E230 Nina the Mystic & Jennifer Halcame – DEATH & DYING - Quantum Guides Show with Karen Holton

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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hi, everybody, Welcome back to the Quantum Guide Show. Oh today,
I'm very happy to bring back our panel of mystical mothers,
Nina the Mystic and Jennifer How Came And for those
of you who are not familiar, let me tell you
a little bit about them. Nina was born and raised
in Norway, but moved to Canada as a young adult

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to be with her family. While growing up, Nina had
several spiritual experiences, including sleep paralysis for the first forty
two years of her life, but it disappeared when she
left Christianity and started to study the occult. Nina makes
YouTube videos and offers private sessions for those who seek

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spiritual advice and guidance. You can see her website below
for more information. She works as a mystic as a mystic,
but spends a lot of time being a truth seeker,
combining all her knowledge to teach and grow with others,
which has become a passion for her. Jennifer hal came
as a certified Reiki Master, teacher, healer, life coach, and

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psychic intuitive with over thirty years of experience. She is
dedicated to helping others heal and align with their true path.
And her link is also below. Today we do a
deep dive into the subject of death and dying and
how we share our beliefs with the younger members of
our family. All of the links are featured below in

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Welcome everybody, So without further ado, I will bring my

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guests onto the stage. Hi, Nina and Jennifer, how you
guys doing today?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hi Karen doing wonderful?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Good?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now, it's kind of a deep subject today.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And don't worry.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
There's no wrong answer. There's no right answer. There's no
right correct philosophy on this. You know. I respect everybody's
positions and where they're coming from. I recently had a
trip to the West Coast, oh And by the way,
I want to thank Gary Michael May McGill for hosting
for me while I was away.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Did a great job.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
So while I was away, I was staying with family
and my two granddaughters.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was spending quite.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
A lot of time looking after them while their parents worked.
And my daughter's family is very secular, so they haven't
they don't really have a framework to pass on to
their children to do with spirituality. And recently a few
family members have died and the girls who just turned

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six were very upset because they asked, where's Grandpa gone,
and they were told, well, we buried him. You know,
he's buried in the ground. You won't see him anymore.
And he's buried on the side of a hill and
that's that's where he is now. You just won't be
seeing him anymore. And the girls were really upset. Then
they lost their uncle Rick, and they're very upset that

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we were just taking all these people, old people and
burying them in the ground and done with them. So
I wanted to talk to them about death and dying,
and so I'll get into it a little bit, but
I just wanted to say how I came to this subject.
And when you're dealing with grandchildren, you know, we also

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have to respect what their parents, our grown children want
for them and believe. And it could be kind of dicey,
but I still think as grandmothers we can actually or
mothers that we can actually do a great deal to
not indoctrinate our grandchildren, but to give them some reliefs

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so they're not worrying and not upset. So I get
a little bit more into what I told them. I thought, maybe, Jennifer,
do you have any words of wisdom you want to
add to this.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I agree with you. I think it's important to give
them some sort of context to why they don't see
these people anymore. And you know, even if it's not
what they choose to believe, as far as you know
what happens after, it gives them something to a seed

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to start developing those particular understandings. But yeah, it is
hard for them when it's just something no one talks about,
or they're not given and satisfactory answers, like we just
put them in the ground, you know. Yeah, yeah, because kids,

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they get very confused, very easily with these things. But
I also think that they have an understanding that adults
don't have because they are not so many years separated
from what was before and what's after. And sometimes if
you catch them young enough, they can actually remember where

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they were before and where they're going next before the
whole world puts up blocks and tells them that's not true.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
And Nina, No, Nina, I hope it's okay for me
to say this, Nina. But Nina's of Viking roots. They
had a very strong spiritual belief system. So the children
were not afraid of death, not afraid of much from
what I understand, not being a historian or anything. But Nina,
do you do you want to talk a little bit

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about that or just talk about you know, your own
personal approach. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I mean, you know, I guess if you're an atheist,
I guess you don't have much to say on that regard.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
So that's kind of too bad for the.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Children really, that they're not getting any spiritual education at all.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
You know, as a matter of fact, the whole death.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Thing seems kind of scary then, you know what I mean,
rather than telling them that, hey, it's just the body
that's leeving, you know, our actual soul moves on somewhere.
I also, it sounds a lot you know, more acceptable,
I would think. But yeah, I know, the old Viking, Yeah,
they had a big, huge, you know, the Viking funeral
or a little ship where they it's basically cremation. But

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then on the ocean, I guess, out in the water
or something of water. But yeah, I mean, you know,
before the Christianity came in, you know that there was
a lot of spirituality there. And of course the promise
was that if you died in battle that you would
go to Valhalla.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
So that's always interesting, you know, so even for a kid.
But yeah, let's go to ball hall, you know, so it.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Doesn't seem as scary as in, Oh, you get buried
in the ground and then what you know, what if
you wake up in that coffee, you know what I mean,
like you just your mind would just start, you know,
going to places that's probably not the healthiest, you know.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
So I think it's important to talk to them about.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
It, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
But if you don't have any spiritual beliefs, then.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
I guess you don't have much to talk about, I guess.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So, yeah, their parents are very very secular. It's not
that they don't want to, they just don't really know.
I mean, they're into dungeons and dragons and all that
cool stuff, but they don't have Uh. Of course, I
raised my kids, well, fortunately or unfortunately, raised them in

