Episode 23 - Is it Giallo? With Sam Panico - Punk Vacation: An Unofficial Vinegar Syndrome Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hello y'all, Happy July.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Welcome Back upon Vacation, an unofficial Vinegar Syndrome podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
This is Chris.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
We are right now episode twenty three, So thank you
all for joining me on this journey so far. Started
this podcast as a way of a kind of looking
at and finding joy and unfettered creativity, which I think
is something that I associate deeply with Viinger syndrome. I'm
trying to use this as a platform dedicated to bringing
awareness and context to movies of any budget, from anywhere

(01:13):
and during any time. Everything I just said is there's
no better personification of this than Sam Panico. He's a
host of BNS about movies, co host of Driving Asylum,
frequent special features contributor all around Encyclopedia Film Sam, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thanks for having me again. Man, this is exciting. These
are big months in July. Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I didn't even know what to do because it's like
it's like this halfway to Black Friday boom, It's like
this bomb and then it's a break, and then early
July boom another bomb, and I was like, I don't
even know what to do from like a podcasting perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And I'm glad to be on because I drive my
wife nuts because I like run upstairs and tell her
stuff and then she'll be like I don't care, like
I ran up the tower idea. I'mic, like, look, I
know you don't care about like Monster Sharks come out
on four K and I'm really excited about it, and
she's like, I don't give a shit, like it's fine,
and like she loves me, right, I know that, but
like also she's like, you know, I'm like, what's let's
go justa that's coming out four K and like you

(02:11):
know then it's never been before K and she's like,
don't you have like three copies of that like from
VHS that yeah, yeah, but I don't have it on
four K. And it's like then my phonemo kicks in
and I try to find like something in her life
that is like the same level of it, but there
I don't know if there is anything right, Like it's
like the nuttiness that we have, Like this is like

(02:31):
the Christmas for us right where it's like, what's that
stuff that's going to come out? And like those days
of like especially the last week we just got through
of like every day there were sales and like something
new coming out, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Between Umbrella just had Absolute just bangers, Yeah, Imprint jumping
into the game, Eureka announcing great stuff second coming out then,
plus several and Vinegars. It's just boom boom boom boom boom.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh It's I get emails tofferent labels and I'm like,
oh my god, I can't believe this is coming. And
I'm like, oh, it's just so much stuff. And it's
like I always joke about it, like I'm looking at
my shops now and I'm like, I will die before
I watch all these But you know what, I don't care,
Like you know, like that's the fun thing of it.

(03:18):
It's like why but I do have them, and the
potential exists, and like that potential of like and also
like I always thought when I first started really getting
hard into this and writing about movies, I'm.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Like, am I gonna run out of stuff?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Right? Like do you ever think that, like these movie drugs?
Am I gotta like run loose on my supply? And
like but no, like i keep finding stuff and I'm
doing like vanity projects next week for the site like
movies that like you know, people star and wrote, directed,
did everything, and like it made me love movies all over.
I watched like like at least three movies that I know,

(03:53):
like normal people would hate, and like halfway through, I'm like,
this totally like this one movie, like I would a
couple of them, I would like hesitate to call him
a film, and like I love it. I'm like, this
is totally for me, and it makes me so excited.
I'm like, oh now I can apply like what I've
seen in this to other movies, so that you know.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
There's like there's the low budget, mid budget and the
high budget version of that. It's rare that I talk
about new movies. But have you seen Black Adam yet?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, I haven't seen yet.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Got to see it. Yeah, it sucks, it's really bad.
But is this the rock Black Adam?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah? Yeah, Okay, I do want to see it because
I love I love the character, but just unchecked ego,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
He does things in that movie that you're like, fuck,
I can't believe he got away with that from a
script perspective.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, I want to see it just because of that.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Like you know, Umbrella announced that they're putting out the
Psychic You're not the psych of the Astrologer, which is
one of my all time favorite movies, right, and like
that movie is totally on a much smaller budget. It's
like the Lunacy of One Man of Craig dannehy ye, right,
And it's like I love that he like sent the
Moody Blues a check freeze and their music in his movie.

(05:02):
And they're like, that's not how it works, and he's like, yeah,
it is. Pay me, like what, like he might not
even be dead, Like some people think he's dead. Some
people don't, Like these are the people that should be
making movies, right, but the rock is like on a
huge level that Like I love that he had like
supposedly these are all rumors, right, but that's what wrestling's

(05:24):
all about, Like these rules, like Vin Diesel could only
hit him so many times and he would have to
get this many it's in and I'm like, yeah, that's
the stuff I want to see. And then these movies
like I love bombs more than legitimate movies probably like
I love likes, yeah, I do, Like I'm fascinated by
like and so I hold off on watching him till

(05:45):
like people have forgotten about him, like Wild Wild West,
I'm almost ready to watch and like, oh, what's an
uh John Carter? Like those kind of movies where it's
like when you see the credits are like especially like Black,
It'm sure and way, like ten thousand people worked on
this movie, Like people paid their houses with this movie. Yeah,

(06:05):
and then like I love that, like even the costs
that went into it, Like Superman hopefully is good, right,
but like the amount of money that went into it
and also went into like there's no way these movies
can make money anymore. Like they cost like two hundred million,
and then it costs two hundred million to sell them,
and it's like they have to be big all over
the world. Yeah, maybe they'll make back a hundred thousand.

(06:29):
It's like if you ever seen when the Kids in
the Hall came back and did that that one season,
it starts with like someone buying a copy of Bring
kd at a at a barage sale and for a
quarter and we finally broke even and that way can
come back and they dig them up from their graves
and they're we're alive again, Like let's bring Katy finally?
Is not a bomb? And it's like, but I like that,

(06:51):
Like I'm fascinated. Like at one point these movies were
like a really big I guess there's a couple in
this list, like you know, and especially in the stuff
that came out in June, like that are like you
could consider them bombs or there's a fine line between
like bomb and like cult movie, right, And it's weird
when they come out because like I'm doing like the

(07:11):
CBS leap movie movies now, like Smoking the Bandit three
is one of the movies I'm watching and like, Okay,
that's not a cult movie, but it is because like
but it was like a huge release when it came out,
but like now people have.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Forgotten about it.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah. Yah, it's it's like how anton will they talk about?
Like the most satanic music is like music that no
one is currently listening to anymore, Like yes, we have
no bananas who said it was the most satanic song
because at one point it was number one and now
no one's listening to it. So if you're listening to
it at any time, you are the only person in
the world that is able to hear its power or
he was crazy too, but whatever, But like it's the

(07:45):
same thing, like at some point, like you know, it's
a big first weekend for Smoking the band at three,
and then it just goes and just goes. And also
I love the legend of that movie that originally it
was called Smoky is the Bandit and Jackie Lisa was
both roles. And people saw the test screens they're like, wait,
he's both bandit and Smoky and they're like yeah, and

(08:07):
people are like, yeah, I don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I like, I want to see that. That's the movie
I want to see.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And then they want to call back Burt Reynolds. He
made like his million he like slut walked through his part,
like cool, Like that's a fine movie. But also those
movies are like weird cality to me because like, you know,
growing up with HBO, all you had was like Smoky
a Bandit in Sharpe's Machine, and like you've got a
lot of Burt Reynolds and like and that's all my
grandfather watches. Like you want to watch Hooper again? I'm like,

(08:33):
I guess we have nothing else to do. We'll watch
Hooper again.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, that's what I mean. Okay, we'll go right back
into Vinegar syndrome. But I'm a defender of the hell
Raisers sequels, like the Yeahs far A sequels, because at
some point they just go off the rails and like
there's a scene. There's one of them I forget like
six or seven, where like twenty percent of the movie
is like.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Some orgy on a train.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, you're just like what in the world, Like, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
So many of them were started as other movies too,
and they're like, hey, we're not going to get to
make this. Well that's a toll razor, Yeah, exactly. So
they're like, I know Erica from On some Horse has
seen every one of them in the theater. Oh yeah,
and she's like and I will defend these movies. And
I'm like, good, like you know, someone asked to Yeah,
She's like, except for you know, obviously the horrible one

(09:16):
that was on is that Netflix? At that one round,
I was like, well the new one or whatever. Yeah,
the coolest thing that Doug Bradley lives in Pittsburgh, Okay,
and like he'll come to the driving every once in
a while when we do like the all night driving nights,
and like one night I was like, super high, let's
just say, and I was going to the bathroom and
I looked to the left of me and like Pennhead's

(09:36):
PN next to me, And I'm like, well, fuck, if
anything else happens in my life, it can't be this cool, right,
Like right, that's awesome. Like they did is they brought
a birthday cake fromim his birthday and like him and
Savini ate cake together at the drive in and then
we watched like, uh, Nail, what do you call it?
Toolbox Murders? Hell, yeah, I mean that's I guess I
thought I was dead. I'm like, I'm in Evan, obviously,

(09:58):
this is what happened. Is is like, right, doesn't get
in better?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Maybe that's a decent segue into franchise horror. Yeah, one
of the interesting things I think that's been like a
trend in Beneger syndrome in the last few months or
this year. Let's just say to release it's their first
time to release a film from a well known director,
like their first Argento, their first Baba. Yeah, and now
they can say their first Romero, right, which is cool.

(10:27):
So a pretty like a movie that didn't really have
much of a reputation in the dark half kind of middling,
and it was my first time seeing it.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I had not seen it before. Wow, okay, ye had
you seen it?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I mean legally because I'm from Pittsburgh, I had to
see every George Ramiro movie.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
So yeah, I didn't see it. Do you see it
in theaters or like, uh, no, I.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Saw it on it didn't play here in theaters, or
if it did, it was like two days. I somehow
saw two evil Eves in the theater. Don't ask me how.
I played literally a day in adult theater, the same
as Dirty Work, same exact theater, it only played. Yeah,
And like, but then I saw it on VHS first
week when it came out, and yeah, I was super

(11:10):
into it. I think that's the time in my life
when it came out that I was very like ninety three.
So I'm like, uh, first like second year of college,
reading Stephen King all the time, super excited for it,
and like any Georgia Merra project that happens in Pittsburgh
is like Jesus came back for another day.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Like it's kind of h all the wee too, So
I kind of dig that, especially the combination of Romero
and Stephen King, Like, yeah, that combination is going to
get a lot of horror fans pretty stoked.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, it's not as good as Creep Show, but I
think I can say that creep Show is like the
height of their their union and then but it's good.
I've like The Dark Half didn't. People didn't like it
when it came out. I don't know what they were expecting,
and like, I think over time, I've come to enjoy
it more. Also because I think both King and Ramero

(12:01):
made worse stuff after so it's like, this is good.
It's way better in Bruiser. I think that's like the
line that you draw with Stephen King. I feel like
Bruiser you'll like or not. King of Romero, you're like
everything he did. But uh, yeah, it's it's good. It's
I think there's definitely stuff from working with our gianta

(12:22):
that rubbed off on him, like you know, the duality.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
But yeah, it's it's wild that it's like, hey, here's
I don't know who. That's what's kind of cool about
the last like two months. I don't know who was
asking for a four K of The Dark Half, but
here it is. If you want it, right, I'm sure
there's somebody. Every movie is somebody's favorite movie. There you go, Yeah,
what did you think of it? You know, I've had

(12:48):
a weird relationship.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
With these nineties movies, right because there's a certain aesthetic,
there's a certain way they were shut that you just
feel everything feels during nineties, and for a long time
I didn't like it, Like I would just straight up
to say I don't like nineties movies. But I'm kind
of coming full circle on it a little bit, like
I think you just have to. Like, there was a
there was a really cool set of movies that was released.

(13:13):
It's actually I think it's actually a newer movie, but
it was released in the in the spirit they were
made to replicate all the nineties cinemats like erotica stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
And they just came out from Dark Star. Hold on,
let me get the name really quick. It was Sapio
Sexual and Taboo Family Secrets. Have you seen that release.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I haven't seen that release, but I've been super into
rewatching nineties or stuff because that we Kill for Love doc.
Yeah yeah, yeah, exhaustive, yeah, five hours long, And I
was like this, this is totally me. Like I watched
every Gregory Dark movie. Well, there's hard not enough Gregory
Dark on it. I will say that there should be more,
but there should be ALLOS movies. But I love that era.

(13:57):
And it's weird because like I remember when I went
to Scarecrow, they have a section just for like ninety
cinemax stuff like and I think it's funny because like
I can make an argument like, hey, these are these
are well shot like art movies, and then like my
wife was like, there's porn, and I'm like, no, that's
not why I'm watching them. Like I could watch porn,
but I choose to watch these, you know, and like

(14:18):
night Eyes, but they they are I mean, you know,
it's like but there is like a big like I
feel like a return to there's a weird nostalgia that
happens as long as we don't get a nostalgia for
the two thousands horror stuff where everything felt blue like
that black like crushed black and everything's blue. Yeah, but

(14:38):
it's happening already, Like you know, there's a new I
know what you did last summer coming out and like
I just watched the whole I was stuck in the laundromat,
but I watched the whole Entertainment tonight about it.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
They can play that same scene where she's in the field, you.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Said, Bard you wait for I'm like, I hated this
movie when it came out. I hate it now and
I hate there's another generation out of it.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
But here it is. And you know there's a Yeah,
I think there's there's that. And there's also the two
thousand era satire like spoofs.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh yeah, post scream spoof or like the spoof film
is like a scary movie.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
No, well no, so scary movie is like a work
of genius compared to stuff that came out later.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, there's there's this one duo.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I can't remember something some people won't, but they just
made the worst spoof.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Oh, the guys have made like Superhero movie a disaster movie.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
That's the one. Yeah, they're just like not funny. No,
And there's that.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Movie forty seven. I think it is the other one.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, that'll that'll groove.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, because like it's hard because like I love like
the Groove Tube and Amazon, Woman on the Moon and
Kentucky Fried movie.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Like all those are what are good?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, And like I've tried to convince my wife to
watch you since she's like I hate movies like this.
I'm like, you hate the stuff you've seen after like
everything posts sas Brothers, like Post Make a Gun the
Top Secret, Like I about Top Secret all the time.
She's like, I'm never gonna watch that movie, and I'm like,
I love like I love it. And maybe it's because
we were young, right, like the Loaded Weapons and now

(16:09):
there's a couple of those ones where it's like, yeah,
Hotshots is another one because it has the scene where
Martin Sheen sales Past the Sun and they're playing the
characters from each of their movies and they wave at
each other, like I laughed so hard just I'm getting
I'm laughed out just thinking about it. And it's like
it's kind of like it is again that same thing
as this foreign or is this but it's like is
this funny or is it stupid? I don't care, Like

(16:30):
I laugh at it like I laugh at Kentucky Fried
movie all the time, Like it's.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
A movie is funny, It's just a funny. Yeah, I
don't know that. Yeah, anyways, but I guess to not go.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
But I hope that that Vinder syndrome doesn't put out
like Movie forty seven and that's when they're like, you know,
like this is an unappreciated classic.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
The good news is that they're all like our age,
you know, so they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, I remember already from work went to see that,
like this is gonna be great, and like it was like, oh,
the first sketch and it's like so over the top,
and they're like, oh, this is awesome. And then like
ten minutes of that of it's screaming in your face.
I cooine leave the theater. I still own it, but
you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
So the dark half for me is like it's it's
one of those ones that I'm feeling nostalgic for even
though I hadn't seen it before.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
And I think, and I know in these movies.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Like especially a Stephen King's story, just like wait to
let the movie play out, and it'll get interesting, Like
even if it kind of is, you know, even if
it's a little bit clumsy like in the beginning, like
just wait, like the.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Story, it'll get interesting. And it did.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I think it's it's not an amazing movie, but there's
enough in there. George Ramot does the commentary on the release,
which is great, and you don't have to get the
you know, massive chunky edition, if you just want the commentary,
you can get the standard.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
So yeah, but then they.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Did release Speaking of nineties erotica, they came out with
Jade as well.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah. I had never seen Jade until this year, okay, right,
And all I knew with Jade was that scene in
fourty year Old Virgin where he's like, you know, how
talk to women? Talk to him like Jade, and I
just keep asking him questions and like that's all I
knew of it. And I was like, so I went
into it thinking we talked about bombs and how I
love bombs. Jade's a great example of it, of Ruin

(18:27):
what's his Nameth career till you got back on CS
and like, but then I went into it like, oh,
this is an American Jallo, and I think that's what.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Happens with speaking of bad movies.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That get reappreciated and their bombs, Like I Know, Who
Killed Me is a movie I love and it feels
like a Vetriger Central movie at some point, and like,
but if you watch it, every critic they hated it.
I was like, well, if you watch it and think
it's a jams we watched on our show. People are like, oh, yeah,
this is totally like it makes a lot of sense now,
Like but if you watch us, like this is a
narrative movie, you probably get hated it. And Jane feels

(19:00):
the same way, like also Jade. It very much feels
like that, oh we're being so naughty, Oh be so dirty.
And it's like we've seen it, like if you watch
cinemaxic Cake, i't see this stuff. I just haven't seen
it with like major actors, right, Like I haven't seen
like major important directors make sleazy movies like this, And

(19:24):
I mean Waynam freaking make the French connection. And he
also made Jade.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
But it's like it's also another one of those.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's another Joe Estherhouse Vinerger Syndrome release, after Sliver and Showgirls.
It's just such a weird movie. I love Linda Florentina
so much, and it's another movie where she's like stuck
doing the last seduction again.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I can can't get out of it.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, but it's good. I mean, I don't know, what
did you think. I'm interested to see.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
That she's got that sultry look to her, that just
plays perfectly for these kind of movies, right, thanks, Yeah,
she just kind of holds it.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
So I didn't like Jane, But.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I do think it's an interesting, like cultural kind of
curio because I just, you know, I like it when
movies take a chance and there's a lot of stuff
they did creatively in here.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
That's just the car chase is great, Like it's it
just like breaks the narrative flow of the movie.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, and we're gonna have this car chase exactly. Uh yeah,
And I think I don't know, And what's the what's
the whole premise around collecting? What is it they're they're collecting,
Like in the beginning, there's that sequence where they go
in and it's not Oh, shoot, hold on, I gotta

(20:44):
I gotta look this up. Because the whole just the whole,
Like the fact that they would build the whole plot
around them the killer using like this one item.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, just made me laugh. It's very basic instinct, right,
It's like, give us another basic instinct like that one worked.
And like also, I think if it came out today,
people would like it even more, one because they know
him from CSI, and two like we've this came out
before we live through the true crime TV culture and

(21:14):
they're like, oh, semens everywhere and we have to find it,
do you know what I mean? And there's a lot
of that, like a lot of like let's get women
all and let's get blue light and try to find
the sperm. And also like very shocking that like Richard
Krann is getting cooked you know, it's such a chess
palmiery and it's like.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I don't know, yeah, yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
That was one thing is like I can't see chess
pulmonary like that, Like I just can't. Like he's miscast. Yeah,
he's just not that guy.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
No, it's it's a weird cast. And it's like.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's a it's a conceit too, Like there are movies
I like where there's no one the root for, but
this movie has no one at all to root for.
Everybody's horrible. And then you're like an hour and forty
five minutes then like what am I funk? Am I doing?

