Unveiling the Truth - Dr. Brian E. Arnold on Black America and History with Tony El

Project Third-Eye Opened presents a compelling conversation between Tony El and Dr. Brian E. Arnold. From his life journey to the state of Negro-America during Black History Month, they explore America’s past, present, and future with thought-provoking insight. Tune in for an eye-opening discussion on race, history, and cultural identity.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our foundering fathers here in this country, brought about the
only true revolution that has ever taken place in man's history.
Evolve the idea that you and I have within ourselves,
the god given right and the ability to determine our
own destiny.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
The United States of America the greatest nation in history,
ordained by our founders to be guided by divine providence,
but today we are witnessing the orchestrated disintegration of America.
Take a few seconds and take a look around your town,
your state, look at your country and your world, and

(00:39):
boldly ask what in the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream.
The only way they can inherit the freedom we have
known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it,
and then hand it to them with the well taught
lessons of how they in their lifetime. Let's do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome to the podcast Project Third Eye Opened, where we
dare to question with boldness the events that are unfolding
around us that others won't. At the end of the day,
it is we the people who will decide the destiny
of the Nation. Now introducing your host, Tony el.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Gritty is Gritty?

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Is Gritty? Is there one?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
This is Tony Hell and this is another of very
best show interview podcasts. And again this is quote unquote
Black History Month. And now y'all, well remember this gentleman,
I was if y'all on YouTube or if you're checking
out my Twitter follows, this is doctor Bryan E.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Arnold.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
He is an inspirational speaker, entrepreneur, author, coach, and surprisingly
maybe formally a world class athlete. So definitely he is
in a very cold part of America, Colorado. So let's

(02:12):
let's give me a very warm appreciation for taking time
out to have a conversation with me and sharing his
points of view and ideas with the world.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Hey, don Brian, wonderful, thank you for having me today.
This is exciting. You know, we got to know each
other a little bit and talk a little bit and so,
uh just excited.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
I was fortunate enough to be the host where I
got to ask the questions.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
And get a good job too.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Sometimes it gets scared me on this and like.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
One thing, you and I got a comment. We don't
mind free free flowing. You know a lot of people
they would have a script, and to me, that's just
kind of seems artificial. You know, it's good to have notes,
but then again, this, this is the the environment of
free flowing ideas and then also free flowing off answers.

(03:07):
You know something you you know, you were brought to
your attention. You may never had that brought to your
attention and maybe an answered that you never thought about giving.
So that's that's one of the benefits of having this
type of free flowing format. But tell the world, tell
the folks about you, doctor, How did you get into
the whole field, your beginning, your humble beginnings, and how'd

(03:32):
you get here? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
What a what a phenomenal I guess question, and you know,
thinking about you know, my life and my story and uh,
you know I was born here in Denver, Colorado, which
is uh, my mom was born in you know, California.
My dad was born in Kansas City, and uh, you know,
my dad met my mom, uh while he was in
the military, the Naval Air based in middle central California.

(03:56):
Big my grandpa had a farm and they were she
she was driving a hate truck or something and he
saw her and turned around and got her.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
So they ended up coming to Colorado.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
So I was military at the beginning, and my dad
went into like the what do you call the National
Guard or something like that, and so that allowed me
to just stay and grow up.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
In Denver, and then I went to California.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
I went to California on a track scholarship and was
able to run and did some wonderful things. I had
zero This is a little kind of clue. I had
zero desire whatsoever to go to college. My mom bagued
me to good college. I wanted to be a stuntman.
I was a gymnast when I was smaller and shorter,
and I said, I'm gonna be a gymnast, and then

(04:37):
all of a sudden I started. I grew from my
freshman year, I think I was five to four. By
my senior year, I was six to one, So, you know,
so I grew a whole bunch of inches pretty quick,
and gymnastics wasn't happening no more. I was swinging high
bar and I hit the ground with my feet. They
didn't have to move the bar up. And I was
getting weaker because.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
My legs was getting heavier, and so I said, let
me just go be a stuntman. That's all I wanted.
I was a special ad, which is interesting.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
You talked about being Black History Month and thinking about
all the all the things. The high school that I
went to is the largest in the state of Colorado,
very prestigious high school, thirty five hundred students.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
However, it was a very white high school. Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
You know, my dad in Colorado, Colorado, Colorado.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
But there there are some black folks in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
And there's a right, right, right, but yeah, Colorado. But
when you say is is a lot of white people,
I'm like, duh, I mean just that like Georgia.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, exactly, It's definitely not. Definitely not like Georgia.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
If you've seen some of those movies, you can see
where the clan was very active here.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Uh, in Colorado Springs and in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I can't remember the movie where he was like a
FBI agent or something and it was all based in
Colorado and Colorado Springs. Real we'll be here in a second.
But anyway, So what was kind of really unique about
you know, going to this high school. Like I said,
my dad part of an infurnitive action program. Uh, and
so he moved us out to the suburbs, you know,

(06:04):
so that we can have a better life.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
And he was really you know, church the school. I
had no clue that.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I was black, probably till third grade, when you know,
kids started calling me names. And you know, there was
three of us that were in the school, and they
called all three of us the names every chance.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
And then I'm like, well, mom, what's what you know then?
Or what does that mean? You know?

Speaker 5 (06:24):
And she said, oh, that we're gonna tell you. We
were trying to avoid that for as long as we could.
But then so we get to high school and thirty
five hundred students and there's thirty five of us, uh
that are that are in the whole entire school. And
so I just happened to be a pretty good athlete.
So you know, they want you on their teams, right,
they want you to.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Play football.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Where I see, like my sister.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
And some of the other you know, black kids that
were there, they got they got a little bit tougher
than than myself and a few others did. But they
put most of us in special AD class. It's like
seventy five percent of us, we're all on Special AD,
which didn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Why are we not mainstream. Why are we now this
is back in the in the like late late seventies,
early eighties, Why are we not getting you know.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
The same education as all the other kids that are
in this with mostly blacks or what was going on?

