E231 – IS JESUS GOD? - Quantum Guides Show with Karen Holton

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hi, everybody, he welcomes back to the Quantum Guide show.
I just want to say a disclaimer. Please note that
all content, except for the thumbnail and the background art,
all content is completely authentically human generated and includes absolutely

(01:18):
no AI generated components. We are the real deal, real
people having real conversations. Today we're going to do a
deep dive into the question is Jesus God? I spent
much of my life studying religions and asking this very question,

(01:40):
but it was not until I learned about the spiritual
beliefs of extraterrestrials that I came close to my own answer.
Let's dive into this topic together, and even if you
are not a Christian, I believe you will find this
topic interesting and thought provoking. All of the links are

(02:01):
feature below in the description. If you haven't done so already,
please subscribe to my channels, leave me a comment, like
my videos, and please do share my content with your friends.
And I'm happy to announce that you can now join
my YouTube channel to help to support my channel and
also take advantage of my perks. So welcome everybody, so

(02:26):
lovely to have you back. We've got Helena here, We've
got Denise, here, and we've got others that are just
coming into the live chat now. Before we get started,
I just want everybody, if you don't mind, put your
preconceived notions on the shelf and just give me a

(02:50):
chance to hear what I have to say. I am
not speaking from a religious perspective. I am not speaking
from any whole writings. I am not speaking from any
dogma or any of the religious things that I was
taught in the past or that I may have held
in the past. So I'm going to be speaking about

(03:15):
my experience with ets, how I came to understand my
own concept of God. And after I explain all that,
then I'll get into who or what I think Jesus
actually is. So I am hoping that none of you
will take offense to anything I'm saying, and I'm also

(03:38):
very much hoping that you will share this out with
other people that you think might be interested in what
I have to say. And of course I do not
expect anybody to just believe what I tell you. That
is not my intention at all. My intention is to
stimulate open discussion, raise awareness, expand consciousness and thinking, and

(04:05):
we'll see where that leads us today. So I'm just
wondering if someone in the life check just verify that
you can hear me. I'm coming across, okay, and then
we will get started. So I'm going to quote a
little bit from my book. It's called Transdimensional Meet the

(04:27):
New Neighbors, written by myself, Karen Holton, and it's available
on Amazon worldwide if you want to pick up your
own copy. And I'm just going to talk a little
bit about I'm a little bit concerned that maybe you're
not hearing me. I'm not seeing any confirmation in the

(04:48):
live chat. Well, let's hope that comes in. I want
to just read a tiny bit from the book. Oh,
thank you, hell, and thank you so much. Okay, got confirmation,
y'all can hear me. I've had a little bit of
issues with my computer and sometimes my headphones need to

(05:09):
be plugged in one place and sometimes something else. I
have no idea why, and so I'm going to start
by talking about my concept of God. And my concept
of God is very much hinged on my concept of love.

(05:29):
So on page thirty eight, I start by saying talking
about my higher purpose. So I'll just read a couple
of paragraphs comment and see what you all have to say. So,
understanding our our higher purpose makes our life's mission so

(05:49):
much easier. But it took me a number of years
before I remembered what my true objective was. In about
twenty thirteen, while going through some depression, I was having
difficulty navigating my way through the social reality. I felt
quite deflated, and I was forced to my knees and

(06:10):
surrender as I implored my spiritual guides to share with
me my true purpose for being here. I knew that
I was part of a divine plan, but what this
might look like was not clear to me. The answer
that I received was simple yet profound. My reason for

(06:30):
being here is to love and to allow myself to
be loved in return, no training and no discipline required.
I remember feeling so happy and free because I knew
that I could do this. My overall purpose was not
complicated and was totally achievable. So the reason I'm going

(06:52):
to delve into love and what I discovered my life's
purpose was, is because I think to under stand a
concept of God, we have to understand the concept of love.
And I think that might be true. Regardless of your
spiritual beliefs, we on earth have been given a very

(07:13):
distorted view and understanding of the true meaning of love.
Before I continue with more aspects of my higher purpose,
I feel it is important for me to speak to
what I consider to be love. So most people think
love is the stuff that fairy tales are made out

(07:33):
of of a lot of people think that love is
a romantic fascination with another human being. Well, I guess
nowadays you'd have to include AI. Some people think love
is having a relationship with artificial intelligence, but that's not

(07:55):
really what I found out love. What love is, and
the way I found out what love was was by
having extraterrestrial contact with beings who are of a higher frequency,
and I understood what was at the core of their
politic and spiritual beliefs. So this is what I learned.