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a cult.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I raised them as Jehovah.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Witnesses long since have left that and so have they,
And it did offer some stability, but certainly not good
answers and clear answers on anything. So now they're not
really sure what they believe, and so they don't really
pass anything spiritually onto the children.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Now, what's interesting.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
About these kids is back like they both have had
an amazing They're twins but not identical, and they both
have an amazing understanding of concepts far beyond their years,
which has always surprised me. I wouldn't be surprised if
they were both gifted. Course, maybe all the grandmas think that.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
But when one of them was about two years old,
I asked her if she was the great grandmother from
her grandfather's side come back, because she had so much
similarity in a parent, you know, and she was only two.

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But she said, yes, yes, that's me, that's me, like
she identified with it right away. Now this time they're
almost six. I go back and I talk to them
about it, and I'm showing them old photographs of family,
including this great grandmother. So I asked her, uh, just
boldly asked her, do you remember when you were your

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great grandmother. Do you remember that? And she says, not really.
She says, but but there's something about it that you know,
there's something about it. And then when I was talking
to them about death and dying, and the way I
explained it to them is that we live for a

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certain period of time here on earth and a body.
Then we give up our body, but we have an
invisible self that's here even when we're in our body,
and that invisible self goes on to what I called
magic Land, which is a place where things are pretty
cool and you get to have a really good life,

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and when you're ready to come back or go into
another life, you get another body. And the one who
identified as the great grandmother looks like her, so much
like her, she said, Oh, I get it. So we
live for a while in our body, but we have
an invisible spirit. Then we die and then my invisible

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spirit goes and it goes places, and you call it
magic Land, So I think it's going to be really
good there. And then if I want, I can come back,
just like I did with my great grandma, and I
get to live over again. And she says, it's like
a big circle. It just goes round and round, and
I was shocked because I mean, she was just turning

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sex and here she was coming out with these gems
of wisdom. So I think, really I tried not to
indoct them, but I think now they're not as afraid.
And they also when we went for walks and stuff,
when we looked at dirt and flowers and bugs and that,
I told them, well, all of that breaks down and
turns into the soil, just like when we're buried, our

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bodies break down and turn into the soil, and we
feed plants and we allow things to grow so other
things can live, but our spirit goes on. So it
really helped a lot as far as putting their mind
at ease and not worrying about grandpa and their uncle
being just buried on hills someplace. And they also understood

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to an amazing degree a fairly concept, a fairly deep concept.
I was quite surprised. So I thought I'd bring it
up and see if you folks are able to talk
to your grandchildren or your children, depending on your situation.
I know, Jennifer Russian, you you're still in the children's stage. Yeah,

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I just wanted to get your thoughts on all of that.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Honestly, I thought you explain that in a very very
wonderful way and very easy for for kids to grasp
that concept, because you're right, it's it's hard because it's
a big concept that a lot of adults don't even

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really understand. But yeah, I think that's a wonderful way
to describe it to them. I may have to use
it with my grandkids. My kids, I guess they were
a lot like me. My oldest son was in the
way that he was introduced at a very young age

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to death and was taught not to be scared of it.
M that it doesn't mean that you cease to exist.
I kind of explained to my oldest uh that it
was kind of like living in a house and then
one day you go to work and you come home

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and your house is burnt down. It doesn't mean you
cease to exist. That just that your house is gone.
So at some point, when you're ready, you'll find a
new house kind of thing, and it it seemed to
resonate with him pretty well. He's dealt with death. My
youngest one only has experienced my mother, but he didn't

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come to see her or anything, uh before she passed
because she was on the other side of the country,
so I don't think it hit him as bad because
she wasn't in his life on a daily basis, uh,
whereas my oldest son called her every day and talked
to her every day and spent summers with her and

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and that kind of thing. So U, I may actually
have to use your explanation care and on my youngest
side if it comes to that. Yeah, but he's dealing
with his dad having cancer and you'll be gone soon,
so I think we're really going to have to delve
into the subject in the next year or so.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Thank you, and thank you for your kind words, because
you know, many of us were raised at a completely
different time and things were not explained to me, and
I was just supposed to know. Well I didn't know,
you know, And I was afraid of death for.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
A really, really long time.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Like I'm ashamed to admit it, well into adulthood, you know,
until I started well, especially experiencing the occult that really
helped me to relax and on that happ you know, Nina, what.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Are your.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I know the occult actually straightened you out. People
think it's the opposite, but to help straighten you out,
from what I understand.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, for those of you who watched me on the
previous show with Karen, you'll know that I was spiritually
attacked for the first forty two years of my life.
So it wasn't until I got out of Christianity that
things started to calm down a little bit. But growing
up in Norway, of course, as you know, you know,
two thousand years ago or fifteen hundred years or whatever
it was, we literally got beat over the head with

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you either convert to Christianity or you lose your head literally,
So everybody you know over there calls themselves a Christian
of course, because you kind of have to. And it's
all you know, holding hands with the with the state,
church and state. You know, so if you're not baptized,
then you can't get married and all this kind of stuff.

