E228 Ryan Patrick Burns & Gary May-McGill – THE SKINWALKER RANCH ENIGMA - Quantum Guides Show with Karen Holton

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Speaker 1 (01:05):
Greetings and welcome to Quantum Guideline Show, episode two hundred
and twenty eight. Karen is on vacation. I will be
hosting the show for her while she is off having
the time of her life. My name is Gary Michael McGill.

(01:27):
The third and tonight's episode or today's episode of Quantum
Guideline Show, we are in for a real treat. We
are going to be talking about the Skinwalker Ranch. And
the best part about that is we have one of

(01:50):
the greatest researchers with us today. His name Ryan Patrick Burns.
He began his researching into your Basin and the mysterious
skin Walker Ranch. So I'm really psyched because he's started
this years and years ago. He's been researching it, but

(02:12):
when his passion and answers could be no longer quenched,
he left his corporate job in Salt Lake City and
he moved to the desolate and removed Basin to investigate
the ranch full time. Yes, Ryan now owns property called

(02:33):
space Wolf Research overlooking the ranch. He hosts a popular podcast,
hero Paranormal dot com, and he has written about his
experiences investigating the Skinwalker Ranch. So we are going to
dive right into this ladies and gentlemen, give it up

(02:56):
for my first guest, Ryan and Burns. Ryan, how are you,
my friend?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I am great, it's great to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Gary, awesome, and you're looking fantastic. It's good to see you. Okay, Ryan,
we're going to be you know, we're going to get
into this whole Skinwalker Ranch thing. And I got to
let you know up front that I, like, was been
busy the last few years doing a lot of crazy

(03:26):
stuff and I really wasn't educated it all. Had no
idea about what the Skinwalker Ranch was. I mean, what's
weird about it is I kind of heard about it
and just somehow I like that sounds familiar, but I
never really knew the specifics. So for our viewers that
are tuning in and watching the replay, give me just

(03:47):
a little little one oh one on the Skinwalker Ranch
if you would.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
You bet it is a really interesting area. You know,
the the local indigenous tribe, the Ute tribe, and other
tribes nearby have spoken of high strangeness in the area
for over fifteen generations. Wow, it kind of got even

(04:17):
more fired up, dare I say in the last couple
hundred years and actually a little further back before that,
back in seventeen seventy six, Father Domingas and Escalante were
venturing through the area mapping gold routes for the Spanish

(04:39):
and of course spreading the word of Catholicism, and even
in their notes they noted some strangeness. Now fast forward
the area known as Fort Duchane, Utah, which if you
look at this image that you put up, is kind

(05:01):
of right in the direction I'm looking up by that
sandstone red rock over there. Okay, that was a fort
that was manned by Buffalo soldiers and it was to
it was known as Fort Duchane for the Ute tribe members.
And something transpired between the Ute and the Navajo that

(05:22):
brought on a curse.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is as the legend goes, Wow and.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
The Navajo were in an area of San Luis Valley
that was an oasis. Nobody knew where they were, and
they had basically found shangri law. They weren't causing any trouble,
but the Ute tribe, to kind of help their own families,
sold out the location to the cavalry, and this was
considered irreparable damage, unforgivable, and the most powerful shaman and

(05:59):
shaman turned bad of that particular tribe dedicated themselves to
cursing the Ute tribe in this particular location with the
worst curse imaginable, which was the curse of the skin Walker.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Wow. And what was the size of that land that
was cursed? Like? Is that like acres or.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's a very interesting sort of verbal description of land
attract if you will. That goes from the northwest to
the southeast. And they call this the Path of the Skinwalker.
It follows the Riparian zone and it is basically really

(06:45):
interesting because most of the veins of interesting geologic formations
follow that same.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Path.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
And it's about an eighty square mile radius if you
wanted to pinpoint it. It's more of a diamond than
a circle. And but it is a path going from
northwest to southeast, literally going from one dark canyon to
the other dark canyon. There's one to the northwest and

(07:17):
there's another dark canyon to the southeast, and that sort
of those two dark canyons are sort of the ends
of it, so to speak. Even though high strange and
this happens outside of that region. This is kind of
the epicenter.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Okay, So basically you have this area, this land that
has been cursed by the Nava.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yes, it was by the Navajo tribe coming out of
the San Luis Valley.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
And then they dedicated their existence to this proclamation. Right.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, they're most powerful medicine men and medicine women, even
though many of them were involved as healers and mostly
white magic. This was considered so unforgivable because they were
a peaceful tribe and they were trying to just get
away and maintain their families and get to a spot
where there was no conflict. And they had found that

(08:17):
spot and they would have been they probably would have
never been found out. And these medicine men and medicine women,
and the most powerful magicians of the tribe, even the
good ones, dedicated themselves in unison to creating the worst

(08:39):
curse they could imagine, which was this curse of the skinwalker.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Wow, that's interesting. So we're going to get into all
of this. We're going to figure out what's going on
out there because no one knows. I mean people know,
But my point is that you are an absolute professional
when it comes to this topic. You are have the insight,
You've worked with tons of people on figuring out what's

