E225 Ryan Patrick Burns & Gary May McGill – ROSWELL INCIDENT JULY 1947 - Quantum Guides Show with Karen Holton

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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Everybody, Welcome back to the Quantum Guide Show today. Very
happy to bring back my insightful panel with Ryan Patrick
Burns and Gary Michael May Miguel. Before we start, for
those of you who are not familiar, let me tell
you a little bit about them. Ryan Patrick Burns began

(01:16):
researching the You and Toad Basin and the mysterious Skinwalker
Ranch years ago, but when his passion for answers could
no longer be quenched, he left his corporate job in
Salt Lake City and moved to the desolate and remote
Basin to investigate the ranch full time. Ryan now owns
property overlooking the ranch and he hosts the popular podcast

(01:39):
Hero Paranormal and he's also written about his experiences investigating Skinwalker.
Gary Michael May McGill is an American actor, entertainer, singer, songwriter, filmmaker, comedian, producer, editor, activist,
psychic medium, and his mission is to spread love into

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the universe. His YouTube channel is called Camp g May
and it is an original music video jukebox, an elaborate
mixture of Gary Michael May and Tribe Sunshine. Gary Michael
May Miguel also hosts an Open Mike Jam live stream
seven pm to midnight PST every Saturday night. Everyone is

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welcome to play a tune on the Open Mike Virtual Stage.
Just hang out and make some friends, camp Gmy and Gary.
Michael also hosts live virtual festivals and concerts and he
is always looking for new artists to join and collaborate. Today,
we're going to talk about Roswell, the incident of July

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And we're just waiting for Ryan, but I'm happy to
bring on.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Gee.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
How you doing, Gary, Nice to see you again.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm doing fantastic. Karen, it's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Ah, it's a pleasure to have you as always. I
am always look forward to the panels that we do.
And oh there's Ryan. He's coming along. He's putting on
his headphones. Awesome. Hey Ryan, nice to see you. Sorry,
I'm rushing, you aren't.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I no, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Good to see you, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Good to see you, Gary.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
How are you fantastic?

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So today we're dream Sorry, today we're going to talk
about the Roswell crash of nineteen forty seven. I know
it's been talked about a lot, but with new information
that comes out, and of course we have different perspectives,
so it's always very interesting to delve into it. And

(04:24):
Gary's done a lot of work getting images ready to
bring on the screen a little later, and Gary, I'll
let just let you bring on the images as you
see fit. And just wondering what I know about Roswell
is basically something crashed in nineteen forty seven, and the

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papers first came out and said, oh, it's a flying saucer.
We found a flying saucer. I know, the image I
have for the show is not a flying saucer. I
used the egg since it has become really popular. We
don't really know if it was a saucer or an egg, actually,
right do we? So then the next day it got

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sanitized and they said, oh, it's uh, it's just a
weather balloon. Nothing to see here. It's what they've been saying,
you know, for almost one hundred years, nothing to see here.
But Gary, do you want to talk a bit about
your take on the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know, when it comes to Roswell, it's like even
to this day, when you like look it up and
you go to Winnipegia, they still claim that there never
was a UFO that crashed and that it was a
weather balloon. You know, this guy right here right this
tinfoil weather balloon, which is kind of crazy because everyone

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knows that that's not the case. You know, people were recording,
like there's a German people were reporting about it all
over the world. The cat was out of the bag,
and then they just really tried to back battle on
the whole thing, you know. But yeah, I mean it's

(06:17):
so obvious that that wasn't true.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know, there's more of the story. I bet Ryan
you've got some gems to offer regarding Roswell.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know, I don't know. I am a lot like
everyone else in that there's a lot of synchronicities there.
I've gone out and researched the debris field, one of
the debris fields. Of course, there's the Corona, then there's

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the anyway, there's multiple sites, right, and I found some
things with some researchers. Among those things, I have it
in my office here actually is a circa nineteen forty
seven military issue belt buckle that this is a mountainous

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particular area, particularly mountainous area where we were looking, and
there was no real reason for military to be in
that area. And what I've been told by people that
are more experts about this case than I am is
that there was an extreme cleanup effort after they came through.

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And so to find a military belt buckle that is
right there where one of these debris fields allegedly was
is either highly synchronistic or just a coincidence. And I
think it's also coincidental that twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven,

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so that would have been man well the same year,
Private pilot Kenneth Arnold was the first guy to kind
of coin that term flying saucer when he saw these
things sort of skipping along. And then of course we
have the flying disc and the Roswell incident with the

(08:28):
recovery of debris near Roswell, New Mexico. So I don't
think it was swamp gas. I think we recovered something
and I think that it may have a lot more
to do with a lot of stuff that people aren't
willing to look at.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yep. I mean, I myself don't really know what to believe.
But what I do tend to believe is people who
have been in military, they're highly trained, highly skilled individuals.
They're not the kind of folks that make stuff up.