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It's all inter just one big mafia, really is what
it is. And so growing up, you know, with that story,
I mean, that's horrible of thinking that, oh, your loved
one might be going to hell, you know. So yeah,
that's not very comforting at all, you know, And if
you really dive into the whole religion, they're basically saying

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that we're born a sinner. We're always a ciner and
we can never get out of that. So technically, then
according to what they're saying, is that everybody's going to
hell essentially, then if that's the case, so you know,
it's not very comforting at all.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
You would think that, oh, religion will no, No, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
So getting out of that hole was very relaxing, honestly,
Like you said, like just knowing that, you know, I
was just thinking about your kids, like, oh, my god,
does that mean that my if my kids die now,
they're going to hell? And like it's horrible to think
about you grandkids. They're born a sinner, they're gonna you
know what I mean, Like, it's horrible. So I hope
that whoever's listening is kind of gotten out of that

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as well and get a little bit more relaxed about
the whole thing. I mean, that's one thing for sure.
All of us are gonna die one day and nobody's
getting out of here alive, so you might as well
just relax and.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know, just you know what I mean, Yeah, be
ready for it. I guess as much as you can.
But I do believe like if there is.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
A Hell, I would say this is hell, you know.
I mean, we actually go back to somewhere else, So
you know, look at it that way, because there's not
a lot of good things here, to be honest, there's moments,
but a lot of it is struggle, most of the
struggle learning, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
So yeah, I would totally agree with you. Now, another
thing I did that's sort of like, well, I wanted
to start talking about death because I'm not going to
be around forever.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I'm not that old, but.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
You know, you never know, really when you get into
your seventies, every day is a bonus kind of thing, right,
And I wanted to start preparing them so they wouldn't
be sad. So another thing I did with them is
one of the twins is very attached to me, very
very attached, and just so sad when I have to leave,

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and thank goodness, at least one of them.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
We won't get into that.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
But.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
What I did was I said to them to help
prepare them too. I said, well, you know that you
have a spirit body, now, don't you? And they said, well,
not really, And I said, well, what about when you're dreaming.
When you're dreaming, you go places and see things and
do interesting things. And they said, yeah, we do so
I said, okay, why don't we start practicing this when

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you're missing me, when you're sleeping. This could make me
cry a little bit when you're sleeping at night. Meet me. Sorry,
that chokes me up. I said, meet me in the
rose Garden and they said, well, what do you mean?
And I said, well, in your dreams, find the rose Garden.

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Go there and call me, call me to join you.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Sorry, the Loriena know what's matter with me? I'm silly,
old woman.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
And they said that's a great idea. Can we do
that tonight? And I said, yeah, you can do that tonight.
You can start now. And they were so happy that
they got to do this special activity with me while
they're sleeping.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
So then a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Later, I would say to them, did you meet me
in the rose garden? Did you look for me? Did
you call me? They said, oh, we forgot. We're going
to try again tonight. And they said to me, can
we have a tea party there? Or could we have
a picnic there? I said, we can do anything we want, guys.
We can even fly when we go there. It's an amazing,

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amazing place. I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm crying.
I'm just an emotional old lady anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
So I told them that. So they started practicing while
I was there.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And I don't necessarily wake up with any huge transdimensional
experiences with them. I might, I don't know, because that
is sor forte, but it helped to get them used
to that there's enough part of them that can escape
and have a place to go find love, find enjoy,

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you know.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Find good things.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And I was hoping it would help prime them so
that when the day comes, because I just love them
so much. I have never loved anybody as much as
I love my grandkids. I love my grown kids, but
the grandkids that's something real special, and I want them
to be able to have an option where they can
find me.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
So I'm hoping it works.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
It might not, but you know it's worth a shot, right.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I love that, Karen, I love that, And yeah, I
might have to steal that one tea.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, it's based on my own, Like I've had all
these transdimensional experiences. If I'm having them, I'm sure other
people are too. I listen to the podcast called the
Telepathy Tapes, and I found out there's all kinds of
people all over the world that are doing this. And
then the more I you know, reach into the occult
and into you know, I'm not into like heavy duty

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ritual magic or anything. I'm certainly into hearing about all
the possibilities.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think it's an amazing life if we let it be.
And so if it can happen for me, can it
happen for my grandchildren? Can it happen for other people?
I'm sure it can. I'm I'm under the impression all
we got to do really is practice, let that possibility
exist floated out there, and then practice, and you know,

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we might be surprised what we find. Nina, you got
any thoughts on all that?

