Episode 46: 2025 AL East B-Side Selections

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ninety five miles an hour riding too his head.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He hopped down.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
First with the lump bonius face, and on the very
next pitch he up and stole second phase.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
With gretest speed.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
He wasn't born, he had yes uniform.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right, welcome to episode Neil Kotts of the Prospect
b Side Podcast. That's episode forty six. You all right
with Neil Katz there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Are we just gonna get more and more esoteric with it?
We need to just get deeper and deeper into the archives.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, we can't go we can't go like pretty boy
with it right. We can't go bat or maddingly or
with good point good point plus. You know what Neil
Kotts has on those cats is that he was a
member of the greatest team of our lifetimes and those
other fellows were not what two thousand have White Sox, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
The greatest team of our lifetimes.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
The greatest single season team of our lifetimes. Yes, how
do you? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You gotta explain that one a little more to me
that why is that other than your own fandom? Why
is that the greatest team?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Wired wire first place, completely dominated. They used six starting pitchers,
the whole season. They lost once in the playoffs, and
mind you, they went four complete games in a row.
They absolutely wiped the floor with everybody. No one could
touch them. I don't remember how many games they want,
one hundred and some, but most dominant season of anyone
in our lifetimes, in my opinion, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean, I think in our lifetimes we also had
the two thousand and one Mariners that put up the
record for most wins in a season. We also had they.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Also didn't win a championship.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
But I think you know enough about baseball that like,
the playoff winner is not the best team a lot
of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, I mean, and.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's a crash like who can It's definitely not. It's
a crapshoot who got hot and for a couple of weeks,
Like I think the playoffs, the playoff winner in baseball
is a really fun thing. And I think it's a
fun tournament because it's unpredictable. It's not like the NBA Finals,

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when you have the best team, you're making the finals
every time and unless you run into another all time
great team, you're gonna win. Baseball is different, and I
think that's a feature, not a bug. But I also
think that the discourse around you're not an all time
great team unless you win the championship is silly. Like
the Braves won in twenty twenty one the World Series,
and their teams the past three years have all for

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sure been better teams than the team that won the
World Series, And I think that that's like indicative of
the way that baseball shakes out. They had like a
good team that got hot and beat a couple of
really good teams in the playoffs, but they were not
a great team, and they've had some great teams since.
So I mean, I just think that's like.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
The point is to be the best team in the tournament.
That is the goal. Obviously you have to get to
the tournament. But regardless of all.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Of that, winning the tournament does not mean that you're
the best team in the tournament. I think that's what
I'm saying is that it's are you the best team
when you lose a season series against another team, like
and that's you know, fourteen games.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
This is where the nerdiness of baseball just gets way
beyond me, Like I understand what you're saying, like in
a rodeo sense, maybe they weren't the best team or whatever.
But you play the game on the field, you win
on the field. It is the tournament that you have
to win if you want to get the trophy. But
that's the fairest or the greatest measurement.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's potological, right, Like that's saying they're the best because
they're the best. And I think that the definition of
the best players and the best teams are what's the
greatest collection of talent and the way that we can
best express that or best understand how that talent's expressed
is in scoring the most runs and preventing the most runs.

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So teams that have the greatest pithag in history or
the greatest run differential in history, those are the teams
that are the most talented. Sometimes those teams win in
older eras they tended to win a lot more often
in our current era, like with the wild card era,
that those teams absolutely can lose in a five game

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series and a seven game series back to back to back.
You know, it's like looking at the past decade of
the Dodgers, you know, especially before last year, and being like, oh, well,
they have one short season championship, Like are they the
best team of the last ten years. Like, they're unquestionably
the best team of the last ten years. They've blown
everybody out of the water. The only other team that

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has an even like remote argument for it is the
Houston Astros, and they also like cheated the shit out
of it for a couple of those years. So I
don't think that for me, you would look at the
past ten years and argue anybody else other than the
Dodgers as the best team. And they've just now won
quote unquote a real world series title, you know, And

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that's where it's like, I think that's a different definition.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
The problem with your side of it is though you're
measuring everything equally, like a home run in the seventh
inning back in April is not as meaningful as a
home run in October. Like I believe in CPA, and
I believe that baseball is a lot about timing. A
lot of it is timing, and not all home runs,
not all runs, not all runs given up are created equally, right.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I don't disagree with that. And that's why the single
highest CPA events are always in the playoffs, because that's
closer to the winner go home stage. But that's different
from saying they're the best players. Like David Freese in
two thousand and whatever that was thirteen, wasn't the best player,
He wasn't the best player on his team. He wasn't

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best player in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
But he wracked up the CPA.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, so you're saying he's the best player of all time,
like he's he's the greatest.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm saying he was the best player at that time
in that moment.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I just don't think that that's actually true. Like he
had one of the most So win probability is the
It's the only thing that matters championship. Probability is the
only thing that matters.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Winning is all that matters, baby and right.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
But the way you win is with good players, Like
that's That's what I'm saying, is that the definition of
of what the best team is is having the best players,
not who won the last game. And I think that
the tournament is fun because of that uncertainty. That's a feature,
not a bug. But it's not the same thing as
they're the best team.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Probability and reality are not the same things, right. I understand,
you make the best calculated measurements, this will give you
the best odds. But when it comes down to it,
it's just who is the best at that time, in
that moment, and the O five White Sox with the
best team in the regular season and the postseason, and
your cute little Mariners weren't that. So I'm sticking to
my guns here, best team of our lifetime, just single season.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Your your favorite team? That fine?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah it was lightning in a bottle, but I will
argue that for it for days. But that's not They're
not my team anymore, man, They're not. I got the
five banner back there though.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, but they they were, And that was like a
formative thing for you. I get why that has stuck
in there your bible.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Never see it. We'll never see a starting pitching staff
like that ever. Again.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
That mid have one good season?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Whatever do? They destroyed it? But AnyWho, that guy, did
you do your homework this week? Did you have any epiphanies,
come to any realizations, feel a little apologetic for your
stance last week at all? A little bit? Now you ap?
Did you watch it?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it's a huge nothing burger.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Oh my god.

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Speaker 2 (08:21):
You'll come around eventually. I'll save you a seat on
the ship. Don't worry, my friend, I got you. But
what the hell are we doing? We're talking about We're
doing the B side show here. We're talking about zero
one that maybe not created yet on fan tracks prospects.
This will be our fifth out of six installments, going
division by division, The rook and I each pick a

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hitter and a pitcher from each organization that we think
might pop up a little bit this year or gain
some more dynasty utility. Sometimes we come to the same player,
and that's always kind of fun and neat. But I
think that's surmises it all right, right, Matt. Indeed it
is so the Al East talk about it's like the
prettiest of pretty boys visions, huh, spending lots of money,
lots of fans wastemarter fans out here. But I thought

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this was a fun one, Matt. I think there's some
of my favorite maybe my top arm in my top
bat out of all the b sides, reside in this division.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
But I could see it. There's some good ones.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Who do you want to start with? What team you
want to start with?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Start with the what I think is the least interesting,
which is which is Tampa for me?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Okay, I was going to say Red Sox for that, but.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Alright, second least is a boss and for sure, but.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Tampa Bay Ray's bats. Who you got? Who'd you land on?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, you know it's worth giving us some props for
our Tampa picks last year, because I thought those were
pretty good. Chandler Simpson turned in an awesome year and
stole one hundred some bases, struck out less than ten
percent of the time, walked in an average amount of time,
put up a one forty WRC plus and I think
now is starting to get some love, although I think

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he's still under owned. When I looked it was like
in your points leagues that penalize K's and especially in
row leagues like as a as a speed option, he
seems under own still. But that was a good one.
I was really hoping that because the Rays are such
a deep smart system, that they were going to have
some of these underappreciated guys.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
One thing they did is they acquired a bunch of
guys that we've talked about from other systems that we
thought were pretty interesting, and Matt Korvath, Matthew Etzel. I
don't know how many other guys that they got, but
quite a few, but all of them have a little
bit of popularity, whether because like it's that the old
Sam Miller tweet, I love this trade for the Rays.
Who they get, who they give up, and people just
assume that the Rays know what they're doing. But I

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was really struggling to find some good options at those
zero and one percent range, especially on the back side.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I looked at a couple of different dudes that were
on the younger side, but couldn't wrap my head around
their foremance like guys that were decent Narcisso Polanco was
a guy that I looked at as like, he's kind
of young, he's been okay, has some traits that I like,
but he was still kind of average as a nineteen
year old and in low A, And I don't even

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feel that much better about the guy that I landed on,
which is on hell Mateo Mateo, like super similar in
lots of ways. His line is almost identical to Polanco's.
He went to twenty four three, twenty three, three forty four,
and he spent the whole year at a ball, so
that was all low A as a nineteen year old.
He also struck out twenty five percent of the time,

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which is like kind of high, especially for what I
like to look for. He did walk a decent amount,
swiped twenty six bags, popped six homers, but he also
didn't hit a homer for like the last two months
of the season, which was a little concerning about is
there something wrong here? Is the power just really not there?
When I watched him earlier in the year, I was like, Oh,
this is sort of an interesting teenager. Maybe he's going

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to get to ten homers. And there's a little more
projection left on the bone and it might just take
a little time for him to get there. You know,
he's six ' one, reasonably well built. I like some
things about his swing, although it seemed like he got
eaten up sliders away and so that wasn't that was
a little bit discouraging to me. It's more that he's
young enough, has shown enough potential that I'm like, and

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I didn't see anybody else that I wanted to bet
on more. So I'm going with Matteo here. Don't feel
great about it. I mean, he's again young, has some talent,
and we'll see what he does at Bowling Green next year.
But there's definitely some flaws here and it wasn't super exciting.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Olivia going like a little of my default here, just
like pick a teenager and a ball. Yeah, I don't know.
Sometimes I don't think I had that before, have you.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm not really And I looked at a couple of
their older guys to see, you know, like Seymour was
Bob Seymour was one that I think was like at
one percent, and I thought maybe he was going to
get looked at in the rule five. But I was like,
no the for him, at least the upside didn't seem there.
Like he seemed like a blow average bat, but like
high probability and as a corner guy, probably not going

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to play.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
So I think Mateo and Polanco, those were two of
my last three finalists here, so we weren't too far off.
But I ended up going the first year player route.
Oh okay, we're not We're talking in pretty small sample size.
This is not a player that I was familiar with
as an amateur, but I'm going I'm not really totally
sure how to say his name, Matt, but Connor huge

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sack huge, huge, which really cool, but Connor huge, huge, sick,
I think, because how I heard them say it, But
it's h u J sak all right, he's an outfielder.
How would you say that name?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, you sick?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think. He started off his college career at VCU
and then transferred to Mississippi State the last two seasons.
The Rays popped him in the thirteenth round four one
hundred and fifty K listened at six ' two, good
sized fella, and shared the video with you there. I
was just kind of impressed with his ability to he
hit some home runs to all fields. I like to
look at the swings of all of those just twenty

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one games played appearances, he hit four home runs, he
swiped five bags. I don't really know if stolen bases
are gonna be a big part of his future. Of
this is just you know, a little wiser baseball player
taking advantage of some A ball guys didn't get caught.
Walked seven percent of the time, struck out twenty four
percent of the time. But you know, decent little debut
here to seventy seven three, twenty six, five, eighteen. I