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They can't because their job and their career depends on accuracy,
and they don't, you know, they're not fabricators of reality.
They're very much this is what I saw. This is
you know, what happened, And there have been enough of
them who have come forward and talked about that this

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was a real thing. So whether it was a UFO
or whether it was some kind of a trans dimensional apparatus,
who knows. There's enough military people who have come forward
some later rather than sooner because they were under I
guess NDAs, and their career would be jeopardized if they started,

(09:59):
you no, telling everybody, And you know, I believe what
they say. I don't think they would make it up.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
They're not that sort, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
And so that's sort of my take on it. I
think it was a real thing. I think it was,
But course I don't have proof.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, you know, there's no doubt that when you take
a look at history and you take a look at
nineteen forty seven, nineteen twenty, the eighteen hundreds, the seventeen hundred,
and go back at thousand years and another thousand, all

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of a sudden we have come late seventies. We have
this huge influx of technology like it just came from nowhere.
No it didn't. It come from the UFOs that crashed
and they got the information from I mean, that's what
I believe, fiber optics, laser digital medium, led display, integrated

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circuit board. I mean, the list just goes on and on.
And the crazy thing about it is they actually sat
on it for a while and compartmentalized it all, okay,
and one percent in control of it all. And it
all starts with the Worldwide Web, you know, in the

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sense that anything that is put on the World Wide
Web is controlled by DARPA and the Pentagon. Those are
the people that c funded it. You know, they gave
the they compartmentalized the informations out to the companies that

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they had on their own back market, and then they
put these puppets on it. Like when you look at Facebook,
or x or any of these platforms that are actually
on the Internet. Those are just puppet faces because the government,
even though it's on the Internet, the government can go
in there and manipulate it and watch it and do
anything they want. There's no privacy, and they can take

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it off the Internet anytime they want. So they have
to give you this illusion that, hey, you know Mark Zickenberg,
he's the owner of Facebook, and no, not really. They
just compartmentalized it out to him, So they have a
puppet beyond the face. And you know, one of the

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reasons is for control, and another reason is money. We
all got that led lad wristwatch, remember that. They're like
five bucks. And they first came out, Hey look I
got a digital worstwatch, you know, and then boom, it
goes on and on and on. It goes to the

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caller ID, to this, to the dial up modem, to this,
to that. They actually like, you know, how you have
your iPad has everything on it. They could have gave
you that in nineteen eighty, but they didn't because, like
I said, they want to compartmentalize it out. And the
freakiest thing is if you knew what they had now

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you wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Man, Truer words were never spoken, Gary, that it's so
true what you said about the iPad. There's a gentleman
who Karen may know, named I don't. He has so
many aliases now I don't know which name to call him.
His name is Shane. He's known as the Ruiner, and

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he alleges exactly what you said, Gary, that when he
was a kid, they were grooming him to be in
a I don't even want to say, but they were
grooming him to be part of the new World Order,
and he basically had his whole life set out in

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front of him, and they gave him exactly like you said,
they gave him an iPad when when these things didn't exist,
And he said, it's exactly like the iPads we have now,
and which I believe is the truth. You know. I
was told by a friend of mine to watch the

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movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson because I saw it
years and years ago, and he said you should watch
it again, and I said, I don't know, and he said,
you know, with everything that you know now, if you
watch that movie now, it will utterly terrify you and
I've got it on the agenda, but I'm a little scared,
you know, I'd rather watch it a slack. But you know,

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when you retrace the steps of that five zero ninth
bomb group and Roswell and the eight Air Force Group
and specifically the poor old farmer Brasel, you know that
saw this thing and got debriefed, you know, ten ways
from Sunday. Something interesting is that he showed up with

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a brand new red truck after all this, and everybody
in the small little community thought this was really interesting
that here a guy sees a craft, then he says
he doesn't, then he's not sure, and then he shows
up with a brand new, right bright red truck. And
these things are all very coincidental.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Absolutely, you know. That's what they do through their media
and television and stuff. Whenever, you know, I think that
whenever something gets close to getting hit on the head
information wise, they blow it up and they put it
on their movies or their television. They make it, oh,
you're watching too much movies, you're watching too much television.