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Well, here's why, I say, the special ed classes had
everybody in it.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Okay, but most of the blacks that were at that school,
we're in the special AD classes.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Out of the thirty five of us, like twenty two
of us were in special A classes.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Okay, something's going on, right.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Something's going on that doesn't make sense? Can when you
think of a percentage of all that there are in
special AGG classes and then you know we're not there.
Fifty percent of students in America aren't special AD here.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know why? Something we did to check something. Something's
going on.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
And so I had, you know, and I do have dyslexia,
and so you know, part of it was probably warranted
that I was in those classes. But if it was today,
I would I know, I'd be more mainstreamed than I
was then. And so I had zero desire to go
to college. My mom begged me, she said, if you

(08:21):
will just go to college because education.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Is important right there for her families in our community.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
And I'm like, well, she thinks I'm gonna go throw
my life away in Hollywood, you know, I make movies
and stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
And she goes, if you just go to school, I
will buy you a jeep when you graduate. And that
was enough for me to go to college.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Is oh, this is your mom having a conversation, not
your dad. That was my mom.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
But I don't know if my dad.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
I don't even remember having a conversation with my dad
about college. I think he was okay me doing whatever
whatever I wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
He was like, you don't be a baba's son, go
be a good MoMA.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah he wasn't. I don't remember ever having a conversation
about college. Now. He was happy. He took me.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
He drove me from Colorado to the dorm and dropped
me off. But I don't think he ever I mean,
he loved me doing track. He wanted to see me
doing more track. He was at all my track meets,
and back then they had those video cameras where he
was out there filming every every and all that kind
of stuff. So he loved the In fact, he started

(09:24):
track when I did and he's six years old right
now and he's still running track meets.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
So the disappoint point of frontation. Your mother was white.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
So my mom is half black, and my grandma, my
mom's mom, grew up on a reservation in Oklahoma, the
Chocktail Reservation.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
So my mom's half Native American, half black.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, you got check yet, huh oh, Well from all.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Time about from there, no, because the the and I
don't know how much you know about how Native Americans work.
If you were on the Trail tears, if your tribe
was on the trailer of tears, you're considered Native American.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
And this is a really good story.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
But if your tribe wasn't on the trailer of tears,
you weren't considered Native American until later on.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well, my mom, my mom's mom's brother.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Killed a white man in Oklahoma back in the early thirties, and.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
So they had to get out of town.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
He did whatever I think he was messing with my
grandma or something killed him dead, fled to This is
a story.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I mean, obviously, you know there's the you know that
that what we were told.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Fled to California, That's where my mom met my grandma
or my grandpa met my grandma in California.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Then then then they had my mom has eleven.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Brothers and sisters, and eleven brothers and sisters because they
had fled and they were hiding. My mom's birth certificate
says that she's Ethiopian, and it says Ethiopien because that
was the only country in Africa that my grandparents had
ever heard of, and so they made all their kids.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
So my grandma's name is Golden Mesa.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Her brother's name is Nebraska, so in the Golden Mason,
Nebraska from Ethiopia.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, so you know, you Goldie, My grandma does have
a carbon Yeah. So I didn't get to I didn't
get to go to college using the tribe stuff. But
you know, later on we were able to.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
You know, grandma told us all the stories and all
the things. She left when she was thirteen the reservation,
so at a very young age.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
But yeah, if you look at.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
My grandma, there's no Ethiopian features Native American. And then
my grandfather had some mixtures and on my dad's side,
my my grandpa is white. He was part of a
conglom thee Arnold, you know, conglomerate of soap makers that
were in Kansas City at the time. Okay, my grandma

(11:59):
was a Jackson that we can trace back to the
plantation in Kentucky and my grandmother. That was a whole
nother story because my grandfather married a black woman in
the nineteen thirties and.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
You know that that was not looked upon an old man.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, his family disowned him.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
They parked cars at the Kansas City Royals, you know,
right across the street from where that stadium was u
And my granddad grew very poor because his dad was
disowned and you know, Anne had married a black woman back.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
In the time and that was not a good thing
to do.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
So there's American black and yeah, yeah, yeah, part of it.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
But you know it's a great you got to drop in.
You write that that's what everybody.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Else tells you, right, right right. I think the whole
point off the the rather you quote unquote Native American
as I kind of alluded to, and I'll come, I say, Sam,
it's one of those things that are not really clearly understood.
And it's interesting. I don't know how much of a
conversation you had about, particularly from your mother's side, how

(13:13):
how that came about because I read I don't know,
for the nineteen thirties or some point where the true
apparition to you, I aboreition of people had to choose
between being colored or white, like they couldn't choose Indian.

(13:40):
They had to choose one another in order to get
the privileges. So that's why a real successful argument can
be made that a lot of blacks were pushed out
of being considered Indian.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
So a lot of people who we sell Indian now
are not really the Aboriginal people.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, the original Native Americans that were here, yet a
lot of them are.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
They had to choose and then you know, and then
obviously there was you know, marriages that happened between Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
We always always how how we depict the Native American
mm hmm and Pocahontas all the others of anty depictions. Okay,
it's not like it looks like me, you know, with
is an issue in regards when when you look at
the black community, and as I mentioned before, as on

(14:43):
my pet peas, there is a considered effort to push
us out of this land, to push us over to
Africa anywhere else but here, you know. But like I said,
I don't know how much of a conversation you had
with your with your parents talk about your grandparents, grandparents,

(15:05):
you know, pictures even that you may have to see
their milaner or lack their I don't know, but it's
one of us. Did you'll have conversations about that?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Do you have that? What?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:20):
And and there's a big you know, depending on what
you know.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
The United States is so big, and you know, and
you think of like the East coast and the you know,
like what the Native Americans looked like and how they
integrated in the north compared to the south, and then
you start moving west and then it's like, you know,
almost a different tribe of people. And then you know,

(15:45):
like Mexicans, uh, you know, the Mayan, Indians and the
Spanish got together and that's that's what the Mexicans came
ones that came from the tribe and from South America
and so uh but then you know the original so
my Grandma's been very fair and the tribe is a
pretty fair you know, the Chocktail tribe is a pretty fair.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Group of Native Americans, you know, fair skin.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Whereas you get like to the Seminoles and you get
down to the you know, the tribes that were in
like South Florida and stuff, those those are a lot
darker skin, probably because a lot of the integration and
just what you were saying that happened, especially when you
start bringing people over from the Caribbean and you know
what that what that looked like and in the north,

