Bible Character - Esther - Quantum Christianity

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
So I sent him an invite which is perfect. Okay, great,
and now I gotta get spreaker going testing one, two, three, yes,
so great. Apologize for the delay. Everyone. We're getting started
here a Bible character study on Esther and Mordecai from

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the Book of Esther in the Bible. So this is
going to be a group discussion style. I'm really looking
forward to what my guest speakers have to share. Let's
actually get served with the word of prayer. Heavenly Father,
thank you for the opportunity to come before your word.

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I pray Father, in the name of Jesus, that Lord
you give us wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of You.
I pray, Holy Spirit, that you grant us understanding in
Jesus' name. Pray Lord for a softening of our hearts
to your Spirit, to your word, Lord, in Jesus' name,

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Thank you, Father for changing our hearts by the word
of God. Thank you Holy Spirit for being in our myths.
We welcome you, Lord, to be in our myths because
we're gathered together in your name in Jesus Name. Praise God.
So hallylujah. I'm so excited. I'm actually realizing I want
to get a little pen and paper for any notes,

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and I also want to share the details of this book.
So for those of you who are listening, I read
a book to prepare for this that's written by Jewish
scholars and it's called Magilla. I'm sure I am butchering
that in my American English. It's from the Artskroll Tana series.

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Let me get the names, okay, so translated and compiled
by Rabbi near Lotowitz, and I'm just going to keep looking.
There's a special introduction or a special dedication I wanted

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to specifically mention. I would like to find, Oh, mayor
Mayor fogel Is, who the book is dedicated to, is
beautiful what they had to say. So this is of
course not the same as Bible versus. So everybody, all

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the all of us speakers on this are of the
view that the Bible is the truth and historically accurate,
and we look to that in a different way than
in the other book that there is. This book by
the Jewish scholars is very helpful for historical contexts, and
I think it's a good idea to treat with respect

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things that people older than me with a lot more
experience and knowledge than I have to say and would
like to share, think worthy of sharing and important to share.
So that's why. Yeah, I agree. So it took time
to read that today and highlight some things. So I'm
hoping to sprinkle things that I read throughout our discussion.

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Let me just I want to make sure I get
basham on here. Let's see here, you can do it, Bashum.

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I'll tell them we can and restart later if he
needs us to, just so we can know where things are. Yes,
I sent you some funny stuff. Oh there he is. Okay,
let's see here. Whoops, Okay, great fashion, testing one too.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Testing lovely.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh, it's so great to have you. How you doing?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Oh lovely? Just excited to be here with y'all and
getting it.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
The Book of Esther What.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
A what a time, a treasure, what appropriate time to
get into this book?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I agree, I was just so so Meg and I
have come into agreement in prayer over this. We're asking
out for wisdom and revelation and the knowledge of God,
wisdom and understanding from the Holy Spirit and softness of heart.
And and I've explained to the listeners about the book

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that I read so that they have context, that we
have something besides the Bible that we're referring to, and
a little bit so they can look up if they
want to, the details of who all these people are,
what they have to say, if they're interested, and so.
So we're pretty much done with the introduction and ready
to get started. Excellent, So how should we do it?

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Should we take turns reading? Or how should we do this?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh? Are we going to read the whole book?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Or are we.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Going to discuss it?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Or just do you have sections that you're I mean,
it's like eleven chapters or so? I think.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, ten mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, well, how long do you think it will take
to read?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's not that less than twenty minutes, I think.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, yeah, why don't we go
ahead and read? Who wants to start?

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Which version of which? Which translation are you guys going with?
So I can?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I am open? I am fine if we go from
translation to translation depending on who's reading. But let's do
it like, make sure we tell each other what verse
we're stopping at or something to that effect.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Okay, okay, okay, cool.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Any volunteers to get started?

Speaker 5 (06:25):
I can. I'm on Okay, I'm in the NASB ninety
five translation.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, so chapter one, verse one, please read as long
as you like.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I will read the chapter. How about that?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay, that sounds good.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Okay. Banquet the banquets of the king. Now, it took
place in the days of Asaras the Oars who range
from India to Ethiopia over one hundred and twenty seven provinces.
In those days, as King Ashuwar sat on his royal throne,

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which was at the citadel in Susa, Susa, in the
third year of his reign, he gave a banquet for
all his princes and attendance, the army officers of Persia
and Medea. I seek that's right, the nobles and the

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princes of the provinces being in his presence, and he
displayed the riches of his royal glory and the splendor
of his great majesty for many days, one hundred and
eighty days. When these days were completed, the king gave
a banquet lasting seven days for all the people who

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were present at the citadel in Susa, from the greatest
to the least. In the court of the garden of
the King's palace. There were hangings of fine white and
violet linen held by cords of fine purple linen on
silver rings and marble columns, and couches of gold and

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silver on a mosaic pavement of pouring pump pomp f.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I don't know, yeah, Porphyry.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Porphyry, thank you, Marble, Mother of Pearl and precious stones.
In this version it says it says couches of gold.
I think it's beds. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It was like reclining couches, like we would maybe call
it a chaise or something like a chaise.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, okay, so couches, bed shades, whatever they were, gold
and silver and mosaic pavement of forgot it again, Porphyry, Porphyry, Marble,
Mother of Pearl and precious stones. Drinks were served in

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golden vessels of various kinds, and the royal wine was
plentiful according to the king's bounty. The drinking was done
according to the law. There was no compulsion for so
the king had given orders to each official of his
household that he should do according to the desires of

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each person. Queen Vashti also gave a banquet for the
women in the palace which belonged to King Ashwaries Queen
Vastie's refusal. On the seventh day, when the heart of
the king was merry with wine, he commanded Mahumin Mahuman,

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Biztha mm hmm, Harbona mm hmmm, big Sa mm hmm a, Batha,
abaka a, Bagsa a Bagsha, Zephar and carcass mm hmm.
The seven eunuchs who served in the presence of King

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Ashueres to bring Queen Vashti before the king with her
royal crown in order just to display her beauty to
the people and the princess, for she was beautiful. But
Queen Vashti refused to come at the King's command delivered
by the eunuchs. Then the kings became Then the king

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became very angry, and his wrath burned within him. Then
the king said to the wise men who understood the times,
for it was the custom of the king so to
speak before all who knew law and justice and were
close to him, Karshena yes, Sheththhar yes, ad Matha yes,

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Tarshish yes, Meares Mares Mares Marsenna yes, and Mamukin mm hmm.
Thank you. The seven princes of Persia, Persia and Medea,
who had access to the king's presence and sat in

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the first place in the kingdom. According to the law,
what is to be done with Queen Vashti because she
did not obey the command of the King Ashawaries delivered
by the eunuchs and the presence of the King and
the princess. Mumukin said, Queen Vashti has wronged not only

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the King, but also all the princes and all the
people who are in all the provinces of King Ashuaries.
For the Queen's conduct will become known to all the women,
causing them to look with contempt on their husbands. By saying,
King Ashawars commanded Queen Vashki to be brought in to

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his presence, but she did not come. This day, the
ladies of Persia and Medea, who have heard of the
Queen's conduct, will speak in the same way to all
the King's princes, and there will be plenty of contempt
and anger. If it pleases the King, let a royal

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edict be issued by him, and let it be written
in the laws of Persian and Medea, so that it
cannot be repealed, that Vashti may no longer coming to
the presence of King Ashawares, and let the King give
her royal position to another who is more worthy than she.

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When the King's edict which he will make is heard
throughout all his kingdom great as it is, then all
women will give honor to their husbands great and small.
This word pleased the king and his princes, and the
king did as Memukan proposed. So he sent letters to

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all the king's provinces, to each province according to its script,
and to every people's according to their language. That every
man should be the master in his own house, and
the one who speaks in the language of his own people.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Okay, So I'm going to tell you guys that this
extra book had of historicals, have had plenty to say,
so you guys want to hear. Shall I go next? Okay? Okay, So,
first of all, I found out that Nebekadnezzar, his son
was Evil Murrow Doc and his grandson was bel Shazar,

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so the bel Shazar from Daniel. And then okay, so,
so these events happened like right before the Book of
Ester starts. So this is what it says. It was
two years before Ahasuerus became king and over four years
before the opening scene of the Book of Esther, So

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Cyrus had been moved by God to give permission and
I think maybe funding to the Jews to rebuild the temple.
Isaiah's prophecy said that Cyrus was supposed to build the
House of God and bring its children back. But Cyrus,

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instead of doing it himself, he gave the Jewish people
an opportunity to do it themselves. Well, he should have
just obeyed the Lord, because that didn't work out. Yeah,
So okay, So like right before Esther opens, this is
like the backdrop. So he gave the order that the
Jews might go home again, and only forty two thousand

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Jews heeded the call, so millions stayed behind. So there's
lots of Jews still there in this foreign kingdom. Okay.
And the historical account here says that the Jewish people
were splintered and confused. Torres's study was experiencing a renaissance
in Babylon, but some of its outstanding sons were asking

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whether they, as a nation driven by its God from
his land, still owed him any more allegiance than a
divorce women driven from the home of her husband, or
a freed slave sent from the home of his master.
I know it says a shocking question, one that can
only be understood as more one more saddening indication of

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the mini vales behind which the divine countenance was hidden.
Then it says that Cyrus moved his royal capital to
Shushan in the land of Elam, and with him went
Mordecai and Daniel. So Mordecai and Daniel from the Book
of Daniel were alive at the same time, and they
were both under King Cyrus, and they went with him

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to Elam when he relocated there. But they weren't able
to teach the Torah as they had and as their
peers were still doing in Babylon. Okay, So Elam, it says,
the seat of royal power, the source of Jewish hope,
was barren of the Torah. Okay. Now, in the last

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months of his Cyrus had a change of heart. When
he didn't do it himself, he became open to like
he became double minded back and forth. So he forbade
additional Jews to cross the river to the land of Israel.
And so the rebuilding wasn't outlaw, but hindered in two

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So this was months after he did that, he lost
his kingship. Dun dun dun dun, I know. Okay, so
two years after he ordered the rebuilding of the temple,
Ahasueres was king, so he held on to it for a
little bit, but then once he let it go, God

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found somebody else to take his place. Okay. So it
says that the sages make it very clear that Hasweers
was thoroughly evil. Now this is very interesting detail. Vashti
was a granddaughter of Nebukanezzar. Belshazzar was a grandson. Vashti

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was a granddaughter everybody but Vashti was killed and Nebukanezzar
married her instead of killing her. And she did what
she did with the place she was given, is she
nagged a Ha Suares to prevent and outlaw the Jews

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from rebuilding the temple. That's what she did with the
mercy that was granted to her. And so that was
so this the historic I know, the historical book points
out that that was what led to her demise, like.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Which note to have because I know, just like what
did she do?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like, oh, it gets better, it gets more detailed even
than this. Yeah, so she she insisted swears put an
end to the Holy test begun by Cyrus. And okay,
let's see. So then the I do want to go

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back to that. Actually, so there was basically I want
to mention one little detail before I move on too much.
That there was the sons of Haman were prominent and
accused the Jewish people of building the temple as a
prelude to rebellion, and so Ahasueris accepted the queen's advice

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and he ordered an end to the work. So okay,
so now let's see. So so another thing that it
talks about is uh prophetic words. But maybe I'll get
to it's too interesting, you guys, it's too interesting, Okay.
So basically, these pagan kings at the time were a

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lot more sober about the prophets than we the jew
The Jewish prophets then we have been made aware of,
at least that I was ever made aware of. Like,
they took the prophets of God seriously in terms of
the prophetic words that they gave that named specific times

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and specific things that God would do. And they okay,
let me just read it, Okay, Jeremiah's prophecy about seventy
years hung like a sword over the heads of absolute monarchs.
To them, the temple was more than a building, representative
philosophy of life dramatically opposed to theirs. Okay, and so

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it says that when Hayman sought to persuade huswars the
Jews could be exterminated with impunity. The king said, I'm
afraid their God will do to me what he did
to my predecessors. Hayman answered, the Jews are sleeping because
they no longer perform midst us. I don't know what
that means, probably some type of worship and obedience to

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Lolord as they once did. They do not merit heavenly intercession.
The historical account says Hayman and Ahaswera saw more clearly
than the Jews that the darkness was not imposed from
on high. It was a reflection of Jewish attitudes below.
Isn't that something I know? I know? Okay, let me

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keep going. It says, as long as the prophecy was pending,
kings avoided gross acts of disrespect toward God lest they
provoked his anger. They lived in fear, but they also
lived with hope, the hope that the destruction of the
temple marked the end of God's ascendancy, or that Jewish
lethargy allowed the bonds between them and God to slip apart.

