Episode 27 - Sleazy and Repellent: The VS Back Catalog Horror Episode - Punk Vacation: An Unofficial Vinegar Syndrome Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Punk Vacation and Unofficial Vinegar Syndrome Podcast.
This is episode twenty seven. This podcast is all about finding
the joy and unfettered creativity. It's a podcast dedicated to
bringing awareness and context movies of budget from anywhere and
during any time. I am your host, Eli Oldsberg. I
am joined by my co host. It's his first time

(01:07):
ever doing the show. Welcome back, Chris Haskell.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Hello Eli, thanks for inviting me on.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, happy to have you.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I'm sure most people listening are returning listeners so they know,
but just in case if you missed a few episodes,
I am officially the co host of Punk Vacation Now
this is technically my second episode as a well not
technically it is my second episode. It's a co host,
but we thought it'd be fun for me to kick
off the intro with Chris and we'll go back and

(01:37):
forth every every month is going to be a surprise
on who's doing the Who's doing the intro, so you'll
have to tune in next time to find out. And
we're really happy to have back. Celesta Lecabro, Welcome back, Celeste.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Hi, thanks for having me, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
For being here. This is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I mentioned to Chris the reason I wanted to have
you on as we usually cover you know, when the
last time we did this as a group was for
the February Malu scene sale, and you know, you obviously
covered the E fifteen minutes with You segment, covering a
lot of their well their adult titles, and we thought
it'd be fun to talk horror instead because we're going

(02:15):
to be covering a lot of horror this month, and
Crystal kind of jump more into why we're doing the
structure we're doing for this episode, but I think it's
going to be really fun, and I think, sorry, I
guess I should say the reason. The other reason is
you don't just know your horror stuff, but you were
a Vinegar Syntrip subscriber, so not now, but you were
for a couple.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Of years, and.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That includes a lot, especially from the era you were subscribing.
That includes a lot of horror, particularly a lot of
stuff that would be relevant to I think October and
kind of what we're going to be talking about for
the first half of this How long were you subscribing for?

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Again, I think it was two and a half years.
I think I did a halfway and then I did yeah,
and then I did a full year, and then I
renewed for the year, and then my whole life took
us and I couldn't afford it, either with my money
or my time, so it just, yeah, we moved on
to other things. But I still am a big fan

(03:09):
of Vineger Syndrome and I still order where I can,
and I'm still catching up on my on last year's
titles because I had the subscription and I'm probably halfway
through them. But yeah, I feel like the times that
I was watching everything, there were some really great things
that came out, some more obscurities that I think have
probably fallen by the wayside with a lot of their

(03:30):
big announcements in the past year or so. So I
probably to bring light to some titles that feel like
they just came out to me. I feel like I
just reviewed them, but are probably ancient relics to newer
Vineger Syndrome fans. So hoping to shed some light.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
On those, well, oh, go ahead, Chris, I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Just quickly, I'll take it a step further and say,
when I first had this idea. I asked soe Les's
permission if she'd be okay if I did this show,
because she's the Vinegar Syndrome expert and I was the
one coming into the newcomer. So yes, this is this
is the Last World, and I'm feel lucky every week
to be a part of it.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
But now I'm happy to pass the torch because I
couldn't handle that anymore. And you're, I think, a better
candidate to do this. So I'm very.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Welcome to the Last World two point zero. I'm your host,
Eli Oldsberg.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
We're actually going to scratch that intro and yeah, I well,
I think also just to piggyback on that, I guess
to talk about Vinegar Syndrome for a second in terms
of like the the horror and forgotten stuff. You know,
I do think that thirty one days of Sintober thing
they're doing right now is good for that too, for
people listening who don't know. For the month of October,

(04:38):
if you go to Vinegar Syndrome's website every morning, I
want to say, at nine am Pacific New and Eastern,
they an employee recommends a new title, and whether that
I don't. I don't know if those employees get like
they're like, hey, you can only mention these titles and
this is the criteria because maybe sometimes there's trying to
offload stuff cheaper and it's a good way to have
that or But that being said, they do pull especially

(05:00):
from when they get the recommendations are from the people
who did a lot like involved on the restoration or
the archive side. They and by the archive side, I
mean like archivists, not the archive, the store. They they
highlight some really good titles and they let you like
bundle them all up in free shipping, like in theory
if you bought all thirty one days, which is crazy,

(05:22):
but if you did, you could actually get it all
for six dollars shipping. If you're not a subscriber, like
they let you order stack it so you can like
really bundle up a lot of good shit.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
And if you don't, if you just see one thing
you like, you can just get it.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
But the point being like it does bring up a
lot of the titles, Like today when we're recording this,
they're doing Criminally Insane and Satan's Black Wedding, which I
think is super fun. Double I know, Nick Millard can
be very divisive, but those Yeah, I think it's supers
It's a great double it's probably his best of what
I've seen so far. That's a relative term to Nick

(05:58):
Millart's filmography when I say best, just.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
As a quick tangent.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
You know, there's a movie that there's some overlap in
spirit between early eerro video and what Vinegar Syndrome is
doing now, I think, and I think Criminally Insane is
a great example of this, because can you imagine the
Criminally Insane and Microwave Massacre double feature.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I just feel like they played so well together.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, you know, it's not that far off from I mean,
Severin was also kind of when you really think back,
like with with like vs and like a lot of
their stuff, there's some of that's from Severn too, but
like there was also a lot of it was also
like something weird video and like it's crazy how much
of that was kind of around but for a different
kind of Like I don't know the way people were

(06:44):
collecting back then, because DVD is such a different animal,
Like it was so much cheaper, it worked so much
more differently. You know, once in a while there'd be
something with a booklet or a lenticular thing. Anchor Bay
obviously was the genesis of that. I think that's come
up multiple times on the show. But like it went
from like the the you could draw like a straight
line from like Anchor Bay to Blue Underground to every

(07:06):
other label, every.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, Boutique, Blu Ray World now right.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Totally yeah, because even Shout back when they were when
they were doing their blue rays, they also were doing
obviously like the doubles and stuff, and some of them
are real grindhouse ye you know. They had like, uh,
that caged heat Jackson County Jail double, and that seems
like something that would be right at home at like
an early VS release.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
I feel like Shout Factory, we don't have to talk
about them much, but they they're my most frustrating label
because I love their curation and I hate how much
they care about the movies like.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
They they they.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Were the first company to put out Do you remember
that old comedy that animated cartoon called Home Movies? Oh
of course, so, celest I don't. I don't know you're
exactly your style of humor, but I think it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
That was that for for I guess people listening who
don't know who are not as old as Chris and I.
That was a particular that was from the Adult Swim era.
It was like a show that I think debuted on
I want to say upn in like the late nineties
I think, and or no, early two thousands maybe, but

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but whenever it debuted, it didn't do well at the time,
and then it had a resurgence when Adult Swim blew
up and it aired on there a lot. And so yeah,
I remember they put out like a DVD box set
or was it a Blu ray box set?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, a DVD. No, that was one of the first.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
It was like two thousand and one too, like they
already releasing that on DVD, like they and it's the
those those people all went on to do Metal Acalypse
if that means anything like that, so really good. Yeah,
and then I don't know what they're doing now, but
I'm sure that Brandon Smalls is still working in.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Some oh I've yeah, yeah, he's he's still around. He's
doing some I mean, he tours a lot of that stuff.
I not in like a name drop you way. But
he had a great I did a stand up show
that he like guest hosted on at Centophile Video here
and like it was really cool. Yeah, he's he's he's around.
I've seen him at shows and stuff and he's he's
still kicking for sure. Well, I think, and I could

(09:12):
be wrong about this, but I believe at the time
when that was released that might have actually been through
Rhino Entertainment. They I want to say they got absorbed
by And again this is purely off memory. They might
have been absorbed. No, No, they're still around. Rhino Entertainments

(09:33):
still around. But I remember they put out a lot
of stuff, and I feel like some of the stuff
they put out, some of that eventually became like shout
Factory stuff, because I think Rhino.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Was mostly music related.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, and again I could be way off, but I
know that I remember I used to see stuff with
like Rhino Entertainment that sometimes Shout Factory would put out later.
But I think one of the earliest, one of the
earliest shout Factory DVDs I bought when they just formed
Screen Factory was that Slumber Party Massacre Triple Feature dB.
But anyway, yeah, we don't we don't have to go
on too much of a tangent because I don't even

(10:05):
who knows if shout Factory is going to be around,
Like with all the shit.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Going on right now with them, don't start, don't start.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
No, No, let's get into it, folks. This is welcome
to episode one of shout Factory. He goes under an
investigative journalist podcast. Now we don't have to get into it,
but like AnyWho, I well, I guess that's a good
way to take a hard left into what we're talking
about today.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah, like, look, the whole reason I brought them up
in the beginning, Sorry for the tangent there was just
to say that, you know, there's been a lot of
companies Anchor Bay and shout Factory, even though as much
as I have a love hate relationship with them, there's
some labels that have been dedicated towards horror for a
long time. And I think VS is another one that
has kind of had horror built into their DNA, although

(10:52):
it's not all they do. And I figured it would
be fun this month to just to kind of celebrate
some of their back catalog of horror and and also
then afterwards we can talk about the August releases, because uh,
there's yeah, there's there's been a little bit of a
mix up that I learned the hard way of how
to get the address fixed with them and everything. But

(11:15):
now we're now I'm current, and so let's I think
it'd be good to catch up on the August releases
for the mazing.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
You want to explain what happened with the mix up
in case anybody else is also struggling.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
Subscriber, Yes, it's fair enough, fair enough, it's a p
s A for everybody. So if you move as a subscriber,
you have to email keV Dog. He goes by Kevin Uh,
and you have to make sure the email address is.
I just did this, so hold on, let me see

(11:48):
if I can get it. The email address is.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think it's just info Vineger Center orders orders orders.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
At Vincent dot com, and keV Dog is going to
get back to you and update the email the physical
address for your subscription manually, because if you update the
address on their website, it's just not tied into their
order system yet.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I guess which look.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
I mean, in a perfect world, they have all their
systems are sophisticated like a ten billion dollar company. But
I get it that they're not, Like it's just a
you know, there's still a small business at the end
of the day, right, so no love lost. It was
frustrating to figure that out the hard way by just
not getting my stuff for two months.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
But it's sorted. I have the August titles.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
I've watched them, and Eli, you've seen them, so we
can spend some time after the horror discussion digging into
the August titles and catching up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, that sounds great to me, and I agree.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think that, Like you know, I've we talked about
this when you first brought me on as Coast, and
we've even talked about it prior to it, Like I
think on air, I just am a big fan of
Like I love going to their back catalog because I
got back into physical media way later, so there's still
like a lot of discovery. I discovered a few things

(13:05):
this year that I think are full stop their best
releases ever, but I'm saving that for like maybe a
year end discussion or something, because they're not They're not
horror in the in the strictest sense.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
And I think this list, well, it.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Does have a couple of those, but like, uh, yeah,
I think that, And Celeste, I know you talked about
this briefly off air as well, but you know, you
talked about like covering the Lost Picture Show at some point,
and you obviously covered it on your stream, but we
were talking about, like we need an excuse to dive
back into that, so at some point we'll just do

(13:38):
like an episode dedicated to the Lost Picture Show if
that sounds good to everybody.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
That was Celeste's idea.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
I think it was a idea, right, it was.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
It was well yes.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
I mean actually yeah, it was my idea, and thank
you for saying how good it was.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
But that's a good segue though, because I'm thinking, like,
it's not just horror, Like there's kind of a multitude
of ways that you could describe into your syndrome, and
I guess I'm a little curious just from y'all's perspective,
like how do y'all describe integer syndrome to people?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And where does horror kind of fit into that.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
I like to call vinegar syndrome the Library of Congress
for schlock and exploitation. Oh shit, that's perfect.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, I hate that I didn't come up with it, truly,
that is like so spot on. Yeah, I agree with that.
I mean I think that, you know, I just think
of them. It's what I used to always say when
I first started discovering their stuff, and everybody else says
this too. Now at this point, I think when you
talk about like there, it's not just what they curate,
it's how they curate it. So they they preserve horror films,

(14:50):
sex films, exploitation, exploitation, you name it. They're preserving it, right,
But they're not only preserving it, they're giving it like
what people would often call the criterion tree, Like it
gets these incredible bonus features. You get people talking about
it the same way you'd get like an academic on
a Janus release or something.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
And I don't say that pejoratively.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I just mean like somebody who's well studied on it,
and and they just kind of give it the love
it deserves. But on top of that, and most importantly,
I think the restorations are just fucking immaculate when they
can be. When they're not, even then they give you
like a lot of context why they aren't. They'll usually
put like a a kind of like a viewer discretion

(15:31):
advice warning, but instead for the uh, you know, just
saying like, hey, we could we couldn't, you know, we
were missing a few reels, so you'll notice a jump
in quality.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
There's a content warning, not for content, but for quality.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Right right exactly, and like, which I think is good.
I think that they it's cool because it obviously keeps
like and and it also sometimes you can watch these
movies kind of in the grindhouse way you should be
watching them. Not everything needs to be like the pristine
four K. Sometimes you want to see something that looks
like it was discovered in a dank basement and like Boise,

(16:04):
Idaho and was and is like just barely it probably
has like maybe three spins on the projector left. But like,
I think that's what I when I think about them,
I know that's a longer, a much longer. I can't
be succinct about it because I just think they do
so much good work and it's a shame that, like
I know, some of it, Like I've heard that certain
things don't sell well, so like when they preserved, particularly

(16:27):
the two that I've I've heard didn't sell well, and
it's probably why they don't do it as much anymore
as black exploitation and anything from the adult side that's
basically not hetero, if it's if it's basically queer. They
took a long time to sell, which is funny because
now whenever they have their fucking warehouse sales, those they

