view of America is more of America in
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name in the sense when I think about Trump and
I and I don't I don't really think that that's
a bad thing when I'm looking at it comparatively, but
I'm thinking that, oh, this is this is a stop gap.
This is a this could either go fully bad or
we need some leaders to bring in some good ideas
so we can take this and take it in a
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good direction.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
So that's how I say that.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I mean as listen to our listens to Steve Steve Dates,
a lot went back.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And it says Trump Trump, it's a stop gap. Uh maga.
What what?
Speaker 5 (39:56):
What I appreciate about the Democrats and liberalism is that
it's a belief. It's it's it's a belief and a
lot of it is illogical, but they believe that and
and that's their energy. It's a religion. If if you
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want to say we don't trust, well, we don't have
a religion in that sense because we still believe in
Christianity Christ and that's our religion.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You say, Conservative.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Republicans, this is not a fanaticism to us, This is
not a religion.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
To us, we we more believed.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
In right and wrong morally. But when you look at
Trump and so called MAGA, that's just him.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's it's not it's not a movement per se, like.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
His agenda, it's his agenda after he's gone, Like, nobody
is gonna have that same energy, not gonna have that way,
not gonna have that same belief.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But Democrat party they don't care what faces there.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
That's why they didn't care that Obama wasn't all there
cognitive they didn't care. It was their religion that they
were pushing. You know that that that that there, What
they're trying to achieve is what they're pushing, not necessarily
the figurehead. What's your opinion with that? I mean, because
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we don't have energy like a goal like the other
side does, and and and the the ethic.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Side of that maybe what's driving it either way? To mean,
what's your point? I think?
Speaker 6 (42:00):
So for me, I don't really see myself in the
right left. I mean, I know I declared political parties,
but I'm not I'm not really a Democrat or Republican,
right or left, blue or red type of person. Like,
I wouldn't even call myself a centrist or libertarian really,
But what I would say is, I think that there's
belief on both ends, right, I think, But I think
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all people have to operate on some belief. So that's
another theme in the book. In life, you have to
have some kind of north star. There's some idea that
you're pursuing, some right, some idea of right and wrong,
good and bad.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Well, I guess that's that's what I'm saying that they
they left seem to have a north star. They got
something that's driving to the right. Not so much.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
I mean I would think that they I thought that
they do because I think that.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
They align themselves a lot with Christianity in the sorce
they do.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
They do right, but you don't see that drive.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
If it was a drive on this side, there'd be
no speak on what's a woman, what's a man?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
That would lost a long time.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
True.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
I mean, I get that part, but I think that's
a that's not a virtue to me, Like to have
a hard core if you was align yourself with Christianity
and you say, Okay, these are the principles that I
operate on, but I'm not really that invested to to
the point that I would impose them Like to me,
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that's not a virtue, no, no, no, not a prose.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
But just just say that there is no such thing
as one gender and the two gender.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Rules where where.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
God says I'm gonna create Adam, I'm gonna create Eve,
and I'm not gonna create you know, ste anything else
you know in between you that, but the other sides
say that there's no and sis different genders.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You know.
Speaker 6 (44:04):
I mean, I understand what you're saying, I get it,
and I know what I'm saying is that I approach
this from a more conceptual I guess this is things
that I talk about in the book. I look at
it from a conceptual perspective. Like if you introduce the
idea to me that hey, there's this other uh whatever
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what you call it, gender or whatever that has this
these specific circumstances that I can identify intelligibly, then I'm like,
all right, whatever. But if you just say, well, no
things fits, no things fit in boxes, so let's not
have boxes, then I'm just like, I don't I'm not
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interested in that, you know, because it doesn't it doesn't
help us as humans, like ideas help us to navigate
the world, and we're using ideas and concepts to simplify
and some people want over complicate when it's really no
need to over complicate except for the fact that you're
just not understanding how ideas work. That's one of the
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points that I'm trying to make it in the book.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
But they got a gender where they don't want to
really you know.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah, they don't want to be played right, they don't
want to declare it. But let's be honest though, with
Oura there there's a lot of nuance with a lot
of with life period, we do put things in black
and white, black and white boxes. It's not to say
that there is no variation. It's just to say that
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we can only think and do logic in black and white.
This these are the things that we These are the
ideas that we hold to move forward. It doesn't negate
the fact that life is a variation of things.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
We just don't.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
We just it just doesn't help us to say, oh,
it's sixty nine different genders and I got to identify.
I don't how am I going to use this, but
they want me to. They want me to affirm that, Yeah,
that's true, but they need you to affirm it the way.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
That's another thing.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Well see, that's here's way I would say, will you
take that judgment percent perspective and just say no, I
don't even I don't have to affirm or anything. And
I don't care about being your bad guy because you don't.
And the thing is, you don't really put and I'm
not saying you know what, I'm saying that they don't
really present you with negative consequences. And this is one
of the things I pushed in the book as well,
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like we get too involved in conversations that really don't
they don't provide anything positive for us. So for me
being the owner of my own judgment in my time
and my energy, if somebody has something that they say
that I think is ridiculous, it's on me to turn
the TV off. It's on me to ignore it. It's
on me to let that thing die because if it's
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a bad that I did, that person can't use that
idea to live a life. So if I don't give
it life, it's going to die on the vine.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
This is how it's going.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Well, that's that's that's good to a point. But when
you're in a community and a lot of people don't
have your same conviction and they're the mindset, I just
I just want peace.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I just want peace. If if if, if.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
There's five people over there and they're saying there's a
nice genders, and they'll create so much, so much drama.
I just I just want to go to sleep y'all.