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Belshaz Our, grandson of its successor to Nebuchadnezzar, watched the
days go by with trepidation as the end of the
year's number seventy grew closer. Jeremiah's prophecy was well known
and respected. Then, okay, so let me go down, bel Shazar.

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He calculated falsely, so he had his own ideas of
when the seventy years should start from. So he miscalculated,
and he okay, let me just read it. Okay, belle.
Shazzar saw them months go by until he entered the
third year of his reign. The seventy years were over.

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In his head, he rejoiced, but he was not content
to be merely joyous. He showed his contempt of God,
whose power he no longer feared. He prepared wild, orgiastic
feasts that became legendary in the literature of excess. He
did something even his brazen grandfather didn't dare to do.
He took out the sacred vessels of the temple and
used them in his wild, drunken revelry, and why not

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quote unquote Jeremiah was wrong quote unquote. Babylon survived the
deadline Jujuusalem not going to be rebuilt. But he was wrong,
and by morning he was dead.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I know.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh okay. Belshazzar's audacity brutally punished that very night, as
he was murdered by Darius the Mead and his son
in law, Cyrus the Persian. Darius offered the throne to Cyrus,
but the younger man demurred because Daniel had prophesied that
the kingdom of Babylon would pass first to Media and

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then to Persia. And so this other guy. He kept
an eye on the calendar too, When would the seventy
years be over? Bel Shazar had blundered, and ah Swears
was determined to do better. He calculated too, He did
a little mental math, and he figured the seventy years

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ended with the third year of his reign. He celebrated,
that's what That was one of the occasions for this
one hundred and eighty day feast, I know. And so
he took it as a symbol of his newfound security
from Jeremiah's prophecy, and he also fane the sacred vessels
of the temple. His calculation too was wrong, and it

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goes into Okay, so i'll tell you. I'll tell you
the historical account goes through the years. So thirty three
eighteen bc Nebuicanezer assumes thrown of Babylon. Thirty three nineteen,
he conquers the King of Judah Judea Judea and Jewish
land becomes part of Babylon. Thirty three twenty seven he

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exiles the King of Judea along with scholars. Okay, this
is the start of the seventy years. Thirty three thirty
eight b c Nebukanezzer destroys the temple and exiles the
Jewish nation, and that's when it starts. And then thirty
four oh eight Darius orders the construction of the temple

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begins again. It's seventy years, isn't that something? Yeah, it
goes through a bunch of other details in the middle,
But for time's sake, I won't get into all that.
But there are some Christians that I have heard claim
that God didn't fulfill that seventy years within the specified
time frame, because they say that the people had to

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claim and pray in the prophetic word. And it's not
that we do need to pray. We do need to pray,
But I found it really powerful that God made plain
that he did exactly what he said he would do. Yeah, yeah,
so that was really cool. Okay, so let me go okay,
So now, okay, that's that's a little bit too much,

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so let me go to Oh. It gave one example
of the prophet Jonah. Okay, listen to this, Jonah, the
prophet prophesied that none of us shall be overturned. That
was that was the actual literal language of the prophetic
word God gave to Jonah. And Jonah thought he was

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foretelling destruction like Sodom and Gomorrah overturned. When the population
repented and was spared, Jonah figured he would be branded
a false prophet. But the true meaning of the prophecy
was that Nineveh was indeed overturned in the moral, ethical,
and religious sense. It contained both the opportunity. Without repentance,

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it would be literally overturned and destroyed. With repentance, it
would be spiritually overturned and saved. Isn't that something to hear?
What some Jewish scholars think of prophecy.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So another one is that the disparity in the four
hundred years that I think it was four hundred Yeah,
four hundred years of slavery. Okay, so this is how exile. Okay. Anyway,

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when did the four hundred years begin? Not until the
Jews were freed exactly four hundred years after the birth
of Isaac. Was it clear that God in his mercy
dated the four hundred years from the birth of Isaac
rather than from some later date. Until then, no one
could say the first seventy five years of Isaac's life

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that he spent with his father Abraham would be considered
part of the exile. The exalted status of Abraham was
such that even the idolators of Canaan didn't consider him
an alien and a strange land. But this is not
according to perceptions of people. This is according to the
word of the Lord, right, and so it was really good.

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There's also a little powerful section on mercy, because this
pertains to the story here in Esther that we're reading.
It says mercy is a Jewish trait. Sage's questioned the
Jewish ancestry of a cruel person. There is sometimes mistaken

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just misunderstood mercy is nothing more than a euphemism for cruelty.
The quote unquote kind mother who indulges her child's insatiable
sweet toooth hardly deserves anyone's sympathy when she cries at
the sound of the drill and her child screams in
the dentist's chair. She put the child there. On the
other hand, the quote unquote cruel mother who supervises her

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child's eating habits earns temporary resentment when she snatches away
gob upon gob of carbohydrates, but she will get a
lifetime of gratitude for having raised a healthy child. So basically,
this Hayman, that's the bad guy in the book of Esther.
He is a descendant of a man Amelek, which King

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Saul refused to kill. He killed everybody but the king,
and that's who Hayman descended from. It says, Saul substituted
his own concept of mercy for gods. And get this,
I know here's another example of actual mercy. When David's

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son Abslom rebelled and drove his father from Jerusalem, he
was pelted with stones and bitter curses by shim ben Gera,
a prophet, a teacher of his son Solomon, and an
unreconciled member of Saul's family. This guy was a rebel
against the person of the king. For behaving that way,

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he could have been executed, and one of David's loyal
followers in particular begged King David to let him kill
the guy, but King David refused. His compassion did not
desert him, and this guy lived and survived, and he
had descendants thanks to David's mercy, and one of them
was Mordecai. I know the difference between just carnal ideas

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of what's what and actual, well godly character. Yeah it
was so good, so okay, so okay, so let me
so now this talks about oh this was good too.
Belief is not based on miracles. Belief must feed on
deeper roots. Miracles can be rationalized, explained away, or misinterpreted.

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Reliance on miracles undue emphasis on miracles can actually dilute belief.
The non believer will always find basis for doubt and
blasphemy down through the ages. God does not drill faith
into our minds and hearts. He places us and expects
us to find our way to the truth because he

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has given us enough tools to find the truth if
we really want to find it. I know, I know,
it is so good.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
So basically the Jews attended this feast of King Ahasuerus
and Mordecai kept urging the Jews not to go. So
it was not so much that they ate at it.
The literal original language makes it clear that the issue
was that they enjoyed it. They were into it.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, okay, because in this first chapter it says that
even they're all invited in whatever, but they gave that.
He gave the order that each king by his own
I can't find where it is. It's actually, yeah, So
for the king has given orders to each official of

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his household that he should do according to the desires
of each person.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yep, yep, absolutely absolutely so. The original language where it
talks about when King ahasueries sat on his throne, the
original language makes it clear it's talking about sitting securely,
so that this was at a point when he was
a state ablished, and so there was a few reasons

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he was rejoicing and feasting because he imagined himself to
have passed the seventy years when he hadn't. He was
considering himself secure in his reign, and he had just
married Vashti, King Nebukanezer's granddaughter. And okay, so this is
the deal with the Persians and the Meeds. Apparently they

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made a stipulation with one another. They had this like agreement,
if we supply the kings, you will supply the governors.
If you supply the kings, we will supply the governors.
So they like worked as a team to stay in power.
If that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, so Ahasueres was a Persian. Therefore,

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Persia's mentioned first when Darius takes power in I think
the Book of Daniel, it mentions the needs First's a
little like detail. Okay, so this a displaying of treasures
King Ahasueris did I found out that Nebeknezzar had one

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thousand and eighty one zero eight zero one thousand and
eighty different treasures he buried in the river bed at
the river Euphrates. No kidding, he was, He was just
so weirded out he buried buried these treasures in the
river bed. So God revealed to Cyrus, who he instructed

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to rebuild the temple where this stuff was buried. Nice,
but obviously, when Cyrus didn't fulfill what God told him,
then Ahasueris got the one thousand and eighty.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
So what he.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Did is during this time, it says the mid Rash,
it's a type of work historical Jewish study, scholarly work.
It talks about how he showed them six treasures a
day as symbolically, and that took one hundred and eighty
days to do. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Yeah, because it's one hundred and eighty that's mentioned. Yeah,
I've displayed the riches of the royal glory in the.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Then listen to this, the hangings of white in the magilla,
the c h ees is enlarged to employ to imply.
So on the seventh day, Aha Sueres adorned himself with
the eight garments of the high priest. Okay, so he

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was like going hardcore in defiance. And apparently after this
he not only Vashti's death not only different embarrassment, but
also apparently more than one historical record I have seen
reference he dealt with major depression. So he really opened

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the door to the enemy, obviously acting behaving himself like that.
So okay, so here's the deal with the drinking Okay,
the Rabbi Levi says, the tradition among the inhabitants of
Persia was each individual was forced to drink from a
large cup containing twenty two something of wine, which is

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over two quarts. It made no difference to these people
whether an individual died or lost his sanity consuming this
amount of liquor. Ahasuers decided to have the huge goblets
of this particular type of drinking vessel on his table
so his guests wouldn't think he was stingy, but no

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one was forced to drink from it, So it was
the drinking was according to the law. The cup was there,
but without coercion, and so no one was coerced into
finishing his drink in order to make the cup available
to someone else. Okay, now listen to this about Vashti

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because dun dun dun dun she used to so when
when it says that she would appear before the people
with her royal crown, it means only her royal crown, right.
So to get this, Vashdi used to take the daughters
of Israel, strip them of their clothing and make them

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work on the Sabbath. And that's why on the Sabbath
the seventh day, it was put. It came into the
king's heart to have her appear in public naked, and
when she refused, it brought about her death. I know,
talk about sewing and reaping, isn't that intense.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
She was the daughter of the king of Babylon, so
she was Babylonian.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
She was the deposed king's granddaughter, so so neb Canzar.
She was his granddaughter, just like bel Shazar was his grandson.
So she was I don't know, probably a cousin or
something to bel Shazar. And when he was killed and
all the rest of Nebukadnezzar's descendants, all the rest of

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the royal family was killed except for Vashti and.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
The Queen of Babylon.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, she was made the queen of you know, Babylon
by being a Hasueres's wife. But it certainly didn't last long.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
She messed that up. Good.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, that her harvest came from that stuff she did
to those uh Jewish women on the Sabbath. Okay, keeping
on moving, so listen to this. Beginning with the first
day of the king's banquet, Mordecai and the Sanhedrin fasted
and prayed for six days that the Jews would not

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be destroyed, and on the seventh day, God responded to
their prayers. And Vashti, the remaining person of that family
line that had that that had taken up the cause
to have the tempt to stop the temple from being rebuilt.
Now she also was eliminated out of the way on

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the seventh day. Yeah so, oh yeah. It makes the
point that she did not refuse because of her modesty.
You might have to be a woman to understand that one.
But if you do, you do, Okay, let's see. Uh so,
so the king referred to her as Queen Vashti, and

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what was wanting her to be wanting to know what
should be done to her according to the law. And
he was consulting thee the people who were expert in
the law, because he wanted to handle it according to

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the law what she had done. So get this menu
Can in according to this book, let me see where
it is. Let me see where it is because it
named the source of this it was menu Can. A
Tana taught memu Can is Hayman. He was called memu