(16:28):
you know, So it just depends on what it's so
interesting to see. And then what obviously, our our white
brothers and sisters decided to do one hundred, two hundred,
three hundred years ago with everybody, you know, when they
when this word that keeps coming up, that that just
drives me crazy is colonization. What the heck is Colonization

(16:49):
is conquerorsation. We're gonna come over, We're going to conquer
and this is going to be our land from now on. Yeah, weize,
you know, we we celebrate this Thanksgiving thing where we
they were so nice.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
They weren't trying to be nice.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
They were to get later there trying to get it,
you know, all this beautiful feast and Thanksgiving because we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's depictions of white America, you know.
And I love Thanksgiving because I love the tradition that
that's behind that fact. But again I don't celebrate Christmas
well because I know one that's that's birthday. But I
like the gathering of your friends and it's changing the

(17:34):
gift that you can do that. Won't do that, do
not do that. But it's just the warm feeling behind that.
But it would be better if people asked to educated
about the true meaning and purpose of that day. But
I get if you're not, that's fine, but I do
so that's that's where I come from. But the whole
thing about the Indian thing, I definitely do agree.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, and what Thanksgiving is today is a beautiful holiday
where we're sinkingful for what we've been given and it's
a time for family and what is evolved to is amazing.
But I was in Lincoln, Yeah, when I was you know,
we we had to dress up as you know, when
when in nineteen seventy two or whatever, when I was

(18:15):
in you know, second grade, I can remember I had
to dress up as a as.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
An Indian right and.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Stuff and do the philms that you know, we're so
generous and so nice wow to the Indians, and we
had to.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Pretend about that one.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Now I you know, then you don't know, right you
just say this is what you're indoctrinated in.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
There's no way telling you there's anything the parents, your
parents didn't parents.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
I guess we're okay with you know.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
I don't think they even knew right now, my mom,
we went to Alabama last week or the week before.
So this is a really good timing. And so, uh,
there's a gentleman named doctor Carl Mack. You need to
have him on your podcast. Doctor Mac is probably one
of the foremost historians in what happened in civil rights

(19:04):
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
And he created I.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Think have a book right here. I'm gonna jump out
and get it. It's called the.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's called the Mac Mac m A c K.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
So it's called the Black Heritage Day. And he has
these calendars that are, it says, the most comprehensive Black
history calendar ever assembled. And so he has four of these,
and so if you go through these, it's it's a ongoing.
So he'll say, like September fourteenth, you know, and this

(19:36):
is a person Ken Griffith Senior and Kim Griffith Junior,
and he talks about, you know, the baseball people. And
basically he found something on every single day for Black
History of the year, Like this person, Patrick Kelly, had
to do something on September twenty fourth in history. So
he imry over a thousand people. Has another one that

(19:58):
has a wall women three hundred and sixty five women
in Black history that are just phenomenal, you know, from
the Paris that he put it.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
He put this book together.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
He's got a section on how Black History was formed,
Black History Month was formed. We you know, we say
sometimes jokingly that you know, they gave us the shortest
month of the year and the poldest month of the year,
but that's not true. There's a whole other reason that
it's there. So anyways, why I was saying that is

(20:29):
I gave my mom both of these calendars, this one
and the one with the you know, with all the
women in it.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
And she's saying, I didn't know any of this. My
parents didn't know, so we didn't talk about it.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
So I don't know if they even know that all
the stuff we know now, I mean in the forties
or where, you know, that wasn't part of the history
that they were saying that.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
You know, why the Christopher Klembus.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Was lost and all the slaves and everything that he had,
and you know, they were just going by whatever American history.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
That we were we were taught.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Uh yeah, and so uh so no, I think when
I was in the second third grade, I remember all
those and now I'm mad about.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
It that they did that.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
But then I go back and go, well, you know,
the history that we've been taught is from the perspective
and from the viewpoint of folks conquered, not colonized, say,
conquered everybody in America, brought over people and and built
the built the country cordat.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
But I guess, I mean, I'm always torn because no
country is perfect and most and most most countries have
had a period of the batui and conquering, being conquered,
had slaves being slaves. So I can't fault people doing

(21:56):
what they did back then because where we are now
as a country again not perfect. But again when you
look at other countries, I choose just a hands down
with all of its wards, I still choose this.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
One, Oh God, the greatest country on earth. Yeah, and
our ancestors buildings.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah yeah, I mean, you can't go back, and we
right thinking if you go back, like Star trek, you
go back and you change one thing that changed the
feature of your present. So you know, uh, we're gonna
do I mean that I mean, but it's I think
it's important for us to have real knowledge or real history.

(22:40):
That's my whole point and my podcast and everything that
I do, particularly regards to black people, we have no
idea who we are. You have a similus of who
you are. We have no idea who we are. And
that's the criminal aspect of our existence here in our
culture because it's been purposely done. There's no way it

(23:04):
could be in this by accident. And I think the
reason why it's been been done because the millennium people
are the majority people of the of the planet. So
when you look at the power structure, not just here
but worldwide, it's European dominant. How can that be, you know,

(23:30):
other than psychological and they control all of the means
of communication, interpretation, and that they view the world is
how we view the world. But when it comes to
American blacks, it's a whole special thing. I mean, they
they may put one barrel or all the negroes you

(23:52):
know outside the Niza, but they put them all barrels
on us. That's how special I believe we are, not
just because we're here on this continent, but but where
were we when the founders came over here? And who
were the founders? Did you look like us? Maybe? Because

(24:14):
the real history is is that when you think about
how magnificently our constitution and our former government has been
brought to into fruition, and then you look at Europe,

(24:34):
the two don't match, you know, the how can you
be that over there and they come over here and
be all knowing kind of thing? And how did they
understand the republican form of government and how they formed
the government? There's no arguments reasonable argument that the constitution