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They they manipulate to make it seem like it's just
you know, like you know, oh, look, just come bit,
there's no UFO that crash. Just come buy some little
UFO bobblehead. You know you've been watching too much TV.
You know. That's a way that kind of diffuse things
that kind of get exposed. They you know, they turn

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it into a movie and then that way people are like, oh,
well that's a movie that's not real, you know what
I mean. Situation Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I just want to take a quick second to say
hi to Denise and Lisa. No. Wow, nice to have
you both with us in the Life Chat. Nice. Nice
to have you.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Absolutely Denise and Lisa, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Mm hmmm. So so yeah, so, oh my gosh. This
is a big topic, and I got to say that
I think I see it as being like a pivot point.
We've had a lot of information come out from all
kinds of sources, legitimate and maybe not so legitimate, throughout

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time since Roswell. Actually there was a recovery I think
in nineteen thirty three in Italy which we didn't actually
we didn't, we didn't, yes, exactly, And then of course
Roswell is I think probably the most famous and people

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have been speculating ever since. So let's talk a little
bit about why the powers that be if it was
indeed a off world or interdimensional craft that crashed, what
are the reasons they would not want to know about it?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think, and I don't want to get ahead of
myself here, but I think they're deflecting attention away from
the power that we all have within ourselves, the inherent
power to connect with non human intelligence, higher powers, cosmic intelligences,
whatever you want to call that. This has always been
something that the powers that be tried to keep out

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of the hands of the people. And it you know,
we had very interesting individuals doing something called the Babylon
working l Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons, who were following
in the footsteps of Alistair Crowley, who was following in
the footsteps of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

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And it keeps going and going and going. But interestingly,
with that particular couple of guys, l Ron Hubbard, a scientologist,
and Jack Parsons, one of the fathers of this space age,
these guys were doing something to invoke entities into our reality,

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and very much entities that appeared to be a lot
like Gray's, like Lamb, a character that Alister Crowley first
drew the closest thing to an alien gray anybody had
ever seen. And I think that the government wants to
keep us from believing that we have a direct line

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of communication to any of these non human intelligences. It's
interesting because a recently revealed Pentagon review conducted by ARROW,
the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, recently indicated that the
US military was spreading fake UFO stories to conceal classified

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weapons programs. And of course they're pointing at Roswell and
a bunch of other stuff Area fifty one. They're saying
it was all fake. We were just doing that to
cover for stealth technology. And that's really easy to do later,
you know, but at the time, when you have dozens
of personnel and boots on the ground and a huge,

(20:13):
massive cover up, it doesn't seem as likely. So I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, there's no doubt that control is one reason. Another
is financial. There's been so much money that's been made
from video games to you know, we all have that
dial up modem, right, You didn't need any of that,
you know, those were just all you know, just the

(20:46):
compartmentalization of knowledge, you know, and it's still happening. We're
not at the final product. Yet you know what I'm saying.
But this is like a where you know, we were like,
you know, primitive seventy years ago, primitive sticks and stones,

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you know. And you look around now because of this
technology that they found from these cross UFOs, and you
you see also too how it controls everyone and keeps
everyone docile. Because I forget where I was the other day,
but I was like in a waiting room or something,

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and I look around and every single person in that
waiting room is doing this with that little piece of plastic.
Everyone's calm, there's no ruckus, everybody's in line, everybody's waiting patiently.

(21:51):
You know, forty years ago when you waited, you're like, ah,
come on, hurry up. You know, people didn't have patient
because you know, they didn't have that little device to
keep them you know, almost like a nipple. You know,

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you go have a secret corner, you know. So the
control is a big factor, the financial is a big factor.
And it's just crazy that to this day, you know,
like I said, when you look up Roswell, you look
up every fifty when you look at all that, they'll

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tell you straight to your face that Nope, never happened.
You out of control, is a weather balloon. So and
then you get stuff like you know, like this the
the oretopsy where it's like this, to me, only helps

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the propaganda that it is fake. Putting out stuff like that,
because it's like you could look the cow fast, the
cameras moving, it's wiggling, it's quirky, jerky, you know, instead
of you know, there's no audio. You know, it's kind
of strange, right, start sawing off the guy's brain. I mean,

(23:20):
it's just it's stuff like this that doesn't give it
any credibility, you know what I mean, It diffuses the
notion that it might be real.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know, it really is. Another aspect to this is
the whole religious slash spiritual part of it. So for
a long time people were in fear of their mortal
souls and that was all controlled by the churches and

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by religion, and we were told that there was good
beings that were interdimensional that were angels, and there were
bad that were called demons, and we had to be
very careful all the time and stay close to the
church and never commit a sin, which basically super intense
social control. Right, So then you know, we start having

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contact for lack of a better word, And through throughout
the last hundred years that has sort of evolved from
thinking it was some little guys getting into a spaceship
and flying all the way here from Zeta reticular or whatever,
and now it's sort of morphed into the trends dimensional

(24:40):
or interdimensional way of looking at it. But again, social control.
So the other part of this is that you know,
you don't ever want to be cast as evil within
your community because you'll be shunned and you'll lose your community,
and you kind of have to toe the line. But

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a strong part of that is also the whole concept
of insanity. So the quickest way, at least I have
found to discredit myself, except around thinking people, is to
start talking about UFOs and ets and stuff. Right away
you're written off as being a crazy person. And again

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there are many, many organizations and people who claim that
extraterrestrials or interdimensionals are demons and they are here, you know,
to cause rack and ruin. In some ways, the story
hasn't changed a whole lot. It's still being used as propaganda,