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know I caught. I'm not even maybe the BA guys.
Last couple of weeks I've been listening to their draft
class review podcasts, and I think they noted that there
was a couple of evs by him over one hundred
and ten during his pro debut. So yeah, I don't know,
just kind of caught a guy. But I kind of
liked the look of his fairly, you know, simple looking
stroke up there. He's got a little bit of a

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I don't know, how do you say it, a little
bit of like a rounded out step, but it's not
real big and everything like that. Yeah, I don't know,
and now his home runs. What I say he popped
four of them, three of them were in one game.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, yeah, so you know it was just a concentrated
couple of days of the home run output. But yeah,
I don't know a guy who was playing some center
field as well. That guy maybe doesn't really look like
a center fielder if you're just being superficial about it.
But Connor huge Sack, huge sick, I mean eighty grade
name and I'll throw them out there as my rais

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B side this year? Solid solid?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Did he end up only a little bit? I caught
a couple of his games late in the season, but
I can't say he stood out when I was just
scrolling through guys.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
And I don't know if I mentioned he's right handed,
I'll share videos. I got videos of his home runs
here on Twitter at Pitching Specs. Check that out if
you if you want to take a look at what
we're trying to talk about.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Here, Yeah, who did you go for for your arm?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, I'm kind of into my arm here quite a bit.
But let's let's look at their system here real quick, Matt.
The pretty boys. There's kind of a lot of pretty
boys in this system. Yell at me if somebody got
traded here recently. But Dylan LESCo thirty one percent, Santiago
Suarez fourteen percent, Carut twelve percent, Ty Johnson ten, Gary
Gil hill Am I picked from last year, ten, pul

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Wilcox ten, Ian Seymour ten, Jackson Baumeister, ten, Brody Hopkins eight.
Nick Bitsko is he even like a professional baseball player anymore?
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, seven percent, tre j Goss three percent, Trevor Martin,
Joe Rock three percent, Trevor Harrison two percent, and I
think Owen Wild I don't know. I have two to
one percent here, so I don't know. Oh, he was
two percent of the beginning of September, one percent at the end.
But you know that's a that's a healthy slew of somewhat,
you know, having some dynasty love out there. But I'm
going with another teenager, Matt eighteen year old and a

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ball Jose Orbina. Are you familiar.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I saw a little bit of him.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, yeah, I had to hit up Clegg today.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Little guy right like smaller, smaller frame.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
No, no, no, no. He was one percent roster, And
so there's some folks on there. I think he was
twenty ninth on Pipeline's list the last time I checked.
He was eighteen point eight years old last his last start,
but he's listed at six three. Maybe maybe that's a
little bit generous, but I know that the story is
with her being that he You know, they signed what

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he signed in twenty twenty three, so not that long ago.
After he signed, there was like a big growth spurt here,
so got much taller and the velocity is like really
ticked up. Venezuelan. He was signed for just two hundred
and ten K. Last year, he pitched forty eight complex
innings and then just seventeen a ball innings, four appearances,

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four starts eer A five twenty nine but a whip
of one point zero six in a ball here four
two two x fip struck out just eighteen point two percent,
walked six point one percent, which was nice because in
a complex it was at twelve percent. Now, granted, again
this is very small sample size, but I did not
mind his execution. Now granted, I think his attack was

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fairly simple, and my watches it was a good fastball
and slider. I think he was just kind of generically
throwing up in the zone for strikes, but doing that
consistently and doing that well. I kind of wonder I'd
love to hear about his slider shape a little bit
because I wonder if it's one that kind of gets
some ride, like erkulanis that we were like kind of
talking about. Yeah, but just playing his ninety five ninety

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six mile per hour fastball within that firm mid mid
eighties slider just up in the zone was just really
kind of dominating these guys. He did throw in what
I thought was a pretty good looking curveball sometimes and
then there was a change up. I think the change
up is very much a developmental pitch at this time.
I think the ones that I caught there was like
they were executed so poorly. You couldn't even like look
at this shape, like it was just like hitting the

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dirt or something, you know what I mean. So I
think that's very much a work in progress. Yeah, yeah, four,
start saying at a ball. He went four and three of
them five and one. You know, it didn't get really
hit up too much. There was one one out he
gave up five to turns, but he earned. But he
didn't walk more than two in an outing, struck out three, two, two,
and five. And now he did give up some home runs.

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I know a couple of those were just and he
was just trying to get some fastballs up in the
zone and he just got him over the meat of
the plate. But you can see the operation, like the
video that I shared, it's, I mean, it's fairly easy
ninety six I think.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Is it a good ninety six though? I mean like
he's in low A against a bunch of bitty teenagers
and he pushed up twenty percent of guys, Like, what's
what's up with that?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I think in part was the sequence of pitching pitches, like,
oh there was a hit a ble ninety six over
the heart of the plate here and they got some
wood on it. You know, it's very much just it's
this is very much eyeballs to me, not really so much.
Numbers is very minuscule sample size, right, but what was
his k rate in the complex? Twenty one point seven percent,

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so not much higher. But I mean, if you wanted to,
if we rewind a year ago, like watching Gary gil
Hill like way more excited about her being and stuff
than Gary gil Hill's at that time. And we know
we know that the rays will sharpen a you know,
a lot of times I think they like to focus
on on one weapon there, guys, and really get the
most out of that one pitch that they can. But

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I don't know an eighteen year old ball of clay
here in this system that I I think could very
well pop up this year. Jose Rbina, It's.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
An interesting one, you know. Like I said, I think
there's some he's got some potential in there. I'm curious
why the results haven't been there. I'm going again more
towards my pensiont I'm going older and to the near,
to the big arms here, I'm picking Logan Workman. I
think I might have taken Wild if i'd known he

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was at one percent, because when I looked, I thought
it was like three or four. So I might slightly
prefer Wild in a vacuum, just a little bit younger,
and I think might have a little touch, more touch,
more upside in the long run. I thought he was
really good, and we talked a bit about him coming
out of the draft last year, so don't need to
belabor that. But among the really interesting arms, you listed

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off a bunch of them, you know, Ian Seymour had
a phenomenal triple A run at that ended in Triple
A this year. Yaniel Corrett, he was awesome too. Oh
and Wild. I thought was a good get from the
O's this year. Hi Johnson, Brody Hopkins also in trade.
Like they had a lot of good pitchers that had

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really good seasons too, but Workmen stood out for me
as in this B side range, I think he was
either zero or one percent when I looked. He's spent
a lot of the year in TRIPA, so we got
to see a lot of data on him, and so
it was really fun digging into what he had there.
His fastballs ninety to ninety five, but it actually plays
better than that, I think, And I actually think he

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got a little unlucky in his results this year based
on some of the pitch shapes and the amount of
swinging strikes that he was getting. He really commanded that
fastball well and so even though he's like averaging it
in ninety two to ninety three, I think that's playing
up pretty consistently. He's also got a change up that
he goes to and throws quite a lot, and I

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thought was quite a good pitch. I think he liked
it his second most after his fastball, and then he
also was a slider and cutter, but those blended a
little bit. For me, I thought they could get a
little bit close to each other, and with you know,
a little bit sharper execution, he might separate those a
bit more. Especially on the slider. I thought that sometimes
he would lose the action, so rather than getting that

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good sharp sweeping bite that it would float, he would
kind of get under it, and I think he let
that get hit sometimes. Did also like watching him start
to start, especially in Tirpla with the stack cast data,
you could see him adjust his approach and his pitch
mix from start to start. Whereas a lot of guys
you throw them on enough and you're like they're going
to be fifty percent fastballs, twenty five percent sliders, ten

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percent curveballs, and ten percent change ups. Workman start to
start he would change how he was attacking hitters and
how he was attacking lineups. He didn't get picked in
the Rule five, and he was eligible this year. I
thought he had an outside chance to and I think
he popped up on ba's Rule five draft prep list
that they thought he might get a look from a
team that wanted a depth starter. I think that there's

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not a ton of upside here. He looks like a
high probability back end started to me. But it looks
good enough that I think he's going to get that shot.
And whether that ends up being with Tampa or he
ends up somewhere else in trade or in free agency,
I'm not sure. But Logan Workman for me, was my
favorite of the one percent arms here, and I do
think there's a lot to like about his pitch mix

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and his approach.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, it was kind of surprised to see that he
was zero percent rostered in September, because I know what
would that be the twenty twenty three AFL season he was,
there was some buzz and some talk about Logan Workmen,
so I guess folks just didn't hang on to that
through the year. Yeah, Matt, just one more thing I
wanted to say about Urbina, Like, you know, you watch,
like I mentioned last week, starting to think more about Like, Okay,

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I watched these young international teenage prospects, right pitching prospects,
and you can kind of watch them side by side
with some first round prep arms that could taken and
I'm like, man, this Urbina's like just seems so much
better to me than some first round prep arms that
have been taken lately, So I don't know for whatever
that's worth. I was just kind of thinking about that.

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I was like, man, this guy would probably be like
a first second round pick if that's how it had
to be. But what do I know about that stuff?
All right? The Boston Red Sox, their most popular arms
are Dick Fitz thirteen percent, well, Wickleman Gonzalez just got traded,
so he was at ten percent, where Donnie Manegro ten percent,

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Luis Paralis eight percent, David Sanlin also just got traded
six percent, Jetkson Payez three percent, your boy from last year,
Isaac Coffee three percent, and then Elmer Rodriguez Cruz he
also got traded at two percent. Everybody else was zero
one percent here, And I will admit that my guy
might be number thirty on my thirty B side arms

(24:45):
I had if I had to line them all up,
I did not come away. I don't know, I'm super
excited about anybody here at this roster percentage. Maybe it
would have been wiser to go with a first year
player draft arm, but they didn't really have many debut
I don't think, and it's always kind of t you
to know what their actual roster percentages are going to
be after drafts and stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
But I could have could have gone Joey Gartreel based
on my live looks University of Portland guy.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's right, that's right. I've just never seen him pitch.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Also, I've also I've also heard good things about Peyton Tully.
His one looks interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
But yeah, he's the one who's got like the like
twenty foot extension rights. Yeah, have seven point three feet
or something.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Picked coffee last year because he was super unusual performer.
The stuff is like eighty nine and tops out at
like ninety one. But I still think that that's going
to play because of how weird his arm angle and
approach to the plate is. I do love to start
with the data and what is the data telling us?
And dude punched out thirty percent of batters in double A,

(25:50):
So I still think that he's flummoxing hitters and is
going to keep doing it. But you know, we'll see
how that how that ends up as he climbs the ranks,
and I'm super curious to see how that goes apparently
nobody is buying it, but keeps putting up numbers. So
we'll see. Looked at a couple of other guys that
I think we've talked about before. Hunter Dobbins. He's one

(26:11):
that we looked at last year, and I think some
people still like I'm just not I couldn't ever get
myself that excited about it. It seems he was so
much better this year than he was better, but it
still just looks so back endy to me, like seventh starter.
Maybe that's good enough.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I don't know. But do a lot of men look
back indy too?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, a lot of pictures too. You know, I was
really excited about the guy that I ended up landing on,
though I'm going with Connolly early. You watch much of
early this year.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I did watch some earlies on my sheet here, but
tell me about him because didn't spark my interest for
whatever reason. But what am I missing?

