9 Red Flags of False Spiritual Teachers (2019)

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so our topic for today is nine red Flags of
false spiritual Teachers and this is a juicy one. I
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Speaker 1 (05:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
So now let's jump right into our stuff. Do grab
a pen and paper. Okay, So I want to start
off by explaining that our topic nine red Flags of
false spiritual Teachers. I'm gonna be talking about patterns, and
this video is not in any way about any specific teacher.

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I'm not gonna be like bitching about certain well known
teachers or not so well known teachers or anything like that.
That's if you've been following me for a while, you
know that's not how I roll anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
It's about.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Understanding, and it's about understanding patterns so that you can
develop a better discernment for yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm not creating this video for me, creating it for.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
You, because you know, I don't want to I see
people struggling to find the right teachers.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, there's a million teachers out there in the world, and.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Some of them are very beneficial, some of them are
kind of like so so, and some of them are
really intentionally not coming from a good place. And so
I see people struggling where they are not sure who.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
To trust, you know. And there are lots of people.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Who've come to me over the years with questions and
confusion because they've gotten sucked in and involved with a
teacher or teachers that were not really beneficial. And I've
had some of my own experiences in the past as well,
and that's from all of that I've made all of
these observations. So these observations, these patterns that I'm going

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to talk about are from my own first hand experiences,
also from working with clients and observing the experience that
they've had, and also observing situations in my own community
and the communities of many of my colleagues. So these
are pretty common patterns. These are red flags that you

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will want to watch out for so that you can
avoid working with those kinds of people. Now, I kind
of hemmed in hot a little bit when I was
writing the title nine red flags of false spiritual teachers.
False spiritual teachers implies that they're like intentionally one hundred

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percent totally not even a genuine teacher.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
They're completely.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
You know, it's a complete facade, and they're completely false.
But as with anything in the world, a lot of
things are not always so black and white. So some
of the patterns that I'm going to talk about might
fit in with you know, the many teachers out there
that maybe I wouldn't call them a false teacher, but

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that they're really doing some things, maybe unintentionally, that are
harmful to their students and to the people around them.
So sometimes there are spiritual teachers that just haven't done
enough of their personal work to and so things are

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really messy, and so I would call those teachers perhaps
non beneficial teachers.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Rather than false spiritual teachers.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
But really the point is you want to be able
to discern who is the right fit for you and
who isn't, rather than pigeonholing, and you know, like labeling
that person is false and that person isn't.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Life isn't that black and white. But I can't.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
But with that being said, I can tell you that
there are definitely false spiritual teachers on the planet who
are intentionally they they don't even believe the things that
they're teaching. It's all about manipulation and power and control.
So let's start off by talking about the why, and

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then we'll get into our nine things. And as usual,
I have so much stuff I want to talk about,
so many points, so pardon me for looking at my notes.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
So the why?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Why would there what would motivate someone to be a
false spiritual teacher in the first place.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
And they might.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Be aware of these whys or unaware and just not
not really that evolved enough to even be self aware
of these things.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
But why.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
For their personal power? It gives them a feeling of
personal power ego for the money for because there are
tons of spiritual teachers out there who their whole mo
is to gather followers that they can then have a
good choice of targets. Whether it's a male teacher, a

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female teacher, doesn't matter, whatever their sexual preference happens to be,
they will target people of that gender and then they
have a whole choice of people they can manipulate into
sexual relationships. Also, another why could be that they are

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acting out their own unhealed shadow, so they're just not
a very self aware person.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
There are other people, and I'm going to add this,
I don't have this on my.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
List, there are other people where, rather than acting out
their unhealed shadow, where they are really very unaware, not
very self aware, there are other people who are very.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Aware of what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
And they might be a sociopath or a narcissist or
even a psychopath, and they are intentionally knowingly taking on
this role as spiritual teacher in order to manipulate and
have power and ego and fame and all of that.
So there's a lot of different reasons why these things happen. Okay,

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And so before we go into our nine red flags,
just to point out that there's a difference between a
spiritual teacher who's perhaps just a not a match for
you personality wise, versus red flags like someone.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Who is really not beneficial.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
And either way, the idea is you want to be
able to discern who's for you. Okay, So number one,
grab your pen and paper. So actually we've got nine
that we're going through. And the first five I categorize
as interpersonal red flags, and the last four are what