Speaker 4 (22:49):
No, I just want to mention because today it happens
to be Ozzy Osborne's funeral.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Oh interesting in all right, So.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
He just had his last a big back to the
beginning a concert there like literally two weeks ago, and
today is his funeral already.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
So I think he went on his own terms, like
he was done. You know, he's a lot of pain
and you know, on whatever. So he.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, I managed that whole thing himself, which I think
is you know, a good thing as well, I know,
why suffer for another you know, three four years when
you can just say goodbyes and then leave, you know
what I mean. Like, I don't know where they stand
as far as the spiritual side of it. I know
he was known as sort of the Prince of darkness,

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but that was all just a facade. They they weren't
into that stuff on a you know, at home, you
know kind of thing. But yeah, it's very interesting. And
also that whole death thing is kind of lingering right now.
And you mentioned a couple of people dying. A lot
of people are exiting now. And I predicted this last
year that twenty twenty five there's gonna be a law

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a lot of deaths for different reasons. But yeah, it's
starting to show now. I'm starting to hear it more
and more. And you know, some be prepared for that
and also in a good place so that you're not lost,
so you're not confused as to where your loved ones
are or where you're going or.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I think desire is kind of like the rudder on
our little boats, you know, and what our intention is
and what we really want, you know. And I also
think and I could be way off course with this,
But I also think that some of us are here
not necessary. Well, I think we're all here for soul evolution,

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but I think some of us are here to know
how to describe this, to see to show what other
people are about.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Now, give you an example.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
If you have people who are really harsh to you
for you know, you know, you're really working hard trying
to be a good person, and they just won't stop
attacking you or telling lies about you or horrible stuff,
it's almost like against us as a backdrop shows what
those people are really about and shows what their true

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intentions are, because we know what's real and what's really
happening and what's not. I don't know if you guys
have ever been accused of doing things that you never
even would have thought of in a million years. Where
the heck do they get that from? But they're convinced
it's real, and often it's projection. And you know, let's
face it, there's no shortage of narcissism and empathy deficient

(25:47):
stuff going on. But I remember several times in my
life not saying I'm a perfect person, but I really,
you know, try to be a good person, always have
and I'd say, you know, why is this happening to me?
And it's it's like the whole experience is being kind
of like being filmed or recorded through my soul, if

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that makes sense, Because sometimes I wonder, well, like what
you said, Nina, maybe this is hell, because there's a
lot of shit going on on this planet and in
our societies, things that should not be happening. I hear
the politicians talk about this and that, but nobody's talking
about releasing the children from child trafficking and human trafficking,

(26:34):
and oh my god, there's horrible stuff, even the diseases
that are being cast from greedy corporations and god knows what.
I'm not sorry, I'm gonna try not to go too
far down that rabbit hole because it's pretty disturbing, But
I'm going, isn't anybody else noticing this stuff should not

(26:54):
be happening? This should not be happening, And so, you know,
sometimes I think maybe this is it, and maybe we're
here not just to be a backdrop, like I mentioned,
but also maybe we're here to prove that we don't
have to be like that. Just because they're like that
doesn't mean we have to be like that we can

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actually make a difference. I don't know, I'm kind of
screwed up in my thinking on that, but just let
I put that out there.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I think that's actually the downfall of us right now,
is the way that we are. I guess we don't
lump ourselves in there, but yeah, just the amount of
greed and power hungry and you know, like you said,
look at Gaza, like, how can somebody do that to
your neighbor? Like you know, and you're all screaming, oh, let's.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Not forget well what about that? What you're doing this?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like?

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah, it's just I think, you know, what's going on
here is going to be our downfall if we don't
smarten the hack out real quick. Other beings out there
are probably looking at us thinking, you know what, there's
a hole for these people, like, you know what, I mean,
let's start all over again. And I think that's happened
a few times, to be honest with you, and I

(28:11):
think we're kind of at that, you know point again here.
So I sure hope that they smart enough, but it's
not looking like it when you look at the news
right now. It's you know, scary times.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah, I thought long before now humans would get
to the point where we just couldn't stand war anymore.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, I've been waiting for that day since I
was about fourteen years old and I started going and
hanging out with the hippies. Was the first time I
ever even heard those concepts, and I thought that people
would get tired of it. But nope, nope, there it's
just crazy. And I wonder if people even realize what

(28:56):
that actually means in the daily lives of the people
that are living in those areas. You know, I don't
understand it. There's a lot I don't understand. I mean,
partly why I do these podcasts is to try to understand,
have other people on here, what they have to say,
see how they see things, and you know, but I

(29:16):
do agree with both of you. Death is as natural
as being born. It's an inevitability. It's something we all
got to face, and we need to face it with
some grace and wisdom. I see a lot of people
my age just acting like you know, remember the way

(29:38):
teenagers acted in high school or even younger than that,
just doing that all over again, and I'm going, aren't
you preparing for your day of your death? Don't you
realize you're going to die one day, you need to
have your ducks in order, you need to have your
your situation. Have you said what you needed to say
to people? Have you forgiven? Have you been forgiven?