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
So he's another guy that I think the Velocity readings
are are kind of lying to us or tricking us,
or setting us on the wrong course. I don't know
if we talked about this a while ago, and I
can't remember what who who said this?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Either.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
So this is already a terrible start to the story.
But somebody said that they think that pitching development would
have been much improved if we didn't get the radar
gun first, right. The radar gun was the first concrete
number that we could attach to pictures in picture evaluation.
You know what. With hitters, it was like, I.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Love that world. I think that sounds like a great world.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
With hitters, it was like how far could they hit
the ball? How fast could they run? We could measure
both of those things, but we couldn't really measure how
hard pitchers were throwing and how effective the pitches were
with numbers. We could do it with our eyes and
with the scouting reports. But once we got the radar gun,
that really like anchored people's opinions. And I think we

(27:47):
see that's true of guys like Isaac Coffee, and I
think it is true of lots of guys who like,
they flashed ninety nine on the gun and they're like, oh,
that's Carlos le Grange is really good, hemer Lalani is
really good. Well, they can actually get guys out out,
but you know they're they're really good because they can
throw hard conn only early to me, it is a
good example of this. I think he sits in the
low nineties. It's like ninety one average. Maybe he's a lefty, athletic,

(28:11):
kind of six y three, prototypical pitcher looking guy, you know,
off the bus kind of thing. You watch him, and
if you don't, if you're not looking at the velocity,
you're like, none of these fucking guys can hit this fastball.
He just keeps throwing it in the middle of the plate.
And sure a lot of this was at High A
and Double A. He was about two thirds at High
A this year and a third at Double A this year.

(28:32):
But he just kept throwing this low nineties fastball that
if you're not kind of looking closely, you'd be like, oh,
this isn't that interesting, And yet he kept punching people
out with it. I think that the arm angle and
extension make it play up. I think I saw some
note maybe from the BA guys that it's not an
IVB monster or anything. It's not like a super spinny

(28:55):
low a super spinny pitch. But because the angle is
maybe a little lower then you would expect, it doesn't
need to have great iv B to look really different.
And that pitch plays like it is really really good,
and he also has good command. We're not just talking
about a thrower up there. He's especially of his fastball.

(29:16):
I thought he commanded that exceptionally well in my looks,
and you know, he rounds it out with a couple
of different breaking balls. His slider in particular looked pretty good.
I wonder if he has kind of two like a
sweepery one and a more curve gyro kind of slider,
because it looked like he could go a couple of
different directions with it. A change up as well, that
really good. Like he got a ton of ground balls

(29:37):
with that thing, especially later in the year, it looked
like he was using it more to like people would
be kind of like, oh, I'm sitting on this fastball
that for some reason can't touch, and then he would
throw a change up and get a softly hit ground
ball to the left side, easy out. He's really good.
He was a fifth rounder out of Virginia, so Uva
like big baseball school, but wasn't great there. I think
was seen as like kind of a back end developmental project.

(30:00):
I don't know whether some of this is the pitch
shapes development that the red Sox did this year with
Reslo and the new regime, but early to me looked
absolutely phenomenal, and he was doing it with ease. At
Double A. He gave up one home run in thirty
six innings at Double A, six in sixty seven at
High A. Man was sixteen point four percent swinging strike

(30:23):
rate at Double A, fifteen point seven at High A.
He's punching out thirty point seven percent of batters on
the year with an average league average walk rate. You know,
he's among the best K minus BB guys in the
miners this year, and he was doing it at the
mid to uppers for a pretty unherlded guy. You know, again,
I think he was zero percent owned. He was percent Yeah,

(30:45):
I had one percent here too. And you know how
I mentioned how excited I was about Chad Patrick last week,
how the sharpest guy in my favorite league is a
buddy of mine. He's got Chad Patrick. Of course, when
I was looking and doing my research on this at
the end of the season, who has Connolly Early, same
freaking guy.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So we get that guy on the pod man.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
We should? We should. He'd be a fun one to
come on. He's super sharp and his his his talent
evaluation skills are really really good. I think Early is
being massively slept on and I don't know, there's there's
a couple of other arms that I'm really really excited
about from this crew, but he's up there. I mean,
this is I am as excited about Early on my

(31:25):
B side arms as I am about really anybody else
like he's. He is up there.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Interesting. Do you know Clegg's pretty tapped in, tuned into
the red sox system and recently wrote them up. Do
you know if he was on Clegg's list or if
Clegg had anything any four one one on him?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
No idea, no idea. I haven't looked at his ass lists.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Right well, I am not nearly as excited for mine,
and this will be the last time tonight, but I
am going with another teenager. I'm gonna go with young
Juan Valera percent rostered. Like I said before, this is
if I had to line them all up, this probably
number thirty on my list. But I don't think it's
because of lack of talent or lack of something interesting,

(32:06):
or lack of a way that it could work and
go well. I think all thirty of my guys have
that he's listed at sixty three. He was a twenty
twenty three international free agent out of the Dominican time
for forty five thousand, forty and a third innings in
the complex this last season, twenty three innings over seven
starts able at Greenville two point three five era A

(32:27):
one whip A three point four to eight x fIF
a thirty one point one K percentage to a fifteen
point six percent walk percentage ouch, but in the Complex
it was nine percent, so not nearly as bad, but
again small samples. At Greenville, hitters hit one eighteen against them,
got a good amount of ground balls fifty nine percent

(32:48):
according to fangrafs, the swing strike rate of fifteen point
seven percent, So like other than the walk rate, there
are some pretty nice numbers in his little uh full
season debut. But I will say, unlike Orbina or several
others that I mentioned, the numbers were a lot prettier
than the video looks to me. But this is arm talent, right,

(33:09):
I mean, this is a guy who can get up
there ninety five. There's something that he's throwing at ninety
there's a breaking ball. Mean yeah, Like the video starts
off with like a backed up slider. I think that
happened quite a bit. There's a fastball not I hit
ninety seven, like a lot of pitchers in their system.
There's a splitter being worked one right. There's a curveball,

(33:30):
a firmer curveball at like eighty six, but maybe they
call it a slider. I don't know, a breaking ball,
what have you. My looks with him is like he
could very much look the part for like a batter
or half a batter, but like then the non competitive
pitches would just come out, you know what I mean.
Like it was just way way too much for me
to get like two two into him. But again we're
talking about an eighteen year old ball clay here. Plenty

(33:52):
of arm talent, not anyone that I want to rush
out and roster or draft or anything like that, but
definitely one that I will keep an eye on. And yeah,
I could see a guy that talented getting it together
a little bit and having some more success and getting
more polished. I do have to say the Red Sox
system the last several years kind of like b side
in front arm. I haven't really loved a lot of guys,

(34:12):
but they have they have had I feel like just
just young teenagers in the lowers with a lot of
arm talent, and they got those guys cleaned up and
executing way better than I ever would have bet on
guys like Juan Daniel and Canarcion guy today who got
drafted in the five draft on hell Bastardo, Like, I
think they were way more feral looking. Maybe they were

(34:35):
a little bit older, but during their like A ball debuts.
So you know, I think there's some cleaning up that
the Red Sox do with some guys. So I don't
think that I'm gonna worry too much about his walk
percentage and non competitive pitches at this juncture.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, that might be a good beat. And they've got
quite a few guys that have that kind of talent
and ceiling and if they can just harness the wax,
I meane Mullins, is that guy, your guy from last
year and he did, you know, kept punching people out
this year and was okay with the walks still a
little bit higher than you'd like to see.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
But my hope with him is, like we're still talking
about a guy who has not pitched very much over
the last several years, so maybe maybe that can bring
some hope. Maybe that's just a fool stream, but yeah,
all right, the Bats, Red Sox Bats. I didn't come
up with someone I love a ton, but I am
gonna go with young Nelly Taylor. Not probably like my

(35:30):
kind of bet here, but I think there's some things
to like and hope on. He was twenty one last year.
Played center field, lefty. Listed at six foot. He was
an eleventh round pick in twenty twenty three out of
Junior College in Florida. One hundred and one games in
A ball, ten games in High A this season. Strikeouts
probably the swing and miss stuff probably the biggest, you know,
wart Here twenty five point one percent on the season.

(35:52):
It was thirty one point seven percent in his short
High A stint on the year. Nothing too remarkable on
the surface, numbers two thirty three, three thirty seven, three
seventy six slash. But even though he struck out more,
that slash plan was much more attractive in his small
high sample size two eighty nine, three forty one, five
point fifty three eight home runs on the season, stole

(36:14):
thirty three bases on the season. But I think ultimately
matt Here is like an athletic guy a strong guy,
maybe just a little b side hope on a power
speed Brett And I know that I'm not the only
stand I think Maddy Backpack is is a Nelly Taylor
hopeful too, but real strong, powerful lower half. I think
he uses it well in his swing, and I don't know,

(36:35):
maybe he was coming into his own just a little
bit down the stretch here. Not anyone I'm rostering, not
anyone I am drafting, but somebody that I got my
eye on, and if it goes well, I think it
go really well.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah. I thought similarly of Taylor. He was one of
the couple that I was looking at as well. I
didn't love any of the options at the low roster
percentages here for Boston. I think when Boston's guys blow up,
they're either really really good or they get pretty quickly. Yeah,
but yeah, No, Taylor's a decent shout. I'm going to
Andy Lugo for a lot of the same reasons. He's

(37:06):
you know, a level below Nellie Taylor and similarly has
decent speed, decent athlete. I'm not sure he has a
defensive home. You know, they played him all over the
place already, and he's pretty young and He's played left field,
third base, right field, first base, and I don't know
if he's that good, and I think he's even played
some second I just don't know if he's good at

(37:28):
any of them. I watched a little bit of his
decent defense, but not enough to make a real strong
case one way or the other. But given he's had
a penchant for errors, I tend to think that this
is kind of like they're trying to find him a home.
Is one of those guys that kind of looks better
than his statistical performance. I think, like you watch him swing, he's,
you know, six ' two or so, kind of lean.