(25:02):
is now biblically based, because you could pull packages the Constitution, left,
the right, and the form of government out the Bibles whatever.
But are those the same people, the Europeians so called Europinions,
and those who were the founders who created this. I
think a lot of it came from the people who
are already here, and they gave their knowledge because they

(25:25):
were the republican form of government already here, as you
probably already know through your history. And that's what a
lot of people don't understand. You know, you just don't
wake up. We wake up out of bed and be awesome,
you know, and regard say, yeah, I'm gonna build this
government one that I've never seen before in my whole life,
you know. But I'm gonna beid this government and it's
gonna last for over almost three hundred years. Now, I

(25:49):
don't think that's logical. And then when you look at
like I was thinking about this of the night, the
Empire state, that being New York where that name comes from,
that was the empire already here. You know, things that
people don't think about, you know, like like they give us,

(26:11):
they give us our history and we accept that as
our history and it's not our history. Maybe their history,
but it's not our history. So you you having some
actual connection to our ancestors and knowledge of your ancestors.
I think it's an interesting perspective that you can probably
share that best you can. What do you know about

(26:35):
so called Indians back in the day and the whole formation,
because they were highly advanced, very very very good, right,
And that's that's not a misnomer that we were all
backwards here about we as for our aboriginals all backwards
and we were just starving to see the White Jesus

(27:00):
come ashore.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah, when we think about you know, the you know,
how it all formed in the government, and you know,
and I think when we think about Europeans and why
they've been able to dominate the world, if we go
back to technology and their ability to develop technology faster
than other you know, parts of the world. You know,

(27:28):
you know, you think about the Roman Empire and what
they were able to do with uh, you know, the
colisms and developing weapons and and they're wanting to conquer
and you know, so they kept developing technology.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Wait wait, I got, I got, I'll be missing a pause.
All right, go ahead, don't you mean the ancient Egyptians?
Absolutely for the Romans?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
The Romans?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, so let's not there.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah, no, what I'm saying. And Egypt ruled the world
for thousands.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Of okay, some people, too many people missed that part.
They started Greek and Rome. Wait wait, wait, waititute, let's
start back there.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I thank you for going back there.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Because the difference was is who wanted to conquer at
that point, right, And so when they begin to conquer,
they begin to drill more technologies and more technologies, and
then they spanned it out and you think, like the British,
you can almost go empire when you can jump further
after roam falls.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Right.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
They wanted to go into every aspect of the world. Right,
so they end up in Australia and New Zealand and Africa,
and you know, call that trying to colonize the United everywhere.
They wanted to be world dominant, but they had technology
that the rest of the world like, hey, we got
a great life. We're Native Americans, where we have a
structure of government, we have a structure of everything. We're happy. Yeah,

(28:56):
we have some wars when we fight each other, but
not on this scale. We're trying to dominate the entire world.
And then once you're able to do that, you start
developing technologies faster because you can't come you with the
current technology you have, you can't conquer the world. So
we're developing things weapons and that kind of stuff so
that we can conquer the world. And then they go

(29:18):
out and do it, and then they they dominate because
of you know, like how can several tribes that are
Native Americans, you know, go against a gatling gun or
rifles or bullets when you know they're trying with bows
and arrows and spears and stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
And also along with that, I think you probably agree
with this. They had to start with our minds. Absolutely,
they had to make themselves or something. Watch this fire
kind of thing, make them to be greater than what
they all start with the mind, defeat them there and

(29:56):
then come come in with the weaponry. But if if
you are strong, if yo community of strong minded people
and you know your reality, they got coming something else
that would change that reality to make you defeat a boat.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
And then the other thing that they found donald can.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Then working their mind, they figured out how to read
and write to communicate in long distances.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
And you know the Egyptians have a language that was
written and still you know the roong. But when you
come to the spot where like when they.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Start bringing slaves over the number one thing that said
that we can't allow them to do.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know, when you think about Frederick Douglass and.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Wanting to read, if we teach them how to read
and write, they'll get they will understand knowledge if they understand.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Now with that, with that, if you don't mind, meetly,
I love it. One is the whole notion that you're
brought over here. I hate that notion that we.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Were brought the cantle.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
No, we're already here.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, some of us were, but you know, seventeen million,
but we're taken out of Africa.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
But that's that's my point. Somebody proved that to me.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Oh no, no, that that there's there's tons of ships
and logs and ships and where they got folks and yeah,
but where are the ships?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean, that's that's that, there's writings of it. But
where where is there any proof of the means of ships?
That's a post that the post.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Doccupated, where they were, they were made, how they were made, no.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Imm Yeah, but inbody could write anything now, yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
But not not to that, not not to that complexity.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
I know there was There's no way you can tell
me that that seventeen I mean, they can show where
they reported where they were brought.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
You see that you go to the where.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
The ocean's parts are, where the castles were that they
were housed on the castles, You see bones, you see
you know all that you see in the oceans where
you can go through and they can pull up.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
They found several ships that have been sunk that are
there that they pulled up.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Where where are those ships Africa?

Speaker 4 (32:18):
We can know that another one.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Here's the thing I mean, we could we we could
look at we say history where books have been rewritten,
of course for the benefit of the writer, Okay, to
the point that a person comes behind that. After that
we'll find those written so called facts indisputable. You know,

(32:48):
like once upon a time people people thought and could
read that blacks with descendants of there's no real history
of that. That's history of those other people, but no

(33:08):
history of us. So when now you could go into
talk our history books and you see the world African American.
But that wasn't the case until nineteen eighties before as
African American what was used as as as a trips.
So I'm saying things can be rewritten.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
And fat there's still there's still trades back.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
I mean when you when you find a shift that's
on the ground and you see shackles and bones that
are in shackles.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
That you can't say that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
No, no, no, no, no, no no, no, I'm no again.
I've always said that that's been a slave trade. But
I'm saying, was it the African slave trade from Africa
that that we are currently same as Africa or was
it up because Africa was not always named Africa.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
No, it wasn't named Africa. Whatever they called the buildings
and everything were there, That doesn't matter what the name was.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
That the stuff still you know, Okay, But as far
as like uh, America wasn't called America before and even
before the Constitution, it was called North Britain, I believe.
So country names change. So what what could be written

(34:37):
as a voyage from Africa to what we consider now
the America called America, It might be called something else
back then, just as the whole Nobody can actually picture
Abraham Lincoln speaking in Arabic because in our mind, the

(34:59):
reality is that we've always spoken one language. But back
in the day we were speaking four languages, particularly Latin.
But we can't conceptualize that because all our books expressed
that we were speaking English, and we in our mind
can only see a Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson or George

(35:24):
Washington only speaking in English, not Arabic, not Latin. And
they can only picture our country being what it is
represented in the books or how we see today. So
I'm saying a lot of what we bleed to be
true isn't true in the sense of how it's presented.