(16:47):
go like like that, Like as soon as a Wakefield
Pool thing comes out, there's like a stack they have
like thirty they're gone. But you know, it's just uh,
they they're just real. They're great preservation.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
I'm waiting for the proper way fiel Pool set. I'm
willing that into existence. I know that, you know, when
I did my interview with Oscar, he said he wants
to do it. He just doesn't know if you can
sell it, you know, upstairs, so to speak, because of
the sales numbers in the past. But I think I
don't know. Maybe I'm giving our community too much credit,
but I think that there's a big interest in that
sort of thing. So hopefully, oh, I agree for it.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I think there is two I think probably what needs
to be rethought maybe is I just don't know that
how often you get And I feel like I may
have talked about this on air, so give I'll do
a shorter version of it.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
But I think the issue is that they I.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Don't think the viewership of that necessarily has like a
hard ceiling, but it does have something where I think
when people come in, like you bring in new people,
you're only getting like a dozen people a year who
are like, oh the mel you've seen, what's this all about?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
You know what I mean? Like, I have a feeling
that it's that's such a slow build.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
And and then there's obviously a dedicated base that's constantly
by eyeing these. But you know, I was looking at
the fireworks woman, it still has it. They I think
they said they printed three thousand slips for that. They
haven't even dropped to two thousand yet. That's fucking crazy
to me, because.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
That is sad.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
I'm going to sell out. I was like, oh, I
better get on this rest, but I could.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I thought it was gonna go quick, and I'm maybe
if it was on the VS site it would have
gone quicker. It would probably, Yeah, I think it would
make people more. Uh, it would catch a lot more
curious people. But what's really crazy about that one in
particular isn't just that it's West. It's obviously Wes Craven,
but people have been asking for that for literally, I

(18:38):
think since before COVID. Yeah, like it's been a long time.
It's it's up there. That and Last House on Dead
End Street, the Roger Watkins movie. Those have been the two.
You just constantly hear that, like when are they going
to put out? Ah, you know, come on, let's get it,
let's get it. And it's so it's a bit of
a bummer, but I think, I mean, that's why Altered

(19:00):
Innocence I think is their own thing too. They do
a good job of trying to help with that too
on their own. I know they're not a partner label anymore.
But yeah, hopefully hopefully what they're doing with like District
picks and these alternate slips on mel you see, like
Last Tango, hopefully that that helps.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Bring more eyes to it.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Though it's a fucking crazy that Last Tango's slip on
there is still not out of print given how fast
the other one went, and it's the better slip of
the two.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's just hard to get new behavior.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
But hopefully with Ashley West and Liz Pratchell and everybody
coming on and then just I don't know, like you
you know, hopefully they find that new audience because they're
definitely out there right there.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I mean even yeah, even two years.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Ago, Lewis Justin was talking about how there's still a
huge part of this community that orders by mail, which
is fascinating to me, Like they'll send a check in
for porn and then like porn in the mail.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
That's wild. But ye, why that doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I mean, I you know what's funny is that, like
I've asked, you know, because I host the show.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
That's why they couldn't do shopify on that side. There's
a check option.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Be so funny if someone went to like the bank,
was like, I need to make a money order to
Melu Scene please LLC.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well, you know I hosted.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I host a stand up show at a sex shop
and I've asked because they have a DVD.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I've been hosting the show for so long that I've
seen the adult fill the DVD section go from like
three huge shelves to literally one section on one shelf.
It doesn't even take a full shelf anymore. But they
do say that people still come in and buy them.
It's just it's people who obviously don't can't order stuff
online for whatever reason. If they have like shared an

(20:41):
Amazon account, not shared Amazon accounts, but you know, shared
cards and stuff, they still have to like come in
and buy them cash and stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
So interesting, Yeah, I And it's also just older people.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Some of them just don't want to order online and
you know.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But anyway, Yeah, I think that, like I said, just
to bring it back to to what Chris was saying,
I just think that there's so many things that they
preserve that a lot of them are also out of
print to be fair, you know, m hm. So it's
like hard for some people to go back and some
of those titles that we'll talk about that will kind

(21:16):
of call out if it's out of print, at least
on my end, I could tell you if it's like
I did look up to see if it was like
streaming right.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
H Yes, some of the stuff we talk about maybe
out of print, that's true, even the standards.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
But I think every only one thing on my stack
is completely out of print. But everything else is available
in standard editions.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
But if it gets enough people clamoring for it, maybe
they can find one hundred copies in the warehouse or something.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, the old deal trick.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
But yeah, so I figured for this four episode we
I purposely like didn't want to set a lot of
structure for how we talk about this because.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I just think the vinegar syndrome there's so many there's so.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
Many ways that you can come into them and and
like find them and discover them. I don't want to
necessarily have a strict you know, like ten slasher movies
or anything like that. I thought it would be fun
just to kind of discuss our relationship to to their
horror and.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Movies that we love from that.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
I don't know, Eli, if since this is your show,
do you want to do you want to start us off?

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Sure with some Yeah, so let me pull up.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Well yeah, it's not gonna be in any particular order,
but I think or anything, right, So yeah, yeah, I have.
I just kind of went with like, I'll kind of
go to the newer releases a little later. But one
of the ones for me, I think that's like a
must is blood Beat, which is I think, like I

(22:52):
don't know, when you talk about VA when we're what
we're talking about, this is a great example of it.
They put it out years ago, it's still in print,
but like, look regional horror is just to kind of
expand on what we've been talking about. Is like on
top of exploitation and horror and bla exploitation all that stuff,
it's also narrowed down to like all of the regional stuff.

(23:14):
They do so much regional stuff, and that's great. And
like this blood beats like a weird riff on, like
I don't know, it's like equal parts like the shining
and the fury that just gets like way weirder. And
I don't when I say the term weird, because I
think that's such an easy term to use for stuff
that comes to like that's unclassifiable.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
But this basic flying weird for anything on this website.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Right, right, So this is like not just weird with
the capital W, but with the capital E, capital I,
capital R, capital D.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
It is so strange in a.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Way that like I don't know, just every it somehow
involves like a samurai at one point, and you know,
and even like a term like Lynchian, which is a
term that I this point kind of want to I
would rather put my hand in a garbage disposal before
here someone else describes something as lynchy. And again I'm
gonna be a hypocrite and say this actually fits that
criteria pretty fucking well.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Ye yeah, fire it right up.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
But I uh yeah, And what I really like about
this restoration is so it's a four K scan, but
the last shot, for some reason, they had to do
a they had to source it from a VHS master.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
So it adds to.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
That weird quality that the movie already has, that like
kind of otherworldly fugue state that the movie is kind
of bringing you through, and then it just has this,
you know, and it looks so good up until then,
and then that's kind of like the perfect note to
end it on.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
So that's uh.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean, if if you want to just say what
it's about real quick, I'd say, it's just like it's
about a couple who's like in rural, like they're in Wisconsin,
like in a real like real countryside Wisconsin in the
early eighties. But there's like like a weird apparition or
something in a samurai outfit starts killing people off. That's

(25:08):
all I'll say, because it's not like anything else will
add context to it. Like, it's just that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Isn't it Christmas themed as well?

Speaker 5 (25:19):
It is, Yes, it's holiday where Yeah, that was a
too B watch for me, And I'll be honest and
say I didn't connect with it, But it might be
the sort of thing that I would like better now
I watched it a while ago, or maybe the cleaned
up restoration would do something for it. I don't know,
but it is fairly singular, which is a word I
come back to a lot for a lot of outsider art.

(25:41):
So you know when you talk about like you said
something earlier that made me think of this, it was
something like I don't even understand, like how or why
this exists or something like that. I feel like for
some of these things, it's got to be somebody's like
extremely specific fetish and they're like, that doesn't exist yet,
So I'm making it exist, Like Samurai Christmas Us. Somebody's

(26:01):
into it and they're like, well, I guess I gotta
make it.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I think I think part of that is, like it's
it's because even in the eighties, I mean, look, since
probably I would say the birth of New Hollywood, most
filmmaking has been built on pestiche right, so you have
people who are doing it at a.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Level that they have a Hollywood budget to do it.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
And then the thing with a lot of regional and
like self funded work is that or or just like
you know something where they raise money like locally, is
these people also have these influences, but they can't express
them that way, so it just ends up going through
this weird blender that like maybe that Samurai was an
it was a Kurosawa influence, you know what I mean, Like,

(26:43):
I it's totally possible. I could say this to someone
who's paight on stuff when I was when I was
like in college that was like regionally made but had
a decent enough budget from who knows, some tax shelter thing.
But like I would hear people talking about movies that
I'm like, where does that fit to this? And granted

(27:03):
I was nineteen twenty years old at the time, but
those conversations are seared in my brain. And then I
think back and I'm like, well, yeah, of course that's
what they want to make, and then whatever they have available,
that's what they're gonna do. So that's That's always been
my guest with that stuff. But I don't think too
hard about it. When I'm watching it. I'm just like,
how the fuck did they dream up a Samurai think,
but hearing you talk about it that way, that's the
only thing I could think of is that they're still

(27:24):
trying to do some pastiche. They saw something.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
We don't know what it is. Sometimes it's more obvious
than others.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
I mean, I could literally just be like this was
in my dream and I can't I can't stop thinking
about it. I'm gonna exercise it in this way.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
I don't know right right, But the cool thing, you know,
usually the behind the scenes of these movies is pretty
interesting because they do they do find somebody who can
talk about like why you know Samurai or something?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Right, Like I.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
Remember there's a there's a movie early VS movie called
Nightmare Sisters.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Oh yeah, and it's it's.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
A horror movie. I mean, ish, it's a horror comedy. Guys.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
You should say it's a David Dakoto horror movie so.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
That people know exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
But that whole movie is I mean, the idea is
that Leanna Quigley gets to be naked and then transformed
from like a quote unquote like ugly girl into the
beautiful sexy killer right and then going to killing spree.
But that whole movie came about because what movie was it?
I think it was Slamball Arama.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's the movie.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
Right, Sorority Babes in the Slam Bowl Arama. They had
forty thousand dollars extra budget from that movie, and then
they just went and made Nightmare Sisters. So like some
of these ones are they come about in a very
last minute, like, oh, shoot, what should we do. Let's
quickly spend a night putting together a script and go
shoot this thing?

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Right, yeah, no, totally. Well.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
The other thing I forgot to say about about Bloodbeat
is it is a a French director, so it's like
it apparently was partially funded by like Euroe, so there's
some kind of there's some kind of like France element
in it, which adds to that weird fucking like what
the fuck is this because you're, like, you know, you're
bringing someone into something regional that's from somewhere else, and

(29:13):
a lot of times that doesn't work, you know, I
mean even great filmmakers, well people who people like love
like Large von Trier. He's afraid of flying, so he
won't come to the US, you know what I mean, Like,
and he makes movies that are like critical of the
US and take place in the US, And obviously my
liege is gonna vary with whether you.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Like that or not.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
But you know, put that on like a hyper regional level,
that's real fucking weird, you know what I mean, where
it's like it's like did this person even speak English?

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Well, like did they?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Maybe that's part of the stiltedness, is that they just
don't know how to write convincing dialogue because they're not.
It's not there like native tongue. So I think that's
another part of it. But yeah, I think it's a
an you were saying it was on to be just
for now in case anybody you know, I know, with

(30:00):
some of these titles, if you want to try before
you buy, uh, it is available. It's streaming on the
Roku channel uh Truman Now, which I actually think has
really stepped up as a streaming service, and it's also
streaming on night Flight, which is UH acquired quite a
bit of vs in house titles, and and then a

(30:23):
great streaming service that I haven't tried yet, but their
catalog's right called Eternal Family. So if if someone wants
to watch it before that, before you know, sinking any
money into it. That's that's one I would recommend.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
To, like we should probably because there's like aero Player Truman.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Now yep, oh, I was just gonna say Aeroplayer has
a great They also get some VS titles, they license
some stuff out monthly. So yeah, no, I think there's
like maybe at some point we could do like an
episode talking about like streaming these things in those channels
and kind of uh, you know what they have, because yeah,

(31:00):
that's how I sometimes will watch some of this stuff,
even when I own shit, because I just don't feel
like firing up the Blu ray player. I'll kind of
just like be laying on the couch or laying in
bed just watching something and then I'll just put it
on there. That's how I ended up watching a few
separate titles and I'm like, oh, I own these, I
could have thrown them on, but you know, it doesn't.
It doesn't always happen that way, but yeah, blood Beat

(31:21):
highly recommend it. What do I have next year? Okay,
so I I think another way, I'm gonna pick two
out of print titles and then I and then the
way I kind of structured this out is I kind
of just had three wild Cards, so to speak of.
And then I picked an adult title in an SOV title,

(31:42):
so just so people know, so because.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
I kind of wanted to broaden.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
The SOOV titles is a cheat because it's not gonna
be vinegar syndrome, so I'll kind of just throw that
in as a bonus. But the next one that I
picked is the nineteen eighty two film Incubus. This one's
completely out of print, but it is streaming. You can
actually pay, I believe you can pay to rent it,
like on Apple TV and YouTube and stuff for like

(32:09):
three bucks. But it's also on the Rocude channel and
a channel called Fossom, which looks like it's free.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
These are free with ads.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
But this is an interesting one to me because I
went in pretty blind and it's it's like a New
England horror movie that stars John Cassavetti's and he actually
ghost wrote the script, which is super fascinating. But this
is one of those titles where he he did this

(32:39):
because he, you know, needed to pay the bills while
he was self funding his other stuff. And it was
directed by John Huff who directed Twins of Evil, Legend
of hell House. I think he did a Howling sequel
and an Escape to Which Mountain, which is quite a filmography,
but it's a out a a guy who's having dreams

(33:03):
of like women being raped and murdered, and John Cassavettes
plays a doctor that well, I guess I'm jumping ahead,
but there's a there's a there's like a teenager who's
having dreams of women being raped and murdered around town
and it turns out the murders are coming true. And

(33:24):
John Cassavettes plays a doctor who does like the autopsies
on these women who are assaulted and says things like
they had like buckets of semen in them. This is
like I'm paraphrasing, but he literally like talks like that.
So it's kind of incredible to hear. John Cassavetti's just
be like, Yeah, she had an ungodly amount of comm
inside of her.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
But he they are basically trying to figure out the killer,
and there's it's potentially a it's potentially like some kind
of evil spirit. I don't I don't want to give
it away, but it's some kind of either like an
evil spirit or a demon or some kind of like
spawn of Satan or something, and I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
I just really like.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
This is another one where it's far from a perfect movie.
You know, when I talk about it, almost it almost
sounds like a supernatural episode of like SVU or something,
but it's kind of like it's another movie that feels
distinctly regional, but also feels like in its regional elements,
it's like plugging into like an Amicus movie or something.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
It's it's also a very unpleasant movie.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Obviously, just given the description that I have, since it's
not an SVU episode, they can show quite a bit.
But he just yeah, if you want to hear John
Cassavetti's talk about sperm quantities, it's just very intriguing and
it has a surprisingly downbeat ending that just kind of
I didn't realize it just ends kind of it's surprising

