Ep. 387 | Farewell

Public Enemies break down John Cena’s final match, Saturday Night’s Main Event, AEW Winter Is Coming and the road to World’s End. Covering: Cena vs. Gunther, Continental Classic updates, Bron Breakker’s rise, Samoa Joe tapping out Eddie Kingston, Swerve/Hangman title stakes, MJF’s return plans. Plus— new AEW Women’s Tag Champs, LA Knight's booking, WWE Unreal Season 2, Matt Hardy vs. Dax debate, and more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Actually I don't even want to where it is cool.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Anyways, I was very excited, obviously for him to enter
the WWE, and uh we were supposed to we were
supposed to team up with one other person, supposed to
be three on three, And the day that it was
supposed to be announced, he didn't show up. And I
think what happened is my guess is he probably realized

(00:26):
at some point that it's really physically demanding, really.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hard to crand a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's probably too much commitment for someone who is a
rock star of his caliber, like Bad Bunny loves it
and like put in the time and like became a
good wrestler. Wrestling is a lot about navigating pain. It
all really hurts, and and something's hurt less, but it
all hurts.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
What's up, everybody, I'm great, I'm great. I'm betting. I'm
betting the nigga that booked Travis Scott told bust Out
Cody Rose Deer drunk for nothing, but like I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Good, absolutely nothing. Absolutely That's that's words from Logan Paul
like randomly talking about Travis Scott to Joe Budden.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm sorry, I don't trust like I like, I think
what he's saying is true to a point, but I
don't trust that nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Logan Paul, Well, there was a report I believe it
was p W Insider right around Money in the Bank.
We talked about it on this show. Uh was the
idea that it could be Travis Scott, Logan Paul, and
John Cena and a six man tag at Money in
the Bank. And I believe it was Cody Rhodes and

(01:52):
the ussos that were in question to possibly be on
the opposite side of that team. And that's what we get.
But I mean, I kind of feel like he's kind
of on the nose right as far as like we
were just talking about like level of commitments off off
you know, off camera, off live. You know what I'm saying,
and it's like the level of commitment for Travis Scott

(02:15):
to actually want to do this, it might have got
too real where you.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Like, like, I ain't no Dennis Rodman bro That's why
I'm Robb or not the nigga.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I can kind of see where he's coming from. I
can kind of see that being the thing he also
mentioned like I don't know, but that's kind of what
I think and I can't say I disagree with that,
you know, being a interesting line of thinking to be like, okay,
that's that's a logical conclusion. I feel like that people
could come to you know what.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm saying real quick, of course, I feel like I
feel like Logan Paul is the nigga that you tell
like a few things of the story. I don't type
of nigga. Don't tell him everything, bro, You don't because
he because he gonna go ahead and tell it. You
don't tell him everything second you tell him like, yeah, bro,
like anything it's gonna be he's gonna tell it on

(03:10):
his podcast. He's not the nigga that you tell it.
You tell snippets, the unimportant ship, the ship that that's
already broken, the news, the sit that people are gonna
find out, and you're not gonna like like it's gonna
be important. But yeah, you definitely don't he type a
nigga like snitch, give.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Him the cliff notes, spark notes.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know what, I'm exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
At all.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I like that better. I like I like that a
lot better.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
There you go, because now you're gonna be funcking with
Travis Scott. You gonna dis that nigga, like you just
push your t and that was horrible. So we know
we gottay.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Mister beast, can't get you out of this one.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Bro, all right, man, let's go ahead hit this button.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
I told that a little bit, don't you cross the line.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
She know that she ain't got no kid, but she
gonna swallow mine.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Keep one the time. I shoot my shot just like
it's kind of by.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
If I say put it on floating, that's the bottom line. Yeah,
I told the little bits, don't you cross the line.
She know that she ain't got no kid, but she
gonna swallow mine. Keep one up, tip. I shoot my
shot just like it's kind of them by. If I
say put it on the floating, that's the bottom line.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
And on the number one contend there in this bitch,
still little bit.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
This bitch trying to stretch in different ReSm always on
some different shit ideals.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Me O, dell, real flow.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
I'm just switching whips the Fadebody gotta priced nigga that.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
You should get a grip four fifties in the trunk.
I make it swung, nigga. If I'm not the best
in the world, I see them pulling niggas. He the best.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
You gotta beat the best. Just would come with it live.
She can steal for reals, just like when Trump did it.
I told that little bit, don't you cross the line.
She know that she ain't got no kid, but she
gonna swallow mine.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Keep one up, tip. I shoot my.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Shot just like it's kind of by if I say,
put it on the floating. That's the bottom line.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, definitely muted. I'm definitely muted.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
You feel men, I said, Yo, my headphone, bro, something
going on? No, I.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
You feel me?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I was like, I don't even really much, got too
much to say of you know what I'm saying. I'm
tom about you. Feed me, ladies and gentlemen, people with jobs,
people without jobs, middle class, supper class, high class, all
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(05:36):
This is episode three eighty seven of the best things
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I hope everybody out there is doing great. You could
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talking about Benny the butcher in the building. What's going on,

(05:57):
big dog Grade.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I wasn't here last week, but I'm here this week.
See not here. But don't worry. You're seeing us in
the same place at the same time we are. We
are not the same person. You don't got to worry.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Back gresh. What's the deal, brother? What's new? What's popping with?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
How you feeling the day?

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Like?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, being in CJ two different complexions he mask off,
mask on, complexion on, complexion off. Nah, uh no, I'm good.
I'm googling cooling. I'm cooling uh off. Day today, so
pretty much relaxed. But I slept in this morning so
it was like I ain't really need a nap today

(06:40):
because I was like, woke up it like a normal
human being today. M hmm.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Because I'm didn't write, nobody, didn't didn't say an you know,
you did say something? You did.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I was like, I was like last week, I was like,
I ain't want to go. But then uh, buddy of
mine was like, hey, bro, I got two tickets for
like forty five apiece, and I'm like that's a that's
a steal soul. Well, I'm like, oh, I slid. I
need to I need to have more fun with like
with the other human population.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I love just setting up plans just so I could
cancel them. The euphoria that kicks in, like the naps
are better when you cancel plans and you laid back
in the bed, You're like, yeah, like texting me, hey man,
I can't make it. I'm not and I promise I
don't do that with y'all. I'm really doing stuff when
I when I text y'all, tell you I can't be
that I'm saying for other people, you.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Know, not y'all.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Surprisingly, I didn't crash until like midnight because I had
they started early yesterday and then like once dynamite head
and adrenaline took me through the two hours and it
was like swimwhere I'm like, damn it.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Kick right, you know, you got to deserve And he
was like, I bet you know what I'm saying to
turn the fuck up.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
You know what I'm saying. You need to go you
know it, gotta do it, gotta do it, do you
have to Life is short, You gotta gotta live. You
live your best life much as possible.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I agree with that. I agree with that. Definitely. Somebody
that's living their best life right now is the Rock.
He was just nominated for a Golden Globe for the
role that he played as a Mark Kerr in The
Smashing Machine. Super excited for this guy. I personally did
not like the movie, but I know this is uh,

(08:43):
you know, the passion project for him is something that
he wanted to try to step out of his comfort
zone and get into some different acting roles and so
uh for for this, and I think he's like trying
to like push or like his people are trying to push,
like the Academy Award, Academy Award. We need that, Oscar
I'm talking about. But hey, Awards season is coming up

(09:03):
real soon, and if this is the first step, you know,
maybe maybe he's well on his way. But salute to
the Rock for that.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
You know, I ain't seen it.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I wouldn't recommend it.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well, you didn't have to recommend it. At all.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I just now it's one of those things like the
Rock used to do a bunch of like like a
bunch of like whiskey projects or whatever he played like
in dramatic roles, or he played still like a silly
role or something like that was it wasn't like a
different version of himself that that shit didn't work, forced
him into his cocoon, and now he's making like movies

(09:42):
where he's like, yeah, Oscar Consideration, going to Glow Consideration,
like he just wants to come away with one of those,
and then he's gonna go back to making like fifteen
movies via Reason the Jungle, and he's playing like a
version of himself. So maybe don't give it to him.
I see how many more role interesting roles we can
see him in.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I'm surprised he hasn't played the final bass yet.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh I don't.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Just walk through, just just walk through and just started
telling people. Don't funk with.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Him, James says, because he like, I don't want him
to show up in Saturday Nights made event, don't.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Due Oh yeah, and screw and tell Johnson and you're
not retiring.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I've seen like yo, I've seen the shittiest, like fantasy
bookings where they're like, yeah, the same one that that
you're talking about. He like shows up like I still
own your soul. I'm like some bullshit, bro, nobody wanted
all right, we'll talk about that later.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
That was definitely horrible. Next episode of WWE Unreal, Man.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Oh, I got season two coming next year?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
They do? They do? Got season two coming? If I'm
not mistaken, season two. I had that somewhere in my note.
Season two actually debuts January twentieth, twenty twenty six. You
got Rowlins, Becky Lynch, Cody Roase, Real Ripley, Naomi, Pat McAfee,
Jelly Roll, are Eo Sky, Chelsea Green, and Lyra Valkyria.