(35:46):
Can we find bones in Africa, but we can also
find pyramids here on this continent, ancient pyramids, many of
the outdate the ones in Egypt. We're not having that

(36:07):
conversation of how that happened, you know, And we didn't
even talk about when the continents were joined. We don't
talk about when it's separated and if that's if if
we could agree that the kindness were once together, and
we can agree that blacks were the fuss people on

(36:28):
this on this planet, why so far faster to say
we were already here in mass before the your opinion
came over here.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
I have no doubt that we weren't hearing mass.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
But at the same time, that doesn't mean many of
us were broad well, and that's and that and that's
where because people and once we were able to start
documenting and whether whatever language it is, and you're documenting
because people know what property they had, and they know
what property that they decided they were going to have.
And then you have like the you go into like Montgomery, Alabama,

(37:06):
where they were doing slave trade, and you know, there's
the there's there's the intercoastal slave trade. And then there's
the Cotton Hill. You know why we're in here, the
slave trade. And then they decided there's a whole bunch
of us that were in the north that never you know, well,
I guess you know where they were free at some
point or not. But from the fifteen hundreds, stuff is
documented pretty well as far as property and as far

(37:30):
as what folks were trying to do.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
I believe absolutely that there was a ton of us here.
Uh you know that that.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Maybe we're subjected to slavery and some were not, but
the amount of people and then now they've decided, or
the the angl English folks decided that, hey, we're going
to decide who people are based on something we can
see on the outside, which is different than biblical slavery,
because then you were, you know, you were sold into
slavery and you were said to slave, but you you

(37:59):
couldn't want talk into a market and tell who how
to identify a slave until our phenomenon of African Americans
or whatever we're calling them back then, right right right,
blacks or Negroes or you know, as as we've gone
through history, that they decided that because of the color
of your skin.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
You now, yeah, well, I think again this conversation that
that we need to have, you know, on an open basis,
where feelings are left left at the door. So we
could ask to understand because I believe most of what
what we've been taught all been alive. Because yes, yes,

(38:40):
because when you look at the size of Europe back
then after the Black Plague, you have to consider how
are those people able to First we understand that they
were trying to get away from the plague, and they
were trying to expand and and find fertile.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
For the land.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
But how can those relatively small population of people travel
over a great ocean and come conquer a continent or
where are well fared and this is their home, so

(39:25):
they know all the crashing crevices and they feed them,
not only feed them, but to your worlds, conquer them.
Somebody got have me made sense of that?

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Now?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
And then when you look at it's a possibility that
continents had different names back then than what they do now.
So when people say that they came from Africa to America,
why couldn't that be South America to North America? Could
be so because now we have that current in the

(40:01):
oceans that even now the Navy has to know where
it's at in the oceans so they don't get pushed
through the whole another part of the ocean. So are
we to expect this whole cloth that these ships were
and with only manpower could routinely navigate those currents so

(40:28):
not to be swept off or destroyed on a regular basis.
And then you got to think about if they are
bringing all these matched humanity coming over, but only the
depictions of the ships don't show any restroom, They don't
show where they get up and exercise.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
So this.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Does that make sense? Because this supposed to be means
and means of dollars of property. Ill treated that more
than likely you're gonna lose half of it theoretically.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
And they were okay with losing half because they wanted
the strongest to survive.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
It was it was a crazy I mean, and you see,
you know, like they have.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
They found several ships off the coast of Louisiana with
the same things with the shackles, with the with how
they the bottoms of the boats were done. They found
several ships off the coast of North Carolina that didn't
make it the min of ships that didn't make it
compared to the ones that sell.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
They were building them like crazy. You keep them out.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
But I'm not saying there wasn't slaves. So I'm saying,
did they come from Africa? My point, came from South
America and that's all the Caribbean's going up, not from
Africa coming distee. I'm saying, why not from this this
this this hemisphere going up or southern hemispheld going up.
That's my point.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Yeah, so will this would be if you ever get
a chance to go down to the to the Legacy
Museum in Montgomery. The first part of it talks a
lot about the trading and they have like these video
monitors that started like fifteen hundred in the show, like
trickling ships and where they would where they would go,
Like a lot of the ships left Africa and went

(42:13):
to Brazil first, and then they showed all.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
The islands they went to first. It wasn't for one hundred.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Almost two hundred years before they started even coming to America,
so it had to be refined and like we know
this is like you said, so then all the ships
that came from like South America, all the ships that
came from, you know, the all the islands and the
Caribbean and all that that showed up here and how
they the whole trade went.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
There was some that were going.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
It seems like the boats from Portugal were the ones
that were the most prolific of we're gonna go, pick
up go, you know. So it's just kind of neat
to see where they've been able to trace. And then
there's they show, you know, like videos of where these
ships crashed and the ones that they found and how
they found them, and how they've been able to reconstruct
a lot of the ships to say okay, this was

(43:00):
you know, and then it would even show their manifests
from when you know, you're leaving the coast of Africa,
the west coast of Africa, and they would show like
how many bodies started the journey, how many they threw off,
and then how many end of the journey. And so
why it was so neat before it was banned or
whatever they said it was banned. I don't think it

(43:21):
was as banned as much as you know, they still
see it stopped a little bit, but there's trickles of money.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
It was money because even wanted the history about America.
We we forbid the importition of slaves in early eighteen
hundreds seventy, you know, and periodically up until the Democrats
took to the Congress with the Northwest, the Northwest Treaty

(43:55):
that and that pushed all that lot of slaves to
the the in the economics of slavery to push from
the East to the west. But before then, the whole
point of Congress really trying to do is a body slavery.
But it was much money in it, particularly here in
the South.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Everything, everything's economics at the end of the day. And
that's a it's not personal, it's not your color is
can can you make money for me in doing this?
And we see that even today. That's why I questioned
the whole terminology of slave, because we could easily i think,
transport toward slave with employee.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, I guess you could.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
But the difference when you when you use the word employee,
it assumes that the person has the employee has decided
to be an employee, not told there.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Oh well that's your interpretation. I mean, I mean, I
mean something. I mean, I mean like when you read
like I did this podcast involving ah, what's that February
sixteenth or what is that June sixteenth? A fabricated holiday.