(25:47):
as fear, as social control, and my opinion, I'll just
state it plainly, is that if ET or the trans
dimensional beings we're gonna harm us, we would have seen
evidence of that a long time ago. And I have
never ever had any anything to show me that extraterrestrials

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are somehow like humans. Humans are super cruel, Humans will
go kill each other if they're told to. Humans will
do all kinds of horrible, despicable things for money or
for power. I've never heard of any evidence of the
ETS actually harming us, and we would have known by

(26:34):
now if they were here to harm us. So I
just wanted to throw that whole sort of religious social
control aspect of the phenomenon out there as well.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Wow, Karen, that was said so eloquently. That is just
perfect because I believe that one hundred percent. You know,
it conflicts with the whole religion type thing, whether you're
a Muslim or a Buddhist or this and that. You know,

(27:08):
a UFO flies down in lands and some aliens walked
out all of a sudden, that contradicts your religion, you know.
So it's just crazy too, you know, with all these
abduction stories too, there's just a zillion of them, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
You know, it's wild. I want to apologize for being late,
but it kind of goes into what we're discussing with
abductions and UFOs, and that there was an experiment taking
place at a property I manage up in the UNA
basein of Utah known as it's kind of a little
that science base camp. And we had a science experiment

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with one individual who actually does like support groups for
people that do these have these abduction scenarios or contact
experiences and they're having having troubles in real life. And
this individual Eric Mitchell, another woman Heidi, another woman Shasta,
and another experiencer that will remain unnamed, and another guy.

(28:26):
And interestingly that the whole psionics thing the new term
for like esp drawing in communicating with these things, right,
these craft, these non human intelligences. Uh, the psionics experiments
are all about bringing down these craft like literally landing

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and engaging with these cosmic intelligences. Well, interestingly, the reason
I was late is I was on the phone because
this wealthy individual who is who was one of the
people there in a big RV, he's missing. And this
person he was telling me that he went off planet.

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And so we've got a little bit of a problem here.
You have somebody saying they went off planet, but then
in the real world he's actually missing at the time
at the moment, So where do those where do those
things line up? And it kind of in summary, not
to get me out of being late, but it's kind

(29:32):
of at the core of what we're discussing. And you know,
the reality that it seems like the military does in
fact employed disinformation. And like Gary said, they always get
ahead of this stuff. The best way to delegitimize something
is to make it look ridiculous, and that's exactly what
they do. They make the fake videos, they make the

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fake landing sites. They they they are in the business
of disinformation. If they can control the narrative and then
later point out where it's wrong, then they think that
the whole discussion just got removed off the table. And
we've seen this time and time again with the Benewiczz case,

(30:20):
with the dual Say case. We have these what well for,
for lack of a better word, mirage men, right spin
doctors that cast this this this hazy fog over everything,
and then everybody says, ah, that's all just whoy, and
then they can go on doing what they're doing. And
like Gary said, nowadays I think people are becoming aware

(30:41):
and carrying your Your words were so true. I mean,
when it came to religion, the biggest issue Rome ever
had was like these Christians that they kept feeding to
the lions and throwing in the coliseum, and the Christians
didn't care because they they were they they were under
the idea that this reality is not everything there is,

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and it was driving Rome crazy because of the threat
of death. No longer held any weight with these people,
and what ended up happening, eventually Rome converted to Christianity.
And I think the same is true for any religion.
If you just believe that this reality is not everything,
all of a sudden, your power exponentially grows.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, you know, I find that this is just my
personal opinion, but one of the most powerful things we
can do for ourselves in these trying and confusing times
is to really do the work we need to do
so that we're no longer afraid of death. If we're

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no longer afraid of death, there's nothing anybody can hold
over us. And also same as if we have faith
in our ability to to create what we need, you
know what I mean, whether you're doing it through law
of attraction or whether you just have belief in yourself

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that you can do it and you can find work,
you can get food, you can get the things that
you need. I think, I think those are really important points. Unfortunately,
most people want to slumber in comfort. They do not
want to go through the discomfort of doing, you know,
self examination, becoming a critical thinker. You know, I find

(32:29):
that every once in a while, I go through another
whole level of detox. I just came through one where
I really like, I understand certain things. I believe them
intellectually they make sense. But then one day it hits
me as being absolutely real, like, for instance, the pyramid
of power and and and the different the different organizations

(32:56):
and ways that people don't have our best interests at heart.
Let's face it, we are the expendable crew members, and like,
it really hit me and how long this has been
going on? And again I knew all this intellectually, I

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knew all this spiritually, but I had to go through
another dark knight of the soul and recognize it and
then come back to Okay, Karen, what is important? Well,
what is important for me? Number one, Losing fear of
death is huge. It's so freeing, you know, and to

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not be afraid of a punishing god. There's another huge one.
And so I think as long as we're afraid, we're controlled,
it's easy to control us. Whether we're afraid of the ets,
whether we're afraid of the government, whether we're afraid of
the illuminati, whatever, whatever. Right, anyway, Sorry, I didn't mean

(33:59):
to ramble too. I just wanted to throw that out there.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
No, you're you're doing great, man. You're hitting the nail
right on the head. Man. It's crazy stuff, you know, Ryan,
you've been watching too many movies. Okay now, But yes, Karen,
you're so right. The spirit spiritual reality thing of it all.