Speaker 6 (29:58):
You know?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, like there's a lot that goes into being
prepared before you pass over.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I think anyway, maybe not.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Maybe I take it all too seriously, and maybe it's
I don't know. My guides once told me I was
back when I was still worried about death. They told me, Karen,
if you had any idea how many times you were
born and died, you'd be laughing at yourself for worrying
about this small thing.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Apparently it's a small thing.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
There you go, there, you go, just like going to sleep.
So I hear, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just my
two cents. I don't think this is hell. I've always
felt like this was school and that at some point

(30:52):
in human history we got a little hijacked. And yeah,
we self actualize here. So your life is what you created,
you know. And I've heard people get very upset about
this concept, and I'm like, eighty percent of what creates

(31:16):
your life is your subconscious So if you know it's
not about what's happened to you, it's about how you
respond to that. But I feel the same way about death.
What happens when you die is you self actualize. So
whatever you believe it to be is what it will be.

(31:38):
It's the world that you will create for yourself. But yeah,
you know, when it comes to death, I've always just
seen it as a crossing of a veil, like they're
still here. You know, most of my family's gone now,
and I still talk to him. They all showed up

(32:00):
for my wedding. It was the craziest thing. So you know,
death is an old friend of mine, so I've never
greeted him with fear. It's always you know. And I
always felt like the Native Americans, those folks know how
to die, They know how to pass on their wisdom

(32:25):
to the next generation before they leave. I think we've
lost that in our society. The grandkids, they don't respect
the wisdom of the elders anymore. They don't want to
hear it. They think they just don't understand and they
never will, which you know, all kids do, but they're
not taught in the culture that there's a lot of

(32:48):
valuable knowledge and wisdom that needs to be passed on
in order to grow instead of just being lost. So
you know, in my house growing up, yeah, I grew
up very Methodist, which, in case you guys don't know,
is sort of the white wonderbread of Christianity. Not a

(33:09):
whole lot of guilt involved. Do you show up on Sunday,
you sing your hymns and then you go out in
the parking lot and have a cigarette, and everybody goes
and does their thing. So there's not like a whole
lot of guilt involved in the way you should live
your day to day life. But it kind of left
me with a well, a very simple explanation that didn't

(33:34):
make any sense to me about death. So at a
very young age, I just decided that since we all
do it, we all have to go through it. We
never know when it's actually going to happen, that you
should just make friends with him and you know, dance
the dance when it's time. And I've helped so many

(33:57):
people die at this point in time, I quit counting
years ago how many times I've seen people, you know,
cross that veil and they don't leave you. It's like
they're just a thin dimension away. And they communicate all

(34:18):
the time, and they try to help us out and
guide us and protect us. And sometimes they're just assholes
and try to hurt us. But you never know with
your family, you know. But I've just never felt like
this was hell. I've always felt like it is what
you make it, and if those are the lessons that

(34:40):
you need to learn while you're here, then those are
the ones that you go through.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
I look at it as a school too, except I
always felt that school was hell.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
So you need good tea teachers, that's all.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
You know. When I was growing up, my home life
was so dysfunctional that I couldn't function in school, you know.
So there's that, you know, you know, so, but that's
what I needed to go through, so, you know. But
the whole religion thing, you know, I think it's the
reason why we don't talk about death is because of
the religious scarcity, you know, about going to hell and

(35:27):
all of this, so we just don't talk about it.
I think that's that's my understanding, and it was why
we don't really talk about it versus the natives that
are very more open about that whole thing, and you know,
and just the way they go about it.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's just it's part of it's part.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Of life, you know, and we should embrace it and
not look forward to it, but you know, prepare for
it and all that kind of stuff. And also, you know,
instead of just ignoring it, and kids, you know, we
might have questions, they're not getting any answers because you know,
the adults don't want to talk about it. You know,

(36:05):
it's a shameful yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
It is, because honestly, it can be quite beautiful. You know,
my mother when she passed about four years ago now,
she was greeted with angels, and you know, my dad
showed up a couple of days before and he just
kind of hung around the house and and tried to

(36:29):
make her less fearful of what was coming. And uh
but they did. I you know, I saw them, two
of them showed up and and she was not scared.
Uh yeah, at that time. But it to me, I
never saw it as like this hurtful thing. It's a

(36:53):
very natural progression to the next phase of life because
you don't stop living, you know, You're soul goes on.
There's still life there and and so yeah, I think
teaching the kids that it doesn't mean an end. It's
a new beginning, and that life goes on. It goes

(37:16):
on in this dimension and it goes on in the next,
and it doesn't cease to exist because you can't hug
them anymore. And that grief, honestly is for the living.
It's not for the dead. You know, they're good. They're
they're going on and doing what they need to go do,
and they come back. They come back when they've situated

(37:39):
themselves and gotten their bearings. Is to you know, this
new place that they are. They come back, they visit,
they give you advice that you know. But yeah, grief
is definitely for the living. And that was a realization
I had to come to that. The grief for me
was in not being able to hug them like I

(38:01):
always had. But if you ask, they will. They'll still
give you energy hugs. It's the craziest thing.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
I can attest to that because when my aunt Lisa died,
and she stuck around for a good couple of months
after she passed, and she's the type that I wants
to micromanage everything, so she wanted to be around on
the funeral and when all her stuff, you know what
I mean, So and of course, me being in you
know who I am. I could feel her and she
loved it. When I was going live, she would pinch me.