(08:16):
Love is like a basket or a container. It's a
composite of attributes, intentions, and behaviors sometimes called virtues. Anything
else is not love. Love includes love, joy, peace, patience, mildness, kindness,

(08:37):
self control, faith and goodness, all being exercised at the
very same time. Love includes having warm affection for others
while we see them just as they are as whole,
complete persons with warts bumps and all. This is called
unconditional love, and this is the kind of love that

(08:59):
spiritual beings have for us, including angels and beings from
the spiritual realms. Love begins within. Love towards self is
essential before we can effectively externalize love towards others. Love

(09:20):
is the hallmark of all higher beings, including et, and
their reality is based on the love harmonic. Love creates
a dimensional reality which is conducive to health, harmony, and
true positive soul development. Beings that are of a lower
frequency cannot enter or have any lasting effect on those

(09:42):
who vibe on the love harmonic. Love conquers all. So
that is what I mean by love, and I think
it also would explain why I have so few experience
speriences with negative energies, negative attachments, even negative people anymore,

(10:05):
because I keep myself vibing on the love harmonic and
I've been doing this for some time. I'm not perfect
at it. I fail all the time, but I pick
myself up and I continue to do my best. And
part of the thing that motivates me is that I
have seen how extraterrestrials live their lives. If you want detail,

(10:29):
a lot of detail. I would highly recommend you pick
up my book. But when I saw that these beings,
because they follow the love harmonic, they don't need a
lot of rules or laws because they just wouldn't do

(10:50):
those things. They wouldn't do anything to hurt another, They
wouldn't do anything to hurt themselves. They wouldn't steal from
each other, they wouldn't they wouldn't do anything to cause
grief to each other. And because that is how they live,
there is a peacefulness, a harmony, a vibe that I

(11:12):
can't even explain, but I miss it very much since
I rarely have ever have contact anymore, and when I
did have contact, it just blew my mind. I want
to just say a quick hello to Maya. Hi, Maya.
Nice of you to join us. Welcome, And so I

(11:37):
will continue a little bit more about what I consider
to be God. And this is just my opinion, so
I'm not trying to convince any of you any different
than what you believe. This is just food for thought
and for discussion. On forty of my book I've written

(12:02):
for those of you who may not be familiar with
my terms, I suggest you do some research, but here's
a brief overview. Now I'm not going to cover everything.
I'm just going to cover the parts that are relevant
to the discussion today. The morphogenic or holographic field, which

(12:25):
I call Mother Father, is all that is, is all knowing,
and is ever present. So what I see is a
field of consciousness, and that field permeates everything everywhere, all
time and space and even other dimensional realities. And I

(12:46):
call it Mother Father, and to me, it sues my
need for a concept or construct of what God is.
I'm sure that God is actually much more than that,
but this satisfies or quenches my thirst and gives me
a way of looking at the overall structure of all

(13:10):
things in a way that satisfies me. So the morphogenic
field is also a holographic field. Each one of us
has technology in our DNA that decodes what we perceive
around us, but that's not all that there is. And

(13:30):
now that people are understanding more about simulation theory, they're
understanding a little bit more about the overall reality, which
has been hidden from us quite on purpose. So I
call Mother Father all that is is all knowing and

(13:54):
ever present. It is infinity and eternity manifesting at the
same time so that would include all concepts we have
of time and space. Sometimes people call this God or
Holy Spirit, but since the word God is a title,

(14:15):
I usually call this new ym universal consciousness. It is holographic,
which indicates that all things that we perceive are emergent.
Just as our shadow is a two dimensional reflection of
our three dimensional cells, likewise our three dimensional selves and

(14:36):
everything we perceive reflects our higher dimensional selves, which we
may not recognize at all. And morphogenic refers to the
creation of all we perceive through a field of created
standing scalar waves. These emerge from the wavecles and are

(14:58):
made from positive of negative and neutral energetic wave particles
drawn up from the subplank level. I call this mother
Father because it includes both female or creative and male
or structural energies, which appear as the golden ratio of

(15:19):
Fi and Fibonacci. In practical terms, as part of universal consciousness,
we all share creative abilities. When we focus on something
and see it in specific terms, we collapse the quantum
field and the other options disappear. The morphogenic field is

(15:40):
of infinite possibilities, and it collapses and we are left
with only the awareness of our chosen outcome prefer the details.
I suggest you do some research into simulation theory. So
my idea of God, and this is only so I've

(16:00):
only just started to scratch the surface. Is God is
everything and everywhere, throughout all time, throughout space. But here's
the difference. It's not a soulless embodiment of reality. It
actually has a personality, It has character, and we can

(16:22):
have a personal relationship with it. It will recognize us
as we can recognize it. And I've had this proven
to me over and over and over again. Anyone out
there who has prayed for help or a specific outcome