(34:28):
I think that, you know, a lot of that comes
with age in the sense that when you lived on
the planet before all this technology hit, you have a
little bit of a different perspective and you internalize a
little bit differently, and your outlook, your spirituality, everything's a
lot different because it's just what you've experienced in what

(34:52):
you know, and you looked at you know, humans that
have had all this technolog saturating them since they were born.
It's got to be really trippy because especially the misinformation
is just a zillion of it on both sides. Like

(35:12):
we talk about all the time, there's a a thousand
million videos on how bad coffee is for you, and
there's a thousand million videos on how good coffee is
for you. And that goes with everything. It doesn't matter
what the subject is. They give you both sides of
the coin, you know. So I have to personally say

(35:34):
that you know these things your computer, your iPad, your television,
that's where all the information comes from, instead of living
life and learning that way without any of that, you know.

(35:56):
So good point on that, Karen, with the whole spiritual
side of it.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Something funny I've done, Gary, And this is just this week.
So I'm really intrigued that you always have something to
say about something that relates to my life. And I
don't know if it's synchronicity or not, but just this week,
I've started to leave the house without the cell phone.
I leave the cell phone at home like a landline

(36:25):
like it used to be. And my wife was like, well,
oh my gosh, like I can't track you, like I
said exactly, And she's like, but oh my gosh, what
if something happens? And I said, well, if something happens,
I'll do what my parents and their parents and their
parents before them did. And it's like this, like oh
my gosh, you can't let go of the tether. But

(36:47):
I'll tell you it's only been a week and leaving
the house without the cell phone has has turned into
something adventurous, like I actually I actually sit at the
stop light and I can look around. I'm not looking
at my screen. I actually talk to people more. I'm

(37:07):
not in the in the line at the grocery store
looking at my phone. I'm I'm just present. And it's
more like I think an adventure like life is supposed
to be, and I I think that we close ourselves
off from that. And you know, the worst thing could happen,
could might happen. You know, you could get in an accident,
you might not be able to call your wife, you

(37:29):
might these things could happen. But you know what, if
that's meant to be, that's meant to be. And it
is the most freeing thing I swear. And not only that,
it's nice to not be there when people are because
I'm constantly getting like well like being late today, constantly
getting reached out to, and it's it gives me kind

(37:50):
of a break from that. And you know, it's it's
so weird that you mentioned I watch too much TV,
because we recently have seen that. We've seen this recent
thing with the World War three, right, and we bombed
Duran and we got these nuclear secret sites and used

(38:11):
ventilation shafts with bombs, and it kind of all ties
into what we're discussing with Jack Parsons and l Ron Hubbard,
who started scientology. L Ron Hubbard did, and you know,
there's a movie called Top Gun two and they did
exactly what we just did. They shot these missiles down

(38:34):
the ventilation shafts and blew up these nuclear secret bases.
And what's strange about that is, of course Tom Cruise
is in it, and he's a scientologist, and the first
Top Gun came out thirty three years before the second
Top Gun. And Tom Cruise has had three wives and

(39:01):
each of those he left when they turned thirty three
years old. And when you start looking at this thing,
as you start to like back away from the situation,
there's something they call predictive programming. And they talk about
how long it took to make this movie Top Gun
to and how Lockheed Martin made this whole secret aircraft

(39:24):
that's not real, but they made it for the movie
to look like something that might be real. Well, it's
I could go into that, but there's all of these
all of these subtle hints that maybe it's more than
a movie, right that they calculate how many people are

(39:46):
going to be watching this, what they can put in
there that's palatable, how they can sell it later so
that it's not questioned and people will just assume it's reality,
you know, like it's absolutely fascinating. And what Gary said
about the technology, Man, I wonder what the heck those

(40:08):
tones were when we used to wait for dial up,
because those things sounded so much like the b Neural
Monroe Institute, you know, they were crazy sounds that like
the millennials will never know.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, when I was in like the second or third grade,
my stepdad worked for IBM in Silicon Valley in the
seventies when they were working on the Internet, and I
would we would be playing and we'd pick up the

(40:43):
phone and you'd hear the dial up modem trip and
he was screaming, put the phone down, and we'd put
the phone down and run out to the backyard and stuff.
But you can see how it was compartmentalized out to
certain companies in certain agent sees, you know, and it's

(41:04):
just crazy because like you didn't have to buy Xbox one,
Xbox two, Xbox three or whatever. They are, right, all
of them are like that PlayStation five six they could
have gave you. There's still PlayStation ten to come. They
could have gave it to you twenty years ago and

(41:24):
they still haven't gotten it yet. So, like I said,
some of this technology that they have will blow your mind,
but you can't have that information for another twenty thirty
years because they have to keep compartmentalizing it out to
you and to their you know, little puppet companies and stuff.