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like what if I watch it? And like I mean
it's gonna lead to something.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
But there's like even the most obtus have like a
murder plot that we like can go onto at some point. Yeah, Yeah,
that's maybe because it's just like a like a movie
where they're like, we will relentlessly nobody. We don't want
anyone to like this. And also it's a big release.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It's a big ally would release.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
And so now that it's like it was like a
big movie, now it's like, hey, it is a vinegar
centro movie. Because it's like at one point this was
in the cover of Entertainment Weekly when that was still
a thing, you know what I mean, and like people
were talking about it and it was like in like uh,
Jay Leno talked about it in his monologue, and these
are all things that are gone right, but like today

(22:48):
if you're like, if you remember Jade there, I don't
think so yeah, you know, perfect for a fifty dollars, Yeah,
yeah there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
It's interesting speaking of that because this so we're gonna
get right into Scare Jessica and The Dirty Work next.
All four releases are fit into this category of like
major release, you know, Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, So it is interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
To watch this kind of up and down with vinegar
syndrome now around. I guess I'm kind of picking up
a pattern that around the sales they're going to release
like the major movies. Yeah, either through VSU or through
the main line. I guess even the stripticks had less
Tango in Paris, so even yeah, one of the labels
is gonna have it.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, I think that that's I think it's kind of
like a these are the movies that are gonna draw.
They're always going to sell movies to you and me, right,
we're like, well, definitely here you buying the whole year,
and but to me too, they're like, oh, these are
five down the Crimson Campus is like you know, in
second something to buy buy that right, Like that's like

(23:54):
that's totally me. But like some of these other ones,
like yeah, maybe I went by J but there are
people that are like, oh, i've I want this and
I and I love this and like oh that's and
it brings them in to see other things that are
on the site, and I think that's the cool thing.
It's hard though, because it's like it's the same thing
like with labels, right, Like I remember, like I was

(24:14):
super into like Deaf Jam when I was a kid,
and like when Death America came out, I'm like cool,
Like they have like Slayer and Dance, like like those
are two solid bands, and then they just start adding
like like do these bands? Is there any aesthetic Deaf
America and the like? You know, but it's not my company,
so I can't argue it. A lot of times. That's
one thing I've learned, Like I always read a lot
of fans like complain about stuff, and it's like, cool,

(24:36):
well you're not you put like fifty bucks into these
blue rays, but maybe you're not putting like thousands in
your feeding thirty people, do you know what I mean? Like,
and like, once you run your own company, you're like, oh, okay,
I can see why they put out maybe not Jane
but other stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, yeah, I know stuff that they know is going
to sell, right Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Because then then it's like, oh, then by doing this
thing we know is going to sell, that enables us
to do something that's wow, Like that's crazy that that
came out. Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I guess we've been talking about studio releases that
flopped a little bit. There's another kind of category of
studio releases that just fascinate me when they kind of
fall in that category of I can't believe they were
pitched in greenlit and made and let's Scare Jessica to
Death fits that category for me. Yeah, Like there's just

(25:24):
a disconnect. I think that this is going to hit
a mainstream audience.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's it's weird because it's coming out at the end
somewhere in the midst of the New Hollywood kind of
feel right. And it's like it was originally called They
Drink Hippie Blood, which is a great title. Yeah, but
it's like but also it's like it's such a weird

(25:49):
dreamy Like I always think like if you went to
the movie theater or the drive and probably to see
this and you're like, oh, I'm expecting a vampire movie,
I'm gonna hate it.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
But if I'm coming in to get like a.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Drama about a woman losing her mind, I'm probably gonna
hate its. It's too much horror. It like exists in
this like world, like weird Nether world of stuff. It's
also almost like and it's better than these movies, so
I'm not putting it down. It's like an early age
like eight twenty four wishes it did movies like this.
It's very much to do, you know what I mean,
where it's like, hey, we don't know what the fuck

(26:23):
this is, but it's weird and like and you can read.
You can make your own movie up of whatever whatever
you want it to be about. That's what it's about.
That's why I love it. I mean literally, I have
it sitting next to me. I bought this, Like I
texted like five people about it. I texted Bill who
does driving signal with me? I'm like, did Janey's Like
you already order it? Like it was like no thought
process whatsoever. Because like again, like I've bought this so

(26:45):
many times and I've watched it so many times, and
always it's a movie. I feel like I always get
something new out. But I love that. Like at some
point someone was like I love that like post easy
Rider thing where they're like, you know, like the last movie,
the Hopper movie, people are like, yeah, he knows what's up.
He knows what the kids like. No Brisky points another

(27:07):
one where they're like, certainly the kids want this movie,
no skid do they want it? No? And it's like
I love movies like that, you know what I mean?
I may let rus Meyer make like real Hollywood movies,
like you know, they gave him money to do three
of them and and not on his own and it's
like at that point, like Hollywood was like, oh, let's

(27:27):
just try shit to see if it works.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Like I think i've let's scare.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Jessica to death, who is like a Saturday night horror
movie kind of thing, and like that's when I first
saw it, of like very much like on a UHF
channel and fade it out and like to have like
a four K of it now and like to like
it's wild that we have these like perfect versions of movies.
And then meanwhile, in my head, I still remember him
these like you know, the worst quality, yeah, the worst quality, fuzzy,

(27:54):
staticky versions.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well yeah, I mean have you seen that movie The
Witch you came from the scene, Oh yeah, I love it? Yeah, amazing, right,
and one of these like dreamy sort of women having
a mental breakdown kind of, yeah, something going on. There's
a few of these that I don't know that that
sub genre I think is just fascinating, and like I
think let's go just good to death is.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Probably I don't know.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
I mean, I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Say the best because I really love what You Came
from the Sea, but they're just it's just like it's
such a well constructed movie and it's yeah, and the
premise is just simple if you like, describe a one
line of just like there's this house and it's as vampires.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
But like but the way that they go about it
and tell it is just kind of otherworldly and like
it's just it's it's everything I love in a movie
real honestly, because you don't really know what ever, you
don't ever really fully settle into feeling comfortable.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's like you feel like you're in the same world
as this person, you know, as much as they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
of what's going on? And like I have a theory
that like all of these places are all like dot
the coastline, right, so like all these movies exists in
the same universe, Like uh interesting, Like Messiah Evil is
like ten miles away, great example, right from.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Here, Like it's just another coastal water country.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah. I get that they're on different coasts, right, but
like it's just like wow, like that's it's always it's
upsetting a woman. A woman is stuck in another cool
one and this hasn't come out from anyone. Is a
name for evil? The Rubbert Culp Samantha Egger movie. Okay,
it's about like a man his wife moved to the country.
It's a weird town. The house probably doesn't want them there.

(29:32):
If there's a church next door that is into some
weird sex and stuff, rubber colpsticks in it, like it's
like in Penthouse produced it like it's wild and like
you're like, oh, it's this like weird seventies feel of
like we got through the hippies, We're past manson what's
going to happen next. We're all going to sell out

(29:52):
and be Republicans of course, but they don't know that yet.
And like Dark August is another one the Era put
out a couple of years ago where it's like, if
you move from the big city to the small town, yeah,
you're gonna get fucked up. Yeah, And there's like something
waiting for you in this town. And it's but it's
very Lovecraftian of whatever it is, it is it vampires

(30:13):
and let's scare Jasca.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Is it just the other or whatever is there?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, And that's what I dig about it, where it's
like the right movie Jessica does it really well?

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Messiah does it really well? It's like Messiah does it great?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Because they didn't even finish filming it, it's like, oh,
fit fixed in the edit right, and it's like but
it's like a magnificent accident that it works so well,
and also a movie that like nobody talked about. Maybe
they did, but not like now now it's like a classic,
but for years it was like, oh, that's that thing
that's on a mill.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Creek, take sure.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
And Jessica feels like that too, where it's like now
when you watch it, you're like, oh, I love when
people talk over talk about things, and like this is
like a French new wave movie and it has all
these things and like yeah, but it's also a movie
people went to the driving to watch. And it's like
I always believe that, like there's like a nexus of
art house and grindhouse and they're very close. Yes you
know what I mean. And it's like you can see

(31:04):
this as art or you can be like, yeah, I
like to see people get killed, and you know it's
either way.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I was just I was just talking to somebody who's
I guess younger, and they're kind of getting in the
muse a little bit and they're expanding and there they
really love franchise horror, but they're kind of expanding a
little bit. And I said that exact thing to him
maybe a day or two ago we were talking about
I was like, look, man, like your film school is
going to talk about Fellini, like if you stripped, if

(31:31):
you watch a Fellini movie, forget all the reputation, just
watch a Fellini movie. He's doing some of the most
batshit creative stuff. And there's really no difference between him
with basically an uncapped budget just using whatever comes to mind,
and somebody making an Soov film. Like the films might
look different, but it's a similar thing if you're just

(31:53):
getting like that full, unrestrained sort of creativity from people
that are weird, and it makes is wonderful thing to watch.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I was telling you before we started about that new
Chainsaw documentary that's coming out, and like there's one part
where Stephen King talks about that, Like what he loved
about the first time he saw Chainsaw was that it
felt like a movie about maniacs made by maniacs. And
then he met Toby Hooper and he's like, he's a
very nice person, but he's like he's also a lunatic,
Like and like I love that Toby Hooper thinks that

(32:25):
Chainsaw is a comedy. That's why when he made Chainsaw Too,
he's like, oh, yeah, what's a comedy too. I don't
know why people are so upset. It's like, have you
watched the movie that you've made? But yeah, and like, also,
like I loved it within Chainsaw, Like there's a whole
world of people that only know it from the sequels
and like the action figures and like the merch made

(32:46):
for the video games and stuff. You go back and
watch the first one, it's like it's a really weird movie.
There's a lot of close ups on eyeballs. There's an
Armadelo in the beginning of it that we close up
on for a long time. There's like sun spots in
the beginning of it. Yeah, and it's like it's also
there's that whole really long scene of them trying to
get Grandpa to use the hammer and he can't, and
it's like, oh wow, Like even leatherfaces like just maybe

(33:08):
doesn't know what he's doing, like and he's randomly kills people,
but it's like he doesn't know what he's doing. And like,
but like, and also what I really love about it
is there's so many people that went to see it
because it's based on a true story, and like they watch.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
It like it's the most violent movie ever.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's not really comparatively after we've made it through like Friendship,
Stream War and all this other stuff, It's not that
violent of a movie. It suggests more than it gives
and that's what's great about it. And like, but that's
the one that I would definitely say is like it
depends on what theater you see it in.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
You could have seen it a print of it and
a drive in and got.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Something of it, or you could have watched it like
a revival house and someone came out and gave a
very erudite speech about it before. And it can give
you both of those things. That's probably the best example
I think of a movie that hits both those sides.
And then it played with Torso across the US, which
I love, Like that was it was married with Torso
for a while time. And then Autopsy too played a

(34:07):
triple bill with it. I what a downer, like three
total like destruction of humanity movies in a row. Like yeah,
like we've watched Autops. He had the show last week.
It was like the first one because we were off
for a month. We came back, and I'm like, this
is great that we came back, not with something fun. Yeah,
you came back with a movie where like the dead
get up off tables, people are killing themselves all over Rome. Yeah,

(34:30):
like this is great.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, well, uh, this is not a perfect segue. But yeah,
speaking of the dead and people that made a big
impact on culture and a movie that plays for fun.
I don't know something in there.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, Well, isn't it amazing that Artie Line's the only
one still alive of a lot of people in this movie,
Like he would not be the person I'd picked to
survive some of the people doing, the people that work
on this movie.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
That's the really funny point.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
You're right, I have it with me here.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Oh man, of course we're talking about dirty work.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I there's people saying like this is not an interes
syndrome movie, like they need to chill.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I honestly like it's probably not, but I don't care.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Like I don't either. I'm so glad it came out
because I've had the Bargain Basement DVD release of it
for years and my copy was so my friend worked
for Spielberg's charity Star like for a long time, he
got to pick any celebrities he wanted to work with,
and Bob Saggatt directed one of their TV spots. Oh,

(35:38):
and he said they were just talking one day and
he's like, you know, my friend in Pittsburgh and I
Dirty Work played for one day at a dollar theater
and we went and saw it and we laughed the
whole time.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
He said, whatever you paid.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Was too much. That movie sucks. And he like said,
I'm gonna I'm gonna just I have copies of the DVD.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I'm just gonna give you one.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And so he sent me one with like ten bucks
in it and it said sorry about it. And I
was like, do you understand how many times I've watched
this movie? So to me, it's like a gift because
the other cut is like a totally different movie. And
I've said shit from this movie for years. I think
it's one of those movies that it is that it's
like if you get it, that's why to me, it's
a Vandiger Central movie. If you get it. The people

(36:19):
that get it talk about this movie a lot. Yeah,
there's like as dead Hooker's in Trunks, like that's a major,
like a major plot point of this movie, and like
it's in such a weird universe. It's very like Freddy
Got Finger is another movie similar to it, speaking of
like bombs that I love that. Like it's just like, hey,

(36:42):
give me as much money as you want, I'm going
to give you insanity back. That's what this movie feels like.
And like I love it for that. And like we
talked about poor going on. It's amazing to me that
they got all this publicity for it and then like
the site went to just Partner Movies and then it
was like nowhere to buy it. So I'm like I
had fomo because like I didn't get it when it
first came out because I was like, I've had a

(37:03):
copy of Dirty Work. I don't need it.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
And the more I thought about it was like maybe
it's so important to me.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I really do need it. And then I was like, Okay,
Diabolic has it. And then like one day, this is
what always happens. I don't know if you do this,
Like I have a shit day at work and I'm
like the only thing that can save me is just
spending sixty bucks in a movie. I don't then like
it comes into mail and I said my wife, I'm like, yeah,
they sent me that one. She's like, you don't get
stuff from vinegar syndrome. I'm like, Okay, I bought it,

(37:27):
so and I don't feel bad. I don't feel bad
that I bought this, and like, I don't feel bad
that they put it out. I think people you can
argue with it. I get it, you want them to
put out weird shit, but I would argue this movie
is weird shit. And also it's like the story of
them putting it together. That's the reason I bought it,
Like I want to watch the docs on it, like
the fact that you know they had to put it

(37:48):
together from like a VHS of a screening, right.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, there's that, But there's also I want to call
out Oscar on this because this is the first disc
Key fully produced, and I just think he nailed it.
Like there's one two full commentary tracks. One they both
have Frank Sebastiano on one has my Hunchback, one of
them as fred Wolf. There's a new making of documentary

(38:16):
where they get like everybody, like they have so many
people in the cast and crew on that dock.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
They get Jim Downey to talk.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, Like it's just they get the ad comes on
and talks like they get everybody except for Bob Sagett
and yeah obviously and like Chris, uh, what's his name, Chrish.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Isn't it amazing too, because like it feels like now
like Adam Sandler movie is ruled Netflix, right, these movies
other than Sandler have almost everybody that's in those, Like
it's in the same universe. Yeah, totally, it is his movies,
and it's that's weird to me. And I think something
you said earlier, it's one of the reasons I like
it too. I can I I can understand that people

(39:01):
don't like Dirty Work, like it is a weird movie.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's weird in a way that I just find so captivating. Like, yeah,
all the jokes are played so dead pan. There's no
sense of like creativity in the joke, Like they just
set the joke up and then tell the joke and
that's it.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
But like that's why I love Norms so much, because
like I remember watching him on Start Night Live and
my wife at the time is like, he's very boring
when he does the news. I'm like, that's the whole
joke like and if you don't get it, and also
like I want comedians that don't give a shit if
you get it or not, Like he did that one
roast where he came in and just started reading all
those jokes from the fifties and was like going around

(39:40):
and people were losing their mind and other people were
just confused. And I love that, Like I I'd rather
you confuse sixty percent of your audience and then like
that hardcore part of the audience that cares are going
to love you even more. Exactly. I remember just watching
this in the theater and not being able to stop
laughing and then rewatching it so many times and like
it's just some that gets like stuck on to me.