(34:50):
in a way that kind of it's like weird that
they decide to pump the brakes there, but in some
ways it's very welcome. So yeah, I would recommend checking
this out if you want something that it's not like Bloodbeat,
where it's like surreal in the same way where you're like, what,
you don't know what's going to happen next. It's kind
of just more like it just has this very distinct
flavor to it of this type of exploitation. I know

(35:15):
it doesn't work for everybody, but from what I've read
on letterbox reviews, my mutuals, it's a kind of kind
of divisive, but I really liked it.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
The John Casavetti's talking about Buckets Have Come was cut
from Women under the Influence, I think, right.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
That's right, yeah, yeah, that was the big.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Right, she was under the influence of Buckets of Come,
That's what they were talking about. It's yeah, it's you know,
I mean, like you know, with some of vs's titles,
a lot of them are like sleazy, repellent movies. But this,
strangely isn't sleazy in the way that you kind of
think of exploitation movies being sleezy, where it's like sadistic
or like you almost feel the director just breathing heavy

(35:57):
right off camera. It doesn't really have that. It's almost
like it's a group of people who got together, similar
to Who Killed Teddy Bear in this way that which
that is a sleazy movie, but it's similar in that
you have a lot of like Hollywood players kind of
that have to play in this sandbox that's normally reserved
for people who aren't normally don't get to work in

(36:19):
that level, you know what I mean. It's like, And
I always think those are fascinating movies. I think it
always breeds no pun intended, a very distinct flavor.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And people ask me what kind of movies I like,
I'm going to start responding by saying, sleazy and repellent movies.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I mean, that's a badge of honor when you talk
about a lot of the vinegar syndrome stuff, I think,
but yeah, I don't know. This one just is a
very distinct version of that. So that's my other pick.
And then I was trying to figure out before I
get to like the more the stuff that's not related
to the adult and soov side the other one I'm picking.

(36:59):
It's it's weird to pick this one because it's not
like it's it's it's like a three star movie essentially,
But I just think it's worth talking about because it's
such as it's again, it's a strange movie. Is the Children,
which again, that one's out of print completely I think
on the site, but not a hard one to find.

(37:19):
It's streaming on Prime. It's streaming on Trauma now because
it's a trauma movie. This was a Ciskel and Ebert
Dog of the Week. I think it was Ciskel's Dog
of the Week they which for people who don't know,
Dog of the Week is kind of their equivalent of
like zero star half star movies, movies they fucking hated,
so they like dedicated a segments movie that really upset them.

(37:40):
And he got really upset because it includes kids getting
hacked up very explicitly. But the movie it's a trauma film.
It's not one that they made in house. It was
an acquisition. It's about a group of children on a
bus coming home from school or on their way to
school maybe, but there is a leak at a nearby
nuclear plant, which is funny that I think that's why

(38:02):
Trauma picked us up, just because it's like it's a
precursor to classic Nucum High in some way, you know,
like a bunch of eight year olds who get like
radiation poisoning. But instead of like classic of Nucum High
where it makes them all go nuts, this one instead,
the children's kind of the bus disappears for a second,
like no one knows where the kids are like like,
I'm sorry, the bus is there, but no one can

(38:24):
find the kids. And then suddenly they just start kind
of appearing as like zombies with like these weird sam
atopic powers. It's like tied to their fingernails. Their fingernails
are black, and so whenever they touch somebody or hug
a parent, they those parents melt. They like their skin
starts melting. It turns out like the Incredible Melting Man.
And again, what I kind of just like about this

(38:47):
It moves a little slow, as a lot of these
do really when they don't when they don't cook for
the full like ninety minutes. But I think the objections
to why Cisco called it a Dog of the week
to me, or why it's so fucking fun, it's like
just not afraid to go.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
There at a certain point, like.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Like and this isn't a full spoiler, but like when
they just just I feel like it sells it better
when they figure out that it's tied to their fingernails.
The sheriff gets a hold of a sword and just
starts lopping off their hands if he can the kid's hands.
He's like, so if you want to see like eight
and ten year olds with like reaching out their hands
suddenly get their hands chopped off.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
It's like so fucking funny.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
It's like patient to a fault, but I don't know,
it's atmospheric, and it's like really tasteless in the right
at the right register. And like, just as an example,
one of the hardest times I've laughed in any Vinegar
Syndrome release or any movie that I watched in the
last year for that matter, is a pregnant woman is
exhausted and she lights up a cigarette and looks down

(39:49):
at her big belly after taking a drag of the
cigarette and apologizes to her unborn child. So, yeah, super
fun movie. They did a great job restoring it, and
it just has this really it has like just this
great rural atmosphere and really like dread inducing thing while
also just being really, like I said, kind of schlocky

(40:12):
and tasteless at the just the right pitch.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
The children.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so yeah, that's a great Troma acquisition
up there with Pigs for Me that I watched in
like the last year and a half. But so that's
that's from the VS side. What I what I just
want to bring up from the adult side, which is
kind of a no brainer. Here is and I think
you'd both agree with this. I think you both have

(40:38):
seen this through the looking glass. M just a real masterpiece,
not just a great it's the closest, one of the
closest things VS has to like.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
A horror porno.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's like truly a horrific sex film, but it's a
really thoughtful one about like the cycles of abuse. But
it just has some really wild shots. I mean, it's
like a literal gynecological exam with one of the cameras.
There's like, you know, there's a scene that takes place
in Hell that has like people pissing on themselves corn
cob insertions, just like the wildest stuff. But in between that,

(41:13):
it's like a really thoughtful movie on the cycles of
abuse and kind of also just kind of the expectations
for women of how they present themselves, particularly in the seventies.
The guy who made it, I believe is Jonas Middleton
is his name. He I think later on said that

(41:34):
he should have made it because there is an R
rated cut, but he should have just released it as
an R rated film because it was one of those
things that fell kind of a little too. You know,
the hardcore side obviously turned off people who don't go
to see porno films, and people who see porno films
got turned off by the but yeah, right right, how
it uses that sex kind of against the viewer in

(41:56):
the way that like Robert of Finley does in A
Woman's Torment or any of those other like kind of
darker sex films that VS puts out.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
But yeah, so now.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
The only anti porn porn movie that I've seen, at
least that I can think.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Of, Yeah, that's a that's a good way of putting it,
because a lot of them are. It's funny, like when
we're talking about a women's Torment, it is still it does,
I guess, to an extent, give you what you paid for,
but it's that comes close to it. And there's a
few others that are very downbeat, but they'll still make
it a point to really hit the fetishes or whatever
it is they're trying to do with a particular sex scene.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
And the four K is immaculate and.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
What's his name from Friday the thirteenth scored it. Mancini
did this. He was half of the he co did
the score, which when you're watching the movie, you know
exactly who did the score, Like it's not hard to
know which parts are his and which parts aren't. And
then lastly, just as a VS. Partner title, there's a

(43:01):
double feature. It's hard because I wanted to call out
that ag for release of The Satanic Corror Night, which
is I'll just give like an honorable mention to but
for me, Red Spirit Lake and We Awake the Charles
Pinion double feature. Absolutely, it's not out of print. I
think the slip cover might be, but the standard is

(43:23):
in print. It's actually available on the mel You've seen
side too. Because it features a few hardcore shots, I
guess you could say, but they're really really intense, wild
SOOV movies that they're both not even I think combined
total like an hour and fifty minutes. But Red Spirit

(43:44):
Lake just has some really incredible imagery, and the shot
on video quality just adds that like dreamy kind of
that haze of like that you just can't get shooting
on thirty five or sixteen. It just has this like
this this particular look that really adds to the horror
of it. I mean, it also is just super over
the top in a very comical way. Like there's a

(44:05):
scene where somebody gets sort of sucked off to death
while they and then they get they they turn up
the the sauna so high that it burns them into
like a husk. It just has some really great imagery
in the movies literally like an hour and six minutes
or something like that, and it really it's also a
great entry point for people who are like shot on

(44:27):
video curious, like if you're if you want to see
if SOOV is for you? Yeah, at least on a
more experimental level, I think, because I think a lot
of the if there's an SOV movie that's like from
de Goosser or even VHS hit Fest, A lot of
those movies, to me, are trying to replicate Hollywood movies
a lot.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Of the times, not all of them. I mean, they
obviously put out Nick Millard on de Gosser, but.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Like I'd say, good chunk of them, especially like the
the If, they have like a narrative to them. It's
not the same. It just doesn't have that same feeling.
I think a lot of stuff that Saturn's Core put out,
like especially with the Charles Pinion movies, they definitely have
more of a they come from a different place as
far as like where the filmmaker's coming from, and so

(45:12):
it doesn't you can kind of take any preconceived notions
of like a typical narrative feature. You can kind of
chuck him at the door if you want. For the
most part, not for all of them, but I would
say the Saturn's core hit ratio more often is in
the experimental side, whereas VHS hit Fester de Gosser that's
only once in a blue moon. They're like, they're very
complimentary of each other for that.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Yeah, it's a great double feature, and I recommend it
as a release. Is it totally out of print or
just the slip?

Speaker 3 (45:38):
No?

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Just the slip?

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Okay, cool?

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah. So you're like curious about SOOV and you're a
real sick freak. Yeah, I'd say that's a good place
to start. It's maybe it's among them. They're both among
the more extreme films I've ever seen, so like, you know,
maybe I don't know, I'm trying to think of ampre
tame SOOV movie that's also really good. Maybe night Chills.
I really like Night Chills. That's that's a pretty chill one.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, that it's right there
in the name too. I do think, yeah, you're right.
I mean there's there's definitely stuff that's a bit more
like that's less intense that's on the label. But and
I think Night Chills is up there, and and obviously
Bleeding Skull I think also has a few of those,
like Way Bad Stone, and obviously Blonde Death is like
a legitimate masterpiece.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
But those are like such That's.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
What I wanted to say too, But that's also a weird,
like fucked up movie that like you know, maybe temper
that depending on who you're recommending it to, right film
ever made?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Oh, I I agree.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I mean I think it's up there. If it's not
my favorite, it's like I'd be hard pressed to think
of what would take its place, but it's it's absolutely
up there for me.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, I mean soov.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I guess for different people it has different like there's
different entry points. But I think for for like, if
you want to see the like a word you bought
up earlier, like as outsider art and and stuff that's
like more singular, I think Saturn's Core meets that a lot.
And I think I think for something that's like more
in the horror vein and they definitely have other horror
in Saturn's score, that's for sure. I'm just looking from here,

(47:08):
I could see. I mean, technically speaking, if you want
to count a lot of Wave titles, that's some of
them meet the But I think Wave is a good
example of stuff that's more like that's for a very
specific viewer, and it's a lot more patient, and it's
it's not for everybody, especially the ones that like come
close to the two hour mark. That's I wouldn't say
it's just not for everybody, it's barely for anybody.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Sometimes well you know everybody. There's an affinity for a
culture Shock when they were going Strong as a partner label.
But even what Warren's doing now at Art Label, even
though they don't have as many titles, that's if we're
talking about outsider art for a minute. I mean, that's
his bag and there's some wacky stuff on Art Label,

(47:51):
which is really cool.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I like his label a lot.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
They put out stuff that I don't even understand, like
as a premise, I haven't watched it of it. I'm like,
but like this is like, I think it's really cool
that something exists where I'm like man, even I am
struggling to like understand or be like have fine appeal
in what is being sold here, But like, yeah, I
need to. I think I need to give those a chance.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Sometimes sometimes yeah, I have them and I just haven't
gotten around to them.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
A lot of them fall into that you kind of
have to be in the mood category.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
But a lot of it feels so hyper specific to
like New York.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
I'm like, well, it feels like you have to know
these people to get it or something.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I don't know it might be.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
That's a good point. Yeah, some of it is.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Some of it well, oh go ahead, Chris, I'll piggyback
on that in a second.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
Oh I mean, okay, sure, I was just gonna say
a lot he walks the line, and I think a
lot of what Dan Kinham finds over at VHS hip
Fist walks this line as well.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Of like it could.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Be at a modern art museum, like like like Cornstukar
could be at a modern art.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
That's that's the vibe for sure. Yeah, art label is
like museum for like real weirdos.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, And what I was just gonna say to piggyback
on both those things. Actually is like some of it too,
because a lot of it's some of it's newer, like
much newer, like in the last ten years, newer that like,
I think some of it is either really of its
moment or kind of ahead of its time, or like
when you look back, like it might be one of
those things where literally, like ten years from now, you're like,

(49:26):
there's no way this would have caught on in its
moment because that's not how people were consuming art at
the time. And maybe now this is how maybe this
will connect more because from what I've heard about them
and people who like them or don't like them, they
kind of say that to me, they're kind of like, oh, yeah,
it really captures this certain feeling of right now of
this And I'm like, yeah, I think Raby, right now,

(49:46):
that's not what I want to watch. And I have
a feeling in a couple of years if I were
to watch it, or even like a little further down
the line from when it was released, I have a
feeling I'd connect with it more.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
You know, y'all just gave me this idea of if
you want like an intro to that world, what Jane
Shawan Brown is doing I think super interesting. Like if
you identify with her stuff or with their stuff, then
I think it's a pretty good indication that you might
be open to like a lot of art labels.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Okay, well that's a really good sell because they're like
maybe my favorite contemporary filmmaker.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
So no top top five for me right now. Yeah,
it's cool.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you both. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's that's it for my titles. I think.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I will do an honorable mention without talking about it
because it's not for everybody, but Orgy of the Dead
it's just, you know, that's one of those movies that
and this sounds like an anti endorsement in some ways,
but like it has so many passages of just like
it's actually the perfect movie to have on at a party,

(50:51):
I think, because it just has these segments that you
can't like, you don't know when the movie's gonna end.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
It really holds you hostage.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So that's all I want to say. In the best
way possible. It just because it's just people dancing. It's
just like a newdy qt for for literally ninety minutes.
But the restoration VS. Did is beautiful. It's not out
of print, you can still get it.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
It's just it's just a great spooky season vibe type movie.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
And you know, I I personally prefer later period Edwood
as far as like now. I think it has a
lot more interesting stuff because he was allowed to be
more exploitation oriented, even though I don't know if that's
where he wanted to be. But I actually just bought
Will Sloan's book on Edward that I really want to read.
But yeah, I he didn't direct it, by the way,

(51:37):
he just he just wrote it. But it has all
the Edward touches, including Chris Well narrating it. So that's
my that's my honorable mention.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Well, Celeste, you want to go next? Do you have?
Do you have things ready?