(37:50):
You think maybe there's some projection there. He's still just
twenty he'll be twenty one next year and likely and
Hi A, I think that's kind of a it'll be
a real statement ear for Lugo. If he starts to
hit for a little more power and keeps running like
he does, that could be a really interesting bat here.
It's pretty aggressive as a hitter, and I think that
gets into troublesometimes. But he did hit a decent number

(38:13):
of doubles, so I think maybe there's a little bit
more power than the three homers and four hundred plate
appearances would suggest, but his line of two sixty three,
three thirty seven, three seventy one has nothing to write
home about. And like you, I'm not brushing out to
roster him. It's more like, let me put a pin
in this guy and watch him early next year to
see if he's put on a little bit more game
power and maybe maybe there's something here.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, you know, well, red Socks are gaining the reputation
of being the bat speed folks up in everyone's bat speed.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
So I don't know, Yeah, maybe maybe he can do that.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, I think they've done that with some guys, But
that that wraps up the Red Sox, right.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, they or the or the Rays I think were
the least interesting. I think all of the next guys
that we're going to talk about are are fascinating in
one way or another.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I agree, let's do the Orioles.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Matte nasty with it. These are I think we'll we'll
talk about it. But there there are so many fun
places to go in the Oriole system.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I think, so let's start on the arm side. You
look at their roster percentages, like they are so unpopular
of an arm system, do not understand that no, Chase
McDermott twenty four percent, and then nobody was above three
percent in September in their system. Prospect wise, Louis staleone
trace Bright were three percent, Michael Ferrett two percent, Patrick

(39:27):
Riiley two percent, pe For Morphy two percent, Brandon Young
two percent. Do one. Nunez get popped today in the
real five draft. I thought he did. He was one percent.
Alex fam Is one was one percent. The guy I'm
gonna go with was at zero percent in September, and
it's ludicrous. I'm going with Nestor German nice who might

(39:48):
be my number one arm might be my number one
pick when we draft, might be my my pick. Now,
obviously this is a long shot bet. But if someone's
gonna Christian Scott or Zebbie Matthews this year, Meser Germans
my pick, I don't know what kind of odds you
might give me on that sort of bet, but I
might take. I don't know if you've watched a lot
of German, which I wanted to say, I wanted to

(40:09):
say Herman, but they were pronouncing that German. But he's
from up by kind of your neck of the woods.
He went to the University of Sattle. You or Seattle you. Yeah, Well,
I'm sorry, maybe he was. Maybe he was one percent
rostered in September. My apologies, Matt, Well he was. He
was zero percent in the beginning of September, one percent
at the end of September. And I know that he's
only rostered in one of my leagues when he was

(40:29):
twenty two and a half years old. His last start,
he's listed at six three. He's a righty eleventh round
twenty twenty three pick out of Seattle. He spent twenty
twenty four throwing forty eight and a third innings in
a ball and then twenty five and a third innings
in high A. Now watching pictures. I don't know if
this plays into some of the lack of popularity, but
watching pictures in this system and the lowers is a

(40:50):
little tough. There's not like great broadcasts to do it,
at least their home broadcasts. So that was a little
bit of a trick watching German, but it did not
deter me from coming away with some pretty high opinions.
I think German is a poster child of sorts for
draft a good pitcher and hope that the stuff gets
better because the stuff over the course of the season
got way better. They added velocity, life throws, a good

(41:14):
firm slider, like, all of it got better. His season
nine seventy three and two thirds one five nine ERA
a point nine to four whip a two point sixty
three x FIP, thirty one point four K percentage of
five point nine walk percentage. That's not too shabby, Matt.
The very very good hitters hit one ninety three against him,
ground ball percentage of almost fifty percent, didn't give up

(41:37):
a lot of home runs through strikes at a sixty
five percent clip. Now, maybe another part is, you know
he's piggybacking. Was piggybacking? You know they do that in
that system. They have a lot of guys they want
to get innings too. After he moved up to Hi A,
he didn't technically start any game in High A, but
he did go three four and two thirds four three
and two thirds, four and four innings pitched in those

(41:58):
one two three what outings? I think the fastball is
probably like I don't know, ninety five ninety six. It
was really good from sledder. Like I mentioned, there's a
curve ball as well that I think looks pretty nasty.
I don't know if the change up. The change up
might be his least developed offering.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I still think it's really good. Yeah, yeah, you know,
it's worth noting on the fastball that I think it
rides really well. I mean, you look at his arm angle.
It's a little more over the top than some of
the guys. It's not like a Bryce Miller super flat
rising fastball. But I think it looks to me. I
don't have any IVB numbers on him or anything, but
it looks to me visually like he's getting good ride

(42:36):
with it because he's coming right over the top, and
I think that's helping it play.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, you know, and when you just talk about like
good arsenal and good execution coming together, I think that's
that's Nestor German here big time. I you know, kind
of let it out in the discord that this was,
you know, maybe my favorite B side arm And I
know Clegg chrimmed in so that he might think he's
the most underrated pigeon prospect in baseball. I think there's

(43:01):
a case for that for sure. Hopefully he graduates from
the piggyback stage of his development here and full on
starter go and he's a guy who I think you
could drop and you could drop into the biggs right now.
And some of his some of the at bats, some
of the sequencing, quality of stuff, quality of the execution,
like that's going to give major league hitters a hard
time right now. It's just doing it all the time consistently.

(43:23):
Obviously is a big hurdle for a loud guys. But
I like the bet and I like the chances that
this is a major league This is a dude. Yeah, yeah, No,
one's rostering.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I co signed this one. I am a rosterer myself
in my thirty team deep league that I love. I
second everything you say, and I knew he was going
to be your pick, so I'm not gonna co sign
it for purposes of the B side or draft. But no,
I'm a big fan as well. I think this is
a great pick. My one concern about him at this

(43:55):
stage is the innings and are they going to let
him up into that workhorse or are they going to
pen him because looking at the way the stuff plays,
the fastball, slider, change up combo as a reliever, like
maybe they just want to fast track him to do
that because they do have a lot of these like
starters that are have really good stuff and have some

(44:19):
innings under their belt. You know, Povich and McDermott and
Brandon Young, I think all are big league quality starters.
But none of them I think is like that you know,
Ace type guy, and so maybe, but they're all ahead
of where German is and some of the other guys
that we'll talk about. So I wonder if they have
seen just how much this stuff plays up. I mean,

(44:40):
you're talking like nineteen point seven percent swinging strike rate
in high A super impressive. That is up there as
some of the nastiest stuff in the minors. So my
one concern is that they stop him starting next year.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
And for whatever, This is where I threw out one
of their brass that I thought he might be my
favorite arm in their whole system, and where they didn't
think that was a crazy notion. So take that for whatever.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
That's good to hear. I mean, I want to see him,
give him a chance, like, let's see what he does
at the double A rotation and see if he can
build some innings, because you're you're absolutely right, the stuff
is hillacious and it is really it's fun watching him
pitch too, Like you see him just attack guys and
something doesn't work, they'll try something different and it often
works the second time. So he's it's fun.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
It's super great to see a guy who's like stuff
just like ticked up over this year and like doesn't
skip a beat with the you know, the execution and
the strike throwing and stuff that all just stayed where
it was too, Like, I don't know, I don't know
if you see that every day.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah again, I already mentioned him, but Brandon Young is
another of my favorite guys in the system. I really
like Chase McDermott too. I know the walks are higher
than I usually like to see, but I watched a
good bit of him this year before he got hurt
and thought that it was getting better, like the command
was tightening up and the stuff was staying and he
was still getting the punch outs. Like McDermott looks really

(46:03):
exciting if they can hone that that strike throwing just
a little bit. And I think Brandon Young looks like
a you know, number four, number three kind of starter.
And what did you say, he's two percent owned? Yeah,
Like that's ridiculous to me, Like he's I would take
him over most of the pictures in the FYPD draft
that's upcoming, Like, I think he's going to be real good.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Before you name your guy, I just want to throw
what was my short list here, because I think it
could have been quite long. I kind of think I
might know who you're going to pick. But tell me
if your guy's on this list here, Brax and Bragg,
Cam Weston, I picked him last year, So not him,
but Blake Money, Levi Wells, Ty Weatherley, Trey Gibson.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, none of those guys.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Okay, all right, my other finalist in this system, and
I think there's a lot of other guys that could
be in that list too.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah. Yeah, A couple of those guys I think are
pretty interesting. I mean I looked at Blake Money, huge dude.
Stuff looks pretty good, big fun Beard just he's still
a little raw for me, and I think still has
some work to do there. I don't know if you
came to the same conclusion. The other guy that I
was really excited about I think I had mentioned before,

(47:08):
Peter Van Luhn.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, that's why that was my favorite. That my ads
on bet that you'd pick.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Van Lune is awesome. I think super underrated and I
think he's another one of these guys that was a
late pick out of UC Irvine, and as he's gone
up the levels, seems like he just keeps getting better,
you know, punching out thirty one percent of batters at
double A in a starter's workload. You know, he's got

(47:34):
eleven starts there. The walks ticked up a little bit too,
which I don't I don't love, but twenty point six,
twenty eight point six came I as BB two sixteen
average against really really solid stuff across the board, solid
power pitcher. I think that he could follow that kind
of McDermott path and like the stuff keep ticking up
and if he can keep the walks in check, which

(47:56):
historically he's been like more a good strike thrower than
a great one. But Van Luhn is again like German
for me, really really exciting, so excited to see what
they do next year. And I think would be a
great B side pick in a lot of years. But
it just it happens occasionally, like maybe once or twice
where Nate you get one right, and I think cam

(48:19):
Wesson was your one last year that you got right
and is the guy that I want to highlight again.
So I'm gonna piggyback on that one. Co sign on
German like great pick. Totally agree he's I think he's
going to be good and I hope they use him well.
Van Luhn is my like like kind of B sides
B side, you know that I think he could he
could pop off a bit next year. He keeps going

(48:41):
on the developmental trajectory that I think he is. I'm
gonna double tap your guy from last year and think
that this was just a great pick Weston. For those
that don't remember, he was a mid round pick. I
think like eighth round out of Michigan. If I recall
you had liked his like aggressive pound the zone kind
of approach and pitchability and execution that he thought that

(49:03):
that was like playing above where people were valuing him
last year and hi a last year where he spent
a good chunk of the year. He was quite successful
and fifteen point one percent swinging strike rate induced a
bunch of ground balls pitched to a two six eight er.
I think it was a good call then and then
he just did that but better and at higher levels

(49:25):
this year. Weston's another one of these guys that he's
a low slot slinging righty like. His motion is really fun.
He almost gun slings it from the hip like he
separates his hands and then his right hand where the
ball is is just hanging out by his hip and
then just whips out and around and he gets great
sinc on his fastball and change up the slider is

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really nasty. He keeps everything on the ground. He got
fifty seven percent ground balls in Higa this year, and
then in a larger sample it fell to forty five
percent at double A, and he did start to give
up few homers, but still he was limiting walks. The
babip was pretty low. He threw a good number of innings,

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like he almost got one hundred and ten innings on
the air, which I also love, like starting to build
that starter's workload. And he was another one that as
he went through starts, he kept up the stuff like
there was no drop off, unlike some other guys who
as they go through the outing they'll change things up.
What I like about Weston is that he does the
same thing over and over and over again, and guys

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can't adjust. To me, that tells me something about the
stuff that Like, he just keeps sinking that fastball underneath
righty's hands and they keep grounding it out. He keeps
throwing the slider down and into lefties and they whiff.
It's like they know what's coming and they still can't
do anything about it. And I also love his kind
of like demeanor and the way that he like is
a bulldog out there on that He's like, I know

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that you're not going to hit this stuff hard. I
know you're not going to get me. And he really
has to miss a spot I feel like to get got.
I saw him give up a home run early in
one outing where he hung a slider into a lefty.
Same guy later in the game struck him out on
a slider that was actually executed where he wanted it.
You could see him just get fired up about it,

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like he buried it down and in one two left
he swung over it and you know, same pitch that
he had hit out when he left it up, but
he like, I'm going right back to that same pitch.
I just executed it badly, execute it well, strikeout. So
Kim Weston, I think he's really really good and for
what it's worth. Steamer projects him as a three eight
six er guy in the majors next year. Now they're

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projecting him as that as a reliever, so take that
with some some Usually when they do kind of the
lower projections, or if they don't project you, quote unquote
as a starter, the eer comes down because you know,
shorter outings and all that stuff plays up. But that
is still really really good. There are not a lot
of even reliever types. They get sub four projections when

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you haven't sniffed triple A yet, let alone the major leagues.
So that tells me that the computers are also seeing
that what he has been doing not only looks sustainable,
but it looks like it's gonna play at the higher levels.
So I don't always use that as a as a barometer,
but I do like it as a as a sanity