(09:07):
going on there? But my question you would be how
did you first come across this organization that you started,
the Space Wolf Research? How did you come about creating
this great question? Gary?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know, so I had an experience in the late
nineties with an entity and it I tried to put
it out of my mind, but it was always kind
of lingering on the back burner.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And back then there was an area or a zone
known as the Southern vantage Point which overlooked this particular
area where I had this encounter. And when I would
go to the researchers before me and ask where I
could look at things, where I could see things, where

(10:02):
I could post up, there was this abandoned ranch which
is right where Space Wolf Research is now. And there
was a very powerful story of three researchers named Richard Oliver,
April Slaughter, and Matt Groenig. And they were all health
professionals who had very much probably the darkest close encounter

(10:27):
with unknown entities in the area that's ever been reported.
In fact, rich died several years after the incident of
brain cancer. They all believed they got nasal implants, and
it's a horrific tale of what took place. I didn't
know where this happened, but after I purchased Space Wolf Research,
I realized, thank goodness to the ones that are still

(10:51):
alive April Slaughter in particular, that this particular event happened
on this abandoned ranch that's now known as Space Wolf Research.
So it's got uh it's kind of eerie.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I when when it became available for sale, I jumped
at the opportunity, and it's since then proven to have
even more uh secrets held within it, sort of like
Pandora's box. They just keep coming. Those are some cattle

(11:26):
mutilations in that image there you can see the cows
in the back of the truck. But yeah, it's it's
definitely it's an area that like well, like like that
powerful story of Rich Oliver and April Slaughter and Matt
three health professionals that encountered everything from shape shifting beings,

(11:51):
massive black crabs that latched onto one of their legs,
and uh rich Oliver. Of course, they all said that
they got nasal implants. And Rich Oliver, a huge man,
was lifted up out of the air by an entity
that was kind of formed from what appeared to be
to him little nano particulates like flies or fleas flying

(12:15):
in and out of this thing, and it lifted this
beast of a man off the ground by his neck.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And yeah, this is again like Pandora's Box. I keep
finding things out. I think it's understated all the stuff
that I've found out since I've purchased the property. And
when I initially was looking at the property, I had
an interesting gentleman approach me. I no longer speak with him,
but he had documentation that he claimed proved the property

(12:43):
was part of a clandestine program, a black budget program
with ties to what he called solar Warden. And I
thought solar Warden was totally debunked, not real, you know,
the thing of conspiracy. He claimed that there is something
like that there is some sort of governmental secret space program,

(13:06):
and that this ranch sat abandoned among others, and that
it was incorporated as a staging location for some of
these top secret projects.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well so, in other words, a lot of these theories
start to funnel in that you have to kind of
decipher and go through. Why do you think that the
area is so strange? I mean, as far as we
know about it being cursed in this and that. But
where does the strange part come in as far as

(13:39):
what you've witnessed and what you said that you were
still haunted by some entity or something, right, So is
that part of what drives you in your research?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Great question. There's a multitude of aspects, so it's sort
of a paranormal Disneyland in that you'll get everything from
strange creatures to craft in the sky, lights in the sky,
strange sounds, animals on the ground and yeah, there's a

(14:10):
light following a deer right there, so you get very
strange things that transpire. You can see that little light
above the deer following it from right and left, and
orbs all over the place. You get also an array
of interest from the government itself. There was a top

(14:31):
secret program that was based out of this location. Twenty
two million dollars that we know of was fundeled so
far that we know of so far was funneled into
this DoD Pentagon black budget project known as a TIP
and ASAP. And a TIP was the Forward Facing Project

(14:52):
which stood for basically thread identification, and then we had
ASAP on the back end of that. Awesome APP was
more of a weaponization program. And these are programs that
first made the news. There was a New York Times
article that came out called Glorying Auras and black Money,

(15:15):
and a TIP first kind of got its first declassified,
you know, public appearance then. And a TIP stand for
the Advanced Sterospace Threat Identification Program and this was literally
studying lights in the sky, studying UFOs, and this is

(15:36):
what everybody was focused on. However, it also had a
partner program known as os APP AAWSAP, which stood for
the Advanced Stereo Space Weapon Systems Application Program, which sounds
a whole lot like a secret space program. And this

(15:57):
is all more or less based for the moment part
in this area. Now there's in my opinion, other projects
that have taken place there. There's been involvement with NASA
nearby at geolocations. And I think the reason that this
is so rife with paranormal activity and high strangeness is

(16:22):
not just the curse. I think that it was strange
to begin with, add the curse, and then they added
a reservoir behind that sandstone mesa you can see through
the night vision on the back of my screen. They
added a reservoir on the back side of that, and
so water continually trickles underneath that stands Sandstone Mesa. And

(16:48):
then to add insult to injury, they put the largest
of power lines in Utah directly overhead, and the casing
on those lines has since cracked. And the issue with
that is if you go under it with an EMF detector,
an electromagnetic frequency detector, people just spike. There's tons of
electromagnetic fields that are literally charging the area. Now wow,