(40:02):
That's what a cult movie is. Like it's it didn't
play in theaters more than two weeks or a week,
you know what I mean. Like it just it was
in and out and like, yeah it was a major
label release, but you know, or studio release. But I'm
excited that it's out. I'm excited that I own it.
I kept my other one too. I have multiple copies.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, the amount of SNL and just general comedy talent,
it's on the special features to me, is worth the
price alone.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, let alone the movie's great.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
But I just it's like that.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I guess that is my favorite thing in a way
of getting a vinegar syndrome going up market and their
releases a little bit, is that now they're getting the
kind of features that we had on DVDs back in
the two thousand and four where it was you're getting
like big filmmakers and writers and producers, yeah, on the disc,
which is fun.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, And plus like I want to hear Jim Downey
talk about this movie. Oh yeah, because like I've read
like every SNL book, you know, I've like fred Wolf
since he was a sand up.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
I remember he used to.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Tell do this routine about punchlines that don't work, but
if you say them the right way, they're funny and
and like there's no way to translate it. So it's
funny that him saying, but one of them is like
my hometown is so small. All the hookers were batting helmets,
and like the whole crowd starts laughing. But the way
he says it is amazing. That's kind of a good
explanation of this movie. Like you just kind of have

(41:22):
to watch it like me telling you what it's about.
You're like, all right, that sounds like every other buddy comedy. Yea, yeah,
but it's a buddy comedy that like realizes that it's
in a movie and it exists in this weird universe,
and that's what I love about it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
That was the mainline releases from from the Halfway to
Black Friday Sale late May early June, and there was
some more stuff that they have on the sub labels
we can get into in just a moment, but I think,
you know, I'm excited about we have so and well,
I guess it's July tenth and we're recording this, so
in a few weeks now, we're gonna have August, which

(42:01):
is going to be our first non major month in
a while, and I'm excited to see what they do
for that, because yeah, I think if it was just Dark,
half Jade, Jessica and Dirty Work, I probably wouldn't keep subscribing,
just because it feels like, Okay, I get to kind
of pick which ones I like from that, Like, I'm
not surprised, like I kind of know what I'm getting into.

(42:24):
But the thing that I'm happy with so far through
the first six months of the year, I guess is
there's been stuff like The Carpenter, and there's been like
some amazing gems that I would have never seen other way.
So I'm still pretty like up on the subscription overall.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, that's good. I was wondering what that was like
to be, to be it, be in it and be
grabbing stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, I mean, look, you know there's a Cinematograph is
already up to twenty releases. Yeah, every one, but some
of them are coming in. Some of them are pre
orders and from July, but this month was eighteen and nineteen.
I don't want to spend too much time talking about
Breathless if it's okay, just because I'm a little I

(43:07):
don't like I wish it was.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I don't really know the whole story behind the scenes,
but it feels a little weird because that was like
a fun City project and there was an amazing release
from them, and it's weird to me that Vinegar Syndrome
put it out. I don't want to comment too much
on that, but like, yeah, it's a cool movie, and
it's another I really want people to see it.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It's another HBO movie. For me, it was on a
lot and I watched it, probably too young when I
was like, oh, what's I don't get it. Yeah, I
was like twelve when I watched it. Of course I'm
not going to get it. You know.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
It has a very unhinged performance from Richard Gear and
it's a move that everybody should watch because it's absolutely
nothing like the good Duard version. Yeah, but kind of
I can kind of see what they were going for. Yeah.
But the one that I was super stoked about from
that month was Swimming to Cambodia. Yeah, had you seen

(43:58):
that before?

Speaker 2 (43:59):
I had seen it? Again, too young, probably, But spotting
Gray was like a big deal in that like nineties,
you know, before he disappeared kind of thing. So it
was always like it always felt like he was somebody
that was on like public broadcasting or like people would
talk about as being like intrig Plus he did porn

(44:20):
before he did this stuff, so I always thought that
was interesting.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, he's a great story. Yeah, and this is the
idea behind this movie is wild just somebody recounting the
story of being on a movie about Vietnam, but being
in Vietnam, and just like some of the craziness of
being around that and yeah, like it's I love it,

(44:45):
Like it's.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Funny because this feels like a Critarion release versus like
Viggo Centrome one. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Like I could seecretarian putting this out?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Oh absolutely, And I think there's some stuff in cinematograph
that fits that.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, that's kind of how I look at That's what
my thought is, that's what it would be like they're
like reaching for that totally.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
It's the art house line they have some of my
Like Shanks is another.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
One that's just a movie.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I love that movie.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
It's like, how do you It's like I guess it's
a slasher but it's but it's not. And it's like
it has a mind lee like it's it's I love
that movie. And I was so excited they put out.
That's another movie where I told people about it for
years and I'm like, please watch this. Oh I don't
know where to find it and like versus like you know,

(45:34):
I'm somebody that'll go onto any Russian site and watch
stuff in three languages to get the chance to see it.
So do you know what I mean? I appreciate that
vendor syndrome in these labels allow me to say, well,
you can get it here, it is on you know,
this is very easy to find now.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah, that so they have CINEMATICA has enough movies like that. Yeah,
where I am always going to be. There's an one
called joy Ride. Have you seen joy Ride?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Uh? Really cool?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yes, it's another one of these sort of like film
and Louise Style or another one of these kind of
seventies car like road trip movies that goes awry.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
But it's so it's just.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
It's it's amazing, Like I'm really surprised more people aren't
talking about it anyways. And I think, to me, Swimming
to Cambodia is another one of those that I don't
know who else would have put it out, Like, yeah,
maybe Criterion would it because it's a Jonathan Demi picture,
But they did a great job on the release and
there's a lot of good special features and it looks
good and yeah, I don't know, I just like that.

(46:39):
To me, it was a probably one of my I'm
just looking through Jessica and Swimming to Cambodia and then
one more we'll talk about it in just a minute
are probably my favorite from the month.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah. I actually just bought the stop Making Sense that
a twenty four twenty four one speaking of Jonathan Demi,
and I was like, my wife actually gave to me
for I think for our anniversary or novout fans they
and it was like I wasn't gonna buy it, and
I was like, man, I'm so glad I owned this thing.
I guess I'm looking at it now on the shop
is like wow, Like it's it's such a like like

(47:09):
what that's a movie that I watched whenever I'm sad,
Like like I can put this on and watch it at anytime,
and like I've really between that and like sometimes I said,
like I wow, like I really do appreciate Jonathan that mean,
like that's something wild. Like there's like a lot of
his movies and I never think, oh, yeah, that's one
of my favorite directors. And I think like sneakily sometimes

(47:30):
people get onto that list for you, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, I well, I just not to go too far
in a tangent, but I just saw Thieves Highway last
night and I'm wondering I just had that thought. I
was like, man, is Jules Dasson like sneaking up on
my list of favorite directors because Thieves Highway is just
like brilliant. It's it's it's a wonderful noir. It's it's
an unconventional noir. It's it's just about apple salesman and

(47:57):
like Mafia connections, but it's so well maid and it
has Lee Cobb in a role that like is a
very Lee Cob type role, And I was just I
had that exact thought. Man, is Jules Deson like a
favorite director might not because I've only seen a few
from him, but they've all been like bangers.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
But that's awesome though, when you can find someone he's got.
I'm just looking through some of his films, like, yeah,
he really does have a lot of stuff. I have
a weird fondness for Neo Nor's about people that sell produce.
Like there's that one Bronson movie too where he sells watermelons.

(48:36):
Yeah I haven't seen it, but yeah, and it's just
like yeah, man, it's it's great because it's like he
that's what he loves and like he only wants to
plant mister Majestic and he just wants to plant his
watermelonins and just leave him alone, and these people keep
screwing with him, and it's like man and he had
not yet become like formula Bronson that I love those too,

(48:57):
but he's very much like just leave them alone, just
leave him, And like I have this weird theory about
I won't go too far in a stansion. But Bronson,
it's like he is like cinematic Jesus for us, where
it's like we have to see him get beat up
in the streets for a long time, and it's like,
are we complicit in the things that happened to him
and his loved ones in these movies, because like, all

(49:17):
we want to see him do is go crazy, but
he would be the bad guy if he was just
crazy from the beginning. So we have to see his
daughter get thrown out a window and then paled like
in Death Wish too, And we have to see any
woman in any of the Death Wish movies. When I
was watching for it, my wife, she's like, really like
the girl that he's with, I'm like, don't get used
to it. She's getting her face to her last window
in a couple of seconds, you know what I mean,
And like, so, yeah, that's why I love that, So

(49:40):
I'll definitely check out that movie.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
That sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I've been trying to get more intour because I know
there's blind spots like forties and fifties subs outside of
My horror is like super blind spot for me, And
then I watch these movies I'm like, oh, I really
like this yeah, and it's like, so I'm trying to
fill those in.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
I feel a little bit guilty because I don't like
a lot of noir to be honest. Yeah, it's not
the kind of formula that I like. But just like
everything else we've been talking about today, the ones that
kind of eschew the formula a little bit. Yeah, and
are weird, Like I'm all about them and these Highways one,
it's just weird enough that it's good.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
You know. You know that movie Wages of Fear got
remade a Sorcerer. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
The first half of the movie plays like that where
they're like, okay, struts breaking down and it's like stressful,
you know, and then it gets into this weird mafia thing. Anyways,
enough about these Highway but are we even talking about that?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Oh, randomly favorite directors? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
When Demi does like music stuff, concert stuff, live performance
anything like that.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yeah, they're just I'll watch any of them.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
They're just. It's also amazing, Like about Stop Making Sense
is like it feels like the closest I've seen a
movie get to capturing wile of going to shows because
it's like, especially the way the band builds over time.
I just got the documentary now box set and they
read I don't know if you watched that show it yeah,

(51:02):
where they did the Stop Making Sense thing and then
somehow in the middle turns into Tom Waite's thing, and
I'm like, this is the funniest thing I ever seen,
but that make it crazy shit, Like people probably would
only know him from Silence to the Lambs, but like
he's great at comedy. I'm Married to the Mob's really
good too, Like there's so much good ship he did.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
And uh yeah, I like his weirder stuff more. I mean,
I think Silence of the Lambs is okay, yeah, but
it's like.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, I have to love exits from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
It's shy oh ten minutes from the house, right, Yeah, okay,
we caged Heat Crazy Mama.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Those are both great, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, swing Shift, Like there's good ship that he did,
and it's like something wild's great.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Like I remember watching.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That movie when it was on HBO, and I was like, man,
this is great. It was a very early manic pixie
dream girl movie where you're like it. Also, I realized
now between that and body double, I'm like, oh, that's why.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
I married my wife because she looks a lot like
her that.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Like short Bob with like and especially the body double
scenes of her smoking.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
I'm like, oh, that's one hund percent of the.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Early implanted memories of what. Yeah, I know, it's like, well,
well they said that to you, like you'll becoming planted
bisexual memories when you're young. And he was like, oh
I saw a woman's pale thigh and I was like, oh,
I will only like pale woman. I'm like, it must
have happened to me too. I don't know where, where,
where or when, but yeah, uh it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
All the Benny Page pictures probably there you.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Go, there are.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
The one that I was probably least excited about. And
I and I again like I I'm not trying to
be down on venever syndrome, but yeah, the one I
was probably least excited about was the Golden Child, Yeah,
v s U. Yeah, I don't hate the Golden Child,
It's fine, yeah, but I the VSU line to me

(52:45):
has been kind of interesting, like they've they've got some
ones that are pretty good, like like I love Southern Comfort,
oh yeah, right, yeah, like they've they have some ones
that are really good, and then this is one of
the ones that for me, I don't know. I just
wasn't excited about. I had a paramount present copy of this,
and I would have been fine if that was the ad.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's what I have too, But you know what, and
is it our age? Maybe because like my wife loves
The Golden Child, like she wants really a lot.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Yeah, she's and she.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Talks about it like whenever we see Closer, She's like,
I love that movie. And I'm like, I have no
feeling at all other than Charlotte Lewis is in it
because she's in Doll Help, which is a crazy Italian
movie where telephones man. This is a movie that I
want to come out. So if nder Syndrome listens to this,
I know that Severn can't get the rights to it,
because I asked David Gregory. Dhal Help is about a

(53:36):
Lonely Heart's Phone nine hundred number nine sex line of
old people that give advice to people. They all die
in an accident. Their ghost haunt the phone line. They
possess all the telephones in Italy and like kill people
and they're in love with Charlotte Lewis. It's like, what
is going on? And it's like I guess it's a jalla,

(53:57):
but it's also totally not because it's like it has
supernatural elements and Rigard Diadado directed it. Oh, it's like
the energy of deceased telephone operators. There's one scene where
a rapist is chasing her and like a payphone saves
her by shooting quarters out and it just blows them
up and you're like what, so Charlotte is being at it.
That's the only reason I would watch a Golden Child

(54:18):
because I'm like, oh, that's that's her. I think it's
also that era where it's like why did the Golden.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Child get this huge budget?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Meanwhile, Big Trouble Little China is a much better version
of like trying to make a martial arts or like
you know what I mean, And it has no budget
and it was like people didn't give it a chance
versus they gave this one a ton of a chance.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Well, John Carpenter had to choose between Golden Child and
Big Trouble.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, that's what. And it's like, I think artistically he
made the right choice. Yeah, but it's like, and I
would say it's I mean, I love Big Trouble. I
could watch it, of course anytime, and like, but if
Vinegar Syentram put that out, I'd be super excited. This
one it just feels like, I don't know, this feels
like the I was like of anything that's come out

(55:02):
where I'm like, huh, it's not overboard Severn, which is
a total joke. I know why that got picked, But.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
It's a little less like where you're like, I.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Guess people want the Golden Child. And again, like, my
wife's twelve thirteen years younger than me, so she loved
it and it's very much a movie.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
She ran it a lot. So maybe it's for those folks.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Maybe w and I were just like we were past
that that age where we're just like, yeah, it's not
that important to me.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, it must have been something like that. Yeah, it's
like it's there's nothing wrong about the movie.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It's fine. But that's the thing is like I don't
want in a world of Neapolitan choices.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
I don't want just vanilla.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Right, like like you said, like I could, I could
buy this movie at Dollar General still and like, like
I get it. I don't need extras, like there's no
like myth of like Annie Murphy's dix in it, or
like you know what I mean, like or like an
overly violent cut that we didn't know about. And then
it's like, these are the things that if it had that,
you know, these are the things I'd want to see.