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I categorize as spiritual red flags. So we're gonna start
with the interpersonal ones. Number One, they don't I'm just
checking the time. They don't walk their talk. They will
have the do as I say, not as I do
kind of.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Attitude.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I've actually had spiritual teachers literally say that to me,
and that's a red flag.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It just means that something isn't quite right if they're
they're teaching certain spiritual concepts and or certain interpersonal concepts
or lifestyle concepts or whatever. Maybe they are teaching that
you have to be ultra pure with everything that you
put into your body. And then you you know, and

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they shame anybody who eats meat, and then you walk
in on them unexpectedly and they're eating like a big
mac or something like that like that, that's a huge
red flag. Okay, they're not walking their talk. And by
the way, I mentioned shame. There's gonna be some crossover
in some of these on the list, and you'll see

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what I mean. Number two, you may witness them being
verbally abusive or manipulative with their students, followers, clients, et cetera.
And so here's some examples. They might have a habit

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of interrupting and talking over there whoever it is that
they're teaching. Now, I think we all do this times
to some extent. I got together with a long term,
longtime friend the other day and we were so excited
to talk to each other and to share what was

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on our mind that we were kind of interrupting each other.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
And we even mentioned it and she said, oh, I'm
so sorry. I said, no, no, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like that's sometimes if there's a comfort level that's normal
between certain people.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
But I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I'm talking about like they basically like bowl you over
you try to say anything. I've actually seen videos. There's
a particular spiritual teacher the i'm not gonna say who
it is, happens to be a he. He will just
talk over if people just talk over somebody, it's like

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it's just it's over overpowering kind of thing. Some spiritual
teachers will be rate their followers, their students. Sometimes there's
name calling. Sometimes they can be either outright mean or
passive aggressive. And so these are all different ways that

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abusive behaviors can come out. And that's in that's item
number two on our list. Abusive or manipulative so then
we get into like the sociopathic, narcissist, psychopathic kind of personality.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Disorders.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
And so there are quite a few false spiritual teachers
who fall into those kinds of behavioral patterns. So if
you're not familiar with those behavioral patterns, you might go
ahead and just do a Google search.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I won't be able to go into all of the explanation.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Of those, but do a Google search for sociopaths, psychopath,
narcissist and look at some of those behaviors, and there
are certain characteristics.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Now, one thing to understand with number two here, with
the abuse or manipulation, is that many times they won't
do it to all of their followers. They will do
it to just some. They will select the ones that
perhaps are more vulnerable or are the ones that they
for whatever reason want to target, so that the rest

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of the people get treated just fine. And so when
the few people who are being abused speak up, no
one else believes it.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's one scenario.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Another scenario is that the spiritual teacher is just an
asshole to everybody or to the people who are assisting
them behind the scenes. I know of a spiritual teacher
who was terrible. I don't know what he's doing now,
but he was just utterly terrible to the people that
were his assistants behind this scenes.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
By the way, as.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm going, if anything resonates for you, and as usual,
we're not giving any identifying information about any particular teachers
or healers or et cetera. But if you'd like to
commiserate or share anything, feel free or ask questions.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay. So going on to number three, they.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Have poor personal boundaries. Okay, this is a really important one.
This is a huge red flag that a lot of
people don't understand, and it is a bit it's like
a gateway of how they get sucked in.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So poor poor personal boundaries.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
By that, I mean that you go to their spiritual
class and they are buddies and best friends with all
their students and maybe they're even dating one of their
students or more than one of their students. And the
culture and actually this is one of the next ones

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on the list, is like a group think. The culture
the teacher has has set the example and has taught
that that's normal and that's okay, and so no one
even It's like if you're a fish swimming in water.
Do you even know what water is? Like it's just

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all around you, so you don't even know to look
for it, and it's kind of the same thing. That's
how it felt for me. There was a teacher that
I was taking classes from happened to be a female teacher,
so this was not I was not targeted because her
targets were men. And she would talk openly about how

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about sleeping with people and about how her mentor slept
with her, and and everybody was like, oh, yeah, whatever,
you know, it was like normal, and no one even
it didn't even occur to anyone to question it. Because
when we see someone as an authority, we tend in
our culture we're trained to just take whatever the authority

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says as like Bible truth or like that's just how
it is.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
And so we need to understand that that's part.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Of being a false spiritual teacher, or at the very
least very unhealthy spiritual teacher, is these poor boundaries. Now
this can there's some wiggle room here, And I just
want to explain how I do things because I am

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I'm a spiritual teacher, and I've been so for many years,
and over the years I have figured out what works
for me, and I am very friendly and personable with
my students, but I don't go and hang out with them,
like we don't go out to the movies. We don't