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Yeah? I have a stack and I think I'm going
to go through. I have a stack of eight titles
and I think I'm just going to go through them
kind of quickly, and I've kind of group them by
theme to kind of go with depending on what you're into.
My first two, I picked a porn and of like
more sexually subversive one on the VS site. The porn

(52:12):
that I picked is probably not strategically sound because you
can't get it anymore, but it is the one that
I like to recommend as a starter film, and like,
it's one that I champion is like a really great
intersection between porn and horror, and that's Malabimba. I love
this movie. I think it's really beautiful. I think it's
really sexy, and I think it's really well made. Oh yeah,

(52:34):
for sure, I think it's really sick. It's my favorite
Exorcist ripoff for sure. I just did a podcast talking
about The Antichrist, and I love that movie too, but
I was like, Malabimba is the one for me. If
we're talking about Exorcism.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I feel like I missed the butt. So I actually
watched it for the first time this summer and it's
it's sleazy, and for some reason, it never truly went
off the rails for me. I hate to say it,
I myself a little a little bored by it. It
has great atmosphere, and I remember the psychosexual elements were there,
but for me, I just was like, and I say this,

(53:10):
I mean you both know this.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
As someone who really like anything.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
If it's hardcore related that that can cross over those elements.
I just kept thinking, I'm like, why wasn't this just
a jallo or I know that that they're that the
hardcore parts were inserts essentially, but I.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Just I wish I could connect it with Yeah, they're
very much.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, they were inserts to say, but yeah, I am.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I wish I connected with this one a little bit more,
but it's definitely Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
I think this stuff especially is pretty subjective and like, look,
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real with you. If
you've got a fucking spooky gothic castle like on location ship,
if you've got a horny nun like, look I'm into it.
I don't know what to say, Like that's my thing,
you know, now?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Fair enough? Yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I mean, I never saw Satan's Baby Doll. I thought
I did, and I know it's the same director. I
think it's out of print now, but there's a DVD
of that that Severed put out. I'm surprised it hasn't
been upgraded. But uh uh, yeah, it's a shame that
this one's out of circulation because I do think you're right.
I mean, look, if like I'm I'm a mark for

(54:18):
the same stuff. That's why I love genre lo on films.
You just get you get castles, smoke machines, spooky stuff.
And it has a great I will say that as
far as an extracist rip off, the twist goes at
the end.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
It's a good twist. But yeah, I I I'm glad you.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm so glad you had it on your list because
I think when it comes to out of print stuff,
I think for a lot of people they don't know
if it's worth paying. I mean, if you if you
even have the funds, but if it's something specific that
like like champagne and bullets, where it's like, of course
it's expensive, everybody wants to fucking own it.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
But like you know, sometimes with a lot of.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
Give it a shot and maybe I'll put it on
my flex server and then you you can access it
through my Patreon. Okay, hell yeah, next yeah, Next is
uh Singapore Sling. I love this movie. If you're into
the really artsy stuff but you're also a sick freak,
this is gonna be the one for you. This movie
is disgusting and fucked up and uncomfortable and exactly for me,

(55:18):
exactly at the intersection of what I like. Like I
always say that art house and grindhouse are two sides
of the same coin, and like, what what's the metaphor year?
Then this is like a dollar bill or something. I
don't know, Like it's it's all in one, you know
what I mean? Uh, Like it's very artsy, it's very
weird and experimental, but it's also like twisted stuff like

(55:40):
it's you know, it's it should appeal to anybody to
like the like the sex sexual like gorehounds or whatever,
like the people that want to see something they've never
seen before in a horror movie, like, definitely check that out.
It's one that I think about a lot and kind
of want to rewatch. But yeah, it's crazy. No, I

(56:01):
realize I'm being becoming known for this, and I guess
it is what it is. But it is also fairly
incestuous and it's just a lot of vomit and r shit.
It's out there.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
We don't talk I've thought about this recently because between
Nico Mastakis and this guy whose name is Nicos Nicoldes,
I think Nicolades, I think thing director. We don't talk
a lot about Greek exploitation cinema. But man, something's in
the water there. I don't know if it's just that
they've like had thousands of years to think about depraved

(56:37):
shit or something, but like, man, the exploitation coming from
Greece might be some of the most depraved.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Like, yeah, to get more into it, I guess for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Well, I know you're right it is. There's something because
like VS did a romel you seen for Quality X,
they did a Greek double feature and I don't know
if it's sold well or not, but I still haven't
gotten around to it. Actually, I also haven't gotten around
a Singapore sling. I've had it, and this is not
the first, like I've had two people tell me it's

(57:09):
the most eli coated movie.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
What that means in terms of, well, mostly in terms
of what I would respond to. I guess what I
would like for something that's like transgressive or kind of
just you know, a movie that's like off the rails
but also as much about sex as it is a
you know, in horror. So uh, this is just a
great reminder to fucking get back on it.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
So yeah, watch it.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Great.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Well, another little fun fact a friend of mine is
the one who called this out and found it. But
I don't know what the brand is, but there's a
ballgag that's out there that on the packaging. This is
one hundred percent where they took that image from. It's
like traced over the ballgag and then they replaced it
with an eyeball like it's it's definitely what happened. And

(57:51):
I'm like, that's pretty funny, but it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Okay, yeah, you go in.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
These are great so far.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Next I want to direct a men one of their
queer films. There's not a lot on the mainline. A
lot of that stuff is found in the partner labels.
Cinematograph is also doing a good job at highlighting some
of that stuff. But uh, I got a lot of
good feedback when I reviewed this on my channel because
a lot of people were like, you know, no offense.
I didn't realize this was a real movie, and I

(58:19):
like really went to bat for it. But Killer Condom
is one of the best movies that they've ever put out,
one blank period. It's so fucking good and the release
is astounding, Like all the features on it are excellent.
It is stacked to the nines, but uh yeah, it's
like a really like moving sort of drama that's also

(58:41):
like a kind of hard boiled noir, like neo noir,
like parody almost, and like the premise is absurd, but
it also delivers on like the body horror and like
the fuck what's his name the guy who did the
alien stuff? Oh hr Geiger, yep, Gieger or Geiger. I
don't know how to spron out. But he did the
condom design on this and it's awesome. It's so good.

(59:05):
And I will say this every time it comes up
until they do it. A killer condom, plushy please and
thank you. You don't have any You have no idea
how fast I would order that.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Yeah, but it's a it's a fun movie.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
It's like, you're fine. It's a really good sort of
social drama film and like, but it's also you know,
fun like sort of schlocky exploitation. And I don't know.
It's a German movie set in New York. It's a
little bit sill, it's a little bit culturally strange. But

(59:41):
uh next, for the people who just want your meat
and potatoes classic vs. Regional sort of horror stuff, this
is not a film I pulled because I think it's
particularly great, but because I think it's maybe overlooked and misunderstood,
and that's shriek of the mutilated.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Great choice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I can take it off my list that you covered.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Okay, tight, it's Michael Finley, who is a real fucking
sick freak, like deranged, disturbed person and it shows. But
I think that this is kind of and I can't
explain how without spoiling it, so I won't. But it
is almost like a kind of postmodern like meta textual
horror film that I think does a really cool trick

(01:00:24):
on its audience, and I don't know it. It's got
good vibes, it's got silly bigfoot shit in it. It's
kind of, I think, the sort of thing that I
think Vininger Syndrome has really built a brand on. This
is sort of again, like I said, they're bread and butter,
and it's a film that has stayed with me. It

(01:00:45):
was one of the first films that I reviewed when
I started reviewing their titles. And you know, it's supposed
to be like one of the worst movies ever made,
and like, I don't think that that's true. I think
that it's interesting and watchable and yeah, I don't know.
I literally just took us like, took a glance at
my shelf and pulled some titles that I like or
think are interestings, and this was one that came to mind.

(01:01:07):
So that's that's an endorsement in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Right, Oh yeah, I think that that worst movie of
all time. Shit, when people get what they like do
that stuff, it's like, I don't know, I don't even
know what that means anymore, because there's so much slap
that comes out now that even if it's if it's
a better movie I don't like in terms of at
least competently made. I'll watch this over a million times over.

(01:01:33):
I was lucky enough to get to actually see this
on thirty five this year. It was at a part
of a Grindhouse festival, and my god, I hadn't seen
it in a very very long time. And yeah, it's
exactly what you're talking about. It's just this strange like
oddity because there's like a Scooby Doo style van. There's
like this this yetti costume, like you know, the meddling kids,

(01:01:57):
and then like this weird and it takes this strange
detail or it's like there's like a drunk guy and
his girlfriend who fucking murder each other somehow, and I
don't think that pays off in any way. And it's
probably the best scene in the movie. It just really
is truly a great piece of weird art. Like it
just and you know, with Michael Finley, obviously it's like
you said, that guy's got a lot of fucking demons

(01:02:19):
and he has no problem opening up his skull and
being like, this is what's inside my brain and it's
not pretty to look at, but like that's mostly with his.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Roughing for interesting movies, you know, right, this is like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I'm not even sure what. You can't really answer what
he's trying to cook up here other than like he
obviously needed to make some kind of horror movie or
some kind of like dare I say, proto slasher and
then it it it just you have no idea, yeah,
big time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
And like this is another one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
No, sorry, go ahead, oh I was just gonna say,
and it predates most slashers.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Yeah, uh huh. I think this is another one where
maybe the catalysts or the impetus to create something like this,
and this is something that a to me with Blood
Beat Too, is like when these movies are so low budget,
I think you work with what you have, and if
some if somebody had a big, bigfoot suit, if somebody
had a Samurai suit, it's like, cool, I can work
with that. Let's write a script. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, you're right, that's another part of it. I didn't
even I completely forgot about that, and like I I
And also it's also worth noting with these movies because
they are shot on film, like this was photographed by ROBERTA.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Finley.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I don't even think they were together anymore. I think
they divorced a few years or split a few years
before this.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
They like too, I think I think he was just like,
I don't know what to tell you. You're the best
cinematographer I know. And she's like, that's all I want
to do, so yeah, we'll do it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, And she's fucking great at it, like it's crazy,
just just like how beautiful her cinematography is. And this
was shot on sixteen I believe, and it looks great
and it's and vinegar Syndrome did a great job restoring it.
But yeah, it's a it's a terrific. What a terrific choice.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Next, I wanted to pull a couple of international titles
foreign language films because when I look at the Vinegar
Syndrome groups, there's way too many people that complain when
there's non English titles, and like, I don't have anything
nice to say about that, to be honest, Like I
try to meet people. I try to meet people where
they're at. But like, if you're into this shit enough
to be ordering off of vinegar syndrome to be in

(01:04:13):
a Vinegars INTERRYMT fan group, I'm sorry, grow up. You
can read subtitles. You can you can engage with a
different culture for like literally an hour, like you're gonna
be okay. And a lot of that stuff is Italian,
but I wanted to go for more like the non
white countries that I feel like get even more aligned
because people love the Italian stuff, even if they're being
a baby about subtitles, probably because there's dub tracks a

(01:04:36):
lot of times on that too. But for like, this
is where I think the most interesting work happens is
their work releasing international titles, specifically non English and non
white stuff. And this is another one that was in
my first run through of subscriptions. That has just really
stayed with me, and it's one of my favorite Hong
Kong titles I've ever seen and that they've ever put out,

(01:04:58):
I think, and that's Burning Paradi Ringo Lamb is such
a fucking banger. Like it's horrific and it's beautiful, and
it's like it's a prison film and a martial arts
film and a horror film period piece, so much going on.
There's some like magical elements as well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Hong Kong is.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Known for throwing genres into a blender and just kind
of letting it be what it is, and it's something
that I think is really admirable. There were a lot
of Hong Kong titles that I could have picked, because
I think that they've put out some real bangers, and
I think as far as like consistency goes, like pound
for pound, I tend to enjoy the average Hong Kong
film more than the average like American film that they
put out. But that is one that is especially like

(01:05:42):
twisted and dark and beautiful and really really well made,
and it has the Sam Degan commentary on it that's
really great. And I think that the region B is Eureka,
and I think that Frank Jeng is on that one,
and I love his commentaries, and I love this movie
so much that I have genuinely considered buying it again.
But that's my Hong Kong recommendation. And then I will

(01:06:03):
never stop talking about how amazing this release is because
it's like maybe my favorite thing that they've put out,
Like it just connected with me personally so much. And
that's the Mexican Gothic set, the Carlos Enrico Tabuata set.
I will just continue to let me check if this
thing isn't sold out by now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
I think that the slip is, but I don't think the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
I hope it's in print, but I hope that the
fucking slip is sold out by now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Uh yeah, it looks like from Yeah, the slip is
sold out. Yeah it's it took.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
It took a while, but yeah. So like the first
one is Poison for the Fairies, which is a amazing
sort of Unfortunately the review for this doesn't live on
my channel anymore because I had to get rid of
it for personal reasons. But the uh, the first film
on this set is a like sort of gothic fairy
tale atheist sort of like skewering of Catholicism, and like

(01:07:00):
there's these great child actors doing like really fucked up shit.
Like it's just a very sort of philosophical sort of
it's definitely I guess the unkind way to say it
would be that this is an agy atheist movie, but
that's kind of what I am, so it connects with me.
And then the second one is called what is it