(38:31):
She didn't realize how sensitive I am and I can
feel the smallest little thing. And one time she pinched
me so hard I flinched on the live show, you know,
and she would in the astrols she would come and
give me bear hugs and you know, and stuff like that.
So I know for a fact that we do keep
going on. It's not just some belief or whatever. I

(38:52):
know for a fact that this is okay the way
it is. And she was just so full of life.
I just you know, just the way she was whizzing around,
and it's just I was wonderful. It was wonderful to
experience that, knowing that she was, you know, no more
pain now, no more the stuff that she.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Was going through.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
And is you know, I got proof that, you know.
So yeah, I'm yeah, I'm totally not afraid of dying
at all.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Matter of fact, I'm kind of looking forward to it
in a sense.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
That you know, you know what I mean, I do,
I do.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
I'm hoping that's gonna be better over there than what
it is here.

Speaker 8 (39:30):
You know, so, yeah, but yeah, when I when I
saw my mom for the first time after she passed,
I didn't recognize her right away because she was like
a twenty year old.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
She was very young, and her hair was dark and longer.
And then when I went through some old pictures, I
saw that she was a bit of a glamour girl
back in the day, right, And.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
So my mom was having fun.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I didn't have a lot of contact with her after
she died because I felt that she was off at
just having full adventure. But every year, which happens to
be on Halloween is the anniversary of her death, I
usually make a cup of tea for her and a
cup of tea for me, and I sit down. I
just tell her what's going on with the grandkids and

(40:16):
this and that, although she probably already knows. And then
another thing that's weird with me is quite often relatives
will come and see me on their way out when
they die. And these are not necessarily the people I'm
closest to.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I never know. My one brother who died, I didn't.
I didn't see him.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I didn't expect to see him, but I totally felt
his passing and knew that he was gone, and he
went early. It was a suicide, so he went earlier.
But I totally knew that he had passed. And another
an aunt who I actually didn't wasn't really close to
surprise surprise, she came to see me. I was dreaming.
It was while it was asleep, and she's one of

(40:58):
this beautiful white lady gown and she looked a little
bit younger than what she would look like when she
passed away. She looked a little bit younger than that,
but basically she looked the same. And she just hugged
me and gave me this huge bear hug, and then
she was gone. And so I knew before the family

(41:19):
started putting on Facebook that she had passed. I already
knew that she had passed, right, And.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
So it's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I'm sort of open for anything spiritual. I don't want
to say it's like this or it's like that, because
I don't want to put, you know, concrete blocks around
my beliefs, because I like the surprises. But at the
same time, I felt really good about that one aspect

(41:48):
of my visit back with my grandchildren, because they really
got it, and they got it so easily. And now
they get to when they want to, if they want to,
they can practice meeting me in the roads garden. So
so I thought I was really quite delightful that they
that they wanted to try doing that. So we'll see,
we'll see. I'll keep you all posted on the rose garden.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to hear that.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Yeah, that's a great idea, you know, to teach them young.
Mine are too young to talk about that. Yeah, yeah,
that's that's give me some ideas coming up here.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, well, I'm basically winging it. I've never been a
grandma before. You know, I don't know really that much
about it. Our grandparents, I didn't see a lot of
them except for one, which was my stepdad's mother, and
she was funny. She had so many funny beliefs, but

(42:46):
I never was offended by her. I really loved her
a lot and missed her, and she added an element
of stability to my life, and I want at the
very least to add an elementist ability to my grandchildren's
life if possible. And I actually did tell their parents,
their parents, my daughter and her husband about what I

(43:08):
had told the girls, so they knew I wouldn't do
it behind their back, and they were fine with it,
and they thought, oh, it can be your job to
tell them those hard days. We haven't quite figured it
out yet, but well, they've read my books, so they
know I'm pretty weird. But they already kind of knew
that before, so I wanted to just quickly mention from

(43:33):
the live chat a few people. Of course, we've got Denise.
Denise's my new moderator. I'm thrilled to bits whether she's
at every show, and so far she hasn't had to
do too much referring, but it's nice to know she's
there so I can just get busy with the podcast.
We also had Rudy I'm not sure how to pronounce

(43:56):
your name, Rudy, Rudy ir Rahita with aught some homestead
and he just popped in to say hi. And then
of course we had Helena and Iborg and she is
another one of my favorite Viking women, and she says,
just playing PlayStation five this late night in south east