(45:14):
But anyway, when you're at the the the I guess
the ah how they became informed of the freeing of
slaves soul spree or or or the emancipation the world.
Employment was actually used in telling the blackstare in Texas

(45:38):
that you you're free, but you can't go out, because
they were trying to control make sure that everybody disn't
leave the area. He said, you're free, but we don't
want you to just go out or get loose or whatever.
And they use the word employment. And that's the first

(46:02):
time I heard I saw that written in as official document.
So then I'm thinking that that made sense because like here,
it's all about money. So the way I heard and
makes sense to me that the slaves came from the north,
like from the harbors of Virginia or New York, and

(46:22):
then they were transported down here, so they had to
bend some kind of arrangement economically to say, hey, South,
we're gonna have these migrate employees or people to come
work your farms because we understand that's that's your industry.
Then all of a sudden they say, no, we want

(46:44):
to tax these people. So that's where that grand new
deal came in for how we're going to tax these people.
And the songs were saying, wait, we had an arrangement,
and now you want to end this, but give me
any kind of compensation. We gotta fight over this.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
It's gonna be amazing or that is gonna happen as
a result.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Right, So so I'm looking at that that we could
talk about this and they say, well, why couldn't this
have happened in this way as opposed to how Hollywood's
depicting this as a humanitarian thing, completely ignoring the economic component,
which is always greater than the humanitaying, no war, it's

(47:36):
fought just over the woman, fuzzy. No, it's always the
economic component that's greater. So what was the economic component?
We're not even discussing that with things. The Civil War
was always fought over.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Slavery one hundred percent of economics, the South and South
being able to sustain itself without the use of you know,
uh people, people.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Made it work.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
You know, until cotton jen and all that other stuff
was invented, that the slaves were needed. The whole economy
of the South would have was planning on grumbling and
starting to crumble as a result of not having labor
to be able to stage.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
So Ever, since then, we've had the employment.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Taxa mm hmm, you mean the federal.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So I'm saying, why why can't that be even more
more pregnent reason to go to war because now the
South is saying, you want to take my way of
life from me, But that compensation we got a problem.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
And I never, at least I've never been taught to
believe that the Civil War had anything to do. You know, Yes,
the slaves were part of it, but that wasn't It
was all about economics. It was all about Hey, you know,
there might have been some principle that you know, the
North had decided, but.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
The North was worried about their economy as well. Uh,
and so it was a word over money.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I just interested something that that we're we're kind of
in pitsionhole to have this only one way of thinking
how things came about. And I'm not to say I'm
right or wrong, but I think, hey, something don't need
to make sense. And somebody got explained this to me,
but nobody wants to explain this to me because all
they know is what they've been told, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
So.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Free thinking and the wilderness to want to noodle out things.
You know, we're thinking a little bit deeper than what's
what's being presented to you. Just as as as a
doctor yourself, you had to go a little bit deeper
than the average person in regards to how to our

(50:01):
answers to to difficult questions and situations, you know, and
not a lot of people want to do that, you know,
because it's Chinese. It's hard, you know, it requires more effort.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Well, and you're so right about how we take history
and move it out, you know, like when doctor Mack
is talking about why we need to be a patriot
and how important the fourth of July is and how
many of us that were in the North were fighting for,
you know, the freedom from Britain and we were part
of it. And he goes back to like newspaper articles

(50:34):
and things that were written in the time in seventeen seventy.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Six where they were drawn and they were drawing black
men in it.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
And then one hundred years later those people disappeared out
of the history right like they were ever.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
There to go back, and I think We just have
a better.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
Opportunity now to find stuff than we did even thirty
years ago, you know, with all the information that people
were fighting and putting those pieces together. But it takes
for us to be able to read about it. It
takes for us to be able to research it. It
takes for us to say, Okay, show me that those
bones are that you're finding in this picture are really

(51:12):
bones that we're finding this picture, and the documentation of
taking them out of this on me and not you.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah, yeah, let's have a cople of this has open
conversation about it.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Yeah, I mean we do. We have to have conversations.
We have to continue to talk about it. We have
to continue because we know where we're at.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Now, We know what the state is and how people
and we can go back probably a good one hundred
years and know what our great grandfathers were thinking and
what was passed on then. But once you start getting three,
four or five hundred years ago, it's hard to go
back because there's so much intertwined in that unless it
was written and documented and putting down somehow some way.