(17:13):
And many people have alleged that they've seen spacecraft or
unidentified aerial craft come down and seemingly charge up off
of those power lines and take off.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Wow. So in other words, it's almost like some type
of charging station. So you have this area that for
the longest period of time has been known to be
strange and to have the novelo Indians put this curse
on it, and now no, we introduce these UFOs and

(17:47):
how they're charging and stuff. Now, this curse is is
that where the wolf comes in?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Good question?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So the skin walker, for those who are un familiar,
is an entity of lore that most indigenous tribes believe
in and believe it or not, once you've seen one,
it's easy not to understate that it's a very real entity.
It's basically the way it's been explained to me by

(18:20):
my indigenous friends is that it is, in essence, a
person at its core which has been preoccupied with what's
called bad medicine or black magic, dark magic, and through
an agreement with dark entities, is able to call upon

(18:46):
those dark entities through a series of protocols, to quite
literally become evil incarnate and be able to wear the
skin of animals and literally turn into that animal insomuch
as the display that it shows to others. So is
it really turning into the animal? That's unknown? But do

(19:09):
others perceive it? When people witness this, does it appear
that it is that animal?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
One? Really interesting? So the rabbit hole just keeps going
and going, And speaking of rabbit holes, there's this other
element to this whole scenario of is there something underground

(19:36):
underneath all this stuff going on? There's like supposedly like
miles and miles of caves or something like that. I'm
not too sure what do you know about that whole situation.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Interestingly, this this is a wild.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Reality.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
And the reason I say that is it aligns with
both the scientific aspects and with thedigenous lore as you
probably know indigenous Native American tribes believe that first man
and first woman rose out of the earth, came from underground.

(20:14):
And interestingly, our top remote viewers, which are basically third
eye spies, secret spies, psychological hit man if you want
to call them that. One in particular, Joe mcmonagall, very
well known in the field. He was tasked with viewing
this location and he claimed that the southwestern quadrant of

(20:38):
the area held an underground, either dimensional or non human
military base. What's interesting about that is that that's exactly
where Space Wolf Research is more or less located. Now,
there are things that happen to the earth itself that
are inexplicable. For example, you'll have cracks open up on

(21:02):
the property that will open to about eighteen inches wide
and they'll go down over fifty feet and we've sent
cameras down there with fiber optics. First we just threw
things down there and we were like, wow, that's that's
down there, and so we had to measure how far
it was and literally overnight, in some cases, those cracks

(21:25):
will close right up any structures that you have on
the property. You have to be aware of foundational issues
because you never know when the property is going to
literally move, open up, shake, tremble, and when you're walking
on the property at times you can feel like an
energy coming out of the property. So, in my opinion,
there's very much something underground, and people much more intelligent

(21:48):
than myself have a variety of theories, including that these
ancient Native American entities which are now known as well
the six foot jib I'm sorry, the six fingered giants
with multiple rows of teeth and red hair. These are

(22:10):
basically allegedly creatures that would live in caves and underground,
and they were rumored to not only be in the area,
there are petroglyphs that depict their presence in the area
in locations nearby. So I think that there's a very

(22:30):
real aspect to it, whether you're looking at the Native
American lore or the more scientific stuff. And there's scientists
that believe we may even be dealing with what they
call an alien artificial intelligence that was placed underground millennia ago,
and for whatever reason, possibly it was left there either

(22:55):
its occupants were destroyed by creatures in the area, which
back then there was a variety of predators that were
apex predators that could have easily taken out visitors to
this planet. And there is a belief that there is
something that is emitting a particular cyclical radio frequency, and

(23:21):
you can receive this radio frequency, record this radio frequency,
and it happens, and it seems to be on a loop.
And many brant many many minds brighter than myself, as
I said before, scientific in nature believe that there could
be some sort of alien artificial intelligence or beacon calling

(23:41):
out to have someone engage with it.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh wow, no, Ryan, let me ask you. So, now,
with all this information, with the underground, with this and this,
we know that there has been different Is there like
a military base there? Do they just fly around and
test there? Or what's the whole hout? Is there like

(24:09):
kind of like Area fifty one? Is it fenced off
where you can't go there? Or you know what I mean,
what's the deal with the military situation out there?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's a really good question. Okay, So they are there
and they have been there that I know of, reports
from locals in the area late seventies eighties, previous ownership
of the ranch, Terry and Gwen Sherman, the gentleman who

(24:43):
was a cattle rancher there that eventually sold to Robert T. Bigelow.
He believed that there was something military going on there
and he owned the property. So this has been going
on for a while now. If it's a situation where
that ranch by the way next to mine was also

(25:04):
vacant for quite some time and abandoned, and if it
is a situation where these military organizations are able to
use properties that are abandoned, that would explain part of it.
But we know that actual black budget projects that have
been now partially declassified have very much used these locations.

