Guss Your A Grub But Your My grub EP - OFF THE BENCH

In this episode of Off the Bench, your hosts George and Arthur break down all the big moments from Origin Game 3. We dive into Gus Gould’s latest comments and his support for Lachlan Galvin, plus we don’t hold back when it comes to the referees and the calls that had everyone talking. Raw, real, and straight from the sideline—don’t miss it!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to off the bench. Everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We've done a ad hoc one at the moment. This morning,
I saw George kicking some stones, grumbling, and I'm thinking,
what happened? What's happening here, George? He sounded like he
had a lot of things on his mind. Though it
might not only get you lost again, sorry to get lost,
but we thought, you know, let's doing off the bench
so we can get everything off his chest, because it's

(00:24):
definitely rugby le related.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know. It's George, George, welcome to off the bench.
Hell has things good? Mate? It's behind a microphone. I
was sick the last two times, so it's strange. I
was kicking stones in your garden because I just didn't
know what to do. He's just walking around. Animalyss.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
You look lost, mate, you look agitated, you look lost,
you look you look frustrated. I wanted to see off
the bench and I was trying and to relieve some
of that stress. Let everyone know what was going wrong.
It's rugby related. I feel it home now I'm behind
the mic again.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
That's it. I love it. I love it, I love it.
I want to Actually the truth was that our wives
went shopping and they suck us in front of the television.
They gave us a paddle to shut up, and and
I was kicking stones during during the day and night
is uh his backyard. So he suggested we're talking. So

(01:21):
he goes, well, you know what all that thought, and
he happened his laptop and here we are. Yeah, yeah,
we go, if we go, if we go, if we go.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So let's talk some good news maybe. So the origin,
we had the origin go on for the women's game.
We went to talk men's origin. That's for the b
Tanua and Nick to join us for.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
The main week, the main crew, the main crew.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
But we've got the women's origin that finished last week.
I know you want to talk a little bit about that.
To under the Blues game one thirty two twelve went
to the Blues game two twenty six to six. So
wrapped up after game two and then they had a
final game which Coinsland managed to win to make it
a two to one series to the Blue. Any thoughts

(02:02):
on that, mate?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Tell us? You know what, I watched the second game
if you remember, it was at the s CG sorry
the SFS and it was really raining. It was really,
really really Now I didn't take my notes, so maybe
you can remember. We we built a stadium, uh, a

(02:24):
beautiful big stadium, you know, not only for the roosters,
for everybody. You know what. We decided not to put
a roof on. That's okay, that's okay, not a problem.
Don't put a roof on. But you know what I
expect if you're you're if you're spending eight hundred million dollars,
you know the ground you think it would rain? Yeah, sure,

(02:44):
you think you'd You know when you go and watch
kids football down there at Bosley Park or actually in
our old stomping ground there at pad Start. Yeah, okay,
is the rain? Yeah? I get a part of here
or there, but nothing like the SFCG or the SF.
It's crazy. We spent eight hundred million dollars. Think about, Hey,

(03:10):
we get the roof. We should have had a roof
where probably the only country in the world whose sports
crazy without a stadium without a roof. But let's let's
let's put okay, we want sun. We we love our son.
You know, it doesn't rain ever in city, doesn't never
know make a drain. We go to Vegas, right and
the ground and the ground apparently goes out, slides out

(03:32):
the sun and it comes back in because it's got
a roof and there's the sun. But in this country,
we can't get the ground when we have some showers
or thunderstorms or heavy rain for at the drain. It's crazy,
it's crazy. And you know what, I bet your colgra
if it rains, I bet your drains. It's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's for the last country to get anything, you know.
You know sometimes you know that there's families where everyone's
got a video player and no one gets into right
then it's like all the countries are getting all these
stadiums with roofs on it, but we're still waiting until
you know, we're the last ones to finally get a stadium.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
With a roof on it. Of course, it's crazy, you know.
You know, I thought they did have a roof that
that didn't They didn't ever didn't never. You know what
the issue is this that we say, oh, the government
or the stadium, it's our money. It's our taxes. You
know that thirty percent or thirty five percent you pay,
or or the gis so you pay, or every time

(04:26):
you sell a property the capital gains. It's our money.
Are they it's our money that, make no mistake, the
money that they flash around. And you know they want
Brownie points, not theirs. It's not theirs but the But
besides that, you know, it'll be nice to have a
stay in the you know drains. True, absolutely, it'll be

(04:48):
nice the poor girls and roosterless. Yeah, they did it
in third or conditions basically, well, if you think about it,
if you think about it, it's remember when the eighties
and when when they used to play used to be martely.
You know that Paramatta team. I remember a lot of Canary,
big Canary games. They were playing the mud Paramotter stating

(05:11):
was was was a mardy you know, I mean no
grass at all. Well, not too far away from that,
too far away on the origin, all the origins. I
used to watch the w because I thought it was
like fresh start, a clean game, you know, no wrestling.

(05:35):
I guess what's happened. Unfortunately, the bad habits are creeping in.
All the bad habits are creeping in. They're all creeping in.
And there's even worse for first of all, starting to
wrestle and and I can wear that because it's part
of the game. Unfortunately, what the girls are doing now.
They're lying down, they're looking for penalties. They're holding the

(05:57):
back of their necks like like all their men, or
you know, they're looking at the referees trying to milk
milk a penalty. I don't I don't blame the girls,
nor do I blame the guys. I blame NRL. Yeah,
I blame it's you know, they they manufactured this situation.
You know, once upon a time, we used to laugh

(06:18):
about it. I used to laugh about soccer. I had
this thing about watching soccer, and I used to see
somebody get clipped. If get clipped and they're rolling around
like ten times, you know what I mean, and he's
looking at the referee and he's putting his hands up,
or he looks like he's you know, the ambulance come
out and look at it. Look, you know, I have
a think the guy just bumped into it. Nothing happened.