(41:46):
But one thing you do have to always remember is
that all the information that all of us get, whether
we think it's you know, alternative information or because I
saw it over here, it still all comes from the
same source. It comes from DARPA and the Pentagon m

(42:09):
So that's where you get all the information from whenever
you get on this, whenever you get on your phone
or your television, coming from the same people it is.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
And I would I would also add to that that
it is you know, basically they keep telling us that
stuff that is real isn't real, and things that aren't
real are real. But we're living in this information age
where it's really hard to tell what is real and

(42:41):
what isn't. And so I see everything that comes through
my phone or any of my screens as being number one, propaganda,
all propaganda, All the movies are propaganda. Everything is propaganda.
And it's to get us online with whatever country we're
we're living in, or identify with, or belong to, whatever

(43:04):
their agenda is. But now let's show something else in
the mix. AI so okay, So they can convince us
that UFOs are not real, that transdimensionals aren't real, that
demons aren't real, that angels aren't real. They can convince
us of almost anything using AI. And I've just noticed

(43:27):
recently in my feed on YouTube, are these shows that
look like they're going to be little mini documentaries. They're
going to be really interesting. And as soon as they start,
like within just a few seconds, I can tell the
script is AI generated, the voice is AI generated, the

(43:47):
images are AI generated, and I immediately go to my
options and click do not suggest this channel. I do
that for every single one, but they're us coming up
and coming up and coming up. So of course, you know,
I'm interested in UFOs and Roswell and all these other
alternative things, and guess what's coming up into my feed

(44:11):
And I am very careful at least at this point
to not watch it. I'd rather watch something grainy from
the nineteen seventies, you know, where people are not really
sure what's going on. I'd rather that. But with AI,
which I think this is not off topic because we

(44:31):
started off with ros Well, we morphed that into the
technologies that they suddenly came up with. You know, I
don't know where, you know, I mean, it was only
I'm not even I forget how many years, not very
many years before Roswell that the first airplane like the

(44:52):
Wilbur Wright and Oral right were, you know, in their
little airplanes just taking off. Now look at how fast
everything has gone, gone, gone, gone. So I think it's
still on topic to follow it along to today where
we have AI and they say we're not at the singularity,
but I think I think we're pretty close. And then

(45:14):
the politics in Canada and the United States, they're passing
these bills where they go they're not going to interfere
with AI. They're not going to make any rules about it.
They're not going to interfere. They're going to let it
run its course. And I'm going, oh my god, Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
You know something really odd. And this does all like
you said, we're not off topic. This all does come
together and coalesce.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Is.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I love what you said about DARPA, Gary, because there
is something that was known as the Alien Abduction Box
in the nineteen seventies that had ties to the what
they call the Invisible College now UH, players like Robert Bigelow,

(46:08):
Jacques Valet, et cetera, and Jacques Valet for those who
aren't familiar, he's one of one of one of the
one of the main researchers in the UFO enigma. And
they had this alien abduction box that people who claim
to have been abducted by aliens or harassed or contacted

(46:30):
by aliens. These these people would bring in a box that,
for all intents and purposes, was a modem and they
said that this was to kind of take measurements and
if they were being abducted, that people would get confirmation
of that and be able to help them. Interestingly, this
is very top secret, hard to find online and it's

(46:54):
difficult because this, of course was tied to something that
was called the DARPAET or the ARPENET, which basically the
ARPAET also known as the DARPAET, was initiated in nineteen
sixty nine by DARPA, the Advanced Research Projects Agency Defense

(47:15):
Advanced Research.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yes, and this is.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
What people aren't realizing is DARPA only does one thing.
They militarize technologies. So the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
or DARPA is a research and development agency responsible for
the development of emerging technologies for use by the military period.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Yes, and that's where our Internet came from exactly. And
not only that. When you look at Wi Fi, wi
Fi actually started out, like you know, Ryan said, as
a military weapon. Okay, so in other words, technically, you know,
we talked about all this technology that we haven't even

(48:06):
learned about yet that's still there that we've had for
the last you know, as we're getting compartmentalized, right, One
of them is it's a weapon, so they can actually
you know, we all know that a tank can come
in and turn on its Wi Fi, no one sees it,

(48:28):
and they can spray it at a crowd and the
crowd will disperse because they'll just all be like grabbing
their head. They can't. The Wi Fi just really just
scrambles their brain. And that, you know, you don't need
any weapons. You don't need any guns, you don't need anything.
Just that Wi Fi disperses the crowd. And what's so