(44:20):
point of Sweden by the ocean beach, have a great
awakening from Q seventeen. I'm not sure what the other
numbers or letters mean, but she's been real regular to
the show too, I always appreciate. I don't know why,
I have a little bit of a fan thing for
the whole Viking thing. I watched on It was a

(44:40):
little hard to take because I'm not good with digesting
a lot of violence. But that series on Netflix called Vikings,
and then the second one called Vikings Vajalla oh man,
I found it super interesting and I just loved it,
and I love that whole thing. And then a lot
of our they call cosplay and Dungeons and Dragons and

(45:02):
stuff also spins off of that whole way of of
having spirituality and life approach to life. When I was
back on the coast, I was also playing Magic the Gathering,
which is card game a little bit like Dungeons and Dragons.
I play that with my son in law. He's into it.
I'm kind of into it. I don't really have anyone

(45:25):
to play with. Barways play when I'm when I go
visit him, and I really enjoy that. So yeah, it's
interesting how all these cultures have ended up coming together
to form a sort of universal modern culture where we
can kind of understand each other regardless of where you

(45:45):
live in the world. And it's kind of cool too.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, I'm with you. I absolutely love the Viking series.
I'm not sure how historically accurate it may or may
not be, but it's a great series. But I wanted
to add something when it comes to the topic of death.
I don't think anyone should be scared of death. Personally,

(46:13):
death has never bothered me, but suffering does. Suffering bothers
me a lot, And having watched both my parents go
through hospice and die at home, I'm not entirely sure
that I would want to do that, honestly, die at home. Yeah,

(46:34):
but the natural process of it is torture. It's absolute torture.
They end up starving to death until the organ shut down,
and it's a very long process, can take days, weeks,

(46:57):
sometimes months to go through that. Personally, I just hope
mine's quick, what it is, I just hope it's quick.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
The violence can sometimes get to me a little bit,
you know, mm hmmmm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, And I agree.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I have a hard time with suffering, I really do,
and not just personally going through it, but watching other
people go through and I'm very empathetic and I can
feel what that's like. Here in Canada, Nina, you're also Canadian.
They have the MADE program, which is medically assisted in death,
and now they're bringing it out not just for people
who are you know, going to die anyway in are suffering,

(47:47):
but they're now giving it to want to give it
to people who have mental health issues, autism, and what
they call mature youths, which means children who can get
it done without even their parents knowing about it. That's
the way the laws are structured here in Canada. But
what they're not telling people is like there are quick

(48:10):
ways to die. They are not giving them quick ways
to die. They're giving them paralytics so they can't move,
and then they've given them drugs that where they slowly
suffocate in their own lung fluids, so it's not even
a good way to die. And where they got these
drugs from is leftovers from the American penitentiary system where

(48:34):
they would kill people criminals, and then they stopped killing
the criminals. They had all these leftover drugs and so
they started giving them or selling them to the Canadian
government to use to euthanize people. And to me, that's
not euthanizing. I don't want to go that way. That's
a horrible way to go.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
You know, that's horrible.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
That's horrible.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah, talked about this on a different show, and you know,
I wouldn't be surprised that they give you the paralytics
but let you stay alive long enough so you look
like you're done right to your relatives or whatever.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
But you're still alive, but you're suffering. Can harvest your organs.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That's why that's it, Bingo Nina.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Something can harvest your organs.

Speaker 9 (49:24):
That's what it's. The boats it's got to be. If
they're letting that many people do it up there. I mean,
Colorado has assisted suicide, but it's one of those things
where you have to have two doctars sign off that
you'll be dead in six months anyway kind of thing,
and you have to have a terminal illness. But they

(49:45):
they don't give that. They give you a lethal dose
of morphine.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I'd be down for that. I told my husband, I said,
if anything happens and I'm terminal, yeah, I'd want to
go out on my own terms with morphine because I
know what morphine does, and morphine has this great quality
to it that also makes it very dangerous. But when

(50:12):
you can't breathe anymore. Your brain will freak out and
you'll start gasping for breath and it's a torturous thing.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
But morphine tells your brain that it's fine.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
So you don't.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Heroin and even the f drug that I don't want
to mention because I don't want my YouTube taken down
that new even stronger. But they're all in the same
family and they make you feel absolutely lovely when you're
crossing over.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So why not use those? Why use this other? Well?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Because need to hit the nail on the head. It's
all about money. So it's got to be time for
me to go. If I have an undue amount of
suffering and I'm a burden to my children, you know,
then I will look at quicker ways. But otherwise, yeah,
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
You never really know what you're going to do until
you get there.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
But I do know.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I have seen people who have had enormous amount of
suffering for years and years and years with cancer and
the treatments for cancer and the chemotherapy and the radiation
and the hoping they're going to get better, and then
the relapsing and the going through. It's barbaric. Our medical
system is barbaric. And I'm more afraid of the medical