(16:43):
and gotten results will see that there is an interaction.
There is a relationship. And part of the reason why
we can have this relationship is because we exist in
different dimensional reality. So my higher self that I often

(17:03):
refer to is my self and the eighth dimension, which
includes my three dimensional conscious self and many of my
alternative conscious selves as we experience life in many different
timelines which make up the multiverse like the layers of
an onion. It also includes my fourth, fifth, sixth, and

(17:25):
even seventh dimensional self and my deep subconscious self. My
higher self is my complete self and all components work
together to ensure a total opportunity for soul development. Our
sixth sense acts like a bridge to the realms of
our higher levels of self, so that we can access

(17:48):
the support and wisdom we need to progress. Just as
our five senses provide self preservation for the body, our
sixth sense provides self preservation to our mental, emotional, and
spiritual selves. As we develop our sixth sense, we find
that we are not individual units. We are certainly never

(18:12):
singular entities or alone. So after reading that bit of information, Oh, hi, Denise,
no problem, Denise says she's late. She had an appointment.
Not a problem, Denise, So good to have you here,
so Denise, and for anyone else's coming in late. I'm
talking about what I perceive God to be. So before

(18:35):
we can answer the question is Jesus God, we need
to take a look at what God might be. And
I don't think anyone has a definitive explanation. And as
I mentioned earlier, my understanding is it's all based on love.
So the first component we need to understand if we

(18:56):
want to understand God is to understand what is love.
We understand that God is love. God vibes on the
harmonic frequency that is the same frequency as love. Then
further I expanded that that I believe God is everything everywhere,

(19:17):
always eternally, and never goes away or disappears. It's a
sort of a fixed construct I use for taking a
look at all reality, at least as far as my
brain can stretch out and take a look at. So
the other thing is, there's a lot of different religions

(19:40):
here on Earth, and they have very different beliefs about God.
But I think they're boiling down to the same thing
that we will answer when I delve more into is
Jesus God. So God is this eternal, never ending source

(20:01):
of wisdom, knowledge, energy, so much more. And one of
my big concerns right now is that people are giving
themselves over to AI, and AI is becoming like the
God of the system. And I am very concerned about that.

(20:23):
Because we have natural, inborn technologies and mechanisms for connecting
with the spiritual realms. I believe that our subconscious is
part of that. I believe that our imagination, the thing
that generates the images in our mind's eye, is also
part of that. And we may even contain the technologies

(20:48):
that would work the way a wormhole would work so
that we can travel through transdimensional space and discover other
world's other beings and understand some of those beings that
are coming to visit our planet. I anarchist says, if

(21:11):
God is omnipresent, it would be impossible to be apart
from God. I've never met God, I have zero knowledge
of any gods. That's a clear contradiction. Well, I definitely
see your point. However, I think I do agree with
you that it's impossible to be a part, a part,

(21:34):
or separated from God. We're all part of it and
it's a phenomenon. That's all I know. So I'll give
you examples. How I know God is real is because
in the past, when I have needed super intelligent help,
help that I couldn't find amongst other humans. When I

(21:56):
needed help that I couldn't muster for myself. When I
was in dire straits a number of times in my
life and really needed help, I gave myself over to
heartfelt prayer and I prayed to what at the time
I understood to be God, and I asked for help,

(22:18):
and I got help, and I got help in an
amazing array of ways. I got help for situations to
resolve themselves in ways that I never could see coming,
where they would be one hundred different moving parts, different people,
and it all flowed so seamlessly and so beautifully together

(22:42):
that it had to be divine intervention. There's just no
way that I could have made that happen for myself,
in my opinion. Denise also says, me too, I asked
God to help me prayer. Yeah, And isn't prayer a
form of transdimensional experience because we're passing from our three

(23:08):
D reality into God's reality and obviously we're being heard
and we're being helped. So Denise says, God always came
through for me. Yeah, me too. That's been my experience.
If you've had a if you've read a copy of
my book, you would also understand that I've had angelic,

(23:30):
a very profound angelic experience. I believe that was given
to me by my concept of God. And I also
just had even my extraterrestrial experiences. I have no other
explanation other than this experience. And these experiences were a

(23:52):
gift from God. So when I say God, I'm not
referring to an old man sitting on a throne. I'm
not referring to any one canon or set of books,
or beliefs or anything like that. I'm just coming to
my own understanding based on my own experiences. Let's see

(24:19):
what I anarchist says. Have you guys heard about the
Harvard Prayer study into the intercessory prayer? It was conducted
by a Christian and showed no positive benefits for all
for all the cardiac patients that were prayed for. Not