I mean, I just want to go back and watch
my n B A. And I mean, it don't matter
if you believe what you want, I don't matter. But
then as that grows, that energy grows, and there's no
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subsequent pushback in in in what traditions or absolutes, then
they're gonna eventually gonna overtake us.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
And now it's on to primple.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
It's gonna filter into your home because it's just the inertia,
the energy, because now that's that's popular notion. Now it's
it's it's over. It's overflooded the walls, even your community.
Now it's coming into your schools, it's coming into your churches,
it's coming on to your TV.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
You know, because yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
The people, the good people, didn't say no in the
crib when it's I mean started.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
And and I agree with you to an extent, right.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
And so another thing about my book is it talks
about this is specifically about leadership. Like I don't try to,
you know, demonize a regular laymen person for doing what
they do because life is hard, you know, and people
got kids, they got jobs, they got and they don't
have time to always do the research and understanding and
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all of that. So for me, when I'm being critical
in my book, I'm being critical of leaders because leaders
really drive how those people that you just mentioned, they
really drive a lot of the way that they think.
And so to me that what you just said is
that means that there's a lack of leadership.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
That's what that means to.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Me, right, because somebody gotta say no, anybody looking at
everybody looking around.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Who's gonna be that person to say no? Yeah, better
than look in the mirror?
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
And to me, so for me, that's one of my
things is I like to take I'm taking on the responsibility.
I can't I can't be you know, worried about how
other people approach it. I'm just saying, hey, this is
what I'm saying. You can get behind me. And I've
come in contact with friends who are like, man, you're
saying some stuff, and I agree with you, but I
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don't want to go.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Out there and see it. But if you do it,
then I support.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
No, no, no no. You tell me, man that idea
makes money, then you come get me money what you know.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
But it may be a money thinking, but it may.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Not analogy, a stance, a position, you know, whatever it
may be. People want to wait, you know, especially when
it's challenging. They're gonna put you out there in front
to see how how many sorts you take. You know,
if if you survive it, then okay. But now by
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my side, taking your swords too, because if I succeed
on a moral cause, that's gonna help all of us.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
True, true, But I think that that's just the leader's
life experience, all leaders just and I don't even think
you should concern yourself with that other stuff. And I'm
not I agree with you. I understand what you're saying,
but you can't be concerned with the others.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
Just lead. They want to see you, and they either
going to follow or they're not.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
You know, No, I say as far as the other
person coming to you in some kind of remark, but
not really wanting to stay by your side.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Oh yeah, you know that person. You got to be you.
And I'm always saying, if I believe in.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
Something, and I believe in the pastorate, that's the ground
that I'm willing to die on for my principle of
nothing else. Exactly, I think what you're saying for ethics,
people don't have principle no more.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
That's exactly what I'm saying. They don't even know what
it is to have to operate on principle. Everything is
what has happened most recently. You know what happened today
for money?
Speaker 3 (51:32):
For money?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, true, true, money, that's true.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
But money is to me more of what happened today
type of thing too, because when I'm saying what happened today,
I mean without reference or understanding of history. How does
what happened today fit in with what we know already?
Because you basically you derive principles from history and what
we've come to understand. But if you operate on you know,
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all I know is this today just operating.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
With no principles. You you don't.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
Really that's not what I would call a self. That's
not what I would call And then you can't be
an individual like that.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
I agree, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Okay, So after you close, what do you want people
to know about you? How to stay in contact with you,
how to reach out to you? How again, how to
how to stay in contact with you?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
What you visit?
Speaker 6 (52:31):
My website is Damian t dubos dot com. My information
background and book is there, uh, and some of the
other content that I do America's ethical archetype, establishing the Wow,
establishing the psychology of moral authority, and correcting our countries
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broken politics.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Okay, on your kind of Twitter Facebook and social.
Speaker 6 (52:56):
Media Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, I'm all there, Dainian to the boats.
Everyone you go to I guess TikTok all of them.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
X excellent, excellent. Yeah, man, I mean it's.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
Been definitely pleasure, man, and and definitely much much respect
for what you're doing.
Speaker 8 (53:17):
Your your your your journey is just beginning, uh, as
far as I'm being enlightenment and and going. Because when
someone is driven by principal.
Speaker 5 (53:32):
And morals, they gotta be willing to walk that path alone.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Uh say, that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
But you gotta be willing willing to do that. If
you're not willing to do that, then this this ain't
the path for you, but you're you're that path and
and and you're walking a strong so definitely keeping the
good work and they gonna do it for you. Definitely
reach out to me and and and if you've got
enough book dropping, reach out to me as well.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
And and I'll put you on.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
I appreciate sciate you that we do appreciate this time.
Thank you, good day, all right, have a good.
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Greens Greens Green Teams America.
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This is a very very special video audio presentation. This
is your host, of course, Tony L. Project that I
opened and I have mister Demion Dubois both yeah, okay, okay,
got it right. That the phonetics kind of give me
some time. He is America's ethical archetype. He advocates for
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transformative change. He's driven by a commitment to evolving America
into America two point oh. Explain people, Damian, more about
you and what is two point oh? Because I know
you have written a book America's Ethical Archetype, and that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Seemed to be a word you use.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
A lot, archetype and that that illustrates bring to mind
building or reshaping that maybe ask something to do with
you to point Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Mean originally, so I'm from Baltimore, Maryland, born and raised there,
most of my family and it is there and pretty
much right now I'm in the DC area, more financial
professional by trade, but you know, got involved with philosophy
and psychology in many areas areas of interest for me.