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check one way or another. And that's like a big outlier.
That's a really really impressive projection. So I think they're
gonna keep letting him start, though I know they did
some of the piggybacking with west End this year as well,
but it was still usually you know, four or five
inning outings when he was piggybacking in so I think
they're going to keep letting him start.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
This is pretty much par for the course in their system,
I mean, what everybody's doing.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Also because they just have a lot of arms to
go around. I mean, this system is deep and good.
There are so many good arms.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I know there's like maybe not a lot of name
value in the dynasty world here, but this is legit,
and I.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Think there should be. We've talked about like six names
in here that I would take over. I don't know
anybody in the Boston system, including the pretty boys, like
you can have loose parless, you can have your I Manegro,
you can have all those pretty boy arms, like I
don't care. I want all these guys in Baltimore system.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Do you think it's because they're like piggybacking that it
just like kind of goes under the radar for a
lot of dynasty folks. It might, it might, It doesn't
really like great well to like different.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
They're also not spending like side draft capitals, you know,
but they're also not spending like high draft capital. Like
most of the guys that we've talked about are all
mid or late rounders, and I think that people, especially
post fypds, they hang on to that first rounder because
they were a first rounder for so long. And I
think we know pretty fast in Pro Bowl. We get

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a lot more useful information almost right away when guy's debut,
and like sometimes that's in the next.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Is right, Bitsko is still rastered more than all these guys. Yeah,
you know Criminal for example, a year ago and this
was even I know there are twenty twenty three class
for pitching seemed like a pretty dang good class and
we were just starting to see them a year ago now,
but even even before that kind of felt like it

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was very underrated and there was a slew of talent
here and guys that thought could pop up, we thought
could pop up. So yeah, the Orioles pitching, and I
know in the discord and stuff, people are starting to
talk about it a little bit more and maybe it
won't be quite as unloved a year from now. But
you want some b side arms, check out the Orioles. Man,
There's there's some of the best least rostered starting pitching

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prospects out there.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I think. Yeah, all right, the bat side, Matt Batside,
I thought there was some like you said before, I
think there were several different ways you could go at
this roster percentage, but I landed on a first year
player guy that I liked the brief looks of quite
a bit and interesting.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
What were some of the other guys that you were
that you were looking at, like.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Edwin Amparo, Aaron Estrada, Tavy and Josenberger, Edri compos and
Miguel Rodriguez were my final my finalist here, and I
was I just listened to the BA guys review the
Orioles draft just today yesterday, and they were talking about
my guy here, so that makes me feel good. But
I'm going with their third round pick from this year

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out of USC, Austin excuse me, Austin Overn. I don't
know if you're familiar. Kind of fits. I think a
search that they've been on. I think they're kind of
looking for a speedy center fielder type, you know, and
I think he very much fits that profile. I don't
know where he might sit right now in the pecking
order in their system for that profile. But a former
wide receiver they were saying today. I didn't know that

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until I listened to the BA guys at USC at
twenty one years old lefty listed at six foot that
might be a little generous. I don't know. Pro debut
was only twenty one games, fifteen in a BL and
six in High A, but I thought he was pretty impressive.
Walked sixteen point one percent of the time, struck out
twenty seven percent of the time two eighty three, ninety eight,

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four sixty seven, hit a home run. I don't think
he's like a big power guy, but I think he
is a guy might hit the right shapes to hit
some home runs and has enough in there. Stole sixteen
bags in twenty one games. Granted it's in the lowers,
but I think speed is going to be a part
of his game. Good enough for one forty six WRC
plus in Hi A, pulled the ball forty one percent

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of the time sixteen point seven percent ground ball rate
in his small sample size in Hi A. But uh yeah,
I don't know, man, Austin Overn, Maybe you could be
a center fielder for them relatively soon. I don't know.
I mean, that's a tough tough place to break in,
but I kind of the third round picks don't tend
to be very popular in first year player drafts.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
US soon interesting interesting. Well, you know, I think he's
going to have a hard time leaprogging my B side
pick of enriy K Bradfield junior from last year, who
is speedy centerfield plus defense and one of the most
prolific and effective base deelers in the miners and he
I think I was a little worried this year with
Bradfield that the K rate was ticking up, but he

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I think got that under control. It's still a plus.
It's not elite, but it's plus at fifteen percent, so
I think that could play, especially that he takes a
walk too, so gives himself a lot of chances to steal.
And he actually hit some homers this year four homers
hit five doubles in eighteen or five triples rather in
eighteen doubles two so Bradfield.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Still were any of those inside the park home runs?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I think there was at least one, but he did
leave the yard over the fence a couple of times.
My guy this year, I'm actually quite excited about one
of these ones that I think it's kind of a
slow burn watching him, and is one where the numbers
might be a touch ahead of like the data, like

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the stack cast and some of the EV data, but
I'm going with Aaron Estrada this year. Yeah, he's one percent,
I think when I looked.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, I use one percent on September twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Okay, and just slashed two eighty six, three fifty six,
four sixteen, nineteen doubles, five triples, nine homers, thirty nine steals,
eight point two percent walk rate, sixteen percent strikeout rate.
Good for a one twenty six WRC plus end of
the year at high A, but most of the year
in loway.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
The thing about Estrata is that he's five to eight.
So you know, short boy short King is prime B
side hunting territory and he's listed at one forty two
on fan grafts. Now, I think he's a little bit
taller and definitely bigger than this. Now that might have
been his reported height and weight when he was signed
out of Venezuela a couple of years ago as a

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seventeen year old in the DSL. So I think he's
a little bit bigger than this. Like he's still on
the smaller side, but looks athletic, which he good runner,
not a great base stealer, you know, watching his steals
like a lot of them are close, or he picks
some wrong times to go, but he's like I think,
working on that. You know, he did still thirty nine
bags this year, but I think there's some power there

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that is a little bit surprising given the small frame.
So that's something that I think could tick up. We
might see fifteen or twenty homers next year, which would
be really interesting. And he's one of those guys that
it's the whole package put together is what makes him interesting.
I like his swing. I think he puts it on
the ground a touch too much, but I think that
the swing still looks really really nice. He's balanced on

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both sides of the plate. He's a switch hitter, balance
from both sides. I think he's a better from the
left kind of guy, but still good from the right.
The overall approach, the overall package, to me, is one
that it gets underappreciated, right. It's one of those ones
that it's going to be kind of the sum of
the parts profile, but one that I think is really

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really good. And I'm not alone in this Steamer Again,
I know I just mentioned this, but it's also fun
to look at steamer projections for young minor leaguers because
they take just the data that they have access to
and say, what would this guy hit in the major leagues.
Also removes a lot of the bias things like where

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was he taken in the draft, or what's his scouting report?
Or how tall is he? Like those things don't play
into their algorithm. I don't think last I checked. And
so then you get to stack guys up pretty interestingly.
So I looked at every guy who had yet to
debut in the majors, which you know, for nineteen year olds,
there aren't any this year. Quick quiz nate, who's number
one on this list nineteen years old? Who's the best

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hitter according to Steamer as a nineteen year old, best
nineteen year old he's in this system?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh uh, Basallo Biseo, sorry say.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
He's number one by an absolute metric. Shit ton the
Seo is going to be an absolute monster in the
major leagues. Like that guy, I mean, if you can
acquire him, I think there's a good chance that he's
the best hitter period in the minor leagues by by
potentially a lot. Biseos is very very impressive. Number two
and three are guys that I have definitely hated on

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in the past. Walker Jenkins and Jus Way to Paula,
both because they've been very young, have succeeded in the
challenges that they've faced and have made it up to
the upper minors. So that helps. And the fourth guy
is actually another one that I've been a little skeptical of,
largely because I don't think he's having a ton of success,
but they keep pushing him up high. In Nelson Rada,
so he's fourth and Aaron Estrada is fifth. And considering that,

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unlike Rada, it's not like he's got shoved up into
double A this year. He's been at you know, advanced
levels for his age as a nineteen year old. Making
up to HYA is good. That's a tough challenge and
he's held his own there. But that means that Aerin
Astrada is ahead of pretty boys like Max Clark, Colt Emerson,
Ralphie Velaskez, Jefferson, Rojas is a here hope at Chedrie Vargas, Hansel,

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Luis Robert Klas, George Lombard Junior like and these are
the good nineteen year olds, these are the ones that
have like done something, and and our plant with Jason Churio,
he's just ahead of him. This is not the end
all be all. There's huge wide ara bars around this
kind of projection. And I don't use this is like
this is who's better than who when slicing these things up,

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but it is a really strong reminder that age matters
a lot, and when someone is kind of holding their
own at a level that is way above their paygrade,
like like they're playing against way older guys, we really
should wait that pretty heavily and suggests to me that
Aeron Estrada is borderline top one hundred overall prospect right now,

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and nobody thinks he's that good. So I think Estrata
is one that you should try and acquire quietly, Like
you don't have to make him the centerpiece of a deal,
but like if you can find something interesting for the
owner that has Estrata or pick him up for free.
I mean he's a one percenter, so that I think
he has got a chance to be a outperform Max
Clark right like, and Max Clark is quote unquote a

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great player, but could could return you better value than
Max Clark as they rise up the levels. So hop
on the erin astrata train. I'm super excited about this
some of all the parts player visually it checks out
for me. I think the statistical performance has been quietly
very impressive, and I'm excited to see what he can
do next year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Right On, I actually was rostering this strata or a
good chunk of this year in a few leagues, but
kind of towards the end of the year moved along
for a more further advanced pitcher. I think probably in
most cases at the top of my shortlist, I think
he was going to be my pick until I came
across Over. And now maybe I was thinking about this
stuff too much, but I was thinking about the stature,
and I was thinking about the ground ball percentage, and

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then I was just watching over and I was like, yeah,
maybe there's like just some more impact here that I
can feel safe about, which I think was the deciding
factor for me. But thinking about how you know, the
way that you put it, like, maybe I was understelling
him a little bit, and maybe I shouldn't have dropped
right on Aeron Estrada. I like it, But was it
a tough call for you in this system? Were there
other guys that were there was this pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
On the hitter side, this was pretty easy. I mean,
there's some other guys that I think are are interesting
and a guy that I've long flirted with in the
Baltimore system actually just got popped in the minor league section,
John Rhodes. I think we might have talked about him before.
He had a pretty bad year, but he's someone that
I've been pretty intrigued by some of the skills in

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the past, and I don't know, the Dodgers aren't stupid
and they took him, so yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Doosenberger in his fifty steels was kind of interesting to
me too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I watched a favorite of Josenburger too. He had a
good year. I think he's really interesting. Again, I love
the plate discipline combo of an above average walk rate
and a better than average strikeout rate. So Josenberger's he
is a good one. That's definitely a good shout And
if it were not for Estrada, Josenberger might have been
a good pick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Matt. The Toronto Blue Jays looking at their arms, Ricky
Titaman's still most popular fifty six percent two arms. Yeah right,
that's really unfortunate too. I like Tituman, Jake Bloss who
they got from Houston, right m h fifteen percent, Brandon
Barrierra fifteen percent, Adam Maco five percent, Landon Marudis three percent,

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prey Yasavage there what first round pick? Second round pick
this year? Is that three percent already? And then I
don't know some two percenters that are meh? And that
was and that's about it. Your guy from last year,
Lazaro Estrada, thought he might get picked today in the
Rule five, but didn't. I was still at zero percent.
You and I like him a bit, and I ended
up landing on another first year player, are Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
You're going aheady on the first year player guys?