(56:03):
It's just it's cool, it's fine.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
I don't know, it's not something I'll ever watch it. Yeah,
that's kind of how it feels.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
But then on the other end of movies that got
financed that you're surprised by, do you know the backstory
for Iron Angels and like how those got made? N Okay,
So I won't go too much into it because it's
all over the special features. But they're all three directed
by this woman named Teresa Wu. And it's a VA
I should say, it's a VSA title. So this is

(56:34):
their VSA is now up to fifty fourth at least now,
I think with July. Now they're up to fifty five.
But so Teresa Wu is this powerful, like this wealthy
woman in Hong Kong that basically hires all these people
to come in as ghost directors just so she can
put her name on it. Wow, And these three movies
are just fucking awesome, and like it's like NonStop ADHD

(56:59):
with unmetic cadd action. It's like just jumping from one
scene to the next and like crazy stunts and guns everywhere,
and it's almost like, yeah, it's it's it's just it's
not quite a vanity project. I mean, there's real actors
in it and everything, but it almost feels it almost
has that same energy. And I've only seen two out

(57:20):
of the three. I didn't make it to the third
one yet, but they're just both so fun and if
the people that were behind the camera were like real
studio directors that she just was wealthy and like wanted
to fund a series of movies, and you know she did,
Like here we have this amazing trio.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I think that's amazing though when that kind of thing happens,
and like the story of it is probably just as exciting.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Oh yeah, it really is. But the movies are awesome,
Like it's it's not quite John wu style, because John
Woo has a lot of that silliness, kind of like playfulness,
kind of yeah, this plays it a little more serious,
but it's.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
It's kind of like the inverse of like when Joe
Demana Mid Paradise So Blue and like Anna Bergman is
in it, uh Bergman's daughter, and then he's like, Okay,
this movie is not smut, and it's like, but it
is his rip off the Blue Lagoon, and she's the
reason is he's like, you know what, she will say
that she directed it and people think it's a sensitive
woman's picture. You it's still a Joe Omana movie versus like,

(58:26):
oh I paid these directors to make this for He
was at the point where he's like, I can't put
my name on any other movies, Like I've done ten
things on this movie. Please somebody else take the credit,
like like I happened on Deep Blood too, where Raftonado
it was a real person. At one point shot one scene,
he's like, I don't like directing. He's like, I'll do
the rest of it. Just put your name on it.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
It's it's fine, just.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Go for it and yeah. He shot like the opening
scene where all the kids do like a blood pect
around uh, around the fire, and then like okay, and
and then everything else is just him like you know,
we got to get shipt up out and and that's
why I love it.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
It's like all commerce, like let's do yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
But Iron Angels is another one that's probably I would say,
like a favorite from the month. So Iron Angels I
definitely gonna check that out. Yeah, they're they're they're really
fun movies. Swimming to Cambodia, Let's scare Jessica to death,
and then obviously Dirty Work.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
To me, probably one you said you like too that came.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Out well, yeah, so that's a part that's a vsl
oh okay, oh good point. I had it in the
partner label pile, but it's not a partner label. So
what's the best example Alex Cox's Walker mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Maybe the pacing of.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
What's that Alex Cox movie called, like the Three Wise
Men or the Three Men or something?

Speaker 4 (59:47):
What's there?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Uh, there's that opening sequence where they're just walking for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
What is it not straight to hell?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
That's one of the Yeah, it's fun. Oh wait, no, no,
maybe it is straight to hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, three businessmen, Yeah,
three businessmen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Sorry, that's what I was thinking of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
A lot of like long takes a lot of you know,
scenes that don't really have an explanation, no voice over.
It's just a man alone in the desert. This man
is Richard Rowntree, and he's always like one sip of water.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Away from death.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Like he's just beat up in the beginning of the film,
and it just kind of gets worse as it goes on.
He has this very stressful, hate based relationship with this
Native American guy who was left to die, and they
kind of help keep each other alive. The Native American
guy speaks English, but there's like a reason for it

(01:00:47):
in the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
They plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah, it's just a cool almost like an anti Western,
like nothing happened. It's just these two guys they kind
of hate each other, fighting the elements and some people
that come into their lives. And it's it's not that long,
it's like ninety minutes or whatever, but it's just it's
just a hell of a movie. And like it's really
bizarre that Richard Rowntree made this, because yeah, it's absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Nothing like his career.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
So it's it's just phenomenal, Like I probably top three
vs Labs and they have wow, some really good stuff
in their catalog and I guess rounding out the month
this is, you know, they're halfway to Black Friday. So
it was a huge, huge set of releases from them.
They had done so their main line had done Criminally Insane,

(01:01:34):
not not too long ago, maybe even last year, which
is such a fun movie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Have you seen that? Oh my god, Yeah, I'm Nick
Millard super fan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So if you like Nick Miller, Good News Vision covered.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah, yeah, they've got well have you seen some of
those behind the scenes videos that they've done on the
Criminally Insane disc They just show like walking through how
they got his collection stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
It's funny because my friend Mike Justice just sent me
a message about Nick Millard one night last week where
he's like, you know, the beauty of him is like
some people that are the two Vanity Projects are very
you know, uh, you know I know what I realized,
I have small budgets and I you know, and I'm

(01:02:20):
not that great.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
And then he was like quite the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
He's like, I'm the best filmmaker there is, yeah, yeah,
and like and he was like very fooling somebody. He
was like maybe a little too short himself. And it's like, meanwhile,
you watch his movie, like I know, if there's an
action movie set and it's like action should be in quotes.
It's like, it's not like I just watched through fifty
seven Magnetico weeks ago and I was like, yeah, stuff
happens in it. I love Criminally Insane. I also love

(01:02:45):
movies like that, And Boogeyman's another one where it's like
how much footage came from the first one and like
it got reused and it's like but I don't care,
Like I want to live in the world, be like
crazy fat Ethol. I want to live in that world
for longer. And so it's like if I get to
spend more time with him, then that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah, then you'll love Criminally Insane too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah I do. I do love it, yeah, because it's very.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Much a clip show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
But yeah, yeah, Like he has a very.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Endearing personality, I think in his very sincere maybe is
a better word. Yeah, he's out there to make movies,
doesn't He's not taking shortcuts like he's out there to
do what he can and make movies.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Yeah. He reminds me of HG. Lewis in a way,
maybe minus the marketing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
He just has these big ideas and he just goes
and makes it like you know, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
These are the filmmakers that I get excited about, like
him and Browner again, yeah, Andy Milligan where it's like this,
like and even Franco a bit where it's like this
drive to just keep making movies and it's like, no
matter what, I'm just going to make a movie. And
I love that Versus there's other directors that they made,
like like Tantaino's made what eight movies, seven movies and

(01:03:56):
like this last one will be my last one and
this is what it's about, versus like Franko was still
making movies when he was shooting niked women on card
tables and hotel rooms and he's like, you know, this
is I guess it's a movie, but I'll put it out.
And uh, I love that and I I'll watch it
anything they put out. So but I love that these

(01:04:18):
are coming out, like these beautiful versions of them, versus
years we had degraded VHS copies.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Of them yeah, third four Generation VHS. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I lost my train of thought on the whole. Sorry,
I'll yeah, there was a point on that that I
wanted to uh oh shit, Oh well it's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Yeah, no, No, I totally agree Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Nick Miller to me is just a guy that needs
some love and he's getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
It seems like they have his entire catalog, So maybe
even get a box at one.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Day or something that'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
But I guess he's a little like Godfrey Ho or
Roger Corman and that they just have this footage and
they're like, Okay, what can I go piece together to
make like another thing.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
I'm trying to explain Godfrey Ho to someone in the
Fourth of July party, okay, And I was talking about
Ninja Terminator and I'm like, imagine someone had like three
or four movies and they also knew a bunch of
American tourists.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And they're like, I'd like to film you for this.
Do you do martial arts? No? Okay, great? And then
they also hired like one sea level C list actor
they come in and shoot one movie, but didn't tell
me he was shooting eight hundred. And they also have
a Garfield phone, and they also have access to music
that you will not believe is in a kung Fu movie,
like Sisters of Mercy and Clanton's iMOS and like Weird

(01:05:44):
four a D like goth bands like Old Pink Really
Old Sid Berret Pink Floyd and they're like that can't
be a movie. Yeah it is, and like someone put
it on, Like there's the blu ray of Ninja Terminator
that I have, and like I love that it's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
On Blue rid versus.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
You can also go to Toby and find nine hundred
Godfrey home movies. But I love them. There's somebody on
a laderbox that I've contributed to the list that is
doing a list of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
All the music that is in Godfrey Holle music movies.
Oh and like I got an email because.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Every time there's an update, I get an email on it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
I was like laying in bed Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Morning and I was like, this is where I'm at
my life, Like this is way I'm like, oh my god.
They used like like one of the Queen songs from
Flash Corton when when the ship when they're tripping out
and the ship's falling into the thing with those big drums.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Like that's in a Garbyhoe movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Like I'm gonna go back and watch watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
There's a there's an actor equivalent that I didn't. I
would always liked Eric Roberts. Have you ever seen exactly
how many movies he's been in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I always say like, if you say his name loud enough,
like somebody that's making a movie for eight grand said,
we'll get a call from whom I come here. It's great.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
IMDb is fairly accurate. They made two a percentage, really accurate.
They have over eight hundred entries from him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Oh, he's in a Talking Cat, which is he's the cat.
And have you seen this movie?

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Oh my god, David Dakota directed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
It, like it's a lot of it is shot with
like just footage that you would buy from stock. And
it's also like a family cat movie. But Eric Roberts
is the voice of the cat. He recorded it on
his iPhone and it's just very dispassionate Eric Roberts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Oh my god, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I got And then there's a quasi sequel to it,
like Santa's Summerhouse that has Cynthia Rothrock in it as
Missus Clause and she her hair has died like nine
different colors, and I have still this day of the
biggest Cynthia Rothrock crush. And I'm like, who like Dave Dakota,
That's who, like said, Cynthia Rothrock must play in the

(01:07:49):
quasi sequel to a Talking Cat. It's also a talking
cat question mark exclamation point. I bought it for a
dollar at the dollar store and I was like, I
can I pay you three dollars for.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Sin is it's spotted. I want to support the guz
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
And my wife's like, why the did you buy that movie?
I made her watch it with me. She's like, I
hate watching these movies with you. She's like, you get
way too excited about it. He gets you like yell
lines out from it, like I made her watch night Killer,
which is my probably my favorite movie. Or and like
she's like, this movie is saying I say stuffrom night
Killer all the time, mmmm Fried Chicken, And these are

(01:08:24):
the movies I celebrate. But yeah, Eric Roberts is in everything.
Like there's this weird class of actors, Like why isn't
Eric Estrada doing this?

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Like, uh, there's certain people, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Like they get this level of success and they're like,
you know what, I can be in these and like
there's a lot of these like movies that they have
associate producers through kickstarters and like all the ambible movies
I watch and they're.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Like, Eric Roberts is available.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
He's very much like the Klauskinski of his day without
biting actresses or being able as far as we know, right,
that's Martin kove'sjob now, right, that whole story is crazy,
but like I love that he's doing it. He's like
the Donald Pleasance was the same way, Like Donalds was
like him, and like if you get him and John

(01:09:12):
Carrodine in the same movie like Super Lucky, because like
they never said no, like in uh in general, oh
my god, dude, Pleasants is best role, not best actor role,
but is in uh Nothing Underneath which Henry sinra bro
and like he's just in a Wendy's woofing down the
salad bar and like could we not shoot this anywhere else?

(01:09:33):
And that was actually a major movie, like the book
was a big deal, Like this is not a low
budget movie and it's just like him screaming stuff, yelling,
totally being I love pleasants. I love as the Hallowe
movies going, he gets nuttier right right by the fifth movie,
he's pretty much the bad The sixth movie is definitely
the bad guy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
And he's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
And he's just like screaming at people and like there's
no subdued nature whatsoever when Aaric rovers to do those parts,
like want him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
To push it, and I'm sure, I'm sure he will
get a chance to. Speaking of that kind that like
that thin line between arthouse and grindhouse. Have you seen
uh uh, What's okay? The show twenty four? Who's the
main actor in twenty four? Sutherland Donald? Sorry his dad Donald.
Have you seen Casanova from Fellini?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
I have, so I definitely see that, talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
It's just it's one of these unhinged performances that I
can't believe more.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
People don't talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Wow, there's a POV scene if you think about like,
there's a sex scene from the position of the women.
He's on top basically like missionary style. He has a
he's he's like plowing her, but there's no sex in
the movie. They everything is very theatrical, so they're actually
wearing clothes, but it's just like pantomiming sex and and
he's wearing a candelabra head dress with like candles sticking

(01:10:52):
up and he just is like looking insane. I'm just
this is this is amazing, Like more people talking about this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Donald was another person was in a ton of movies
because he was a Canadian citizen, so like, you know,
you had to have that Canadian rule to get people
to shoot there. He was like a good one. And
he's also like a well enough no name. I love
actors like that that Italian movies use, where they're like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
We'll be in this for two seconds and that's good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
This old hold the alitza tachie genre and spetty westerns
are full of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Finally, Granger just needs to walk in for two minutes
and you're like, good, thank you, I'm done.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Let me do for three hours.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Yeah all right, So there are I'm trying to think
if we do partner labels first and then end on July,
maybe we should do that. Okay, So what I'll do
if it's okay is just call out a few that
really jumped out at me. Sure, I don't know if
there's any that you have watched, no pressure. If you
have anything top of mind, you can go through it too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
I have to call out Enter the Void.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I know there was a release of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
That as well, but I'm just I'm a fan of
Espernoe and yeah that sold out too. Yeah, yeah, I
actually don't think people know why they bought it, because
I think more people had seen it probably wouldn't have
sold quite as fast.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Like I like it too, but I think it's also
a movie like where you know they always warn you
like that they're strobing effects and you may have a stroke.
This is the one that will do it. Like if
you've like that, NA movies won't give me a stroke,
This one's going to do it. Push the limit, Yeah,
this is the limit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Interesting, interesting perspective on like what it's like to be
on drugs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
You know they do that. It's an interesting movie. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
They visually is weird.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
The the other ones that I was excited about. I
love anything with Rachel Snat in it. So there's a
new one from her called Tahara, which I'm interested in.
I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen the Scarecrow
in a Garden of Cucumbers yet the New Aga movie, but.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Yeah, I haven't seen that either. The Boxes is kind
of talking to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Yeah, people love it. Everybody that's seen it loves it.
There's a few that I did get a chance to
see though. Oh I have to call about The On
West Side too, because I just like Love Diaz and
I don't know, I have no idea if like the
average vinegar syndrome fan is going to like a five
hour Filipino American drama. Yeah, but like Love Diaz is
a very particular type of person, and I'm glad he's

(01:13:20):
getting his movies out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
So I was happy about that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
But the four four that I want to call out,
So everybody, well, I don't know about everybody, but you know,
we all love Larry Feesten did, or at least know him.
A lot of people don't realize that the impact he's
had is like a kind of a writer producer in
New York and the people that he's helped promote their
career in addition to what his what he's done. So

(01:13:44):
he he has this sort of production company called Glass
Eye Picks. It's been around for a while and now
they became a partner label, and the first partner release
from from Them is a sci fi movie called Automatons,
and it's cool, Like it's a very low budget, almost
like like David Lynch or Derek Jarmon style black and white,

(01:14:07):
low budget black and white sixteen millimeters, I'm sure, but
the concept is high so it's it's like a high
concept movie as well sci fi movie. There's like a
battle between robots and they do their best with a
very limited budget to show like a battle between you know,
robot armies instead of like human armies. It's an interesting plot.

(01:14:28):
I think it's worth a watch. I think it's probably
in that like try before you buy category as far
as I must have. But I was surprised at how
fun it was and how well developed the idea was.
So it's like they built this little world. It's essentially
all in a room where this woman is like building
the robots and sending them out to war, but they

(01:14:48):
make it seem much bigger, so it's cool. There's a
few movies that fit into this very specific category for me,
where where You Are Alone fits in. So You Are
Alone is a Saturn's Core release, but it's not a
horror release. It's more of a I guess an art

(01:15:09):
house release. The director is Gorman Bishard, which you know,
we all we all know and love, but this is
like a very heady, kind of interesting chamber piece. It's
just two people in a room. You think he's hiring
this sex worker, and then as the movie goes on,
you realize that he like has known this woman his
whole life, which creates a weird dynamic. Like he's seen

(01:15:32):
her grow up, So it creates a weird dynamic. It's
a very sexually explicit in terms of the way they talk,
but then the movie takes this really crazy twist that
makes it something really interesting and different. So I highly
recommend people watch You Are Alone. I haven't seen that
and I love him, you know, so I off to
check that one. Yeah, yeah, he's Gorman Bashard. To me

(01:15:54):
is another category of like maybe Scooter McCrae. People they
like they could they could work on any budget because
their stories are good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Yeah, you know, that's that's an interesting too to put together.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Yeah, they're just I think they just know how to
tell a story and like it doesn't matter the fact
that they have lower budgets. Like the world that Scooter
Builds in sixteen tongues is fucking off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
It's just like that's a movie that I think about
all the time. Yeah, Like I wish that was like
an HBO Maxi series where we could have spent like
twenty episodes in that world versus like just the two hours,
because it's so well thought out and yeah and interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Like I don't know if you heard it. I don't
know if you heard when he came on. Oh shit,
I can't remember. It was here they lived by film.
The two podcasts are kind of running together. But he
he came on and I interviewed him, and he was saying, like, no,
I have like a lot of ideas.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
I just need money. Yeah, I have endless ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Anyway, That's the thing is, like I wish people would
and I know this is basic, right, but like we
give all this money to you know, Black Adam, like
you said, like two hundred million dollars, like you could
just get scowed like five hundred thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
He probably can make the rest of the movies that
he wants to make for the rest, you know what
I mean, And that would be a write off for somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
And like I want I want a rich money mark
to do something like that versus the other things they
throw their money into, I know, yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Buying presidents, Yeah whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
So there's a The Bleeding Skull release from from June
is called Zero Alien Hitchhiker.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
I want to see that. That cover is so intoxicating looking.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
It's another one of these dreamy kind of movies that
I think there's a certain type of sov or a
low budget film that just they really play into.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
The dreaminess and like the other worldliness of the format.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Zero captures it perfectly. There's like a the aliens. They
form this sexual bond. It's almost like you know what
it is. It's almost like in the realm of this
sense but.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Oh wow, so ov and like, uh weird.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Because it's like it's like between an alien and they
don't ever physically touch, but he has the ability to
go into the minding creedom orgasm.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
And he sold me on it. You know, I've been
really this week, really into da If you see any
Damvin Packards movies dated backward, he guys like shot on
digital video.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
He posts all this stuff on YouTube. I just watched
his Reflections of Evil. It's like a movie where it
takes parts of TV movies and turns them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
It's on two B as well. But like a girl
who died of a PCP e verist in the seventies
is trying to go through kind of space to find
her brother who is like dying of cool diabetes in
the nineties. But it's like all shot, like with live sound,
and like there's moments where like there's so much going
on that like you don't know where to watch it

(01:18:53):
or listen, Like it's just it's very and he's in
it too, like he wrote it, directed stars in it,
and like I watched it and I was like, this
movie's two hours and fifteen minutes. I'm not gonna make it,
And like I was like, man, I want ten hours
of this.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Well yeah, like I really dug it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
So I'm gonna it feels like another person wrong. I
probably need to do a deep dive into into his stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
That's awesome. What's the name of the one you just said?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Uh? It is the Packory movie was The Reflections of Evil.
I'll send you the link to it so you can
watch it because it's there's a copy on the internet archive.
And then there's he posts them all on uh on
YouTube but there's he has. He's also done like remixes.
There's some label that sells his remixes of like TV movies,

(01:19:36):
and like he did a remix of Prophecy the Bar movie,
Like that was one of my favorite movies. I'm like,
what could this guy do to it? So I want
to see how he changed it. So that's that's fascinating
to me. Then something evil the Spielberg movie is like
figures into this movie and he re edited that on
his own tube.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
You you brought up French extremity earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Yeah, French extremity or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
There's a movie that kind of came out like around
that time called Mom may Day. Did you ever see
that when it came out? So it's again of course
it's Elizabeth or Isabelle who beart. She She plays a
woman who's becomes attracted to her son when he comes
back to visit for the summer. It descends into incest,
which is only about sixty percent of the weird twist.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
It's a movie that I really don't want to spoil
because the end is so out there. They're like, what
the fuck is wrong with the French Man?