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Can because he was does this destined for destruction? Rob
Kana said, from here we see, and Ignoramus always thrust
himself to the forefront. So Ahashweers was only concerned about
treating Vashti according to the law. But this menu Can
who's listed last. The reason and why they put his

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name last in verse fourteen because he was the least
of all these advisors and a least expert in these
legal matters. But he put himself forward to give his opinion.
And he was apparently, if these Jewish scholars are correct,
this was Hayman and he was getting was Hayman memu

(40:24):
Can a different like another name for the same person.
And I know, I know, that was so interesting to me,
and so okay. So first he consulted the wise men,
and the Talmud says that this was rabbis who knew

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the times. They knew how to calculate the timing of
leap years and fix new moons, and he was seeking impartial,
trusted counsel. Turned first to the Jewish stages, asked them,
they thought, if we condemned the queen to death, we'll
suffer as soon as he become sober. And here's what
was our advice that she was executed on If we
advise clemency and advise him to pardon her. He'll accuse

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us of not paying due reverence to his majesty. So
they decided they wanted a position of neutrality. So they
told him some something about how since the temple was
destroyed and were exiled, we lost the powers and give
judgment in capital cases. Better seek counsel with the wise
men of Ammon and Moab. So that's why he asked

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those seven names that we see there, That's why he
asked them. And then it says such was the king's procedure.
The king did not pass judgment because legally, back then,
at the time of the events that you read just
their code name. It says, legally king could not have

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sole jurisdiction over a serious offense. Rather, he was to
seek counsel from those who knew law and judgment. Ahasueres
was yeah, okay. So then so then another reason why
he was called memu Ken, it says, is because it's
a blemish is here, and the blemish is his discourtesy

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in speaking out of turn. And so one of the
things is when it says if it pleases the king,
which is kind of like a weird thing to say, like,
obviously the king should do what he thinks is right,
Like it's kind of like overly flattery basically and absolutely.

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So then he says, let there go forth a royal
edict from him. So what he's saying is, abolish the
requirement to consult learned men for advice prior to making
an important decision. Instead, it's not necessary for you to
discuss your judgment with others. And so when Hayman put

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this into place in this situation, it was available for
the king to use when it came time for Hayman's
sentence and execution when he fell on Esther later in
the later in the story, isn't that something once again
his own Yes, yes, his own against the cleverness of

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what he thought he was gonna do. Yeah, so this
get this, I know, I know when he said that
Vashti will never again appear, he was trying to make
sure that Ahasueris would not reconsider and pardon Vashti because
he knew how impetuous he was.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Yeah. Yeah, and that guy seems to just do whatever
at any time.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, so he wanted it to the decree to be irrevocable,
and okay, So that basically, this is what the historical
accounts talk about. So they basically said, this is a
guy named Roba said that. What happened is people said,
what did he mean, meaning, King hasqueres, What does our

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king mean by sending us word that every man should
rule in his own home? Of course he should. So
the commentaries, it says, explained that upon reading this first decree,
everyone saw how foolish the king was, so that later
when they read his second decree through Hayman about exterminating
the Jews, they were afraid that he issued that while intoxicated,

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and he would change his mind and reverse it the
next morning. So if it hadn't been for the foolishness
of this first thing that Hayman did against Vashti, it
would have it would have like it would have. It
just set in motion, It set in place what was
needed to give people hesitancy when it came to Yeah,

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isn't that interesting.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
That's another example of when people talk about, oh, this
guy's playing five D chess and you guys just don't
understand when God is doing something that hasn't you We
don't have words for mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yes, Yes, that was a pretty cutthroat political situation with
a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Of scheming and conniving.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Yes, yes, the spirit and the irony is that God
the only spirit has never mentioned once.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
No directly, Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, you're absolutely right,
not actually directly, Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Okay, so cool, So let's talk about go ahead.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
I noticed that too, and I think that's a big thing,
that of faith and just yeah, how even if yeah,
it'll come more in what we're reading.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, very cool. Okay, so maybe i'll
read the next chapter in Bashim. You can get chapter three, Okay,
all right, here I go after these things. When the
anger of King Ahasuerus had subsided, he remembered Vashti, what
she had done and what had been decreed against her.

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Then the king's attendants who served him said, let beautiful
young virgins be sought for the king. Let the king
appoint overseers and all the provinces of his kingdom, that
they may gather every beautiful young version to the citadel
of Susa, to the Harem into the custody of hey guy,
the King's eunuch, who is in charge of the women,
and let their cosmetics be given them. Then let the

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young lady who pleases the king be queen in place
of Vashdi. And the matter pleased the king, and he
did accordingly. Now there was at the citadel in Susa
a Jew whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair,
the son of Semai, the son of Kish of Benjamin,
who had been taken into exile from Jerusalem with the
captives who had been exiled with Jaconiah, the King of Judah,

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whom Nebucannezer, the King of Babylon, had exiled. He was
bringing up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter, for
she had no father or mother. Now, the young lady
was beautiful of form and face, and when her father
and mother died, Mordecai took her as his own daughter.
So it came about when the command and decree of
the king were heard and many young ladies were gathered

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to the citadel of Susa into the custody of Hegei.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
That.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Esther was taken to the King's palace into the custody
of Hegei, who was in charge of the women. Now,
the young lady pleased him and found favor with him,
so he quickly provided her with her cosmetics and food,
gave her seven choice maids from the King's palace, and
transferred her and her maids to the best place in
the harem. Esther did not make her people or her

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kindred known, for Mordechai instructed her that she should not
make them known. Every day Mordecai walked back and forth
in front of the court of the harem to learn
how Esther was and how she fared. Now when the
turn of each young lady came to go in to
king asweres after the end of her twelve months under
the regulations for women for the days of their beautification

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were completed as follows, six months with oil of myrrh,
and six months with spices and the cosmetics for women,
the young lady would go into the king. In this way,
anything that she desired was given her to take with
her from the harem to the king's palace. In the
evening she would go in. In the morning, she would return
to the second harem to the custody of Shashgaz. Shashgaz,

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the king's eunuch, who was in charge of the concubines.
She would not go in again to the king unless
the King delighted in her, and she was summoned by name. Now,
when the turn of est the daughter of aba Hail,
the uncle of Mordecai, who had taken her as his daughter,
came to go into the kings, she did not request
anything except what hey Gui, the king's eunuch, who was

(49:04):
in charge of the women, advised, and Esther found favor
in the eyes of all who saw her. So Esther
was taken to King Ahaswares to his royal palace in
the tenth month, which is the month Tibeth, in the
seventh year of his reign. The king loved Esther more
than all the women, and she found favor and kindness
with him more than all the virgins. So they set

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the royal crown on her head and made her queen
instead of Ashti. Then the king gave a great banquet,
Esther's banquet for all his princes and his servants. He
also made a holiday for the provinces and gave gifts
according to the king's bounty. When the virgins were gathered
together the second time, then Mordechai was sitting at the
king's gate. Esther had not yet made known her kindred

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or her people even as Mordecai had commanded her. For
Esther did what Mordechai told her, even as she had
done when under his care, as she had done when
under his care in those days, while Mordecai was sitting
at the king's gate, Big Fan and Tarish, two of
the king's officials from those who guarded the door, became
angry and sought to lay hands on King Ahasuers. But

(50:11):
the plot became known to Mordecai, and he told Queen Esther,
and Esther informed the King in Mordecai's name. Now, when
the plot was investigated and found to be so, they
were both hanged on a gallows and it was written
in the book of the Chronicles in the king's presence.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Thank you, Mordecai.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, yeah, very cool. So a few quick things. I
won't take time for that. I want to make sure.
When I was a kid in Sunday school, they passed
out flash cards that showed Esther framping in front of
a handheld mirror like something out of the Victorian era,

(50:54):
so and announcing on the flash cards that she was
preparing herself to trapes on over to the castle and
see if she would win the beauty contest. So just
want to be clear for everyone that the original language
makes it clear that she was taken, she was human trafficked,
she was abducted, she was forcibly taken against her will.
And also I want to mention the nonsense. I don't

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usually like to expose my brothers and sisters in Christ,
but I am outraged, and I am going to say
this thing outright. The one night of a king, one
night with a king, whatever it is that's supposedly the
story of Esther, when that modey looking king says burn
the sheets because he allegedly did not have sex and
with this Esther because supposedly because of her virtue, this

(51:42):
was absolutely completely false. Esther was in a do or
die situation, she was human trafficked, and she did it
rather than die. And so everything about this book that
we're reading, everything that you're hearing God did through her,
I just want everybody to know and unders stand and
have a chance to believe that this is available right here,

(52:06):
right now today for everyone. When you have been put
in do or die situations and you feel guilty, condemned, ashamed,
anything negative, embarrassed, anything not even necessarily die, but you
know that feeling of I don't know how to survive
if I don't do what this person is demanding of me.
I know that they're demanding it of me. Just I

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want you to know that that is the situation that
she was in, and that she did what she had
to do to not be killed, and God delivered her
nation through her. She is in the record books of
Heaven and Earth. And just have great courage and hope
in your heart about what God can do with your
life as you seek and obey him.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
I am so glad you pointed that out, and I
think it's very cool.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Impt thank you, Okay, cool. So I want to mention
the seven Attendants. This is what I found out. Because
she was hiding her Jewish identity. What happened is she
would rotate them so that the same one would always
be serving her on a given day. So the one

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that helped her on the Sabbath always saw her not working,
and the ones that saw her during the week didn't
help her on the Sabbath and didn't know that on
the Sabbath she didn't work. So she figured out like
a little practical way to sort of disguise one of
the major tells that she would have had about being Jewish.

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Isn't that interesting.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Because, like you said, she was in a do or
die situation.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, yeah, definitely. Yeah. And I also found
out Mordecai. When it says that he would walk, it
would the actual term is talk about or strolled through
around the court of the Harem. So he wasn't making
it obvious that he was interested in esther. In fact,

(54:08):
it says he would answer ritual questions. Mid Rash is
the source for that. But when he would inquire about
her well being, so he made it not personal, but
made it I don't know how to say it well anyway.
He also had to do practical things. Yeah, yeah, and

(54:30):
this is what I found out about the twelve month period.
It was to make sure none of the girls were diseased.
It wasn't just beauty rituals. They were making sure that
anything that was a problem would come to the light.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Oh and this is what else I found out about
us for keeping her people a secret. Look what God
did it, says Rev. Eliezar said, everyone claimed her as
a member of his own people. That's what God did
for her, So no self seeking opportunists who could divulge
her secret to the king, because they wouldn't have been

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believed because every nation was claiming her for their own.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Oh wow, I know, isn't that amazing?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Just wow?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah? So anyway, Bosham, do you want to go with
chapter three?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Yeaht me grab it. I'm reading New King James. Is
that okay?