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, I guess the three of them tonight. I don't
know if I don't know how many I've taken overall
on the arm side, it doesn't feel like as many
as last year. AnyWho I'm going with Colby Holcombe. I
don't know if you watched him at all. I don't
think I did. There wasn't a ton fifteen innings. After
getting drafted twenty one years old, Righty listed at six six,
good strong, big frame. They drafted him out of Mississippi

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State this is the second Mississippi State What are they?
The Bulldogs and I talked about tonight. He was the
ninth round pick, signed for one hundred and ninety eight K.
His college career, Matt was pretty unremarkable, I think. But
he only had like fifty eight relief innings for Mississippi
State over the last two years, and they weren't very productive.
Numbers weren't very good, but I know he had a

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really good cape his last year. There is some savant
stuff right because he was in the Florida State League.
So looking at that stuff, here's a four seam fastball
that averaged ninety three point one, but he can get
it up there higher than that when he wants to.
He'll reach back at ninety five ninety six. I know
there was reports that I don't know if this is
while he was in college or on the cape, but

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he can like touch ninety nine. The four seam sinker
game I thought was pretty interesting with him, Like he
mixed those two up, and I thought he like good
timing when he chose to throw, you know, was good
at deciding which one to throw. There's a slider, there's
a curveball, there's a cutter. And there's a change up.
I don't think he threw a ton of change ups,
but it's in there. I thought the slider looked pretty decent,

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but you know, maybe now he's a bigger frame. I
have no idea what like the extension is that he gets.
I kind of imagine it's probably decent. Maybe there's a
little bit like Johnny right hander ish to him, something
like he's less funky than a lot of a lot
of our arm picks this year. I just liked the
little looks of him, like, and you know, the debut

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was pretty good production wise, one point a d r
a one point one to three whip Now he just
struck out under twenty percent and walked almost twelve percent,
so you don't love to see that. But he didn't
strike me as a guy maybe like the secondary game,
but I thought the fastball commands he's like a potentially
like a three fastball guy was pretty good. So I
don't know. Obviously the blue Jay saw something in him

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here wanted to take him second day, and I could
kind of see it. I don't know, man, I was
just enjoying my looks. I thought it was good mix
of stuff and pitchability. Big, strong frame. I don't know.
This is why I landed on Kobe Holcom nice.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah, it sounds like a decent dart throw. I mean
I didn't love the arms in the system. I still
think lazarro Strada is my favorite picture in their system period.
Maybe Adam Mako comes back and is good again. I
liked him when he was with the Mariners, but I'm
not a teetaman guy. I think he's a reliever if
he ever can stay healthy enough. And I wasn't a

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big fan of the rest of the arms in the
system other than Estrata, who I think had a really
nice double A, and I'm excited to see what he
can develop into next year. I don't like the guy
that I'm picking, really like. He's a bottom five maybe
armed for me in the system, but he's near to
the bigs. It's Trenton Wallace. He's spent most of the
year in triple A. The stuff is like not even

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stuff that I'm going to defend. You know, it's eighty nine,
but it's not like special shapes or anything. He can
spin it. Okay, so he still struck out twenty six
point five percent of batters, but he has to nibble
quite a lot to do that. So I don't think
the performance was all that impressive. And he's seems just
like really depth arm material to me, or a long
swingman role, eat innings kind of thing. But this is

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not a strong recommendation by any stretch to the imagination.
I don't think he's that good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I agree there wasn't a lot of other than a
Strata who was still zero percent. I wasn't really taken
by the many of my looks here. There was a
teenager Luis Torres that there was a few looks of
in single A. But I still like to holk him better.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Cool but the bats, yeah, yeah, yeah, some fun ones here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
That's where it's at. I think r J Shrek might
be my number one beside that this year came over.
I was going to get that what's that. I was
going to guess that, yeah, that's that, and that you're
not going with Shrek.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
I almost did, And as I'll say, I think that
this is the smart pick. This is a this is
a reversal of fortune here, a reversal of roles, because
I think that Shrek is high probability, good hitting big
leaguer like that. That is is going to be pretty good.
But I think my guy is a moonshot chance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Okay, all right, look at us. Yeah, switching roles here
a bit, but yeah, I'm going to go with Shrek,
twenty three year old outfielder lefty listed at six to one.
He was the ninth well, he was the Mayriorner ninth
round pick out of Andy in twenty twenty three. What trade? Oh,
justin Turner? Right? Yeah, that was just straight up Trek
for Turner, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I think that's right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, how do you feel about that
as a Mariners fan?

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Look, Jerry's constantly trying to trade from his mid round
picks that hit to get a little bit of help
for the big league squad. Turner did help the big
league squad. I don't think that this is a trade
that they're gonna, like, really regret in the long term
for reasons that we'll we'll talk about. But I do
think that it's gonna hurt when Trek hits the ground

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running in the bigs as a hitter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Okay, And you know, after I landed on Trek mid
video and stuff like, I got hit up by a
few people that were just like, hey, I think Trek's
really a dude, and these are like, you know, more
like data guys. So take that for whatever it's worth.
But but he spent most of the year in Everett, right,
seventy eight games there, yeah, forty four played appearances. Then, yeah,
he hit like twelve home runs. And this is a
guy that I think as an amateur, I don't think

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home runs were really like a big part of it.
So you're like, yeah, you know, this guy's an Everett.
You know that ridiculously small porch. So maybe some of
that is is a bit bloom, but you kind of
continue to hit home runs even when he moved up well, no,
now with Seattle, but he hit five with what New
Hampshire right in one hundred and fourteen played appearances. Well,
this is a guy that total on the year walked

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fifteen point seven percent. Now, and that was thirteen point
five percent, and combining both his double A stops struck
out just a little bit more sixteen point five percent.
It was twenty three percent in double A on the
year slash two fifty one, three eighty eight, four sixty
two with at two eleven ISO and that was on
a two seventy four babbit's good enough for a one
forty two WRC plus. Like we talked about, I think

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he kind of maximizes his home run potential with his
bad boss.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
I was going to talk about this, Like you watch
him play, his superpower is the barrel control and the
launch angle control. Like he is a poster boy for
I'm trying to lift this particular pitch and I'm trying
to hit this pitch on a love I'm like, he
does a really really good job manipulating the barrel that way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
And it's kind of a cool story. I think he
started off as a walk on at Duke before transferring.
I did notice the splits aren't the greatest, so maybe
there's some platoon stuff to think about there. It's like
six hundred in August after the trade, first month in
the Eastern League, and I don't know as far as
this sort of goes, maybe like a little bit of
a tweener, Like I don't know, is he does he

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lack impact for like the corner outfield life, but is
he like really a center fielder. I don't know. I
think he only had it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
That's my that's my like real world take on this
is that he probably moves to the corner. So maybe
he's a decent left fielder and he I don't think
it's going to be like a twenty five homer back.
He might he actually might get to that in some seasons,
like if he gets a good long run because he
hit so many fly balls. It's just one of the
things that I think makes him a pretty interesting guy.

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But it's it's it'll be tough for him to do,
so you know, he's really going to have to really
going to have to hit. And I don't think that's
like his power baseline. But he's a guy that his
game power is I think two grades above his raw.
He just is so good at manipulating the barrel that
he's going to get to all the power that he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah, they had not that this like is a measurement
of how good you are defensively necessarily, but two airs
on the season, and one of those was in his
very first game. But I think he was primarily what
was he primarily playing center field?

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
He played left and right the most.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Okay, I just wrote I wrote down outfield, which in
my language to myself just means he played all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, mostly and left.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Then yeah, Shrek is a pretty good get for Toronto
and Toronto even more so today. Just kind of gobbling
up a lot of these kind of like deside ish
kind of like just like guys. Then they got a
lot of them, and I don't know, maybe maybe a
few of them pop and produce more than they're sort
of popularity in name recognition right now. But I think

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they've made a lot of interesting trades and gobble up
a lot of these kind of like mid tier prospects
that I have the like quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
And as we've seen, sometimes these mid tier prospects add
a little bit and turn into Spencer Horowitz, who was
just like traded for an absolute crap ton and given
that nobody was on him a couple of years ago.
But if you keep hitting at the upper miners, and
I think that the Jays have a bunch of these guys,
you know, Will Wagner is another one that like he's
kind of underappreciated, but I think is gonna be a

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good major league hitter. Alan Roden's another one. I think
we've talked about who he's to me, got a lot
of the like hitterish traits that I think are underappreciated,
even Josh Kasevich. I think he's another one that like
is kind of sneaky interesting. And you know, they acquired
our boy McAdoo who kept hitting post trades. So think
that there's and Panogo too. You know Panongos, as you

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had mentioned, he's been caught and cold last year and
for you in general, but he still remained somewhat interesting
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yeah, so who'd you end up going? Who's your moon
shot here?

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Yeah? So even with me saying I liked a lot
of these guys, and I think most of the guys
that I just named were over our roster threshold percentage.
I'm not one hundred percent on that, but I'm pretty
sure that these are all guys that were like two
or three percent. I'm just advocating that they're pretty interesting
and folks should look at them. They've got a lot
of these like league average or maybe a touch better

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kind of bats, but where they can to play on
defense and all that kind of stuff. And I was looking.
I watched quite a bit of the J's and explored
a bunch of their FSL data and TRIPAA data because
obviously we've got stat cast for that, and I thought
they had a really interesting set of guys from the draft,
one of whom was included in that him and his
trade too, Nick Mitchell. I had just been watching him

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as I was brushing up on the Jay's system, and
then when I saw that Mitchell was included in that
deal for Andres him and Is, I was like, oh, yeah,
I thought he was pretty interesting as well, good swing decisions.
I thought his contact looked good at four homers and
his hundred plate appearances stole three bags, like interesting power
speed and was decent at Indiana. I was like, well,

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that's kind of an interesting guy and a very Cleveland
kind of target. And then the other guy that I
thought was pretty interesting, another outfielder that they drafted, Eddie
Mikletty Junior. Do you watch any of him?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
I think so, Yeah, I got him on my list here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
He was a Virginia Tech guy again mid round, like
eighth rounder out of out of Virginia Tech. He had
really good walks to strikeouts, you know, it was almost
one to one, popped a couple of homers. I liked
a lot about his look as well, really nice left
handed swing. So he's another one that I'm interested to
see how it goes. But I got sucked in to

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another of these like super weird guys. Aaron Parker.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, he would have been he was, He would have
been mine. If it wasn't, he would have nice. Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
So they settled on those two. So Aaron Parker out
of UCSB. The other catcher that I took a random
ass flyer on, Brendan Durfy for San Diego.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
So Brendan Durfy, who I like pulled out of a hat.
Barely watched any of him, but it was like, ay,
it's interesting in a difficult to find somebody's system. Well,
big catcher out of UCSB, I'm going with Aaron Parker
out of UCSB, who's a catcher who's just drafted. So
the two of them were both at UCSB last year,

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splitting time. I looked like they shared some time and
DHD and all of that. Aaron Parker had a good debut.
Surface numbers were two thirty five three eighty five thirteen,
good for a one fifty four WRC plus in a
ball and now like college bat coming out of the
draft in a ball like you expect them to do

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pretty decently well, and you know the warts struck out
twenty seven percent of the time. That's a lot, especially
for a college bat. But because it's the FSL, we've
got exit Vilo data and we've also got swing decision data,
and Aaron Parker is off the freakin charts on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Both of them. Well, when I were just looking at that,
just pulled that up the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Absolutely nutty exit Villo. His ninetieth percentile was like one
oh eight for something, which is like crazy high for anybody.
I mean, that's like elite big league power, Like that's
that's I think in the ninetieth or ninety fifth percentile
for major leaguers Like that's Roman Anthony is at that,

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and he also walks seventeen percent of the time. And
so I started comparing him, and do you know who
is like number one comparison is Emmanuel or Rodriguez because
they never swing, they walk all the time, they strike out,
they have poor contact and elite power. So Aaron Parker
is Emmanuel Rodriguez, but just without the steals and plays catcher.