(24:41):
familiar with that, I have no idea. I can't speak
to that. So the other thing is you might be saying, well,
you know, maybe your concept of God is something you're
creating through a Christian perspective. It is true that I
spent most of my time looking into religions from a
Christian perspective, but I think that all belief systems where

(25:08):
people are connecting with something outside of the three dimensional
reality is very, very valid. So, for instance, you may
have Hindus who believe in an array of different gods.
You might have Pantheists who believe in a whole array
of different kinds of gods. But maybe what they're actually doing,

(25:31):
in very human terms is taking a look.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
At aspects of the whole that are needed and are
also a comfy fit for us.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So, for instance, if we were Hindu and we identified
with the god called Ganesha, that might be a way
of accessing the overall, transdimensional reality of universal consciousness. Someone

(26:08):
else that's Hindu, you know, may relate more to Lakshmi
or Shiva, and again I would say it's the same thing.
There are many, many, many different animist religions where people
believe that there are spirits in the trees and the
animals in the sky and in the weather. And to

(26:29):
me that actually makes sense too, because they are looking
at the hole, which is quite mind boggling and often
difficult for us to look at and at one go
in different aspects to make it more easier to understand.

(26:52):
Let's see what does Helena says. If you think a
quantum supercomputer is smart, God is a billion trillion KD
trillion times smarter. Yeah, I would agree with that, and
all I would agree with that as well. So I've
talked quite a bit about what I think God is,
so ultimately, in scientific terms, I think that God is everything.

(27:17):
It's the unified field, it's unconditional love. So if you
take all time, all space, unconditional love, and you include
universal consciousness, which has a personality and has an active force.
I think we're getting closer to a common understanding of

(27:39):
what God might actually be. And another thing I want
to say about this is there are many forms of
energy that are well documented. So one of them is chi,
and Chi is more from the Asian understanding of what

(28:00):
we would call in the West Holy Spirit. Now, I
had a martial arts instructor at one point, and he
did tou Tai chi, and he was very, very good
at what he did. He could sit in a chair
and any opponent would try to approach him and could

(28:21):
not even touch him. He had the whole class try
to pull him out of a chair. We couldn't even
touch him because he had a barrier, which he thought
of as chi energy that surrounded his body and protected him.
So Chi is known also in traditional Chinese medicine. There's

(28:46):
also prana, and prana is associated with the chakras, and
that is more from Southeast Asia or India, and that
goes along with air vitic healing. And again that's another
force that we could think of as being like Holy Spirit.

(29:07):
And so there's Chi, there's prana, oregone energy, there are
many different energies that maybe facets of, or maybe components of,
what we might think of as God. And the thing
that links them all together is the thing that links

(29:28):
them all together is number one. They're love based. Number two,
there's a personality behind a concept of God. There is
a sense of humor behind the concept of God. I
can remember one time when I was really down and out.
I've been down and out a few times in my life.

(29:49):
One time when I was feeling down and out, I
was actually had no choice but to go to the
recycling centers that they had in different parking lots of
shopping malls, and I had to basically sit there and
ask people if they would give me their returnables, their

(30:12):
beer cans, their wine bottles, things like that that I
would then go in cash in in order to buy food.
And one day I was traveling well, walking really over
to this parking lot where I was going to be
collecting returnables, and I looked at the sky and I
saw a huge arrow pointing in the direction that I

(30:34):
was headed, and I knew, without the shadow of a doubt,
I knew that something special was waiting for me. The
universe as I would define it, also as being God
was telling me that there was going to be a
surprise for me when I got to work that day,

(30:56):
and I was all excited, like I totally read it
for what it was, and I knew and I got there,
there'd be something that was going to make me laugh
and cheer me up because it was a bit down
in the dumps dude, in my circumstances. So I get
to work and my son comes along to help me
pull the huge, huge, heavy bags of garbage from the

(31:21):
garbage receptacles, and this one was super happy, and I thought,
the heck is in here, and I thought, oh, maybe
it's a bunch of wine bottles, you know, be worth
something to me. And I opened up the bag and
outrolled thousands of colored gumballs, different colors. Gumballs were rolling

(31:44):
in every direction, all over the parking lot. And I
laughed and I laughed and I laughed because this was
the universe sharing a sense of humor with me so
that I would not be so sad and cheer me up.
And it was amazing. It was a wonderful, wonderful experience.