(25:26):
That's documented, and it's something that for example, I'll have
people come up and they'll witness it. They will witness
these black ops people, for lack of a better word,
engaging with lasers and night vision and other technologies just

(25:46):
right there. I mean, you can see them doing it
and they ask me what are they doing? And I said,
I don't know, and I'm not going to go up
and ask them. So it's been there for quite some
time and I believe it probably will continue.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Wow. Crazy. So now, in other words, is that like
Area fifty one, it's fenced off, there's like soldiers on
the ground with like machine guns. You can't go on
it is this something that people can go No, you
talked about I think you mentioned his name. That's the
guy that actually owns all of the Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
So interestingly, he owned it for over twenty years.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Robert T.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Bigelow. He's he's most likely the gentleman. He's the real
estate tycoon from Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Robert Bigelow owns the Skinwalker Ranch. Basically, well, he used to.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Technically it's a little more muddled now. There was an
alleged sale of the property that took place to another
real estate tycoon known as Brandon Fugel and kind of
a much like his predecessor, you know, one of these
guys that just he's a winner when it comes to

(26:58):
anything developed related. He's on a number of boards. He's
part of Colliers International, he's he's he's just every sign
in Salt Lake that has to do with real estate,
if it's a big deal, his name's on it. And
he is the one who formed a LLC known as

(27:19):
Adamantium LLC, which is now the LLC or real estate
holding company that holds the property as ownership. But you know,
I don't know, there's there's there's a massive TV show
where you know, a lot of people can watch what's

(27:39):
going on on a weekly basis. I believe multiple multiple seasons.
It will probably have many more like Oak Island, and
it is allegedly completely transparent now whether or not there's
still military activity. Even the TV show alleges that there

(27:59):
is still engagement by military or governmental forces as the
property and the TV show continue. I can't speak to that,
but what I can tell you is everybody in the
areas kind of said that there's always been this military
or governmental presence, and arguably it continues now. Can you

(28:22):
believe everything on TV? I'm not an expert on that,
but they seem to allege that there is also the
continuation of that.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, you know what, this is just absolutely fantastic, Ryan,
I'm having just a great time. I'm getting educated on
this whole skin Walker situation. We are going to get
over to chat, We're going to see what they have
to say about everything that we've been talking about, and
then after that we are going to unveil I guess

(28:58):
there's like a been some good footage and a big
breakthrough on a situation that just developed over the last
couple of weeks, right, so we have that, we have
some footage of that, and you're going to tell us
about this breaking news at the Skinwalker Ranch after we
get over there. And then we're also going to take
a look at and talk about some more stuff about

(29:20):
the Skinwalker Ranch. Let's get over here. We have Fearlessly
phoenixing in the house. She says, I had a crazy
download regarding our origins and the originals and the aspect
of Galmam and celestial being interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Fearlessly is great. She think they are very into this
and know their stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Okay, cool, cool, because you know, I'm just friends with Karen,
and she asked me, you know, I've been on our
show a few times, but I'm not too familiar with
the community. But it seems like absolutely beautiful people. Fearlessly
thank you for being with us here and watching. Next up,
Helena and Iborg says that Swedish Vikings call them gods

(30:16):
odin Thor and his hammer from space. Interesting. Thank you
for that, Helena. And then next Fearlessly again says and
the crazy lightning strike explosive. A few years ago, I
saw this crazy base in a red mountain, was raised

(30:40):
in this boath and it practices the history. I couldn't
imagine being new to this. You're talking about the space Hammer.
And then Fearlessly says again, I think space Wolf could
be an association and Ryan would be an incredible paranormal

(31:02):
property consultant that those wanting to be part of it
have to go through his program. You think of that,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I'm telling you Fearlessly has some of the greatest ideas.
Fearlessly Phoenix thing does.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Helena is watching us from South Sweden. Wow. And then
let's see Fairusly says Karen. Is incredible. I only learned
over the last little bit that I knew both. I
love both channels. Great to see you all. Wow, Fearlessly,

(31:44):
thank you man. So that's pretty much. We got a
little little bit of interaction with Chat on the topic. Chat.
If there's anything that you want to say about what
we're talking about, go ahead and throw it at in there,
because you are actually part of this whole learning process
and what you have to say is very important. So

(32:07):
we'll come back to Chat in a little while Ryan
and find out what's going on out there. What I
want to talk about next is there's been some developments
out there on the ranch. Can you tell me a
little bit about a couple of weeks ago what happened

(32:28):
you bet?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
And really quickly something that was mentioned in chat where
the Vikings, I believe called them gods. It's similar in
the indigenous culture, like these giants with six fingers literally
very nephelim ish, right. They were called the c tech
Ca by Pyute oral history, and they were giants with

(32:51):
red hair, multiple rows of teeth, six fingers, six toes,
and the allegation is that they were kind of like
the nephilum, sort of demigod or half god. And so
that's really interesting because a lot of times these different
cultures have kind of the same, same descriptions and same ideas.