(03:01):
So when I started to get dig deep into those
things and seeing some of the pieces that were happening
for US politics, especially around the COVID twenty twenty era,
just got me more interested in what is actually going
on here because it just seems like something something was off,
and I just wanted to understand what was going on. So, yeah,
(03:23):
the book that I wrote it was more of a
I was compelled to write it. It felt like I
was seeing some things in society that people weren't speaking to.
And so as I got into the book, the America
two point zero piece comes up when I'm thinking about
how do we actually frame our foundation and how do
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we go how do we identify who we are as
a nation? I guess when I'm looking at America. So
this book is really specifically about America. American principles or
American sensibilities, and how do we justify those How were
they justified in the beginning, and how do we set
those firm foundations and and and put them in place
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and we understand what we're actually fighting for or going towards.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I guess, and.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Coming from a Negro perspective.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
In Baltimore, which one of the most populated, I guess
you could throw in d C right, not d C,
d C but that outside d C, the DC that
nobody sees uh is populated.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
By a lot of Negroes.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
So come coming from that perspective, and if you if
you ever notice, I don't use them African American because
that's just doesn't say right.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
So I use Negro, I use Black.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
So coming from that perspective, your view is made a
little bit different and probably feeds into.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Your two point. Oh, tell people about that.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I mean, I guess, for me, good principles, and I
define good people by good principles in the sense good
principles should be applicable to all people. I mean, if
you have to identify or qualified statement about people or principles,
to me, that that's almost like looking for a reason
to say, well, my principles don't have to be as
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good because I have this specific experience and I just
don't think that good principles should be isolated to certain
types of people. That's just not my understanding of it,
and I would I would just disagree with anybody who
thought that way. So that's that's kind of where I'm
coming from.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Okay, how do you see America? Well, let me say,
how did you see America before COVID doing COVID and
after COVID.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Okay, I would say that for me when I started
so to kind of give a little history as a
younger person, I probably was more I wouldn't call it unconscious,
but just like not really in tune to things.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You know, I'm just kind of.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Going along and you know, everything is just I'm not
really tied into up tapped into politics.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm not tapped into I.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Mean, I'm learning, I'm going to school, I'm understanding all
these things, but I'm not really understanding what's happening at
higher levels of society, I guess.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And so during the COVID piece, so I goess.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Previous to that, I was introduced to philosophy, and then
I started to ask more questions, and then I'm seeing
a lot of things brewing. You know, the Internet just
allowed you to see a lot of conversations that weren't
having it happening on the mainstream media, and you just
saw something brewing that was happening over a long period
of time that was starting to come.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
To a head.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
To me, I mean a lot of ideologies that were
just they're just not beneficial for people. And so I
was tapped into that. For a little bit, but then
when COVID hit, it seemed like I'm not going to
you know, I'm making my own narrative because this is
my perspective. But the point of it is that you're
seeing people try to manipulate society with the way that
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they're presenting the news, presenting ideas. I mean, just for
one example, when you just start seeing the trends and
news when they start doing reporting. So before when they
didn't know about mortality rates, it was you know, cases, cases, cases,
all of us deaths, and then it just became cases
at the point in time, you know, And so it's like, well, okay,
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people know how to present messages to you or to
people to try to get them to think a certain way.
And if you're not, if you don't have an inquisitive mind, it's.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Going to have a lot of people. Let so, I
know a lot of people, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Who even might have had religious backgrounds, who might have
got you know, untethered from their their groups because their
groups were kind of like flocking to certain ideas and
messages that they were seeing on it on on the
media and something like I don't know political groups and
they would say, whoa this isn't tired. Let me, let
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me give me more detail. There may be more of
a I know a lot. I'm coming from a Christian background.
I know a lot of people who are Christian, and
so that they have certain ideas and principles that they
adhered to, and then then when they started to see
this political divide, they were seeing that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Some of that we all grown here. So keep using.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Certain ideas, certain things, certain things.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Let's just take the covers off and just tell people,
like straightforward examples.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Okay, I'll give you some examples.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Don't be vague, because you're trying to educate people as
well who may not have heard what you're getting.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Ready to say, that's true.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I mean, I'll give examples.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I'm kind of speaking from an abstract standpoint, so examples
of maybe even a transgenderism or something.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Like no, no, no, no, no, stay stay stay with COVID,
because you know that's kind of like I like to
hear people's perspective or COVID. It seem like you and
not have a lot of similarities. So I definitely I'm
interested in your point of view during the COVID period
and your transition.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Okay, So with COVID, I guess, so just stay with
vaccines or something like that. Just the freedom to choose
what you put in your body. If you let people
dictate to you what you put in your body, that
is a violation. That's a more violation to me. And
so to keep it that simple. If you're okay with
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something like that, that's not in line with the independence
that I know of the principles of American principles that
I agree with or or.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Am on board with.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
So that's you know, if you if you were back
in summer earlier vegetations on COVID, I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I was at the begin I'm like, what that made
in sense to me?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
And my first one said this, this dog don't hunt,
and that dog was was was on the porch, you.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Know, even when going nowhere, I'm like, make this make sense?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Okay, right as you said, you're gonna do what what
You're gonna stick what into me something that you just
created last week? Really, you know, And then the numbers thing, Okay,
five hundred thousand die support fred thousand or whatever, and
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you were such cutry down, but that same number plus
die every year through the heart related disease. How about
this death right numbers? Why did we shut down the
country for heart disease related deaths? If it's just about
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the numbers and death may this make sense to me,
you know?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
But to me, the sense was there was a lot
of there was an opportunity to gain political power at
that time through these actions.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
He had nothing to do with say right or wrong.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And I'll put this
in here as well. I have no issues with vaccines
in themselves, right.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I just have an issue with people telling you whether.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
You have for you wait an if it's good for me,
I know it right exactly. You know, you ain't gotta
tell me it's good for me, and you definite ain't
gotta force it on me. If it's good for me,
I will let you know I want it in the
free society. If I see a red car I want
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at the price I want it does what I want,
I'm gonna buy it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You ain't convince me.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
We may go hag a little bit on the price,
but I'm gonna drive to get that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You ain't gotta force me to have that red car.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Right exactly, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And we could get into to more of that, but
to me that what you just said it rests on
the on the premise of decision making, conscious decision mackey.