(32:06):
For those of you who've read my book, trans Dimensional
Meet the New Neighbors, I also spend the first two
chapters talking about my paranormal experiences that I had growing
up and in adulthood, and anyone to just go and
believe everything I say. No, but I am hoping that

(32:28):
you will test out the universe and test out universal
consciousness and see for yourself what is real and what
isn't real instead of listening to anybody else tell you
what's real or what isn't real. So I've had all
these experiences, including angelic contact that supercharged my learning environment

(32:52):
and helped me to progress and to become much more
than probably I would have been without it. That later
on led to my transdimensional contact with extraterrestrials. Being on
board the Big Ship. Being in the culture of the
extraterrestrials really really taught me so much about what's possible

(33:16):
for humanity because these beings that I had contact with
are at our next stage of development, so they're not
that far ahead of us. Once we put away our
warring ways, once we stop competing with each other and

(33:38):
deceiving each other, once we grow in true spiritual love, compassion,
and empathy, we are then setting ourselves up to live
much the way these extraterrestrial beings live at because they're
at our very next stage of development. They don't look
very different than us, except their taller, and they're kind

(34:01):
of bigger and certainly more healthy. But they definitely they
are completely loving. I never once experienced any fear whatsoever
while I was there, And Dea denisia right on, she says,
the only way is love, period. It's true. It's the

(34:24):
only thing that works. So the reason the love harmonic
works is because every form of government and rulership has
been done in our universe. It's all been done over
and over and over again. There's no need to test
it out any further. It works. It's functional. Truly loving families,

(34:47):
truly loving communities don't need a lot of rules. It's
very functional. And I can't stress that enough. So I
would like to say, oh, I just want to say
one other thing, I anarchist says, I would say it
equates more with life force, similar to prana. Well, exactly,

(35:10):
that's what I think. The active force of what God
actually is is holy spirit, prana chi or agone. There's
many many words to describe pretty much the same thing. Now,
before I jump off to the next point, which is
is Jesus God. I know some of you are going

(35:32):
to hate what I have to say, and that's okay.
You do not have to like me. You do not
have to like my message, you do not have to
like anything. I just appreciate the fact that you're listening
to this podcast or watching it. To me, that's awesome.
Thank you so much. I'm going to do a very
brief promotion for my book. I actually have two books.

(35:53):
Then I'm going to come back and let's jump into
is Jesus God? What do I think? What's my take
on it? It's your take on it? And how did
I come to these conclusions?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Learn the studying details about ET diversity and culture, along
with their advanced ways of living and expressing spirituality, which
is in no way like anything imagined here on Earth.
Trans Dimensional Meet the New Neighbors introduces you to many
different ET beings, the healing pods, the interior of the
Big Ship, my orientation process, cultural events, and off world

(36:30):
mating practices. In my contact experience, I learned a great
deal about the Big Ship, intergalactic and trans dimensional travel,
intergalactic planetary research, and the various options for resettlement. Once
I published my first book, I felt the need to
create a second book called trans Dimensional two.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Meet the Grays Picture Book. I worked with AI to
develop many images of beings that we have come to
know of as the Grays. These beings come from many places, realms, dimensions,
and timelines, and although they are of the same species
as other humanoids, they are from many different family lines
and races. What qualifies them as grays is that their

(37:11):
skin does not contain the pigment necessary to reflect light
in our visible range of the color spectrum, so to us,
they all appear to be various shades of gray. Beyond
this physical attribute, there is much diversity in their origins, cultures, purposes,
and physiological details. My goal is to get you used
to the looks of beings which are different than humans,

(37:33):
in order to reduce your fear and increase your familiarity
so you will remain more rational and grounded once the
et presence escalates beyond debate. Enjoy these images and notice
the things we have in common, so you will see
that although they are different from us in appearance, we
are essentially many family lines within one species. Paperback and

(37:56):
kindle versions of both books are now available on AMAS, Amazon, worldwide,
search the Amazon and Kindle bookstores and pick up your
copies today. Thank you, Denise. Denise says, I highly recommend
Karen's books. The first book touch me like no other.
Thank you, Denise, is very kind of you to say that.

(38:18):
So now we've talked a bit about what I think
God is, and you've shared a bit of what you
think God is, and let's take a look at the
whole concept of Jesus. Some we'll call him Yazu, some
will call him Yeshuah. There's many, probably different names and

(38:39):
ways of looking at what is called the Son of God.
So what I believe, what I've come to believe, I
have no proof of. But what I've come to believe
is that Christ, the word Christ, and what Christ is
or what was the embodiment of God. So you know

(39:05):
how I mentioned that God is love and God and
love is like a basket and includes patience and mildness
and kindness and self control and all these attributes that
are meant to be exercised together. You can think of

(39:25):
a little bit like juggling. You know, if I'm working
on patients today and I'm looking at self control today,
and pretty usually my bulls end up dropping and I
have to pick them up start all over again, because
it's a big job to actually exercise love towards self
or love towards others. But I think that the reason

(39:49):
for the Christ or any similar being who has walked
on this earth throughout time and space as we know it,
is the embodiment to show how it can be done,
to show what it's like to be at the next
stage of development, similar to the extraterrestrials that I have met.