(11:19):
My bad Pinta is also gonna be chronicled on this
season of WWE Unreal lot.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
The fun they gotta play jelly roll and Pat mcavee
and his ship. I don't. I don't need to see
Pat mcabee or jelly rolling is Pat mcavee Like, I'm like,
brom tired. I'm tired.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Bro, it's recent.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Bad boys shit like bro that wrap it up? Yeah,
Like I think like I think it's like when he
fought Doun third like after WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, I forgot this ship timeline is WrestleMania to Summer Slam,
so we're likely to see stories like Cody's bounced back
to the title's journey, you know, from Wrestlingia to the
Women's Championship to pregnancy, the rollins, the knee injury thing,

(12:18):
and maybe like the our truth, uh, the you know,
leave and comeback thing. I think I think all those
are like up for you know, possible stories or through
lines we're gonna see on this next season for WWE unreal.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
I mean, uh yeah, the lineup like yo, y'all, I
don't know. Last season was just like for me, I
was like, I'm not impressed. I watched this season for
the sake of, like, you know, I think I might
not watch it, bro, I'm not. I'm not gonna put
myself through pain, unnecessary pain and shit that I don't

(12:56):
want to watch the twenty six I.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Don't know, you don't have to do that. I'm probably
gonna watch it. I like Chelsea Green on my season.
I thought she was a spotlight really dope, so I'm
kind of interested to see how this one goes and
what type of bullshit they're gonna throw at us and say,
oh yeah, we had this plan, but then we did this,
and this was all the plan the whole time. You

(13:19):
know what I'm saying, type shit, triple h. Are you
enjoying the show? Shoot the fuck up? Anyways, So let's
go ahead and get this ship cracking off. Man, let's
go ahead and get this ship going. We had dynamite.
Uh you feel me last night? Well, you know what
I'm saying. As we recording you fore me right now,

(13:40):
you know, talking about if you're listening on the audio feed,
we appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Go ahead, throw us a little rating, five star. You
know what I'm saying all this five star, five listen.
I'll get to that anyways, throw us a rating on
Apple Spotify. You know, talking about let us know how
you feel. You feel me? But I'm gonna let y'all
know how I feel because we had aw dynamite just
last night. I enjoyed it. It was a cool show
updating you feel me? A new ism. The Continental Classic

(14:06):
is still going brazy, you feel me? The Continental Classic
is still going brazy. Atlanta, Georgia, Gresh, you were there.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, it was like I'm I'm not summer, but
I'm relaxed, like I'm not doing any loud talking because
little screen, because I was, I was doing a lot
of shit talking in the building, like from pillar to post,
from bell to bell. Because we had I think we
had like three bonus matches before the show even started.

(14:36):
Uh we had sat in them singing face off against
Uhryan Nimith knockoff. It was just just a generic white
dude that it was like thirty seconds choke slam one
two three foot on the chest. Uh Satum is pretty
tall in person. I'm like, damn you up there with
omas Omos Callo, but you up there, oh guy. And

(15:01):
after that, I believe we had uh we had Steve Borden,
Stephen Borden, uh Staing's kid in a match against some
Atlanta local guy and never heard of him. He's probably
like in QT school or some shit. But that was
actually pretty solid. Like I see the potential in Steve

(15:24):
Stephen Borden, Like he I feel like he picked the
right path going to the independent route, not like the
nonchalant basically not not to use it the nepotism to
like get his foot in the door. He's like I'm
just gonna go to the independent route. But yeah, his
his finish is a diving cross body. So it was
it was pretty cool to see that.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Want to be stinging in nineteen eighty nine, so bad brouh.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
I did look like him. That's the funny thing about it,
like splitting image. And then we had and then in
the last one, we had Billy gunnaging to jock looking
motherfuckers that looked like they was juiced out of their
mind literally like talk about Roy Beller that they was
just juiced. And they faced off against another trios U

(16:13):
tag team. Put it this way, outside of sating them
sing and Stephen Borden because of his association one, it's
that I ain't know none of these niggas were so
I was just chilly. The actual then the actual show
started and it was actually pretty like it opened up
with that tag team match, the women's tag team match
like in person. Yeah, everybody, like from from bell to bell,

(16:37):
everybody was just going crazy like it was. It was.
It was insane, especially for a lot of people thought
the what the what the the timeless love bombs? They
thought they were gonna win, but no, we got Willow
and Hally Harley Cameron about to call the Harley Quinn.
But Harley Cameron winning the Tag Team Championships, and I

(16:58):
will say this proudly that Harley is actually progressing very well.
There were a few moments where it looked like it'll
about to be a wardrobe malfunction because I'm like, oh
m hmm, like like my sister in christ One size
of Thank you kindly whoa like relax, like like my

(17:27):
dog next to me.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
He was like, oh, I was like, bro, party, you
don't do that here, relaxed. You're talking about the AW
Women's World Tag Team Championship Finals, Harley Cameron and Willow Nightingale,
the Babes of Wrath, defeating the Timeless Love Bombs Tony

(17:50):
Storm and Mina Shirakawa to become the inaugural champions. The
match was pretty cool in person.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Oh yeah, like I lost my ship with the with
the Willow counts and everybody.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
How did it come across on TV? For you?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Ben?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Watching Willow and Harley get this win, I.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Just like feel like Tony Kain saw my bracket and
saw my picks and was like no to all of it,
Like yo, I just felt like he saw like that
just like gave me the middle finger and was like no,
because I did not have them projected to win at all.
I was like, Yo, this team is like they're gonna

(18:35):
they're gonna like they're gonna have some fun matches. I
had them getting deep from the beginning. What do I know?
What do I know? But seeing them win it was
definitely like it was definitely cool to see them when
Willow to get entitled, uh you know Holly, get like
to see her, to see her get like that after

(18:56):
like you know, getting like her moment like earlier this
year was at last year with like the Mercedes Monette
puppet thing and then taking that and that became a
big thing and then using that to like springboard onto
more stuff. Is just like it's just good to see.
But I think this is a fun tag team to
start off with because you have multiple options of people

(19:19):
you can like, you can like having to go against,
you can have a go against baby Face, you have
gogains Hell, and it won't feel weird. So I think ultimately,
like this is why that is why I'm not the booker.
So I think like they did really good.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I really like the match, shout the Willow because I
think this is her second inaugural title win, first being
the new Japan's Strong Women's Championship, So shout to her.
She coming in clutch. She's stacking quite the resume Strong
Women's Champion, TBS champion and our gurl Tag Team Champion,
and I believe it's another title that I'm missing, but

(19:55):
pretty solid that World Championship should be next six.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's on the way, Brudder is on the way. We
are smack dab. I ain't said that, like, not never
in my life, but we in the middle of the
Continental Classic, y'all talking about. We are in the middle
of the Continental Classic, and so far the matches have
been crazy. We got a sub and damn near another sub.

(20:22):
You feel me, So shit's going on. Shit's going crazy.
I'm gonna go ahead and run you down the current
standings and what we're looking at and what we've seen
as of late this past Saturday. On Collision the Blue League,
you had Kenoski Takeshta. He defeated John Moxley, Orange Cassidy
beat Roderick Strong, and then of course Mascoderata clean as

(20:45):
a motherfucking sheet chef's kiss over Claudio Castignoli. That was
on collision. That's what we're looking at. As far as
the Blue League, Ben, can you do me a favorite?
Can you grab like the standings for the current Blue
League and like what the points are looking like on
that spread?

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I got you, I got you. John Moxley Brolan got
three points. Man only got three points. He in the dirt.
They're gonna whoop his ass, like, Yo, you can't. You
can't be a scrub and losing a tournament and lose
calo'riley three times? Row you got something, got shape? Uh,

(21:26):
Claudia Casco six points, he's doing good, like, uh, let's
Seekeska six points? Two Bro, I'm sorry, Like at least
MASKI got some points. Roger Strong goose Bro like it

(21:47):
ain't going it ain't going good for him. Uh, Mesca Dorado,
I'm sorry Dorado three points and cashing out one Cassidy
three points.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
So that was due to his win over his conglomeration
or non conglomeration brother, Roger.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
I'm not in the fucking group, all right, he's a
special guest. I ain't even that special guest star. Uh,
he said, how fuck you make this up? Out here man,
you feel me.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Ut Adam anyways, now talking about Gold League. Just last
night on Dynamite, a couple more matches in the Gold
League Speedball, Mike Bailey with the flash pin going Yankee
going crazy. The way he got that win over Kyle
Fletcher was absolutely nuts. And then of course Okada defeated
Jack Perry, who was subbing in for Darby Allen. We've

(22:46):
got the Gold League standings as well, Ben, can you
get those for me?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I got you, I got you Gold League, we got Tokeska.
I'm not I'm sorry arch enemy, but also his brother like,
I don't know what. We gotta figure this out. Okada
first place, tied for first place, uh six points speaking
by Mike Bailey three points, Todd Fletcher six points, Kevin

(23:13):
Knight three points, three points, Younger boy Jack pay zero.
I'm like, oh, and this ship you did and mad
just not to get a when you bit this, I'm
not even gonna stay away.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
You bet it's Dick bro live in.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Eating right there, my brother.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
I would have I would have been cool if you
just had budd Man, but you.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
You Dick nibbd, but he had Buddies. I'm not even
gonna I'm not even gonna say thathing. That's my bad,
that's my fault. Show I said, talk like that.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
It stopped being PG five minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
It was, Yeah, I'm like, I don't know us in
the like, what's what's bruh? Like really into an a
j You might want to talk to your dog. You
feel me the way that nigga was like like proud
about it, damn near like he was honory about it.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
You feel me the way he.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Was like.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
He said, he said, I'm gonna bite off more than
bruh if you that's yo.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Chest nuts roasting in the open fire. Literally, Yeah, that
was wild, bro.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
He almost got hurt or where he did, like suffer
like a minor injury. He drive a little suicide dive,
fucked up his ankle, you know what I'm saying. Work
through it, they said it. But the boy is okay.
They said, the boy is okay. So he came in
as an alternate for Darby Allen and damn near got
fucked up, you know what I'm saying, And we had
to find another alternate.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
What was gonna do?