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like there's there's a certain boundary. There's a professional boundary,
and I'm not like date, Like someone shows up for
a class and I ask them out on a day.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
No, that's never going to happen.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's unethical, and that's a breach of professional boundaries and
personal boundaries too. For me, I've chosen over the years
that if someone has been a student for a long time,
and maybe they've even graduated from everything, then I might say, hey,
let's go get a cup of coffee and and that

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sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
So that's what I've chosen there.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
But the extreme that I'm talking about is like there's
just no, there's no boundaries. Like for me in my situation,
it's very intentionally thought out as to what is most
beneficial and ethical for my relationship with my students. Intentional, Okay,
it's grounded, a grounded approach, rather than that the intent

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is to manipulate, right, And yeah, so there's a toxic
environment there, so does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
There are.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Some spiritual spiritual spiritual teachers who are also sexual predators
that I have encountered, and one of their tactics has
been to have no boundaries at all, no personal boundaries.
So that literally like they're hanging out with all their
students all the time and then they're having sex with

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random students and it's just really a mess.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, so that's a red flag. Let's see here. Number four.
They encourage.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
They encourage group think, which ends up creating like a
cult like dynamic where people like the whole group just
kind of goes along with whatever the teacher says. The
opposite of that is, like, I'll use myself as an
example again, I encourage and applaud my students to think

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for themselves and question everything. Like, I'm not going to
be offended, I'm not gonna shame someone for asking questions.
But a false spiritual teacher, if someone starts to think
independently or question something or think outside the box, the
false spiritual teacher is going to shun and shame that

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person and even encourage the other members to shun and
shame that person as well.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Number five, The false spiritual teacher will often be projecting
their own garbage onto other people. So they the false
spiritual teacher. So this is number five. They are either
they're very unaware, they're very they're not self aware, so

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they don't even know what their unhealed shadow stuff is
and they're just projectile vomiting it out into their group
and it's creating.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Like a whole mess of drama.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Or they are aware, fully aware of their inner shadow
and they are a sociopath or psychopath, et cetera, and
they're intentionally just spewing their stuff out onto other people.
So again we want to be discerning that everybody's working on.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Their shadow stuff. By shadows, I mean like.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Unresolved wounds, emotional wounds, past traumas, false limiting beliefs, like
all that junk that we're working on. Well, if you're
in my group here, you're probably somebody who is working
on your personal transformation and.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's important to you.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I tend to attract people like that because I'm very
passionate about it as well.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
But a false spiritual teacher.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Is not working on their own junk at all. They're
pointing it out in other people all the time. They're
pointing it out in their students and their followers all
the time, but they're not even they're totally blind to
their own stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, Now, as.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm talking through this, I'm like, there's probably a zillion
other things that we could add to this list. And actually,
if there's any other interpersonal things that I have not included,
please add them. The more, the more the more we
can share this information, the more we can help people
to develop their discernment and not get sucked into these

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kinds of issues. Okay, so those are the interpersonal red flags.
Now let's talk about the spiritual red flags. And that's
where it gets I think a little bit creepy. So
for those of you who don't know me, I do.
I've been an energy healer for many many years. I'm

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also a clairvoyant and Claire audience and Claire sentient, like
I can see energy here, hear it, feel it, and
all the Claires. So I'm coming from this perspective as
I share this with you. And I also my specialty
is helping people who are experiencing unwanted.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Negative spiritual interference.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, so with my psychic skills and my knowledge, I
see people that are dealing with spiritual teachers that not
only have these interpersonal problems, but I see really kind
of creepy spiritual stuff happening too.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Just prefacing that because some of this stuff is a
little weird if you're new to my work. Okay, so
number let's see, we're at number six, all right, So
number six is not too weird. Number six is kind
of a combination of interpersonal and spiritual together, and number
six is spiritual bypassing.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
They do it, and they teach it.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
So I could do a whole video on spiritual bypassing,
and I already have. It's been a few years, but
I should do one another one. But anyway, spiritual bypassing
is the practice of using spiritual philosophies, ideas, platitudes, practices,

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et cetera to avoid the authentic human experience. Okay, So
spiritual bypassing would be like using techniques and practices to
check out, to numb yourself to avoid it. It's an

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avoidance strategy. So there are a lot of practices and
philosophies and ideas that are actually very valid and that
are good in and of themselves, but when they are
overutilized or over applied or applied in distorted ways. Then