(40:14):
I believe that Jesus Christ is or was, the embodiment
of God, and there are even some scriptures that might
actually support that. Let's see what Denise has to say.
Just my opinion, Jesus is the son of God. Jesus

(40:36):
became human when God sent him to save man exactly.
It was to show us a template, a way of living,
a philosophical understanding of reality, so that we could do
better and be happier and have more fulfilling lives. And

(40:58):
that's what I think about. I don't think it's about
which church you belong to, what religion you belong to,
which sacred teaching that you resign yourself to. I think
it's about us putting on that personality so we could
become better people. And I think that there are other

(41:19):
prophets who perhaps had a similar reason for being here.
Certainly throughout thousands and thousands of years, there's many stories
of beings of men that were born to virgins, who
rose again once they died, that had these amazing qualities,

(41:44):
but more importantly taught the people how to live in peace,
in harmony, and in love. So I believe that Christ
is the embodiment of God. Now does that mean that
Christ is God? That know? Now we're getting down into
slicing and dicing on a very fine level. But I

(42:07):
do believe that Christ Is was here to teach us
a better way of being, a better way of doing.
It's a suggested guide to living. And I do believe though,
that there are other religions here on earth and elsewhere

(42:28):
where the same purpose is achieved, perhaps under a different name,
perhaps under a different physiological outcome or embodiment. So I
know a lot of people are Catholic and they believe
in a trinity. They believe in God the Father, God
the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I don't see

(42:51):
them as separate. I see them very much as being
somehow blended so that the Holy Spirit, as I understand it,
it actually is a component of God. I don't think
God is a separate entity. Now that Christ Jesus is
no longer with us, he may also or his energy

(43:16):
or whatever might be part of universal consciousness, unconditional love.
I don't know. I don't have all the answers. I'm
just kind of wanting to, you know, have this discussion,
because I think there's more that unites us than separates us,

(43:36):
even when it comes to spiritual beliefs. Helena says Morgan
Freeman acts as God in the movie Bruce the Almighty,
she thinks it's so wrong and twisted, evil cabal movie.
God would never do anything like that movie brainwash you
to imagine, well you might be well, you will well

(43:58):
be right, Helena, I don't know. I'm not really familiar
with that movie. I think I saw it a long
time ago. I don't really remember. But often God is
portrayed as a bit of a trickster, and now I
don't think so. But then again, there's also probably many components.

(44:19):
But based on my own experience and the experiences of others,
whether they are terrestrial or extraterrestrial. I do believe that
it is an energy force that's on the Love Harmonic,
that it's something that is given to us for free gift,

(44:42):
to ask for whenever we need help or assistance. And
in that way, I also believe we are a component
of that universal consciousness. So what that means the goodness
is is we're never alone. We can't be alone even
if we I wanted to be alone, and that there's

(45:04):
tremendous power available to assist us. And if this has
been true for me, I'm sure this is also true
for other people. Because I am not a special kind
of human. I make so many mistakes. You guys have
no idea how many mistakes I make. I am so imperfect,

(45:25):
So I'm never going to hold myself up and say, oh,
be like me. I'm a shining example. Actually no, I'm
more of an example of what not to do than
what to do. But in all sincerity, I'm having these
discussions with all of you so that we can open
our mind, open our hearts, and have better lives. Denise says,

(45:47):
the only show that really shows who Jesus was was
the Chosen In my opinion, again, I'm not real familiar
with the show. I'm sorry, Denise, but I'm sure it's
a good one. And oh maybe that's the one where
the guy comes down and he's Jesus but nobody recognizes him.
I don't know. I shouldn't say I don't really know.

(46:08):
I should go watch it. I think it's on Netflix,
so I could do that. So that's my take. Is
Jesus God, Well, on the one hand, I would say yes,
and on the other hand, I would say no. It
depends on how you want to define God. It depends
on how you want to define a savior. But I

(46:33):
know one thing is the teachings that I have learned
from the christ. Whether the Bible is in a Christine
form that it was meant to be it or whether
it's been fiddled with, which wouldn't surprise me at all.
I'm a better person because of those concepts that I learned.

(46:57):
But then I actually left religion. For the of you
who are familiar with my history, I was a Jehovah
witness for seventeen years of my adult life, and boy,
I really really tried hard to be a good Christian. Unfortunately,
I was operating in a tainted environment that I wouldn't.