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Like, oh, like it's that's the whole genre is, like
that's what that should be called instead of extremity, Like
what the fuck is wrong uh with it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
The French?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
And it's funny because the one that like got any
traction here was high tension, and that one's like, yeah, okay,
the most tamably the most like yeah, I know, someone's
head gets smashed with the dresser spoilerward, but like that's
not comparatively, like no, baby gets cut out of somebody's womb,
right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
In fact, the ending scene for this, I mean, the
fuck it, I kind of do want to spoil it,
just because it's like, yeah, I feel like you're either
gonna watch this movie or you're not gonna watch it.
But the ending scene, it basically involves them sort of
consummating this this fantasy and he but the way that

(01:21:22):
she does it is she cuts a hole in her
stomach with like a knife or something, and he basically
fingers the hole and it's like pleasure. But then she
bleeds out, so she goes to the hospital and starts
to die, and he jacks off in the hospital next
to her.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
She's dying, Like that's the end of the movie, and
You're like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
That, isn't that like the next level of perversion. It's
like we've done everything else like that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
I mean, that's kind of what it feels.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
It's like the fourth input is what's next? You make
your own.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
But I just like I could sit down for a
hundred years and think of like fucked up ways to
have sex, and that would like none of that would
ever come into my anyway. Yeah, uh so, Mom, Maddy,
there it is. If anybody who wants to watch it,
watch it. But there's a whole bunch. I mean, I'm
staring between between May and June, because you know June
was just partner labels. Yeah, you know, half of them

(01:22:13):
or more sixty percent of them. I didn't buy, even
the ones I did buy. I mean, I'm looking at
there's a great documentary at the band Crass Soul Tangler
had a re release. I guess, oh wow, yeah, Bleeding Skull.
Another another weird Western called Time to Die Like It's
a Mexican Western, came out that I can't wait to watch.
I was hoping to be able to talk to you

(01:22:33):
about it, but I didn't get to watch it. Tokyo
Uber Blues is like an interesting sort of modern day
look into uber drivers in Japan, but it's all shot
from the perspective of this one guy. It sounds interesting anyways. Yeah,
Like there's I'm just looking at a whole bunch of
movies that I didn't even get to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
But that's one of There's so much stuff that comes
out from Partner labels, Like I really want to get
the Joe Sarno doc because I've watched that so many
times and I'm like, I want to get like a
great quality copy of that. But it's weird, Like there's
some things that come out that I'm like, I really do.
Like there's stuff that I'm always gonna buy, like satan

(01:23:16):
Once Show. I love that documentary, so I got that,
and like all the AJFA stuff like having like shake
hands with Danger on the Danger stories like in a really.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Beautiful copy of it. Like that's awesome. These are the
things I want.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
But I wonder, like how many people like To me,
It's like there's stuff in here that is like essential,
like the Saturns, And I know everybody has different opinions,
so like, but like the Saturn's core stuff to me
is a little more essential. I love the sword and
the claw. So that's another like oh yeah, get that stuff.
But then it's like, you know a lot of this

(01:23:49):
stuff like the uh shutter stuff, like it's still on
shutter like and like it's not blood Quantum is good.
But it's like they're they're fine, But I don't feel
like this overwhelming need to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Own these movies. Well, and I don't know how they
how well they're selling.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I maybe this is this is my bias, and I'm
aware of that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
But if it's a brand new festival movie that came
out like in twenty twenty four, twenty five, I understand
intellectually that it has every right to be preserved like
the other movies, I get it. I'm not as interested
in buying it unless there's something like The People's Joker
that came out or yeah, some of the stuff that
Altered Innocence is putting out like through like the bertrand

(01:24:34):
Mandico stuff where like She and Conan came out recently.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Yeah, like that's a movie I'd like to have. Like
they call Her Death, I'm interested in that because it's
a somewhat acid Western e. Yeah, there's like those kind
of things, but like slacks it was fine, yeah, silly
like pavements. I get like pavements. Part of me wants
that because like it's an interesting take, but some of
the other stuff was just like I guess there's an

(01:24:57):
audience for it. But also like I buy lot of
stuff at the dollar store, right like, and like a
lot of that shutter stuff. Last year I got one
kind of the Dead for a buck at the dollar tree,
do you know what I mean? And it's like, is
my copy of it better than anything else? Arguable? And
it's like but also it's like those feel a little

(01:25:17):
more and again bias disposable versus like you know, like
some of this like sixteen Tongues or you know, any
of the Berne Skull stuff. Like that's like, oh yeah,
I want that. I want to look at that on
my shelf and see it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Or volume one and two of David the rock Nelson,
Like that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Right. My buddy bought me a sign David the rock
Nelson DBD because he was here at Choir we his
Search for a big Foot Part two and it's autography.
He was like I got you this, and I was like,
oh my god, Like that's amazing, right, Like that's Those
are the kind of things like I want that kind
of shit that like the stuff it's like I don't like,

(01:25:58):
I don't know where I'm going to find it, do
you know what I mean? Like there are certain movies
like that where it's like where am I going to
get this? And there's that's what I look at. The
two things in physical media like I can't believe that
this is out and I can have it, like or
I love this movie and I have to have it,
or it's like this is so wild, like I got
to see it. Those are maybe those versus like hey,

(01:26:19):
I can turn this on anytime. There's not really something
that but you know, your mileage varies. Other people might
be like, oh, I can't believe Slacks and Shark Exploitation
are out, Like those are movies.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
That I was dying to get.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I mean, look when I was when I was twenty
one twenty two, like getting into movies, there was probably
there was stuff that that was I was right and
smack in the era of like Miramax and like Sony Classics,
and there was all that stuff coming out that like
as soon as it got into best Buy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Yeah, right, So I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
I don't know, Like I don't want to say that
this era of festival circuit is producing less quality movies
or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
I don't know what the difference is, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
In my mind, like it just doesn't have I think
processes or like some somehow being like lower ability to
access it as part of it. I'm also just not
as excited about the like indie movies.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Coming out, Like I don't know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Anyways, I'm not as excited about any movies coming out,
I think, And I wonder, is that like my old
man at the cloudism where I'm like, you know, probably yeah,
I think there's I remember again I'm dating myself, but
like going through the air Temple Weekly or whatever magazine
premiere or whatever of like encircling movies, I don't call

(01:27:38):
this will be the one that I will look for
in August, and like I don't know, see privacy fantastic works.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
My friends are going, that's that's about it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
What I mean, that's my conceit to mainstream and like,
but there's nothing else for really where I'm like, oh man, no,
I can't wait till this plays.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
I trouble a lot for my work, so with my
excuse to watch new movies as I watch them on
the planes. Yeah, which to me is like the perfect
compromise because if I'm gonna have to suffer through something
like the Eternals, I want to have like literally no
other option.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Well, I try to pick the worst movie to watch
on the plane. So my recent watch has been Reagan,
which was awesome. I laughed like like a maniac throughout
it because like the idea that like the Russians have
been watching him since he ran the Screen Actors Guild
and like, also Scott Statt plays Frank Sinatra in it,
and I was like, this is fucking great.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
And then I watched Trap, the night Shamalow movie horrible,
loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
He's becoming our Bruno Attie, but he doesn't yet learned
that we need to see boobs, you know, like I
want him. I want him to make the fool jump
and just making stun And then like how I watched
another horrible Blue House anytime I'm like, oh, a Blue
House war movie, Yes, perfect for the trip, you know,
and they're always like this should be seventy minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
It's like at two hours and ten minutes. Like how
what did we need to know? Just hit us, Just
give us seventy minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
That's all we need.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
There's a there is a movie that there's a shamal
On movie that has John Bautista playing a guy that
finds his cabin.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
Is it oh yeah, yeah, Cabin in the Woods?

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I think it is?

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
Yeah yeah with Batista.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah, and they're like religious people that come and they
have to kill their daughter or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
It's suck so bad. Oh my god, it's horrifying bad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
It's so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
But I love the I love the comparison to Pruno Mattaia.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
I want him to become not self aware, like I
don't want it to be trauma, right, but like Runa
like was just like you know what, like when he
made his last like four or five like Philippines shot
on movies, He's like, I'm in the I'm just gonna
make cannibal Holocaust.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
And take the name of it, and like I love
but he's like, you know what would make this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Movie better if I just ripped off all the footage
from K nineteen The Widow Maker, Like I need a
sub Like here's the footage. Just throw it in and
it's just like he's like eighty two in the Jungles
of Philippines shooting shit and like Goldberg's music's in it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
It's great, like and like I want I'm nice mounted
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
I think he's trying because he's like, you know what,
I really want my daughter to be a singer, Like
I love that conceit right, Like so I'm gonna have
my daughter just be Lady Gaga. And this movie and
like also like the whole story of the movie, like
everything you think it's about, like stops twenty minutes in
and you're like what like like literally like I looked

(01:30:32):
at my watch and I'm like, oh my god, this
is only a half an hour in, and like he's
already out of the concert. And when vendger Center puts this,
and that's what I will be like it's over. It's over, Johnny,
Like that's when they end. But like I was watching
it on the plane and I came home and I
tell my wife about it. I'm like, this movie is
so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
She's like, well, now I want to see it. I'm like,
please don't watch it. She's gonna be mad at.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Me because it's so bad and she's like, no, no,
I'm going to watch it and what was She's like,
why the fuck did you make me watch it? And
I'm like I didn't know. I told you everything, and
she's like I just couldn't believe what you were telling
me that it would be that bad. Like the twist
is horrible, like the act like people are acting like
some people are acting like the comedy, other people aren't.

(01:31:13):
Like I'm at that school where it's like, hey, if
we tell you in the mystery right that something is
in it, like it's gonna come up later and be important. No,
none of it is. The only really good part is
like the black guy in the couch at the end
of it, where he's just like, oh, that's the guy
and like, but he's also acting like he's in a
totally different movie, do you know what I mean? Like
he's over, he's shooting for it and as a fan

(01:31:36):
keep making these m night like he like, where can
you go next? Like I thought Old was like the
I thought he screaked the bottom of the barrel, Old
where you like get the twist two minutes in? Now
he's like, I got more shit, I got I definitely
have more that I can bring to you, And every
year he's got another one. He's like I guess is
he he wants to be our Hitchcock, but he's being
our matee And it's an insult to burnha mate that
he is that I say.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
That he's almost there. It's too funny.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
He has to lean into making ship like he has
to fail, like three or four more times. I thought
after Avatar, people like you are not allowed to make
movies anymore, you know what I mean? Like who gets
to that line?

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
No, but Rennie Harlan doesn't because we.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Keep giving him like he made the fuck Cutthroat Island
and like Lost Billions, and they're like, go ahead, and
he's making three I'll make three Strangers movies.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
The first one is The Strangers, Like could I make
it shittier?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Yes? You did. You took any of the any of
the elegance of it out of the movie, anything that
we liked about the Strangers other than the masks, Like
you got the ip for the masks and you made it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
You made shit way to go ready.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Oh my god, I could go off on.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
But he did make Ford Fairlane, right, So like that's
like I'm like, okay, he did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
That, so I like him for that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Let's have that's at least sixty play just on the end, right,
It's that's the only good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Yeah, there's there's another one. I'll add to your list
if you're on a plane, if you ever get a
chance to see w What Wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Woman eighty four?

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Oh my god, Yeah, it's it's shocking, Like I honestly
can't believe sometimes that movies get like ideas get put in,
they get like you said, there's a thousand people working
on the special effects for some of these scenes, and
they thought it would be a good idea to put
Kristin wigg in like a like a tiger suit and
make her like sexy. And I mean not saying whether

(01:33:26):
or not she's attractive, but it's just like that's just
not her thing. Yeah, like horribly miscast. And then I
don't know, the whole thing is just so absurd.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
I had a great time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
I loved it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:36):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I love the plot idea that it's okay for her
to take another human being, put Steve Trevor's brain in
it and have sex with that person against his will.
But that person has no agency. Yeah, and it's like
if he did it, we bet, I can't believe this movie.
I can't believe they did this. And it's like, why
is it nineteen eighty four? There's absolutely no reason for it.

(01:33:58):
And it's also in a nineteen eighty four It you
and I both lived in nineteen eighty four. It did
not look or feel like it was gray and fucking boring,
Like it did not look like that movie all, like
either lean into the xantidude ness of this movie that's
like four years away. Wrong, But it's just like the
First Wonder Woman is actually not bad too, and and

(01:34:21):
like this one's like I think after she did that
Imagine video, all bets were off, you know what I mean,
Like she's like they're like, she can do whatever she wants.
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
No, yeah, that's that's another one that had a lot
of fun with. Okay, so we've got through halfway to
Black Friday. We've got the partner labels. There's a ton
of partner labels we didn't talk about, but I mean,
I truly think the OCN stuff is like just scour
through it and if something catches your eye, give you know,

(01:34:50):
give it a chance. You can watch trailers there. Most
of the movies are on TV. I mean, like there's
a lot of ways.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
To dig into that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
It's just hard to talk about twenty one least is
a month. Oh yeah, I just wanted to call out
a few that I like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Now we're all the way.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Up to subscriber week, So how closely have you been
following the banter online about like people's perception of subscriber week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
It comes up like I belong to one of those
Facebook groups and it's just like there's a lot of
like I see the posts and then I have like
a I don't know if you're like this at work,
Like I look at social media work sometimes just to
be like, oh, take a break for two minutes, and
I've been having a shitty day at work, and I'm
like I'm going to nuke this guy, Like this is
the person that's getting all my my diatribes against and

(01:35:39):
I'm like, no, I shouldn't yell at this person. But
it's all these people like I can't believe them is
doing this to me? Would they do this to me?
And it's like, dude, chi, they're not doing it to you,
And they're trying to make money. That's how it feels
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Yeah, yeah, people are people are the million forms are redded,
I guess. And then just yet, people are disappointed in it,
and I kind of get it, Like, yeah, if you
were to say that there's going to be a release
of Young Gary, Monster from the Deep, the card Player
and their Rage Carrie too, it's kind of a tough
card to bet your month on. Now that being said,

(01:36:16):
Young Gary is a fun movie.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Yeah, it has a horribly affecting monster death at the
end of it. You're like, I can't, but I will
care about Young Garry.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yeah, I think it's better in Paul Gasari. I like
Young Gary. I have to tell you though, in seconds,
I bought The card Player.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
I love The card Player. I realize it sucks. I
realize it's at the shitty end of our genta, but
I feel like it's a movie that I have to
champion because it's like, hey, it's such a it's as
dumb as a Conceit is phenomena, which I love as well,
where it's like what if a serial killer kidnapped someone
forced people to play video poker, what if the professional
was in it, and what if it was made for TV,

(01:36:55):
and I'm like, yeah, when when Godwin played here, they
played the theme song from The Card you Have Different
people were cheering every time they play a song. Literally
the first night I set up started.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Cheering and beck with me. She said, sit down, nobody
likes that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
And I'm like, I do. I like The Card Player.
So again, all my friends were texting like did you
get The Card Player? I'm like, oh yeah, seconds and
like I can't walk up and surely this will sell out.
This is bitter syndromes. First Argenta people are it's like
a wet fart in church. Nobody cared, I guess, but
I do. And I'm excited that they put it out
and I will watch it again and again.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
I don't know, you know, they I keep finding ways
to check on their inventory. Yeah, and they keep finding
ways to like block these these loops.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
So I currently don't have a way of like just
seeing how well it's selling for them. Yeah, I imagine
it'll the limited edition will sell out though, Like I mean, yeah,
it may take a sale or two, but like it'll
sell out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Do you think I There's been this like critical reappraisal
of the Rage carry too and I'm not saying that
as a joke. There has like there's a lot of
people that write online about it, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
Think think it's almost like do you think they leaned
into that too much?