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Sounds great.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Okay, New King James just flows really well. I find that.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Let me say go to it, James.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh, I just found out that as a member of
the Sanhedra and Mordecai new seventy languages. Wow, I know,
I was like, I don't even know how to wrap
my mind around that. Yet I've been impressed with a
device that can translate into seventy language, as by American

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coming out there, I think.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
No Amen's plot to destroy the Jews. After these events,
King Xercees honored Hayman, son of Hamadefa the Agagite, elevating
him and giving him a seat of honor hiring higher than.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
That of all the other nobles.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
All the royal officials of the King's gate knelt down
and paid honor to Haymen, for the King had commanded
this concerning him, but Mordechai would not kneel down or
pay him honor.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Then the royal.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Officials at the king's gate asked Mordechai, why do you
disobey the King's command? After day they spoke to him,
but he refused to comply. Therefore, they told Hayman about
it to see whether Mordechai's behavior would be tolerated, for
he had told them he was a Jew. While Hayman
saw that Mordechai would not kneel down or pay him honor.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
He was enraged.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yet, having learned who Mordechai's people were, he scored and
the idea to the only Mordechai. Instead, Hayman looked for
a way to destroy all Mortechaized people the Jews throughout
the whole of its Dessercees. In the twelfth year of
King Ercees, in the first month, the first of Nissan,
they cast the purr, that is the lot in the

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presence of Hayman to select the day and month, and
the lot fell on the twelfth month, the month of Adar.
Then Haymen said to King erces there is a certain
people dispersed and scattered among the peoples in all the
provinces of your kingdom whose customs are different than those
of all other people, and who did not obey the

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King's laws. It is not in the King's best interest
to tolerate them. If it pleases the King, let a
decree be issued to destroy them, and I will put
ten thousand talents of silver into the royal treasury for
the men who carry out this business. So the King
took his signet ring from finger and gave it to Haman,

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the son of Hamadetha, the Aggagite, the enemy of the Jews.
Keep the money, the kings said to Hamen, and do
with the people as you please. Then, on the thirteenth
day of the first month, the royal secretaries were summoned.
They wrote out, in the script of each province and
in the language of each people, all Hayman's orders to
the King, satraps, the governors of the various provinces, and

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the nobles of the various peoples. These were written in
the name of King's erces himself and sealed with his
own ring. Dispatches were sent by couriers to all the
king's provinces with the order to destroy, kill, and annihilate
all the Jews, young and old women and little children
on a single day, the thirteenth day of the twelfth month,

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the month of Adar, and to plunder their goods. A
copy of the text of the edict was to be
issued as law in every province and made known to
the people of every nationalities that would be ready for that.
Spurred on by the king command, the couriers went out
and edict was issued. In the citadel of Susa. The

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king and Haman Haymen sat down to drink, but the
city of Susa was bewildered.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
That is so good. So there's some different little details
I found out here. I found out Hayman claimed, Oh,
I wanted to mention. Xerxes is another name for us
s wares for people who are listening. You can think
of it like sometimes a person has a nickname in
their family to shorten their name. Sometimes a person has

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a nickname at school for sports achievements, accomplishments, or some
other quirk there. Sometimes a person has a nickname at
work for some particular type of task or some particular
victory in the workplace, or something like that. So you
can maybe relate to the multiple names a little bit
with that, Okay, Hayman claimed divine powers for himself. That's

(01:00:01):
why Mordecai didn't bow or prostrate himself. And Haman also
put an image of an idol on his clothes. I mean,
he was so demonically inspired, but basically so that people
would be worshiping an idol when they bowed down to
him as well. And so the original text bow and

(01:00:22):
prostrate only appears together in scripture when it's referring to
obedience to God, and so when it says he wouldn't
bow down or prostrate himself, it meant that that's what
it meant. And so even though he probably did it,
the historical records says he probably did acknowledge Hayman in

(01:00:42):
some form, but it didn't suffice for Hayman's vanity then, Okay.
So after Haman formulated the decree to annihilate the Jews
and Mordecai found out about it the next time they
meant the next time they met, Mordechai didn't stand up
or stir before him. So this time instead of just

(01:01:05):
the Jewish instead of the whole Jewish nation, now Haman's
after Mordecai specifically, So that's coming up, okay. So basically
Hayman had said where it says for so had the
king commanded. Basically, the king had to give a special
command for the benefit of Haman. And this is strange,

(01:01:26):
and it indicates reluctance on the part of the king's
subjects to to do this to Haman and necessitated this
special order from the king. And so Hayman mad tried
to make it obvious that Mordecai was disobeying a royal
decree by what he arranged, so that he would, you know,

(01:01:46):
it'll be like a so called felony kind of thing.
And and and the historical account also mentions the future
tense of the verb uh signifies a decision not to
bow under any circumstances, rather than a decision take taken
for a particular occasion. And I won't take time for that.

(01:02:09):
So others say that the other subjects hated Hayman's demeaning
behavior and they also did want to bow down to him,
so they were trying to use Mordecai as a test
case to see if because they didn't want to bow either.
So that was kind of interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
So, yeah, you're going to do this, Let's see what
happens to you first, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah, I'll So this is really interesting where it talks
about the lots being cast, so it was cast not
by him, but before Hayman. So it was explaining that
Hayman would always cast lots to determine his course of action.

(01:02:58):
He wanted to take revenge the Jews immediately, so he
cast lots for the very next day, and that didn't
turn up the way he wanted. So he literally cast
lots for every day and month until the thirteenth of
ad R, which obviously gave it the book text here,
not the Bible text, but the historical accounts. It was
like almost a year that they had to get this

(01:03:22):
figured out. So the lot was prepared before Hayman rather
than for the Jews, and so this would obviously result
in his destruction because Hayman couldn't have drawn lots to
determine Israel's quote unquote unlucky day. The fate of the
Jews is not governed by luck or constellations, so when

(01:03:44):
he was casting the lot, having the lots cast before him,
it was to determine when his own luck or opportunity
would be best. And so before Hayman specifically so basically,
one of the things that I was realizing when I
was pondering on this is that in the spirit realm,
it's more about windows of opportunity, and what we have

(01:04:09):
sown our own life choices contribute heavily to what comes
through in those windows of opportunity. And so when he
was casting these lots, in his imagination it was for
his lucky day, but really the lots were being cast
to find out what is a window of opportunity for

(01:04:30):
him personally, and what was coming up was this date
which would be his actual downfall. It was all in
his imagination that it was for luck, for good luck.
It was just actually opportunity, a window of opportunity in
the spirit realm that showed up in the I don't
really know. Don't even try to ask me about casting lots.

(01:04:51):
I'm not interested in that. But yeah, I thought that
was so interesting that. Yeah, I thought that was so
interesting because I think a lot of times people treat
timing and things that appear maybe unexpectedly to some are
like either it's already determined to be good or bad.

(01:05:13):
Kind of thing like good luck or bad luck. I
think is a pretty common concept. And I was seeing Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like fate predetermines, but actually our own life choices have
something to do with what unfolds during windows of opportunity
for our lives.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Yeah, and God's hand is just all over this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah, so real quick about the ten thousand talents. Listen
to this. When the adult woush men came out of
the exodus, they gave shekels, so the shekels were already
used by the Lord in things that were righteous. And

(01:05:58):
get this there they figured out that a copyist aired
in transcribing tosaphos whatever that is, and it's not it
was not half shekel, but fifty sheke limb So fifty
shekel valuation ascribed to an adult male. Six hundred thousand

(01:06:21):
of them came to thirty million SHEKELMB, exactly equal to
ten thousand silver talents. Isn't that something? Ten thousand silver
talents was already banked in heaven before the Lord, by
the men, by the Jewish Men after their exodus out

(01:06:41):
of Egypt, to counterweight this bribe. Isn't that something? I
was like, what has happened?

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Glad you read that book because it's it's neat to
get all these Yeah, yeah, little just whoever. That book
is great. I'm glad you're read it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah. Thanks, Oh thanks, This was one last detail I
need to make sure I mentioned this. Okay. There are
several reasons for the strange haste in publishing a decree
that would not be executed for eleven months. Hayman was
afraid the fickle king would have a change of heart,
and God desired to lapse to give the children of

(01:07:26):
Israel a chance to repent. Listen to this. When the
king and Hayman sat down to drink, that is because
Haman intended to intoxicate the king out of fear that
the king would reconsider the edict before the couriers were
securely on their way.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
No doubt that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeahs So the people who were in the city of Susa,
where it says the Bewilderment, the people were trying to
differentiate between cries of joy, cries of anguish, and shout
of joy. If a Jew went out to the market
to shop, a Persian would taunt them and say, tomorrow
I'm going to kill you and plunder your property. This

(01:08:09):
is from the Midrash. Okay. So scarcely had the edict
been pro mulgated against the Jews. When all sorts of misfortunes,
as they're termed in this book began to happen to
Persians in the city. Women hanging out their wash to
dry on the roofs of houses fell to their death.

(01:08:31):
Men going to draw water fell into the wells and
were drowned. While while this is going on in the
palace and Hayman's trying to get a haswears drunk so
the king won't change his mind, the spiritual consequences of
this action are already hitting the people in Susa. I know.

(01:08:54):
I was like, what is happening.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
That's amazing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, anyway, make you want to do chapter four?

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Yeah? Yeah, sorry, okay four, I'm going to stick with
the nas.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, please do sure, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
When Mordecai learned all that had been done, he tore
his clothes, put on sackcloth and ashes, and went out
into the midst of the city and wailed loudly and bitterly.
He went as far as the King's gate, for no
one was to enter the King's gate clothed in sackcloth.

(01:09:35):
In each and every province where the command and decree
of the kings came, there were great mourning. There was
great mourning among the Jews, with fasting, weeping and wailing,
and many lay in sackcloth and ashes. Then Esther's maidens
and her eunuchs came and told her and the queen

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rises in great anguish. And she sent garments to clothe
Mordecai that he might remove his sackcloth from him, but
he did not accept them. Then Esther's summon hat tack hattach.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
M hey okay, give me a moment here, give me
a second, because it's another name for Daniel. I found
out Hafak Gothic.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Thank you, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Then then Esther summoned Hafok from the king's eunuchs, whom
the king had appointed to attend her, and ordered him
to go to Mordechai to learn what this was and
why it was. So hey Thak, Did I get that right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
He Hafock, Yes, Hathok.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
So Hafok went out to Mordecai, to the city square
in front of the king's game. Mordechai told him all
that had happened to him, and the exact amount of
money that Hayman had promised to pay to the King's
treasuries for the destruction of the Jews. He also gave
him a copy of the text of the edict which

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had been issued in Susa for their destruction, that he
might know that he might show Esther and inform her,
and to order her to go into the King to
implore his favor and to plead with him for her people.

(01:11:38):
Hathok came back and related Mordechai's words to Esther. Then
Esther spoke to Hathok and ordered him to reply to Mordecai.
All the King's servants and all the people of the
King's provinces know that for any man or woman who

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comes to the King to the inner court who is
not summoned, he has but one law, that he be
put to death unless the King holds out to him
the golden scepter so that he may live. And I
have not been summoned to come to the king for
these thirty days. They related Esther's words to Mordecai. Then

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Mordechai told them to reply to Esther. Do not imagine
that you in the King's palace can escape for any
more than all the Jews, For if you remain silent
at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for for
if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance

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will arise for the Jews from another place, and you
and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether
you have not attained royalty for such at times this.
Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai. Go assemble

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all the Jews who are found in Tusa, and fast
for me. Do not eat or drink for three days nights,
for three days night or day. I and my maidens
will also fast in the same way, and thus I
will go into the king, which is not according to
the law. And if I perish, I perish. So Mordechai

(01:13:33):
went away and did just as Esther commanded him. Wow, awesome,
brave woman.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yes, completely, absolutely, okay, got a few details, yes, yes,
So when I found out that when Mordecai tore off
his royal robes and put on sackcloth, he was basically saying,
this is from Petis Yakov. I don't know, I don't

(01:14:04):
know that much about it. It's from the book that I'm
reading from my place is now with the multitude. So
that was very interesting, Like he was not trying to
use whatever status he had to be different from anybody else.
And when he did that, his purpose was to publicize

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his cause to Esther and seek compassion from God through
prayer and fasting. He might have somebody might have expected
him to appear in his official attire to communicate the
facts of the emergency to Esther first, so she could
attempt to intercede with the king, and then he would
put on the sack loss to seek divine intervention. When

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he did the opposite, he placed his faith in God.
So I thought that was very interesting. Esther instantly realized
his public mourning could not have been from personal bereavement
she sent. The reason she sent the garments is so
he would come to the palace to speak with her personally.
But he didn't. But he wasn't willing to stop praying

(01:15:10):
even for a moment lest he appeared to substitute reliance
on a human being for dependence on the mercy of God.
Isn't that awesome? Yeah? So Haifak was Daniel. Apparently he
was called that because he was demoted from his position.
With Belshazzar and Darius and Cyrus, and they spoke in

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the public square, so no one could spy on them
and overhear their conversation. No one would even suspect them
of speaking of vital matters pertaining to the king in
such a place. And Mordecai conveyed the message that far
more than mere talk was going on, a great sum
of money was involved. And this was one other there

(01:16:01):
was one other specific thing. So when Esther gave this
alternative suggestion, when she was saying, it's already thirty days
I haven't been summoned by the king, it wasn't like
a whiney poudy thing she was trying. The implication was
that she will certainly be invited very soon to him,

(01:16:24):
So why don't I just wait? It's best that we
wait and at an advantageous time, more secure, less risky approach.
And he did not Mordecai did not like that. He
did not want her to wait because there was no
guarantee that she would still have that position. That the

(01:16:44):
time to act was now, so he said, when when
he talked about the such a time as this, the
original language is this very moment, okay, So what she
said is what he said to her. If you keep silent, now,
refrain from pleading for your nation. Basically, the idea was

(01:17:05):
in the end, you will be silent in the time
to come. You won't be able to justify yourself because
you had this opportunity of doing good in your lifetime
and you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Didn't do it. Yeah, I know, I was like, whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
And when he talked about you and your father's house
will perish, it was because God could potentially send a
foreign king to save the Jews buy and if so,
as a queen, she would be murdered with the king,
right And I know, I know, I was like, okay, okay,
So she wanted to delay going to the king and

(01:17:40):
he was just like, no, this can't be delayed. And
so what was the Oh, that's what it was. So
this three days of prayer and fasting. It says that okay,
the fast was atonement for the sin of enjoying Ahasuerus's banquet.
The essence of that fast was abstinence from food and drink.