And that's not a premise that all people hope, but
that's a that's a main underlying that's probably the biggest
underlying theme in my book.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Now, you and I seem to match smell on the
wise and by you coming.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
From a very democrat area, let's just say that.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
And you alluded to how it wasn't, let's say, in
your culture to question things.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You just went along with the flow.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
But you, being individual, you said, wait a minute, something
in the milk and clean here. Let me reevaluate this
and maybe step out from my cultural norms and start
questioning more things. How were you seen in your community
once you started questioning things? I know in my family
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they was lined up to get shot. I'm like, where
y'all going and where y'all going?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'm trying to educate them.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
But the masses, the popular notion the wave was driving
them more than just that common sense. And these are
people who got let us after the name PSD and doctors.
But it didn't have to make sense to them, you know,
it's what they saw.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
NBC, ABCC and then and what their friends are doing and.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Fear true as you saw it, Yeah, we seem to
be from similar culture. But you being brought up in
that culture, your family's probably looked at you and said, boy,
you're doing this, are wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And he said, no, you're doing this, are wrong. Yah.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I mean, that's one of the amazing parts about that
time because it almost says something to me about people
that I don't I don't think that they used to be.
I don't think. I don't think like you said, I'm
coming from black culture. I don't really think about black
culture being really a follower culture like that.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I don't know if we had a room for.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
That, what we as a culture for eighty democrat I'm
gonna follow it in that.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I'm what I'm saying is if I'm looking at the
whole entirety of like black history of black people.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
In America or okay, okay, if I'm.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Looking at maybe the last sixty years, that's one thing, right,
But if I look at it from one hundred, one
hundred and fifty years something like that, I agree, I
don't think that that's where it comes. And I don't
And actually, and this is then interesting thing I think
that that was more American, right, I think that it's
American to question things in my opinion is but I
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just and so what I think I don't necessarily think
is just.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Let me say like this.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I think that there's something that happened, that has happened,
happened or and it is happening in America that Black
culture is always at the forefront of it. So like
if if America has a cold, then black culture gets COVID,
And so it's always like the indicator to the indicator
to where where the can in the coal mine.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, I'll tell you everybody that I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I mean, there's nor America without black people.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
And if you're going to ignore the decimation of the
black community and think.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's not going to affect you, you got a problem.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, I mean, but they have they have similar roots.
That's the thing. Like, that's what I mean about all things.
All good ideas relate to all people. And so when
you have the similar roots, when.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You have a.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Lack of self, when you have a go along to
get along mentality, when you exhibit those quality those traits,
you'll see that in every and all racial groups. So
I don't really limit my commentary to one racial group.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
No, no, I mean I definitely respect that. I mean
human nature's human nature, and that's.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Basically what you described.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
But with me anyway, when I look step back and
look at all the other cultures and see how their
family is structured, see what drives them, see that the
educational levels. Somebody spiked our kool aid. Because there's something
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going on in our community in the negative fashion that
is not in other cultures. When you look at the
Indian culture, family structure is strong, drive for academic excellence
is still there? All these things that actually say, prior
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to maybe the nineteen sixties, what part of our community?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Right? So something has changed since then.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
In regards to our community that you don't see happening
in other communities, even in the Caucade community.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's not the same. Something's different.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
It's an appeasement, it's a tolerance, it's an acceptance of
certain things.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I agree with you. I just think that.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
One of the themes in my book is just that
the way with some of the values that you mentioned
are developments. And if you never help a child develop
from you know, being ignorant your child when you're a child,
you're ignorant, You.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Don't know anything.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
And if you never help them to develop to a
base a normal level as an adult, they still stay
at that stagnant stage. So it's just like leaving the
cave man in the cave. And if you never if
you never demand anything from a person, why would they
If they can get what they need without having to
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develop the skills to go out and get with them
that they need themselves, why would you do that if
you didn't. If you could get all your needs met
without going to work, why would you develop a work method?
It doesn't make any sense. So what's These are the
things that like I try to deal with in the book,
just basic sure understanding.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, and again that's that's human nature.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I always say, if I ain't gonta get up four
o'clock five can and want to go out in that
code to to to go to a job, I wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I won't do it neighither.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I'm just saying, you know, you're gonna bring me a
check that will take care of my necessities. I'm good
taking it. You know, you got no problem. You know,
that's just human nature, you know. And and and I
think when people realize that. And if you want to
take advantage of that weakness or lower sales.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
They're gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Especially if it's benefit is that that that you asked
to can agree with it, Is that something that that
you discovered in your your studies as far as they did,
how we'll be absolutely.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I mean, I think if you're honest with yourself, anybody,
if you're honest with yourself, you wouldn't just like you stated,
if I don't have to go to work, I'm not
going to work, you know. But that's the whole thing
about values. The values are there, we've developed them because
they are in line with human nature. But if you
can circumvent that work, if you can, and just to
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give an example, if you can get a government program
to fund your your lifestyle and not have to go
out there and work, then basically you've leveraged the government
against the people to to just so you can.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Be lazy.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You'll be a what do they call them sponge or
whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, I think Carl Mars call called the useful idiots.