Speaker 4 (24:55):
I noticed a lot like last night, a lot of
people were like they're was getting caught in the rope
because it wasn't just him that got caught. But yeah,
both matches, Like if I had to outweigh wait both
of them, it was definitely the call and Speedball match
like that match. I if I didn't wasn't wearing a
turtleneck and I actually didn't like that shirt, I would

(25:17):
have ripped it off and just start swinging around like
that's fucking like it. It was a crazy mass to
witness live, because it's one thing to see it on TV,
but to actually feel like the energy of the crowd,
the near falls and I'm not really one for kicking
out of people's finishes, but man, that dude Speedball is smooth.
And I think this is my first time seeing him
like one on one, like in a one on one
match in person, like I've always seen him in tag

(25:41):
team like him, and I think he was wrestling at
all all in in Texas, I believe. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
so I'm like, but one on one, I'm like, yo,
this this is a treat to witness live, and obviously
Okada wrestling live is always a treat, but I'm like,
outside of the few little mishaps in the the nibbling

(26:03):
of the privates. Young boy held his own, so I can,
I can, I can give him a tip of the
the cap he held in there with a former i
w GP heavyweight champion. So shout.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, like like like people told shit about Jungle Boy
because sometimes it's fun too, but like, yeah, hole is
own in the ring, like like, yo, don't get it twisted,
like just you know, getting yoked up some time. Don't
mean he can't like put on the classic, But yeah,
I thought it was very like interesting, Like yo, he
said he got injured coming in for Darby Allen, who's

(26:38):
dealing with an injury. I was like, yo, you damn
near might have to throw this spot away just for
the protection of a roster. But you know it's good
to see him like be able to you know, go
through it nothing serious or whatever. So you know you
always want to see, you know, everybody come out okay
and scathe. But yeah, that conflect your speedball match. That
was that ship was the truth. Man, Oh my gosh.

(27:02):
Like I've seen people say, like, you know what, this
is what's wrong with this generation. This is what's wrong
with this is what's wrong with that. This wrestler is
better than all the wrestlers on a e W combined.
I'm not gonna say, who y'all a damn thing that
Logan par has ever done and probably ever will do

(27:23):
that would stand up to this match, like get out
of my face, Stevie Richards.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Oh brother, the funny And also I think I said
it to close our night at the shot. It's like, bro,
wrestling is so much fun. We ain't got buck to
knee high and the grasshopper Jimmy talking shit about what's
in front of you is like, just enjoy the moment,
enjoy the match if you like it, you like it
if you don't shut the fuck up, like at this point,

(27:49):
because like, like one thing I would never do is
sit here and watch some good graps as the insiders
or the smart kids like to say some good graps
and think about another company, Like.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, so you're talking about the energy in the
in the you know, in the building. First of all,
I don't know like what it looked like. You feel
me like, have you ever been to that uh the
place that they had that show before at.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
The oh in College Park? Nah, that was my first time.
They've always had it in Duluth, but since they've been
downsizing the size and the other arena which still sold out,
like it was like barely any empty seats. Like the
only ones who was empty was in front of me.
Was because they were kept going backstage with with wrestlers
like I'm having Qt Marshall casually walk in front of me,

(28:42):
Chris Hero, all these people just walking back and for them,
like the producers up to Yeah, you had all these
people next to me, Like, oh my god, this I
was like, Bro.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
It came on TV. It looked it looked like a
good building, like you know what I'm saying. It looked
dope like aesthetically it was pleasing for me.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Oh yeah, it was definitely like it was like the
walking in and I was pretty straightforward, like it wasn't
no hassle, no headaches, none of that stuff. I think
someone tried to slip back in for some reason. In security, Bro,
I'd never seen his fat security. It was this fat security.
I ain't never seen him run that fast before in
my life. I'm like, bro, you about the bomb brush
everybody just to get this dude out of this building.

(29:20):
Like I respect you, I respect you, Booker Man, but
goddamn and the job is not that damn serious.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Bro exactly Like Bro, like I just paid thirty seven
dollars and get back in.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Relax like I ain't never Like it was literally bout
trying to get out and all you see is the
security guard said, shoot, I'm like, bro, you're running like
you said Christal Kreen, donut like bro, Relax.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
The main event of the show Samoa Joe versus Eddie
Kingston for the AW World Heavyweight Championship. What was the
energy like for that match, because like, for me, like
watching it, I was like, at first, I felt like
it was kind of slow, like I was a little
bit out of it, but like it kind of picked
up after like that first five minutes. But like for

(30:06):
you being there, like what was it like, it.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Was definitely split like you know, me out everybody was
like you have majority Eddie Eddie fans like it was
like let's go Eddie, but it was definitely mixed Max
with someone with let's go Joe chance like this man
is a heel, but it's just the presence of Somemojo.
It's just you're going to feel like it's a fight.

(30:28):
And I agree. The opening couple of minutes was a
little slow and it's like it's almost ten o'clock. Let's
pick up the pace like like, and they actually did,
like it was and it was more so Joe like
trying to play up the crowd and like keep us
hype down. But the chop off, the chop fest was

(30:49):
something serious to the point where I'm like, bro, you
ain't even the chop with Joe. And then but he
Eddie Kingsy proved me wrong. He like this nigga chest
in and he did. But yeah, that spirit was actually
pretty like it wasn't really a slow moment. The old
time it was a slow period. A little bit was
when they kept going to commercial break and Justin Roberts
kept trying to like he was improvising. He was like, hey,

(31:12):
here's Bob the ring inspector, Here's Bob Junior. And I'm like, bro,
shut the fuck up, like stuff like that was getting
kind of annoying, but not when when the commercial. Luckily,
like when the wrestling happened, it didn't feel like it
was dragging as much like it was just slow. It
was it was a build up for each match and

(31:32):
that main event was right outcome, like everybody next to
me was like, we all know Joe winning, right, Cool?
Okay cool? And it was we still we still been
into it, had fun at a blast and I believe Yeah,
this is my also my second time seeing Joe Russell live,
so it never disappointed.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He tapped out Eddie Kingston in the middle of the ring.
You know what I'm saying, I said, Damn Eddie Blood Like,
you know what I'm saying, man, Like, I knew you
was gonna lose, but damn Blood, you gotta tap out.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Pe.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
I thought you was better than that.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I thought you had more heart than that.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Pee.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I thought you was saying a little bit more. You
know what I'm saying, strong minded?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I thought you had it in you. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
But anyway, I thought I thought he was gonna pass out.
But I looked at the time, I was like, yeah,
they got to take you home.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, oh Samoa. Joe did the little STF and saluted
to John so Sena posted it on his Instagram. Nice
little nod. That's the beautiful thing about wrestling. We're just like,
you know, like you see, like the camaraderie between the
actual performers and how they feel about each other when

(32:42):
they display shit like that, even like to like the
video that they did for Sena and like like all
the different wrestlers like for me with the signs, feel me.
They got the towel, they doing the salute, they doing it.
You can't see me all the ship. You feel me,
like real heartwarming, real touching shit, you know what I'm saying.
In the midst of violence, that's what Samoa Joe is.

(33:03):
He is the calm in the middle of the storm,
and he prevailed.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's like there's two niggas in the game that get
love like that Sting and John Cena. It's like, yo,
you like it's like Goldberg's like, yoh man, Like what
was going on with my retirement show? Like to ain't
nobody wishing me have retirement? And it's just like Raymond
told that niggas like, yo, hey, thank you, Kobe.