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I watched him a bit of catcher. It looked fine
to me, nothing great, nothing awful.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was wondering about
about his catching ability, like which.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Yeah, starts and it looks it looks fine to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I mean, is there is there anything like less sticky
than defensive catcher grades for prospects and opinions, so over
and over, so many examples of it going both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Yeah, and you know he DHD. He DHD a lot
in a ball likes basically fifty to fifty. Some of
that might have been coming off a college she's in.
Some of that might have just been like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
You're talking, like you're talking this like short right handed yep, nasher.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Yep, he's and looks like it. But he hits the
ball in the air a ton, you know, thirty four
percent in the air, twenty two percent line drives. He
pulls the ball too. But even when he goes opo,
he might leave the yard at any given moment. He
had a really cool opo homer. He just like muscled

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out the outfielder kind of drifted back thinking he might
have a play, and then it was way over the wall.
It's like crazy. He has huge contact concerns, like we're
talking bottom of the scale contact in both end zone
and overall. The guy never fucking swings so I kind
of think it's just not going to matter that much.
And when he swings, he is looking to do damage.

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And again this thing with like short guys and oh
we shouldn't like him or whatever. The dude fucking mashes.
He hits the ball so hard already, that's the thing
you care about, that's the thing you're worried about for
a short guy. Like if he showed that that is
in his toolkit. I just don't think his height really
matters all that much to me. So he has one

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big flaw, but a bunch of things that I really
really like. So I'm betting on Aaron Parker and this
new wave of how you hit is swing lass. I
think he's on that train and when you swing and
hit it, you hit it really far. So Aaron Parker's
my moonshot guy. That he might be just like an
absolute masher ketcher kind of guy, or he might not

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make enough contact and he might flame out Shrek to me,
is the high high probability, great pick. Like Co signed
that as well. It's a good, good B side rep.
But I'm shooting the moon here and going Aaron Parker.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Yeah, I'm glad you picked Parker. That's cool. Yeah, Vogel
hit me up. He's like, hey, the with the new
Bowman Draft Baseball card release thing, He's like, who are
some really cheap guys that you kind of like? And like, dude,
Aaron Parker is like the cheapest hitter to take in
these breaks and stuff. And I'm like, dude, Parker for
twenty nine dollars or whatever it was, I'm like, dude,
take him, man. But yeah, that's funny. I'm glad you
went with Parker.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I don't know what any of that means, but Aaron, it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Means no card collectors think that Aaron Parker is any good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yes, yeah, I think a lot of real life people
think that too, and a lot of fantasy players think that.
But I don't know, man, those are rare, rare skills.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, that's true, all right, Last, but not least, the
evil Empire, right, that's not an empire, but the New
York Yankees looking at their arm farm. Yeah, Chase Hampton
twenty eight percent, Will Warren was twenty seven percent, Lani
nineteen percent, Brack Salvage five percent, several two percenters, and

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then like, yeah, then us, then where we dig around
one thing that's kind of interesting. Now I know their draft,
they seem to like really kind of reload. They took
a ton of pitchers in the first two days. I
think maybe all pictures the first two days maybe a
little bit older in the uppers. But I think it's
just also like a lot of good, tough competition, right,
tough to get developmental innings there. But I landed on

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a twenty twenty three undrafted free agent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Ooh, who did you go far?

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
I'm going with Trent Sellers and he's from He's from
Oregon State, So I didn't know if you were familiar
or that I am, And I'm not even sure. I
don't even know college if he was a starter or
reliever of what the story was, I didn't even look.
But there are some folks interested. He was one percent
rostered in September. He was twenty four, almost twenty five
years old. His last start, which was in High A.

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There was a Triple A appearance at some point this year,
but I think that was just a little brief deal
here in High A. Thirty one games, nine starts, eighty
two innings pitched. I think there was like some piggybacking
going on, you know, like we talked about an undrafted
free agent guy, but I think he maybe has started
to maybe he graduated from that sort of status you're

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talking at two point zero nine ERA, A point ninety
six whip, a three four five x fit, thirty point
three K percentage eleven and a half walk percentage. Ground
balls at almost forty nine percent, was a swinging strike
rate of ten point three percent according to Fangrass, through
strikes at a fifty nine percent clip on the season.

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But Matt, the way that he ended the season was
what got me, got me intrigued. His last thirty nine innings,
which was his last ten starts, This is when he
started starting point nine two ERA A point six y
nine whip, thirty four percent K percentage and just a
seven percent walk percentage. Through strikes at a sixty one

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percent clip. Still not quite the strike throwing that you
kind of want to see. Fifteen pitches an inning, gave
up one home run over that stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Pretty good, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Like not too bad. Fastball is probably ninety to ninety four.
There's a sinker, I think that might be just a
smidge softer. There's a cutter, so kind of three fastball guy,
change up and a slider, a nice firm slider at
like eighty six. I think the change up, I don't know,
was maybe around eighty four or something like that, but
that's a good velocity differential. I'll share a video here.

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What did that show? I think probably an inning of
his second inning of work after a leadoff walk versus
Greensboro in the playoffs. So at the very end of
the season, I thought he was just filthy dropping some
secondaries that we were just kind of giving these guys
no chance. Maybe a guy who's secondary game might be
a little bit stronger just as far as execution. But yeah,

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I don't know. Trent Sellers, man, I was just really
impressed with him down the stretch. Think, I don't know,
maybe there might be some more opportunity this season in
the uppers for a New York Yankee spec arm to
make some noise. And I wouldn't be surprised if Trent
Sellers is one of those guys or that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
So Sellers is a koug like me. He transferred a
couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
He started at Washington State, he.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Did, That's where I remembered him from, and he wasn't
very good there. And then bounced around to a junior
college and then an NAI school up here in the Northwest,
and then kind of figured it out at Lewis and
Clark and ended up at Oregon State, where he was
a starter for them and had a really nice year.
I don't know if I saw him that year, but
I remember following him a little bit. He does look
like a developmental success story to me, like he wasn't

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this good, certainly in college and even at Oregon State
when he took a step forward, I think that he
has looked much better. And I do think that this
is the Yankees developmental organization philosophy, that they take some
of these guys that maybe have some interesting traits and
then they kind of throw a lot of information at
them and see what sticks and see what changes they

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can make. And I think that's what that's what we're
seeing from Sellers, and interestingly, what we're also going to
talk about with my guy Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Just generically speaking, I feel like watching Yankees arms over
the last several years, like there's just breaking ball game
that just really takes off with a lot of guys.
There's I feel like them in like maybe like the
Strows or maybe the two that I two systems I
noticed the most that just kind of seemed to get
some good spin out of guys.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Yeah, well, Sellers is a fun developmental story and an
interesting one for sure. I think my guy has a
lot in common with yours. One long history in the
minor or. In college, Ben Shields started out at UMass
Amherst in twenty eighteen, got hurt in twenty nineteen, didn't

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pitch twenty twenty, covid ended the season early, pitched at
UMass again in twenty twenty one, had a good year,
but it was also shortened I think maybe by injury again.
Then transferred to George Mason in twenty twenty two, and
then played for George Mason again in twenty twenty three,
So if you're counting that, six seasons in college before

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he finally left and he didn't get drafted, but the
Yankees signed him as an undrafted free agent in like
late July. I think of twenty twenty three, he had
played on the Cape a couple of times, and I
think done decently well in his twenty twenty two stint there,
and so maybe he was on some radars from that.
He was good in college. Question Mark like he was

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mostly a reliever in especially towards the end of his career,
and went not a particularly good one at that, So
like totally unremarkable college career. Yankees saw something. I read
a long interview with him and his one of his
pitching coaches here in pro ball, and they talked a
lot about how he really absorbed a ton of information

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from when they drafted him, and they put him into
like the development one of the developmental teams, and I
think he just worked out with them a lot and
was working on stuff, and they shoved him into HIA
to start the year this year again in that piggybacking role.
He wasn't a starter, but he was going two or
three innings at a time. His first six outings, he
went maybe fifteen innings something like that, two to three

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outings at a time, or two to three innings each outing,
and struck out twenty eight walked eight point five four
ERA to start your pro career, Like hard to do
better than that to start, And he was clearly just
kind of too much for the South Atlantic League. I mean,
he was just like ripping through these guys and it

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kept going even when they started putting him in as
a starter. So after his first six appearances in relief,
I think they he started the rest of the year
more or less and just kept on doing the same thing.
Across all of his outings this year, he struck out
thirty one point one percent of batters, walked, seven point
five percent of batters three point four eight ERA and

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that includes a couple of like pretty big blow up
outings too that I'm going to talk about because one
of the things that really convinced me, like, I love
that line, I love the story. I watched a bit
of his low A starts and in Hudson Valley and
I was like, oh, this is pretty interesting. And I
watched a couple at Summerset and I was like, this
looks really really quite good. But we also have a

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triple A start. I love the stackcast data. I got
so into this guy because he in the triple A data.
We only have data on a couple of his pitches.
I think it was just four, and it was terrible.
In the outing. It was like, uh, let me find it,
because it was like it was like a miserably bad start.
So they called him up for one start against the

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Syracuse with the Mets. Triple A affiliate, and they started him.
He went one in two thirds innings seventeen batter's face,
gave up eight hits, nine runs, seven earned a homer,
and two walks and two hit by pitches. He got
a strike out in there, though, But that's awful, right,
terrible outing, And even with that outing, he's he's still

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his full season line was really really good. If you
take that outing out, his full season line was electric
because that was like the only time he was bad.
Get a couple of other like four run give up starts,
uh starts where he gave up four runs one or
two where he gave up three, But you look across
his game log, especially to end the year, it's like
zero runs, two runs, one runs zero zero zero one

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one three one three two two two two two one,
Like he's just not giving up runs in these starts.
And his arsenal is so cool because he's got a sinker,
which he uses a lot, a four seam fastball, which
is a different shaped pitch, like clearly a different look.
He has a gyro slider and a sweeper and a
curveball and a splitter and he uses all of those

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pitches like you watch him like use you see, you know,
when the catcher's calling pitches, like he's doing two finger
signs to try and tell him which pitch to call,
you know, so like it's not just one two three
or one two three four. They're doing like the l
for the four seam I think, and they were doing
the spinny fastball for the two seam. They were doing
like a hookham horns kind of thing for one of

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his other pitches. I don't even know what that one was,
but like he's clearly just got like a huge arsenal
and is trying all these different things.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Was that the splitter, the horns.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
It might have been, it might have been actually a
huge repertoire, and commanded them all well enough that like
he wasn't walking a lot of guys. He had a
couple of outings where he had four walks. Most of
them were two zero or one. So he's got a
deep repertoire commands it pretty well gets with. And we
had this stackcast data, and so I was so curious.