(33:12):
So something we had happen at space Wolf Research recently
within the last couple of weeks, and some of your
some of the listeners may know about this because I've
already talked about it a little bit on my own channel.
We had an entity very much something unbelievable without any

(33:35):
hair there.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
It is.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Kind of chupa cabra ish entity, almost morphing and moving
about like it's looking for something. This is not a
typical entity in the area. We've sent it off to
a variety of experts. One particular expert at Berkeley had
things to say about it. Now, what's interesting is all

(34:00):
the experts agree that it is thinner than anything, even
if there's a prosaic explanation for all this. Even if
it was something like a coyote with mange, it's much thinner.
There's zero hair on it. It seems to be hunting
at night, which if it's a starving coyote with mange,

(34:22):
chances are it's going to be looking around during the
daytime for food because mange has an array of consequences.
But this thing's very much hunting at night, as if
it still knows what it's doing. And it also seemed
to look at the cameras it knew it was being recorded,
which is odd because these cameras are completely silent and

(34:43):
virtually unnoticeable, you know, if you can walk just a
foot away from one and you don't even know it's there.
So the fact that this creature was looking directly at
the camera each time it passed is very strange. And
it wouldn't take its eyes off camera. So yeah, this
is just something that happened within the last couple of

(35:04):
weeks is a creature that shouldn't be there, that's there.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Wow. Yeah, So now this is like on the skin
rock deep into the woods.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Or believe it or not, this particular camera upfront, close
to the main entrance of Space Wolf Research is where
the least amount of activity happens. Usually you catch things
like this towards the back of the property along the
fence line with Skinwalker Ranch. However, this particular creature was

(35:43):
only about oh my gosh, maybe seventy yards into the property,
so pretty close. I mean, just past what I call
the black box or sort of the command center up front.
It was just past that and actually captured by a
camera face that direction, and it went by multiple times
and it it it didn't seem to care. Now, we've

(36:08):
caught other things further back on the property that are
also very telling, but this was really amazingly close to
a portion of the property that we consider safe.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Wow. So Phoenix fearless Phoenix scene says the movements were
crazy and has this transformative like body that thing bekaw
thin it is. I mean, that's like weird I've never

(36:39):
seen with the whole hunched, you know. And then how
these what's with these other eyes is like shape shifting
or something that almost looks like an owl. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Let's see see what else she has to say to
the eyes. Totally reminded me of when Buddy caught his
eyes vacation. Probably I'm blanking on the name he was
on Ryan Show. So she's talking about some similarities here
in some past episode. This is crazy, and this footage

(37:23):
is everywhere now this clip, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, there's yeah, and you know, Ryan, I think too.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's the thing when you really think about this whole
situation is obviously you have this strip of land for
a long period of time has been strange, right, Okay,
weird things, shape shifting, UFOs, energy centers, underground, It's certainly

(37:54):
been crazy for a long time. So I bet it's
attracting all kinds of people that come out that truly
want to do good research on it and find good
creditible things to you know, talk about. And then I
bet you also get a lot of whack jobs that

(38:14):
come out there and try to fabricate and film stuff
or fabricate things. Right, that kind of ruins it for
everyone in a weird way.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Right, You get it all, Yeah, you get it all.
You get drones flying over the property almost on a
nightly basis. You get a lot of LOOKI lose people,
which I don't mind. I mean parking in front of
the property, you know, getting their pictures, getting selfies.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I don't mind that.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
You get what I believe, in the opinion of many
people who know more than I do. Countless different contractors,
and not all of them have permission to uh. There
are those who ask permission, Hey can we come on
your property and do some research? And I appreciate that.

(39:09):
But you also have those that just do it right.
It was zero direct communication. They just seem entitled. You
do this to trespass and to do what they will,
and so you get it all.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
You get, you get everything. Yeah, well I'll tell you what.
Let's do this. Let's take a look. Let me see here.
Let's take a look at some footage or some stuff
and I can get your take on it. Let me
find it here. We're going to take a look at
some clips here. Well, first, this is the one of

(39:47):
the I guess they had called the police out uh
to some property near the Skinwalker Ranch and said there
was some strange noises in a strange animal YadA, YadA, YadA,
and this cop comes out and uh, you can see that,
you know, he's tripped out. Look at this. Okay, so

(40:08):
there he is, he's looking around. This is a real cop.
It's real footage.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
And believe it or not, we we just had to
call law enforce.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Goodbye, look at him.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
He's out of there.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
He's out of there, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
We just had to call law enforcement two days ago
for a similar anyway.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
But yeah, really, well tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, so we actually had an awkward scenario. That's all
I can say. At Space Wolf Research, I can't go
into the details, but I assure you we have got
some great law enforcement out there. They I was talking
with a caretaker and he said, did you call the police?

(40:49):
And I said I did, And he said, you won't
believe this. They're already here, and so so God blessed them.
They were quick about it. But yeah, this happens. That's
a really interesting clip. I haven't seen. I haven't seen. Uh,
that's an interesting clip. I think it's understated. I mean,
what are you gonna do when you see something like that?