That they go out there and they protest for this
and protest for that, and they really don't know what
they're what they're protesting for, asking for they don't know
the origin, they don't know to come from the energy
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that that that's that's pushing them to do this.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
In a lot of cases, when they.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Beg for more government intervention into their lives, they don't
know what's what's on the other end of that. And
that comes from a lot of government substances, a lot
of government or I called welfare handouts. Copee was big
for that. I mean, you're gonna paid me to sit
at home to not work.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
That is not an odd that is not a mentality
that's conducive for continued survival for a society or thriving.
And so I mean that's those So this is these
are the ideas that you know, I just want to
dispute and just openly disagree with and try to, you know,
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lead with better ideas because those those ideas, like you said,
those dogs they don't hunt.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I know, don't get into podchest.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
But what what party do you lean towards right now?
It is still I mean, I don't know what your
political background is. I know, typically we're a Democrat, but
I don't know what your oppressionally, I.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Mean, I grew up to me the way that I
just perceived it is that, you know, that was the
expectation to be a Democrat. I guess I pushed back
a little. I would I wouldn't even say I pushed
back for a specific reason. I just it was just
an independent. I just said I'm an independent for I
was probably an independent for like ten to fifteen years when.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I first, you know, became an adult.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
But what happened is that I switched my party affiliation
because in my state, it kind of like took your
ability being an independent, took your ability away from participating
the primaries. So that was it was more of a
strategic move for me to be a registered Republican, right now.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So so that that they basically didn't didn't allow you
anyone to be other than one of the major.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Parties, right yeah, for the primaries, you couldn't if you
were an independent, you couldn't vote in.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
The primaries at all. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, because you don't have a political affiliation. You could
vote in the general election, but you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Oh wow, that's interesting. Okay, Okay, And how does.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Your family know, Yeah, that my family knows. I mean,
I'm I'm always been independent. You know, I know I
was spoken. So okay, it's just I mean, I'm just
I think that that's a value for certain people.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
You know, like to be just like yourself.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
The opinions that you have is going to ruffle some
feathers around you, and to me, you should have an
understanding that this is the expectation. I'm not going to
not be who I am just because it gets this outcome.
I mean, if I understand the outcome, I'm okay with that.
This is what I choose to be, who I choose
to be. These are the things that I value, and
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this is the way that I value going through life.
So I'm good with that. I'm not bothered.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
By that at all.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Okay, you're losing their friends and you're losing their family members.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That you.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I don't think so because I don't trying to push
conversations with people like that. I'm more of a person
who just like you know, I'm not going to allow
you to say something like involve me in something and
I go along to get along. I'll just say no,
I disagree, But I'm not going to force you to
have a political conversation if you don't want to have one.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I'm the same way.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'm the same way when you mentioned unmasking political dysfunction,
what is that to you?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
So at the base of it, it's just the whole
idea of people making decisions without understanding the foundations of
the decision. So to give you just a little bit
of background about the book, what I started digging into
is philosophy and psychology, and a mix of these two
I guess disciplines from psychologists called Jung's perspective and from
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philosophy is more of an objectivism iron Ran perspective. And
I'm just looking at how we can't make any decisions
in reality without a foundation from which to make decisions.
And so, like I said before, the book is specifically
about America, and basically what I uncover at the end
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is that America operates or was created under a certain premise,
and this is under premise of individualists. And your decisions
are going to be different if you come from an
individualist culture or set of values and beliefs or structure,
and then if you come from a collectivist, socialist culture
like these are fundamentally different and opposing viewpoints, so we
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can't have the part of what I'm saying is that
the polarization that we're seeing politically is because we're arguing
and not even understanding what basis our arguments are on.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Can't you can't say, well.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I want to be an independent, but I have these
socialist arguments. How does that even make sense? That doesn't
even So, of course we're going to see polarization. Of
course it's going to be gridlock because we don't even
understand who we are at the foundation.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So that's the end point of what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
You see, you are younger than me. So when I
was coming up, and I miss it just a lot
of times in my writings or in my podcast or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
We were taught the three economic.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Systems socialism, communism, and capitalism.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
We knew that are different, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
And being a nineteen sixties baby, I think I was
born perfectly. I wasn't in the chaos of World War One,
World War two, the Korean War was just kind of
like the Vietnam in particular Vietnam with this my father
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was was involved in that, and the so called race.
Things were kind of on Ebbing towards the end, you know,
because nineteen sixties saw the Assassin Nation in JLK Martin,
Luther Malcolm, all of the heavyweights. So I wasn't I
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saw America, you know, strong Reagan, you know strong, I
saw America.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
It didn't win Vietnam, but I saw them fight and
heard the stories of while they were there. As far
as what the soldiers were there for, the idea of
Americanism was strong.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You know. We still did Christmas, you.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Know openly, you know, uh the Easter thing, Americanism I
call it, you know, uh, still the legion. Nobody was saying,
I ain't doing petsulve leagions, all this stuff that's going
on now. America was different than for me growing up,
and we had certain absolutes.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
One absolute that I grew up was America was better
than anything else, you know, even with its wars. You know,
I believe as far as the cultural in regards to
the race thing, the worst thing that happened that to
me and everything off.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Was roots, roots and everything off.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Because I never heard about slavery in the sense of
Kuther Kine and you know, set a minor working boye all.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This other stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
As far as my friends saying and and and it
being push into our homes, you know. And now now
it's the issue, you know, because I'm down here in
the South being around my grandparents never heard about slavery,
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you know, racism, Yeah, slavery, know that there was a.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Conversation until after roots.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
So I'm bringing that up because I saw a different America,
you know, now America it is the bad guy. You know,
Blacks don't see where we fit into America like we
did back then. And as you say, when you look
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at our involvement in America, even fighting for America, we
fought to fought for a fight for America right in
all the wars, particularly during World War War, World War two,
we wanted to fight for this country.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It wasn't anything like this country ain't my country. You know.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
We didn't not to say that they had a conversation,
because some people probably would just go on them, you know,
but not to the degree that we are now where
we just stink that this this ain't mind the white man's.