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I watched the start first and just like watched it
through you know, the inning and two thirds, and he
got super unlucky. You watch it a couple of pitches
that like could have gone either way. Maybe they could
have challenged it. Actually, I don't know if it was
a challenge there or not, but anyway that could have
gone either way on like strike threes early that I
thought maybe he got got screwed on a couple of
weird babbit that balls just found holes like it was

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just a supremely unlucky start. He also didn't look faced
at all. He just kept out going out there doing
his thing. But we also get the data on the
pitch shapes, and I was so into this guy at
this point that I spent like an hour and a
half recording every single pitch, the spin, the direction, the shape,
the movement, and then comping this to big leaguers. Okay,
so this guy, undrafted, free agent, unheralded zero percent when

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I looked, I don't think anybody. I'm not even sure
if he's owned in any of my leagues, and I
played in quite a few deep ones. But Shields fastball
is almost a dead ringer for Max Freeds in terms
of the run, the velocity, the release point. I think
his might be huch higher than Freed's, but other than that,
it looks just like Max Freed's, so that's interesting. The

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other fastballs that are in that same range are Scott
Ferguson and Patrick Sandoval I think is close. So, like,
you know, those guys are good in their own way,
but like, that's a fastball, that's a major league quality fastball,
right and he's averages like ninety three point six with it,
which is pretty good, or maybe it's a hair below that,
but it's like above ninety three for a lefty. That's

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pretty good. Then I looked at his slider. It was
unclear in the Triple A start, which was early in
the year in May, whether he was throwing the distinct
sweeper and gyro. I tend to think that this was
mostly the gyro slider that he was throwing and not
the sweepy one that he used later on in the year.
But also comps almost directly with Max Fried's in terms

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of velocity and movement profile horizontal and vertical. So like
you've got a Max Freed starter kit, and it's not
really that much of a coincidence. Maybe that they just
signed the Yankees just signed Max Freed too, and Shields
might have his like doppelganger there. But then he also
adds a whole bunch of other pitches too. So I'm
not saying that Ben Shields is better than Max Freed.

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Max Freed is so long track record of extremely good
success in the major leagues, but I'm saying that his
stuff comps almost exactly too Max freedz so Benshields dominated
the minor leagues. The stuff looks just like an ACE
that just got paid an absurd amount of money and
he's zero percent owned, So the stuff seems there. The

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results are there. It came out of freaking nowhere. But
like this is kind of a sound the alarm kind
of thing on this guy. I don't know what else
you would want to see from a B sider guy,
Like he's He's probably in my top three B side
arms that I'm most excited about, has a real shot
to just be like the most successful out of them.
The depth of the arsenal, the quality of the stuff

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that like, I don't know, this is the thing, Like
people get hung up on the guy touching ninety nine,
but like you don't care when a guy looks just
like an ace, Like this stuff backball slider looks just
like Max Freed, and you're like oh, but it's ninety three,
you know, slider, Like come on, Like, this is why
I love comps, and I think that people don't use

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them because either they don't know like what, they don't
have that context, they don't have that the right pull
the right person to compare them to, or they don't
use him in the right way. And I credit Jeff Zimmermann,
who writes on fangrafts a lot, like he built a
tool to compare pitch types to major league pitchers to
see like how similar or what are the fastballs that

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look like this? What are the change ups that look
like this? And that's been a really helpful thing for
me to help gut check when I look at a
guy and have access to that kind of data, like
is that pitch actually going to play? Like? How good
is that? What does it look like? Was that pitch
also good? For all of the data that I could
find for Ben Shields, pitches, all of them comp to sliders,
to fastballs, to curveballs that look really good and we

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would want to see that all in one pitcher. So
I'm honestly as excited about Ben Shields as anybody. And
that's absolutely nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
That's a good dig they got me more so he
was third on my list here, but I was not
thinking about him in this context at all. Also, that's
good stuff. I just want to put a pin on
one other name. I don't know if you watched any
Allen Facundo, Kundo, I'm at Adio. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
I may have watched a little bit, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
He was twenty one years old, he was in single
A just kind of a bigger, harder throwing lefty that
I just was like into the execution and pitchability that
he was showing. But I'm assuming Tommy John struck because
he went on the full season in June and never
saw him again. So I didn't want to like that
might have been my choice here, but I just wanted

(01:36:35):
to give that name a shout to see, keep an
eye out when he comes back what he might look like,
because I was kind of getting into Facundo too. But yeah,
Ben Shields, I don't make me. You make me want
to go watch him again.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Now, dude, I highly recommend it. It's so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
I was into it. I didn't take a lot of notes,
but he was up here.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a fun look like he's
He's one that really really pressed and doing it up
at double A and high A from like nowhere. It
was impressive stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Yeah, and I'm still I want to see Tyrone Nulie,
my pick from last year, come back from his Timmy John.
I don't think he didn't pitch at all this last year,
which has been my theme with the Yankees B side arms, Matt.
I pick a guy and they have Tommy John don't
even pitch. Hopefully that doesn't happen with Trent Sellers here,
hopefully not. But I was I had on my short

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list to Gabrielle Barbosa, who I saw I got taken
into the minor league portion of draft. Today, let's move
to the bats man. I'll let you go first with
the Yankees bats.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
All right, My Yankees bat is a fun one. I
did like quite a few of these guys. I thought
there were quite a few interesting ones that were worth
looking at. You know, my boy Durbin, we have talked
about ad nauseum. I'm excited for him to get a shot,
and I hope he really succeeds next year. He I
think could be a real fun spark plug for those

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boring ass Yankees and but the the bat that I
lendsed on, I'm actually pretty interested in. You know, the
Yankees over the past couple of years have had a
real catching pipeline, Like they have developed so many catchers
that have gone on to either be good or moved
off the position, but are still like pretty good catchers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
They got good stuff for them in trades.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Or they got good stuff for them in trades exactly.
And there were a couple of that I was looking
at here. You know, Raphael Flores, I think he might
be a touch over our roster percentages, but he was one.
He was one percent, so I was looking at him too,
and thought that might be an interesting one catcher. Looks
like he can catch, like had some things that I
really like. I watched quite a bit of him at

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Somerset and thought he looked pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Rodriguez was also still only one percent September, which I
was kind of surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
And that's my guy. Yeah, they added him to the
forty man. He's played a bunch of different positions, so
again there's some of this utility here. But I watching
him hit, I love it. It's so goofy. The setup
he like points his left elbow directly at the pitcher
in this weird ass setup. He's got like the Marcelo Zuna,
like really pigeon toed leg in. But he's a huge dude,

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and he's when he swings all of that stuff, all
of those like weird ticks that I kind of love
from an asthetic perspective. When he lifts this leg, it's
so smooth and he is coiled, and then his hands
are so fast. He's just like so short for a
pretty big guy. He's so short and direct to the ball.
It's no wonder that the dude ran a fourteen point

(01:39:27):
seven percent strikeout rate that is elite. That is so good.
I mean it's not like quite Caleb Durban elite, but
it is damn close. And considering that he popped ten homers,
fifteen doubles, and four triples in three hundred and thirty
three plate appearances this year, I think this guy is
a real hitter and is like major league quality maybe

(01:39:48):
right now. And if he can play catcher, which I'm
not sure of. You know, they moved him around a lot,
I think partly because they aren't convinced he's a good
catcher and they're seeing they think his bat might be
able to play, and so they're seeing, like, can he
play some of these other positions. He's played some third,
has a pretty good arm, he's played some first played
some left. Yeah, you know, he's bounced around. But I
think that the Yankees are looking at him like this

(01:40:10):
guy's gonna hit. He might be a super utility or
maybe maybe their catching development continues and he could be
a catcher as well. So Hayes dis Rodriguez is my guy.
I think he's gonna be really good. And I was
I was pumped to see the Yankees take him and
put him on the forty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
I think I was thinking about him myself. I was
also thinking about first year player Guy Brendon Jones. I
don't know if you watch Oh yeah I did from
k State. He had a nice intro. W Yeah, yeah.
I just kind of decided to go with my guy.
Like I was like, I'm not really sure if he's
a major leaguer necessarily, but I did talk to a

(01:40:47):
scout that was like, he's the kind of guy somehow,
some way, we're gonna see him in the big leagues.
And that's rock Regio. This dude is just so much
fun to watch you scrolled, go to his MiLB dot
com page, scroll down to his highlights, and it's just
like one after another. He made maybe the greatest defensive

(01:41:09):
play at shortstop I have ever seen. Most ridiculous play.
He runs out to centerfield and his short fly ball
makes the catch, falls over the centerfielder. I think he
got hurt on that play too and missed some time,
and then just blindly throws the ball over his head
to get the guy at the second at second base
who needed to tag up, like it was just ridiculous.
But and there he steals home. And he's hitting walk

(01:41:30):
off hits all the times, like his WPA is probably high.
I feel like even though even though his you know,
season stat line is is not super overwhelming here two
twenty one, three forty nine, three ninety seven slash and
high a four hundred and eighty played appearances. He was
their fourth round pick out Oklahoma State in twenty twenty three.

(01:41:50):
Not a real big guy who listened at five to nine,
did hit eleven home runs, He did steal twenty seven bases.
That was a one hundred and seventeen WRC plus and
delli strikeout. You know, guy walks a lot fourteen point
eight percent, struck out twenty percent. You know, you don't
hate to see that. I don't know how much major
league impact is necessarily in the bat. I don't even

(01:42:12):
know what the realistic chances of him being a big leader.
But this guy is just a gamer man and he's
just like one of my favorite as a fan of baseball,
just one of my favorite, if not my favorite minor
leader to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yeah, I love that pick and I love the shout
to the defense too. Like these kinds of guys, Yeah,
I think we're talking about they get underrated in this
kind of thing because one, it's a lot harder for
us to evaluate unless you really are watching a guy
a lot, and two that doesn't show up on the
stat sheet. But that's a thing that major league teams
really care about. We just started with under him and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Reminds me of another one of my favorite minor leaders
over the last several years, like Hunter stovall the Rockies.
But I think Rigio is like a little bit more talented. Yeah,
and you know, one thing I got to give the
Yankees credit for is that for all the uh, you know,
resources scouting and all the wise guys stuff that they
put into their scouting whatever, they still make room and

(01:43:07):
draft guys like this, Like they will get guys that
are just gamers, many good ballplayers. They might not scream
out on the spreadsheets or whatever they're looking at, but
like they do value that and they do have a
slew of guys that are just like fucking ballplayers, man,
good baseball players, heads and just the winners. Man. I
think he falls into that category for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Yeah, I like that pick. I like that shouty to
end it on a couple of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Any rocks cheaters number, but yeah, that'll do it, I guess,
huh or the al these twenty five B side calls.
We didn't double up on anybody, so we had twenty
guys here, huh.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Yeah, I mean we we had a few co signs
I think in there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
But there's there's a lot of your picks that were legit,
like number two on my lists, so that that's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Yeah, and the same same same of yours on mine,
Like that they were right there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
We have one left. We'll do the al centroll next
time we record. Looking forward to that one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Some good fun guys. Yeah, that's that's a fun organ,
fun fun group too.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Yeah, again. I'll post videos of these guys when when
this pett when this recording drops on Twitter at pitching specs,
you can see some of the stuff we're trying to
talk about here. Well, we'll let Chicago Farmer take us
out and we'll talk to you next time. See ya.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Ninety five miles an hour riding to his head.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
You hop it down.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
First with the lump bonius face, and on the very
next pitch he up and stove second face.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
With greatst speed. He wasn't born. He had yes, uniforn

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