(41:09):
I think you would.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Serve and protect And it's like, I'm out of here. Okay, No,
we're talking about also too. We're talking about clips of
supposed skin Walker sightings and their credibility. We're not saying
whether it's creditible or it's not credible. We're just giving
our opinion on it. Okay. There's this is one of

(41:33):
the really famous one. What do you think of this one?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah? And there's a lot of CGI stuff out there, right,
like you said, so you have to take all these
clips and kind of run them through your own filter.
Some some are more realistic than others.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, and then you know, you think about things like, well,
are you just standing there in shock? Are you backing up? Okay?
And then there's this one which really gets me. I
don't know if you've seen this one.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
You know, I can't speak to the validity of this one,
but believe it or not, there's a gentleman that recorded
something similar that I know is real. So even if
this particular clip is not real, I know a gentleman
that recorded something. I've actually had him on my podcast.
His name is Robert, and his his clip is real.

(42:36):
And it looks a lot like this, almost like a break,
which is, you know, along the lines of a windigo
or something of that nature. But yeah, so even though
particular clips might not be real, they represent something that is.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, And to me, when I look at this one,
I'm like, Okay, it's got like this blue filter. And
you know, me personally, if I'm standing up my porch,
I mean, I'm you know, like six foot four, two
hundred and thirty pounds, I'm not you know, I got
a lot of testosterone running through me. I'm not like

(43:14):
afraid of stuff, you know, I wouldn't just if you notice.
I noticed similarly the last one is they're just standing there.
They're not backing up, they're not moving forward, they're not
saying anything, you know. But it's a trippy. Uh, it's
a trippy one just because when you see how long
the arms are, it fits all the criteria, you know.

(43:38):
But it's like me personally, I would I'd want to
catch that if it was on my property, I wouldn't
let it loose, see what I'm saying. I'd run and
grab it and catch it and put it on a gate,
put it in a cage or something. You see what
I'm saying. But then again, maybe it was someone that
it's scared, so they just stood there. Who knows. Now

(44:02):
this next clip is supposedly a skin walker. This is
on some property outside of the Skinwalker ranch, and I
guess they yelled to it and it turned around and
ran towards them. I don't know what and I don't

(44:22):
know if it ran all the way, but this is
all we have of it. Well, No, eight, that's something else. Okay,
that's a different clip. I'm not sure, but I think
I get back to that later. There's a clip of it.
But these are all just strange clips. This one kind

(44:43):
of gets me. I have no idea. This is supposedly
from the Internet of a skin walker on this guy's
thing on top of his.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Arbor, and this is eerily reminiscent of a number of
Whether it's real or not, I can't speak to that,
but a number of reports I've gathered from the area,
everything from Fruitland, Utah, where I've gathered a report of

(45:17):
something similar where it jumped on the roof, to actually
even in Las Vegas when those aliens allegedly landed in
the backyard of the Kenmore family. They claimed that they
went inside and that these things jumped up on the
roof and were click clacking around as they were doing
a prayer circle. So this stuff happens. Whether or not

(45:40):
this clip is realistic, it definitely is eerie.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, and look Helenus as Skinwalker ranchswell crash in Sweden.
We got UFO in the Baltic Sea. Wow. Yeah, and
ghost rockets and Sweden. She's smoking in joint and joining
the Showelujah. Oh and I sneezed. That just gives it

(46:10):
even more of a validity. Look at that. But yeah,
these this is once again property outside of because I
guess you own the property, like completely overlooking it right.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Correct, It's it's just to the south of it.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And we see rockets all the time getting launched out
of there all the time. I got, yeah, even recent
footage of the rockets getting launched out of there.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
So I here's that one creature running back at them.
See look at it. Wow, that's outside of the Skinwalker Ranch.
It gets to the west of it. And then there's
this one. Have you seen this one? Let's see almost

(47:00):
like a really tall uh. I forget the highway with
this is off one of the main highways that takes
you into this area, you know, and they were driving
in and this is what they saw.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
And you do see things all the time that that
now that area. I think this is probably from a
different area, but you do see things all the time
driving in. There's an area known as dead Man's Curve
where a number of people lose control of their vehicles
from time to time. It's it's an.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Area dead Man's Curve going in right at the entrance.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Right at the entrance actually, uh, the road leading into
the ranch. And I've personally seen with other people in
the vehicle to skin walkers along that same road or
what I would consider people practicing the witchery way or
this bad medicine, this dark black magic, and oh wow,

(48:11):
it's real, man, it's real.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So in other words, this curse, this whole thing is
about shape shifting to kind of I guess right, yeah,
you know, because they can shape shift into a human
or an entity or a spirit like look at this one.
I guess right, Look at this one. This was just
in twenty twenty two. Look at that? What is that? Wow?