The countritution is not minds the white man's. I'm just
gonna be here, you know.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Yeah, but I mean, I think, to me, that's a
that's a rebellion against a certain ideology more than it
is a race thing to me, and I noticed you'll
see it in race. But the main point that I
try to put to people is you are we operate
on a premise of judgment. You need to make decisions
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and take action, and if you don't want to do that,
then you're all going to find grievances.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
In other people.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
If you're not creating your own life, then it's always somebody's.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Fault, you know.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
So that's how when you look at it, that's simple
when you just look at it as like, oh, these
people don't want to take responsibilities for their lives. And
it does not mean that everything is going to be
good life. It's a lot of struggle. But that's where
you find your value. That's where you find the most
important things to you. I mean, tell me what people
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in the world who the things that they value most
are the things that they had to struggle for the least.
You don't find those people. You had to struggle for
those things, and that's the part of life.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
But when you appreciate it, yeah, you have.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
That's the reason why you appreciate it exactly. So these
things have to go with each other. But when you
believe that, oh these people have money, these people don't,
you should give your money to them. Oh no, I
went to work for mine, and I'll tell you what
I do with my money.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's how it works, you know. And it doesn't mean
I won't give it to them.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
But for me, the type of person that I am,
you gotta show me something, you know. I need to
see something for me to invest in you. That's how
I am, and that's my decision making and that's my choice.
But you don't get to dictate anything to me. And
I don't want to get you far away from the
point is that when you don't take the position of
I own my own judgment and I am here to
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make my own judgments and navigate the world based on
my judgment, then yes, I'm a find fault in the
world some way, somehow, it's some fault, somebody else's fault, right.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I always say that if ownership, it's ownership. When you
make a bad decision, me, me, I made the bad decision.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I make a good decision.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Me.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
That that good decision may be based on opportunity and
the groundwork or the m you know, if if, if,
if the opportunity wasn't there for me to choose to
take it.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Out, there will be nothing, nothing for me to take.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I would say, the bad opportunity allows me to choose
to take that bad opportunity based on me, not it's
a bad opportunity, and it is a bad Rather be
a job, rather be a woman, rather be whatever it is.
When you give the power to somebody else to say
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that's your fault, that lead is you empty right now,
you don't learn anything from that, and you're alloable to
go out to make the same mistake tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
But when you say, no matter what, if somebody do
bad to you, I allow that to happen.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
My bad.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
You know exactly where you make a.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Bad choice and it ends a bad Hey, I still
start this coming my bad you know, learn from it,
move on, take ownership.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Now, nobody has leverage over.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
You, exactly.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
That's that's the fundamentally gonna change your life, right the
way that what you just explained is going to fundamentally
change the way that you experience life. And that is
the message that I'm trying to communicate to all people,
and I understand the reasons why people would not want
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to accept that responsibility.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
It's happy, I mean, it's it's like Jesus in the chro.
I get it. You're understanding. It's human nature. But damn, y'all,
I mean, it's too many y'all saying that somebody is fault.
Is killing me, somebody the fault when you're all y'all
sitting there in the ship that got a hole in it,
somebody got plucked the whole, you know, say I got this.
(35:17):
You know, somebody answers say I see the whole. Let
me get something to plug your hole and your bro
and you'll be good. No, dude, somebody and that ship
and the ship that you're in gotta plug that whole
for you and your life and your survivability.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You know, do that for.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
You, exact opinion.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Nobody.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I mean, you may find somebody, but if they do,
there's something attached to that when they do it.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Of course, because our we have to be transactional as humans,
because we can't survive without generating, you know, without work.
We have to do work. So if I'm doing work
for you, that means I'm not doing work for myself.
At that point in time, and people might say, what,
that's not true. And if you take the desert island example,
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how do you eat?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
You're going to have to work if you don't.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
If you're alone on a deserted island, you don't get
food without work.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
It doesn't disappear. There's no store there.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Nobody just brings you a chicken or brings you. You
have to do work, So that translates to reality. And
even in society, these things happen because somebody did it.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
And where do you see that ethics in leadership?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
And where do you see that as a period where
it was lacking and order, period where it was fundamental
it was there. People sorry, people felt it. People want
to and in the popular community environment, they want to
(37:03):
give Trump all f's, you know, and want to give
Obama and Biden all a's. But ethics, I'm not saying
Trump is ethically ethically period.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I'm not saying that right. But I look at a
tree and I look at its fruit. That's how I
make judgment. Every tree is gonna have some rotten and
fruit far from it.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
But when everything on that tree, the majority off that
tree is rotten, I gotta say, a that tree got
a problem. Where do you see ethics in leadership? Maybe
not politically at that level, but just culturally.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Where do I see them? Where do I see where
they went wrong? Or where do I see they're going
or both? Okay, I mean so one of the ideas
that I think that there's people who rest on the
idea of tradition too much in a sense, and I
get that, But to clearly lay out and articulate the
(38:12):
philosophical premises at the root of what you would call
Americanism or what I call individualism or capitalism, that is helpful.