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then they can become problematic and then they would be
considered spiritual bypassing. So an example of spiritual bypassing is
the what I call the false positivity movement where let's
say you're working with a spiritual teacher and they ask
you how you're doing and you say, oh, I'm not

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feeling well today, or oh I'm a little bit down
or whatever, and then they and now again, we're gonna
we're gonna combine some things on the list. They're gonna
shame you. So there's some shaming happening from number two
on our list. But then they're gonna incorporate spiritual bypassing.
They're gonna say, cancel, clear, delete, You're not supposed to

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say anything negative because if you say anything negative, it
causes it to causes it to increase in your life.
So that's an example of spiritual bypassing. Rather than that
teacher being able to be present and grounded and and
there holding space with that person, there's immediate spiritual bypassing.

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That spiritual teacher doesn't feel comfortable with holding space with
someone's pain, and.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
So they need to shame them for it.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Now, I just want to say, like, right, now, spiritual
bypassing spirituality is really popular and although people are finally
starting to wake up, but I would say that then
right now, and this is twenty nineteen, the second half
of twenty nineteen, right now at this point, those kinds

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of practices like meditating for hours and hours so that
you can check out and go out into out, spend
your time out and outer space rather than embodying your body,
and the false positivity shaming about anything negative in your life,
all of that, those are very popular in New age

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and alternative spirituality.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
But people are starting to wake up.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
So there are a lot of very well meaning spiritual
teachers out there that do that, do and teach a
ton of spiritual bypassing because they just don't know any better.
They haven't figured it out yet. So that's one of
those that it could be a red flag, or it

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could just be an indicator that that person maybe isn't
the right fit for you, and you would prefer to
work with someone who has a more grounded approach. So
that's number six. Spiritual bypassing. They do it, they teach
it in their philosophies, and they encourage their students to
do it as well. And then if you don't, then
you're shamed and shunned. Number seven, here's where we get

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into the creepy stuff, you guys. Number seven is brainwashing.
There are so those spiritual teachers that are definitely false
spiritual teachers.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
They are intentionally causing harm.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Okay, they will often have techniques of brainwashing their followers. Now,
your mind might be thinking of, like, you know, drinking
the kool aid and stuff like that, But the brainwashing
is a lot more common than you might imagine, and
it's actually utilized quite a lot with some even world renowned,

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beloved spiritual teachers.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
And again I'm not gonna I'm not gonna name any names.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
But there are those who have, for example, studied NLP,
which is neuro linguistic programming, and like with with many
different personal development and spiritual practices, NLP.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Can be used for good or it can be used
for evil.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
And there are spiritual teachers out there who use NLP
as in a similar way to how a salesperson would
use it in order to manipulate the person to Somebody
was giving me an example earlier today, like if a
person was trying to sell you a car, and there's

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a certain way that they lead the conversation. That the
point being that it's to manipulate you to to take
the action that they want you to take. Okay, And
there are people who study this technique. They they In fact,
I was doing some research for today's class and one
of the websites claimed that it's an ethical way of

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guiding a conversation in the direction that you want. And
I was like ethical, that seems manipulative to me. So yeah,
So there are various different mind control techniques or manipulation techniques.
One another example aside from the misuse of NLP techniques.

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And I say misuse because I'm sure there are people,
maybe there's people who watch this video right now who
use NLP and it has been helpful, for helpful for you.
I'm talking about a misuse of NLP or an unethical
use of it. But aside from using NLP, there's also

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a very very common approach. This is still number seven
with brainwashing. The approach is to create some kind of
an activity or a practice or whatever, whether it's some
kind of like sound healing or chanting or fasting or

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and all of those can be good things, right, all
of those can be fine. But the teacher is intentionally
using those practices to get all the person or the
whole group, whether it's an individual or group activity, to
get all of them into either a blissed out state,
an altered.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
State, or just exhausted.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Maybe they've been fasting for a long time, or they're
having them go without sleep or what have you. So
they get them so that they are mentally, emotionally and
energetically vibrationally vulnerable, and that is when they hone in
and do their manipulations. Okay, So that's very common, very common.