(01:07:20):
called Darker than Night. It's a really great movie about
a black cat and that's kind of my whole thing.
So I'm a big fan of that one, And uh,
I think it's the weakest of the set, but it's
still it's still really good and I still really enjoy it,
and it's definitely gotten aesthetic to it, and it's pro
black cat, so we love that. And then the third
one is not a horror movie at all. They kind

(01:07:41):
of snuck it in here, but it's just a really beautiful, moving,
like class drama. It's called Rapina and it's about some
poor Mexican peasants that happen upon a crashed plane and
take the riches for themselves and are punished for it.
And it's a really, really great film about class disparity,

(01:08:01):
and yeah, I don't want to go too much further
than that, but it's just such a great varied set
and like the booklet is really good too. I mean
you can't get it anymore unfortunately, but like there's good
features on this too, and like really it's about the
movies and god, they're so good. So that's like awesome,
my one of my favorite releases they've ever put out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Hell yeah, my friend Kevin has beaten the drum on
this set to me because I have it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
I got this in Villages of the Day. I'm back
to back. But he said he's.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Like almost one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
And he said he's like this legitimately, these movies are
like this isn't even a vs thing. He's like just
some of the best stuff I've seen in the past year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
When he yeah again, like I know, this is maybe
an annoying thing to say, but you know what I mean,
Like at least the first and the third films of
like these are Criterion movies, you know, Like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean. You kind
of have to bring that up. It's like a reference point,
but it's one that's worth bringing up because they've kind
of criterions almost like jumped the sh in some ways.
So like to bring this up with like genre stuff,
I think is important because it kind of tells you
what you're getting versus like an exploitation movie versus something
that obviously will have crossover because you kind of know,

(01:09:12):
like you're not gonna recommend Blood Beat to the same
people you'd necessarily recommend a set like this too, or
like even Orgy of the Dead, So it's kind of
like it's it's one that I think is important to
bring up for that reason because I think it's the
type of thing that could convert people to seeing what
else along with Singapore Sling and even like you know,
Killer Condom, which was a trauma release, like people people
are would probably be surprised by that, but like, you know, yeah,

(01:09:36):
I just think that's worth noting for that same reason.
So that's that's a I am overdue on getting to
this set. Lord knows when I will, but I will.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
There's somebody I know who doesn't like this set, and
I thought it was you for a second, but I
guess not. Oh no, And I'm like, oh, that's a bummer.
But I just love them, so much.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
There's two things in there.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
One I think related to criterion, Like I think that's
just a that's a scinct way of saying something that's
like a classically canonical like art house film.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
It's just it's like a very succinct way of doing
it because Janis over the years has just gone out
and acquired like the film school and masters, right and
put those out. And even if they're broadening now, they're
broadening because they're up to like ten thousand releases or whatever,
like they kind of just they just have to at
some point. And they've gotten a lot of flak for
just putting out white filmmakers, which is good, I mean appropriate,
So they're I think they're trying to broaden. But yeah,

(01:10:28):
the core of criteria I think is just like something
that a very snooty film school student that's only studied
the theory of film would enjoy. And the interesting thing
about Taboada, which I think ties into what you could
say of a lot of countries, is you know, God
bless or Satan bless whatever, vinegar syndrome for putting these

(01:10:48):
out because in country, Tabada was not a like he
was known for a genre filmmaker, but he was beloved, like,
like I really thought very highly of him, and he
won awards and like he was, you know, a very
critically acclaimed filmmakers. So like we need somebody to put
this stuff out, right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Yeah, And like I tell people this all the time
because I feel like for Mexican cultural exports sort of
like everybody loves Mexican food more or less, right, But
like when I tell people, like, no, Mexico has an
amazing cinematic tradition, like a lot of people are like, oh,
I didn't even think about that. And like, personally, I
can thank Vinegar Syndrome for that because they have done
a lot of work putting out Mexican films, and I

(01:11:26):
tend to like all of them at least to some extent.
Like I see, you know, there's I don't want to
say that I'm that you graded this on a curve,
but like there's a you know, you have to recognize
the difference between somebody making something even at a low
budget in like the peak of privilege in like the
United States or you know, adjacent to Hollywood, where like
movies are like the whole thing, right, versus like, you know,

(01:11:50):
poor people making like or maybe even not poor people,
but people from a poorer country, in a less in
a more culturally maligned country, like making art that speaks
to them and their culture. Like, I just think that
that's so valuable, and it kind of makes me sad
that people are so close minded that they I mean,
you know, we don't have to get into this, but
it's kind of a microcosm of like why where where
we're at it, Like where nobody wants to think outside

(01:12:12):
of their own sort of privilege in their own bubble
and their own experience. But uh, you know, I think
even the like lesser Mexican films that they've put out, like,
I still think it's really valuable to engage with that stuff.
So I wanted to just shout out that whole like
I see you vs. I see that you're making an
effort to do this, and I think it's really awesome.
So there's that one. And then my last little double

(01:12:34):
feature is, my boy, isn't it fun that we're falling
super quickly into Christian theocracy? Here's how we're This leads
double feature of the Devonsville Terror in Mark of the Devil,
which are tough films to watch. I'll say that. I
think they're both great. This witch hunting films are just

(01:12:54):
a format or a micro genre that work for me
almost every time, and like because it feels so current.
In particular, I mean, Mark and the Devil is more
overt and it's violence, and it's more overt, and it's
like political stuff that's going on at like a higher level.
But in terms of like hitting the mark culturally of

(01:13:16):
like where we're at with like the average conservative, rural
sort of Christian like the things that the people like
are yelling at the witches or at the witch in
the Devonsville Terror. I'm like, it's actually shocking. I'm like, oh,
this could have come out today and people would have said,
you're being a little on the nose, like it's kind

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of insane. It's about this woman. It's like, i mean,
she's queer coded, like she doesn't have a partner, she's
got really short hair, and she's teaching kids, like about
stuff that they don't want kids to know about, like
stuff outside, Like she's teaching them about other religions or
she's like oh yeah, I think she even says that
she's like not necessarily a Christian, and like they're like Yeah,

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we can't have this. They're corrupting the youth, and it's
like things really haven't changed, han, like we're doing this again,
Like that's crazy. So those are the two films that
I that I think about in terms of like, uh, hey,
maybe this isn't desirable and we correct course.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
So so, uh Devonsville Terror was very close, very very
close to making it to my list. I think Julie
Lamel did a great I think they have three of
his films.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
Two that I've seen, and what's the third one, Olivia.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I'm guessing that Okay, Olivia is out of print, but
the Boogeyman for people don't know, that's the other one.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
I think that's still I know that in Devnsville is.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Still out there. Yeah. I love that movie too. I
just think it's less thematically interesting, so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Totally that one's more imagery than than actually like that
was just kind of more of like a It just
has some really cool visuals and I think they're both
on shutter.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
But uh, I think I think Boogeyman is like prot
A twenty four and that it deals with like trauma
as like the horror or whatever, and like right, it's
definitely doing that before it was like notated as like
a thing or whatever. And quickly, I'm sorry I keep
interrupting you, but Olivia is in print, just the standard edition,
so awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yes, yes, highly highly recommend it. It's such a What's
funny is like all of his movies are kind of
riffs on other movies. Essentially Devonsville Terror. I would say
it's probably more original, but you know, Boogeyman, it's like
you're saying, it's it's pro A twenty four and not
just in its trauma core, but also in its neon core,
Like it has a lot of neon blighting, so it

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has so it's definitely worth watching. It's a it's a
fun it's a very fun movie in a weird way.
But I think Devonsville Terror. I went into it kind
of expecting the same thing, and I was so shocked
that it really does have this like feminist angle, very
very holds up very well in terms of its thematic things, sadly,

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and and then it just has some great literal face melters.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
That's all I'll say about that part.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
But like they did a great job restoring it, and
it's just it's it's a really really I really really
enjoyed that one. It was such a pleasant surprise. It
made me seek out Olivia, which is kind of like
a DiPalma riff and it just goes in very weird places.
It's not like the other two. It's not as horror
oriented in that sense. But totally great choice. I love
that you picked it. Mark of the Devil's Like, I

(01:16:28):
just looked at my letterbox because I remember seeing it.
I remember liking it enough, but what I called it
was rc Cola Witchfinder general. It felt like a more slightly.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Yeah, it's not as good as that, but I love
that movie so much that even the bargain Bin version
of it, I'm like, yeah, I still love it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Oh totally.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
No, No, I did like it because it's it's like
you said, it's criticisms. It's still obviously is part of
that angle where it's like it explores how the people
who were enacting these like crusades are doing it from
like sadistic empower angles.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I just Franco did one sort of I think it
wasn't a I don't think it was a which one,
but it was called like Knight of the Bloody Judge,
the Bloody Judge. Yeah, that one, and like, see it's
all about like exploitation, not exploitation filmmaking, but like literal
exploitation of these power structures to like enact really sadistic
things for people. And like, uh so it still works,

(01:17:25):
and it luckily implies a lot more than it does
even though it's very explicit, but it like I just
remember stylistically it it cut through the stuff very well
to make it's like it's torture. Seems very effective. So yeah, great, great, great,
one two punch there. I love that you did them
in pairs. I kind of wish I did that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
I had the idea as you were talking. I was like,
let me rearrange these because I just want to grow them.
I was like, I can actually make these into little stacks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Perfect. Yeah, all right, Chris, what do you got for us?

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
I just want to quickly SKay the that there's something
that I think is really interesting. The more exposure we
get to Mexican.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Horror and Hong Kong horror, and.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
You know, on the Mono Macabro podcast, I do, we
get Indonesian Filipino horror as well, where it's really fascinating
to tie into like the local folklore and how that
ties into horror movies. And I think that it's really important.
You were talking about some of the Mexican horror being

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anti Christian or atheistic in nature, and of course that's
true because Catholicism has been such a part of the
culture and there's been so much pain. I mean, forget
about discussion on religion, just just physical pain brought on
by the Catholic Church throughout history. And I think that
does get into the psyche and the storytelling culturally, right.

(01:18:50):
You can't help it. It's in the history books, you can't.
You know, there's accidental pain, like when they brought disease,
new new rhymes, and then there's the intentional pain, right
of restricting people from eating and violence and some of
these things unless they became Catholic. So like that all
that stuff woven into the history books makes it just

(01:19:12):
like perfect fodder for horror movies, right, I think in
a not trying to make it in a positive way,
but the fact that it happened sucks, and it's also
a great way to lead into horror.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
I think, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
Absolutely. Plus, like the Mexican a lot of Mexican aesthetics
with like the Day of the Dead and stuff is
like combining like Gothic and Catholic imagery. It's just really
ripe for you know, promising young filmmakers to do something
with that. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Yeah, and it's cool that so many cultures celebrate the
dead openly in like really interesting ways.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
And I think we still have to use some of that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
Yeah, no, like really though, like we still have.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
I'm being it's sincere, Like I think that this sort
of like death defying sort of like or death negative
or sort of the denial of death in our culture
is actually creates a lot of a lot of pain
and a lot of people ill equipped to deal with
the universal human experience.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Right, Okay, well we can have a separate podcast on
that because I want to dig into that, because I.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Agree, I do too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Yeah, yeah, awesome, Okay, well, well we'll have a special
episode of America and White People's.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
Relationship Anxiety podcasts.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
But for the sake of time, okay, I group my dad,
And even the funny thing is, even in the groupings,
there was groups that I left out just for the
sake of time. Like, so I'm just trying to capture
people's imagination a little bit with this and say like
here's some themes that you can discover if you dive

(01:20:52):
into the back catalog a little bit. Right, I feel
like we have to start with party horror because they
have so much of it in their catalog, just movies
that play so well in a large group of people.
They're bat shit crazy horror movies. The two that I chose,
one was Night Trained to Terror and the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
Other one Wild.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
What was the second one?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Second was Christmas Evil?

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Oh great one two punch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Those are like really old school titles, and like for them,
for their they like that's like when they didn't have
their like artwork completely like there, like when you look
at the back of it. And and also some I
don't even think those had like reversible sleeve artworks. But like,
uh yeah, great calls.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
They're just fun movies. And then the other one that's
a little bit more recent. I'm gonna get the title
not perfect, but you can correct me. It's like dial
Dial Santa claus Dial Cod Dial Santa Clausa, Dial.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Close Santa Clausa. That's a fun one.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
Just fucking like fun movies, man, Like you just put
them on and like everybody's having a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yeah, they're perfect. They're perfect three star movies what you're
talking about. They're like just about you know what I mean,
because like they're not masterpieces in any way, but they're
they're super fun. And I say that like with love
because I feel like with three star stuff, sometimes people
are like, well, that means it just barely made it
over the finish line. And sometimes that's true for some
of these where you're like, I saw it, I'm never

(01:22:16):
seeing it again. But sometimes it's just that it's like
a it's like junk food pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
I keep running into this doing my weekly live stream
now that I'm doing it consistently for like the first time,
and I'm doing like my letterbox recaps and stuff, and
I keep coming upon these films where I'm like, gosh,
I don't remember a single thing about this. I had
some friends over, we got real fucking high, and we
watched this, and you know what, Apparently I liked it.
It did its job for the experience. I don't remember it,

(01:22:45):
so I guess I could do it again, you know,
Like that's like what you're describing to me right now.

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
Yeah, And I think a lot of a lot of
these kind of fit into that category, like Night Trained
to Terror.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Would you want to watch it one hundred times? No?

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Probably not, But like that movie is really fun and
it's and he's got that theme song that just plays
on repeat in between these segments and it's just a goop.
I don't know, it's like it's just I feel like
it's it's more fun the larger.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Of the group kids.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
The second category I want to bring up is slashers,
and there's you know, they have so many slashers in
their catalog that you and Kunt comes in and is
like they're specialist there and it produces the special features, right,
and it's kind of like the slasher guy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
But two that I want to call out all the
way going back.