(48:45):
Tell me about this shape shifting situation, because I just
new to it, you know, I mean, yeah, I know
what shape shifting is. But I mean, as far as
this whole wolf curse underground energy field, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, so I've studied it deeply. I've gotten all the books,
the anthropology, the the study that other other folks have
done into the actual both both native and non native,
and you can more or less put together how to

(49:20):
become one. If you if you get all the literature
on this, and you have a number of Indigenous acquaintances,
you can very much put together the process or the
ingredients of how to practice this this witchery way, this

(49:40):
dark magic and actually learn how to shape shift. It's
it's an array of really hideous stuff that you have
to do. But what I can tell you is it's
not like uh teen wolf where or you know, an
American were wolf in London where your bones crack and
you have the clause. When I've spoken to family members

(50:04):
of indigenous associates of mine who claim that they very
much know how to do it, what they've said is
that it is a lot more like a remote viewing
or something more controlled in that they will they will

(50:25):
become that entity in a much more controlled fashion. It's
not like the moon pops up and they just crack
into a No, they very much focus on what they
want to become. They incorporate the pelt of the animal
they want to become, and there's a process to it,
much like magic, and that eventually, slowly but surely, they

(50:47):
will become that animal and be in the space they
want to be and appear to be that animal when
witnessed by others.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, when I you know, when I learn about all
this and I try to decipher it in my own mind,
you know, I start to think of questions like do
they breed? Are they? Do they live forever? Do they
you know what I'm saying, Do they because they can

(51:20):
shape shift into dimensions and stuff, they don't die maybe
or something, So they're constantly just regenerating endless life or something,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, that's an interesting question because yeah, they've opened themselves
up completely to become quite literally vessels for darker entities
to enter. And those darker entities are oftentimes entities that

(51:53):
will go along family lines. And what I mean is
the same family will have the same entities within their
family line. And so there's this pressure from what I understand,
if for example, Mama is a skin walker, there's pressure
to the next generation for at least one of the

(52:15):
children to become or continue this not only not only
to continue the family line, but also to be a
vessel or container or housing for these dark entities to
continue on.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
And that looks like a vessel of dark entity me
right there. And also too, like you said, they can
see this is they're they're moving around right. This is
exactly what you were just describing this that one. Have

(52:50):
you seen that one?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, I've seen that one. It's it's really interesting. The
the the reality is they won't share a lot of
this Even people that I believe I'm close with, they
wouldn't share a lot of this stuff with me until
I kind of checked all the boxes. In one particular

(53:11):
case where I was asking some serious questions, I went
out to this individual's home. I knew them very well,
and they said that their mother and their brother were
skin walkers. They weren't, but that they they were, and
they could answer my questions if I did the right things.
And we talked for some time, and he brought out

(53:34):
a plate of cookies and he said, my mom said
she'll talk to you, but you have to eat a
cookie first.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
And I knew what that meant. I knew there was
something in that cookie, and sure enough, things changed after
I ate that cookie. But they allowed me to go
into their home and actually talk to the mother and
ask her questions, and she very much acted as if
this is just how it was, like she almost didn't
have any control of the situation. Just it always been

(54:04):
that way. This is something I do, and you know,
it's for the benefit of my family, And a lot
of these families are, believe it or not, they're doing
things like grave robbing. If they want things that other
families have, they will when when the it's very march

(54:26):
matriarchal in that, Let's say that a powerful person in
another family passes, they have to sort of watch their
grave because there's the very likely potential that their grave
will be robbed and that you know, fingernails, teeth, hair,
and even jewelry of that person and clothing will be

(54:47):
taken by somebody practicing the witchery way so that they
can gain or harness that energy and use it for
their own benefit.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Well, look at this, Fearless. Fearlessly says that, I guess
you and your mom witnessed a lady's shape shift from
a pelt to an animal to a woman.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, this is a really wild one. I saw the
same lady girl younger lady on the roadways around Space
Wolf Research twice. The first time I was with my
head of security, Alan Jin, and we saw her literally

(55:33):
early in the morning. We were driving to breakfast and
we saw her. She was completely naked with a satchel
with the head with fur and anyway where they keep
their magical items, and she had a satchel, no shoes,
completely naked, and she was running out of a field,

(55:53):
jumped over a barbed wire fence across the road, and
as she crossed the road, she smiled and waved, which
was really creepy, and then she jumped over the next
barbed wire fence and ran into that field. Fences that
I could not jump over, and I think even in
my prime, I couldn't jump over. I'm starting to get older, and.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
We were shocked.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Fast forward, this is about six months later. I was
in the area with my mom. I'd already told her
this story, you know, months ago, and we were coming
up on the same road but a different location, just
further north, on the same road, and we saw something

(56:36):
in the road. It looked like either a dead dog
or a pelt or something dark and just kind of
a mound, and sure enough, as we approached it, it
started to morph and stand up, and it was this
same lady, this same young girl. She had red face
paint this time. And she was fully cloth thank goodness,

(57:00):
because mom was there and well, not fully clothed, no shoes,
and her bottoms were sort of kind of halfway on,
halfway off. She had a shirt of some sort, and
she again had that satchel. Now what's interesting is she
kind of came up from that crouched huddled, looked like