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So they will get their followers into a dissociative, blissed
out state, or some other vulnerable state, and.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's when they hone in.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Okay, So I'm lumping that into the brainwashing slash intentional manipulation. Okay,
that's number seven. Where are we on my list? Number eight?
Poor spiritual boundaries. So we talked about poor personal boundaries

(35:22):
and poor professional boundaries, but by poor spiritual boundaries, I
mean that they will do practices like encouraging you to
combine your energy with theirs. So they'll say, oh, let's
do this practice together, and they will sit down and
you'll do eye gazing, which is where you stare lovingly

(35:46):
into each other's eyes and then they say, let's do
this breathing technique where we're combining and we're activating our
Kundalini energy and I breathe in and send you my
energy and then you breathe in my You know, there's
all these different, you know, very wonderful spiritual practices, some
of which are drawn from from TNTRA, which can be

(36:09):
really wonderful practices if utilized within the right context.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Uh for example, within.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
A consensual relationship that's not between teacher and student but
too consenting adults, those practices can be really wonderful heart.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Connecting kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I had a spiritual teacher who attempted to connect our
heart chakras without asking my consent, and that really pissed
me off. I don't feel this person is like to
the point of being a false spiritual teacher, but I
felt like that was very that was that was not

(36:57):
very ethical and it was misguided and I did not
appreciate it at all. And so anytime they try to
combine their energy with yours or they try to access there,
they try to access your energy without your consent. Let's

(37:18):
say they call you up or you see them and
they say, oh, hey, I was I checked on checked
on your energy yesterday and this, that and the other. Well,
you didn't give your consent. That is a lack of
spiritual boundaries. There's another example that I've seen a lot
and uh there for some reason.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I've seen it with.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Dark shamanic practitioners where they will ask for travel and
visit their targeted student slash follower at night when they're sleeping,
and do various things.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
And and the thing.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is is sometimes it'll be with consent and sometimes so
all of this that I'm describing here sometimes will be
with or without your consent. But the thing is is
sometimes they will try to get your consent because then
that sort of like makes it okay, or that they
can say they can manipulate later and say, well, well,

(38:21):
you gave your consent. The thing is is that they
should not be combining their energy with yours. They should
not be messing with you in that way. And if
they're trying to get you to give your consent, a
lot of times they're depending on people just not knowing
any better. And because in general, in the spiritual community,

(38:44):
boundaries and discernment are not really encouraged. They're kind of
discouraged actually, So a lot of spiritual seekers just they'll
just agree. And in our society in general, like I
mentioned before, for we've been trained since we were little
to just do whatever the authority figure says. So if

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they say, well, it's in your best interest too, you know,
for us to exchange energy or for me to you know,
connect with your astral body or whatever, uh, then a
lot of spiritual seekers will be like, okay, Uh, they
just don't know any better. And along with the poor
spiritual boundaries, you know, that combines with poor personal boundaries

(39:32):
as well, because there are a lot of false spiritual
teachers who will say this is so common.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
They will say, uh, well, your your sacral chakra, that's
that's in the area of your sex or sex organs.
Your sacral chakra is blocked and the only way to
clear it.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Is to have sex with me. And uh.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Then the spiritual follower who's like already so sucked in
and they're being manipulated like crazy, they are like, okay,
I mean, it sounds crazy that anyone would even agree
to that, But you have to put yourself in the
context and you may be able to relate to this
that if you've gotten hooked in with a false spiritual teacher,

(40:15):
they're so manipulative and often they're extremely charismatic, and you
also start to question yourself because everybody else seems to
be okay with all of it.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So it might seem like.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Really crazy that anyone would would fall for that, But
if you put yourself in that context and just imagine it,
it doesn't seem so crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
It seems like, you know, it could be you, It
could be you. And so that's why we're going over
these things.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Okay, So that's number eight. That's poor spiritual boundaries. Oh
the other thing I didn't mention is I talked about
astral travel and everything. But sometimes they will even do
energy work on you without your consent. So they will
either do like they'll try to access psychically. They'll they'll

(41:08):
try to do a psychic reading without your consent. They'll
try to look and see what you're up to, what's
going on with you, So that's that's more of a
psychic read, or they will try to mess with your energy.
They'll they'll say that they're doing an energy healing session
or clearing your energy or whatever, and and you didn't.

(41:30):
It's not a not a it's not a scheduled client session. There,
they just did it without asking for consent. Now, I
do want to throw in something and I think that,
uh so I talked about the about there are dark
practitioners that will astra travel and mess with people at night.

(41:54):
There's been something that has happened to me a few times,
and it's that it hasn't happened in a while, but
that every once in a while I will meet someone,
or I will meet back up with someone that I
already knew and they or they'll message me or whatever
and they'll say, I had a dream about you, Maya.