(51:55):
But it's always going to be from the perspective of
you know, whoever wrote it down right, right. So you know,
when we think of like even the Bible and the
thing the way that the Bible was written in, what
perspective it is? What other scrolls from Egypt do we
have that collaborate and say, Okay, yeah, Jesus did go

(52:16):
to Egypt, because the Bible says so. But because there's
Egyptian scrolls as well, then writing now that says this
man from you know, Galilee came and he was there,
and so now we have triangulated. It's so important in research.
It's not just perspective. Did several people say this happened

(52:37):
at this same.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
And one thing I'm getting ready to start beating is
Geneva Bible, which is the Bible that's so called the
pickles are brought. And that's also show a whole different
story than King James.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Well in King James is from England, right, and he
and he got people and he interpreted and then you
go back to the actual scrolls that were written.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
King James was kind of off on some of it,
kind of had an agenda, and so I think the content, you.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Know, the principles and the concepts of God had had
wanted us to learn, are there and interpreted. But yes,
it is unless you're unless you can pull out. But
they didn't find the scrolls right when King James.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Well, I don't know what King James was using to.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Right right exactly exactly, but today we accept King James
as gospel, you know. But I'm really and intrigue the
interesting to them. To start, we need to anew the
Bible because I think it says it has depictions of
us in it, you know, and it has different books

(53:47):
that are in the King James. It's pretty interesting too,
So I really intrigued to to see what did the
so called founders read to bring them forward into how
they designed this great continent and former government. That's because
it was a King James. So if it was the

(54:07):
King James, and then who's who wasn't and whether you
get the ideas from John Locke and all that. So
I'm really intrigued to see it because history is is
it's one of those things that unfortunately the fact that
all people don't read. But it's even more of an
issue when you see the the downgrading of our families

(54:31):
to the point where you got kids having kids raising kids,
and the initial kid was illiterate as far as knowledge
is concerned, now there is no passing dying of history
as as as as you were illustrating. So now we
got that whole gap getting becoming a chasm in regardless

(54:51):
to our history and our ancestors after you close out,
based on your interviews and your interaction with black men
in regards to black female and how they see it
going forward as a community as a union, what what

(55:12):
are they talking about? What are they telling you?

Speaker 5 (55:16):
And that's and like I can only go from my
perspective on a lot of this as I'm doing researching
finding out what people are saying and my and I'm
coming from as I'm asking questions and my bias questions
because my bias questions are based on that I believe
that God set it up that we need.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
To be together and family is important and family is everything.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
And so what I'm trying to find out is what
happened because when I when I look at just the
recent history of uh, you know it's from the nineteen
hundreds on, and how the black family thrived when we
were segregated, when we were separated, when we weren't when
we didn't go across the tracks and we had our

(56:00):
own schools and our kids were learning, and our parents
and the values of the community were that of we're
gonna make sure that everybody is educated, that everybody is learning,
and that we love each other and that you know,
young women find husbands and whatever that order is that
you know, that we're able to have this tight knit family.

(56:22):
And then we look at the systematic you know, destruction
of the family that happened through the sixties and the
seventies that you know, whether in the eighties where there's
mass incarceration or it's you know, welfare, you know, or
the Civil Rights Act and the attempt to integrate where
we say, okay, we're gonna take you out of your
school where you're learning and that's segregated, and we're gonna

(56:44):
put you in a white school where aver we're gonna
bust you over and.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Have a teacher that doesn't want you there charge of
educating you. You yes, yes, we're just oh, you just go.
So what a mess that was, you know, to what
we have today. And then so now I start talking
to women and so in the late nineteen.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Sixties about when we think of this statistic that kind
of drives my thought of help.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
So so you have consciention with men? What are they saying?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, so what's happening is
or what let me get to just as partner?

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Here where fifty percent of black women over the age
of forty.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
In twenty twenty three have never been married.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Seventy five percent of that fifty percent has at least
one child. So they've never been married, they have one child.
And we're looking at families. And so when I'm talking
to the men that are trying to be successful, they're saying,
I've tried all these things to raise my kid.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I have to fight fight, fight, fight because I have
you know, whether it was the.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Mother of my child whove done don't want me to
see them. It's a court system that says you have
to do this, this and this and this in order
to see you got supervised visits that are costing you
one hundred dollars a visit in order to see your
own child, moving away, all the things that have destructed
the family. Men saying at this point, you know, they said, well,
I used to believe, well, why would I.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Get married because then I have to give her half?
You know, And like already thinking about marriage is not
a covenant.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
But in marriage as it's a chore. And then the
women saying, we've been taught not to trust our men.
We've been taught to keep our own bank account separate
for our men.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
For when they leave. We've been taught that we don't need.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
We've been taught that the men aren't going to help
us through the relationship, They're going to be a burden
to us. And then you start doing this to say, well,
where's the family in this? Where where is the unit?
Because the ones that I'm interviewing that have been able
to maintain the family and our for the family and
doing the family their kids are pretty successful what we

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would consider consensual.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
The lady I interviewed yesterdays is like, I've been with
my husband for forty some years.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Our kids are doing this and this and this and
has been phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
You know, I did Nick Turner I interviewed, and you know,
he decided that they were going to make sure that
his kid was ready for Harvard when he was born,
and all the things they did.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Going to brown On one of the ivy leagues and
is now you know, a CEO of a company. So
I mean, but they plan that out as a family
and work together and went through and then you see
the ones that didn't, and then you know the man
and goes you know, I did everything I could or
I ended up in prison for amount of time, and
you know all the things that stopped me from raising
my kids, and then seeing the attitudes of their kids

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and what their kids believe.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Family is in the family unit, and it's you know.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Ultimately the ones as I'm finding of the one hundred
and twenty five that I now, the one thing that
is constant is if family is intact, the family does
better and the people individually are better for it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Even if it's not an economics doesn't it didn't play
in it. You can still be poor, have a family,
and still have a successful you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, yeah, both have it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
And so it's not the economics.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
It's the destruction of the belief that we shouldn't be
together and the pulling apart of something that to me
is everything.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
You know, as I have my family and I think
of what we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Do and where my identity comes from that as as
you asked me, where do you see the answer?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
I said, the answer is working as hard as we
can to bring back the family in every instance and
why the family is important. And it's a tough part
because we got to combat a society that is doing
everything thing to destruct the family and say that it's
not worth But if we can continue to have family
after family after family that is a tight unit. And

(01:01:09):
I'm not going to say every family is going to
work out and every family, but if the attempt and
the belief is that family is a vital part of
the success of us as humans, uh, and we do that,
I think that's where we have to start.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
There. We have to you know, I think of like, even.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Back in the day when I was in college, there
was this place called Focus on the Family that was
you know, definitely for white folks that didn't do that,
But the concepts and the things that they talked about
are all family unit type stuff that I'm trying to
say to say, oh, wait, wait a minute. You know,
as I go down to Alabama and I look at
you know, the project housing and the things that are there,

(01:01:46):
and just the extreme poverty and belief system of what
I can do, Because if you don't have a dad
and a mom telling you you're great, you just have
mom telling you you're great, Well, how does a mom
know how to raise a man?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Well, that's that's where games of floods are now and
and the tragedy behind that. As you not spoke before
the popularization of thugury and games on the celebration of
just last Sunday with the Super Bowl, you know, the

(01:02:21):
halftime show was by gang member former gang member. The
dance that the Great Sharena Williams was doing was equipped
dance a game pop popularization. And then we could go
back to one of the famous halftime shows with with
the Dre and Snoop and and Eminem and Gang members.