(06:40):
I used to laugh at that. I can't laugh at
that anymore. Honestly, I feel embarrassed. There is a way
to stop that.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
As soon as they hold the neck and they get
the penalty, then that player should just come off, or
at least they did that in soccer now they make
him come off really and then they bring it back
on shortly afterwards, so at least that when there's a stop,
eachain player they bring it back on. So if they
want to hold their neck, they've got to be prepared
to come off the field as well immediately. And that's
I think the only way they're going to stop it.
I love will they do it, We'll see. It's an

(07:08):
aural you know.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
You know what I understand. I understand what they're trying
to do. Yeah, they're trying to win a penalty for
their team, any advantage. I'm talking about. Nurla and all
are trying to protect players, and with that, they're trying
to protect themselves because in ten years, when there's going
to be a class action, someone's going to get hurt.
Someone they're going to they're going to say that, you

(07:30):
know what, we've done everything everything we can to protect you.
That's good and well. But along the way, what they're
actually doing is changing the fabric of the game. Money. Yeah,
now has the game changed since the early days, of
course it okay, But there's some things which is a

(07:51):
foundation of this game, and that's toughness, hardness, hard running,
hard tackling. That's made us fall in love of the game.
That's fall in love of the game. It's an emotional game. See,
this is what people don't understand. We watch rugby league
because we want to steer emotions in our body. And
that's what they that's what rugby league players well, that's

(08:13):
their well it's not their job, but effectively that's what
they do. But what they're what NRL is doing is
taking that away, which is changing the fabric of the game.
So if it looks if it looks dangerous, we must
be a yeah, he must it must be dangerous if
it looks like it's a hard tackle and his rock back,

(08:34):
his head went back and whiplashed. Whatever, Well, it's it's
got to be it's got to be dangerous. That will
penalize and we give him ten minutes. That's right, they will.
It's it's it's crazy. It's like the origin, which I
don't want to go into, but the bomb and uh
taha when he got sent off for ten minutes, what's

(08:56):
you supposed to do? You jumped up for the ball? Yeah,
the guy, The guy's much a foot and a half
taller than him. I forget the winger now he's a
foot and a half tall in him and he had momentum. Yeah,
well yeah he grabbed onto him. Oh yeah, you know,
sending for ten minutes. It's crazy. But what I'm trying
to get to so before you go on, is slowly

(09:19):
but surely they're changing the game. They're changing the fabric
of the game. So in ten years, what are we
going to be playing tag? I'm not I don't know
where they wanted to take it.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, the thing is, George, when you were playing rugby league,
every player knows there is a risk involved, whether they
could get injured. Like, it's not a sport where it's
impossible never to get injured. You're signing up for something
to play dangerous. Okay, that's very physical. So there's got
to be waivers in there somewhere to say no litigation
issues if there is a tackle that's gone wrong or something,

(09:52):
so you know what I mean. They should be able
to cover themselves that way.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Please. But yeah, it's just great.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's not boxing, Like are you saying Box was going
to go into a fight and thinking he's not going
to get hurt, Like, of course he's going to get
hurt because he's going to get punched. Well, rugby, they're
going to get tackled, so you're signed up for it.
You're getting paid good dollars for it. Honestly, when you
think about it, some guys are getting paid great dollars,
very good. You know, it's you can't. I don't know,
it's just becoming a joke. I think, like you said,

(10:19):
some players are falling and the guys have to the
anneral expects of guys to adjust his arm within that
split second, not to get him high. Like it's some
of them are just pure accidents, and you're going to
start looking at that, you.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Know, ones like when players are falling, yes, okay, and
you're forum clips there. I don't know, maybe they're their
head clips their head. But where his head was was
close to your knees exactly. So he's falling and you've
sort of put your hand out and you touch him
and it's a high.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Tackle, and that's the bunker's fault, sorry, because the bunker
needs to see where the player's arm was before the
guy was falling and where it is when he hits him,
and if he sees that, he's adjusted it to hit
the guy in the head intentionally then you know straight away.
But if you see the guy's arm hasn't changed motion
and the guy's head's fallen like how many centimeters and
got him, then then it's clearly an accident and no

(11:14):
action should be.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
It drives me crazy and as a rugby lely tragic
like myself, I just I just think, I just think,
where's this game going to be in ten years? Where
is it going? Like? It's sometimes it's hard to watch now.
Sometimes it's hard to watch now. Seriously, it's not the
game that I know. And and Nick goes on about

(11:36):
the toughness and and don't get me wrong, I don't
think you know, throwing punches is you know, to be tough,
but we want it to be a little bit more
visual and emotional. It's physical, it's physical, but there's things

(11:58):
that've taken away which takes that that emational part away
from it, you know what I mean. I could be wrong.
Maybe kids now growing up and expecting it, but I can't.
I can't buy it now.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Last weekend I said the Warriors New Camber game would
have been one of the best games for you. Yeah,
now that's the typic game that you like because of
the physic physicality, and Ricky stewartt came out after it
and said something to the words of they're trying to
take the physicality out of it because with all these
fouls and stuff like he wasn't happy about that. You

(12:32):
know what I mean, you have to expect this, Like
I was trying to defend the game how it is
and they can't change it. So that's what you want
to You want to see games like that bad against Camber.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
That was just a brutal game that that that game
threw me back to the eighties. One team trying to
drag the other team in the into the gutter, and
the other team bought it and they went into the
gutter and they just stayed into the gutter and they
forgot about the rugular league game and they'll throw rocks
at each other. But what it actually does as as

(13:03):
a spectator on at the ground or behind your television,
it affects you emotionally. And that's what rugby league is about.
I don't care what you're telling me. It doesn't worry me.
Why why does origin work? Because it's emotional. We want
something more than you know, I mean to win more
than the other team. But you're taking that emotion away

(13:27):
when when when you're when you're saying or what they're saying, Well,
they're trying to portray the game as so. But that
game was that was a pretty good That was a
pretty special special game. That one I couldn't I couldn't
believe it I was watching it. Actually, Yeah, that was
so good.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Just just quickly back to the girls origin who stood
out for you in that series? Which any particular girls
that you like.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
The third, the third or three out of all three?
You know when your South I was, We're far dominant
in all the two games and parts of the three games.
They probably weren't as prepared in the third one as
as Queensland and Queensland done. Queensland what Queensland does. There's

(14:11):
a little fullback Abby Church. She I think she got
pretty close to Man of the Match in the first game.
She's she's this little girl with lots of heart and
lots of pace and she just rocks. She's dangerous as
I come went to see her for Paramatta of course,

(14:31):
the Deli and winner of last year Kernigan. She's so good,
she's so good, she got I think she got Mad
of the match the first game, maybe maybe the second
game as well, you know what, as as as as
they changed the position she I think she plays in
the second round. I think they put a lot on

(14:53):
the edge. It's really funny. She's the best second round
in the game. She's the best edge runner in the
game as well. She rock. Look, Queensland won the second
the third game, which made it respectable to one, and
they've got something to build on. But I think they

(15:14):
might have a little bit of work to be done
for next year because your so I was with their
power power running and their power play were far better.
And the third one for a second, well, Kelly Isabelle Kelly.
She scored a try. She she she went over, but