Speaker 6 (01:23:31):
To nineteen seventy two, there's a film that plays exactly
like a slasher called Deer Dead Delilah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
I just bought this nice.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
I'm not going to say yeah, I'm not going to
say you're gonna be like just completely blown away, but
like it. I think it's a cool movie.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
And from a historical context, the fact that it's it's
a pretty stereotypical slasher movie that comes out in nineteen
seventy two. I think that's interesting and it's still fun,
and there's all sorts of interesting backstories about some of
the actors in the movie, and some of them were
kind of embarrassed by it. Some of them just loved it,
and like you know, Agnes Morehead was in it. It's

(01:24:09):
just like a cool it's like an interesting time piece
and a movie that I enjoy. And then really fun
one is Blood Hook.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Yeah that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Yeah, that's fun. But you might want to put one
warning on that one. It's almost two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
That's true. It's a little bit longer than a regular slast.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
That's That's one that's kind of the opposite of what
I just said, where like I had a good time,
but I don't remember anything about it. That's one where
like I thought, I was like, yeah, it's it's fine.
I had a good time while it was on, But
years later I still think about it a lot. It
just kind of stayed with me. It got its hooks
and to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Oh, by the way, I want to clarify something when
I say the running time, because I hate people who
are like who get into like lengths about stuff sometimes
where they turn into like running time police.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Like this didn't need to be this long.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
It's not really I don't mean it in those terms,
because I just mean that when you go to watch
a slasher from Trauma or anybody for that matter, you
got to once you pass the ninety minute mark, every
minute kind of has to be justified, and whether it
justifies itself or not is up to you. But it's fun.

(01:25:18):
But I think if you don't know that going in,
sometimes it works. There was that Nico Masterracus movie in
the Cold in the Night. I didn't know it was
almost two hours when I threw it on, and I
remember when I paused it to get up to go
like p or something, I was like, oh my god,
this has forty five minutes left. But then I ended
up like it fried my brain in exactly the way
I would want something like that to find my brain.

(01:25:38):
But nonetheless, I think if people like that might deter
people from watching it sadly by kind of spoiling that,
but they'll also look that up themselves. But I think that, like, yeah,
as far as like the Trauma releases, that's another I
believe an acquisition for them, and a fun one at that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:25:56):
And it was it's got a fun backstory. They were
threatened with an X rating for graphic violence, so they
had to cut it, and VS went back and found
all the footage they cut out, so it's the it's
the technically the X rated cut that we get to see,
which is perfect, which is a very VS thing. But
there's a hundred more slashers probably that I could call out.

(01:26:18):
These are just ones that I feel like are lesser
discussed body horror. For me, their their body horror. If
I just want to call that one to make sure
it's focused, go see Body Melt. It's an Australian movie.
Philip Brophy's guys. He's an interesting character, Like he's like

(01:26:39):
a musician. He's a kind of an avant garde musician
and he made a fucking weird movie that Cronenberg would
probably be really happy with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I mean, it has its own theme song at the
end of the credits. So yeah, that's a fun one.
I actually got to see that that screen somewhere before COVID,
before I think VS even put it out, and I
just remember really having on with it. I haven't seen
it since then, but yeah, it's good. Like horror comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Isshu yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:07):
Yeah, that one's totally out of print and I dropped
the ball and didn't grab it. But hopefully it comes
back in some capacity or I can just see it sometime.
But yeah, I'll put in my my alternate for Body Horror,
I guess, and that's The Incredible Melting Man, and that
it's a fun movie with some real goofy effects and
the four K looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Oh so good, And I think people take that for
granted because it's like one of those I think it's
I think that was an MST three K movie, but
it's super I think Incredible Melting Man is super fun.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
It's like eighty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
It gives you exactly what you want from something like that,
and then just to go back to Body Melt for
a second. It is streaming on Shutter, so if anyone
does want to watch it and they don't they can't
get the Blu ray. You can watch Shutters seven to
twenty p.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
HD in quotation release. You can see it exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
The Supernatural Horrors is one that I feel like I
want to call out, and this is another one where
it's kind of sneaky because you don't they don't really claim.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
To have like another supernatural horror movie. But they do find.

Speaker 6 (01:28:09):
A lot of horror movies with some really unexpected supernatural
elements to them. So I was trying to I want
to be a little careful with this because I don't
want to go too far into spoilers. Sometimes it's part
of the plot, it's it's kind of spoilery.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
But two early ones i'll call out.

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
Evils of the Night is one that and if the
movie is interesting, there's a there's two movies that were
made with a very similar plot called One of the
other ones called Evil Town, which is an early VSA release,
but Evils of the Night takes it in a little
bit of a different direction. And Marty Rustam is an
interesting character in general. The director here is he was

(01:28:47):
interesting as a producer.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Evils of the Night. And then Bloody New Year is.

Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
A movie that I was not expecting to go into
some of those weird supernatural directions and ended up having
a good time with Bloody New Year. So those are
two early ones I wanted to call.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Out Evils by the way, Evils of the Night, I
think that is the better version because I saw Evil Town.
I got lucky though, so both of these are out
of print. Evils of the Night. You can rent Evil Town.
You don't ever have to seek out or pay one
hundred bucks for whatever it's going for. It is dreadfully bad.
I could not believe it truly is one of the worst.

(01:29:23):
Like I think I have it a one star on letterbox.
I hated it. Evils of the Night I haven't seen
in its entirety because I knew it. It's kind of
Evil Town was a remix of it. I just because
it was like, because the fomo on Evil Town was
so high, I like for a lot of people. It
just my curiosity got me and I saw it. I
saw it at a at a record store, so I
picked it up, and yeah, I it makes me now

(01:29:47):
want to check out Evils of the Night since you're
endorsing that one over it and Bloody New Year was
Norman Warren, who who they put out four of his movies.
I know Indicator did a box set overseas through the
region b Ones. I just saw Terror for the first time,
which was like his Suspiria riff. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
So glad you called out Bloody New York.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
Yeah, or supernatural horror can I just call out a
trio of films real quick. Absolute Please, what's the director?
Let me get his name right, Rubin Glindo Junior. Oh yeah, No,
Cemetery of Terror, Don't Panic, and Grave Robbers. They're all
going out of print. So this is a timely recommendation

(01:30:25):
that if you want fun, supernatural gothic horrors to get
real high to and have a nice time with, like
banger aesthetics and like fun movies, these are ones where
they all blended together. And I don't remember them that well,
but I remember the visuals, I remember the vibes. These
slipcovers do a good job of giving you an idea
as to what the aesthetic is. And you know, if

(01:30:47):
you're trying to be cool and get more into Mexican films,
you should definitely, Like I mean, I picked these up
when they were on sale last time. It was like
fucking eleven twelve dollars each, Like it's hard to go
wrong with that. You know they're going to be gone,
so check them out.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
Agree, yes, and I'll be talking more about Galindo in
just a moment. There's something that trauma does, I mean trauma,
there's well, you know what since I had that Freudian slip.
I'll just talk about Trauma. So they have a great
relationship with Trauma. And one that I wanted to call

(01:31:24):
out is an acquisition by Trauma that I think would
surprise people with how fun it is is flesh Eating Mothers.
So if you haven't seen that, obviously, they just released
Tromeo and Juliet, so they they're now putting out like
Sergeant Kabuki man, we'll talk about it in just a minute,
like they're putting out the like you know, the known
like canonical Trauma movies here, but a lot of the

(01:31:47):
ones that Trauma's acquired over the years are also really good.
And I haven't heard a lot of people talking about
flesh Eating Mothers, so I thought I would call that
out as a fun old Trauma one. And we've even
talked about two or three more just in the content,
you know, in this last hour here, which is great.
One thing that VS does really well is sequels. I

(01:32:08):
love most of the sequels they put up. They Amideville
four through seven. I don't hope there's a way to
see those.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Are you talking about that? You're talking about the box set?

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Yeah, the box set. I hope there's a way to
see the individual movie.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Still.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Oh, I see them on streaming all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
I don't know in what capacity, but I've seen them like,
if not on shutter, I think i've seen them on
like two B or something like just just browsing. Those
those aren't, at least for in a streaming capacity, are
not hard to find, but they're they're super fun and
I would argue more entertaining than the original. That's the
originals kind of like very much the Friday of the
thirteenth of its series, where it's like, actually really the
least interesting one or at least at least fun one,

(01:32:48):
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
I agree. Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
As a quick side note on a Mideville orror, the
second movie is one of the most angry movies I
think I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
It just goes yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
I hope VS puts it out.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
Yeah, I've only seen the first one, but it was
on my undercard to call out because it's one of
the best looking four k's I've ever seen. And I
think that the movie. It was the first time i'd
seen it, and I think it's a banger, Like it's
really dark, but I really like it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
The Amityville two, No, no, no, the originals, the original
Oh cool cool Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
Yeah, No, of course it's got some Yeah, it's well
known for a reason, I think, But yeah, the sequels
just take it into really fun and weird directions. They
released Extra three, which is pretty difficult movie to get through.
I'm not gonna sit here and say it's a masterpiece,
but it definitely falls into the category of kind of
a deep cut for VS.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
And it's a sequel that I'm glad got to release.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
Zombie five The Killing Birds, which is just a wacky
movie and I had a good time with. And then
my favorite of the sequels I think is probably the
Scanner Cup sequels. Yeah, because they just those movies just
got weirder and weirder as they kept making more of them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
So really happy that they got those sequels up quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
Running through just the last of the recommendations, there's eight
Forgotten Jolly sets, so a ton of ways to get
into Italian horror. I don't know if they'll ever top
Volume seven in terms of the quality of the movies,
but anything really four through eight is going to have
I think is that they're really kind of hitting their

(01:34:31):
stride on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Those Yeah, that's what most people said about that, Like
it's funny when you talk about how like the first
three went out of print so quickly, but everyone says
kind of four, especially five, five, six, seven, even within
that seems to be where they really hit the streak
because people I've had people tell me like, I don't
know how six isn't out of print, like they have
some of the best titles that like two of my
friends think that's actually their best set, and then you

(01:34:54):
think seven is the best. I mean, obsession, it tastes
for fear, Like what that's so fun.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
A volume six? Volume five didn't do it for me,
but Volume six I thought was really great. A city
on my channel talking about how it kind of like
sold me on Jallo like as a genre because I've
just always been a little bit They've always felt like
they're trying to be detective movies and horror movies and
not doing the best job at either of them because

(01:35:21):
I can't really pick a lane. But I kind of
got on the wavelength and just kind of anyway, And
my quick trick to getting into Jalla movies is like,
stop trying to make them make sense. If the if
the killer is revealed at the end, and you say, genuinely,
I don't know who that is. It's okay, just it's vibes,
you know, like, and that's it right totally, because every

(01:35:42):
time I'd be like, who the fuck is that? Or
like how does that make any goddamn sense? It would
drive me crazy, but I'm just like, don't know who
it is. Whatever, it was a cool movie.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
Just have fun with it, right, So yeah, a lot
of jolly movies they've put out. Okay, so one of
the movies you called out for Reuben Galindo is Don't Panic,
which is his night Murder Elm Street kind of tribute,
And just want to like, I just want to call
a shout out to the work that what's it called,

(01:36:16):
trash Mechs podcast, Warner Brothers.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
What Nightmare on Elm Street?

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Joke?

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Sorry, oh oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Just really want to under discussed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
Shout out the underdogs and Warner Brothers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
That's right, that's awesome. Uh No, the work that the
trash Mechs podcast is doing. Just want to call attention
to it because those guys are awesome and they're they're
doing a really good job of bringing context to just
how big these movies were in Mexico around the time
they came out, and how tired they are into the culture.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
So love love those guys. And then the last one
is Hong Kong Horror.

Speaker 6 (01:36:56):
So there's a ton of Hong Kong horror they've put
out and they continue to do more. And I think
VSA is really something called Shossploitation set, which is interesting.
And they have Hong Kong Horror or Hong Kong Hong
Kong Volume one made in Hong Kong volume one and
what the first movie on that set is called Demons Baby.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
Awesome kicks ass, it's so good.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
I just want to call something, make some love for
the Hong Kong horror. And I think if you haven't
seen Demons Baby, it's a really good place to start
for some Hong Kong wror.

Speaker 5 (01:37:29):
That you do you have the name of the second
film in that set on hand, yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
It's called Erotic Nightmare.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
A neurotic Nightmare. That movie is fucked up and uncomfortable,
and I really liked it. Yes, it's made from the
swer discretion as advised. It's very uncomfortable and it's very sleazy,
but I think it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
More like viewer discretion endorsed my attention.

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
And repellent. It is definitely what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
All Right, well I'm hungry, so I'm gonna go in
for some lunch. Then that is exactly I gotta regret
making that joke.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
When you see the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Well, look, I that's another one I own. I just
haven't gotten around to it, but I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:38:17):
The third one is not that good, but the first
two are bangers. So if the set is worth it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:21):
Yes, yeah, yes, I agree for me, the Demons baby
makes the whole set worth it. But yeah, seeing Anthony Wong,
Anthony Wong is probably like an actor that just he
gets put into the most horrible situations, like that guy's
career is wild, but.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
He's like a He's like an Isabelle Whopaer or something
where like there's no role that's too like depraved for
him and he's just like whatever, I'll do it. Yes,
it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Great, it's actually funny. None of us bought up a
bowl of syndrome at this point, but that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
Yeah, it felt I tried to go for deep cuts.
But if we're doing just you know, the bangers, like
a bowl of syndrome is essential one on one stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Sure, yeah, that's a good point. You're right, Yeah, that's
uh oh man. But yeah, Anthony Wong definitely doing like
lifetime achievement level work that like I I full fully
believe that. I think he's up there with like like
and this will be a very short detour, but like
in Pink Line, there's Naomi Tani like like a lot
of you know, I think both of them have this

(01:39:21):
commitment that like no fucking American actor would like, they
truly leave their their vanity at the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Door, and they are really.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Really clock in to do whatever it is they have
to do. And I think that that's absolutely worth, not
just something everything. Yeah, exactly, so.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
Well, there you go a bunch of deep cut horror
movies from Vinegar Syndrome.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Celeste.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Do you want to stick around while we quickly cover
the August titles or do you wanna you wanna bow?

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
I got a piece out, But thanks y'all. I had
fun doing this, and it's nice to call out some
movies that I had reviews on my channel and they
don't exist anymore, soefully they these recommendations can exist on
the Internet again, So that's that's nice. But uh yeah,
this was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
So least where are you most active?