(01:02:46):
So the popularization of thuggery in the absence of church,
like back in the day with the with the Franklin
and all those that came through that genre. You know,
we ain't a word of her because we see the

(01:03:08):
product of the Franklin generation, the Church generation, what sees
those brought up through the ground, and then we see
the absence of the church and the prevalence of thuggery
and gain love. And it's interesting back when before Gang

(01:03:31):
Rap came out with Doctor Doway and all them, you
could not talk about killing cops.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
On the radios.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
You couldn't, But now it's perfectly okay by killing blacks.
I find it interesting, you know, but nobody's saying, what's
the difference. Why is the cops celebrated? And I'm not
saying that it shouldn't have been. I mean, I think
the set up of killing any person just because of

(01:04:02):
what they win, what they look like, is totally wrong.
But if it's wrong in this set, why is it
okay in this set if it's not a purpose behind it?
And we don't even talk about that because it's all
about the money now. So I think that it all
is included when about the family, because back then, when
the truth was involved, we didn't have this nonsense that
we have now in our community. We have a better community,

(01:04:27):
We have more affluent community rather in a lot of cases,
are richer community. I think, you know, even though there's
more money theoretically running through our community, but as far
as the circulation of that one dollar in the community
was much much, not even a conversation compared to what
it is today, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
So yes, and Mom can't give.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Us that identity that we need without that, and Dad
can't give us that identity with with out mom and
our identity with God with help because because a right
religion is taken over, it has become you know, entertainment
and whatever it is people to show up. But put
God in the center of a family, then you can

(01:05:17):
have values everywhere world. And if this is how you
live a way that serves other people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
And it's not a white thing, it's not a black thing.
And so you hear so humanity thing because it's how
God created us. God created us as woman being the
helper of the man, to raise society, to raise a community,
to raise a world. You know, that's that's how we
are created. Separate us, separate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Us out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
We got problems. We got problems. So as you want
out how what do you want people to know about you?
How do people get a hold of you and listen
to you and follow you?

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
So well, thank you for having me on today.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
This is I love having these conversations and be able
to talk the way that we did today, because if
we don't have these conversations, then we're just left to
whatever just bombards us without having a basis for our thought.
And there's too much out there with AI and everything
else that can steal this without having foundations so thank
uh brought doctor Brian Yarold. Brianyarnold dot com is my website.

(01:06:25):
Everything that I do is comes out of that website.
And so whether they're my podcast, whether my daily messages,
whether my messages on family or messages on some of
the things that we're talking about, you know, some of
the things we're going to talk about with Black History
Month and how I was found, that's all found on
Brian Yarold dot com. I would love to talk to you,
love to have conversations with you, uh and you know,

(01:06:47):
and with you Tony, thank you for letting me on
and we can continue to have more conversations because I
think we're just scratching the surface right now. We're just
thinking of these important conversations. You know, when I think
about the Bible in my faith, and the Bible is
a book about a kingdom, it has religion in it,
but it's not a religious book. It's a book that

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gives us guidance on how we should live our lives.
And we don't follow that sometimes. And when we don't
follow it, and it's fortnant family is we just get
ourselves in more trouble and more trouble and then we
start idolizing who when I think of that halftime show,
right and what I saw and what I didn't understand
and what I couldn't possibly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Because talking to us, they won't talk to us. They
talked about the one behind us. You know, I just
carry a thing. The message was not to us, is
to the people, the younger generation behind us, who are
who are tuned to that that frequency, that low frequency.
They are tuned to that frequency. That's who was a

(01:07:53):
target in my opinion, because I didn't get it. I
didn't enjoy it. But evidently it's one of the most
highest watch so rated high time shows ever. So I'm like,
so somebody got it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Somebody got it, but I just and maybe I just
missed it because I think God created to love each
other and to be in relationship and serve each other.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
And I don't know in that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
I didn't hear in there where we're supposed to love
one another. I didn't hear in that where we're to
serve each other.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I didn't hear in that where we're supposed to come
together as families. I didn't hear how we're supposed to go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
It's up there, it's up there. I missed it too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
And if it's on their frequency and they're saying those
things right, yo, then great.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
But it sounded like it was just more hate. To me.
It just sounded like we had a halftime show. Whatever
the lyrics are, or the poetry is, or the.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
Beat is, if we are if we areselves as black men,
black women, black families are talking about hate and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
On ourselves on a stray thing, on ourselves. Now, no
one's supposed to be oppressing us. Not not to say
that that will be okay, but I'm saying it does
seem backwards that the gun is not pointing at the
people supposed to oppressed us for sohar three hundred plus years,
it's at our selves. That's like, cool, will, how'd that work?

(01:09:27):
And that's that's why these conversations need to be more
prevalent amongst young men. Wing this said, got agreed, But
hopefully we hear something that like I knew hood that before.
Let me go check that out. You know, that's all
I missed that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
Please, somebody help me understand it because I don't want
to me too, my lack of you know, this is
just what I felt.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
And if I'm totally wrong. Please educate me because.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I don't be ignorant. I don't be ignorant. Appreciate doctor,
and I love it be on your show any time,
and you're always welcome to come this way as well,
because I think the more people that we get to
hear this information to get get a reason to go

(01:10:12):
look up something, the better off we all as a whole.
It doesn't matter if you're white, black, or whatever, because
we got a lot more coming than we do not
in common in general. Definitely appreciate Doctor kay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
H.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
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