Speaker 7 (33:32):
They don't love you like that.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
To Paul p Is like, hey, they don't love you
like that, Dug, you ain't getting no sor.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I will say that tam Tornado tag team match was
pretty solid too, between Hangman and the Hangman and Swerving Ops.
And I've listened to swerves them music on TV and
in person.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Still ask get this ship off the fucking airwaves. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I ain't gonna lie to you. P. But however, however, however,
however they teamed up both of these niggas, is basically
saying this is a one time only thing.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I don't like that nigga. I don't like that nigga.
We don't like these niggas. I don't really like you.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
But it's all good.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I respect you.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
The respect is there. That's really why it feels like
to me, like a real like reincarnation of the two
man Power Trip. I just need both of these niggas
to grab titles. And you know what I'm saying when
the tag straps you know talking about.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
But yeah, make a lie to me. All you want
is say, like, yo, we're never doing this again. It's
the one time. Think they'll be champions. They'll be tagging
champions in four months, bro.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
We'll see, We'll see, because right now, as of this moment,
the both of them have staked their claim they want
a shot at the aw World Championship. We got Worlds
in in about two and a half weeks. Here are
we looking at a situation where we might see Samo
Joe versus Hangman versus Swerve in a rematch from Revolution

(35:03):
twenty twenty four. They already did this the months before
Swerve took the title from hang before Swarve took the
title from some More Joe. But it kind of feels
like we're positioning things back in place for Swerve and

(35:23):
Hangman to kind of as you know, both of them
want to shot at the title, for them to be
at odds, and then it's like, well, who's the one
that actually gets the shot at the belt?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I mean, they do a triple threat again, it is
I'm not gonna be mad at it because it's not
like it's not like we've never seen two of the
same match twice, at least at least not within recent memory,
because I know for a fact the first one that
comes to mind is the triple threat at WrestleMania twenty

(35:55):
and backlass to following with a month like they've done it,
like no matter the company, they've done that before. If
it if it's if it's movable, doable, go for it.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Now, one sidebar, though, I'm gonna Swerve to relax on
the bulking because my brother was he was kind of like, brother,
you slowed down a little bit, like I noticed that.
I was like, still good, still good at what he does,
but I might have to up that cardio some more

(36:30):
now that you.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Fact another thing. I don't need him to do the
roll through no more. I'm good, I'm good. I don't.
I don't need that.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Doing a roll through into the flat liner. Just do
the flat liner? Like that?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Does that add like an extra? Like no, It's like, yo,
I'm like, bro, what is that? What does that add.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
The show?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
My mama? It adds style points? But other than that,
like it looks cool. But him being like or like
you said, like him focus so much and him getting
so hubbed so small. I think he should eliminate some
of those roles because it is gonna start looking a
little awkward, like like, come on, bro, Like imagine Bobby
Lashley like rolling around this bitch. You gona be like, yeah,
he's an amateur wrestler, but this nigga doing all types

(37:26):
of float over, brainbusters and ship like come.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
On funny as well, like I'm trying to see that.
I pay to see that.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah, that was overall was good show question for you.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Would you pay to see MJF in Violent Night two
when it comes out.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I didn't even see the first one, so probably neither.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I ain't gonna lie to you me neither. However, MJF
has apparently uh and reportedly been factored into storylines plans
for or World's End. I think we spoke about this
a couple of weeks ago, but he is now, of
course finished filming Violent Knight two, and if his return

(38:12):
is imminent and he is indeed set to come back
at World's End, unless you guys, I'll start with ben, like,
where do you see like MJF fitting into the current
landscape of aw Like can he jump right into the
main event scene and get back into that mix with

(38:33):
these guys, or you think he would go like like
a mid car route or you know, upper midcarget somebody
like I'm I'm wondering, like what you guys see for him,
like upon his.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Return, doesn't think he still had the contract?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
He does?

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Oh, I mean he can easily like insert himself into
the world type of picture by saying, hey, yeah, I
got bump y'all claim I got nixed.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I'd really like to see him do some like some
underhanded stuff and just be like, yeah, I'm a wait
for Joe to either lose the title and then I'll
go for it. And in the meantime he can get
some reps in with like a like a mid card
non title like little rivalry or whatever, and like after

(39:24):
that like kind of like drives up, he kind of
like gets his feet underneath him, and then you could
have him go like for the for the aw world title.
But I don't need him to go straight for it
because you got you got the contract, You got a
little bit of time, like he could do some fun
stuff because before he you know, like he left for
like that a little bit and he was going up
against Mark Briscoe. That was a really fun rivalry. Like

(39:46):
that was a really like cool showing for both of them.
Like it showed, Okay, well, can MJS still be like
the shock job Like I say anything to get a
response like line me like heal character. And he was
able to recapture that energy for that livery as well

(40:06):
as putting over Mark brisco and making him look like
a top level babyface. So I think MJF could definitely
do that with somebody. You know, you don't always need
to rush like Russia, just like building him up for
a little bit and then have him go and go
back for the world title.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
I'm with that.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah. I think when he does indeed actually go for
the world title, I think he's gonna lose. I think
he's gonna fucking lose. And you know, and if i'm
uh like if I'm putting my booker hat on, if
I'm if I'm Tony Kah and he gives me the
pin for a day, I say, his first major program

(40:49):
at least coming out of the attempt to win the title,
and I don't expect that to take very long after
he comes back. I think he's at least challenging by revolution,
if not sometime in like February or whatever. But I
think MJF Versus Swerve is definitely something that we're gonna see.

(41:12):
They teased it a couple of times on AWTV. They've
never had match in aw They've wrestled a couple of
times in the indies. But I think that is a
program that we're gonna see in early twenty twenty six.
That's just me. Maybe I'll reiterate that when we do
like bold predictions and shit like that. But that's what
I think we're in for Swerve and MJF. I think

(41:34):
that's gonna like spin out of I think he's gonna
try to insert himself into the mix with the with
the three of these guys, Samoa, Joe, Hangman and Swerve.
I think he's gonna insert himself into that, and I
think it's gonna spin off into MJF and Swerve. My thoughts,
my thoughts, you fear me, you know, talk about man.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
But if they don't the title on, do you think
it's the situation of them kind of worried to put
the title back on MJL because business kind of slowed
down a little bit the last time he was champion.
Do you think like they have any reservations or do
you think like they're happy with the spot that they're
in right now they kind of rectify some of those situations,
because I feel like some of that was them getting

(42:20):
the bigger arenas, getting like the you know, the bigger
like shows stuff like that, and like having like the
you know, like the tarps over everything, and it was
kind of a bad look for a little while. And
now we've seen them kind of downsize, kind of go
to smaller arenas and stuff like that. Do you think
it's a situation where they're kind of like, we're not
trying to mess up the money right now, we in

(42:41):
a good place. Things are going good, shows are going good,
were critically acclaimed right now. Do you think it's something
like that or do you think like they just want
him to have to like have a climb back to
the world title where he kind of earns it this time.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I think it's the last or I think they want
to they want a little bit of a climb back
to the title. I don't know about him earning it.
I think I think he's still as much as right, yeah,
as much as a guy like m JF can. I
think he's still gonna be, you know, But I do
think it's gonna be a little bit of earning it.

(43:20):
I don't think that they're being tepid, uh for not
like putting the title on him, just because like maybe
you know, in some cases or you know, by some metrics,
he may not have been as successful as a champion
as like somebody else, like a John Moxley or Kenney
Omega or whatever the case may be. But he had
a year long reign. He's still the longest reigning aw
World champion, so that counts for something. And I don't

(43:43):
think that the company or Tony Kahan has really lost
faith in him in that regard. I think that they're
just looking for the right pieces to the right story
to tell for him, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, that definitely makes sense because like I feel like
what you're saying with that, because that was what I
was what I was leading towards too. Because if you
bring him back and you kind of like put the
title on him and he's been going out of nowhere, Yeah,
that's the cool like shock for like a little bit.
But like, what are what are your long term plans?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. Speaking
of people's long term plans. We're gonna switch gears here
a little bit because there was a conversation being had
about bron Breaker possibly being over pushed and over exposed.
Some people are feeling like, hey, they're shoving a They're

(44:32):
they're shoving bron Breaker down your proverbial throat, Jack Perry,
and uh, they're they're they're they're booking him a little
bit too strong. It feels like this whole Uh, I
don't want this person pushed. I want this person pushed.
I feel like that is like like that shit is
like seeping through the whole, like IWC. Right now, I

(44:55):
feel like everybody's finding something to complain about that isn't necessary,
barely worth complaining about.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
You literally just took all the words out of our
mouths at this point, because you literally just said it.
They look for something to complain about. They are literally
begging WWE to push new stars, and when they finally do,

(45:22):
they fucking say no, not that guy. This guy and
the guy that they won't push. Fucking sucks every time.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Every time. Yeah, there's a quote here, sources indicate to
body slam. This is a body slam plus. Sources indicate
the higher up see bron Breaker as the next true
big star. They believe that bron Breaker will be a
Roman Reigns level type of superstar for the company. Breaker
will be the face of the company for years to come.