(01:18:03):
This was an unprecedented effort of prayer, never before or
after equalled a tremendous wave of repentance swept over the
Jews everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Oh wow, okay, I know, I was like wow. Another
example of how like Basham pointed out, God isn't like
he's not in this book, like his name's not mentioned,

(01:18:37):
but he's all over it. Yes, for sure, the people
fasting and praying and that huge that what you were
just talking about is just mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot. So okay, So let
me do chapter five here now. It came about on
the third day. Esther put on her royal robe, stood
in the inner court of the King's palace in front
of the King's rooms, and the King was sitting on
his royal throne in the throne room opposite the entrance
to the palace. When the King saw Esther, the Queen,

(01:19:13):
standing in the court, she obtained favor in his sight,
and the King extended to Esther the golden scepter which
was in his hand. So Esther came near and touched
the top of the scepter. Then the King said to her,
what is troubling you, Queen Esther, And what is your request?
Even to half of the kingdom, it shall be given
to you. Esther said, if it pleases the King, may
the King and Hayman come this day to the banquet

(01:19:36):
that I have prepared for him. Then Hamen excuse me.
Then the King said, bring Hayman quickly, that we may
do as Esther desires. So the King and Hayman came
to the banquet which Esther had prepared. As they drank
their wine at the banquet, Esther excuse me. The King
said to Esther, what is your petition? For it shall

(01:19:57):
be granted to you, and what is your request? Even
to half of the kingdom, it shall be done. So
Esther replied, my petition on my request is if I
have found favor in the sight of the King, and
if it pleases the King to grant my petition and
do what I request. May the King and Haman come
to the bank, which I will prepare for them, and

(01:20:18):
tomorrow I will do as the king says. Then Haman
went out that day glad and pleased of heart. But
when Haman saw Mordecai in the King's gate and that
he did not stand up or tremble before him, Haman
was filled with anger against Mordecai. Haman controlled himself, however,
went to his house and sent for his friends and
his wife Zeresh. Then Haman recounted to them the glory

(01:20:41):
of his riches and the number of his sons, and
every instance where the king had magnified him, and how
he had promoted him above the princes and servants of
the king. Haman also said, even Esther the Queen, let
no one but me come with the king to the
banquet which she had prepared. And tomorrow also I'm invited
by her with the king. Yet all of this does

(01:21:03):
not satisfy me. Every time I see Mordecai the Jews
sitting at the king's gate. Then Zarash, his wife and
all his friends said to him, have a gallows built.
Have a gallows fifty cubits high made, and in the
morning asked the king to have Mordecai hang down it,
then go joyfully with the king to the banquet. And
the advice pleased Hayman, so he had the gallows made. Okay,

(01:21:26):
So there's a few pertinent details here. Since Esther had
already prepared the banquet, I didn't even think of that
she already had it ready, Osweers insisted that she not
be kept waiting. In fact, he made sure Hayman. This
is the historical account I'm reading. The king made sure

(01:21:47):
that Hayman would even be taken against his will to
do Esther's bidding. Now, obviously Hayman was very proud of himself.
But I found that interesting. So the king and Hayman
came immediately. It talks a little bit about the way
that texts or handle. The fact that it's not even
a new sentence means how quickly this was and okay,

(01:22:08):
so I want oh yeah, yeah. It talked about how
Esther's ruse worked and how he rejoiced. Hayman rejoiced in
his heart exceedingly and oh this was good too. Yeah,
so when Esther's ruse worked, basically, Hayman thought that Esther

(01:22:29):
was relying on his influence to sway the King in
her favor for whatever her request was. Oh I know,
did she pull it or what? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
Oh it was so good beautifully.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
So listen to this about Zarah. This is the deal.
It says she was extremely cruel, and it says that
this is why she advised. This is why she advised
Hayman to do the gallows. She said that because since
Mordecai was of Jewish stock, Hayman would not be able
to overcome him unless he contrived a punishment. That no,

(01:23:08):
they hadn't seen Jewish people be delivered of yet so
Hannah and Iah and his companions so U Chad reck
Meischek in a bed and go. They were delivered from
the fiery furnace. Daniel got delivered from the lions den,
and that was recent because Daniel was alive in these times.
Joseph was delivered from a dungeon. Mordecai's ancestors banished into
the wilderness, fruitful multiplied. There we stood many trials. Samson

(01:23:32):
killed the Philistines even after his eyes were gouged out.
This is what Zaraesh said, hang Mordechai on a gallows,
for we have not found that any of his people
have ever been delivered from that she is. Isn't that something? Yeah,
but they were also like, yeah, you're right, that was
They were all up into being conniving, So yeah, so

(01:23:54):
I thought that was pretty interesting. So this is another
interesting thing. One of his sons was governor over the
Mount Ararat Areel, and historically they say Hayman couldn't find
a fifty foot beam, so he got his son to
take a beam out of the remains of Noah's ark
that was fifty foot long, and that's what Hayman himself

(01:24:16):
got hung on.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Man. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I was like, well what symbolism? Right? Yeah, anyway, Bashian,
can you get chapter six? Let's I think flows through
to the end.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Invite him back in because whoops.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Whoops, swoops swoops. Yep, yep, we don't want that. We
don't want that. Ad speakers, Okay, here we go, here
we go.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
To say about this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Yeah, please do Uh No, I want to. I want
to plow through the text and then I want to
be able to listen at my leisure hear what he
has to say. I'm good, Basham, I'm trying to. Okay,
pray Scott, thank you, thank you so much. Great.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
I'm rejoicing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Uh, I know, I know that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Can you repeat the texts that you're referring to again?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yes, I would love to. This is called mcguilla again.
I'm sure I'm butchering it. This is uh from art
scroll Tanach series and the author's name is Rabbi near
low to Wits. There is many many people that contributed

(01:25:32):
to this. As I read through, it's some is I
I had to only read. I don't know how to
read Hebrews, so I had to only use the English portions.
The stuff written in English, but so many people are quoted,
so many people contributed, So I'm trying as I go through,
if I see somebody's name and in parentheses to give

(01:25:53):
them some credit. But obviously even when I see one
name in parentheses, that's a whole team of people that
that created that other work that this is, uh, you know,
kind of withdrawing from.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
Yeah, after the after we wrap up everything we can put,
you can write down on what it's the the book,
the name of the book and everything, so people can
check that out if they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Yeah, so it's mcgilla and yeah, Rabbi near slow to wits.
You can't really can't really edit that the stuff in
spaces once it's ended, but that's that's the info.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Yeah, got it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Thanks fashion Chapter six, please sir.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
That night, the king could not sleep, so he ordered
the Book of the Chronicles, the record of his reign,
to be brought in and read to him. It was
found recorded there that Mordechai had exposed Big Thinna and
Terish to the king's officers who guarded the doorway, who
had conspired to assassinate King zerces her Sirus. What honor

(01:27:11):
and recognition has Mordechai received for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
This, The King asked, nothing has been done for him?

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
His attendants answered, the King said, who is in the
court now? Hamman had just entered the outer court of
the palace to speak to the King about hanging Mordechai
on the gallows he had erected for him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
His attendants answered, Hamman is standing in the court. Bring
him in, the king ordered.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
When Hamman entered, the King asked him what should be
done for the man the King delights to honor. Now
Hamman thought to himself, who is there that the King
would rather.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Honor than need? This? Love it? So he answered the king,
for the man the King delights.

Speaker 8 (01:27:56):
To honor, have them bring a royal robe the king
as war and a horse the King has ridden.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
One with a royal crest placed on its head.

Speaker 8 (01:28:05):
Then let the robe and the horse be entrusted to
one of the King's most noble princes. Let them robe
the man the King delights to honor, and lead him
on the horse through the city streets, proclaiming before him,
this is what is done for the man the King
delights to honor.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Go at once, the King commanded him, and get the
robe and the horse, and do just as you have
suggested for Mordechai, the Jew who sits at the King's gate.
Do not neglect anything you have recommended. So come on,
got the robe and the horse. He robe Mordechai and
led him. Oh I wish I could have seen his

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led him on horseback throughout the city streets, proclaiming before him,
this is what is done for the man the king
delives on.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
I love it when you read the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Sound like beti tails keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Yeah, thanks, thanks for that. We have been playing them
a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
Thanks to you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
The kids are watching.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Afterward, Mordechai returned to the King's gate, but Haman rushed
home with his head covered in grief, and told Zeresh,
his wife and all his friends everything that had happened
to him. His advisors and his wife, Ziesh said to him,
since Mordechai, before whom your downfall has started, is of
Jewish origin, you cannot stand against him. You will surely

(01:29:34):
come to Ruin. While they were still talking with him,
the king's eunuchs arrived and hurried Haman Ayn away to
the banquet Esther had prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Yeah, so I've got some details here, Yeah, yeah, I
know we're coasting through this pretty quickly. But yeah, so
there was some definitely good deals are good details. One
of them was some common say, this was the very
first time Ahasuerus experienced insomnia in his life, like that

(01:30:07):
was why he was it was such a big deal
to him. And Okay, so this is another big detail.
So there's a difference in between the terms used for
record books here. So there was a record book that
was like pertaining to the court and the government in

(01:30:29):
which Hayman's sons had played a role, and they were
because of their prominence, they had been a They wanted
to make light of Mordecai's involvement. So when the scribes
they they were the scribes that recorded the incident, and
so instead of writing faithfully, they put that he denounced

(01:30:51):
big fan or Tarish. Basically, they made it sound like
Mordecai didn't know who was guilty, an innocent man may
have been execut because of Mordecai's vague subscriptions, vague suspicions,
and that Mordecai wasn't worthy of any reward. So they
were lying in the like the record that was available

(01:31:12):
to like the official people for the government. But there
was another book of records that was the king's personal diary,
and so that is what he ended up having been
read for him. And so when when it says that
he give me a second here, so basically it's considered

(01:31:39):
among Jewish people. I'm not saying all of them, but
they consider that the recording of what Mordecai did getting
into the king's personal diary was done like divinely, like supernaturally,

(01:31:59):
because the king did not remember this record being written,
and it was his personal diary. Isn't that something to
think about?