Speaker 6 (01:40:09):
Because I've seen you doing some quick reviews on Instagram
as well, Like, where are you the most active right now?

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
I'm pretty active everywhere right now. I'm really trying to
keep the momentum going. This is maybe the most I've
ever been like posting consistently in my whole career, so
I'm excited about that. But you can find all my
work on my YouTube channel, YouTube dot com, slash slash
day Likabra, and the short form content will get reposted
on my TikTok and Instagram. Also at the leastday Likabra

(01:40:35):
catch my live streams every Saturday evening around six pm
Eastern Standard time. And then if you want to support
the work I do and help me pay my bills
because I'm struggling, there's my Patreon dot com slash Least
day lkabra. If you want to follow al on what
I'm watching, letterbox dot com slash and Human Ecstasy if
you want to get little spoilers about what I'm going

(01:40:57):
to be talking about in the next few weeks or whatever.
Those those are the places that I live on the internet.

Speaker 6 (01:41:04):
Well I'll link your Patreon and and some of those
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
But yeah, everybody go please so support ghost support the list.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Thank you, thanks, thanks, it's a less great great seeing
you again. You too, likewise, so see you in fifteen minutes.
That was great.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
I'm so glad we got to talk about some some
stuff that doesn't get like that kind of could get
lost in the shuffle, given that there's a five hundred
plus titles just on the mainline.

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
Same same, No, what a fun what a fun thing
to do. Actually, that's kind of like a little bit
of a small dream come true for me here to
be able to do that for an hour, hour and
a half whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
So so we talked abou kaboogie Man a little bit before.
This probably might be more for you, but uh, I
think this is for me. Has always been one of
the weaker Trauma Marquee titles.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
It just doesn't really the the I feel like when
I'm watching it, I feel like I could just be
watching the Toxic Avenger like it's it just feels like
it's it's a it's an attempt at like reconfiguring that
in a way that just I don't know, it never
makes me it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
It has some.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Small pleasures, but for the most part, I'm like, it's
a lot of groans and eye rolling for me, which
I again, I say this as someone who grew up
on trauma and loving trauma. Just for some reason, that
one in particular just never never hit for me. So
I think, Uh, I think I'll let you take the
reins on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
Cool well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:42:25):
Spine five eight is Sergeon Kabugi man NYPD, directed by
boy Kaufman and the mysterious Michael Hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
It is uh.

Speaker 6 (01:42:38):
I almost wonder if it's the time and place movie
because the fact that you're you didn't love it is fine,
of course, like whatever, but.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
You know it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
The fact that this came out before Marvel started doing
their thing with the MCU, I think is interesting because
this pretty much follows what is now a formula for
like a superhero origin.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Story, right, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
I mean it's a spoof on it, and it's a
goofy movie. Like, don't get me wrong, it's not like
this is not high art, but it does follow that
origin story pretty pretty close. And you know, it's got
interestingly enough Lloyd so Boyd Kaufman.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
It's a big deal.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
For him that he's accurate when he represents other cultures.
So he brought in a kabuki like specialist to kind
of make sure he wasn't offending Japanese audience or offending
japan So you know, he's got it's not inaccurate.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
At least, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:43):
Somebody who's a super expert might say he's taking some
creative license. I don't know, but at least there's some
element of truth to it. He's making some effort there,
and it's a really bad shit premise, which is perfect
for a trauma movie for me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
That's kind of what I want out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
I want something that's silly and and loud and has
some kills that you know, just just feel like schlocky
and has a really weird sense of humor.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
So it's kind of a sweet spot trauma movie for me.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
That's that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Yeah, I think that, Like, I mean, look, I most
people I talked to who grew up around the same
time that did watch the movie. They like it, So
it's yeah, I think you're right. I think it's a
time and place thing.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I mean, I was late to the party on acquisitions.
VS is doing a great job of bringing back into
those you know, just coming up what we were talking
about with Celeste.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
And like, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
What I will say also, by the way, always worth
noting with all the Trauma movies they put out, they
don't just put them out to put them out. I mean,
this fucking release is stacked. There's like the PG thirteen cut,
the R rated cut, The transfer is incredible. They poured
it over a lot of the features from like the
Trauma DVD, but then they did unique interviews and stuff.
So it's definitely like a thing where like I don't

(01:44:58):
think anybody who wants to collect VS and wants to
see what they think of trauma. This obviously is like
of the variety of you know, not everything should be
toxic Avenger and not everything should be you know, terror
Firm or whatever else they're putting out. But like it,
it's obviously more each entry is a unique entry. So
I'm glad. I'm glad you dug it. I'm glad we're

(01:45:19):
both not like, h it's a skip. I like when
it's like a split so people can kind of based
on the two opinions, they'll know better whether or not
to try it out totally.

Speaker 6 (01:45:28):
Speaking of a split. A director who in my eyes
is very surprisingly has some haters is Larry Fessenden.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
And masterful segue by the way, masterful.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. What is it called?

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
Spine five oh nine is the first two films they're
putting out from him, which is Habit and No Telling.
In order of release would be No Telling and Habit.
I had not seen No Telling before, and I am
so glad I got to see this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Holy shit.

Speaker 6 (01:45:59):
Uh, I loved both these movies. I already knew I
liked Habit, but I love both these movies.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Yeah, I love Habit. I haven't seen it in twenty
plus years, so I'm excited to revisit it. I haven't
watched No Telling yet, So we talked about at the
beginning of the episode. We're a bit behind, and I
kind of intentionally I'm holding off on the Festendens for
when we talk about not for when we talk about them,
but just I wanted to do them kind of all,
not in like back to back to back, but I

(01:46:25):
know the other two are Winter Horror, so I kind
of wanted to wait and watch them all within a
little bit of Closer and October is really hard. But
this makes me really happy to hear. I do think
Habit is like a good text for indie horror, especially for.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Nineties indie horror.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
It's crazy. It's crazy to me that people don't connect
with this stuff. I guess it's not for everybody, but
I think the fact that VS got a hold of it.
I know Shout Factory did like some box set, but
the fact that these were like in four K and
get like really good treatment and you can get them
in these nice boxes. And obviously you can get them
separately on retail if they don't all work for you,
you can literally buy the individual titles. But the fact

(01:46:59):
that you and also save some money and buy them
in these little pair of cool boxes that fit together
on your shelf with making his face though unfortunately they
don't match up on spine rip to that. But but yeah,
it's uh, it's that's great. I'm glad to hear that
No Telling was good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
It is And I'll just quickly say, you know, Fessenden.

Speaker 6 (01:47:21):
Has this desire to kind of do like a retelling
of classic horror. He's a he's a huge fan of
classic horror and so no Telling is his Frankenstein riv
and it's really good, like it really, I really love
the because it's in four K. I think you get
to see what a visual artist he is as well

(01:47:42):
as not as just a good storyteller. I think there's
some very beautiful shots in this movie, and he does
a good job creating terror, and I think he does
a good job of writing. He I really I've said
this before and I and I don't mean to make
a comparison all the time to this, but I just
really love Larry festened In and Scooterer McCrae for the

(01:48:04):
same reason. I feel like there are two artists that
that are not confined by budget. They just their ideas
like transcend budget.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Yeah, I mean also and because of that, they're not
confined to any kind of what you're seeing is their vision, yeah,
like through and through that's what they're making the movie
they want to make. So you know, whether if you're
plugged into what they're doing, that means you're plugged into them,
like you get their shit. It's awesome. So that makes
me really happy to hear. I think, like I said,

(01:48:35):
we've with habit. It's just such a good movie. It's
it's one of the would if you told me Habit
was coming out in January, which I know they already
said they were going to do some they kind of
started giving away festens and stuff in the lineup. But
if you told me that in January, I would have said,
no question. Oh that's one of their best releases of
the year.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Yea for me exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
And Habit is the vampire take so the click take on.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
Yeah, yeah, vamprism. Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
So, then moving on to five ten Playroom or Schizo.
It's also called a many Koto film. Have you had
a chance to see this one?

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
I did see this one, so it's it. Yeah, it's
many Koto who made Doctor Giggles after this. It is
kind of a cross between like Child's Play. It's a
strange movie. It I'm surprised I wouldn't, I think as
it was made later, I think it would have been
called Child's Play if they could. But it's it just

(01:49:40):
has an intriguing like okay. So it stars Christopher McDonald
in e lead performance. It's directed by Manny Coto, and
the story was apparently written. I just noticed this in
the credits while you're watching the movie, not the script,
but the story was written by the actor Jackie Earl Haley.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which blew my mind. So it's just
about it. So Christopher.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
McDonald plays an archaeologist who had this What the implication
is at the beginning of the movie is that when
he was a kid, his family was murdered at this
archaeological site that they were staying at, and as a
grown up, he pitches this magazine article to his editor
and goes down to the I think it's supposed to
be you Yugoslavia and goes to investigate those that that

(01:50:29):
that cave in that area, and suddenly he is getting
these murderous visions again and an imaginary friend of his
that's like sort of a stop motion to stand in
for Chucky. Essentially, this actually sorry to go on to Tangier,
but this rips off like a bunch of different movies,
but Child's Play, I remember, it kind of is ripping

(01:50:49):
off the shining at certain points, but it's it's atmospheric,
I mean the you know, oftentimes places like Yugoslavia in
movies are not called Yugoslavia. They're called something else, just
for tax purposes. That's why they're shooting there. This movie
does away with that window dressing and actually is like, no,
this takes place in the Eastern Europe. It's cheap to

(01:51:09):
shoot here and we'll just set it around it. But
it unfortunately doesn't have any momentum. I think the movie
starts a little strong, but it really lost me as
it went along, Like it's not. I still think it's
worth a watch just because of the kind of combination
of those interesting credits that are there, and the atmosphere

(01:51:30):
is good, but like, even at like almost ninety minutes,
I was kind of struggling a bit to stay up
and watching or stay engaged. I think this was by
Smart Egg Pictures, who was involved in producing Nightmare on
Elm Street, and yeah, yeah from Smart Egg Pictures, one

(01:51:51):
of the key financiers behind the original Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah,
there is like some really cool stop motion stuff in
the end, but a lot of it just kind of
The movie unfortunately feels a little asleep at the wheel
at times. But this is what I will say, is
this is the stuff when people are always like, oh,
I wish VS went back to basics or whatever that
complaint is. This is one hundred percent the type of

(01:52:13):
thing it is. Whether it works or not is obviously
up to the viewer, but that all the same, they
did it, they restored it, and that's exactly what I
when I subscribe. This is the kind of stuff I
want to watch, whether, like I said, even if I
see it and it's a two and a half star
movie or two star movie or whatever I give it
on letterbox, I think this one was two and a half. Hey,
at the end of it, I still say, well, I'm

(01:52:33):
glad I saw it, So that's that's that's definitely worth something,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
That's how I feel about this as well. Although it was.

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
Interesting because I don't I don't have any like particular
feeling towards Christopher McDonald.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
I wouldn't necessarily say he's like great one way or
the other.

Speaker 6 (01:52:52):
But you know, they they he did find another level here,
and he gives one of his strangest performances, so it's
it's kind of an interesting way of seeing him stretch
a little bit, and there's just enough supernatural or kind
of a culture it's kind of weird stuff going on
in the background as well that I think it's it's

(01:53:12):
an interesting movie. It serves its purpose as a vineger
syndrome release for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. So next up we got
sub labels.

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Yes, yes, sub labels are next. So what what did
you have? What are the ones that you've seen?

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
So I watched Robo Warriors, which is VSA. This is
what VSA number is?

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
This? Actually this is VS fifty six.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Yeah, wow, this is another one again like when people
are like, oh, I wish VVSA would put the I
don't know. I think VSA has a great diverse lineup.
I like that they go to different places. I like
that it's Hong Kong one month. I like that it's
DTV another month. I like that it's you know, some
some regional thing the next month. And this was like,
so this is technically like it's a sequel, only I

(01:54:01):
think in name to Robot Jocks it's the third one
in like a series. So it stars James Remark great
DTV king. But and the story or the characters at
least Stuart Gordon gets a credit for that. It's a
really fun kind of conclusion to that, where like there's
like a space war going on, but this the other

(01:54:24):
planet took over Earth and or whatever this planet is
and it is Earth. Yeah, so this guy who used
to be like one of the best robot fighters kind
of gets called back into action through a kid who
knows who he is and kind of brings him in
and find this robot that could free the planet from

(01:54:46):
this alien race that took over.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
It's just really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Like, I don't know what I like about it is
it plays like a Saturday morning Fox kids show, Like
it's a total Power Rangers rip off through and thro Yeah,
but obviously it does a little bit more of a budget,
so it doesn't feel as cheap as like a TV show.
But though it still feels pretty cheap, but like it
still has a lot of good practical effects and I

(01:55:11):
don't know, it's really fun. I loved seeing that this
was The executive producer was Sirio H. Santiago, which if
you are into VSVSA and exploitation in general, he is
a crucial Filipino exploitation director. So yeah, I just thought
this was a lot of fun, really great kind of

(01:55:32):
the ideal like junk food if you're going to watch
something like this, just real good, just ninety minutes in
and out with a lot of fun, exactly what I
would have rented in like nineteen ninety eight and thought
it was cool as like a thirteen year old, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
So, yeah, they have.

Speaker 6 (01:55:47):
A really interesting relationship with family movies or kids movies
like the ones they found. There's always something kind of
weird and interesting to them, and I think this one
certainly fits like that criteria.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Well agreed, Yeah, totally, and you watch it, I'm assuming, yeah, okay, cool.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
Yeah, No, I liked it too.

Speaker 6 (01:56:07):
I had random memories of this from when I was younger,
seeing this when I was younger, and I think maybe
because I was in Indonesia at the time, I don't know,
but because this was a you know, bigger in Asia
than the US when it came out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
But yeah, I mean it's a fun movie.

Speaker 6 (01:56:23):
It's a very it falls a very It follows a
very like known storyline I guess, and doesn't really have
any bigger surprises, and aesthetically it seems to me like
how I imagine Star Trek plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
I haven't seen a lot of Star Trek episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Uh yeah, it's like if if if it was like
a it's like a junk food version of that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:42):
If you want to think of it more closer, more
closer to the rip off, shows that it kind of spawned. Okay,
kind of like that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Yeah, it's super but again they do a great job transferring.
With the transfer and the features, there's like a feature
I think it's like a feature length making up about
it that the director talks about it. It's really fascinating
to learn how that market of like DTV worked back then,
because it's still something where everybody's getting paid, but they
are also bringing their a game if they can.