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Because like cat Shay did it, she did Strip to
Kill two, and it's like she's like well considered now
and like looked at as like, oh, she's a female
filmmaker getting things in here, and it's like, but I
remember when Carrie two came out and people on the
level of American werewoop in Paris hated it, right because
it's just not it's not good, it's a cash in.

(01:38:25):
And now people are like, oh, if you took the
carry name off it, it was just the rage people
would like him like they would I'm sure right now
there's someone listening yelling like, you've you sinized, bastard? You like,
why don't you like the rage? That's what I call it.
I don't call it Carry two, but I don't know.
It doesn't feel like again, I could go to my

(01:38:47):
used video store and get this for a buck, Like
what am I going to get there?

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
I will say though, because I'm a part of the
subscription and I kind of just get it in. I
am very curious to see it because one of my yeah,
one of my guilty pleasures is like unnecessary shitty sequels. Yeah, oh,
might meet too, Okay, good? Yeah, and like so I
am actually that's the one I'm the most curious about
because I've had there's a Kuno release of Young Gary.

(01:39:12):
I've had that for years. Yeah, and it's fun. I mean, yeah,
you know what you want out of it. It's like, yeah,
you get it, correct, player. I don't have an opinion
on So I'm excited to see it. I haven't seen
that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
I'm excited, but I will.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
I'll have your voice in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Of my head now saying you excited you but yeah,
the rage is just I don't know. I'm kind of
excited to see it for that reason.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
The dumber if they put out an Urban Legends one
through four, yeah, there are two other ones that nobody
cares about that knows about that or tangibly maybe sequels
like that's kind of shit, like when it's like wait,
like uh, when Erra put out the Wild Things set
that had the other two Wild Things movies, we actually
had the director of Wild Things Too on the show,

(01:39:54):
which was awesome. Because I have so many questions. These
are movies I love where it's like, hey, you know
there's an other Porky's movie. Oh yes, right, exactly, yeah,
and it's like these are the movies I'm fascinated by
because it's like these ip like we have to keep
the rights to it, yes, yeah, and it's amazing and

(01:40:15):
like that's kind of pimp and Peewee was the original
name for that. Also, like Brian Trinchard Smith directed it,
the director of Turkey Shoot, how is this possible? I
asked him about it and he was like, well, you know,
make money and people just give you money big movies.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
I'm like, cool, basic a legend in my.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Dude, I just watched BMX Bandits the other day for
the first time. That movie should not be as good
as it is. Like like he got the memo and
he's like, yeah, okay, I'm just gonna make something awesome.
It's like they did, we just want you to make
the Australian rad and he's liked, no, I could make
something better than rad and and he did. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Have you seen have you listened to him talk like
commentaries or oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Yeah, stunt rhymes? The first BD I ever bought. I
got my because I saw a trailer for it and
I was like, I really need a DVD player. And
I saw it in like stunt Rock Sorcery the band
was selling it, and I was like, like the trailer
for stunt Rock is like the best trailer ever, because
like there's one scene where that dude like spin kicks
an ocelot.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
And I was like, I don't know what is going
on in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
And there's a band that is like out kissing kiss
throwing fire at each other. It's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
It's like made for my my. You know how fast
my brain goes. It's like do you like this? How
about this? We're gonna throw like Grant Page off a
mountain and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Why right? And it's so good? Oh man, Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
I I have a big crush on Brian Chesship Smith
and Jim Way Nursky occupy a similar space in my name.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
Yeah, just underrated directors.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
So the there's a few that I'm super excited about,
but just to get through some of the one that
people were kind of shitting on a little bit. People
were very mixed on Mac and me, but I'm actually
pretty excited about that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
To my friend Austin Tchernich did one of the book
essays about the McDonald's dance scene, and he told me
he needed no research for it. He said, he's been
working his whole life for that, that is, for that essay,
he said, you know, and he said he didn't know
what it looked like, what the box art was gonna
look like. So when he saw like the very mall
photo of it, what's weird though, is like, why.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
Doesn't it have the death footage?

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
You know that there's like another scene in maca me
that's in the Japanese release where the kid gets shot
and like and it's in there, Like I thought there
would be that, and I thought there would be something
about every time what's his name was on Connor and Brian,
they would always put that clip in. It feels like
these are two things that would be awesome to have
on it. Maybe they couldn't get them. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
The Paul Red thing could be right, who knows with
like like NBC or whatever, Yeah, who knows. But yeah,
the other one, it was disappointing not to see, but
I think it fits like the family movies at vs.
The VSU find fits out. They all have really crazy
stuff in them, like a Cleve Yousten, Cloak and Dagger.

(01:43:11):
I love Cloaking Dagger amazing, but like, yeah, it's so sad,
like it's just what like like the slow motion of
that dude dying and the kids just having to watch
the value like cut away.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I love that movie because it's a kid's movie, not
for kids. Yeah, and it's like the only time someone's
like Dadney Coleman can be an action hero, right, and
it totally works. He totally does it. And I love
that at the end it's like is this magic or
is this this kid's It really does a great job
of it. So that's a movie that, like I think

(01:43:42):
when they put it out, I was excited about. So
that was a movie that I think really rich for
discovery Rediscovery.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Yeah, and I think Macamie is going to be in
that camp. I think people are gonna exist it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Yeah. Yeah. And also, like you know, Richard Franklin is
another director that I love, so like that's why I
really was excited about that. But I feel the same
like Mac and Me has some really weird shit in it,
Like the McDonald's tie in stuff is really weird and
I have a weakness for, like you said, unnecessary sequels,
unnecessary remakes is my other big one because like especially

(01:44:16):
to like get me another ET. This movie is like
anything in ET that is art has been jettisoned and
Mac and me right, and it's just like total cash
in bullshit like you got this with a happy mail later, right,
And it's like like Ronald McDonald's in all over this movie.
And it's like, I don't know that this would happen today.

(01:44:36):
I think if anybody else put out something like this,
people would be like, this is so crass. The versions, yeah,
and it's like it's wild. And but this happened all
the time, Like there was a whole spate of ET
cash in movies and none of them were successful other
than maybe batteries included, Asterisk batteries not included. But they're

(01:44:59):
all bad. Extraterrestural visitors that seven put outs great too,
but it's like they all miss whatever magic ET he had.
And but I love that this came out from them.
This felt natural, man, I get the people. It's an
easy punching bag. It feels like to say, why would
they put this out?

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Yeah, but it's consistent because they have all these family
films like on that line that are like underseen or
maybe like kind of following family films. So yeah, this
one feels like right in line the the other one
that I've heard a lot of people. So one more
and then I think everything else for me is overly positive.

(01:45:36):
But one more that people are kind of shitting on
is where no Angels from Cinematograph. I don't really have
a strong opinion on that. To be honest, I don't
it to me, Like I guess if you don't like
Neil Jordan, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
I mean he's sort of particular.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Type, but I don't know, like the movie's fine, it's
it's it's a remake right of a Michael Curtis.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Movie, is a very classic Hollywood movie.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
I don't know it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
To me, it kind of fits, although I have to
admit I'm not like super excited about that one. But yeah,
I'll see it, and like, you know, I know it's
gonna have It has a de Niro and a Sean
Penn Demimore, John c Riley Wallace, Seawan like like gets
stack cast.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
So David Mammontt wrote it too, so I mean it's
a moment. Yeah, it's like ad I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
It's not something I would choose to watch, but it's
not something I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Would turn off. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Once it's on, you just kind of finish it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
But the other cinematograph title, I'm so excited about because
this is a movie that, like I I you know,
when you think about new Hollywood directors, nobody talks about
Elaine Bay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah. Granted, like she didn't have a huge career.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
So I kind of get it. But A New Leaf
is just so good. Have you have you seen it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I haven't seen it now. It feels like she's somebody
that is like there's been a somewhat of a reappreciation
of Ishtar, like it was a punchline for so long. Yeah,
and maybe she was, and she was maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
More known as a writer.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
So yeah, I think I would read through it. I
think i'd like to see that too. That's actually one
that I put on my list when I was going
through this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
If you they're not related to venio syndrome. But there's
a movie that she wrote and I think she directed
as well. I'm pretty sure she directed. It's called Mikey
and Nicky.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
I've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Yeah, just fucking amazing, Like yeah, just uh Peter fuck.
And then John Cassavetti is just going at it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Yeah. I love that. I I could live in those
two just doing whatever they would do.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Together, right, Yeah, especially as like John Cassavetti's directing. But
but he's a good actor too, And I love Mikey
and Nicky so much, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Love Cassavetties too, because like I'm always thinking, like so
many people get to and now, like when someone's like
a big actor, they're like, well, this is gonna be
my art movie and I make it. Versus he was like,
I'm gonna They're gonna blow my head up in the
Fury and I'm gonna do all these moorvies, like just
so I can do Love Streams or I can do
these other movies. And it's like, yeah, man, I love
in Love Streams because it's a cannon movie first off.

(01:48:05):
But also there's a note that's on the fridge that
you can see sometimes because when they were shooting it,
he had unplugged the fridge accidentally to plug in one
of the lights, and his wife was like everything the
fridge spoiled and I had to go back to the
store so there's a note that says, don't open the
fucking fridge anymore, leave it shut, leave it plugged, that asshole,
And like you can see it a couple of times in.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
Love streams and it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
You can see they did the documentary to the canon
also finance, and there's a little scene about her yelling
at him, and it's like, oh, once I saw that,
I'm like, that's awesome. No, it's crazy that Cassavetes can
exist in like the world of doing horror and TV.
But then also it's like, yeah, and probably like one
of our greatest actors and directors ever, but yeah, I
had a fight for everybody worson else too, Like they
had a fight and make this junk so that they

(01:48:48):
could and I love a lot of the junkies in
so but you know, to get to do the things
that they believed in.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Yeah, No, I mean yeah, you think about what John
Cassavetes could career could have been if he had had
unlimited money. Yeah, I think, well, there's a separate conversation here.
I think some of the constraints are also helpful in that.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a separate discussion. But so newly
so the two cinematograph titles. I'm definitely excited about a
New Leaf. The only other one I don't know much about,

(01:49:15):
to be totally honest, is Fire Maidens about Our Space,
but you're excited about it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Yeah, because I have this is they're all my weaknesses
that came out this month.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
Movies that have matriarchical societies in space.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Okay, Like I think it's cause of Amazon Women on
the Moon, right, this is very much that there's like
twelve movies that are all the same movie right where
it's like they go to space. It's all a bunch
of white dudes. They get to space and they find
a whole planet. There's like one monster on it, and
that planets is probably gonna blowout, but the guys all
fall in love with the the women and they take

(01:49:52):
them back to Earth by the end, and it's like
it's it's so comforting, right, and it's like and it's
also like such a fantasy, like we're not going to
go to space, and like Queen about her Space as
josh Aga Bor and and we're not going to go
to space and it's gonna get Joshua Bor or.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
What's her name in Amazon Woman.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
In the moonad Bible Danning, right, Civil Danning, Yeah, that's
what it is. And Cibil Danning was like when I
was a kid, like that movie and young she's a
young wode chatterly to quality. She plays like a nun
and it of course doesn't stay nun for a long
because when she meets the Randy Gardner. But even as
a kid, when I watched Civil Danning movies, I was like,

(01:50:33):
I'm never going to grow up into the adult that
can handle this, right, So like I was very attractive
to her, but also like very understanding that this is
like an uber smench like superwoman that will break me
and like and I will die, like I can't be
in her vicinity, right, and.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
Like that's what I love about her.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
It's like this untouchable nature of her. So yeah, her,
but all these Firewood maidens about her space Ama Costell
go to the Moons another one. I love that one
because like when they go to space, this female space
alien queen like rules her entire planet. Right, but when
she meets bud Abbot, She's like, holy shit, like this
is live like and to me as a fat dude,

(01:51:13):
that totally gives me hope that like she sees but
ab and like I'm gonna go back to Earth with
him and I'm gonna spooch him, Like smooching's like the
biggest deal to him. I love these movies that like
present this and like this is like they're always like
in like nineteen eighty six. Yeah, like in nineteen eighty
six week and like there's yeah the future and there's dials,
there's nothing digital. They're great. So that's why I'm excited

(01:51:35):
about this because I have watched these movies and sometimes
I'll just watch a whole bunch.

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
Of women in a row and like, uh, they're great.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
Women of Wongo is another good one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
The way you're describing that is very similar to the
way that I watch Youngary, or they're very similar the
way I watch Gamma. Uh yeah, it's like they're Reptilicus.
When they put it out, it's just like you know
what you're gonna get, you know the beats. Yeah, but
you're just there for the monster and you're there to
see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
With them, like and I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
It's like a feel right like where it's like these
are like just good, good vibe movies.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
Yeah, yeah, and it's like and I know what's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Gonna I know there's something wrong with the core of
this planet that these and all the women dressed very
much like women from Italian Gothic Corr movies. So I
was like diophan as white gowns and like, uh, lasers
that don't look anything like lazers with like coat hangers
or somethingcau. They had no budget and a lot of
them reuse the same rockets from other movies or the

(01:52:34):
same footage from other movies. I don't know, like those
movies feel like they're like trapped in this like like
amber of like what I love and I don't know
your biology in the vary.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
You may say, why are they putting out firebands in
outer space?

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
And like watch it, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
But you brought up some of the horn of your
side of like Amazon Woman on the Wounds A. Yeah,
something like this inplace in horniness in them. So that's
a good lead into the District Picks title for the month,
because they get They released a Findlay Michael and her
berta Finlay feature which I'm excited about.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Yeah, and the Yoko Ono adult movie Satan's Bed like that.
Anytime you hear people like, you know, Yoka was in
a dirty movie. I'm like, that's yeah. I love Roberta
Family so much because like she hates everything she made
and I love and equally I love everything she's ever done,
especially like her eighties to nineties like weird satanic smut

(01:53:34):
movies like that are like all around the Magic Child
Shop in New York and they're like just goofy right,
and like I love that, Like I love I love
everything she's done, from like toucha the Flesh Trilogy fucking awesome,
Like that's the best shit, Like it's pure movie drugs,

(01:53:54):
like all those like and I love it. And she
also helped produce Sonic Youth, like she ran the studio
the Sonic Youth used to play in like like crazy,
Like I love that you unite two huge influences in
my life. You know that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Yeah, Stan Satan's bed, I guess probably if you're gonna
put like a tagline on it, it's like Yoko when
it was dirty movie, you're right, Yeah, best way to
kind of mark this one. You mentioned this earlier, but
I do want to call it out because I was
very excited for five Dead on the Crimson Cannabis.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
I just I love the idea that somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Grew up watching like Argento and Baba and some of
these people, and it's like, all right, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
I'm gonna make one of these for like ten dollars. Yeah.
Joe Zasa started making movies when he was like twelve.
There's a set that came out last year that did
stuck in the eighties of his movies and like all
his stuff is, he's definitely a horror film lover and
like it's crazy because he made two his movies like

(01:55:00):
that he did when he was twelve, or like creep Show.
He made his own creep Show pretty much like their
anthology movies and they but they have like hand drawn
like a twelve year o kay drew the in between,
so they don't look as good as Creep Show, but
they're awesome because of that. I actually reviewed a bunch
of them and he reached out to me. He's like, hey,
you know, thanks for watching these, like because they were

(01:55:21):
on YouTube, and then we just end up talking and
a couple of times. Yeah, so he's he definitely knows stuff.
I did joke that he's like George Eastman. But he
can cook like he that's his career now, like he
does like he cooks for like movie events and does
acting stuff. But he's a okay and yeah, he's he's
a very interesting character. He's he's the producer of this

(01:55:43):
one and the lead. But he's done a bunch of
movies on his own, and I like all of his stuff.
It's you can tell like when somebody they're very sv
but also as someone that has watched the same movies, Yeah, exactly.
But that movie is also weirdly a beat Nick movie.
What it's like a nineties shot on video beat Nick

(01:56:04):
Jalloh with synth like a lot of Cassio synth. And
I love it, like I'm just you and name are
by it?