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Yeah? And yeah, let me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, he couldn't sleep. He asked for the He didn't
ask for the court books that had been doctored. He
asked for his personal diary to be read to him.
And okay, here it is, hang on a second. Here
it says the album differentiates between the Book of Records,

(01:32:38):
the official chronicle of the nation's history, which was kept
under jurisdiction of the Prime Minister, the Anals literally annals
excuse me, forgive me everyone, the Annals literally book of Remembrances,
the King's personal diary, which was kept in the monarch's
personal possession. Hayman had rewritten the Book of records and

(01:33:00):
inserted his own name to conform with his self serving version.
The king had his personal diary read to him. He
discovered Mordecai, not Hayman, was responsible for saving his life.
He became aware of Hayman's fraud and the big then
arish affair, and was obviously then more willing to accept

(01:33:22):
the damning accusation the next day. And yeah, so this, uh,
the Talmud says.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
When the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
When the king heard from his servants that nothing has
been done for Mordecai, the Talmud says, they answered him
not because they loved Mordechai, but because they hated Haman.
They the way that they said it implied the rewards
rewards were given, but not to the one who was

(01:33:55):
deserving of them in the original language. And okay, so
then so one of the things that bothered the king
about his sleeplessness, one of the reasons why he asked
for his personal diary is because okay, let me look
at this. This is i ibn Ezra is the source.

(01:34:19):
The king asked for the record book be read to
him because he felt his sleeplessness might be punishment for
an unfulfilled oath, and when he asked about who's in
my court? The implications of his question in the original languages,
who in my court bears the responsibility of reminding me

(01:34:41):
to distribute rewards to deserving parties? And Hayman was named.
Hayman was approaching. Okay, listen to this. Hayman was so
anxious to rid himself of Mordecai he did not follow
the sensible advice of his wife to wait until morning
to approach the king. And so anyway, it's it's a

(01:35:05):
really he chose a really bad time. And okay, give
me a second here. Oh boy, I'm really trying to
find the place where it talks about the the writing
being in the king's personal diary, but not by him,

(01:35:26):
because like he did not remember having written that at all,
And I don't know. I I would like to find it,
but I've been looking a little bit here as we've
been talking about other things, and I still haven't found it.
It is in here. I did read it myself, but
I'm just not finding it quickly. And I want to

(01:35:47):
keep this moving, Okay, So let's see, the king wanted
to rush to the banquet and did not want to
keep Esther waiting, and so he wanted to make sure

(01:36:08):
that Hayman was finished in time for Esther's banquet. Again,
it's just shows just he's kind of an impetuous guy,
and it just highlights again the way that Esther went
about it, drawing him out, drawing him out, she just
locked him in increasingly to buy into finding out what

(01:36:30):
it was she wanted so he could give it to her. Okay,
so this is a super super important detail I found out.
Historically apparently again this is Megilla sixteen A that this
is a reference is a reference for this. Hayman's daughter
saw Haman leading Mordecai from an overhanging roof, and she

(01:36:55):
thought the man on the horse was her father and
the man leading him was Mordecai. So she took a
chamber plot and emptied it on her father's head, thinking
it was Mordecai. Her father looked up at her when
she realized it was him. Historically, it's such she threw
herself from the roof to the ground and killed herself.
And so apparently that was something of why Hayman had

(01:37:21):
his head covered in mourning.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Oh wow, I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Know, isn't this like this is this is intense. It
is coming down on Hayman is coming down on his family.
Is like, okay, so let me see here. Well, they're
still talking sent the chamberlain. Oh yeah, so this is
important too. One of the chamberlains that came to get

(01:37:51):
Hayman to Esther's party is historically allegedly this He was
in on Hayman's plot and when he saw how things
were going, he switched sides super fast and yeah, and
so that's about to come up. And he's the chamberlain

(01:38:12):
who leaks it to the king in this coming thing here.
So Meg, if you want to read chapter seven.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
Seven, okay, yeah, all right, okay, and again I'm reading
from nasb ninety five. Now, the King and Hayman came
to drink wine with Esther the queen, and the King
said to Esther on the second day, also, oh wait,

(01:38:42):
do we not do chapter six? Or did we?

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
We did it? Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
And the cake said to Esther on the second day also,
as they drank their wine at the banquet, what is
your petition, Queen Esther? It shall shall be granted you?
And what and what is your request? Even to half
of the kingdom, it shall be done then Queen Esther replied,

(01:39:08):
if I have found favor in your sight, O King,
and if it pleases the King, let me let my
life be given me as my petition and my people
as my request. For we have been for we have
been sold, and I and my people to be destroyed,

(01:39:31):
to be killed, and to be annihilated. Now, if we
had only been sold as slaves, slaves, men and women,
I would have remained silent, for the trouble would not
be commensurate with the annoyance. With the annoyance of the
to the king. Then King Asawares asked Queen Esther, who

(01:39:52):
is he and where is he who would presume to
do thus? Esther said, A foe and an enemy? Is
this wicked Hayman. Then Hayman became terrified before the King
and Queen. I wish Bashian was reading this, because this
would just be perfect for him to read it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:15):
The King carry, I just like it better, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
The King arose in his anger from drinking wine and
went into the palace garden, but Hayman stayed to beg
for his life from Queen Esther, for he saw the
harm that had been determined against him by the King.
Now When the king returned from the palace garden into
the place where they were drinking wine, Hayman was falling

(01:40:49):
on the couch where Esther was. Then the king said,
will he even assault the queen with me and the house?
As the word went out of the king's mouth, they
covered Hayman's face. Then Harbanaugh, one of the eunuchs who
were up, who were before the king, said, behold, indeed

(01:41:14):
the gallows standing at Hayman's house fifty cubas high, which
Hayman made for Mordecai, who spoke good on behalf of
the king, and the king said, hang him on it.
So they hanged Hayman on the gallows which he had
prepared for Mordecai, and the king's anger subsided.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Isn't that intense?

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
So apparently I found out that for the first feast
Esther's three days of fasting, that that first feast she
was that was her third day of fasting. Okay, So yeah,
I thought she went after it was done, but the
historical accounts as not. They said, uh. And and another

(01:42:01):
thing that they said is that if in the presence
of both of them Haymen trembled, he had had he
been with either of them privately, he could have talked
his way out of it, right. And it also said
that in the garden the this incident happened the same
place as Vashti's execution. This was where Vashti's execution took place,

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so that was intense as well. And and another another
thing it said was some people think that Hayman may
have been trying to implicate had Esther in a compromising position. Anyway,
that's uh, that's that's just part of the scholarly end

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of this. It's not like any type of evidence, right,
So yeah, so anyway, let let me go to uh
chapter eight and okay, so actually, fashion, why don't you
do eight and then I'll fly through nine and ten

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and finish it up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Sure, I'm just in addition to the excellent text that
you've got, I was remembering some archaeological recent discovery with ANSI. Yeah,
from the Persian Empire, yes, present day Iran. People want
to add some more meaning to this. Why this is
so relevant? You know, I ran trying to wipe out

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Israel and all that, and just like, shoot, this is
pretty pertinent for today that we're reading this. But they
actually found Mordecai in the Persian records of that era.
That scholars were like, oh, yeah, it's totally him. They
just had a different name prescribe to him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
But anyway, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
A really this is such a fun book to Yeah,
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
So much information, yeah, so much here, well I'm reading
chapter eight.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Okay, yes, please thank you who.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
The King's edict in behah the Jews?

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
That same day, King Ercees gave Queen Esther the estate
of Hayman, the enemy of the Jews, and Mordecaia came
into the presence of the king, for Esther had told
how he was related to her. The king took off
his signet ring, which he had reclaimed from Haman, and
presented it to Mordecai, and Esther appointed him over Hayman's estate.

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Esther again pleaded with the king, falling at his feet
and weeping. She begged him to put an end to
the evil plan of Haman the Agagite, which he had
devised against the Jews.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Then the king extended the.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Gold scepter to Esther, and she arose and stood before him.
If it pleases the King, she said, and if he
regards me with favor and thinks it the right thing
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
And if he is pleased with me, would an order.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
Be written over ruling the dispatches that he Aiman, son
of the Hamadatha the Aggagite, divided and wrote to destroy
the Jews and all the King's provinces.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
For how can I bear to see disaster fall on
my people? How can I bear to.

Speaker 4 (01:45:09):
See the destruction of my family? King's Arses replied to
the Queen Esther and to Mordechai the Jew, because hey
men attacked the Jews. I have given this a state
to ester, and they have hanks going to the gallows.
Now write another decree in the King's name in behalf
of the Jews, as seems best to you, and seal
it with the King's signet ring, For no document written

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in the King's name and sealed with his ring could
be revoked at once. The royal secretaries were summoned on
the twenty third day of the third month, the month
of Sivan. They wrote out all Monarchai's orders to the
Jews and to the Satraps, governors and nobles of the
one and twenty seven provinces stretching from India to Kush.

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These orders were written in the script of each province,
in the language of each people, and also to the
Jews in their own script and langue, which Mordechai wrote
in the name of King's Ercees, sealed the dispatches with
the King's signet ring and sent them by mounted couriers
who rode fast horses especially bred for the king. The

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King's Edict granted the Jews in every city the right
to assemble or protect themselves, to destroy, kill, and annihilate
any armed force of any nationality or province that might
attack them and their women and children, and to plunder
the property of their enemies. The day appointed for the
Jews to do this in all the provinces of King's

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Ercees was the thirteenth day of.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
The twelfth month, the month of Adar. Yeah, like you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Said, the one that Hayman had kind of like used astrology,
defined or whatever. A copy of the text of the
edict was to be issued as law in every province
and made known to the people of every nationality, so
that the Jews would be ready on that day to
avenge themselves on their enemies. Riding the royal horses, raced

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out spurred on by the king's command, and the edict
was also issued in the citadel of Susa. Mordecai left
the king's presence wearing royal garments of blue and white,
a large chronicle and a purple robe of fine linen,
and the city of Susa held a joyous celebration. So
the Jews, it was time of happiness and joy, gladness
and honor in every province and in every city.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Wherever the edict of the king went.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
There was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting
and celebrating, and many people of other nation nationalities became
Jews because of fear of the Jews had seized them.
It's like, we better get what these guys, I mean,
not to mention their god. I like how you pulled
out that there was a lot of fear of the
prophecies of Daniel.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Yeah, that was very interesting what.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
God has done for the Jews, so very secular, like, oh,
there's just.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
These Jews, like they must have known. The kings were afraid.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
And finally the people see what God did and they're like,
let's just make.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Him our god now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Really amazing, hallelujah. Okay, cool, So it's my turn, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Chapter nine, Oh, let me see if there was any
particular Oh, it mentioned that for chapter eight, it mentioned
that Hayman had allowed others to attend to the mechanics
of preparing and dispatching the decree. Mordecai, in his desire

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to be instrumental in saving the Jews, took care of
every detail himself. So I thought that was very interesting.
I thought that, so this is what uh the king
so rashi whatever. I don't know that much about that source,
but the king in that source, the king said. Basically.

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What the king was saying was communicating the message by
my recent actions, everyone will know that I'm well disposed
to you both, and anything you say will have royal force. Therefore,
there's no need to annul the first decree. Simply write
a new decree as you see fit, and don't worry
about the people and the environs of Sousa. Since the
word is out. Hayman's dead. I transferred his estate to you,

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his power to Mordecai. You have nothing to fear. It's
the far away provinces you must reach. So that that
was very interesting that he was helping them in terms
of governmental and political things to understand how to navigate that.
And another observation I thought was interesting that Mordecai and

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Esther were insistent upon immediate permission to countermand Hayman's decree,
but they waited over two months before writing the all
important edict, without which destill hovered over the heads of
the Jews. One reason is because Mordecai was waiting for
the return to Susa of Hayman's couriers, he felt it
essential his letters be delivered by the same couriers to

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add legitimacy to the contents, despite the fact that it
obviously contradicted the intent of Hayman's decree. So I thought
that was interesting, and it said that Mordecai wanted the
new letters to be delivered as soon as possible, even

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though there was eight and a half months remaining, and
so he supplied them with the swiftest animals. Another detail
I thought was interesting is that Mordecai wanted the Jews
to avoid taking spoils to demonstrate that self defense was
their only motivation, and so, in conjunction with this holiday

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is for the poor among Jews to be given gifts
to make it easier to easier to to participate in
the celebration. I thought that was very interesting. So instead
of instead of depending on spoils, the Jewish people working

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together to take care of people who needed it more
than others. Anyway, let me knock out the rest of
this book. Yeah, yeah, okay, here, let's plow through the
last of this now. In the twelfth month, that is
the month of Adar, on the thirteenth day, when the
king's command in edict were about to be executed. On

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the day when the enemies of the Jews hoped to
gain the mastery over them, it was turned to the contrary,
so the Jews themselves gained the mastery over those who
hated them. The Jews assembled in their cities throughout all
the provinces of King Ahasueris to lay hands on those
who sought their harm, and no one could stand before them,
for the dread of them had fallen on all the peoples,

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even all the princes of the provinces, the satraps, the
govern and those who were doing the king's business assisted
the Jews because the dread of Mordecai had fallen on them. Indeed,
Mordechai was great in the King's house, and his fame
spread throughout all the provinces, for the man Mordechai became
greater and greater. Thus the Jews struck all their enemies

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with the sword, killing and destroying, and they did what
they pleased to those who hated them. And the citadel
and Susa, the Jews killed and destroyed five hundred men
and Parshandatha, dlphon Aspatha, Paratha, Adalia, Aredatha, Parma, Parmeshta, Arisai Aridae,

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and Vaisatha, the ten sons of Hayman, the son of
Hamma Datha, the Jews enemies, but they did not lay
their hands on the plunder. On that day, the number
of those who were killed and the citadel and Susa
was reported to the King. The King said to Queen Esther,
the Jews have killed and destroyed five hundred men and
the ten sons of Hayman at the citadel in Susa.

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What then have they done in the rest of the
King's provinces. Now what is your petition? It shall be
granted you. And what is your further request? It shall
also be done, then, said Esther. If it pleases the King,
let tomorrow also be granted to the Jews who are
in Susa to do according to the edict of today
and let Hayman's sons be hanged down the gallows. So

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the king commanded that it should be done so, and
an edict was issued in Susa, and Hayman's ten sons
were hanged. By the way. For those who don't know,
that doesn't mean a noose like in a cowboy movie,
like a rope in a wood thing. It means impaled
with a spike on a huge woodpoll. Okay, moving on now,

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The rest of the Jews who are in the King's
provinces assembled to defend their lives and rid themselves of
their enemies and kill seventy five thousand of those who
hated them that they did not lay their hands on
the plunder. This was done on the thirteenth day of
the month of Adar, and on the fourteenth day they
rested and made it a day of feasting and rejoicing.
But the Jews were in Susa assembled on the thirteenth

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and the fourteenth of the same month, and they rested
on the fifteenth day and made it a day of
feasting and rejoicing. Therefore, the Jews of the rural areas
who live in the rural towns make the fourteenth day
of the month Adar a holiday for rejoicing and feasting
and sending portions of food to one another. Then Mordecai
recorded these events, and he sent letters to all the
Jews were in all the provinces of King Ahasueris, both

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near and far, obliging them to celebrate the fourteenth day
of the month of Adar and the fifteenth of the
same month annually, because on those days the Jews rid
themselves of their enemies, and it was a month which
was turned for them from sorrow into gladness and from
morning into a holiday. That they should make them days
of feasting and rejoicing, and send portions of food to

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one another and gifts to the poor. Thus the Jews
undertook what they had started to do and what Mordecai
had written to them. For Haman Hayman, the son of Hamidatha,
the Agagite, the adversary of all the Jews, had schemed
against the Jews to destroy them, and had cast per
that is the lot, to disturb them and destroy them.

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But when it came to the King's attention, he commanded
by letter that his wicked scheme which he had devised
against the Jews, should return on his own head, and
that he and his son should be hanged on the gallows.
Therefore they called these days Perham, after the name of
per And because of the instructions in this letter, both
what they had seen in this regard and what had
happened to them, the Jews established and made a custom

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for themselves and for their descendants, and for all those
who allied themselves with them, so that they would not
fail to celebrate these two days according to their regulation
and according to their appointed time annually. So these days
were to be remembered and celebrated through every generation, every family,
every province, in every city. And these days of Peram

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were not to fail from among the Jews, or their
memory fate from their descendants. Then Queen Esther, daughter of
abe Hail with Mordecai the Jew, wrote with full authority
to confirm this second letter about Perham. He sent letters
to all the Jews, to the one hundred and twenty
seven provinces of the Kingdom of Ahasueras, namely words of

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peace and truth, to establish these days of Perham at
their appointed times, just as Mordechai the Jew and Queen
Esther had established for them, and just as they had
established for themselves and for their descendants, with instructions for
their times of fasting and their lamentations. The command of
est established these customs for Perham, and it was written

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in the book Now King of Hausweris laid a tribute
on the land and on the coastlands of the sea,
and all the accomplishments of his authority and strength, and
the full account of the greatness of Mordecai to which
the king advanced him. Are they not written in the
book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia.
For Mordecai the Jew was second only to King Ahasueres,

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and great among the Jews, and in favor with his
many kinsmen, and one who sought the good of his people,
and one who spoke for the welfare of his whole nation.
So that is so beautiful, and I wanted to I
want to mention one other detail that didn't get explained yet.

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The Historical account book explained that when it says even
up to half my kingdom the actual literal language, it's
better understood that Esther was not to ask for anything
that would disrupt the balance of power in the kingdom,

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that would disrupt the stability of the kingdom. And so
basically it was his way of keeping the rebuild building
of the temple under the list of things you cannot
ask me to do without even knowing she was Jewish
and postponed. I believe it was Was it Darius Esther?

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I think I read in the Historical account book that
Esther was Darius's mother, and I think it was Darius
that worked on reinstating getting the Jews out there to
rebuild Jerusalem. Don't quote me on that. I'm a student.
I'm still learning so much anyway, So fashion we've been

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doing this has been taking longer than I anticipated, But
I really want to hear what you have to say.
Can you start talking about the Book of Esther please?

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
Thanks? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
I didn't want to talk too much until we finished
the book.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
And we can always kind of refer.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
Back to just the incredibly wonderful amount of detail and
relevance for today's events in the world, and just historical
context and the way that God leaves his people.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
But one of the things I guess I keep coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
To the Book of Esther and the Book of Ruth
as portals to see it not just like time travel
back to that time, but to see God's hand in
his people, Israel, because it really makes you think about
the nation.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Of Israel and it's and it's wonderful.

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
It's necessity because a lot of Christians they like to
just kind of not look at Israel. They're just like, oh, well,
we're replacing them, which is completely biblical, or just get
arguments about the symbol on their flag is it would
you know? They get people get weird on the internet
and God God for Israel like in occult way, but

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with no understanding of what of all the intricacies and
stuff going on on with just Israel maintaining its press.
I mean, that's God's real estate. Those are yeah, this
was a Jew, he was born into that. And then
I mean the diaspora, the dispersal of the Jews, like

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the having seen Israel be taken away twice both.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
In Daniel's or not.

Speaker 4 (02:00:25):
Sorry, Jeremiah, I've been I was praying this morning. I
didn't read Esther today, but I read I've read it
like fifty times.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Yeah, I know, I know, I've been wanting looking forward
to this conversation. Please go on, the.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Lord show me you need to like you're doing.

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
You're saying, I think Esther was the mother of Darius,
but I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
Wow, that's interest. I don't know about that either. There's
so much I idea to learn.

Speaker 4 (02:00:47):
But what the Lord showed me was you need to
read Esther, but you also need to read Jeremiah, Ezekiel
and Isaiah and the prophecies that were taking place ring
the time when God was about to judge Israel and
then take them away to Babylon.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
So you really get it hammered in the full scope
of prophecies that were going on back then.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
And oh that's great, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Daniel, which you did a great job, by the way.
Then Buchanezer episode. People should listen to that at least
as many times as you can. So good.

Speaker 9 (02:01:25):
These are real events. Like people sit on their butts
and they're like, ooh this really is and then oh
it did happen. Oh okay, the Bible is true. Okay,
and then back to your very life.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
It's there's so when you meditate on the.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
Scriptures and you set aside time to read the word
every day. It takes time to read the word, I understand,
but you've got.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
Us stick to it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:50):
The Book of Pastor a couple coupled with Daniel, a
couple of Jeremiah, Isaiah and Ezekiel, and then I want
to get into later on Mehamiah and Ezra and all
the This is kind of how God has both judged
his people, but then he goes ahead and he judges
in Jeremiah, he also prop sizes against Babylon. And then
as you're reading that, keep in mind that at the

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end of the Bible, mystery Babylon is totally a thing
in the End Times. Mystery Babylon is city, this horror system.
And that took me back. I did a whole Bible
study reading through that and then reading back in Jeremiah,
and anyway, you can see how there's this mystery queen
of Babylon prostitute system. Which when you said that Vashti

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was the granddaughter of the King of Babylon, I'm like,
holy crap, that would have been a potential queen of Babylon.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
WHOA. There's a lot of layers to this, you know,
and then if you know about all.

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
Your Internet conspiracy here is if you know about the
Babylonian star gods and all the recent hubub kind of
you know, not proven but talk that we've heard about
the you know these stars.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Okay, I need you to slow down to all this.

Speaker 4 (02:03:07):
Yeah, just let me finish this one thing, like sure,
sure loaded with weird a called power of the demonic
of the fallen angels. And yes, God judged Babylon not
just because they took over Israel and carted them off,
but there was like a pantheon of evil things that
are going to come back at the end times. And

(02:03:30):
that's pretty much my first statement. I don't know how
much time we have, but but you know.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
That makes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Some time. So you did go too fast for me
after you stopped talking about the prophets and the Bible
and starts to talk about other things. Is there things
from the other prophets and the Bible and the other
the prophecies that were happening at that time? Is there
things that stood out to you or any specific observations
you wanted to make.

Speaker 4 (02:04:00):
Well, I'm talking in an extremely broad way, like I'm
just saying what the Lord showed me based on having
just read the last year through the whole book of
Ezekiel Idiah.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Yeah, Jeremiah, that those.

Speaker 4 (02:04:13):
Prophets, both propheside Israel getting taken over by Babylon, and
then what would happen after the King of Gold. The
king had that dream that beginners are the dream and directly,
like Daniel got nailed it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
You are the head of Daniel.

Speaker 4 (02:04:32):
And then the next layer would be the arms, the bronze, I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
Sorry, the silver, Yes, yes, the kingdom.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
So that was directly pop signing the needs and the Persians,
and so Esther is living in that era.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
Yes, yeah, you know you read the You got to.

Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
Read these books and then go back and refer to
the prophecies that were directly pertaining to Babylon. And let's
not get stuck in the His Street part of it,
because people can get all trivial. Look at Revelation eighteen
and nineteen and look at how he the judgment of
Babylon the whoreror is and how this kind of intertwines

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back to where I mean, this whole thing interlopes with
like future prophecy and then past prophecy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
So okay, so you were talking about way back of it.
Now you were talking about people getting trivial with the
historical aspect. What are you suggesting for people to do instead?

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
Just don't stop there, find read read all about it,
go online. Look at those cool beards that the king
Darius and Xercees had, and I mean they they those
are pretty interesting pictures if you look at the historical
archaeologlogical lines and the extra details and stuff like Noah's
arc might have been used to hang Haman and all

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that or impale him. That kind of stuff is really interesting.
But don't stop there. You got to keep going, get
back in the word. And when you when you flip
back and forth, you know, from what Jeremiah Proph's side
about Bamalon, what was going on and with in Esther's time,
with the means the Persian kingdom, and then returning back to.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
Israel, and then you and then you get distracted, you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:25):
Know, you look at the recent events and you're like,
what's going on with Iran and Trump?

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
And done? Yahoo?

Speaker 4 (02:06:30):
And go back to the Bible again, reread some of
these books and look at how God protects his people.
And sometimes yeah, like I mean, we're all like, oh
my gosh, guysa oh no.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
And I'm not defending everything that's happening.

Speaker 4 (02:06:44):
I'm just saying, like, look to the Lord, and look
to God, and look to what's happening. When you read
the word, the Word is alive. People like to say, well,
the Bible's been edited and blah blah blah. They get
all these stupid, little, stuffed to chump arguments where you're
defending little things and then and you don't zoom out
and see the whole word, and especially when you have

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a relationship with God as you read, so the Holy
Spirit can guide you and enlighten you so that this
becomes your reality. Like we are part of this, that
we're in the Bible. Guys, we're not.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Just reading Esther to feel good about ourselves.

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
Oh we're so religious. What those events in the book?

Speaker 4 (02:07:25):
And as you can see the one other thing, it's
so amazing how the events.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
Kind of slowly take place.

Speaker 3 (02:07:31):
It's a party, there's drinking, there's fashd, there's.

Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
Laws, and then suddenly it's like quicker and quicker, the
cycles are getting.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
Faster and faster of like just action packed moments, and
like before the words were out of his mouth, the
people came to take them on to the party.

Speaker 10 (02:07:46):
Then you know it was just the last second this
judgment happened, and oh she could like the events are
very similar to a woman giving birth and the cycles
of labor getting more and more quicker at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
So we should look at the.

Speaker 4 (02:08:02):
Kind of where we're at right now in history, in history,
in present day timing and time times that things are
happening faster and faster and faster, just as in.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
The Book of Esther.

Speaker 4 (02:08:15):
And if you're not in the word all the time,
you're likely to get sucked into fear. You're likely to
get to like drawn into the moment to moment things
that you don't see. No, wait a second, God is
going to take care of his people. He's going to
save them. He's going to save those that are in
league with them as well. There's a blessing in Isiah

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sixty six for those who love Jerusalem, that you will
be comforted by Jerusalem, and you can live in that.
But if you live in like just sucked into the
latest thing all the time, then forget it. I mean,
we have to have this word established in us to
listen to it, read it then and prayerfully, meditatively go

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through it. I've spent the last two years just reading
these prophets and just one chapter a day. So I mean,
if you can bear with my silliness and stuff and eccentricity.
Sometimes I have chapters of each chapter of this chapter
by chapter of the whole book. You can go back
and listen to them and see what the Lord said

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that chapter.

Speaker 3 (02:09:20):
What was learning with this?

Speaker 4 (02:09:22):
In Isiah and Ezekiel and Jeremiah. Every detail it's important.
And what I love about your research and.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
These extra.

Speaker 4 (02:09:33):
Compte, these commentaries and biblical scholars and Jewish scholars, is
that they're showing that even the tiniest minute details that
you tend to kind of gloss over, they're actually really
important if you have the extra context. So I thought
that was really really good. I learned so much today.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
I'm so thankful. Thanks for letting me talk a little
bit too.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
I appreciate your sharing. So I think we're saying to
people not to get caught up or distracted by the
historical details, but put the emphasis on seeing God's faithfulness
to his word. Is that right?

Speaker 3 (02:10:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:10:14):
Yeah, you're reminding me how the seventy years prophecy was
actually correct. Like, notice how people love to get into
dates these days. And like, oh no, yeah, it's not
going to happen. It's not going to happen. No, Jesus
is coming back. The Antichrist is going to show up.
We don't have a specific date, but if you read Daniel,
which we got to, I'm going to read the whole

(02:10:36):
book of Daniel. I want to get into all those
kind of wild beast things.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
And it's very pertinent when you.

Speaker 4 (02:10:42):
Look at Ai, when you look at what's happening today
with all these AI beasts.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
And when you read the.

Speaker 4 (02:10:49):
Word with the understanding that the word of God cannot
be changed. What God said is going to happen, no
matter what anybody else said. Love, how you keep your
treating because man and people can get sucked into like, well,
I look to them when I say that, who cares?

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
How you look? If we have the.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
Dis Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (02:11:08):
You know what I mean. It's seventy years or not.

Speaker 4 (02:11:10):
It's seventy years, Maybe it's nineteen ninety four, maybe it's
twenty twenty four, Okay, it's not, it's twenty thirty four.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
Seven years a generation.

Speaker 4 (02:11:19):
So even back then, they weren't getting it right, like
they were kind of thinking it was this.

Speaker 1 (02:11:25):
Time thinking it was not time.

Speaker 5 (02:11:26):
Yeah, both of those kings got a wrong, but they
were they were mad, that's.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
With it's Yeah, they were like terrified the oh my gosh,
that's gonna happen. God's going to delirius people. I just
don't know when, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
Yeah, that was interesting to me too, that the cultures
back then they were more like knowledgeable of each other
and involved in each other's lives. Then.

Speaker 6 (02:11:52):
I think I've been used to it as an American
even thinking of and and the weight that the pagan
kings put on the prophets that exceeded even some of
the Jewish people at that time. The weight they put
on it the very yeah, eye opening for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:12:12):
Yeah, and the unless I'm getting it wrong, you guys
tell me. Queen Vashti, she what should could have taken
her role as queen ed done what God wanted to
do by putting her there, But she didn't. She did

(02:12:35):
the exact opposite.

Speaker 2 (02:12:38):
Yeah, she could have. She could have kept her role
just by staying out of the stripping the women, stepping
the stripping the Jewish women and making them work on
the Sabbath and stopping and just not stopping. Ahasuerus uh,

(02:12:58):
not making him stop the building of the temple.

Speaker 5 (02:13:01):
If she would have just yep, so God could have
used her, but she went with her own slash and
her own ideas and whatever made her happy. And but
God's gonna make what God's God's promises are always what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:13:21):
That's how Esther or what was her other names, Yeah
da become becoming Esther for this. God made that happen
in all of these amazing, miraculous different ways through different people.
Didn't have to be that way if Asci would have

(02:13:43):
just been obedient in the first place. Yes, but it
it's just an amazing story to see how God will
make all of it happen regardless if you if if
you're going to be obedient or not if you if
you're not, He'll find somebody else.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
Yeah, so sobering, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:14:05):
And where can we take that with our own eyes
and be like, what is what is God trying to
tell us? I can think for myself trying to be
more obedient, trying to be more sensitive to listening to
what God has for me. Just in these the recent floods,

(02:14:28):
I was so if you remember I brought up flash
floods to you before, before I know anything that was happening,
and God was trying to use me for that, and
I need to be more sensitive. I need to I

(02:14:51):
just need to be too sensitive to that and get
better understanding that I should have been praying right then.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
Yeah, me too too.

Speaker 5 (02:15:04):
But and but that's where what Esther did. Esther went
straight into the palace and with all the enemies are
all around her, could be killed at any time. Yeah, yeah,
in this horrible place, and but she interceded for her people.

(02:15:27):
She was basically an intercestor. She stood in the gap
for all of the Jews. And I know in one
of the chapters it says if I perish, I perish.
She says that, and so she she knows the weight
of it, she knows what's going on. And yeah, I

(02:15:49):
just think it's it's an amazing, brilliant way to show
of someone being in what looks like a horrible saying
a horrible situation, but staying completely true to the word
of God, staying connected and being obedient, completely open to

(02:16:14):
what He has for you and what he wants you
to do. And it doesn't mean it applies to all
of us. It's we're not all going to be put
into the situation of where we're under a king that's
trying to kill all of our people. But yeah, what
situations are we be? What What does God want on

(02:16:37):
for us in our lives? What does he want us
to do and step out in boldness and do?

Speaker 3 (02:16:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful, It's wonderful. I agree with you.
What was I going to ask Passion is before we
wrap up, is that you mentioned modern times or untime
just I don't have like a coherent Is there a

(02:17:05):
summary statement you like to make about what you were
sharing about modern times or end times in particular.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
Yeah, we can prepare by getting in the word.

Speaker 3 (02:17:18):
Like never before excellent.

Speaker 2 (02:17:20):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
The thing when you know you're going to have I
just saw these new robots that China is making that
are like these wheels that just roll around and easily.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
Outfitted with guns. I mean, it's just nothing to be
living in fear about.

Speaker 3 (02:17:34):
But things are going to be pretty wild and with
neuralink and.

Speaker 4 (02:17:39):
Whatever spiritual manifestations happen, I mean, whether warfare obviously is happening.

Speaker 3 (02:17:46):
The events of the end will be speeding.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
Up, not slowing down.

Speaker 4 (02:17:50):
There will be more things to be obsessing about on
a daily basis, on an hourly basis. And if you're
notocused on the word, I'm not focusing enough on the Word.
I'm doing everything I say, I have what to do
everything I can to make sure that the Word is.

Speaker 1 (02:18:09):
What I do when I wake up, It's what I
do throughout the.

Speaker 3 (02:18:11):
Day and a bed and and being defend the Word.

Speaker 1 (02:18:16):
Don't don't just feel you know, I'm kind of a Christian.

Speaker 4 (02:18:20):
Boldly carry a Bible with you, because Prophet Copeland says,
you know, if you're if you're embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (02:18:26):
About having a Bible, carry it around in a bag
until you get used to it, and it's just have
it with you.

Speaker 3 (02:18:32):
Be in the word, have the Word at your that
you're ready.

Speaker 1 (02:18:37):
Don't just trust in your phone or thinking that the.

Speaker 4 (02:18:41):
Enemy is the same enemy that was trying to kill
the Jews in the days of Esther is the one
that's going to be given power at the end time
to overcome the saints for a period of time. So
we have to have the mindset that the Holy Spirit
is the one that is my defense, not my job,
not my money, not my family, on my resources.

Speaker 1 (02:19:02):
We have to know the Word.

Speaker 4 (02:19:04):
So as the end time gets really heated up, and
I know a lot of end time data, so I
could just go on for hours about the end time.
The timeline that we think is the specific dates and
number of years in Daniel and Revelation.

Speaker 1 (02:19:19):
But I mean, you can listen to my show going
into that a little more.

Speaker 4 (02:19:22):
But I want to just end with like, the Lord
has a really good plan for us.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
And you can either be in the suthfort of.

Speaker 3 (02:19:29):
The Lord in the Holy Spirit and just you know,
you see.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
Me with your eyes, well you see the destruction of wicked.

Speaker 11 (02:19:35):
Or you might be like wavering between the world and
God's people. Well, the word says, come out of her
my people. Don't be a.

Speaker 3 (02:19:45):
Part figure of her plate destruction of Babylon and the
Spirit and the Bride and all those who.

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
Here saying come, come drink of the river of life freely,
in the water of life freely.

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
And there's a very clear line between the two between
living in the world and that line.

Speaker 3 (02:20:06):
Yes, I agree with that, That's what I see.

Speaker 4 (02:20:09):
As far as thank you your honor, I rest.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
I appreciate hearing what you had to say.

Speaker 12 (02:20:18):
I appreciate your thoughts, and I like your observation of
how important and powerful it is to take to be
looking at books of.

Speaker 2 (02:20:29):
The Bible and the overlapping that they have of things
going on at the time. It was definitely eye opening
for me as well reading in that historical account about
Daniel and Esther being there at the same time, Mordecai
being there at the same time.

Speaker 5 (02:20:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:20:47):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, they made it sound in
the book like it was historical fact that Esther Uh
was Darius's mother. But I also I I do like
multiple sources. I like, you know, what can I say,
just a lot of exposure over time to people putting

(02:21:09):
stuff out there and then not necessarily having done what.

Speaker 7 (02:21:13):
They needed to do to trust by Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21:21):
No, it's not the source necessarily, it's more just my experiences.
So anyway, thank you both. This was absolutely surpassing. I
hope to have the team together for some other spaces recording.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
But yeah, yeah, it'd.

Speaker 2 (02:21:39):
Be fun to do this again sometimes.

Speaker 5 (02:21:41):
Okay, bye everyone, Bye guys, God everybody bless you guys.

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