(51:38):
system than.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I am of dying.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
In fact, in fact, please don't take this as medical advice.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
But in my own personal opinion, I say as far
away from the medical profession as I can because I
have had really bad experiences and I don't trust it anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Just don't.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
I'm with you. They almost killed me too.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
I'm with you all the way there.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
It's all about money, and it's huge bureaucracies. You I
don't know if you guys have seen, but if you
go into any of the big cities, they have all
these high rise medical buildings. This is for this kind
of cancer and that kind of cancer, and everyone's trying
to raise money for cancer and wear pink for cancer. Well,
if money was going to cure cancer, we would have

(52:29):
cured it a long time ago. Actually, I do think
there's cures for cancer, and easy cures, you know, But
we live under like what you were saying earlier, Nina,
we live in some kind of a system where the
medical and the political and the religious and it's all
part of the same contorted.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I don't even want to call it reality because I'm
not buying into it.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I know, it's kind of funny you said that, because
remember was a couple of years ago now the Royals
got diagnosed with cancer. We had Kate and then you
have Charles both and I had a feeling that, oh boy,
here we go, there's gonna be some kind of cure
for cancer coming up. And sure enough, as you know,
six months or a year later, they were talking about this.

(53:17):
You know, are we allowed to say the word now the.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
V you know not? You cure for cancer? Sure enough.
But then since then it's kind of died down.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I haven't really heard anything about that lately, so I
don't know if they just pulled it for some reason,
they switched.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Timelines or what happened there.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
But all of a sudden, we don't hear about that.
It's like they're, oh, never mind, we're not gonna give
it out to the masses anyways, or something like.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's all about the money. It's all about
the mouth. So if they have a certain amount of jobs,
a certain amount of bureaucracy being carried by all that
they're not gonna want to switch it over to a
cure and have all those people out of work and
have all that equipment, And just like they're going on
and on about global warming and how we have to

(54:05):
stop using petroleum products. Meanwhile, have you seen the mountain
of plastics used in the pharmaceutical and medical industry? Where
do you think all of that comes from? Like, people
just aren't thinking clearly anyway. I guess we're getting off
topic and we're kind of almost at the end of
the show. I don't want to cut either one of
you off though. Any comments from the live chat now,

(54:27):
it's a good time to put them in the live chat.
And Jennifer and Nina, please do you know any final
thoughts and any summaries you want to do?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
And of course where.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Can people find you and and talk about your shows? Well, Jennifer,
you're part of the Forbidden Knowledge network and you don't
have an actual show of your own yet. I keep
pushing you. I'm sorry, I don't mean to.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I'm married into the family. You go, yeah, yeah, you know.
Parting words it don't be scared of death. It's a
wonderful new beginning, and try to be good to one another.
We're all here just walking each other home. And I

(55:21):
do believe that if we can reach and hold the
love vibration, that things will change, because it is contagious.
And I have seen this. If anyone has it, looked
into it. Look at what's happening in Israel right now.
People are refusing to fight. They're leaving the country. They're

(55:44):
having a big problem because they can't that. You know,
they're telling people they have to join the military by mandation,
and they're going, Okay, we're going to go somewhere else.
All the smart people are leaving. That's why they're freaking out.
But you know, just try to find the love in

(56:05):
your heart for not just yourself, of course yourself, but
for the ones that you feel like you shouldn't love,
the ones that hurt you, the ones that are making
a mess of the world right now, hold love for
them too. I promise it will change. It will change.

(56:28):
We'right a crossroads and I feel like the average person,
they know they feel drawn to what feels good, and
war and violence does not feel good. So yeah, just
parting words, be good to each other, walk each other home.
And I'm Jennifer helcome You can find me anywhere on

(56:53):
Facebook and you feel free to email me at Jennifer
Helcome at Gmail.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Thanks so much, wonderful, lovely, lovely Nina.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Yeah, I got to piggyback off that.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I mean, yeah, trying to stay in that love frequency.
You know, I do believe there is hope, and so
what you can do is, yeah, love each other, spread
the love. Talk about death if that's coming up, because
there's so much quietness around that because of all their
religious guilt and whatever, and we need to snap out

(57:27):
of that, which is another thing that's going to be happening.
People are going to be snapping out of it, but
it's also going to make them very confused, and.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
So they're going to need people to talk to.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
And so you know, hopefully you can be that for
your immediate circle there, you know, and just trying to
stay in that love frequency, you know. And if you
guys need somebody to talk to, I am available. I
do private sessions. All you have to do is email
me and the emails right there, you know, or get
hold of me on the different social medias. I am

(57:59):
definitely of and so I'd love to hear from us. Yeah,
wonderful wonderful. Yes, I encourage my audience to reach out
to both you and Jennifer, and both of you offer services.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I offer services all kinds of Whatever you resonate with
is probably the right pick for you. But there's no
competition where we all love each other and support each
other and we believe it's all good. And I want
to thank everybody for joining us on the Quantum Guide

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to quickly check the chat we got Denise saying thank

(58:56):
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says love and light, wonderful, And I guess that's it
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