Speaker 6 (01:57:08):
You know, Yeah, no, absolutely, The VSL is the only
one I didn't get to.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
Did you buy Chancey Castle of Vivil.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
No, I'll be honest if the it kind of looked too.
It doesn't look as bad as fire Maidens from Outer Space,
but it had that same energy where I'm like, I
think I know that I'm not going to have a
good time, so I skipped it. I could be wrong,
but I, based on judging from a mutual letterboxed, I
didn't see any reason to visit this one personally. I

(01:57:37):
just money was tight, it was a lot of releases
and it just yeah, it didn't really excite me.

Speaker 6 (01:57:43):
Yeah I have it, but the reason I haven't seen
it yet is very similar. I haven't prayed, Oh go ahead, No,
I'll get to it, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Maybe next month we'll talk about it if.

Speaker 6 (01:57:57):
I happen to have seen it by then, which then
the two sub labels that are left are the cinematograph
titles Mixed Blood and Woman Chasing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
So I've seen Mixed Blood. I got lucky before it
even shipped out. I there happened to be a screening
here and I went and checked it out, actually on
the big screen, and it's like, it's Paul Morrissey for
people who don't know it was made in eighty four,
and you know, it's funny. When I started watching, I

(01:58:26):
like Paul Morrissey's stuff. I had a tough time engaging
with it at first, and I think part of it
was because I just come from seeing Weapons. I was
literally on my way home and I just decided out
of the blue to watch I was like, you know what,
there's enough time, I had dinner, I'm gonna go watch
the screening of Mixed Blood. So I got there and
I don't know if it was just fatigue from watching Weapons,

(01:58:47):
because you know that's over two hours long, and I
was like maybe I'm just tired. But there's a scene
because this is a this is a black comedy. This
is like a very explicit black comedy and a great,
by the way, great eighties document, Like in terms of
like nineteen eighties New York, it's terrific. But depending on
other I don't think this is entry level Paul Morrissy
for people, because if you have to kind of know

(01:59:09):
what his style is in terms of how he approaches
his comedy with like fresh Flesh for Frankenstein or anything
like that. But that being said, there's a moment in
this there's this like really fun this like song and
dance number with uh Marillia Perra I think is her name.
I hope I'm saying that right, But that immediately segues

(01:59:30):
into a shootout. All of it was set to well, no,
I was sorry. The shootout itself was set to al Africano.
The song a very famous song, and I just locked
in after that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:39):
And there's an incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Scene also in a shop that is literally dedicated to
just selling Menudo merch It's like the equivalent of like
K pop for this, like because menudo is really big
back then. There's literally just a small storefront that you
could walk through in like twelve steps, but it's all
menudo shirts and pants and stuff, and it's like comically
violent what happens in that moment and there's like people scraping,

(02:00:04):
there's like a chalk outline of a body with like blood.

Speaker 4 (02:00:08):
Still on the chalk out line.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Yeah, it just has this very specific rhythm to it
and if I did eventually sync up with it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:16):
So I really enjoyed it. I think it's absolutely worth catching.
What did you think of it?

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
No, I love that you got there. I loved it.

Speaker 6 (02:00:22):
So there's a guy that's in most of Paul Morrissey
movies called Joe Dela Sandro yep. And he always plays
this kind of dumb but competent lead, like like they
really and it's used for comedy, like it's not necessarily
purely making fun of him. He just kind of comes

(02:00:44):
in as this like American jock type guy that's put
into weird situations. And he interestingly enough, in this movie
he's not in there, but one of the main actors
is a guy named Richard Ulasia. He plays the Sun
Diago and he plays a very similar role.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
I actually thought that while I was watching it. I
was like, oh, this is exactly the same thing. And
you know, he doesn't speak English, is in his first language,
and he you know, when you it's so stilted, you
wonder if it's like a bit And he, from what
I understand, he actually played the role pretty sincerely. He
wasn't trying to, like like, I don't think Morrissey gave
him any notes to play it a certain.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
Way, but so did a losanro.

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
That's that's right exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:01:27):
So that's the interesting thing here is I think they're
just they know, like, Morrissey has a type that he
wants to portray, and I think it comes out here.

Speaker 3 (02:01:37):
And I love his style of comedy. It's just so.

Speaker 6 (02:01:41):
Subtle, No, not subtle is not the right word. It's
just dark and like very sarcastic and just kind of like,
I don't know, it's great. I like his style of
comedy a lot, and so I love mixed Blood.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
And And also this features Linda Carridge for people who
don't know, she was in another VS release. They just
went out of print, but it's called Fade to Black,
a very fun, unique kind of slasher. But the reason
she's well known is she's an Australian actress and model
who became very popular because she looked like Marilyn Monroe.

(02:02:14):
And in Fade to Black, they obviously play that up
given the theme. You see her in like the Marilyn
Monroe costume, but even here when you're watching her, it
has that she has that still has that look, but
because obviously the movie takes place in New York and
there's other like elements at play, she just has her
Australian accent and she's just like a woman caught in
the middle of the romance and everything.

Speaker 4 (02:02:35):
But yeah, she's great in it too.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
I think it's just a really funny like, yeah, it's
just I don't I think we're kind of kind of
repeating myself here, but yeah, it's totally an interesting take
on like like the like I don't even know if
it's like the juvenile delinquent, you know, because that's subgenre
had been dead for a while, but like it's basically
that and like gang war.

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
Stuff, and it's just done in a very unique way.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
I think the only other time I saw something similar
to that was years later when Abel Ferrara did China Girl,
which you know something. But obviously that movie is very
serious and very stylized in a specific way, whereas Mixed
Blood is kind of kind of going for a different
thing with its with its humor.

Speaker 6 (02:03:15):
I think you could it would be tempting to make
a comparison to like a spoof on West Side Story
or something like that, but I don't know. It's not
quite that either, right, But it's it's in that vein
of just like New York, you know, kind of ethnic
or racially charged gangs and then criminal activity.

Speaker 3 (02:03:34):
It goes a little bit deeper into that part.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Mean, yeah, it's good. And I know that Cinematograph has
been putting out a lot of stuff. They're almost putting
out like like sometimes it's one release a month, but
sometimes it's two. But they this is another one in
the you know, if you made a list of yes
and no, like what's good and what's not? They this
added to the yes pile, which is a bigger pile
than the no pile in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (02:03:54):
Perfect segue into women Chaser, which is a strong no
for me, But I obviously I do generally agree with you.
We've been defending Cinematograph a fair amount, and they have
a lot of great releases.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
Women Chaser did not click with me.

Speaker 6 (02:04:08):
It's like a it's like a you know, there was
because the Coen Brothers were so successful, there was a
lot of writers. They were trying to make these kind
of Cohen style comedies where you're you're set up in
a slice of Americana and then it just slowly descends
into chaos throughout the story. Yeah, totally, and it's all
done for comedy. And you know, I can't say that

(02:04:32):
Patrick Warburton was bad in this. I think he's great.
I think he's fine. He I think he's perfectly cast
for the story. But I just I don't I don't
love coin. I love Coen brother movies, but I don't
love the budget cons that I've seen so far, and
this falls into that category for me of like, if

(02:04:52):
I'm gonna watch this, I'd rather just watch a Coen
Brothers movie.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
Sure, Oh that makes sense, I mean, I I so
I have to get to it. I haven't watched this
one yet, but for the most part, you're I think
the first dissenting voice I've heard on it didn't like it.
But that said, there were a few people who at
least I was looking at my mutuals and it's like
a few people really love it, and then there's people
who liked it but like kind of what we were

(02:05:16):
talking about before that three star where it's like it
just kind of made it to the finish line kind
of good.

Speaker 4 (02:05:20):
So it's obviously like I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
Going to watch the black and white version because that's
the original version that was put out, but for people
who don't know, this is also a color version on
the Blu ray. And I do like that he's preserving
because look, nineteen ninety nine best fucking year for movies,
Like it's so like you can't believe what the weekly
schedule was like in terms of how many bangers were
even for like the small stuff, like you know what

(02:05:44):
I mean. So just imagine how many indies got lost
in that shuffle, right, I mean, there were a lot
of indies that broke through, but this didn't. So it's
it's I'm glad it got I'm glad it got some
kind of second life here because I think prior to
this it really nobody was talking about it in any capacity.
So I'm excited to check it out, but your review

(02:06:05):
might keep me from I might watch a couple of
other things before I get around to it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:08):
No, I mean, look, you might love it. It's got
It is another one of these movies.

Speaker 6 (02:06:14):
It fits into that category of the perils of Hollywood
and the struggles of filmmakers and all that. I understand
why people like it, and there are some interesting and
funny bits, but I just i'd rather watch Barton think.
I think it's It's yeah, it's just such a superior film,
and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:06:33):
This one to me just was like, it's like exactly
what you said.

Speaker 6 (02:06:35):
It's like a it's a fine mediocre movie that like,
I just I don't really like those a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
Yeah, hey, fair enough, I don't like mediocre movies either.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
No, I know what you mean. I know exactly what
you're saying by that though, So I just real quick
before we split. I didn't get around to too many
partner releases from that month. It was hard to when
I was trying to pull it up on the page
because there's so many partner releases each month that like,
it was hard to see what was the because they don't.

Speaker 4 (02:07:04):
Have dates on them.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
So I didn't have time to go to Blu Ray Dot,
Common look, but I know that I'm pretty sure Anita
Swedish nymphete was there, which which I liked. I think
Celest will cover that. I think Celest already covered it.
But I did, Uh, I did enjoy it. It's I
think more artifactual that it is interesting, so to speak.

(02:07:26):
And that might have been a July release, but uh,
the one I did watch one of the AGFA they
did like a drug scare release. I'm trying to oh
Drug Arama video Party that I watched Alison acid Land.
That's I've been waiting years to see that, and I
don't think a drug scare film could live up to

(02:07:46):
that title whatsoever. Nonetheless, I did have a good time
with it. I mean it's barely an hour, so unless
it's like painfully bad, something like that will go down
pretty easy. I'm gonna get to Bona and Freeze me
very soon and my crepitas because those seem to be
like for Partner Month stuff. Everyone told me that's like
the absolute bangers. And then obviously when we get to September,

(02:08:09):
I'll talk more about about like Fantasma tapes and a
couple other releases. But yeah, that's uh, that's for partner stuff.
That's the stuff for me.

Speaker 6 (02:08:17):
I love Mi Crepitas, But that's like a that movie
is just that is from the mind of a madman,
like perfect it like it's it is a that is
a singular movie. We're use that word earlier.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
Yeah, I tried to catch it here at screened as
like part of an SOV September thing that this place
called Whammy Analog Media does, and I caught a good
chunk of their SOV. They actually showed bone sickness. So
I went and saw that with a crowd. What a
speaking of fucking what a mind melter.

Speaker 4 (02:08:46):
That was so fun.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
So yeah, but Mi Crepitas is I should watch it
before Halloween's over. I might because it's only like seventy minutes,
so I might just throw that on.

Speaker 6 (02:08:56):
Yeah, it's a you know what it is. Yeah, I
can't wait to hear you talk about it if you
see it. But look, Eli, thank you so much for
doing this again. And uh man I I really I'm
gonna I know, I'm gonna look back at this episode
as a personal favorite because I just this is exactly
what I was trying to do when I when I
started on vacation of just like let's try to bring

(02:09:18):
awareness to these movies, because man, just because they came
out six years ago or whatever, it doesn't mean they're
any less excellent, you know, So.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
Oh totally, I think well, because also you always hear
people talking about like those days of VS, like as
if it was a specific area you had to be there,
And I think that, you know, they released so many titles,
and especially if people are just now subscribing, because they
keep getting new subscribers, so I think it's you're already
inundated with new titles, so it's hard to think of
like what to go back and watch. So generally for myself,

(02:09:46):
because I have a big stack of old stuff I
just kind of find along the way, either through like
third party sellers or like if Orbit gets something used,
or even here because there's a US shop that actually
gets a lot of used VS. So I'll pick up
stuff like if I can find it at the right price,
I'll make it a point. Like that's how I got
Dear Dead de Lilac. Got it just at a record
store here to Miba, and it was like, you know,
twenty bucks, So I was like, all right, now I

(02:10:07):
got it. I can watch it. So generally, as a rule,
when I finish Mainline and a couple of partner things
once or twice a month, I always go back to
these titles, and like I said, I'll save it for
the year end roundup. But one of the titles I
found literally might be my favorite just to tease people,
just to get the just to wet their appetites. It might,
without hyperbole, be vs best Is released their best release

(02:10:28):
in my opinion, like it is. I think it just
became my favorite Vinegarson Derm mainline release ever. So yeah,
and thanks again for another great episode. I was gonna
say thanks for having me on, but we're co hosting now,
so thanks for no this is yeah, yeah, exactly. We
We still gotta figure out a way to sign off

(02:10:49):
on that. One thing I want to say, though, I guess,
just to finish it off is my letter box is
Eli Oldsberg just my full name, Chris.

Speaker 4 (02:10:57):
What's yours?

Speaker 6 (02:11:00):
Personal history of film? I think yeah it is? Yeah,
yeah it is, or just personal history. Maybe it's got
a Mark Roth Goo black and blue painting as the
profile picture if you find it. Yeah, it's just personal history.

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
Yeah, absolutely worth Like I think the reason I say
absolutely worth following us. I think it is worth I
don't know why I was going to say it that way,
but just getting at like, you know, if you want
to see what we think of these movies more in depth,
we usually clock all reviews. Sometimes once in a blue
moon there's just something where I'm just gonna give it
a heart or a star rating if I especially if
I've seen it before. But I think if you want to,

(02:11:36):
if you like what you heard, you can. You can
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our instagram is Punk Underscore Vacation.

Speaker 3 (02:11:47):
Yeah, good question, right, Vacation Underscore Podcasts.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
Oh okay, thank you because I first I just didn't
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