(42:15):
You came into my dream and you saved me from
this you know, negative spiritual entity.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Or or whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And I'd be like, wow, thank you for sharing that
with me. Now, I did not knowingly do that. I
do think that our I do think that we astrall travel,
and that we all travel and we do sacred work
that our conscious mind is not choosing to do. So

(42:50):
if that's ever happened to you, I it's you know,
unless we've agreed upon it ahead of time, then I'm
not going to conscio knowingly do that. So that is
something that that does happen. I'm sure it happens with
other spiritual teachers as well. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about, you know, someone intentionally is not having

(43:15):
their intentionally practicing very very poor spiritual boundaries. Now I
saved number nine for last the the I think the
creepiest one, which anyway.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
So number nine is that if.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
You try to pull away from them, if you if
you suddenly realize, oh, this person is not a good
fit for me, and you try to pull away, or
you try to disengage, or you start to speak up
or set boundaries or et cetera.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Uh, they some of.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
These false spiritual teachers will psychically attack their.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
The person.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
So they and actually what I wrote down was they
will psychically and or personally attack the person. So by
personally I mean they will create an environment of shunning
within their group, so like none of the other members

(44:20):
will speak to you anymore. Then this also goes back
and combines back with some of the things in the
abuse and manipulation. There might be gaslighting, which is where
they try to make you look like you're crazy, and
that you're making it all up in order to be
able to make it look like they're innocent. But the

(44:43):
psychic attack kind of issue that gets pretty pretty creepy
because if a person has knowledge, if the teacher has
knowledge in how to psychically attack a person, then they
may begin into astral travel and mess with the person

(45:06):
when they're asleep. Whereas, like in the previous example that
I was giving, the teacher might be like astral traveling
and connecting energy cords or doing little manipulations in number nine.
What I'm talking about with the psychic attack is that
the spiritual teacher will will be actively trying to harm

(45:29):
the person. So they'll be you know, trying to activate nightmares,
negative thought loops. They might even send negative entities to
that person, other aspects of psychic attack, creating bad luck

(45:51):
for the person, just all sorts.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Of scary stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Now, that won't happen with everyone, with every false teacher.
It would require that the person has some knowledge in
the dark arts. But even people who are not that powerful,
who don't have that kind of occult knowledge. I've actually
seen false spiritual teachers who didn't have that level of

(46:17):
occult knowledge. But when someone disagreed with them, and they
wanted them out of their class. They would send such
focused negative intent and negative emotion and negative thought that
the person would feel like bombarded. They would feel like
they were under psychic attack. And then they would contact

(46:39):
me and say, what.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Is going on? I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I just keep crying and I just feel like bombarded
by this negative energy. And so, and then we tie
back into item number five. The one scenario that I'm
thinking of, this particular female spiritual teacher was so unaware
of her own shadow and her own stuff that she

(47:04):
was so busy projecting it onto other people, and it
was creating all this drama, and if anyone ever spoke up,
she would psychically attack them. Now that I was actually
thinking about how this happened to a couple of that
a couple of colleagues were on the receiving end of this.
But then I suddenly remembered that I had it happened

(47:27):
to me too. I showed up at that particular healing center,
and like if daggers could be flying out of somebody's eyeballs,
they were flying out of hers.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Because I had, just like in a friendly way, had
questioned something that.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
She was doing. I didn't mean anything by it. So
that's an example of psychic attack, right.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And then in that particular example, it was someone who
was just unaware of their own shadow aspect and they
were just spewing.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It onto other people.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So as you can a lot of these items kind
of cross each other and let me think, Okay, so
we've got all nine items.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Do you have any questions?

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I have a few other things here, okay, So as
I look to see if we have any as I
wait for questions, I had a couple of other things
written down.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
These are just tips on staying in a.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Safe, grounded energy as you move forward and using your discernment.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
So number one is be aware.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Of a tendency that you may have to abdicate your power,
to give your power away, to look towards authority figures.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
For the answers.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Okay, we don't know everything, so like that's what teachers
are for. We can go connect with someone for guidance.
That's probably why you're watching this video is to get ideas, okay,
but stay grounded in your own truth. So focus on

(49:17):
connecting with your own inner guidance, and please don't ever
look toward another spiritual teacher, toward another person a spiritual
teacher for to be the be all and all of Like,
all of your guidance, you get them from you know that.