(47:20):
I couldn't win no matter what I did, and I
realized the futility of it, and I left. And that
was just my own personal experience and not trying to
say that that's how it would be for anyone else.
And it wasn't until after I left religion entirely that
I had the Angelica encounter. I learned so much through that,

(47:44):
and that's detailed in my book, as is my extraterrestrial
contact and so seeing seeing the attributes that we would
normally ascribe to the Christ Being did out in the
everyday lives of thousands of extraterrestrials. There's probably was millions

(48:06):
aboard the big ship, these mother what we would call
the mother Ship. They're huge, They're beyond understanding, they're so big.
And I didn't meet everybody on board. I pretty much well.
The recall that I have is pretty much one area
with one group of these beings and a few from
other worlds as well. But it really taught me a lot.

(48:31):
When I came back to Earth and back to my
everyday life, it was very hard. It was a really
difficult adjustment because again I didn't know who to trust.
I didn't know you know the social dynamics. There's a

(48:51):
lot of people that have really twisted Mackavelian social dynamics.
There's a lot wrong with this world, not to mention
the fact that humans have been lied to and our
food supply has been contaminated, our water, our air, everything

(49:14):
to make us weaker and sicker and less apt to
have the self control and the understanding of reality that
we are actually entitled to. Oh hi, Joan Jones joined us.
I don't know if you guys caught our show we
did yesterday. Joan and I have a new podcast. We're

(49:37):
going to do it probably around every two weeks. It's
called The Unseen Nexus, and we're going to get into
details on all kinds of controversial subjects. So I'm really
really looking forward to that. Denise says, true, I left
the Catholic religion and learned spirituality, which I practice every day. Yeah.

(50:00):
I had to walk away from all the religions, and
to be honest with you, I found religion crazy making
because one religion tells you have to do it this way,
another religion says, oh no, you have to do it
that way. And it's kind of like having to do
a dance and someone comes along tells you you have
to do the Highland Fling. And you're doing the Highland
Fling and you're getting tired. You're doing your best, and

(50:23):
somebody else till it comes along tells you should be waltzing,
and so you start waltzing, and pretty soon somebody else
comes along and tells you you should be doing I
don't know, first Nations ceremonial dance, you know, like it's
just always something. There are thousands, probably millions of different
religions and they've taken what I would consider basics of

(50:45):
truth and harved it into these little, tiny paradigms with
lots of rules and social stigmaation if you don't follow
them exactly. And I just couldn't do it anymore and
I had to quit. And then I found my own spirituality,
which is somehow, somehow ironic. Hell, thank you, Jon Jones says.

(51:11):
She likes my background. Actually, I was trying to find
a background and fiddling around, and finally I thought, no,
I'm just going to go for the butterfly. It's about
transforming ourselves into something better. And thank you, Denise, she says, lol,
laughing out loud, and Helena says time to smoke a joint. Well,

(51:34):
you know, Helena, a lot of people find spiritual comfort
in cannabis, So I'm neither recommending it nor trying to
dissuade anyone from using it. All I'm going to say
is even myself, at times in my life, I have
found spiritual awareness through the use of cannabis. And although

(51:56):
it's not something I want to do every day, it's
certainly something that from time to time has given me
tremendous comfort. And you know, I'm going to tell you
a funny story about cannabis too, guys before we go.
So as you know, as I mentioned, I was a
Jehovah witness for seventeen years of my adult life, and

(52:17):
it's very no smoking, no getting drunk, although they do
even though they say they don't, and no drugs, No cannabis,
although they do all the pharmaceuticals, including the jobs, but
that's another story. And after I quit, I actually had

(52:39):
a medical prescription for cannabis because the drugs they were
giving me for pain weren't working and I was building tolerance,
so I needed more and more and more of these
narcotics and it wasn't working for me. And I wanted
to get off them completely. So a doctor prescribed cannabi

(53:00):
for me, and I felt really guilty and really bad,
and so I prayed, and I said, oh God, can
you tell me if this is bad and you don't
want me to do it, let me know, and I
won't do it because I don't ever want to sit
on purpose. I said, but if it is okay, can

(53:23):
you give me a sign? And I'm not talking about
a cheesy little sign. I need a big sign. I
need to know clearly that it is not against your
wishes for me to use cannabis. I need a clear sign.
So let me see what kind of a sign would
I recognize? I said, I know, since I don't have

(53:43):
any money, can you make it so that I somehow
have a source of medical cannabis. And I want to
have a lot of it, so I'm not running around
trying to find drug dealers in back alleys or having
to go to expensive compassion clinics. I want to have
at least a big bag of the stuff up on