(48:50):
scary about it is what they can also do is say,
Ryan's getting too close to what's really going on out there, Well,
we can turn the Wi Fi up on his phone
so that it gives him a brain tumor and then
he dies. We just turn it up on his device

(49:16):
and it admits. You know that White people say like, hey,
turn your Wi Fi off at night before you go
to bed, you know. So you have to be really
careful with these phones because and this, all these television
and all these everything that you see. Because my grandmother,

(49:38):
who was born like in the late eighteen hundreds or something, right,
you know, like in the seventies, she said something that
still resonates to me to this day. She goes, Oh,
your program is on. Don't you want to watch your programming?
And I thought about that for a second. I'm like, programming,

(50:00):
it's exactly what it is when you watch that stuff
they're programming you. That's why I don't even really go
to the movies anymore. It's all CGI. I can't even
watch that. And then all of it is just infomercials
twenty twelve Christian infomercial It's all got like these same
endings about how you know, these religious overtones and Christianity.

(50:25):
And I'm not knocking that. I'm not saying there's anything
wrong with that, but I'm just saying, when you know,
in the forties and fifties and sixties, when film first
came out, you had all these independent people that were
making films and doing stuff, so it was really cool.
Well now it's just like anything, whether it's music or movies,

(50:46):
if they don't one hundred percent own it, it doesn't
get played on their medium.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Another thing I want to just add to that, Gary
is unfortun fortunately I live in a residence where I
don't have any control over the Wi Fi and it's
on twenty four seven. But I am lucky enough that
I'm now in a residential neighborhood, living in a house

(51:14):
that's on a block with other houses. But back when
I was living in apartments.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
And in.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Townhouses where there was thousands and thousands of people, and
apartment buildings and townhouses group very close together, everybody having
their WiFi on. I was sick all the time. And
when you think about it, all the information that you
could possibly access on the Internet is all around us

(51:47):
all the time. Now, if our computer or phone chooses
to tap into one narrow little piece of that, that's
not all we're getting. It's all around us all the time.
It's affecting everything. It's affecting our health, it's affecting our pets,
it's affecting everything. And if that isn't a weapon, I

(52:11):
don't know what is. So I just wanted to add
that to what you were saying. And everything you guys
have said has been right on the money as far
as I'm concerned. Now we're quickly running out of time.
So what I would love is if Ryan and Gary,
if you could take a few minutes and just any
other thoughts you're having about Roswell or what's come about

(52:32):
since Roswell, or any thoughts you have, please do share them,
and then after that we'll just do a go around.
We'll find out what you guys are up to and
where people can find you.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, quickly, I'll just kind of say that we're dealing
with people who buy their own admission give us disinformation
by their own admission for our own good. Is what
they tell us. That they will give us disinformation and

(53:08):
misinformation to protect classified information that we aren't allowed to
know about. And it's very interesting that, no matter how
high you go up in the military chain of command,
when you speak with some of these people, which I've

(53:30):
had the luck or maybe the bad luck to do,
is that even they don't know what's going on. And
I was talking with a gentleman who was driving out
to a secretive base like he does every day, and
he's in his tesla, and he was driving out and
there was something absolutely imperative that he had to know about.

(53:56):
And he said that he had left his phone at home,
which he never did, but he was driving out to work.
And he said that this communication was beamed through his
speakers of his tesla to him, updating him on what
was transpiring. And he told me I didn't know that

(54:17):
technology existed. Wow, so they knew that he didn't have
his phone, but he had to know this. And we really,
like Gary said, this is what they have is maybe
one hundred years ahead of what we think they have.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yes, that's all so right, Ryan Man, So right. It's
so discouraging because when you really think about it, it's
like you ever like can't find your phone, or have
someone that can't find their phone. There's this actual level
of like insane anxiety that happens, or it's like where's

(54:57):
my phone, where's my phone? It's like, can't do anything
until you find your phone. In fact, you even got
to go buy a new one and have everything transferred
in and then everything comes back to normal. So for me,
what really really tipped the scales was when I had
my last you know, scared with my eyesight. I basically

(55:18):
had to close my eyes for a couple months. And
when you close your eyes for a couple months and
you detach from Wi Fi and electronics and the television
and movies and anything, you just completely one hund detach

(55:38):
from it, you internalize and you realize spiritually how much
knowledge you really do have up and beyond all that
programming that you've been getting fed. It actually keeps you docile,
and it keeps you from experiencing more than just the

(55:58):
five senses that you have. There's way more than just
you know, taste, site sound. There's intuitiveness, there's telepathy. There's
just a whole host of really cool stuff out there
that you kind of get taken away from you by

(56:19):
these things. Because then when I came back and I
came back to this, I really noticed one thing that
I couldn't even believe, and to this day, I believe
it to be one percent true. It's all to divide.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
You go on.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
In the television and there's three channels that are supposedly
news or not news. It's just sensationalism and generalizations. There's
no news about it, right, but three of the channels
NonStop negativity against the Red doesn't end twenty four hours