So people cannot just be blindly making choices and relating
those choices to oh, this is how we've always done it,
or this is the spirit of America.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I think we beyond that point. That's what I mean
about two point zero.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
We can actually identify the ideas that, oh, this is
the philosophical ideas that we align with and that we
should ground ourselves in going forward.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
It's kind of a point of this is kind of a.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Crossroads in my opinion, because the way that I view
it is that, okay, we're coming from that statesmen, people
who present themselves a certain type of way, even from
the Bush Obama Biden view. Two some harkening back to
a traditional view of America is more of America in
(39:13):
name in the sense when I think about Trump and
I and I don't I don't really think that that's
a bad thing when I'm looking at it comparatively, but
I'm thinking that, oh, this is this is a stop gap.
This is a this could either go fully bad or
we need some leaders to bring in some good ideas
so we can take this and take it in a
(39:35):
good direction.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
So that's how I say that.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I mean as listen to our listens to Steve Steve Dates,
a lot went back.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And it says Trump Trump, it's a stop gap. Uh maga.
What what?
Speaker 5 (39:56):
What I appreciate about the Democrats and liberalism is that
it's a belief. It's it's it's a belief and a
lot of it is illogical, but they believe that and
and that's their energy. It's a religion. If if you
(40:19):
want to say we don't trust, well, we don't have
a religion in that sense because we still believe in
Christianity Christ and that's our religion.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You say, Conservative.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Republicans, this is not a fanaticism to us, This is
not a religion.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
To us, we we more believed.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
In right and wrong morally. But when you look at
Trump and so called MAGA, that's just him.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's it's not it's not a movement per se, like.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
His agenda, it's his agenda after he's gone, Like, nobody
is gonna have that same energy, not gonna have that way,
not gonna have that same belief.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But Democrat party they don't care what faces there.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
That's why they didn't care that Obama wasn't all there
cognitive they didn't care. It was their religion that they
were pushing. You know that that that that there, What
they're trying to achieve is what they're pushing, not necessarily
the figurehead. What's your opinion with that? I mean, because
(41:43):
we don't have energy like a goal like the other
side does, and and and the the ethic.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Side of that maybe what's driving it either way? To mean,
what's your point? I think?
Speaker 6 (42:00):
So for me, I don't really see myself in the
right left. I mean, I know I declared political parties,
but I'm not I'm not really a Democrat or Republican,
right or left, blue or red type of person. Like,
I wouldn't even call myself a centrist or libertarian really,
But what I would say is, I think that there's
belief on both ends, right, I think, But I think
(42:24):
all people have to operate on some belief. So that's
another theme in the book. In life, you have to
have some kind of north star. There's some idea that
you're pursuing, some right, some idea of right and wrong,
good and bad.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Well, I guess that's that's what I'm saying that they
they left seem to have a north star. They got
something that's driving to the right. Not so much.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
I mean I would think that they I thought that
they do because I think that.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
They align themselves a lot with Christianity in the sorce
they do.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
They do right, but you don't see that drive.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
If it was a drive on this side, there'd be
no speak on what's a woman, what's a man?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
That would lost a long time.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
True.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
I mean, I get that part, but I think that's
a that's not a virtue to me, Like to have
a hard core if you was align yourself with Christianity
and you say, Okay, these are the principles that I
operate on, but I'm not really that invested to to
the point that I would impose them Like to me,
(43:36):
that's not a virtue, no, no, no, not a prose.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
But just just say that there is no such thing
as one gender and the two gender.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Rules where where.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
God says I'm gonna create Adam, I'm gonna create Eve,
and I'm not gonna create you know, ste anything else
you know in between you that, but the other sides
say that there's no and sis different genders.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You know.
Speaker 6 (44:04):
I mean, I understand what you're saying, I get it,
and I know what I'm saying is that I approach
this from a more conceptual I guess this is things
that I talk about in the book. I look at
it from a conceptual perspective. Like if you introduce the
idea to me that hey, there's this other uh whatever
(44:26):
what you call it, gender or whatever that has this
these specific circumstances that I can identify intelligibly, then I'm like,
all right, whatever. But if you just say, well, no
things fits, no things fit in boxes, so let's not
have boxes, then I'm just like, I don't I'm not
(44:47):
interested in that, you know, because it doesn't it doesn't
help us as humans, like ideas help us to navigate
the world, and we're using ideas and concepts to simplify
and some people want over complicate when it's really no
need to over complicate except for the fact that you're
just not understanding how ideas work. That's one of the
(45:08):
points that I'm trying to make it in the book.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
But they got a gender where they don't want to
really you know.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah, they don't want to be played right, they don't
want to declare it. But let's be honest though, with
Oura there there's a lot of nuance with a lot
of with life period, we do put things in black
and white, black and white boxes. It's not to say
that there is no variation. It's just to say that
(45:37):
we can only think and do logic in black and white.
This these are the things that we These are the
ideas that we hold to move forward. It doesn't negate
the fact that life is a variation of things.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
We just don't.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
We just it just doesn't help us to say, oh,
it's sixty nine different genders and I got to identify.
I don't how am I going to use this, but
they want me to. They want me to affirm that, Yeah,
that's true, but they need you to affirm it the way.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
That's another thing.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Well see, that's here's way I would say, will you
take that judgment percent perspective and just say no, I
don't even I don't have to affirm or anything. And
I don't care about being your bad guy because you don't.