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
But you love it so much that you have a
feature on this Yeah all right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
It blew my mind that they asked me, And yeah,
so my feature is called is it Jauloh? And like
I love that argument right when people are like, well
it's a spiry shallo. No it's not, but like people
fight about it, like that's almost all the groups that
I belong to and there where it's like a bunch
of I can say this because I I am it

(01:56:41):
fat old white dudes say, well that's if it's not
made and Italy, it's not Shallo, and like they're very
like you know, gatekeeping about it, about this stuff, and
like that's what this whole thing's about. It's like, well,
this can't be all these things and it's like all
the things I love about Shavoh and also being going
off about I love the Shallo of the late eighties
early nineties, like very much, the forgotten jolly stuff that's

(01:57:04):
been done, so like anything that's on those sets. So
it's like, how does this fit in when it came out?
What else was happening around the world. And also at
the same time, there's a lot of like American influenced
movies because like I have this theory that the we
talked earlier about like the Cinemax movies and like the
Arabic thrillers, there's no difference between it and well, the

(01:57:26):
difference is Irotic thrillers. The sex is more important than
the murders, but they're also very much shallow. And like
the other interesting thing I figured out when I watched
this is like, so I married an ax murderer came
out like a year before this, so that's could be
shallow too. It has you know, like family issues, ax
murders stuff, but also has Beatnick stuff in it, So

(01:57:48):
how does that fit into it? So I had a
lot of fun doing this and it's just goofy and
it's me making fun of the movies that I love
the most. People something got mad at me once and
they're like, oh, you really make fun of fool Gio
a lot. And I'm like, he's my favorite director, and
they're like, what doesn't come off that way? But he is,
like we make fun of like all the weird things
he does in his movies. I'm like, if you're friends
with me, there's a pretty good chance, Like I hope

(01:58:10):
that you'll make fun of me as much as I
make fun of you. I tell people, it's like that
that shit that I have with him. See, I'm really
excited for this to come out because it's my first
it's on dick Outzer, but it's my first like Vineger
syndrome thing, and it's like, wow, Like this is really
rad that I got ask especially for a movie that
I love and like to get to be in it.
And Joe asked and I was like, yeah, and it

(01:58:33):
took me the longest time to get started because I
was like, what what can I say? Do you know
what I mean? Because I always think when I watch extras,
I'm like, well that was a waste, And it's like,
how can I get in and out in five minutes
and keep it fun? And then also but also talk
about things that I love about Jolly and and I
love it because of how goofy it is right and

(01:58:55):
like I love the bullshit science of it, like there
isn't you know? Or gentleman made an entire movie about
the last thing that you see you can get taken
out of your eye and put and you can see
it right. But it's really a whole movie just about
Mimsey Farmer flip it out. Really for him, she looked
just like his ex wife, So he made a movie
about how much he hated his ex wife. I love that,
like when the lights came on and he talks about

(01:59:17):
it in the Fear Book. When the lights came up,
she said, you hate me. All these people know that
you hate me. He's like why, and then he said,
then I realized that the actor I picked look just
like me. No, it doesn't. Are you you look like
a goal, like you're this is not you. But so yeah,
I getting to write about that and talk about that
was really cool and there's some fun stuff in it,
like it definitely. I think if you watched it and

(01:59:38):
you had never watched an English dug late period, jolly,
you'd be like, what is this movie? Like it's so weird.
But if you have and you watch it, you're like, oh,
this is great. Like it's like it needs Carolin different
Second to do a voice in it to be one
hundred percent percent, but like, you know, it's it's cool.
So I'm excited that it seems like people are excited
about this, and I love that they did VHS for

(02:00:00):
it too. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, And just as the VHS
was selling really well, so he was excited about and
he was excited. How many people were We're into a
terror vision put out his other one, the Loss in
the Eighties set, and I think they saw he had
some on a site signed too. That's I got to
sign one because that was thank you. But yeah, he's
I think he's going to be on our show in

(02:00:21):
August hopefully, because he said, because we just did Eyeball
and Autopsy and he's like maybe we do more, shall
I'm like, we don't have to ask me, Like I'll
do I'll do anything, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
So for our audience.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Sometimes they're like these movies didn't make any sense, and
I'm like, have you seen the movies I pick? Like
I always pick shit like this, Like I like to
pick movies that upset people where they're like, who the
fuck made me watch this?

Speaker 7 (02:00:46):
Like that was me?

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Like like I want to do the Mummy theme Park
so bad and nobody like I know that that's a
movie that's going to shut people's brains off. Like this
movie is at the sheer bottom of of cinema and
that's why I like it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Uh, Sam, it's always uh. I always love talking movies
with you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01:09):
I don't even know how long you've been recording, maybe
two hours, but fly.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
Yeah, it's amazing. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
I love your passion. I love the the insights and
wisdom you bring from your experience. You're getting a lot
of love on Visual Vengeance as far as with the
Drive in Asylum Team right, You've been on a bunch
of then releases. Yeah, get on Niger Syndrome. What do
you want to what do you want to draw people to,
Like where do you want people to find you and
watch from your life?

Speaker 4 (02:01:35):
What what sites to go to to find me?

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Yeah, like where you engage with You go to BNS
about movies, just like bands about movies, but BNS this
is back in sam my wife's name bnsmotmovies dot com,
and then let's search that for the podcast to do
like a weekly. The podcast is really short and sweet.
I try to do like five or ten minutes, and then.

Speaker 4 (02:01:56):
That's a site.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
And then you can go to Groovy Doom on Facebook
or YouTube and we're on every Saturday from like eight
Eastern until we're raady to fall asleep because we do
have like a pretty cool format now where we talk
about the movie. And then Bill's really into newspaper. He
also does the Groovy Doom or driving a slam seene
and uh, we really put together like here's the ad

(02:02:18):
campaign for the movie, especially some stuff ran under twenty titles,
or yeah, here's the ways you don't expect it. Then
I do like cocktails that go with the movie. Then
we watch it and then by the third second we're
trashed and we just talk about Uh, it's most of
me talking about Mimsey Farmer for or like you know
Italian actresses that I like and dumb music and shit.
But I really love doing it because it's like I think,

(02:02:39):
what we lose and this is why I love doing
your show, Like what we lose being trapped in our
basements obviously watching Blu rays now or four cases like
that communal experience of watching the theater. And it's like
there's so many movies that like I probably love more,
Like I like Anaconda because I saw it at a
dollar theater with a really rowdy crowd, and like, like I.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
Wouldn't love that movie as much like ice Cube moved.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
To be in the hero of the movie in that
ice instead of being like the third banana, and like
every time you said stuff you couldn't hear because people
were just cheering and yelling and wa lyrics out and stuff.
It's awesome, Like that's what I want out of movie,
so like to be able to talk about it with
people and also to know that I'm not alone where
it's like I'm waiting at like eleven fifty nine am

(02:03:24):
to go to day just seeing what comes up on
the site and be like, yeah, okay, what's coming out.
It's a good feeling. And you you also know a
lot about movies that I like, real movies that I
probably wouldn't watch, versus like I can tell you about
a movie like.

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
Sister sense I shot another shot on video movie about
karate and rap and death. It's very weird.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
I'm obsessed by it now. It's it's really junkie. But
like those are the movies that I know, and it's
like I'm trying to get into, like, oh, these are
real movies and trying to learn more about him, Like
I've really this year, I've really gotten into like that
with certain movies because like my grandmother, My grandmother died
and like I those were her favorite movies and like, yeah,

(02:04:10):
they make me understand her life because like she was
very dramatic, right, Like she didn't leave the house for
thirty years. At one point, she was a morphobic and
like imitational life is one hundred percent her, Like she
could have made that movie, right, like the fact that
like the Mom takes the whole movie to die and
the Maiden, like she's dying when it starts and like
two and a half hours later she's still dying, and

(02:04:33):
like that movie is like pure drama. Like it's like
and it's very John Waters too, Like you can see
where John Waters watched those I was like, yeah, and
it's like and I love it, Like I probably wouldn't
have liked it as a kid, but now that I'm older,
if my grandmother's passed on, I'm like, oh, I get
her now, like and it's kind of cool to watch
those movies. And so that's this is my journey to
Like eventually I will go to the Criterion question, but

(02:04:55):
right now, I'm still like in the film arrage U
Greek World movies.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
But I mean, like, this is why I love Bleeding
Skulls so much. This is why I love Acvist so much.
Saturn's Core, Like if you if you talk to Ross
from Saturn's Core, you can see that this is not
a job for him, Like he's been obsessed with this
stuff for his whole life, and like he's able to
make money on it, which is great, but like there's
nothing else he could do, like he knows, like there's
an amazing story with one of his collections where this

(02:05:25):
guy he called it this guy in the UK, and
he's like he hadn't thought about his own movies this
guy hadn't thought about his own movies in the thirty years.
And he's like, no, I don't think I want you
to put him out and he's like, I don't add
a bad experience. Once and Ross was able to show
him a letter that they had corresponded with each other
twenty five years ago, and he's like, I've been tracking
you know, you're just like fuck man, that's like it's amazing,

(02:05:46):
Like there's you know, there's so much genuine love. And
then I think Erica and Lance and Unsung Horrors fill
that void well. And then I always point people to
you as well, because thank you. Yeah, like there's this
class of people that are in the gutter, so to speak,
but like you elevated up and you make it exciting
and you see, you're able to see why people love
these movies.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
And I love that. I really love that. So yeah,
that's what I always think is like I would watch
this many movies anyway, and I always think like, so
it's like at least I'm doing something with my time,
and maybe I'm getting other people into it. Do people
want to watch religious horror movies? Maybe not, but like
I'm certainly going to write about it, you know, and

(02:06:24):
like or people want to know this much about ron Orman?
Maybe not, but like, you know, hopefully they'll hang with
me for the next thing that I'm writing about or
the next thing I'm talking about. So but this is
really cool coming on this because you also made me
realize like, oh, like I didn't buy this Vinegar Syndrome releast,
like maybe I do need this one, or maybe at
least I need to check it out. And then you know,
this happens a lot with like I would have never thought,

(02:06:47):
like Blonde Death is a release that came out like
when I saw it for the first time, like this
movie is great, Like it's so good, and like nobody
I'd never heard of it, nobody talks about it, and
it's like how does this movie going or any gradar absolutely,
and like so that's why I love what you're doing.
It's like, hey, people know that you can buy movies
on the site, but they might not know, you know.

(02:07:08):
And then also I like that you're open mind enough
to be like, hey, yeah, maybe Golden Child isn't for you,
but there are reasons and you know, we say this
now and then next year when like Mean Girls comes
out in a four K edition, we'd be back, what
the fucker really? You know, when a movie forty seven
will be that that's the one that or the what's

(02:07:31):
the one that the guy, the Slap Chop guy put out?
Remember that dude had like the he remember the slap
or the sham Wow guy wherever he put out like
the the app movie or whatever. It was like he
put out his like a tyken Fried movie and it
was like, this is the most offensive comedy ever. Yeah,
and you're like, I know, and I'm gonna be watching

(02:07:54):
it next week for the site. D'm and just like
that be the dividing one. That's when we'll quit.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
That's when it is finally over. Yeah, it would have
to be new ownership, I think, to get those two
particular ones.

Speaker 4 (02:08:10):
But yeah, it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
What's Vince from Sham Sham Wow writes me a letter
or not? He's like, look, I know I got beat
up by a prostitute in Florida. Everybody made fun of you,
but I don't need you talking shit on my phone
and I can get together and go make a movies.
What if my pillow dude made a movie.

Speaker 4 (02:08:26):
That's a movie I would watch.

Speaker 2 (02:08:28):
I'm obsessed with these like Dean Kane, like you know,
you know what I mean, like these, Why is Eric
Roberts not in these religious movies?

Speaker 4 (02:08:34):
Like that'll be his next thing. Oh my god, he
has to make the crossover.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
It's like these people that like these are the only
movies that they're making, or these kevin'spah my God. Sorbo's
movies are Oh my God, God's Not Dead is one
of the craziest movies. And if you've seen it, no,
oh my God. So he's a I promise I'll let
you go to this. He is a it's gonna be
on the show. It's on the last podcast did. He

(02:09:01):
is a professor who hates God because and he because
of reasons, and he makes every kid that comes into
his class sign a document that says God is dead
because one kid disagrees. By the end of the movie,
he convinces the entire class that God's not dead. Kevin
Sorba's character gets so mad he runs out of the building,

(02:09:22):
breaks up with his girlfriend, and gets hit by a
car and dies.

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
But before he dies, one of the guys from.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
Duck Dynasty and the kid who had been debating him
come out and save his soul, and then they all
go to a concert and everybody celebrates and they make
fun of him for not believing in God his whole
life while he's dead. It's fucking crazy. It's like it's
all these movies where they're like everybody is against why
is the world against us? There's also other stuff that happens,

(02:09:47):
like a Muslim girl becomes Christian and her father tries
to kill her. There's a lot, right, but it's all
this like weird, Like the people that are winning the
world constantly feel under attack, and that's who these movies
are for, and they're awesome for it because it's like
none of this shit ever happens in the real world. Like,
but I heard about this from a friend of a friend,
and I know these and these movies show you this

(02:10:09):
world that doesn't exist. And these movies therefore become the
examples that people use when they tell you ten.

Speaker 4 (02:10:16):
Stars love them.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
I'm gonna start a wave, well just to put out
these movies, right people, I'm not gonna fucking buy that.
That's my new partner label.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
Yeah, the Media franchise and the Kevin Sorbo franchise.

Speaker 2 (02:10:28):
Oh my God, Kevin Kevin Soorbo extras on all these
and but then I have to go back and delete
on my old tweets where I talk shit on him
and and uh, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:10:37):
And I'll be like, oh, Hollywood, the fickle business. He
won't care as long as heasing his check.

Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
He's get paid, right, Maybe I just produced he can
be in my next Amityville movie, Amityville Dollar General.

Speaker 4 (02:10:48):
That's my next one.

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
It's about a cursed Amityville dollar Dollar General in Amityville
that sells horrible things that everybody buys and gets killed.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
That's actually a great one because it'd be easy to
pass on the evils because doll General everything's kind of
dirty and possessed anyways.

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
And I just need to convince Dollar General to let
me do it, because I'm like, look, you guys have
a story every three miles across the US, you have
a distribution chain. You guys need to start making your
own movies. Kevin Sorbo will be in them, and Eric
Roberts and that's it. And uh and they'll be directed
by and Mike Shamalan. Yeah, I brought it all together.

Speaker 4 (02:11:22):
Perfect tending. Thank you for having me Sam. It has
been a pleasure, awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:11:34):
I love I love any conversation I get to have
with Sam on or off Mike uh and I'm glad
y'all got to have another chance to sit down with
him for a few hours. Thank you so much, Sam
for that. Let's see moving right along. We have Celeste
who is back. I'm very excited that she's back, and Celiste.

(02:11:56):
I think you're going to try to pronounce some French names.

Speaker 7 (02:11:58):
So good luck, okay, everyone, good evening, Welcome back to
fifteen Minutes with You. This is the segment where I
review all the new titles that came out on the
Vininger Syndrome Malusine Sister site. I understand that we are
pretty late once again, as is my wont but in
my defense, if you have been keeping up in my

(02:12:20):
personal life, many things are a foot.

Speaker 2 (02:12:24):
Much is happening.