(54:05):
the shelf all the time so I never have to
think about it or worry about it. Then I will
know for sure that it's okay with you if I
do cannabis. Well, it didn't happen overnight, but I ended
up meeting a man who was very compassionate and kind,
and he became my designated grower. So we were registered

(54:29):
with the Canadian government and everything. It was all above board,
and he didn't charge me anything for it, and he
gave me bags of cannabis and I had all this cannabis,
more than I ever dreamed possible, and I went, oh,
my gosh, there's my sign it's okay for me to
do cannabis. So it reminded me a little bit of

(54:50):
the story of the woman who didn't have very much
food and a beggar comes to her door begging for
food and she shares what she has with him. Then
after that she never runs out of food. It just
seems to top itself back up. It's an old story,
like from the dark Ages. I don't know if you've
ever heard it, but that's basically what happened for me,

(55:12):
and I have never been without it since. Even when
I'm not using it, I have a bunch you know,
you never know when someone's going to need it or
if I'm going to need it, And sort of part
of my apothecary. So I just thought you guys would
get a kick out. Yeah, it was a big sign
de East. For sure, it was. And that doesn't mean

(55:35):
it doesn't come with its repercussions. I actually used it
daily for twenty five years, and then I took two
years off. Just recently, I was getting a chronic sore
throat from it, and I was getting symptoms that maybe
I needed a break from it, and I took a
break from it. And then more recently I've just been
using a little bit now and then, and I'm fine.

(55:58):
I'm totally fine. So trying to tell y'all should be
out there smoking dope, and I'm not saying you should
be staying away from it. What I am saying, what
please mark my words, this is important, is that the
universal consciousness is so benevolent and so kind and so loving,

(56:21):
and so aware of our shortcomings and so aware of
the pressures we face in this world, and we are
never expected to do anything other than our best, and
when we fail, we're gently picked up, dusted off, and
sent in the right direction. And thought is I think

(56:43):
the really important thing. And I hope so much you
all share this out with your family and your friends,
because my experience is not that unique. There are many,
many people of many different faiths and belief systems who
put their face. Whether it is my instructor for tai

(57:04):
Chi back in the day where he could stop anybody
from touching him, no one could hurt him, he could
rebound them with chi energy, whether it's somebody else who
understands Holy Spirit in terms of aer vedic medicine, the
chakras and strengthening the chakras and utilizing that terrific power

(57:30):
for health and for spiritual development, all of it, all
of it is so loving and so kind and so
gentle and so good. So if you haven't experimented with
what I would call Chi prana Holy Spirit, I highly

(57:52):
recommend test it out and say, hey, if you're a
real thing, Karen says, you're a real thing, Karen says,
I can depend on you. Prove it to me, show
me that you care about me, and you will be
so pleasantly surprised to find out that each one of
us is well known in the spiritual realms and we

(58:15):
don't really have much to be afraid of, and we
can relax, and we can trust, and we can have
faith and we can love each other, we can love ourselves,
and we can just slip into a new reality that's
going to serve the whole world, not just us personally.
And that's about all I have to say for today.

(58:37):
If there's any other comments any of you would like
me to read out, share respond to, Denise says, the
universe wants to give us what we need. Absolutely, it
is completely benevolent. And you know you don't have to
be perfect. That's the other thing. I'm not perfect, but

(59:00):
I'm nowhere close. Denise says, thank you everyone who joined
much love. Thank you Denise for being my moderator. Really
appreciate you very much. Thank you everybody who dropped by
the live chat today, and for those of you who
are listening on an audio podcast or watching the replay,
I want you to know how much I appreciate each

(59:22):
and every one of you, and I'm sending love and
positive vibrations out to each and every one of you.
You matter, You matter to me, you matter to this world,
you matter to this universe. Don't ever give up, don't
lose hope, keep going. I love you all. Thank you
so much. Loops Sorry guys, thank you for joining me.

(59:52):
For the Quantum Guide Show. Become the change that you
wish to see in the world. Subscribe to my YouTube
and other chat at Karen Holton Tv.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Click the light button, leave me at comment and share
this podcast with your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Read about my true life et contact in my book
called trans Dimensional Meet the New Neighbors, which is now
available in Amazon bookstores worldwide. Check out my website at
www dot Karenholtonhealthcoach dot com to see my free resources

(01:00:33):
and amazing products and services. All the links will be
in the description below. As part of the Forbidden Knowledge Network,
you will find the Quantum Guide Show with Karenholton and
also the Aliens and Angels podcast on all audio platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Until next time, keep up the good work.

All Episodes

E231 – IS JESUS GOD?

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce

Dateline NBC

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}E231 – IS JESUS GOD?