(49:37):
Don't don't do not give your power away. Okay, your
power is within you, and you may connect with some
people who have some knowledge that you don't have in
order to acquire that knowledge. But even then, you want
to stay grounded in your own truth, take in what resonates,

(49:57):
and leave the rest. Okay, don't ever abdicate your power
to other people. Also, your task is to keep working
on your own stuff. The more that you work on
your unresolved trauma's, false limiting beliefs, et cetera, et cetera,
the less vulnerable you are, the less susceptible you are

(50:21):
to getting hooked in with.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
A false spiritual teacher.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
So if you have a background of trauma or abuse
or being victimized, then that can make you a match
for attracting that kind of spiritual teacher. And I'm definitely
not saying.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
That it is your fault. I fit into that scenario.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I've had a lot of past abuse, in past trauma,
So I say that I say this from that perspective,
that it's important that you understand that that that's how
that works. And I think nowadays we all know that
children who've grown up in abusive households will often then

(51:12):
go on to adulthood and get into relationships that are
abusive until they heal that aspect of themselves and then
they're able to find, you know, a healthier partner or
healthier friendships, et cetera. So it's the same thing with
our spiritual teachers.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Okay, and.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I think okay, and then also, so let me just
tie this up by saying that the things that you
want to look for in a spiritual teacher are that
I'm going to add to my list here, are that
they are grounded, that they're not existing out they're in

(52:00):
la la land. Spiritual stuff is great, but they also
need to be grounded and centered. So my hope is
that you would look for a spiritual teacher who is
grounded and that helps to balance all of their spiritual
or esoteric knowledge. Okay, So they should be an anchored person.

(52:22):
They should also be knowledgeable, so you know, it would
not be a good idea to work with somebody who
really doesn't even know.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
What they're talking about. That's a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
There are some people who will read a book on
something and then they think they're an expert, and so
you want to find out what the person's background is
and just make sure that they do have the level
of expertise that you're looking for. A good spiritual teacher
should also be working on their stuff. Good spiritual teachers

(53:00):
to be working on becoming more and more self aware.
None of us are perfect. I can attest that I'm not.
I've still got my own junk that I'm working through.
But that's the point that that a good spiritual teacher
should be should be working on their stuff and should

(53:21):
be willing to admit it. If there's a spiritual teacher
that's saying they are the ultimate, they have no issues,
there's there's you know, they're all perfect, they're totally enlightened whatever,
then actually, one percent of the time the people that
I've met who've claimed that, every one of them that

(53:46):
I've observed, it has come out later that they were
doing really bad, abusive stuff to people, like really really
freaky bad stuff to their students. And I'm not going
to get into to those stories, but I'm very wary
when someone says that they're completely evolved, they don't have

(54:09):
any more stuff to work on. So, you know, if
a person is grounded and they're they're humble about the
fact that they're working on their stuff, then I think
that's that's a good trait. And also someone who is
working toward healthy communication. Again, we're not all perfect. Sometimes

(54:31):
we have moments where we accidentally don't say the right thing.
I know that's been the case for me, But that
there is an honest attempt at healthy, loving, open, grounded
communication with the students, with their students slash followers, slash clients,
whatever it is, whoever it is that they're working with.

(54:53):
And that is in contrast to like verbal abuse and
manipulation manipulative methods.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Somebody who's humble, grounded, working on their stuff, knowledgeable, healthy communication, yep,
I think that about covers it. So you guys have
been so quiet. I have never had no comments like,
are you guys all like on the edge.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Of your seat. I'm gonna check the time. It's the
top of the hour.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I'm teaching a class for my one of my paid
programs here in just a little bit, so I'm gonna
wait and see if you have any other questions here,
and while we tie things up, just a reminder that,
oh that if you want to go deeper, you can

(55:48):
go to my website Psychic Protection Sanctuary dot com and
there's a twelve month program under events and classes and
it's the Spiritual Empowerment Academy and we cover all sorts
of stuff from psychic psychic development, psychic protection, how to

(56:11):
manage your energy, gosh all personal transformation.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
There's just a ton of stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
There's a humongous archive of years of content in there,
plus we have monthly classes. So anyway, enough of that,
thank you all for being here. Phyllis is saying I'm behind,
so I'll catch the replay. So good to see you, Phyllis. Yeah,
So since there weren't any questions live, I want to

(56:42):
just finish by saying, well, first of all, thank you
for being here.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
And secondly, if there's anything that I missed, or anything that.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
You've encountered or observed that you feel should have been included,
please add it to the comments because that helps everybody.
Our goal here is to work on discernment. And again,
if you've been following my stuff for a while, you
know that I'm not at all about calling people out,
calling out this spiritual teacher or that spiritual teacher. That's