(45:56):
He's also been discussed with the front runner to win
the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Okay, so I feel like Roman Rains is like saying
like the Roman rings like it's like a little too
high right now. I feel like you can start him
off as like Young two thousand and five, Like Batista,
I feel like he's at that level, Like let's not like,
let's not shoot him to the moon right away, like

(46:21):
you know, get hump out of the Earth's atmosphere. Letting
chill there for a little bit, because he's definitely the
guy that you want to push forward. Like the promos
that he's cutting, like like these are a classic Scott
Steiner esque promos, Like like the shit he be saying
like call and see a pump cracket, That shit is funny.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
As hell for Monday, Like what did you think about
that one? Like him calling seeing Pucker Crackhead and saying
like he wants the old seeing punk and all that
shit the best damn wrestler in the world or whatever
he said. The lace up a pair of boots.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I love it. I love it because it feels authentic
to his character and like I feel like there are
some things that could be you know, taken out and
some things that he could polish up on, like the
one two three spear. I don't like that. I just
felt like it was really cringey, Like I felt like
it didn't need to be there. I feel like someone

(47:18):
was in his ear and telling him like, hey, can
you fit this in here? Can you put this like
one two three Speed or like in like in this
promo somewhere, And he tried to do it his best way.
I like yeah, and I'm gonna bron break you. I
feel like that's another thing. They were like, hey, if
he can and you you put this in here, can

(47:40):
like you like fit this into the promo somewhere because
like the other shit he was doing, I like when
he was talking and he would get overwhelmed and he
would cut himself off and start like shaking his head.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I love that. Like he's like he's very good at
what he does. He's like very moldible right now at
this stage. And I just feel like they, you know,
some of the things that they try to push and
things like that, because one two three Spirit that's gonna
be a T shirt. I'm gonna bron break you. That's
gonna be a T shirt. And I know that that's

(48:16):
what they're saying up for, but it doesn't need to
be there, like you're you're trying, You're ruining a good
thing before it even gets off the ground.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Facts fact him versus seeing Punk the first raw of
twenty six on Netflix for the title, So we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I'm gonna take your wife.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah that was wild punk. You You gotta you gotta
do something, bro, shoot him.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
You gotta earn it. Oh okay, oh all right, all right?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, just go straight for the jugglers. Shoot like shoot
right in the program. Say it again?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
What what else can you do?

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
You gotta protect your wife.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You gotta protect your family. You gotta protect your peace, bro.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah quick, and then just just shooting this nigga.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Said he gonna take your wife. You already lost Larry bro.
And I'm not even trying to get personal, but I'm
just saying, Bro, you just lost man's best friend. He
trying to take your wife and your title.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Then what do you have?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
You're losing record from the UFC.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
All right, Bro, that's not fun. That's an interesting like yo,
to see like if they do, if he does acknowledge
that when he comes back, like just saying like, Yo,
I'm really going through a lot. This nigga gonna talk
about like he gonna take my wife too, like like
like what type of shit you want? Bro? That'd be

(49:38):
a very interesting like thing because you already know the
Pomo when he comes back. He's scheduled to be at
Saturday Nights Man event. We might see a promo there
trying to like to build that. We might he might
not even say anything on money in that row. We
might get the first shot right here. And if they
wan't use that time, like to have him on the show,

(50:00):
like put forward this match. I'm down with it. I
think like yo, like we should like you should use
these moments when wrestlers aren't there. It's set up for
the next big thing.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
He should definitely come out like he shouldn't do over
the top. He could. He should literally reference and drew few.
He said, if I heard heard this man off of
a bracelet, what do you think I'm going to do
to you?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
M M?

Speaker 4 (50:28):
But that shit was We was beating from from over
a fucking bracelet and and and in a bloody hell
of itself. What do you think you want the old?
You want the old? See him punk? You want to
see him punk who basically went crazy in a dog
calling match? You show you sure?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
All right, we don't see Let's see. I'm gonna read
this comment real quick and we'll close out because with
bron Breaker it's not organic. It's a corporate creation. Trick
Williams is an example of an organic star created by
the fans. What do you guys think about that?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I wouldn't say it's not organic. I see I say
the machine is. It's behind bron Breaker, very behind him.
But as far as like, is some of is his
speed and stuff organic? Yes, you can tell where you
can tell with some of his promo where it's organic,
And then you can tell where a Bruce Pritchard or

(51:29):
somebody who has the script says, hey, slip this in
there and it doesn't make it look of sense. That'd
be my Just keep it organic, like, stop trying to
feed him lines.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
It's like when uh that time Edge was cutting a
promo and they were like, yo, can you say grit?
Like was like, hey, can you say grit in this promo?
Like you can you say this right? Can you say
that right here? I feel like bron Breakers, like his
rise has never really truly one hundred percent been organic.

(52:05):
I feel like, if this makes sense, I feel like
there have been organic elements to his rise because you
can you can see from his first appearance on NHT
two point zero they had a plan for him. There
was a clear cut, definitive plan from the first time
he showed up on screen. You knew, hey, this is

(52:26):
gonna be a guy like if all like all things
work out barring injury, scandal like all like like you know,
outside forces, he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be
pushed to the top like one day. And there have
been elements in that push that have felt organic, but
you know, like, okay, there the machine is behind him,

(52:48):
like you know that they're putting like miracle grow and
like all of these like like extra chemicals in this
organic like soil get him to the next level to
where they want him to be. And it's at the
point is like, yo, are you going to are you
going to put out something that's like the people want

(53:09):
to see? Are you going to get to the point
where you push him like too hard and you get
up backlash? We are yet to see that, but I
think he's not one hundred percenter game, but I feel
like there are little elements here and there that feel
like okay, yeah, like that was cool.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Oh yeah, I feel you We'll see Uh. I don't know, man,
He's got a bright future ahead of him regardless, So
excited for his future. But yeah, I do agree with you.
Been there are some elements that it's like, Okay, we
can see y'all doing a little bit much.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah, anybody who says he's over pushed or ging with it,
so I ignore him.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Question for you guys, did either of you see this
little back and forth spat between Dax Hardwood and Matt Hardy.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Nope, they beef Hey beefing? Yeah, that's greaty.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
What Matt Hardy had through some medium I think it
was on this podcast, he had said that he wants
for tn A, with this new deal that they have
with the MC, to focus on more. Uh, to focus
more on storylines and building proper characters, to of course

(54:27):
grow the audience, and not worry so much about trying
to build and create situations to have five star matches.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
This thing said, put the beats up, bro, don't worry
about the Liz bro. We figured that ship out later.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
And I need to beat.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
He wants to be sports entertainment, like, come on, bro, Hey,
at this point, I'm not surprised that these these people
who came up under Vinceman man in some way, shape
or form.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
I'm saying, is this shit sounded like some Bubba Ray
Dudley shit too, right, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Somewhere through that conversation he had mentioned something allegedly that
Dave Meltzer's like a moron or something like that, right,
and DA's Harwood decided to post sweet saying, let me
sit here, here we go. I think calling Dave a

(55:29):
moron is insane. He's probably wrestling's most accurate historian. While
I may not agree with some of his star ratings,
that doesn't mean he's wrong. That means he has a
different opinion than what I do, which is absolutely okay.
Then he goes on to say I think in wrestling,
the older you get, the more you complain about five

(55:50):
star matches. I also think the older you get, the
more you secretly wish you had five star matches. Star
match even is.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
I ain't no way.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
That that was the shot that he sent no Cash Wheeler.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Well, hey bro, it ain't two thousand he said, it
ain't two thousand two, no more, nigga. Matt Hardy said
Matt Hardy was mining.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Gresh. I will correct you. He didn't say that to
Matt Hardy. He said that to the air. Matt Hardy
responded to tweet. Matt Hardy said, as a play in
being petty on what DAK said, Well, I think on Twitter,
if you're gonna decide to moan about somebody's take, you
should add them Dak's FTR. I also think the older
I get, the less I give a fuck about somebody

(56:42):
on the internet. Thanks for the file stars. What I
care about is our matches, drawing at the box office
and how people feel. I enjoy ftr's work, ethic and talent.
I also think AW emphasizes matches more than story, character,
emotional investment, and it makes a challenge to grow your
audience from a niche core, which is my opinion. I

(57:04):
want AW to succeed. It's good for the industry. I
love and enjoy great matches that get me emotionally invested.
I don't secretly wish I had five star matches. Whatever
a five star match is, who's wrong, who's right? Who
gives the fuck? As long as a wrestling your words, he.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Said, Matt Fax, you a bitch ass nigga facts.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
So basically Matt Hardy just jumped to conclusion and just
went on a tirade.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
And that was definitely a shot at him, but he
got rage baited into responding, and.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I will close with this and give it back to
you guys again. Dax does not respond directly to Matt Hardy,
but he posts, oh well, and a bunch of photos
of five star matches FTR and the Young Bucks FTR
and the Brisko at a Supercard of Honor f TR

(58:02):
and the Briscos at Death Before Dishonor f t R
versus Ossy Open at Royal Quest f t R versus
the Briscos, the dob Collar match f TR versus Jay
White and Juice Robinson on Collision f TR versus Brodido
at full gear, and he leaves it at that.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Tell me online, Matt Hardy never had a five star match.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I do not know, brother, that is not my expertise. Somebody, man,
go ahead, pull it up Matt Hardy's five star matches.
Hit the Google machine and let's see what that back
and Twitter beef. That was your You feel me, your
yo yo, your wrestling heat for the week. You're talking about.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
These old heads are clashing.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I'm telling you, yeah. It was the was they was
ready to crash out over over five star matches or
or story which one is better. I will say this though,
I will this, While I do enjoy the way that
WWE puts together some of their stories and storylines and