And the thing is, you don't really put and I'm
not saying you know what, I'm saying that they don't
really present you with negative consequences. And this is one
of the things I pushed in the book as well,
(46:37):
like we get too involved in conversations that really don't
they don't provide anything positive for us. So for me
being the owner of my own judgment in my time
and my energy, if somebody has something that they say
that I think is ridiculous, it's on me to turn
the TV off. It's on me to ignore it. It's
on me to let that thing die because if it's
(46:59):
a bad that I did, that person can't use that
idea to live a life. So if I don't give
it life, it's going to die on the vine.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
This is how it's going.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Well, that's that's that's good to a point. But when
you're in a community and a lot of people don't
have your same conviction and they're the mindset, I just
I just want peace.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I just want peace. If if if, if.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
There's five people over there and they're saying there's a
nice genders, and they'll create so much, so much drama.
I just I just want to go to sleep y'all.
I mean, I just want to go back and watch
my n B A. And I mean, it don't matter
if you believe what you want, I don't matter. But
then as that grows, that energy grows, and there's no
(47:46):
subsequent pushback in in in what traditions or absolutes, then
they're gonna eventually gonna overtake us.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
And now it's on to primple.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
It's gonna filter into your home because it's just the inertia,
the energy, because now that's that's popular notion. Now it's
it's it's over. It's overflooded the walls, even your community.
Now it's coming into your schools, it's coming into your churches,
it's coming on to your TV.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
You know, because yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
The people, the good people, didn't say no in the
crib when it's I mean started.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
And and I agree with you to an extent, right.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
And so another thing about my book is it talks
about this is specifically about leadership. Like I don't try to,
you know, demonize a regular laymen person for doing what
they do because life is hard, you know, and people
got kids, they got jobs, they got and they don't
have time to always do the research and understanding and
(48:52):
all of that. So for me, when I'm being critical
in my book, I'm being critical of leaders because leaders
really drive how those people that you just mentioned, they
really drive a lot of the way that they think.
And so to me that what you just said is
that means that there's a lack of leadership.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
That's what that means to.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Me, right, because somebody gotta say no, anybody looking at
everybody looking around.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Who's gonna be that person to say no? Yeah, better
than look in the mirror?
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
And to me, so for me, that's one of my
things is I like to take I'm taking on the responsibility.
I can't I can't be you know, worried about how
other people approach it. I'm just saying, hey, this is
what I'm saying. You can get behind me. And I've
come in contact with friends who are like, man, you're
saying some stuff, and I agree with you, but I
(49:47):
don't want to go.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Out there and see it. But if you do it,
then I support.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
No, no, no no. You tell me, man that idea
makes money, then you come get me money what you know.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
But it may be a money thinking, but it may.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Not analogy, a stance, a position, you know, whatever it
may be. People want to wait, you know, especially when
it's challenging. They're gonna put you out there in front
to see how how many sorts you take. You know,
if if you survive it, then okay. But now by
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my side, taking your swords too, because if I succeed
on a moral cause, that's gonna help all of us.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
True, true, But I think that that's just the leader's
life experience, all leaders just and I don't even think
you should concern yourself with that other stuff. And I'm
not I agree with you. I understand what you're saying,
but you can't be concerned with the others.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
Just lead. They want to see you, and they either
going to follow or they're not.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
You know, No, I say as far as the other
person coming to you in some kind of remark, but
not really wanting to stay by your side.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Oh yeah, you know that person. You got to be you.
And I'm always saying, if I believe in.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
Something, and I believe in the pastorate, that's the ground
that I'm willing to die on for my principle of
nothing else. Exactly, I think what you're saying for ethics,
people don't have principle no more.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
That's exactly what I'm saying. They don't even know what
it is to have to operate on principle. Everything is
what has happened most recently. You know what happened today
for money?
Speaker 3 (51:32):
For money?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, true, true, money, that's true.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
But money is to me more of what happened today
type of thing too, because when I'm saying what happened today,
I mean without reference or understanding of history. How does
what happened today fit in with what we know already?
Because you basically you derive principles from history and what
we've come to understand. But if you operate on you know,
(52:01):
all I know is this today just operating.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
With no principles. You you don't.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
Really that's not what I would call a self. That's
not what I would call And then you can't be
an individual like that.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
I agree, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Okay, So after you close, what do you want people
to know about you? How to stay in contact with you,
how to reach out to you? How again, how to
how to stay in contact with you?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
What you visit?
Speaker 6 (52:31):
My website is Damian t dubos dot com. My information
background and book is there, uh, and some of the
other content that I do America's ethical archetype, establishing the Wow,
establishing the psychology of moral authority, and correcting our countries
(52:51):
broken politics.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Okay, on your kind of Twitter Facebook and social.
Speaker 6 (52:56):
Media Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, I'm all there, Dainian to the boats.
Everyone you go to I guess TikTok all of them.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
X excellent, excellent. Yeah, man, I mean it's.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
Been definitely pleasure, man, and and definitely much much respect
for what you're doing.
Speaker 8 (53:17):
Your your your your journey is just beginning, uh, as
far as I'm being enlightenment and and going. Because when
someone is driven by principal.
Speaker 5 (53:32):
And morals, they gotta be willing to walk that path alone.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Uh say, that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
But you gotta be willing willing to do that. If
you're not willing to do that, then this this ain't
the path for you, but you're you're that path and
and and you're walking a strong so definitely keeping the
good work and they gonna do it for you. Definitely
reach out to me and and and if you've got
enough book dropping, reach out to me as well.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
And and I'll put you on.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
I appreciate sciate you that we do appreciate this time.
Thank you, good day, all right, have a good.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
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