(57:14):
not how I roll. I don't think that's helpful. It
creates too much division. I think what's important is to
teach about these things so that we can all develop
discernment and be able to stay grounded in that discernment
and be able to see what is a match for

(57:37):
us and what is not.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
And I think the last thing that I want.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
To say is that if you have friends who are
also spiritual seekers and you see that someone might be
getting involved with someone a spiritual teacher that is exhibiting
some of these red flags, I recommend that you say
something to your friend, because I think in our culture

(58:06):
and also in the spiritual culture, we tend to be
too passive. We say, well, I don't want to interfere,
I don't want to give unsolicited advice. But there are
ways to approach it where you're not being overbearing, and
you can just say it in a caring way and say, hey,
you know, maybe you could even just mention my video

(58:28):
or if that helps take the pressure off, and you
can say, hey, I saw this video by this lady
and she said these red flags, and I noticed that
this teacher is doing this, and so I'm concerned, and
I just wanted to point this out and then they
can choose what they want to do with that information, okay,
because sometimes people just don't have the information and they

(58:50):
just don't know any better. Those of you who are
watching this who have had to get yourselves out of
abuseive relationships with spiritual teachers, some of you have told
me privately that you wish that someone would have told
you because that after the fact, people would say, well,

(59:10):
I knew about this and that, but I didn't want
to interfere or I didn't want to come off as negative,
or you know, I didn't want to get involved. And
the person some of these people who shared this with
me after the fact said that to them, that felt
like a betrayal that you know, their friends were just

(59:31):
watching them go through this and they never said anything,
and then they had to go through these horrible experiences
and then by themselves extract themselves from that abusive relationship,
and you know, their friends would tell them later after
the fact. So hopefully my explaining that will help you

(59:54):
feel more comfortable saying something to a friend and and
then also if you are a spiritual teacher yourself, then
I encourage you to use your discernment and figure out, Uh,
if you have a student who says that they're going
to a spiritual teacher, that that perhaps you feel exhibits

(01:00:16):
a lot of red flags. You know, I know it
can be a sticky area for me. I have a
personal rule that I don't ever want to say anything
negative about a colleague or a spiritual teacher. So I'm
very adamant about that. But if someone is has been
a student of mind for a while and we have

(01:00:37):
an established relationship, then then I will privately tell them, well,
you know, I have direct information that you know, blah
blah is is you know working with this kind of
energy or that I've had several people come forward say
that this person psychically attacked them, So you know, I
encourage you to use caution when working with this person.

(01:01:00):
So it can be really hard as a spiritual teacher
to use your discernment and figure out when to say
something and when not to. I had somebody say to
me years ago, they said, if one of your students
was getting ready to jump off a cliff, would you
let them? Because I used to be totally passive, like
I wouldn't say anything. I didn't want to make waves.

(01:01:24):
I just really didn't want to make waves at all.
And when this person said, well, if your student was
going to jump off a cliff, would you let them?
And I was like, no, of course not. And she said, well,
if you have more information, like you're more knowledgeable and
in my case, I'm able to see energy and feel energy.

(01:01:46):
And she said, in your situation, you have more information
than they do. And there and some of them are
just beginner students.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
They don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
And it's your responsibility to tell them. So that was
a big eye opener for me. I started becoming less
passive and more intentional. There are things that I will
share with students privately, and it's it's tough. It's on
a case by case basis because I also have the

(01:02:17):
professional my professional ethics that I don't don't want to
say anything negative about any colleague ever. So it's it's
about weighing those two, those two things that are both
about staying in integrity. So we've got some comments coming in.

(01:02:41):
I just went on my soapbox for a little while.
Shelley says, I have been lucky with the people helping me.
I am finding people in my life have some of
these traits.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yeah, interesting. So Erica says hello from Indiana, Hello Erica,
and Shelley says, especially this, I get attacks, but I
don't think they realize they can do this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah. I've had people in my life who.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Got real angry and they sent some really negative vibes
and they didn't I don't think they realized how powerful
they were. That can definitely be true with some people.
So it is time to go now, but I hope
you all have a great evening and don't be shy
at all about sharing, about sharing anything that I may

(01:03:30):
have left out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I may or may.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Not turn this into a blog article or something in writing.
And so if there's anything that I left out, now
is a good time to tell me and then I
can make sure to include it in my written list. Okay,
all right, So thank you all for joining me and

(01:03:53):
it's been a pleasure and I will see you all
next time, sending you all my love.