(15:34):
she didn't ground the ball. Her arm grounded the ball. Yeah,
I don't, don't start me. Oh wow. So imagine she
scored the Troy she went over, she she she her
arm ground the ball. She got up. You know, the
try was awarded. The review went on and go to
the board, in't touch the ground and go what when
was that? I think? Wow, So if that try was allowed,

(15:58):
you I was would have won. But you know what, uh, Queenslander,
Queenslanders have got this. I'm not sure if she's a
young girl, but definitely a young woman there. Uh, what's
her name again? Forget now? She's a front roller. I

(16:18):
think she's her backgrounds Italian. I just got a blank.
She's she's a machine, you know, the hit man. She's
she's the hit woman. She's from which team? She's a Bronco.
She started, she didn't play the first game. In the
second game, I think she came off. She was in
the background. She she's a front roller. Yeah, she's probably

(16:41):
on the I've got Mackenzie will Destiny, Real, Jessica Elliston,
Sienna Lafito. Who's on the bench, Chelsea, Then that's the one.
She's a lock. She's a lock. Yeah, okay, okay, well
whatever she is. She's a wrecking mission. She's a sam
Burger's sam burg She came on, really, she came on

(17:01):
for for ten to fifteen minutes. Absolutely crushed the middle.
She had the rest. She came on, absolutely crushed the middle.
She scored the winning try. She rocks at I'm trying
to see where she plays, who she plays for. She's
a broncast Water, she's a place. She plays for the Broncos.
Grew up, grew up South Coast. I believe anyway, she's

(17:24):
the Broncos Broncos player. What about the officiating in the game,
I thought it was my favorite. Okay, I'm going to
say it. I've said it before on the main program.
I'm going to say it again. Belinda Sharp is not
up to reffin. I'm not going to start baking the league.
She's not up to refin Origin games and she definitely

(17:47):
one hundred not up for refin NRL. Now, if NRL
wants to feel that like they're doing the right thing
and they're inclusive, good and wellastic, but what happened to
the best person for the job? I can guarantee you Ardie,
blind the Sharp is not the best person for the job.

(18:09):
I'm not going to talk about her other mate. What's
her name? What's the other casey Badger? She she struggles
in the box. She really struggles in the box. And
when I see her on the sideline with the flag,
as Nick says, fansy flag, I get chills up my bag.
She's she doesn't ref games anymore because she's not up

(18:30):
to it. But blind Blinda Clark is it? Blind Blind
the Sharp? I don't know why they persist I don't
know what every time she does an n Oro game, Okay,
I fear she know. She's had eight challenges and six
were six were against her against her, So that's pretty damning.

(18:53):
That's pretty damning. And you can call me sexist. I
don't care what people want to call me. But it's
therefore to see you go and have a look at
the go and look at her game. And if you
think that she's reffing out a high clip, high standard name,
I'm wrong. I'm wrong, but I can guarantee you I'm
not wrong. She's just not up to it. She's not
up to it. Can we talk about ratings?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Can we talk about the Yeah, well look that's my
next point. Actually, look, Origin got four point ratings. Yeah yeah,
Origin got four point nine million viewers for the men's
one and for the women's we've got over just over
a million, which is the highest viewed game behind the
first Origin game. Is but what's your what's your thoughts

(19:32):
about the standard of of of the rugby league that
we're watching and the actual the channel line coverage.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Okay, let's go, let's go first. The let's go first.
The ratings look was expected in the Origin game Yeah,
it will be the highest watched television show because that's
what Channel nine looks at masyas. I don't know the
boot maps, so it's the it's the highest rating television

(20:04):
show of the year. And and when you look at
all the three games, they will be the highest rating games.
I find it amazing that NRL W can get a
million viewers per game. I find that amazing. And it's time. Now,
it's time, as I as I got that T shirt.

(20:25):
If you remember, I have to pay the girls. Yeah,
it's time to pay the girls. And let let me
let me, let me. Let me tell you. A young
NRL player goes to training, goes home and goes in
from behind. Ay and and and and I'm Sarah. I've
been a stereotypical person. Now I'm talking about the youngsters.

(20:46):
They go, they came from the television and pull out
there their control for the for the PlayStation. Eight out
of ten, yeah, eight out of ten. Some are fathers,
you know, I mean, some are some husband but in
general they really haven't got too much too much doing

(21:06):
after training. That's their job now, girls, because they don't
get paid, they have to go to work. They train
after work. Okay, half of them are married with children,
so they've got house choices to do as well. But
they're expected to give us on the weekend a high
standard rugby league performance. It's entertaining, it's entertaining. Yeah, yeah, okay,

(21:32):
Well I suggest that the results are in the game
is getting better as we speak. They say that rugby
league is growing crazy. Well, guess what. Take the women's
numbers out of it. We'll see how much rugby league's growing.
They say, rgule leg's growing. Yeah, that's what Verlandis tells us.
The feather says that the game is growing. Where we're

(21:54):
doing this, we're doing that. Take the women's numbers out,
we'll see how much it's growing. It's time to play
the girls. Time to make him a fully professional Okay,
if you want to move it the summer to give
him clean air. Look, I'm not going to say no.
I don't know how that's going to work. I don't
know how youre gonna play rougy league in summer. But
at night at night, hey, I would I would move

(22:16):
move Move there, move there there two rounds in the
summer period. Given their clear origin origin time, what's the
what's the bed I'll build up to something really good
and and and they'll pay you know what, when he
goes in two years, when he goes to the broadcasters,
be Channel nine, be It, Fox, Bead, Amazon, Optus, whoever.

(22:40):
And he's got he's got Men's Origin, Women's Origin, the
semifinal series and the proper comp of both of them
split split up. Imagine how much he can he can earn.
Because that's what that's what everybody talks about. Money, money, money, money.
I've never heard anything the land talks money. Every club

(23:00):
says about money. You know what I mean, money, money, money. Well,
if you want money, Pete, Look, I got no idea
about your job. You're doing a great job, apparently, you
know what I mean. I can see it on the field,
you know, if they touch your head. Yeah, anyway, Well
there you go, pet How about that? But it's okay,

(23:21):
we spend how many million to go to Vegas, which
nothing's going to come from. Yeah, exactly, fifteen twenty million
to go to Vegas, which again, it's great, it's fantastic.
I'm a big supporter. It's a great way to start
the competition. But let's get real to think that we're
making inroads into America. We are. You know, it's very fantasy.

(23:44):
We're fools if we believe that that's not happening. That's
not happening. That's my opinion. I don't know. I could
be wrong. Please if you think it's different, enlightened me.
What was the next question? The coverage.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Of of Channel line mate, I'm a Fox watcher. Yeah,
I love the commentary better on Fox. I can't listen
to any any broadcast that as a general manager of
a club, part of part of Yeah, to show there's
something wrong going on there.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
But anyway, we'll talk about that in the minute. But
coverage specifically about the Origin because I don't watch it.
I don't watch it during the year, like in around ten,
you know, normal rugby league, so I wouldn't know what
it's what it's like. Sometimes we got a dad's home
and then he's got he's got it on the background,
but we don't have the coverage, like we don't have

(24:36):
the sound on. We watched it, We watch it and
we talk probably better. Yeah, Look, they pay Channel nine
pay a lot of money basically to have have Origin.
I mean not that he doesn't rate the Sunday games
in the front right, but at the end of the day,
they give all that money for origin. That's what is

(24:59):
the big money spinner, mate, They can do a bit
better than the commentary they've got. It's appalling, it's it's
it's it's it's disgraceful. And I watch a lot of
American sports, and if you want to see how commentary
should be done or how courage should be held, have
a look at some basketball games. I don't watch NFL,

(25:22):
so I can't tell you there even even the hockey
that's going on. Now, have a look look how they
run their broadcast. And you told me that channel are
doing a good job, because when when you got when
you got h uh uh, what's which one? All the

(25:44):
commentators there to get good for a second? But John's
all of them Fidler, John Karon Smith Smith first. Then
I mean exceptional places one thing, Yeah, exceptional play most
of them what most of what we mentioned that mas
of them will be immortals. But I don't mind being biased,
but they've taken bias to this, Yeah that's this, to this,

(26:08):
to this world of non coming back. Uh, it's it's disgraceful.
It's really difficult. I turned I turned the volume down
when I was watching Origin. I turned it down. I
turned it down like jazz here a muffle so I
can just hit like like you know, crowd, crowd noise

(26:29):
more than them because it was hard to listen. And
you know what, especially like your Darren, you're you're you,
you were an exceptional rugby league player. You were I
really enjoyed watching you play. But my friend, when it
comes to when it comes to analyzing rugby league games,
guess what, my my my son, who despises all sports,

(26:56):
knows that one plus one is to do you understand
what I'm saying. He understands what one plus one is two. Okay,
if you, especially Origin, if you want to give us
some if you want to talk and analytical or something
that will inform us or interest us or excite me

(27:20):
instead of just saying very simple basic things where and
I said the same thing, which is my wife, who
another one hates sport and hates rugby league. She said
it a couple of minutes before he said it. It
must be pretty pretty, pretty high brow made. It must
be you know, real, you know, real real stuff. And

(27:42):
you know what Cameron Smith and all of them, which
I know they know the game. They keep right away
from anything of an lytical and they stick to promoting
their their marines, which is I don't know, is if
that's the if that's the way, If that's the way
broadcasting its supposed to be. Well again I'm wrong. So

(28:05):
you want to hear the more, be more analytical, breaking
down games and stuff like that. A little little bit
I'm not saying it. A little bit from Fitler here,
a bit of that. Sometimes. Yeah, he'll say this, Brad Brad. Okay,
I don't mind, Brad, Brad might be a little bit
better than the others and he's not.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Actually, maybe they're they're not allowed to. Maybe they don't
want them to be they find it boring. Maybe they're broadcasters,
so we don't want you doing too analytically.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Just be fun. Do do you think that's what it is?
I don't know. Maybe maybe because they're pretty smart guys.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, you're right. So I just sort of maybe being
whole back and I just said that these guys are moortal.
Yeah exactly, I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I don't I bow to these people, but I want
to be uber before I said, either I want to
be entertained, I want to learn something or listen to
them I'm either Yeah, I'm not entertained, nor do I
learn anything, so I don't know. I'm sure there's a
lot of people like me. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that

(29:08):
a lot of people understand rugby league and they treat
us like we're fools. We don't know rugby league, we
don't understand it. Yeah, and that's what irks me a
little bit. But again, I might be on the wrong track.
They do it. They get the ratings like five. I mean,
people watching, So I'm wrong, They're right. I'm wrong, They're
right exactly all right. Now, there's a couple of big

(29:33):
issues now that I want to bring up. We left
them to last. A big one.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Let's start with the Let's start with the lighter one.
What's happening with the Broncos?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Mate? What's happening with the Broncos now? Is the question.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
They're currently playing manly at the moment, so they could
be winning. Don't look at the phone. So they could
be winning for all I know. But what we've seen
in the last how many weeks, that's just not the Broncos.
Apart from that thirty points half against the Dogs, they
haven't been that impressive. What's happening.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So I get asked, I get I get asked this
a lot, like I know, I don't know, I don't know,
but this is this is this is what I think
I know because their roster, with their roster, they should
be at the moment top four and and starting starting
to build for a premiership push with their roster. In

(30:24):
my in my view, when when I look at that roster,
it scares me. When I see them playing, I get
a giggle. I get a giggle. It goes, it goes back,
it goes back for a while. Let me paint a picture.
Let me paint a picture, because rugby league is not
only how good your list is or how good individual

(30:45):
player is, which plays a big part, but there's another
part of it. And can it be showing that because
I told you about when I was watching them play,
was a camp, was a camera, yes against camera, and
somebody camera made made a sixty meter break crimeon called

(31:05):
just a meter off the line and I just glanced
at the back and the line was set, The line
was set, ready to move up. This is after a
big break. Yeah, and they didn't score out from that set. Wow. Yeah, Okay,
so that means they're all working hard and when you
look at the canterbi list, you can't compare it to

(31:27):
the broncosly. So let's let let let's let's let's go
back to to Colbo. Colbo went on on on air
and said something about his coach and there was no recompressions,
reconcussions from that. I think the only guy who got

(31:50):
it was the coach. He departed. He departed that year.
Then we had an incident with his man. Now, I
don't blame Isra Man for anything. Is Man did what
he did. I don't lock what he did, but he
paid his due whatever punishment he got. But this is

(32:12):
the thing now. Now, now the the police and the
courts have set a have set a bar. If you
do that, this is what you get. The Broncos or sorry,
the NRL, which they had a big opportunity to to
make a statement, they said a bar. They said a bar. Okay.

(32:37):
Then the Broncos club straight away when they could they
got him in. They said a bar. So they told
the plane group that if you're a good player, it's okay.
Whatever you do, it's like you get, it's ok as
long as you're a good player. As long as you're
a good player. Doesn't matter what happens. It doesn't matter.

(32:57):
It doesn't matter what happens. Okay. Then we then we
had the incident with the power liking a post like
in a post, and I saw the post, I went
back to have a look at the past, thinking it
was it's going to be a really bad post. No,
I don't think it was a baud. He apologized straight
away after it anyway, but you know, any unliked it.

(33:17):
Whatever it was. Okay, Well he got sacked, and that's
fair enough. You don't want him, you don't need him,
you're not going to play him. He's a strain on
the on the on the budget. We get rid of
him again. I've got no issue with all these things.
But what you're actually doing is subconsciously you're putting ideas
and thoughts in young man's minds. That's what you're doing. Okay.

(33:40):
Then lately we're had Reese okay again and nothing incident, nothing,
You know what, every twenty two year old boy does
that and more. The bad thing is he posted it. Hey,
for me, it's a nothing. But guess what did did
he get a talking to? That? That's all we got?
Bit of a bit of a talk. Yeahs on the risk. Okay,

(34:03):
So once again they've set a standard. Now, I said
to you at the end of last year, if Madge
can put character into this team in one off season,
I'll be a monkey's uncle. I'll be a monkey's uncle.
Well he hasn't obviously, he hasn't obviously. Now will they

(34:24):
make the eight? They probably won't make the eight, But
I'll tell you now, when there's a blow torch underneath
their belly, we see what's happened. I don't have told you.
I'm not making things up. We've seen it this year.
Last year we saw in the Grand Final, in the

(34:44):
Grand Final that they lost when the blooe torch was there,
gone gone. Okay. So if they keep on, if if
the Broncos club, if Magic keeps on accepting media okery,
media mediocrity, mediocrity, mediocrity, well that's what's going to happen.
If he doesn't stand up and do something like what

(35:08):
Gusta done and and get rid of twelve to bring
in twelve. Now, don't expect them to bring in twelve,
but he's got to. He's got to create an atmosphere
a lot of tension. They've got to be a little
bit scared of him as well. They've got to they've
got to want something hard. They don't want anything. They

(35:28):
don't want it because from from when I was thirteen fourteen,
they get put into a broncho system. They smash every
team in front of them. They're they're great, they're fantastic,
they're gods, they're gods. They get into the first grade
at at Aileen nineteen into a good into a good team.
They're gods. Where where do they Where do they work hard?

(35:51):
When do they work hard? When? When? When do they
have time to to create character for them? And character
and it comes from hard work and people can say
anything they want. It's therefore to see I'm not making
this up. It's in front of us what I saw
just before, it's in front of us tonight as well,

(36:11):
you know what I mean. So, so it's a problem
that they created. Now have they got? Can magic get
them out this year? Yes?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Hopefully it's a long season, mate, DM. Look there are
only two points or whatever this I think they are
in the eighth, so it's very tight. It can easily
turn around. What surprises me is after we saw that
game against the Bulldogs. They put thirty points on the
team competition leaders. Yes, and since that game they've lost
three in a row. So they've got it in them

(36:41):
and you think they're going to kick on from there,
but it's gone backwards since that game.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
They've got work. I saw forty minutes of perfection.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It was, it was perfection, and then after that we've
seen eighty minutes since of shit.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, when when they lost against every time, when they
lost against George, I did I did say to a
friend that, well, they lost against a half pairing of
Flannagan and Kingtonga with three NRL games and a guy
who's not a first grader. So they lost against that team. Yeah,
So if you think that they they played well, if

(37:13):
they played against a Storm or a good team, they
would have could have put a thirty forty on them.
That's my pin.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, it's disappointing. As a Broncos fan. You just be
scratching your head, going what's happening.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It's just you know, like I say we need a
strong New Zealand team. I say we need a strong
Paramount team and a strong Canadaby team, and I'll throw
I'll throw West in as well. The Sydney. Okay, for
the crowds to come in, you need s George strong
and that's that's when you get the flocks. That's when
you get them. We need all these teams to be
in the hunt and which they are so and the

(37:47):
Broncos you need them in there. You need the strong
Broncast team. But we could, we could. We can talk
about the Dolphins and they're doing okay, they're right, you
know North Queensland again, they're all right, they're not bad.
Gold Case have got some issues. Gold Golcos forget it.
I don't know does he can't even fix that? He
kind of it's a cultural thing. It's a cultural thing.
And you know what, when DESI goes up and can't

(38:08):
sort that out, it goes really deep. I don't know
what you can do. Broncos are different. Broncos should be
not only top four, they should be threatening. They should
be we should be talking about them that they're in
a window. That's my opinion. But again people think I
don't like him, so I don't like them. I want
to see I'll make it very very very clear. I

(38:30):
love watching good rugby league wherever it comes from. Don't care,
do you.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Think that part of the problem with the Broncos is
since they got rid of Wayne Bennett. Becausehen Wayn. Bennett's
at the team, they perform at their peak, they don't
go that bad. But since Bennett left and they kicked
him out, they didn't want to kick him out. They
wanted Seaball. But since then they've had Sea Ball, they've
had Walters now and they've got McGuire like it's their

(38:57):
own doing because they got rid of a super coach
could control these characters and probably do something about and
get better results.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Well, but he wasn't good enough for him. Apparently they
wanted to get rid of him. My question to you is,
knowing WAYN Bennett's track record, if he had Broncos, this
Broncos team right now, do you think they'll be top
four pushing for a PREMI shure absolutely. So there you go.
That's answers. Answer the question, yeah, answer the question. Yeah,

(39:26):
but it looks like that burnt that bridge. I don't
know whether you'd want to go back after what they
did to him. It's pretty bad. Yeah, you won't go back,
you know the other issue is that Madge. Madge is
a really good coach for a rep team. I don't
know how he's going to go. Who want to comp
with Souse? Yeah, the Sam Burgers man. But still he's

(39:48):
got he's got Carric and he's got hass Are.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
He's saying he can't do the same with Broncos with
paying hass that he did with Soaus with Burgess. Come on,
hauss is the goat. He's the greatest all time. We're
not going to see anyone better than He's not human.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
He's not human. But I'm going to shock you now
if you ask me who would I prefer Samuel? Really
just because of his attitude as he's a winner, so one.
It's physically gifted, just physically. Pain is just out of

(40:25):
out of this world. It's just a natural. He doesn't hurt,
he doesn't fatigue, he keeps on going, he punches the line.
It's just it's just something special to watch, but with
no fuss, no aggression. Sam's a wrecking ball. Sam is
sam was a wrecking ball. And you know what he

(40:46):
brings everybody with him. I'm not sure if Pain brings
people emotionally with him, an emotional human being. It does
his job. Don't get me wrong. Remember what I said
about origin. The shot was always after our hush run,
That's when the shot was on. So yeah, look he's

(41:08):
a he's a special human being. But look again, I'm
expecting them to be the broadcast, to be top four,
and I'm expecting them by the end of the year
to be to be pushing. Okay, I really, I really am.
Look at the list and if they're not, if they
don't make top eight, gee, so what would be the

(41:30):
So you're going to have the management has to give
the coach some complete leeway and he's he has to
he has to cut or he can't cut twelve. Any
good can do that? Well, no, you can't cut twelve.
He has to cut. Yes, hell you cut well number one.

(41:51):
Reynolds goes, well, he's not signed anyway. Okay, Reynolds goes, uh.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Ben Hunt will then go to seven. They've sign him
for a couple of years. Think so he could play
the role next year.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'll get rid of bed Hunter. Be if you asking anyway,
you cut your think you know what? You know what
when you're a training you know who's who's a bit
weak and not not not not weak? Or you start
now and you do a serroudo when when they had
that trouble with that the Pine guy whatever his name was,

(42:22):
who took him to court. How they found weakness in
all these players. You go down that road, you're absolutely
given to them and whoever. Because there's there's a word
in the media in Brisbane there that they're not happy
with him and he's training too hard. Let's find these
people and second simple sacam, Yeah, that's how you start.

(42:48):
So this so with this, make this fire. Okay. Someone
is said that there's no doubt in the corean male.
They're saying that the training so Walters is too soft
and this guy's too hard. So what you do is
you find that one, that two, that three, that's three players.
Wait do you see the way? Do you see the

(43:09):
whole place? Change it? Yeah? Okay, we've we've we saw that.
We saw that in front of us. Yeah, the Bulldogs
three years ago. Every game Okay, so when we're losing
by forty, I was happy. Yeah, when we'll lose listen,
listen to me. When we're losing by forty, we're losing,
buye much more than forty. I was happy three years ago.

(43:32):
Only Yeah, So if if, if Sirah can turn it
around in three years. I'm sure magic can. All you
do is be strong. Well, look at Webster. He went
to the Warriors and they were a basket case. So
we're just all over the place. And look what he's
done there there, all of a sudden become a great side.
So that's perfect. He'd be the man him.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Is what he's done is I think, more freaky than anyone,
to be honest, pretty good, which it's very good.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Were so many injuries and he had to reform that
whole team and restructure their their their patterns of play,
and so the first year it was a very very
very sort of pen sort of style. Now it's not anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Honestly, I think what they should do is, I think
Brisbane should demand pain house and Carrigan gets sacked and
go to Saint George so they can learn from Yeah,
make us fans happy.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
You're right, you're right, you're right, right, Maybe.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Along it's nice pain, if you want nice pain, if
you want on the beach, on the beach, it's beautiful,
beautiful Carrigan as well with you, there's there's some carrig
Is issues there.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Carrigan hasn't had a great Yeah he's and so that
and and I'm a massive kind of carrigan. I don't
know why. Maybe because he's put him in the middle,
I don't know, but he's and in the Origin arena.
He wasn't as good as I expected him to be.
So yeah, very quiet one for him. But anyway, that's

(45:02):
that's og. This is the big one now, mate, this
is the one that I think Tanya and Nick wanted
to hear your thoughts for last week but you couldn't
make it.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
But let's hear it now. Galvin officially signs for the Bulldogs.
Gus got his way. Now, firstly, what's your thoughts on
this whole Gus gould Saga, this whole bashing he got
from Chalmers, this manipulation that he's been doing all through
the media to get Galvin there and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Mate, What's what's your thoughts? So I'm going to be
long winded again, and I've got views, and I've got
two different different views Full Good Bulldogs put them on. Yeah,
everybody knows I'm a Bulldog Bulldog supporter, so that's why
I've got two views. Full Gold is a despicable grub

(45:53):
what he did and how how he he performs his business,
caughting a young man for about I don't know, sixteen
to eighteen months through the public is disgraceful. Now do
we think that behind closed doors, other CEOs general managers

(46:14):
are not doing it. I'm not not ove enough to
know to think that things that happen like this in
different clubs with different people, with different general managers. But
the way this man, the way this man has done
it is wrong to the highest order. And I'm surprised

(46:35):
that he's not sacked from Channel nine. But Channel nine
is more spineless than the NRL, so they're not going
to sack anyone because that show gets high ratings. The
what was it called rubbishared, I don't watch it well.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Now everyone knows that everything he says is lies anyway,
so it's going to wreck the credibility of that show.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
And what he actually did accept in interview from from
Chambers is that he exposed himself. He did I've never
seen him buckles as for the first time in my life,
I saw Phil Good the big power breaker buckle because
you know what Chamers was right, Okay, you know what
when he asked him that haven't you spoken to to

(47:19):
like and he said no, you know what we all
know that we all know that's a lie. The coaching
staff has explain you line, piece of ship. That's all
I can say about you now as a Bulldog supporter, Okay,
I love what he's done. Well no, well yeah you
got the result. So so so what Gus gul does

(47:44):
and has done? And what what's that piece of rubbish?
What Isaac Moses does and and Ac says it. He
gets the best deals for his for his clients, and
Gus does the best for for for the Bulldogs. It's
just the way he conducts his business. Now, I personally
think he should resign from Channel nine and he can

(48:06):
do whatever he wants all the Bulldogs. He can resign
for one. But guess what, he doesn't want to lose
his clip of one point three for Channel nine and
one point eight for the Bulldogs. Wow, he doesn't want
to lose his clip there money man? Oh yeah, come on,
I mean, let's get real. You know, you know Gus
coul You know he's a university graduate, he's a lawyer.

(48:29):
That's why it's such a good speaker. They don't think
he's a dummy. He's no dummy, of course not. He's
no dummy. So what is effectively done for the for
the Cannaby team this year is effectively derailed season. I
can I can guarantee you that that that's going to
happen because when you go through a preseason and you

(48:49):
surrounded did to them what he did to them, put
them through living hell and says to him that I
love you, I'll die for you, I'll kill for you.
But you you you can go? Okay, twelve rounds in? Yeah,
trust he is gone. It will take a while to
build up again. This kid better be a fucking immortal.

(49:11):
What he's done in and around the game, He's put
the game in distribute Poor Benji? Now is he right? Maybe?
Do I think Benji is a good coach right dis moment? No,
he's not a coach. You need five years in the
Reggies and then you can start talking about being a coach.
The guy two years ago became a coach, not a

(49:33):
Reggis coach, first grade coach, so he's still learning on
the job. Do I like bench? Yes? Do I think
he's going to be a good coach? Yes? I do
think he's so is Galvin Wright or whoever said that?
Because I don't believe that Galvin went to his father
or to his manager and said that Benji can't. I

(49:54):
don't believe it does. What does Galvin know about a
good coach? He's nineteen. When has he ever been coached
at a high level? So he doesn't know. Now, I
think the kid's been poorly advised. And I hurt for
the Tigers' supporters and the Tiger's team. And you know what,

(50:15):
I got an eighty eight or eighty six year old
father who's sitting down and asking me, and what do
I telling him? Asking me? Why? Why? What do I
tell the guy? Yeah? I tell the guy. So I
feel for them. Now, what what Gus has actually done
is if you go forward three years and you have

(50:40):
Matthew Wood at number seven, that promising youngster we've got
and he looks the real deal. You got Galvin, a
developing and his three years into his career and knows
the system at six, and you buy and you will
buy another strike fullback with what's there? You look, you're

(51:03):
talking rings because this year, even without Galvin, you're not
talking rings because we saw three games. Three games Bronco
has done it to him, Camera done it to him.
And then the fin's done to him. How you beat
canterby not hard, I'll tell you now, not hard to
be canterby their their their middle is as weak as jelly.

(51:26):
But you just have to keep on, keep on, keep
on keeping at it. You have to keep on keeping
at it, and you'll get it. Okay, So what what what? What?
I don't know what more to say. I think I
think you should I think you should go. I think
you should get sacked from Channel nine. Honestly, I think
you should resign from Channel nine and and then we
won't be having these conversations. Chamis exposed him, Chamus exposed him,

(51:50):
and I don't know. I think Chambis is a fucking
grub as well. Personally, I think Chamis is a grub
as well. Pretty exposed or what what type of grub
he really? So? So before that interview we thought maybe, no,
he's a grub, disgraceful, disgraceful human being, but he gets
results for his team. I don't know. I want to

(52:13):
be fair and balanced. What's wrong is wrong, and he
was wrong. He was fucking wrong. He made me sick,
really honestly, in the pit of my stomach, made me sick.
But on the flip side and his kid, like I said,
better be a bloody and mortal. At the end of
the day, he's doing the right thing for his Yeah,

(52:33):
save me here, No, no, I want to be fair.
I think it's what he's done is just it just
shows a lot about his character. Yes, it does, because.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
What he said about Bendy's got is what's upset most
of the Tigers guys like Leu and that they're all
upset about that. But I can understand if Lachlan went
to Paramatta because that was his junior club and apparently
he was a supporter.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Of Paramatta and blah blah blah, so.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I could sort of underst Then he left Tigers to
go back to his junior club to be there played
next to Mitch Moses, who is a star all right,
But he went to Canterbury because he thinks he's got
more chance of winning a camp there.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Now, Mitch Moses did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
He left Balmain to the Tigers to go to Parramata
because he thought he had more chance of winning a
Grand Final. Well, he's thirty one, he doesn't won a
comp yet and he's closer to retirement than Lachlan is.
But he could finish his career without a crop premiership
and he did the same thing Galvin did. Basically he
left because Tigers weren't good enough, right t Desk. I
did the same thing, but he went to Robbo. Now

(53:32):
do you think so oldo is that good that he's
going to win a camp? Like he's leading the comp
in first of June after twelve rounds and he's only
beaten what Sharks and this and Canberra right who were
twenty miler ahead and put the qu in the rank.
But apart from that, he's beaten all teams that probably
won't be in the aid anyway.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I said that.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
So for Galvern to think that, just for Galvin to
think that he's going to get a Canry win a camp,
he's taking a big gamble. Like if he wants to
win a camp, then he appro knocks on Cleary's door
and says, I want to I want to go to
Penrith and I want to play next to nath Cleary.
Or he knocks on Robbo's door and goes, I want
to go to Roosters, I want to comp, or he
goes to Bennett, or he goes to Bellamy. But Soroll
you know, I don't get it, you know what, Like

(54:13):
he had the same pools at the same pooling originally.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, how's he going now? Is he gonna win? Are
they going to win a camp? I'm not sure. I
don't think so. Actually I thought this year.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Well, I said the same with Canary As what sharks
for three years beating the bottom sites.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
But I think that a young Galvin has drank Phil
Gul's kool aid exactly. He sold him. He's a snake.
He sold him, He sold him, sold him. Now now
I don't know. I'm not going to city and tell you.
What I can tell you is that I see how
he's improved a rugby league team. But he's got next

(54:50):
to him, Phil gool Yeah, no other coach, no other
rugby league coach has got next to him. It's a
big thing. I feel good. It is. Imagine if Saint
George it is general manager, feel good and he turns
your roster by twelve players. Good question. Yeah, I know
it's Jeworie, But what I'm saying is you can't judge Serrada.

(55:14):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
You can't judge Serrada, but you can judge that club
because look at Toby Sexton, now like Toby Sex and
all of a sudden he's thrown out of the rubbish.
And if Lachlan Galvin in eighteen months time Cannabury is
struggling and he gets thrown, they're just going to thrown
out of the water. But the same thing can be
said for the Bulldogs. Lachlan Galvin to me, showed the
top of character that he is. That if the Bulldogs
are struggling in three years and his contract's up, he's out.

(55:36):
So he's just going to change ship to the ten
that's coming first.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Again. Okay, I don't trust this guy. He's got a
very bad character to me. Now, Okay, look I'm not
prepared to talk about his character yet and I'll tell
you why because I don't believe he's just been pulled.
He's nineteen. He's nineteen, How can you have character?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
But it didn't have to say anything, mate, Yeah, compare
Lomex now to him, right, wanted out nothing. They didn't
say nothing about anything. He just wanted out of the club.
That makes the man, yeah, I know, but still man,
he could have just kept his mouth shut. He didn't
have to say anything about Benji. You know, I don't
want to be coached by whatever he was. I agree
now like you said, it could be his manager that

(56:17):
said that.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
But yeah, yeah, we don't know. We don't know. Look,
I agree, I don't know. When I speak Rugby League,
like I just said about the Broncos, I speak from
seeing something. And when I said that continuously the same things.
Well there's something there, I'll speak about it. But with Lucky,

(56:38):
I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, what did I
tell you before? I think it's before Gul's first mistake
he's pulled, since it's been at Canterbury for three years,
whatever it's been, I think he's pulled every right rain.
This one, I think is his first mistake. You'll see.
I don't know. I don't, I don't. I really don't know.

(57:00):
All I know is and you know what, I really
I really hate this on on socials and on the
Bulldog's forums and the podcasts, some of the podcasts that
I listen, all you bulldogs who are crying about sucking
this and sucked in that, and we've got this, we

(57:23):
got that. Hold Hold up for a minute, as Adie says,
hold hold, hold my beer, because you don't know what
we've gone. We've seen glimpses of a young man playing
some high quality of rugby league at the same age.
Katawa for me is far far better, exactly, and so

(57:46):
many streaks ahead of Galvin. They're the same age. Actually,
No is Galvin's nineteen, he's twenty twenty or twenty one.
Twenty one is okay, even if twenty one. I saw
this last year when he was twenty. Yeah, exactly. So
he's far, far, far far better than than you at

(58:08):
the moment. Like you. So guys, be careful what use
are saying, because we know nothing. We know nothing. We've
heard one GM believe that he's the best thing he's
ever seen. As Nicol said that had Fitler, ye same,

(58:28):
and what Nicol said last week he had head in
his team an eighteen year old Bidlow who played for
Australia the same year and Origin the same year.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It goes to show how much you looked at his
Penroth juniors too, because the guys like Yale and Cleary
came out starring as we suppecially now they've got four rings,
more than any other player that he's coached, and they
didn't see them as superstars when our young So God
this guy must be really special. Let's wait and see,
say now to finish this sof George, let's finish this

(59:00):
off with a closing quote. Now, with all this rubbish
that we saw with Gold and Moses, the two guys
that have got the most power in the the looks
things because Valandis isn't doing anything in the Channel nine
or anyone, so they're letting them just do whatever they want.
You think that the only thing that we should do
now is bringing a draft and a trade window, and
with those two things relinquishes all power that they're know

(59:22):
all these play managers and all these things, and Gold's
talk it does nothing because at the end of the day,
all these players go in to pull and straight away
that any team can bed for him. Most of the
teams at the bottom that need the most. That is
that you reckon, thank you. The only solution is this
er earl. Now, can they look at this now and say, okay,
now we definitely need a trade window and we definitely
mad it.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that in
these questions he's asking me either off the car or
just he knows me. Well, it's a pet a pet
bug for me. Where the only professional game, one of
the amni professional games in the world, number one has
not got a draft, who has not got a trade window?

(01:00:04):
And and the other thing is we don't know how
much players are earning, nor do we know how much
their third parties are. We have to we have to
go finding this. And plus this is the other the
other thing we talked about Channel nine and this is
this is more r than Channel nine because channel and

(01:00:28):
I should demand this. So when you watch and I'll
go n B A because because I watch NBA. Let's
say the Lakers. So the Lakers have a podcast which
comes out every day. They have a YouTube channel which
comes out every day with new footage at training, and

(01:00:51):
they pick a player and they even go to their houses.
There you go, there, you go so much access there, Okay,
you guys. Further because on the ground, the top players,
I'm like, uh oh wow. So when they do something,
when they're talking to their players, maybe not live, but

(01:01:12):
when they play a replay you can hear. Imagine how
cool would it be to hear when someone makes a break,
what's happening all around him? Yeah, I think it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So all of a sudden, Cleary would look like even
the biggest star, wouldn't it because no one knows what
he says, and there they just say that he's a failure.
But you know, he's actually quite a He does a
lot of the talking. If it's not for Nathan's talking,
a lot of things don't get done.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Again, well, thank you, so, so Nathan is a good example.
Nathan's a good example. And I'll tell you why because
we on the television and people who don't thoroughly understand
rugby league, okay, have a look at players and if
they're not breaking breaks or they're not making massive tackles

(01:01:58):
of forty twenty's, well they've had a bad game. But
when when a Nathan controls and are taking shape with
his mouth and has a look at the has a
look at the defense and controls with his movements and
with the ball movements controls the defense. I'd love to

(01:02:20):
hear what's happening. I'd love to hear Nathan, Nathan, you know,
turn around to the hookah and say you know we're
going to left three, right, We're going We're going to
do this explains the whole set, okay, and then you'll
see it unfold. I think it's it's it's it'll be amazing.
I'd love to me being a footing nerd, I'd love

(01:02:42):
to hear stuff. And you know what Shade Guilders Al
Alexander's the m VP this this year in NBA, he
was miked up and it was amazing. I heard what
I would hear what he's thinking, and you know they'll
they'll twelve down and he instructed for two minutes. He came,

(01:03:03):
they came back and he constructed the whole movement. It
was amazing. You can hear him talk it. Yeah, I
don't know. Even that Grand Final where they won against
the Broncos, imagine that fifteen minutes that when they were
coming back, you could hear what was happening and what
they were saying. What you know, how things were unfolded.
Can you imagine those huddles, what they say, you know,

(01:03:23):
when they breathe, I'd love to know what they're saying
or behind the past, I'd love to know what they're saying. Yeah,
so access Sorry, I went off the I went off
the track. And that's more about Channel nine and money
for the thing. Oh draft, imagine if we had a draft. Okay,
come November December. Whatever it is. Okay, there's a draft.

(01:03:46):
It's televised exactly. It's televised more content because guess what
drafts in all the other codes televised exactly. I'll tell
her to be huge events. So who comes on the market?
Locking guess what? Who's coming last? Now? Penriff? Let's say,
oh god, let's let's say Piff's coming last. They got

(01:04:07):
the first dip. They got the first dip, So I
guess all of a sudden, Phil gool partly is taken
out of his influence on Channel nine and what he
does behind the behind closed doors where it should be
we don't know, hasn't done it, can't do it. First
first dip is Penriff. Okay, let's say Pendriffe passes up,

(01:04:30):
passes him up because they want the third pick. Let's say,
for argument's sake, or wait a minute, who wants him?
It's can we want him? Okay? Well, they want Burton
and Thing back. They want Burton back and they want
kick Out back. That's okay, so yeah, we got luck
like who you go for us? They go, We'll give
you some reserve. No, how about how about Burton? Oh no,

(01:04:53):
well you you're the one who want him. You don't
have to have him, no problem, you don't want him,
you don't want him. Oh, let's make it, do you know?
You know here we go, so all of a sudden
you can see how full gooal his power is his
half exactly. But guess what's even better? You know that
piece of rubbish management manager, he's got no say at all.
He's going a little much less. They can negotiate money.

(01:05:16):
You can negotiate money if you want. That's it. But
where he goes how he's doing his no So you
know when when how Moses goes to Manly and loads
him up with players that no one else wants and
he's got to they've got to pay that much for him. Well,
that can't happen under the draft. Yeah, okay, now origin

(01:05:38):
time trade window, that's it, no problem, Like he wants
to wait to the trade window. