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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's start this recording. Okay, So I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thank you for tuning in.
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Let's start with fair, heavenly Father, thank you for your word.
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Lord.
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Your word is sovereign, Your word is awesome, Your word
is holy to your word is so great. Lord, living alive, active,
divinely powerful. Lord, Your word saves, Your word heals, your
word gives life. Hallelujah, Holy Spirit. I pray for wisdom
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and revelation and the knowledge of God, and not just
for myself, Lord, but for those who are listening in
Jesus' name.
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I thank you for it. Hallelujah.
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So I have been spending unexpectedly sometime in Hebrews chapter twelve,
I go to a fairly early meeting once a week,
and this is a Thanksgiving weekend when I'm recording it,
and we kind of quote unquote had the week off,
as they say, and so we're given a bit of
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a homework assignment. And it's had me in some different passages,
including Hebrews thirteen, and I've really been getting a lot
out of it and really really blessed.
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Hebrews is such a good book for me.
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And I was reminded all over again as I've been
spending this time in that.
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Chapter, so.
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I may read it all the way through. I may
start speaking before I get through, because there's so much
there to see, so much there to discuss.
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Let me make sure that my volumes are looking good.
Please excuse me a moment. Okay, I think I want to.
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Turn this one up, up, up, and that one's fine. Okay,
this one's looking good, all right, great Hebrews chapter twelve. Therefore,
since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us,
let us lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which
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so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance
the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes
on Jesus, the author and perfector of faith, who, for
the joy set before him, endured the cross, despising the shame,
and has sat down at the right hand of the
throne of God. For consider him who has endured such
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hostility by sinners against himself, so that you will knock
grow weary and lose heart. I think, as I go along,
I'm going to endeavor to leave out the italicized words
that the translators put in, and so hopefully that's a
bit of a blessing to hear it in a slightly
different way from time to time. As I leave those out,
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you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood,
and you're striving against sin, and you have forgotten the
exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, My son,
do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor
faint when you are reproved by him. For those whom
the Lord loves, he disciplines, and he scourges every son
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whom he receives. I would actually like to see that
and the Young's literal. Let me pull up Bible Hub
a moment. Who know, momento, poor bubb or it's my
Texas coming out there. Okay, Bible Hub.
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All right? Hebrews twelve six glorygal ree, glorygal re Young's literal.
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Whom the Lord doth love, he doth chasten, and he
scourgeth every son whom he receiveth So it's very similar
in the literal. Okay, going back to the text, it
is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you
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as with sons. For what son is there whom Father
does not discipline. But if you are without discipline of
which all have become partakers. Then you are illegitimate children
and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us,
and we respected them. Shall we not much rather be
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subject to the father of spirits and lived. For they
disciplined us for a short time, as seemed best to them.
But he for good, that we may share his holiness.
All discipline. For the moment seems not to be joyful
but sorrowful. Yet to those who have been trained by it,
afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. Therefore, strengthen
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the hands that are weak, in the knees that are feeble,
and make straight paths for your feet, so that which
is lame may not be put.
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Out of joint, but rather be healed.
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Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which
no one will see. The Lord see to it that
no one comes short of the grace of God, that
no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by
it many be defiled. That there be excuse me that
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no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his
own birthright for a meal. For you know that even
afterward when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected,
for he found no place for repentance, though he sought
for it with tears. For you have not come to
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that which can be touched. Excuse me, for you have
not come two that can be touched. And to a
blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and
to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words,
which those who heard begged that no further word be
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spoken to them, for they could not bear the command.
If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.
So terrible was the sight. Moses said, I'm full of
fear and trembling. But you have come to Mount Zion,
and to the city of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to myriads of angels, to the general Assembly and
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Church of the first Born, who are enrolled in heaven.
And to God, the judge of all, and to the
spirits of righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator
of a new covenant, and to the sprinkle blood, which
speaks better than of able see to it. You do
not refuse him who is speaking. For if those did
not escape when they refused him who warned on earth,
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much less we who turn away from him who from heaven,
and his voice shook the earth. Then, but now he
is promising Yet once more, I was shaken, not only
the earth, but also the heaven. This yet wants more
denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken,
as of created things, so that those things which cannot
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be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we receive a kingdom
which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude by which
we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence
and awe. Our God is a consuming fire.
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Wow, that was a lot.
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That's a lot just to process in reading it, even.
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Though I've read it a number of times recently.
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First of all, I think I will that this is
not intended to be an exhaust in any way exhaustive
or even particularly I suppose in depth discussion. I hope
it will be an appropriate depth so that there's some
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effectiveness and good use of your time.
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But I think that.
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I just want to give some introduct share some introductory
thoughts in regard to this chapter.
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Okay, here we go.
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Oh and I'm going to invite some.
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Okay, here we go. Did I do that correctly? Okay?
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Still getting still getting the hang of space is just
a bit okay. So looking at the beginning.
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Of this, one of the things that I'm noticing.
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Is the respect, the opportunity for honor that is presented
by this awareness of legacy and heritage, and this connection
between the believers who already in heaven and ourselves being
on the earth, that they are witnessing our race and
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surrounding us. I'm not saying every believer that went on
to eternity. I'm saying that there are specific witnesses that
the Lord has placed to witness, survey, behold our race,
and cheer us on. And I notice that there's two
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primary encouragements, two primary.
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Responses that the Lord is looking for from us.
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One is.
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That we lay aside what.
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Hinders us, the encumbrances, the weights, the things that we
don't even need to be doing. We don't even need
to bring in that stuff with us, we don't even
need to be messing or fooling with it. As they
say in Texas. We need to let it go and
lay it aside. And the other, the second is that
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throughout the process, not only for ourselves, but for those
witnesses who are cheering us on, before they left the earth,
there was sin that entangled humans, including believers, sin that
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entangled easily. And the encouragement is, don't be entangled with
it like so many have been. Rather treat this as
something to lay aside. Lay it aside, don't keep fooling
with it, don't keep messing with it. And that those
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are the two areas where we're directed, encouraged, exhorted to
put our focus, to focus our response to this opportunity
for respect, for honor, for a sense of heritage and
purpose and direction. And that we're told we're surrounded with
so great a cloud of witnesses, so praise God for that.
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And where we are to fix our eyes is on Jesus,
the author and perfector of faith. How beautiful, how glorious.
The Word of God tells us that saving faith, the
faith for our salvation, was a gift of God. So
this is authored by the Lord Jesus and then perfected
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or developed or brought.
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To maturity by him. He is the Word.
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Of God alive, Hallelujah, alive today. And it says here
who for the joy set before him, endured the cross
which of course is the exhortation for us as well,
that we deny ourselves, take up our cross, follow after Jesus, that.
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We be reward motivated.
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There's a scripture I believe it's in Philippians, Paul's letter
to the Church at Philippi, says something like, forgetting what
lies behind, reaching forward to what lies ahead, we press
toward the mark for the upward call of God.
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That's in Christ Jesus. Amen.
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There's another verse I forgot what book it's in, maybe
in Philippians as well, but there's a verse that says
that we would lay hold of that for which Christ
Jesus has laid hold of us, hallelujah. So then it
says despising the shame and is sat down at the
right hand of the throne of God.
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So in other.
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Words, there it goes back to me that ties a
little bit in with people who speak as though we're
supposed to thank God for everything instead of thank God
in everything.
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So the word of God is true, the goodness of
God is real, the promises of God are exceeding, great
and precious, regardless of what is happening in our lives.
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So we always have to thank God, for we always
have what is exceeding great and precious. We always have
what is worthy of us rejoicing in the Lord over,
regardless of what we're going through.
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But it's obviously not appropriate to thank God for everything.
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The Lord isn't the author of everything.
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He is. Every good and perfect gift comes down from
the Father of Lights. The Bible said, says, and the
Bible says that God does not tempt any of us
with evil.
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Amen.
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He's not the author of confusion. He knows the plans
he has for us for welfare, not for calamity. These
things that are calamities trying to present themselves in our lives,
these are not authored by the Lord. This is not
part of his plan. Glory to God. We can still
thank God and rejoice in the Lord, not concerning what's
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happening to us, but concerning what he has.
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Authored for us his plan.
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He has given us his word, he has given us
his promises.
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We can be thanking God.
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For the victory of the Lord Jesus, the triumph that
he achieved in his.
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Cross over the rulers and authorities.
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Many things to thank God for in the midst of
whatever situation we find ourselves, and that to me is
related to where it says that Jesus despised the shame
of the cross.
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He did not treat this as in any other way.
That that's simply put.
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That's the best, simple, as best.
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And then he has sat down at the right hand
of the throne of God, hallelujah.
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So he's there available for us.
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It says, consider him who endured such hostility by sinners
against himself, so you.
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Will not grow weary and lose heart. Amen. Amen, we
want to.
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Do the very thing that will prevent weariness and guard
us against losing heart. It's so powerful. The word of
God tells us exactly what to do, over and over
and over. This isn't just a nice sounding saying, this
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is the way, the truth and the light.
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How do we not grow weary? How do we not
lose heart?
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We consider Jesus, who endured such hostility by sinners against himself.
There's a verse in I think it was in one
of Paul's letters to the Church at Corinth, where he's
talking about spiritual gifts, and he talks about showing mercy
with cheerfulness.
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Well, why would that be important?
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Well, because it actually gets rather wearing apart from the
equipment that the Lord gives us and the motive that
the Lord gives us. Right, the Bible says that we
should let the love of Christ control us. Another translation says,
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let the love of Christ constrain us. Another translation says,
let the love of Christ compel us. It gets apart
from doing what we do the Lord's way, it obviously
would become so demoralizing and wearying to show mercy and
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to continue to deal with the hostility of sinners. Clearly,
so glory be to God. He instructs us in his
word as to what we should do, then talks about
how you have not resisted to the point of shedding blood,
and you're striving against sin. You've forgotten the exhortation addressed
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to you as sons, My son, do not regard lightly
the discipline of the Lord, nor faint when you are
reproved by him. For those whom the Lord loves, he disciplines,
and he scourges every son.
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Whom he receives.
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Because people can be so flesh minded, I don't want
to get into this a whole bunch. I think I
want to just remember about Jesus paying the price for us,
going before us in the garden and paving the way
for this subjection of the human will to God's divine will,
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and sweating great drops of blood, and he went through
that arduous, anguish process. I don't want to go into
this much because of how minded, how oriented the flesh
people often are. One other thing I will say is
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that Mark chapter four talks about measuring the word, well,
really measuring any word, but including the word of God.
It says, take care what you hear, for by your
standard of measure, it will be measured to you, and.
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More will be given to you.
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Besides, for to him who has shall more be given.
To him who has not, even that which he has
shall be taken away. So we must measure and put
weight to the word of God accordingly, and obviously, at
least in the United States of America, there are very
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few of us who know how to do that with
appropriate gravity, appropriate skill, appropriate depth of earth, as it's
referred to in Mark chapter four.
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And when we.
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Measure the word of God, or we weight the word
of God too lightly, including as this is talking about
the disciplines, the spiritual disciplines that.
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God has for us.
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That's one of the ways when we get in to
get ourselves into trouble and we can really value and
esteem the power and potential of the spiritual disciplines that
the Word of God offers to us, and the training
that they make available, the shaping of our character that's
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available through them. Those are the things that I wanted
to mention. Okay, then it talks about how it is
for discipline that we endure, and God deals with us
as with sons, and that if we are without discipline,
then we would be illegitimate children and not sons. So
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what I want to tell and I haven't when I
just read from verse seven and eight, I did not
read the whole verses. Actually, let me just read the
whole verses just to be on the safe side. It
is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you
as with sons. For what son is there who Father
does not discipline. But if you are without discipline of
which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children
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and not sons. How many people have you met or
encountered who profess faith in God but they do not
allow His word to tell them who they are and
what they do or don't do. There's difference in between
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believing on Jesus as savior, agreeing mentally that he is
the redeemer of mankind, and submitting ourselves therefore unto God. Next,
it talks about we would much rather be subject to
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our heavenly Father, the Father of spirits, and live that
these disciplines are, so we would share his holiness. We
want to be trained by it. We want to be
trained by the Lord's disciplines, the spiritual disciplines that the
Lord has for us. We want to be partakers of
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this peaceful fruit of righteousness and not just have things
go in one ear and out the other. Reminds me
of that verse where it tells me not to be
a hearer only, but to be a doer of the word.
If I hear it and don't do it, I deceive myself.
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Okay.
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So this for me leads into.
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These next verses where it talks about strengthen the hands
that are weak, in the knees that are feeble, make
straight paths for your feet, so that which is lame
may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.
So if I'm faltering, failing, not faithful in regard to
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the spiritual disciplines that the Lord has for me. That's
indicators of weak hands, so to speak, feeble needs, so
to speak. I'm indicating that I have limbs, or I
have parts of me that are supposed to be useful, productive, strong,
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effective in their function that are lame actually, and the
Lord wants those to be healed, not put out of joint.
And the Word of God is showing me that the
way to go about this is to be trained by
these spiritual disciplines. This is what will strengthen me in
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these areas that I need it.
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I'll give a quick example.
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There's a passage that I've been on for months, like
nigh onto half a year, like almost six months maybe
that long even that I've been on, and it's Proverbs
chapter three, and there's a specific verse I was told
to emphasize. I won't get into the whole long story,
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but God wanted me to focus on that specific verse,
and it talks about how do not let kindness and
truth leave you? Bind them around your neck, write them
on the tablet of your heart so you'll find favor
and a good reputation in the sight of God and man.
So the reason I'm told to not let kindness and
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truth leave me is because if I don't make a
conscious effort to keep them close, they absolutely will leave me.
It's not the type of These aren't the type of
things that stick around automatically. These are the type of
things I have to put effort and pay attention in
order to keep them close. So this is one example
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of a spiritual discipline that as I do, it strengthens
the areas that are laying What could be some examples
of that. I just talked to somebody on the phone
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who their delivery I found irritating and annoying. So this
is somebody who's supposed to serve kind of customer service functions,
and everything from the tone of voice to the just
sort of pitch of their voice to the cadence of
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what they were saying every oh boy.
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Yeah.
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And that was an area I literally had to repent
afterwards to the Lord because I hung up quicker than
I should have and was showing my irritation in ways
I shouldn't have, because I was not strengthened yet by
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faithfully executing this spiritual discipline. So there was that lameness still,
and the healing hadn't hasn't been fully brought forth as needed.
There's many situations where I've been able to keep it together,
and that's good. It's good to have progress. But when
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I see these indicators and in order to we can't
really see them, at least in my life. The Bible
says that the Word of God is a lamp to
our feet and a light to our path, that is
Psalm one hundred and nineteen, verse one oh five. And
so I need the Word of God to provide that
illumination to even see what is going on, not otherwise
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I get conformed to this world and I don't have
that mind renewal to recognize things according to eternal life
and the Holy Spirit, et cetera. Okay, so then it
talks about pursue peace with all men and the sanctification,
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without which no one will see the Lord.
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So how do I want to say this?
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Basically, there's a lie that is floated around some that
we'll get to see the Lord simply because we are saved,
simply because we've chosen to believe in him. That's it.
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We're going to see him. But the Bible says that
blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see
God and it's a deception of our own heart to
assume to conclude I'm here in heart instead of measuring
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and judging ourselves and measuring and evaluating repeatedly.
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To see if we be in the faith.
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So this is saying that the target is that we
would see God. The route is sanctification and for us
to pursue peace with all men.
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But I can't even do.
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That unless through spiritual disciplines that the Lord has for me,
my areas of lameness are healed instead of being put
out of joint.
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Hopefully that makes sense.
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Then see to do what No one comes short of
the grace of God. I won't get into it right now,
but there's a literal verse that talks about how the
grace of God is received by faith. So anybody that's
acting like I just automatically get the grace of God,
he just get. No, No, that's not how it works.
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Whatever they may be talking about is if it's not
received by faith, it's not what the Bible says.
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The grace of God is. The grace of God.
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Is received by faith, that no root of bitterness springing
up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled. There
are so many directions to go in in regard to
the root of bitterness. Two of the main ones I
have noticed are offense at the Word or offense at
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the Lord, and offense at other people. And often in
my expe seiances has to do with unmet expectations and
things like that, lack of awareness of what's actually promised
in the Word, distorted expectations of other people, vastly unrealistic,
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not aligned with the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the
Great Commission, etc. If you don't know what the Great
Commission is, it's discussed at the end of the Book
of Mark, at the end of the Gospel of Matthew
talking about what believers are supposed to do now that
Jesus has gone to Heaven, which in summary is a
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detailed to do list regarding preaching the Gospel and making disciples. Okay,
moving on, Oh yes, yes, So.
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One of the things that offense.
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At the Lord or at other people can lead to,
and same thing of the defiling that is warning against
this can lead.
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To people.
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Engaging in the system of this world and depending upon
it rather than participating in the Kingdom of God, kind
of like motivation or some type of paving of the
road to find an alternative, to pursue.
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Something else whereby to live, and it talks about.
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How selling our birthright for a meal is a reflection
of being immoral, godless.
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Thinks this is going to become increasingly.
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Important over time to remember that the handouts through the
system of this world are very short term in nature.
The promises aren't fulfilled. Okay, then it's taught. It reminds
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us that Esau wanted to inherit the blessing after that,
but he found no place for repentance that we sought
for it with tears. When he was looking for the
place of repentance, what was he looking for? He was
looking for the training of by the disciplines of the Lord,
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yielding the fruit, the peaceful fruit of righteousness. He was
looking for the capacity city for making straight paths. He
was looking for the capacity for healed lame areas and
feeble areas, looking for the capacity for the sanctification without
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which no one will see the Lord. But he wasn't
finding that because well, he didn't really want it. He
maybe wanted the results, but he didn't want the process.
And we don't come to want the process by crying
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over it. It's kind of like acquiring a taste for something.
I was sharing recently with a friend and prayer partner
about how in ancient times the way that they would
train children, So there was all of this type of
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diet in the biblical times that we have now, there
was no like quote unquote baby food. There was the
women would nurse their young, and then the next thing
was solid food, and that was meat.
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That's that's what that was. So when they would need.
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To introduce solid food, of course, they couldn't give the
child the meat as they would eat it. So they
would chew, chew, chew the meat first and then put
a small amount of what they chewed into the baby's
mouth and the baby would get it down and not
only get the nutrition, but acquire a taste over time.
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And so it is with the meat of the Word.
We come off the sincere milk of the Word and
we begin to get into the meat of the Word.
And as we are receiving through the five fold ministry
gifts sound doctrine, we are getting the pre chewed up
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meat of the Word, and it helps us to acquire
a taste for it, to dig it for ourselves.
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In our own time. And so.
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We train and we prepare, and we prepare like a palette,
an appetite for these things as we participate in them
over time, that consistency, that diligence.
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So moving on.
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So there's this really good warning about remembering what encountering
the Kingdom of God was like for the Israelites and
the Old Testament that it involved what could be touched.
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It involved blazing fire, darkness, gloom, whirlwind, blast of trumpet,
sound of words. Those who heard beg no further were
bespoken to them, couldn't bear the command their leader, Moses,
I'm full of fear and trembling, terrible sight. So we're
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being reminded of these things because reverence is so important.
It's kind of like when Jesus was teaching and he
was explaining that it's not enough just to not actually
murder somebody. If you hate them in your heart, that's
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the same thing as murder them. You're guilty of murder
out of hating them in your heart, just the same
as if you physically killed them. So Jesus was talking
with people about the depth of work that God wants
to do, the depth of work, the depth of salvation
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process that's needed. The workspased righteousness.
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It was.
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Not It was not adequate because we've all fallen short
of the glory of God. If we disobeyed the law
in one thing, we're guilty of disobeying all of it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So hang on a moment. Sorry, my phone had a
little issue.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, So when when he talked about adult he was
explaining it's it's not enough to just say well, it.
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Didn't actually physically do the deed. He said, if you've.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Looked with someone to lust after them, you've already committed
adultery with them in your heart. You're guilty the same
as if you, quote unquote did the deed.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
So these are.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
These are things to understand the deeper work and the
deeper issues of redemption. That it's not simply about the
outward action or the appearance of things. The Lord is
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going to bring every thought, word, deed into judgment. So
this is talking about along the same lines, this is
explaining that we need in this new Covenant, we need
as these new creations in Christ Jesus, we need to
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perceive that now we have access to what is really
going on, the greater the we are. We have now
access to these things from heaven. We it's important because
we are commanded to live by faith. It's important to
understand that we're supposed to not need blazing fire, darkness, gloom,
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and whirlwind in order to get us to move basically
in whatever direction. We're supposed to not need the sound
of words which such, which was such. The those who
heard beg no further word be spoken to them. We're
not supposed to need terrible sights. We're not supposed to
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need to be full of fear and trembling. After the natural,
the Lord is giving us an opera opportunity to consider
the eternal, the heavenly, and to believe and to live accordingly.
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That we have come to Mount Zion, City of the
Living God, Heavenly Jerusalem, Myriads of Angels. Sometimes people think
of angels in terms of what the angels can do
for us, but I think the larger picture is that
angels of God are doing what God wants, regardless of
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where and when and how to the general Assembly Church
of the Firstborn, who are enrolled in Heaven, who've come
to God, the judge of all spirits of righteous made perfect, Jesus,
the mediator of a new Covenant, the sprinkle blood, which
speaks better than of able. We're being invited to believe
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and live according to the greater opportunity, to participate in
the heavenly, to partake in the spiritual, and not remain
waiting for the manifestations according to the flesh, the manifestations
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to try and.
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Dazzle or move.
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From the out from the outward, from the outside. And
the summarizing statement to me is see to it that
you do not refuse him who is speaking. That I've
literally have that highlighted in my Bible because I want
to keep before my eyes this is what God is
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telling me, don't refuse him, that he is speaking through
his word. And I'm looking at what it's talking about
about shaking those things which can be shaken, that those
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things which cannot be shaken may remain. I think the
only thing I want to say about that for right
now is that it really is a kindness to us,
this shaking, because it's very evident that humanity, including those
of us who are believers, we clearly need the help of.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It being made plain.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
What are those things which cannot be shaken which remain.
Next talks about showing gratitude since we're receiving a kingdom
which cannot be shaken. Yeah, there are many people, over
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the years of my life and over my walk with
God that I have heard talk about what a powerful
element of getting started in the right direction thanksgiving and
gratitude is actually saying thank you, actually thanking God, and
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actually considering how to demonstrate our gratitude.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
For Jesus and what He's done.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
These are powerful aspects to get us straightened out and
headed in the right direction and line us up to
be receiving more grace, more strength, more wisdom. Yes, I
like how it says we may offer to God and
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accept service with reverence and awe. Reverence and awe is
necessary for me in order for my service to be
acceptable to God.
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Ego.
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My ego just doesn't have any place in it. Then
it says, for our God is a consuming fire.
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Glory to God. Hallelujah. How awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
So thank you so much for listening. It was great
to have you guys. I appreciate it.
Let's start this recording. Okay, So I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thank you for tuning in.
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Let's start with fair, heavenly Father, thank you for your word.
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Lord.
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Your word is sovereign, Your word is awesome, Your word
is holy to your word is so great. Lord, living alive, active,
divinely powerful. Lord, Your word saves, Your word heals, your
word gives life. Hallelujah, Holy Spirit. I pray for wisdom
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and revelation and the knowledge of God, and not just
for myself, Lord, but for those who are listening in
Jesus' name.
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I thank you for it. Hallelujah.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So I have been spending unexpectedly sometime in Hebrews chapter twelve,
I go to a fairly early meeting once a week,
and this is a Thanksgiving weekend when I'm recording it,
and we kind of quote unquote had the week off,
as they say, and so we're given a bit of
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a homework assignment. And it's had me in some different passages,
including Hebrews thirteen, and I've really been getting a lot
out of it and really really blessed.
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Hebrews is such a good book for me.
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And I was reminded all over again as I've been
spending this time in that.
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Chapter, so.
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I may read it all the way through. I may
start speaking before I get through, because there's so much
there to see, so much there to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Let me make sure that my volumes are looking good.
Please excuse me a moment. Okay, I think I want to.
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Turn this one up, up, up, and that one's fine. Okay,
this one's looking good, all right, great Hebrews chapter twelve. Therefore,
since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us,
let us lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which
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so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance
the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes
on Jesus, the author and perfector of faith, who, for
the joy set before him, endured the cross, despising the shame,
and has sat down at the right hand of the
throne of God. For consider him who has endured such
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hostility by sinners against himself, so that you will knock
grow weary and lose heart. I think, as I go along,
I'm going to endeavor to leave out the italicized words
that the translators put in, and so hopefully that's a
bit of a blessing to hear it in a slightly
different way from time to time. As I leave those out,
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you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood,
and you're striving against sin, and you have forgotten the
exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, My son,
do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor
faint when you are reproved by him. For those whom
the Lord loves, he disciplines, and he scourges every son
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whom he receives. I would actually like to see that
and the Young's literal. Let me pull up Bible Hub
a moment. Who know, momento, poor bubb or it's my
Texas coming out there. Okay, Bible Hub.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
All right? Hebrews twelve six glorygal ree, glorygal re Young's literal.
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Whom the Lord doth love, he doth chasten, and he
scourgeth every son whom he receiveth So it's very similar
in the literal. Okay, going back to the text, it
is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you
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as with sons. For what son is there whom Father
does not discipline. But if you are without discipline of
which all have become partakers. Then you are illegitimate children
and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us,
and we respected them. Shall we not much rather be
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subject to the father of spirits and lived. For they
disciplined us for a short time, as seemed best to them.
But he for good, that we may share his holiness.
All discipline. For the moment seems not to be joyful
but sorrowful. Yet to those who have been trained by it,
afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. Therefore, strengthen
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the hands that are weak, in the knees that are feeble,
and make straight paths for your feet, so that which
is lame may not be put.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Out of joint, but rather be healed.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which
no one will see. The Lord see to it that
no one comes short of the grace of God, that
no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by
it many be defiled. That there be excuse me that
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no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his
own birthright for a meal. For you know that even
afterward when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected,
for he found no place for repentance, though he sought
for it with tears. For you have not come to
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that which can be touched. Excuse me, for you have
not come two that can be touched. And to a
blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and
to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words,
which those who heard begged that no further word be
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spoken to them, for they could not bear the command.
If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.
So terrible was the sight. Moses said, I'm full of
fear and trembling. But you have come to Mount Zion,
and to the city of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to myriads of angels, to the general Assembly and
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Church of the first Born, who are enrolled in heaven.
And to God, the judge of all, and to the
spirits of righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator
of a new covenant, and to the sprinkle blood, which
speaks better than of able see to it. You do
not refuse him who is speaking. For if those did
not escape when they refused him who warned on earth,
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much less we who turn away from him who from heaven,
and his voice shook the earth. Then, but now he
is promising Yet once more, I was shaken, not only
the earth, but also the heaven. This yet wants more
denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken,
as of created things, so that those things which cannot
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be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we receive a kingdom
which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude by which
we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence
and awe. Our God is a consuming fire.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Wow, that was a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's a lot just to process in reading it, even.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Though I've read it a number of times recently.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
First of all, I think I will that this is
not intended to be an exhaust in any way exhaustive
or even particularly I suppose in depth discussion. I hope
it will be an appropriate depth so that there's some
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effectiveness and good use of your time.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But I think that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I just want to give some introduct share some introductory
thoughts in regard to this chapter.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh and I'm going to invite some.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Okay, here we go. Did I do that correctly? Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Still getting still getting the hang of space is just
a bit okay. So looking at the beginning.
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Of this, one of the things that I'm noticing.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is the respect, the opportunity for honor that is presented
by this awareness of legacy and heritage, and this connection
between the believers who already in heaven and ourselves being
on the earth, that they are witnessing our race and
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surrounding us. I'm not saying every believer that went on
to eternity. I'm saying that there are specific witnesses that
the Lord has placed to witness, survey, behold our race,
and cheer us on. And I notice that there's two
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primary encouragements, two primary.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Responses that the Lord is looking for from us.
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One is.
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That we lay aside what.
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Hinders us, the encumbrances, the weights, the things that we
don't even need to be doing. We don't even need
to bring in that stuff with us, we don't even
need to be messing or fooling with it. As they
say in Texas. We need to let it go and
lay it aside. And the other, the second is that
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throughout the process, not only for ourselves, but for those
witnesses who are cheering us on, before they left the earth,
there was sin that entangled humans, including believers, sin that
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entangled easily. And the encouragement is, don't be entangled with
it like so many have been. Rather treat this as
something to lay aside. Lay it aside, don't keep fooling
with it, don't keep messing with it. And that those
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are the two areas where we're directed, encouraged, exhorted to
put our focus, to focus our response to this opportunity
for respect, for honor, for a sense of heritage and
purpose and direction. And that we're told we're surrounded with
so great a cloud of witnesses, so praise God for that.
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And where we are to fix our eyes is on Jesus,
the author and perfector of faith. How beautiful, how glorious.
The Word of God tells us that saving faith, the
faith for our salvation, was a gift of God. So
this is authored by the Lord Jesus and then perfected
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or developed or brought.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
To maturity by him. He is the Word.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Of God alive, Hallelujah, alive today. And it says here
who for the joy set before him, endured the cross
which of course is the exhortation for us as well,
that we deny ourselves, take up our cross, follow after Jesus, that.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We be reward motivated.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
There's a scripture I believe it's in Philippians, Paul's letter
to the Church at Philippi, says something like, forgetting what
lies behind, reaching forward to what lies ahead, we press
toward the mark for the upward call of God.
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That's in Christ Jesus. Amen.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
There's another verse I forgot what book it's in, maybe
in Philippians as well, but there's a verse that says
that we would lay hold of that for which Christ
Jesus has laid hold of us, hallelujah. So then it
says despising the shame and is sat down at the
right hand of the throne of God.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So in other.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Words, there it goes back to me that ties a
little bit in with people who speak as though we're
supposed to thank God for everything instead of thank God
in everything.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
So the word of God is true, the goodness of
God is real, the promises of God are exceeding, great
and precious, regardless of what is happening in our lives.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
So we always have to thank God, for we always
have what is exceeding great and precious. We always have
what is worthy of us rejoicing in the Lord over,
regardless of what we're going through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But it's obviously not appropriate to thank God for everything.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
The Lord isn't the author of everything.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
He is. Every good and perfect gift comes down from
the Father of Lights. The Bible said, says, and the
Bible says that God does not tempt any of us
with evil.
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Amen.
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He's not the author of confusion. He knows the plans
he has for us for welfare, not for calamity. These
things that are calamities trying to present themselves in our lives,
these are not authored by the Lord. This is not
part of his plan. Glory to God. We can still
thank God and rejoice in the Lord, not concerning what's
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happening to us, but concerning what he has.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Authored for us his plan.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
He has given us his word, he has given us
his promises.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
We can be thanking God.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
For the victory of the Lord Jesus, the triumph that
he achieved in his.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Cross over the rulers and authorities.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Many things to thank God for in the midst of
whatever situation we find ourselves, and that to me is
related to where it says that Jesus despised the shame
of the cross.
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He did not treat this as in any other way.
That that's simply put.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's the best, simple, as best.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And then he has sat down at the right hand
of the throne of God, hallelujah.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So he's there available for us.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
It says, consider him who endured such hostility by sinners
against himself, so you.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Will not grow weary and lose heart. Amen. Amen, we
want to.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Do the very thing that will prevent weariness and guard
us against losing heart. It's so powerful. The word of
God tells us exactly what to do, over and over
and over. This isn't just a nice sounding saying, this
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is the way, the truth and the light.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
How do we not grow weary? How do we not
lose heart?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
We consider Jesus, who endured such hostility by sinners against himself.
There's a verse in I think it was in one
of Paul's letters to the Church at Corinth, where he's
talking about spiritual gifts, and he talks about showing mercy
with cheerfulness.
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Well, why would that be important?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Well, because it actually gets rather wearing apart from the
equipment that the Lord gives us and the motive that
the Lord gives us. Right, the Bible says that we
should let the love of Christ control us. Another translation says,
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let the love of Christ constrain us. Another translation says,
let the love of Christ compel us. It gets apart
from doing what we do the Lord's way, it obviously
would become so demoralizing and wearying to show mercy and
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to continue to deal with the hostility of sinners. Clearly,
so glory be to God. He instructs us in his
word as to what we should do, then talks about
how you have not resisted to the point of shedding blood,
and you're striving against sin. You've forgotten the exhortation addressed
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to you as sons, My son, do not regard lightly
the discipline of the Lord, nor faint when you are
reproved by him. For those whom the Lord loves, he disciplines,
and he scourges every son.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Whom he receives.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Because people can be so flesh minded, I don't want
to get into this a whole bunch. I think I
want to just remember about Jesus paying the price for us,
going before us in the garden and paving the way
for this subjection of the human will to God's divine will,
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and sweating great drops of blood, and he went through
that arduous, anguish process. I don't want to go into
this much because of how minded, how oriented the flesh
people often are. One other thing I will say is
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that Mark chapter four talks about measuring the word, well,
really measuring any word, but including the word of God.
It says, take care what you hear, for by your
standard of measure, it will be measured to you, and.
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More will be given to you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Besides, for to him who has shall more be given.
To him who has not, even that which he has
shall be taken away. So we must measure and put
weight to the word of God accordingly, and obviously, at
least in the United States of America, there are very
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few of us who know how to do that with
appropriate gravity, appropriate skill, appropriate depth of earth, as it's
referred to in Mark chapter four.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And when we.
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Measure the word of God, or we weight the word
of God too lightly, including as this is talking about
the disciplines, the spiritual disciplines that.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
God has for us.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's one of the ways when we get in to
get ourselves into trouble and we can really value and
esteem the power and potential of the spiritual disciplines that
the Word of God offers to us, and the training
that they make available, the shaping of our character that's
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available through them. Those are the things that I wanted
to mention. Okay, then it talks about how it is
for discipline that we endure, and God deals with us
as with sons, and that if we are without discipline,
then we would be illegitimate children and not sons. So
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what I want to tell and I haven't when I
just read from verse seven and eight, I did not
read the whole verses. Actually, let me just read the
whole verses just to be on the safe side. It
is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you
as with sons. For what son is there who Father
does not discipline. But if you are without discipline of
which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children
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and not sons. How many people have you met or
encountered who profess faith in God but they do not
allow His word to tell them who they are and
what they do or don't do. There's difference in between
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believing on Jesus as savior, agreeing mentally that he is
the redeemer of mankind, and submitting ourselves therefore unto God. Next,
it talks about we would much rather be subject to
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our heavenly Father, the Father of spirits, and live that
these disciplines are, so we would share his holiness. We
want to be trained by it. We want to be
trained by the Lord's disciplines, the spiritual disciplines that the
Lord has for us. We want to be partakers of
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this peaceful fruit of righteousness and not just have things
go in one ear and out the other. Reminds me
of that verse where it tells me not to be
a hearer only, but to be a doer of the word.
If I hear it and don't do it, I deceive myself.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay.
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So this for me leads into.
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These next verses where it talks about strengthen the hands
that are weak, in the knees that are feeble, make
straight paths for your feet, so that which is lame
may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.
So if I'm faltering, failing, not faithful in regard to
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the spiritual disciplines that the Lord has for me. That's
indicators of weak hands, so to speak, feeble needs, so
to speak. I'm indicating that I have limbs, or I
have parts of me that are supposed to be useful, productive, strong,
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effective in their function that are lame actually, and the
Lord wants those to be healed, not put out of joint.
And the Word of God is showing me that the
way to go about this is to be trained by
these spiritual disciplines. This is what will strengthen me in
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these areas that I need it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'll give a quick example.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
There's a passage that I've been on for months, like
nigh onto half a year, like almost six months maybe
that long even that I've been on, and it's Proverbs
chapter three, and there's a specific verse I was told
to emphasize. I won't get into the whole long story,
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but God wanted me to focus on that specific verse,
and it talks about how do not let kindness and
truth leave you? Bind them around your neck, write them
on the tablet of your heart so you'll find favor
and a good reputation in the sight of God and man.
So the reason I'm told to not let kindness and
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truth leave me is because if I don't make a
conscious effort to keep them close, they absolutely will leave me.
It's not the type of These aren't the type of
things that stick around automatically. These are the type of
things I have to put effort and pay attention in
order to keep them close. So this is one example
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of a spiritual discipline that as I do, it strengthens
the areas that are laying What could be some examples
of that. I just talked to somebody on the phone
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who their delivery I found irritating and annoying. So this
is somebody who's supposed to serve kind of customer service functions,
and everything from the tone of voice to the just
sort of pitch of their voice to the cadence of
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what they were saying every oh boy.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And that was an area I literally had to repent
afterwards to the Lord because I hung up quicker than
I should have and was showing my irritation in ways
I shouldn't have, because I was not strengthened yet by
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faithfully executing this spiritual discipline. So there was that lameness still,
and the healing hadn't hasn't been fully brought forth as needed.
There's many situations where I've been able to keep it together,
and that's good. It's good to have progress. But when
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I see these indicators and in order to we can't
really see them, at least in my life. The Bible
says that the Word of God is a lamp to
our feet and a light to our path, that is
Psalm one hundred and nineteen, verse one oh five. And
so I need the Word of God to provide that
illumination to even see what is going on, not otherwise
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I get conformed to this world and I don't have
that mind renewal to recognize things according to eternal life
and the Holy Spirit, et cetera. Okay, so then it
talks about pursue peace with all men and the sanctification,
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without which no one will see the Lord.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So how do I want to say this?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Basically, there's a lie that is floated around some that
we'll get to see the Lord simply because we are saved,
simply because we've chosen to believe in him. That's it.
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We're going to see him. But the Bible says that
blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see
God and it's a deception of our own heart to
assume to conclude I'm here in heart instead of measuring
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and judging ourselves and measuring and evaluating repeatedly.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
To see if we be in the faith.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So this is saying that the target is that we
would see God. The route is sanctification and for us
to pursue peace with all men.
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But I can't even do.
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That unless through spiritual disciplines that the Lord has for me,
my areas of lameness are healed instead of being put
out of joint.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Hopefully that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Then see to do what No one comes short of
the grace of God. I won't get into it right now,
but there's a literal verse that talks about how the
grace of God is received by faith. So anybody that's
acting like I just automatically get the grace of God,
he just get. No, No, that's not how it works.
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Whatever they may be talking about is if it's not
received by faith, it's not what the Bible says.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
The grace of God is. The grace of God.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Is received by faith, that no root of bitterness springing
up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled. There
are so many directions to go in in regard to
the root of bitterness. Two of the main ones I
have noticed are offense at the Word or offense at
(29:53):
the Lord, and offense at other people. And often in
my expe seiances has to do with unmet expectations and
things like that, lack of awareness of what's actually promised
in the Word, distorted expectations of other people, vastly unrealistic,
(30:17):
not aligned with the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the
Great Commission, etc. If you don't know what the Great
Commission is, it's discussed at the end of the Book
of Mark, at the end of the Gospel of Matthew
talking about what believers are supposed to do now that
Jesus has gone to Heaven, which in summary is a
(30:41):
detailed to do list regarding preaching the Gospel and making disciples. Okay,
moving on, Oh yes, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
One of the things that offense.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
At the Lord or at other people can lead to,
and same thing of the defiling that is warning against
this can lead.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
To people.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Engaging in the system of this world and depending upon
it rather than participating in the Kingdom of God, kind
of like motivation or some type of paving of the
road to find an alternative, to pursue.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Something else whereby to live, and it talks about.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
How selling our birthright for a meal is a reflection
of being immoral, godless.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Thinks this is going to become increasingly.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Important over time to remember that the handouts through the
system of this world are very short term in nature.
The promises aren't fulfilled. Okay, then it's taught. It reminds
(32:29):
us that Esau wanted to inherit the blessing after that,
but he found no place for repentance that we sought
for it with tears. When he was looking for the
place of repentance, what was he looking for? He was
looking for the training of by the disciplines of the Lord,
(32:52):
yielding the fruit, the peaceful fruit of righteousness. He was
looking for the capacity city for making straight paths. He
was looking for the capacity for healed lame areas and
feeble areas, looking for the capacity for the sanctification without
(33:18):
which no one will see the Lord. But he wasn't
finding that because well, he didn't really want it. He
maybe wanted the results, but he didn't want the process.
And we don't come to want the process by crying
(33:40):
over it. It's kind of like acquiring a taste for something.
I was sharing recently with a friend and prayer partner
about how in ancient times the way that they would
train children, So there was all of this type of
(34:02):
diet in the biblical times that we have now, there
was no like quote unquote baby food. There was the
women would nurse their young, and then the next thing
was solid food, and that was meat.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
That's that's what that was. So when they would need.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
To introduce solid food, of course, they couldn't give the
child the meat as they would eat it. So they
would chew, chew, chew the meat first and then put
a small amount of what they chewed into the baby's
mouth and the baby would get it down and not
only get the nutrition, but acquire a taste over time.
(34:47):
And so it is with the meat of the Word.
We come off the sincere milk of the Word and
we begin to get into the meat of the Word.
And as we are receiving through the five fold ministry
gifts sound doctrine, we are getting the pre chewed up
(35:10):
meat of the Word, and it helps us to acquire
a taste for it, to dig it for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
In our own time. And so.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
We train and we prepare, and we prepare like a palette,
an appetite for these things as we participate in them
over time, that consistency, that diligence.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
So moving on.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So there's this really good warning about remembering what encountering
the Kingdom of God was like for the Israelites and
the Old Testament that it involved what could be touched.
(36:12):
It involved blazing fire, darkness, gloom, whirlwind, blast of trumpet,
sound of words. Those who heard beg no further were
bespoken to them, couldn't bear the command their leader, Moses,
I'm full of fear and trembling, terrible sight. So we're
(36:35):
being reminded of these things because reverence is so important.
It's kind of like when Jesus was teaching and he
was explaining that it's not enough just to not actually
murder somebody. If you hate them in your heart, that's
(36:58):
the same thing as murder them. You're guilty of murder
out of hating them in your heart, just the same
as if you physically killed them. So Jesus was talking
with people about the depth of work that God wants
to do, the depth of work, the depth of salvation
(37:21):
process that's needed. The workspased righteousness.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
It was.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Not It was not adequate because we've all fallen short
of the glory of God. If we disobeyed the law
in one thing, we're guilty of disobeying all of it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So hang on a moment. Sorry, my phone had a
little issue.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, So when when he talked about adult he was
explaining it's it's not enough to just say well, it.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Didn't actually physically do the deed. He said, if you've.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Looked with someone to lust after them, you've already committed
adultery with them in your heart. You're guilty the same
as if you, quote unquote did the deed.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
So these are.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
These are things to understand the deeper work and the
deeper issues of redemption. That it's not simply about the
outward action or the appearance of things. The Lord is
(38:46):
going to bring every thought, word, deed into judgment. So
this is talking about along the same lines, this is
explaining that we need in this new Covenant, we need
as these new creations in Christ Jesus, we need to
(39:06):
perceive that now we have access to what is really
going on, the greater the we are. We have now
access to these things from heaven. We it's important because
we are commanded to live by faith. It's important to
understand that we're supposed to not need blazing fire, darkness, gloom,
(39:32):
and whirlwind in order to get us to move basically
in whatever direction. We're supposed to not need the sound
of words which such, which was such. The those who
heard beg no further word be spoken to them. We're
not supposed to need terrible sights. We're not supposed to
(39:52):
need to be full of fear and trembling. After the natural,
the Lord is giving us an opera opportunity to consider
the eternal, the heavenly, and to believe and to live accordingly.
(40:12):
That we have come to Mount Zion, City of the
Living God, Heavenly Jerusalem, Myriads of Angels. Sometimes people think
of angels in terms of what the angels can do
for us, but I think the larger picture is that
angels of God are doing what God wants, regardless of
(40:33):
where and when and how to the general Assembly Church
of the Firstborn, who are enrolled in Heaven, who've come
to God, the judge of all spirits of righteous made perfect, Jesus,
the mediator of a new Covenant, the sprinkle blood, which
speaks better than of able. We're being invited to believe
(41:00):
and live according to the greater opportunity, to participate in
the heavenly, to partake in the spiritual, and not remain
waiting for the manifestations according to the flesh, the manifestations
(41:25):
to try and.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Dazzle or move.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
From the out from the outward, from the outside. And
the summarizing statement to me is see to it that
you do not refuse him who is speaking. That I've
literally have that highlighted in my Bible because I want
to keep before my eyes this is what God is
(41:52):
telling me, don't refuse him, that he is speaking through
his word. And I'm looking at what it's talking about
about shaking those things which can be shaken, that those
(42:16):
things which cannot be shaken may remain. I think the
only thing I want to say about that for right
now is that it really is a kindness to us,
this shaking, because it's very evident that humanity, including those
of us who are believers, we clearly need the help of.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It being made plain.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
What are those things which cannot be shaken which remain.
Next talks about showing gratitude since we're receiving a kingdom
which cannot be shaken. Yeah, there are many people, over
(43:06):
the years of my life and over my walk with
God that I have heard talk about what a powerful
element of getting started in the right direction thanksgiving and
gratitude is actually saying thank you, actually thanking God, and
(43:31):
actually considering how to demonstrate our gratitude.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
For Jesus and what He's done.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
These are powerful aspects to get us straightened out and
headed in the right direction and line us up to
be receiving more grace, more strength, more wisdom. Yes, I
like how it says we may offer to God and
(43:59):
accept service with reverence and awe. Reverence and awe is
necessary for me in order for my service to be
acceptable to God.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Ego.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
My ego just doesn't have any place in it. Then
it says, for our God is a consuming fire.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Glory to God. Hallelujah. How awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
So thank you so much for listening. It was great
to have you guys. I appreciate it.
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