(59:11):
how the characters can you can get emotionally invested in
the characters, especially what they were doing with the bloodline
and some of the earlier stuff, or at least the
middle of what they were doing, like Judgment Day, Right,
But what AW does when they prioritize matches over your

(59:33):
perceived story, They tell their story, but then those matches
create steaks, and those steaks make those matches feel like
real competition. Some of the shit that these niggas do
over at w w W is like five six, seven eight,
Let's do this spot, Let's do this spot. Play to

(59:54):
the crowd, do your shit, your little signature Jonts, the
five moves or your six moves news or whatever the
fuck you got that people usually come to see, or
whatever you want to sell to the people as your you're, you're,
you're whatever, you know what I'm saying, your your your rolodex,
you know what I'm saying, your move set, and then
they go home. But I feel like, for the most part,

(01:00:17):
the AW matches do feel like they have a little
bit more competition to them than just placating to the
audience personal.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Opinion, it's not even a personal opinion, that's an actual
fact of how they structure most of their matches. Literally
literally last night, that's how they structured most of their matches.
Like you wouldn't you didn't see a squats match last
night on Dynamite, Like everybody had competition, like everybody had
a fighting chance. Yeah, and you don't really see And

(01:00:51):
it's like, and I'm not saying you don't see competition
competitive matches in NXT or Evolve. I don't watch Evolve,
but I'm told that they have comp the matches over
there too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
So if you got time to watch it, yeah, it's
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Matches on because I'm saying, I'm like, it's it's it's
a competitive matches across the board. However, you do need
some sense of reason for people to tune into your show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
So kay, I feel like you can do both, Like
I feel like you can have a show where you
have a good amount of like matches that are interesting
as well as having the storyline. Is the way W
kind of deals it in with storylines like yo, like uh,

(01:01:38):
swerve and Kylo Riley can have a five star match
and like it's revisited like in a few weeks as
like like as something else, Like they developed that match
into a story. Maybe somebody was running the mouth backstage
saying like yo, I'm better this again. Then they figured
they're like, yo, we'll have another match to determine, like yo,

(01:02:00):
who's really the best, And they kind of like spin
that off into a kind of like a medium term
like rivalry. Think AW has a different formula for how
they take these things and they put them into matches.
Like there's definitely feels like AW tries to like have

(01:02:21):
a little bit more of the sports element to it,
more of like a competition element to it, and we
they have a competition element to it when they feel
like it. But I feel like Triple A said it themselves,
we're booking stories. We're not worried about the match. This
is why you have both companies, like you can you
can go to one if you don't like the other.
This is why it's important to have different styles because

(01:02:45):
one if you want this copy in the other, there's
no there's no need to watch both. Like like I
feel like some like aw's like over the years, they've
used it as a tagline, We're the Alternative, but I
feel like they've really honed in on being the alternative
and not into traps anymore, like, Okay, well, we gotta
bring back this guy, we gotta we gotta have this

(01:03:05):
nostylegia act. Like there's definitely like the style of act
still there, but it's not as prevalent as it used
to be. I feel like they're falling more into what
they feel they're comfortable with because they know their style,
they know who they want to push towards, and that's great.
And as far as like t and A, TNA is
for for a long time, it feels like they've been

(01:03:25):
pushing stories over matches for for like a few years.
It feels like they've been kind of like adopted that style,
like they have good matches. Yeah, they definitely do have
good matches, but it feels like that's not what they're
trying to do and that used to be the heart
and soul of TNA.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
To close us out, no five star matches for Matt
Hardy or the Hardy Boys, damn nigga none, none.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Oh Jeff got any five star matches?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Maybe he can like borrow one and be like, yo,
I'm not looking at up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Fake nigga like brtis nigga five Star match flashing one time,
like Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
See what happens? We got Saturday Nights May event coming up,
John Cena's final match. This nigga's really finna hang it up.
This nigga is really retiring. Bro. Johnsen has been all
over the news cycle. Johnson have been on every podcast,
john Seen have been on every fucking like E been everywhere. Bro,

(01:04:34):
I ain't gonna lie to you. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I didn't seen this nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Do everything this week and last week, and it's like
an overload of some nigga I can't even really see.
It's crazy, it's wild. But we've got Saturday Night's main
event this weekend. I believe it's in Washington, DC, right,
We've got Washing Yeah, man, the the the niggas showing

(01:04:58):
to a MAGA rally. Aren't we so excited? Oh my god?
This is just goody gooddy gum drops.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Vote.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Let's get into it though. Saturday Night's main event this
upcoming weekend. It is this Saturday, as we have talked
about over the last couple of weeks. We've got the
Last Time is Now tournament in the books. We're also
going to get NXT exhibition matches with main roster performers.
So let's go ahead and jump right into it, because

(01:05:33):
this is a big one. And your new nx T
Champion Oba Fimi will face off against the American Nightmare,
the undisputed WWE Champion Cody Rhodes. There is a tag
team match with the World Tag Team champions AJ Styles
and Dragon Lee. They will face off against the Young

(01:05:57):
the y Ns you feel me, Don Evan's and Leon Slater.
And then we've got Bailey facing off against soul Ruka.
And of course the match that everybody has been waiting
to see, the moment that we've all been waiting for
and also dreading but also really excited for because John

(01:06:19):
Cena's final match will be against Gunther the Ring yea
aw this upcoming Saturday. I have a question for you guys,
and we'll break it down. We'll get into the conversation
here Outside of John Cena, which of these matches are
you anticipating the most and whyless?

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Throw to you first, AJ Styles and Dragonly versus the
Wayan Bruffs are definitely the ones I'm looking forward to
because I know this that match will go grazy on
second open Cody. Those are the two matches for me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah, that Ober and Cody. Like I'm sorry, Oba, like
gotta put Cody in the dirt, Like I feel like
that would be the best use of this match in
setting him up, and like there's no shame in like
Oba losing, but there's also no shame in Cody losing either,
and kind of like doing the work of like helping

(01:07:20):
to push Oba. You got him on a national you
got him on a national like show like this where
he's going to be viewed the most that he's ever
been viewed before. You could showcase him and say, Okay,
this dude really dangerous. And that's why I really like
them going with this kind of style because first of all,
all like they called them all niggas like for these

(01:07:42):
for these matches like soul Ruka, the Wyan Brus and
the Obas like Yo meddling it everywhere. But yeah, like Oba,
I feel like he has to have at least like
if he doesn't win, Cody has to win by like
the skin of his teeth, and it has to be
a very dominant showing from Oba.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I agree with that. That's definitely something that I'm looking
forward to how they play that out and how exactly
that match goes. If there's like some Drew McIntyre involvement
that maybe cost Cody the man or you know, because
he's still suspended, but you know what I'm saying, anybody
can still get building. You know what I'm saying. He
might have got a ticket. You know, I'm saying in

(01:08:25):
a maga hat, you know, talking about But for me,
for me, I am looking forward to Bailey versus soul Ruka.
I think soul Ruca's progress and just how fast it
felt like she picked things up and how like fast
she was able to create a connection with the audience.

(01:08:46):
I think that's really special and I think this is
an opportunity for her to really be able to showcase that,
just like Oba is going to have an opportunity to
showcase what he's going to be able to do in
his strength and all those power moves and throwing Cody around,
you know what I'm saying. And this way, that way
from Sunday and then the Wayans is gonna go crazy,
I know, AJ and Dragon Leaf and a bump for them.
They off they're finna have some type of crazy spot

(01:09:09):
cooked up that's gonna be you know what I'm saying,
having social media tripping. But I think soul Ruka and
Bailey are gonna have a really, really good match. And
with what Bailey has been doing with women's wrestling and
training with all like these up and coming prospects and
giving people, you know, so many opportunities, I think this

(01:09:30):
is an opportunity for her to continue to showcase why
she is, you know, who she is, while the company
looks at her like the new Natty in a sense,
and uh, you know, maybe hopefully they do something more
or better with her, you know what I'm saying, in
the near future. But for now, I think Bailey in

(01:09:51):
this role is really dope and I'm really excited to
see it, you know. You know what I'm saying. She homegrown,
you feel me, She from the ya. So of course
I'm always gonna rip for Bailey, but but that, you know,
that's that's definitely what I'm looking for. So when it
comes to that that show, I think that's gonna be
a really dope one. But we've got what everybody is,

(01:10:12):
you know, really anticipating is this Gunther and John Cena match?
They're From the start of it, it felt like, Okay,
Gunther is pretty much a lock, as you know, John
Cena's final opponent, and we kind of went through the
ebbs and flows of the tournament and you know, trying
to fantasy book our way out of it. But no,

(01:10:34):
what is is and this is where we are. It's
a mixed reaction. It feels like in the last couple
of days for Gunther versus John Cena. I know Sena's dad,
feels like it could be somebody else. A lot of
people are saying, maybe he doesn't need it. Ben, what
are you? What are you thinking about this?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Like what kind of feels like a bit of the
same thing with the bron Breaker thing, like this Gunther
hate train, Like why are we push this guy this
way at this time?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I'm gonna say, right, and I've said it before, I
said again, the people crazy slop, They want slop, they
say all the time. Give us the five star matches,
give us the you know, push the guys, you know,
give him to give him these spots and like get
him to a different get him to a different level.
And at Granted, you could have put Carmelo Hayes in
the spot, and I think that would have probably been
the best use of anybody in the tournament. But if

(01:11:28):
you're gonna give it to Gunther, I'm not mad at
that either. I've seen people saying like, oh, well, he
beat Goldberg, why does he get to beat Sena too?
Why not because just a few months ago, not even
a few months ago, just like like I like, back
at WrestleMania, people are, oh, I would love to see
John Cena go up against Gunther for the world title

(01:11:51):
at WrestleMania, and like you guys wanted it back then.
John Cena's father even said that he wanted Gunther to
retire John Cena. And now it's something different. When we
get to the end, I've seen people say it should
be Edged, it should be Randy Orton, should be this guy,
it should be this guy in styles or matches that
doesn't do anything for anybody. And one day we will

(01:12:15):
have a conversation about what this whole retirement tour did
and like what like the good and the bad and
give our overall take on it. But as of right now,
the point that we're at right now, I think this
is the best outcome barring like Carmelo Hayes. Obviously, like
I said, like a minute ago, there's nothing wrong with this,

(01:12:40):
Like like I don't know why people are turning on Gunther.
I don't know what it is. And Gunther is he's
come out and he said it. He's like, I love it.
This is what I'm supposed to be doing. This is
this is how I get paid. You're supposed to hate me.
He doesn't have a problem with it. And you know
you're not supposed to love the heels or whatever. That's
that's not the point of wrestling and everything like that.

(01:13:03):
But as far as like people legitimately complaining and saying like, oh,
we don't want Gunther, it should be this person, it
should be that person. Like nigga y'all, y'all, y'all be
doing the yat and be doing a dance when Jay
User starts the interest, I don't hear nothing. You niggas gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Say the people want they wanted to be l A Knight.
But then okay, so you got your your your choice
and he lost then what what then?

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Yeah, y'all gonna bitch some more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Okay, probably does a Sina lose or does he win
his last match.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
I think he gotta lose. I think he would put
it on there he would lose too, because there's already
been so much damage done to Gunther over the last year,
like with him tapping out to jay Uso and them
putting him in the match with Pat mcavee. I feel like,
y'all like he's playing with him and he's rebounded, like

(01:14:11):
when he had when he got the world title back
and he was had that Mattiss stampongk like, he's definitely rebounded,
come back, run through the tournament and everything like that.
But I don't think that if you want to keep
Gunther a legitimate like star people's eyes, he has to win. Yeah,
he retired Goldberg. That's not really saying much. This nigga

(01:14:33):
was on his last leg anyway. Literally, that's not really
saying all. Like you retiring the goat, I feel like
that washes away some of the you know, some of
the damage that was put on there. And I think
like John Cena would be willing to do the honors
for Gunther and like I seen people say, what would
it do for Gunter? What would it do for Guntherter?
It would kind of like dig him out of the

(01:14:55):
hole that he's in in people's eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
What would he do for gun the he loses because
Johnson's going away, He's not gonna get that win back
if he loses.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Facts facts, and that I think is the important piece
of it. Gunther is gonna clock in the next day.
Sena has already said, I've signed a new deal with
the WWE as of December fourteenth. I am an ambassador,
no longer an in ring performer. That all switches, that

(01:15:25):
all changes. You know what I'm saying. I had to
listen to an hour and a half them. You're two
hours worth of Johnsena content to pull that much from it.
Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
I have yet to want to listen to any of
it because I already know he's gonna robot it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Please you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I get the clips because I feel like John Cena
is a very like with his interviews, he's very washed rains. Repeat.
If you've heard one John Cena interview, you kind of
heard them all, like like he gets like there's some
times where you can like where he gets tripped up
and he says some like some funny shit or he
said something interesting. But for the most part they're kind

(01:16:07):
of like similar, unless unless then he can talking about Peacemaker,
then they're completely different. But as far as like his wrestling,
like interviews and stuff like that, they're very one like,
kind of like one dimensional, one tone.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
But yeah, he's definitely been trained for the pg ERA
and it just never went away.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Super media trained, super media trained. A question for you
to close this out on Saturday night's main event in
John Cena? Where do you have John Cena ranked as
far as like what is his goat status? Like, where
do you have him ranked amongst the people that you
think are the best that we've seen in the industry?

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Unbiased like setting aside my favorites, like I'm I like
growing enough to know my favorite might not be the best.
I would put him. I put him like I put
him a stylid three. I put him behind and this
might be controversial. I put him behind uh Sting and

(01:17:10):
stone Cold.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Are you saying, like, like would that be like your
top five or something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Are you saying my top my top three? I gotta
figure out the other due those status, I put in
like a strong number three. As to the as to
w specifically, if you had to say, like okay, like
his running WE and what he needs to w E,
you can argue you can make an argument that he

(01:17:37):
is number one because of his time on top and
how long he was like at the top of the card,
like as far as like stone Cold, like I love
stone Cold and what he did in the numbers that
he did and everything like that. Stone Colds run at
the top was not as long as Hulk Hogan or
John Cena. So really, when it comes to like the

(01:17:58):
top two, as much as I don't I want to
give his nigga hold Hogan nothing, it's really like, as
far from the w W standpoint, it's a battle between
Hule Cogan and John Cena as far as like who's
getting that top spot and who is really like the
man when it comes to that, because you can say, like, oh,

(01:18:19):
you can make an argument for really both and historically
speaking money wise, ratings wise, you wouldn't be wrong for
picking either one. So I feel like, for if you
give if you like asking me like as far from
like wrestling as a whole, I have a number three WWE,
I would say he's definitely like in the argument for

(01:18:41):
like the tops spot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Got you, Gresh, I'm not necessarily asking for your top
five per se. But as far as like like, do
you see him as one of the goats? Do you
see him as maybe just a legend? Do you see
him as just no, you're good, you're good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
You're good. Good. Now, if I see him honestly, I
see him as a legend. I don't see him as
the goat. I don't see him as the greatest of
all time. That's corporate propaganda to me, But it's not.
That's something that is make that will make me upset
because I understand that he practically raised the generation. I
kind of came up on the tail end of the

(01:19:22):
Rock in Austin, and like Eddie Guerrero and all these
people who like I kind of missed Eddie Guerrero's prime
because I was kind of tapped out of wrestling in general.
I didn't really tap back in until after Eddie died.
So it's like, but then, looking in retrospect, I've considered
him and uh and Stone Cold and the Rock as

(01:19:44):
some of the greatest, greatest entertaining wrestling wrestlers of all time.
And then as John Cena evolved because I was watching
this man in real time from two thousand and five,
all two thousand and five, two thousand and six, all
the way until recent and I'm I'm like, yeah, there
were times where I'm like, yo, this is this nigga's
kind of ass like let's let's let's let's get him

(01:20:05):
off my TV. But that was just me being just like, yo,
I feel like this person should have got pushed. And
that was me being a kid. But as I much
understood the business, I'm like, yo, I understand why he's
where he's at.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
You were definitely right, because that two thousand and nine
twenty ten period was was really rough. It was really
hard to get through. And I was a giant. I
was a giants seeing a kid I had like the
I had, like the posters, I had all this shit
like like something like I had one of the giants
see in the shirts like I wear it, like I

(01:20:40):
stopped wearing out of the public. I was disappointed. I
was like, bro, what did he really doing?

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
And that falls and what really doestly falls on the
booking and the company going corporate slash PG like they're
trying to appease to the kids, and I was I
was a kid from going to a kid to a
teenager to like high school, so of course they weren't
geared to me. And instead of me forcing myself to
get bitter about it, I just went on with my

(01:21:07):
life and started diving into other things that was not wrestling.
And then if you look back at that time two
thousand and nine, ten, we had either had John Cena
Supersena or whatever the fuck they were doing in TNA,
like we were kind of fucked regardless. I didn't really
watch ROH, so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
I didn't know our wage existed until I saw it
on like the like one of like the channels, like
on converter box or whatever. When I was at my
aunt's house, I was like, Yo, what is this? But
I had a question for you. How much of like
that two thousand and nine, like Shitty Run twenty ten,
those like kind of lows and Johnson's career, do you

(01:21:44):
feel like can it be kind of like put on him?
Because johnsena as we know, is the kind of guy
where he was not rocking the boat. What you the
lines you gave him, what was written on paper is
what he said. He never really put his foot down.
He was He's all a guy like the perfect soldier
or whatever. How much of that do you feel like

(01:22:05):
that those blemishes on his legs, how many how much
of that do you feel like it's his fault and
that he should have spoken up? Do you feel like
any of that is his fault?

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Oh, it's definitely some of his fault, because he could
have easily said no, this sounds stupid, and I'm pretty
sure Vince would't be like, Okay, we won't do it
because he was at that point where he was practically untouchable.
So it's like, I feel like he could have easily
said no, I'm not doing this because it's dumb. But overall,
and then in recent and recent memory, like literally those interviews,

(01:22:35):
those snippets of and seeing he ain't nothing changed. He
still gets man, the boss has made a change, but
he's still the same.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Really mentioned in one of those interviews now that now
that you mentioned it, like he's definitely said like he's
gone and said, hey, I understand why you want me
to do this. It doesn't make sense to me. Let's
do it this way type thing. But I feel like
with him, those situations and those instances are like few
and far in between, Like for the most part, ninety

(01:23:04):
nine percent of the time, six out of seven days
of the week, he's gonna be like, cool, this is
what we're doing, all right, bet And even to like
speak to like the WWE on real thing, he confirmed, like, yeah,
that's exactly how that shit went. They all had the conversation,
they planned this shit out. They presented it to me
because I'm the easiest person to bring these things too,

(01:23:26):
and it was like, cool, if that's the wave that
we on, let me go ahead and give my surfboard.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Yeah, because like like you said, like even now, it's
still going on with his retirement tour, because in his
interview with Chris man Bleep, he was like, yeah, they
just wanted me to do like the heel turned for
to have a viral moment because they wanted, uh, the
elimination Chamber to have something big go on. So it
was really manufactured just to just to get that shot.

(01:23:57):
And if I want to ask your I want to
ask your your feelings on that. Do you feel like
like them having no plan for like some of like oh,
like it feels like large chunks of his retirement tour,
how much like same thing, same question that I posed
to wretch. But in this term, how much of that

(01:24:17):
do you feel like falls on John Cena.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
For the way that this heel turn is gone or
did the way.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
That the way that the retirement too is gone as
a whole because it's had it's that high, but it's
definitely had loads.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah, I think it's I mean he said that this
was like three years in the making. You had so
much time to really string this together the way that
like it could have come off a lot more put together,

(01:24:53):
because as soon as you lost the element of the rock,
it felt like, all right, we're scrambling now, and like
nobody in this situation is Randall Cunningham. We all just
trying to figure out what the fuck is going on
and if the rocks out like we got a pivot,
and I feel like the pivot that they did it
took a little bit too long to come around, and

(01:25:14):
when it finally did come around, it was time to
move the fuck on, and like you gotta said, like,
that's pretty much what we did. So I would say
it's a fifty to fifty thing. It's it's John Cena,
and it's on the company because they decided to go
this way and when ship like went left based off
of the efforts that they were making and the decisions

(01:25:35):
that they made as far as how this fair World
store was gonna go. I feel like the effort once
shit went left was lackluster. I'm gonna ask this to
be your last John Cena question.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
I don't got nothing else. I don't got nothing else.
I'm eating that, like yo, that was a good answer,
good answer, But but uh no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
For the for the most part, though, I have enjoyed
the time of what this farewell tour has been just
because if I'm being realistic, the booking to me doesn't
really matter. You know, this is the final year that
I'm gonna be able to see John Cena as a performer.
I'm glad that I got to see him do some

(01:26:20):
dope shit along the way. And you know, like, how
much of this is actually gonna be like remembered in
the grand scheme of things. It's gonna feel like some
of those lulls. Maybe you know that we're talking about
two thousand and two thousand and eight ten, where he
wasn't hitting as you know hard as you know as

(01:26:40):
some points of his career, but for the most part,
a one man job well done.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
It's all about how they close, how they that final
shot is all on him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, to echo what you guys said. This definitely third
time into Her to me encapsulates his career of like,
there's some good moments, there's some shitty moments, but you
just gotta ride away.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Oh yeah, don't make your personality hate the man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
It is what it is on Geo d Man. What
else do we have on our list here of things
that we're gonna talk about. We talked about La Night,
We talked about Brown Breaker, Matt and Dax and stupid
shit mask man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
I don't know who it is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
It's somebody and it's gonna be somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Hey, Yo, there are reports going out like they have been,
and I wish I could remember the site who put
their port out. But it's been multiple people under the mask,
like there haven't been just one. A lot of people
speculated that Montest Forward has been one of the masks
to step in as the mask man or whatever. And

(01:27:50):
to be honest with you, I'm not mad if they
do add Montest Forward in, I feel like they would
have to do with like a you know, a good
portion of explain Paul Hayman has always been very high
on the street profits, so getting able, so being able
to get him into the group. I feel like he

(01:28:11):
would be well taken care of, but the writing would
have to be good. The whole thing about the mask Man.
The problem that I have is how long are they
going to keep running this? Because if you keep running
this for a good portion of time, no one's gonna
care when he is a masked.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
I'd say the first I feel like he's gonna play
an outcome on the punk versus break match and then
get unmasked. Like it shouldn't go past that to me personally, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
I'm just like, yo, I'm just good. You got oh
okay me okay. Yeah, Like I just think like at
a certain point with this type of stuff like they have,
they'll have like lightning in a bottle or they're lightning
in a bottle is too strong word. They'll have something

(01:29:07):
cooking and they'll leave that shit on the stove so
long all the water then evaporated out of the pot,
the like you the smoke detectors going off and and
you're left with nothing. Because Triple H is addicted to
long term, extra long term storylines like Nigga, I say

(01:29:28):
long term looking, but like, damn this nigga like live
legit like bro, Like I feel like, you know, they
try to like make more out of it then than
there than is actually there instead of striking when the
iron is hot, and I feel like, like what like
what you said, Like, I feel like, you know, if
you're gone, Like the farthest this should go out is

(01:29:48):
that match with Punk and bron and where he could
be revealed. But I'm thinking no terms that it should
go past that to the Royal Rumble or anything else
like that, Like, yo.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
Let's wrap it up, yeah, because after that opening match,
you have four weeks into the Rumble, two long.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
This should be the first raw of twenty twenty six
for the reveal. I don't know who it is. You
can put anybody up under that mask for the next
two and a half three weeks. I'm not finna fall
into this fucking trap of trying to fantasy book somebody
that I want to be in that spot. Whatever y'all
putting that motherfucking spot, whoever's under the mask. When it's

(01:30:29):
time to let me snatch it off and do the
big whoop reveal, it better be fucking good.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
That's all can makes sense. It's your job to make
it make sense. Now my job the fantasy book on
your behalf or none of that ship is up. It
is your job to make it make sense and to
make me give a fuck, because hey, I'm one guy
who who tries to give y'all the benefit of the doubt.
Put after a while, I just stopped giving the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
It gets hard.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
I'm grown man. At this point, I'm aging like I'm
not the kid. I don't I don't do the whole.
Oh my god, it just keep up a lot. Let's
keep it strong, guys, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Come on, no, no, no, we ain't doing none of that. Man,
We ain't doing none of that. We ain't doing none
of that. And I will tell you this, this show
will no longer be airing on Twitter come twenty twenty six.
You will catch this exclusively on YouTube possibly Twitch. We'll
talk about it. But and you know now, so I'm

(01:31:27):
telling you in two weeks or at the top of
the year, when we you know what I'm saying, get
to you know what I'm saying, really get into it.
You ain't gonna see this so on Twitter x whatever
you want to call it until there's a pay per view,
a post show or something like that, and that's when
we'll pop in. You know what I'm saying. You can
fuck around with your fellow fellas, but until then, Public
Enemy's HQ across the board, make sure you follow, subscribe

(01:31:50):
all the shit, all the shit, all the shit I am.
Oh my god, Graham, it's been great. Shout out to Jisel,
shout out to Kool Joe. We'll see you niggas in
a minute. You feel me, But hey, that's all I
got to say, man, Ben let him know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Hey, you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok at, unscored,
centemized score, RP Sheen Nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Yeah, Jeff Garcia rest in peace, my guy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Oh and Doug Demadome.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Yeah, man, damn too, both voices. No no, look another
past too. Just mute yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Demsday dead. That one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Nig niggas is dying. You know what I'm saying in
the voiceover world the fuck yeah man?

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Well hey man, but yeah, you can follow me at
his grass everywhere else. Uh least pot finale is Tuesday,
and then we will see y'all in twenty twenty six.
On that front, and same deal over there, YouTube tune in,
no Twitter because y'all don't be watching for real and

(01:33:00):
uh yeah, new home for it as well, YouTube dot com,
slash adage gresh uh that will be the home of
grest On least pot in twenty teen and sixty going forward.
So hope you guys enjoyed everything we brought to the table,
the conversation, all the good shit. No goot to call you, Jizsel.

(01:33:23):
We miss you, Jizzle Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Take us home man until next week. Enjoy your time
with your family, Happy holidays, keep shit going. You feel me.
We're gonna holler at y'all. You know what I'm saying
in a couple of days. You know what I'm saying,
y'all talk about Johnston is fucking retiring. I'm tripped out.
You feel me over it, but it is what it is.
You feel me. But until the next time we holler.

(01:33:47):
Take care of yourselves and each other, y'all be easy.

Speaker 7 (01:33:52):
Some of you gonna go home tonight and feel like
you've been robbed. Some of you made it rob Some
of you don't belong in the category. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
I would day no when I get nervous I tell
the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Mm hm