(56:56):
a day, da da da da da da riiches your
blood pressure, like Karen says, invokes fear NonStop. Then there's
three channels that are supposed of new channels that do
the same thing with the blue non stop. It's it's
when when you detach from it for a while and

(57:19):
then you come back and you look at it, you're like, Wow,
they're not fooling me with this fucking bullshit. All I
can tell everyone is like Ryan said, take time to
throw this thing in the garbage can and go for
a walk without it, go somewhere without it, go to

(57:39):
a park, go somewhere, because you're gonna reconnect with yourself.
And that's only if you know, Uh, there's people that
have been confined by this their entire life. We haven't.
There was a time when we didn't have this, so
we can kind of reconnect with that. So I just
want to finish by saying that you are truly a

(58:00):
special human. You have superpowers and energy way up beyond
this technology, and try to tap into that, because that's
the real power.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
M hm. I agree, both of you. Everything you said fantastic.
I frequently go shopping or go for a walk and
do not take my phone because first of all, it's
nobody's damn business where I'm going and what I'm doing.
Second of all, it's a bit of a dopamine detox,

(58:32):
you know what I mean. I need to get used
to not having it around me, and so there's that.
So I do that regularly as well, and there are
times where I won't, you know, I just really limit
my screen time. I do the best I can with

(58:52):
what I have, which I think is pretty much all
you can do. I want to just say hi to Helena,
thank you for joining us today. And Lord Spike Protein
he's a he's a big Gmay fan, and I see
you on your channel all the time. And then of course,

(59:12):
uh Lisa, Lisa Nowell and anyway, so I think I
think these are people from over on your channel, So
thank you so much for joining us today. Before we
do our last go round, I just want to make
an announcement. Next Sunday on my other podcast called the

(59:33):
Aliens and Angels Podcast, I'm going to be giving a
free giveaway some really cool gifts and all you have
to do is show up to the live So those
who have been I've been keeping track writing down the
list of everybody who has been showing up for my podcasts.

(59:56):
So next Sunday, show up again and I'll do some
kind of a random draw and we'll select some names
and you guys will get some really cool products and
I'm not sure what the topic will be, but I'm
sure it will be interesting. So with that, I just

(01:00:16):
want to Ryan, you want to tell everybody what you're
up to, and I mean the stuff you want to share,
and I got to watch how I say things and
more people can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I'm up to trying to find out where this
individual that said they went off planet is and then
I'm in all reality. I wanted to quickly interject that
something Gary said is super important and if nobody's ever
read a book called The Day After Roswell where a
gentleman named Colonel Philip Corso talks about working for a

(01:00:51):
foreign Advanced Technology board and getting reverse engineered parts from
craft and basically see them out to places like IBM,
GE different companies to make things like this for us.
Very very very good book, and I'll leave it at that. Yeah,

(01:01:13):
everything I'm up to you can keep track of at
hero Paranormal dot com or hero Paranormal on social media.
And yeah, definitely check out the podcast. It's on YouTube.
And thanks so much for listening. It's always a pleasure
talking to you guys. You guys are you're like modern
zen gurus. Every time I talk to you, my day
is better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
All right on?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Ah? Awesome? Gary? What are you up to? And do
you have a festival in the works.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I have a festival coming up August second. It's called
Summer fun Fest. It's going to be my ninth concert
festival and it's basically just rounding up the usual suspects.
It's a great little community of about forty fifty people
that come to my I have an open mic where

(01:02:02):
every I only live stream every Saturday night. So whether
I'm doing an open mic, or I'm doing a festival,
or I'm doing an award show, or I'm just doing
a panel on a holiday, it's every Saturday night you
can come catch me with me. My channel is basically

(01:02:23):
one music. It's all good times. There's no politics, there's
no religion, there's no you know, anything other than just
music and making people feel good because I feel that
it gives people a break because we all know how
barraged we are with all this stuff out there. It's

(01:02:46):
a never ending attack, so it kind of gives you
a place once a week to just go and listen
to some music and make some friends. He used to
do a long time. Yeah, but Karen, thank you for
having me on the show. Everyone in chat love you
so much. Thanks for being here. You are awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, and I want to thank you also, Gary for
getting all these awesome images and MP fours and stuff
ready for the show today. I really really appreciate it
very much. So everybody. The links are in the description
below so that you can find Ryan and you can
find Gary. I highly recommend his music show every Saturday night.

(01:03:31):
I often pop in for a while. I go to
bed early, so I bet I still pop in for
a while. I love it and I love the community.
Oh wow. There is never any hassles in the community,
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thank all of you who joined us in the live
chat today and also those that are watching on the

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videos that Gary had had on the show today. And
so that's about it for today. I'm hoping sending much
love to each and every one of you. Hope you

(01:04:16):
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