(57:21):
a dead dog position, and again when we went by,
slowly smiled and waved. And I've spoken with shaman about
these two sightings and they said these were both warning sightings.
In other words, the third one is going to be
the mother load in that when you see her the
third time, don't smile, don't wave, in fact, don't even

(57:46):
look in her eyes because the third time is the charm,
as they say in magic, and that these were omens.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Wow, So let me get this straight. You've personally witnessed
this shape shifting animal pelt situation. Was it similar to
something like this where you can see there's two people,
but looks like this person starts to shape shift.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
You know it Actually the.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Person help down.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, kind of that part right there, that part. Yeah,
when they're all the way down on the ground, it's
just a mound, and then something kind of erupts out
of it or starts to fold out of it. The
way she folded out of that huddled position was very unnatural.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah. See, well it almost looks like a wolf, but
this person isn't attacking them. The person is trying to
help them, because they actually come up behind them and
the person actually just starts to collapse. So the person's all,
what's going on here? You know, just awkward but definite,

(59:07):
some weird shape shifting situation going on here, you know. Yeah,
And I.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Spoke with another individual who's very familiar with a lot
of the anthropology that goes into this bad medicine, as
they call it, this dark magic, and he said that.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
When you have these.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Witchery way practitioners that are learning to shape shift or
do know how to shape shift, these skin walkers, that
they praise an entity that is a female, and that
the face paint or the red face paint on the
face was basically paying homage to this particular entity. He

(59:53):
went into all the ins and outs, and there seems
to be something very real about it. It's not the
first first time, or I'm sure it won't be the
last time that I see something strange, and I would
say that it was just strange that I saw them
both times with people that were very close to me,
both Alan and my mom, and that kind of added

(01:00:16):
a little legitimacy. It's a lot different when you see
something like this by yourself. You start to question your
own sanity, which is what happened the first time I
ever had an encounter. And it's a lot better. Let's
just say, when you see this with other people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah, so I probably would expect that, you know, down
the road in the future and in the past, there's
always people wanting to connect with you that are interested
in this Skinwalker Rant situation. So you probably meet a
lot of colleagues and you've probably met a lot of

(01:00:53):
people that are doing some serious research just like yourself. Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yes, yeah, I have a lot of people reach out
and I've met a lot of people through it. It's
it's pretty neat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Nice And so we're coming to the end of the show. Everyone,
we want to thank everyone for being here. Ryan, do
you do just like random pop up lives about your
hero paranormal uh space wolf research is it or is
there like a set time every week that you go
or you just pop up a couple of times, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I just kind of randomly do it as content comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and especially this new one.
I really enjoyed the new one with this uh this
latest yeah whatever, that is crazy, man. I really had

(01:01:53):
a good time checking that out and stuff. And I
really had a good time hanging out with you and
learning a lot about something that didn't know that much about.
And now I think I'm completely informed. If anybody who's
gonna ask me about the Skinwalker Ranch, I'm gonna know what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
You can tell them a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Thing or two. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, that's great, Gary, It's always good talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, all right, I froze up a little bit. I
want to thank everyone in their chat Lisa Noel, great show.
Thanks a Lisa for being here fearlessly. Thank you so
much for all your interjection and your energy and your
vibes in the chat room. We appreciate that. Helena sparking

(01:02:50):
it up in Sweden, you are awesome. Thank you for
giving us your energy and your time on this topic.
Don Wilson Walters, thank you so much for being here. Denise,
you are awesome. Karen's probably going to watch the replay
and She's going to see that you guys were here
and you guys were awesome, and let's see who else.

(01:03:18):
Boom boom boom Denise, Denise, you're Leslie, Elena. I want
to miss anybody, right, so I was growing back. I
think that's it. Ryan, thank you so much. You are
a really really cool dude. And maybe some day I
might come out there and do a tour of the

(01:03:40):
Skinwalker Ranch with you and maybe something weird to happen
when I'm out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
It'd be great to have you and for anybody listening in.
We are going to have I don't want to call
it an open house, but August fourteenth through the sixteenth,
we're allowing people to more or less come out to
the property and sort of tour it. So it's in

(01:04:04):
correlation with something called the Moon Lake Gathering.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Wow, the Moonlake Gathering, And is there like a kind
of it's kind of like a tour and you have
like a tour guide or something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
It'll just be me, Yeah, it'll just be me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And that's in August and as through the sixteenth, nice,
and then is that going to turn into like an
annual thing kind of you know it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Sort of hash where usually people at the Moonlake gathering
would ask me, can we just come out and look?
And I'd say yes, And I did it the year
before last, I did it last year, and so this
year it's sort of an unspoken reality that if you
want to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Just come out and look, that is awesome. Thank you
Ryan so much for being here, and thank you Karen
for letting me host Quantum Guideline Show. You you gave
me a show with an awesome dude as with all
the right answers. So for Quantum Guidelines and Karen for

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