Speaker 7 (02:12:25):
And this had a six film set in it, so
come here and break okay, So with that, and then
the two film set, and then the big one with
all the supplements. There were nine films, one of which
was like a chunky set with supplements and a booklet
and all that. So we're doing our best here Okay,

(02:12:45):
I like to do these in the order that I
watched them, So first is from Tikarama. This is the
Baby Rosemary and Hot Lunch double feature. Starting with Baby Rosemary. Obviously,
this is, you know, clearly a play on Rosemary's Baby,
and it kind of looks like it might be a
little bit skeevy and creepy. It's definitely like a baby

(02:13:08):
slash toddler themed art going on and everything like that.
It's definitely about a woman with daddy issues, but she's
fully grown, which is appreciated. And yeah, I gotta say
that this one's a bang art. This one is definitely
on the artsier side. I mean, aside from the title,
there are sequences that kind of remind me of Rosemary's Baby,

(02:13:30):
just in that they're a little bit horrific and traumatic
and all that, but that association is probably being forced
into my brain from the title. I'm told that this
is like a soft pornographic remake of one of this
director's earlier films. I'll have to seek that out, because
this was really quite good. The sex scenes don't feel perfunctory,
but they also don't feel like the point. This is

(02:13:51):
definitely a character study and exploration of childhood trauma and grief.
There's like this weird sex cult that follows her around.
I definitely want to sample their chant at some point.
There's also this really extended and sort of bizarre sequence
in a funeral parlor. So if that all sounds like
you're kind of thing, I definitely recommend this film. There's
no supplements on this release, as is typical for the

(02:14:14):
Pekorama releases, but this kind of feels like it isn't
obvious classic to me and like one that I would
put in a starter kit for people who aren't into
hardcore but are into weirder stuff like horror an exploitation
if you'd like it, So I would encourage folks to
give this one a chance. I landed on a seven
out of ten for this, but that's a strong seven

(02:14:34):
and I'll definitely be revisiting this one. Next up, we
have Hot Lunch from the same director. I believe this one,
I don't know. There's not much to it. It's definitely
the lesser of the two features. It's just about a
guy who loses his job and figures out he's being
cheated on. So it goes out to so he goes
out to find like new work, but he just keeps

(02:14:55):
getting seduced at every stop, so it's just kind of
like a series of job interview that turned into sex scenes.
I guess it's fun for what it is. You know,
it's worthy enough of being here, and I'm glad it's
restored and out there, but it's definitely not why you
buy the set, and I wouldn't recommend this release if
it was just this, but it's worth a watch if
you already watched Baby Rosenary and you enjoyed it, just

(02:15:16):
to get another take on this director's sort of style. Okay,
moving on to Last Tango in Paris from Distri Picks.
This was a really insane get, Like I couldn't believe
that the Distric Picks had this. This felt like a
perfect Vinigerson Drum release. And hopefully I can ask someone
at some point why this ends up being a Distri
Picks instead of Vinegerson Drum, because it really would have

(02:15:36):
made sense to me. But there were two different slocover options,
one on the Vinegerson' Droom site, one on the Maleusine site.
To me, the one on the Meliusne site is clearly
the superior one, so I would say definitely go for that.
But it's still available too, which is crazy. It's sold
out in the Vinegerson Room site pretty quickly, but the
Malusine version is still available and clearly the superior one.

(02:15:57):
So go cooop this up. If you're a fan of
this film. Some people might think that it's sold out,
but it's not. You just got to go to the
dirty site to the cooler site, you know what I'm saying.
But this is Bernardo Bertolucci, who is a pretty legendary director,
and this is an extremely controversial film, so I guess
just to get it out of the way. If you're
not aware. Maria Schneider the co lead opposite Marlon Brando

(02:16:20):
in this film, they'll just take a second to acknowledge
that there's a Marlon Brando film on the He's scene site.
That's pretty insane. But Ria Schneider, who played as his
sort of lover slash whatever the hell'se theay are going
on in this film, she said that the infamous rape
scene that uses a dish of butter was not originally

(02:16:43):
in the script, and they kind of sprung it on
her the day of and pressured her into doing it,
and she didn't want to do it, but she didn't
know that she had the rights as an actress to
just refuse. Like she was pressured into it and felt
like she had to, and so she felt even though
it was simulated, she felt as though it was like
really humiliating and she felt kind of I think the
word she used was emotionally raped by the scene. So

(02:17:05):
a lot of people will refuse to watch it, like
straight up, and Verba Lugi has pretty much admitted that
he did this in a really shifty way, and he
doesn't regret it because he thinks it's a good scene
in a good film. So you know, you could say
that it's a remnant of the past or whatever, but
it is pretty unacceptable and it is the sort of
thing that I think is worth keeping in mind. I
don't know how much it should affect your perception of

(02:17:28):
the art itself, but it is an unfortunate reality about
the circumstances under which it was created. And you know,
I don't think that this knowledge took too much away
from the film, but I will say it does go
ahead in hand with my primary critique, which is that
knowing that it comes from this dude who is clearly
not super kind to women that he has power over

(02:17:52):
and clearly has some hang ups and feels confident in
manipulating women to do humiliating things, and you will justify
it decades later, like it's not the film that came
out of that person. Is not surprising to me, And
to me, my biggest critique of this is that it
feels gross. I think it feels misogynistic, and I guess
that that's an obvious critique, or you know, you might

(02:18:15):
have hoped that I would have had the subversive take
that it's actually this like feminist masterpiece or whatever. And
I think people have argued successfully that it is still
interesting despite its problems, and that the Maria's Schneider's character
is multifaceted and very well written in a strong character.
But to me, I just the way that it made

(02:18:36):
me feel I have the experience that I have with
it is that it is just straightforwardly a kind of
misogynistic sex fantasy. And I don't even think that be'st controversial.
I think that he pretty much says that that's what
it is. So yeah, it's kind of a rough watch,
but I will say it's not all bad. I landed
on a five out of ten, so I didn't hate it.
The cinematography is truly just astonishing, and the restoration looks beautiful.

(02:18:59):
The performances are excellent. Like in terms of its technicality,
it's a really really beautifully and brilliantly made film. But unfortunately,
I just think the script is bad. I think it
is in foretaste, and I think it is a very
creepy masturbatory like male rapes and fantasy film, and I'm
not super into it on that level for sure. So

(02:19:20):
fortunately we do have plenty of special features on this one.
A Uganu Orchilani did a great job with the features
on this. I don't really have any particular to recommend,
and that's not because you genuine did a bad job
or anything. I just don't think that the people who
interviewed are particularly interesting, if I'm being blunt. Oh, there
is one thing in the conversation with Bertolucci, it was
just an archival interview. He says that a lot of

(02:19:42):
people say that the film is like obviously better in Italian,
but there's no language options on this. I was actually
going to go back and see if that was any better,
but it's just the one English so interesting. I don't
know if there's an Italian cut floating out there somewhere,
but I would be interested in seeing it. But yeah,
the essays in the book are really interesting. Allison Anders,
who is a pretty prolific film director, actually wrote an

(02:20:03):
essay on how powerful and influential the score to this
film is, which inspired me to listen to the score
on its own. She actually directed a film called Things
Behind the Sun I think is what it's called, and
that's one that I caught a long time ago in
the Criterion Channel, and I thought it had some bad
politics of the three cards to sexual assault and gender,

(02:20:24):
but otherwise it's a well made film and I would
be interested to see more of her work. Jim Hemple
does a pretty good history of the film, sort of
deal and kind of really defending what makes it great,
which I thought was compelling, and Heather Drain does a
similar thing on a more analytical front. Hemple spends a
lot of time focused on Marlon Bradma's performance, which I
think is a good analysis. But Heather Dren, I think

(02:20:47):
is kind of put in a position of defending has
a reputation for being a fairly misogynistic film, and I
love Heather and her work is incredible and this is
no different like this film. I mean this as I
almost talked the end of liking it, but you know,
my experience is what it is, so that is what
it is. But I think it's worth a purchase if
you want. Like I guess, I think this is an
important film in film history, and I think that it

(02:21:08):
provokes interesting philosophical discussions, So on that front, I think
it's worth a purchase. If you're a fan of the film,
obviously this is the way to go. But if any
of what I just said resonates with your sounds like
the kind of thing you're not into, you might want
to watch this one first, or just avoid it entirely.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (02:21:25):
And finally from Pulse Video, which is a label out
of France that releases things through the vs N mal
you scene sites fairly sporadically, but I'm always interested in
their work when they do. This is actually I think
my first release from them. But this is Jose Benezarov
The Forbidden Films. This is a French director who I

(02:21:48):
guess had a pretty long career of subversive filmmaking, a
lot of political and social commentary, and obviously nudity and
sexual elements and violence and this said and the other
just all around subversive type figure. And these are six
of his previously I think lost or hard to find films.
Let me see in the description here, now for the

(02:22:09):
first time, you can experience six rare and even lost
films from Benezderov's most controversial period. I'll newly seem from
the original negative so that's directly from the copy. So yeah,
it's cool that they found the negatives. And I wish
they'd told me which ones of these were actually lost.

Speaker 2 (02:22:25):
But what can you do.

Speaker 7 (02:22:26):
They all look pretty beautiful, like you could tell they're
in rough shape, and there's some sections that are better
than others. But overall, I think that this is a
really compelling and interesting set, and they did a good
job restoring everything. My main I'm really only critique, you know,
despite the fact that some of the films aren't particularly interesting,
that just kind of is what it is. My main
critique is that there's no selfplements on here. I would

(02:22:47):
have really loved some kind of even just a fifteen
minute introduction from some kind of expert or scholar just
introducing me to this director because I don't really know
anything about him, and the set honestly doesn't help. Like,
the most you learn about it, the most context you
receive is it literally just in the copy, looking at
the numbers on letterbox and all that. I am one
of single digits number of people right now that have

(02:23:10):
actually watched this entire set, So I guess that puts
me in an interesting position. But if I get any
plot details wrong or anything like that, please forgive me.
I actually just understanding things on my surface plot levels
the part that I most struggle with in analyzing films.
So if I say I don't know what happened or
if I get something wrong, do you forgive me? Okay,

(02:23:31):
the first film is called Black Love. It's definitely not
the worst film to be to entitled Black Love. That
goes to Herschel Gordon Lewis with one of the worst
films I've ever seen. One is at least interesting. Oh,
another critique I have is there's not English SDH subtitles,
and this is largely in English, and the sound quality
is really bad and I can't understand most of it.
So again, I can't really do much in terms of

(02:23:54):
understanding what's going on here, But you could tell that
there's definitely like social and political commentary happening here, Like
this is a socially conscious porn film, which I'm always
appreciative of on some level. I will say, for a
film called black Love, there's a lot of white lesbian
savoc sex here. That's something that comes up a lot
in this man's films. He's really in the lesbians. So

(02:24:15):
you know, that's fun for me at least, and I
enjoy that that's something that we share. But I will
say that, Oh, another thing that's interesting is that he
references himself often. My characters will be talking about the
newest then Azarov film, So that's I don't know it's
worth in noting.

Speaker 2 (02:24:32):
I suppose.

Speaker 7 (02:24:32):
So I gave this one a five out of ten.
It's not, you know, an amazing film or anything, but
it is interesting for what it is. Moving on to
the next one, we have Loveov. My friend she's Pronuncia,
she's probably terrible there. In English it's called The Randy Widow.
They gave this one a six out of ten. Honestly,
I'm not sure what happens according to the copy Infidelity
in a country chateau leads to deadly consequences. That's about

(02:24:55):
the most of it that I picked up. It's pretty short,
but I asked some really beautiful image, Like this is
clearly an artist making art, right, It's not just worthless
smut or anything, which even in his most quote unquote
worthless form, I don't think is worthless. But again, this
is definitely like a pretentious French guy making films, for sure,

(02:25:16):
and that results, generally speaking in some pretty beautiful imagery.
So I give it just a set of ten. Just
on that, all right, here we go, do my best.
The next one is La due Glean. It translates to
the two Dikes, which is really really confusing because there
are not two dikes in this film. If there is,
that's not what the film is about. And the only
lesbian scene is in a three way, and then there's

(02:25:38):
a really really rough scene you know maybe Okay, so
I'm gonna have to spoil this, so you know, skip ahead,
I guess if you don't want to hear that. But
this is far and away the most interesting film in
the set, and probably the reason you would purchase it
at all I had. I actually watched this film twice
and it's just to make sure I understood what was happening,
because I swear to God, when you pull up the
plot synopsis that's going around on the internet, it's just wrong. Like,

(02:26:02):
that's not what it's about. I helso asked chat Jfez
what this film is about, and it was like, oh,
it's this really subversive film about saffiic and you know,
a queer love, and like, that's not what it's about.
I actually watched it. I promise you it's not. So
it's about this lawyer guy who is cheating on this
really powerful lawyer who he's cheating. Well, he's not cheating

(02:26:24):
on the lawyer guy, he's having sex with that guy's wife.
So his wife is cheating on him with this dude,
and their daughter is not happy about that. She loves
her father and doesn't want this skive, weirdo perve guy
like encroaching on their family life. So she basically, like
I think she's like fourteen or so, maybe sixteen in
the film, and you know, she like seduces this guy

(02:26:50):
and he assaults her statutorily rapes her in the woods,
and then she's like gotten you, bitch, andep your career
you're fucking canceled my guy. And then that's what happens,
and then he is in prison for a little bit,
and then this powerful lawyer and a powerful judge basically
come up with an agreement. They're like, hey, this dude

(02:27:13):
is like associated with like some union busting and like
he keeps people in line, and like there's this like
leftist collective that like would get out of hand if
this guy was put in jail, or like if our
reputations were tarnished over this sort of scandal. So let's
let's keep this on the d L, you know, and
this guy can marry your daughter and then everything's on
the up and up and it's fine. So then it

(02:27:36):
goes from there. I'm not going to spoil more than that,
but let's just say that this is a rape and
revenge film and there's some incest that goes on in here,
and maybe those are the two dykes, but I don't
think that that's actually I don't think that they're genuine lesbians,
especially not the victim in this circumstance. But yeah, that's
how it goes. This film's really fucked up. It's uncomfortable,

(02:27:57):
it's definitely not erotic, but it's interesting, it's a it's
a downer, it's a tough watch, and it's at this
point where I can tell this guy's a leftist and
he's making very political films. So I actually gave this
one of seven out of ten. I think it was
pretty fascinating. And then these were the ones that I
found that I struggled with the most in terms of
figuring out what's going on. The first one is Louptlock

(02:28:21):
and then the second one is Loptlok two. I mean,
the Coffee just says explores hard eroticism in two different
crime stories, one a violent thriller and the other a
light comedy. So that doesn't help. So the English one
of those two titles refers to The Hideout, and I
guess the first one is about some kind of assassination plot,
but that's kind of all I couldn't glean, and I

(02:28:42):
don't know. I give this one a five out of ten.
I didn't get much out of it, But the second
one I gave a six out of ten and found
to be quite amusing. Apparently I didn't see how this
was a sequel at all. But according to the only
review on letterbox, which I really appreciate because we were
really down to the wire to like find other people
who had even seen this and could help me understand
what this. But like this is about. Apparently there's there's

(02:29:05):
a hit man in the first movie and he is
experiencing a rectile dysfunction with his wife and he's going
to therapy for that, and he's having group sex with
I don't know if it's a group sex necessarily, but
him and his buddy are like having the same problem
and they're fucking their wives in the same room at
the same time, and they can't.

Speaker 2 (02:29:23):
Get it up.

Speaker 7 (02:29:24):
That's kind of it, and it's kind of gay, to
be honest, Like they're kind of it seems like they're
a little into each other, and I'm like, hey, man,
you can just be gay if you can't get it
up for women, it's okay. But one of them kind
of does at the end and says some pretty vile
esogynistic stuff. But it's a pretty interesting film about male

(02:29:44):
insecurity and toxic masculinity and that kind of thing. And
then the final film is JB.

Speaker 2 (02:29:49):
One.

Speaker 7 (02:29:50):
This was just a straight up kind of meta art film,
no narrative, just kind of like various sex scenes and
then scenes of the behind the scenes, like the scenes
themselves being filmed. It's really pretty looking. It doesn't really
bore me. It's not it doesn't overstay.

Speaker 4 (02:30:04):
It's welcome.

Speaker 7 (02:30:05):
Sixty minutes long, and I don't know that it says
anything interesting, but it's at least trying, which I think
is interesting in and of itself. Right. The idea of
trying to make a kind of meta subversive art film
in the erotic space, I think isn't noteworthy in the least.
I don't know necessarily what they're saying is interesting, but
the fact that they're trying is interesting. I've said the

(02:30:25):
word interesting a lot of times, so I'm going to
try to stop there. But those are my reviews for
the month. I recommend all three releases with caveats, except
for the first one, the Pikarama double feature, I just
kind of endorse wholeheartedly.

Speaker 2 (02:30:37):
So go pick that up.

Speaker 7 (02:30:39):
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if you want. And that's it. Thanks y'all, see you
next time. I'm fifteen minutes with you.

Speaker 2 (02:30:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:30:49):
I just want to stress the idea of going to
support ce Le's goofundme I'll make sure it's linked. And yeah,
Slus is amazing, and I would love to if y'all
are a fan and you're not supporting her, go do it.

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Patreon member or higher. Well, that is at the end

(02:31:32):
of May, June, and July and the books in one
long episode. I love to hear feedback on.

Speaker 2 (02:31:42):
Just how this was.

Speaker 3 (02:31:45):
As I said before, I don't have any idea the
best way to approach all these crazy sales months and stuff,
and you know, I'm, yeah, I'm curious to see how
this episode was. I figured better bring in somebody that
knows a lot about movies, and let's just kind of
talk about it in summary, because there's just a lot.

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Right by the time your wallet starts to recover from
the May sale, and all of a sudden, it's the
subscriber week, and now finally we're going to get back
into some regular routines for a while August, September, October,
and then obviously you go into Black Friday, and then
it's Quiet in December and then subscriber Week again. So yeah,

(02:32:33):
this episode twenty three in the books. Thank you all
for being here. I think next what I'm going to
try to do in August, I've teased this before. I'm
going to try to dedicate it to some of the
Hong Kong cinema, so do like a sh August type
a sh August type episode.

Speaker 4 (02:32:56):
I hope to have some guests.

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
They have both verbally confirmed, not just a matter of scheduling,
so I hope both both the beginning near the first
of August and mid August are some different exciting guests
who can talk about their love of Hong Kong cinema
and some of the work that VS is doing in
the space. Until then, you can find me online and

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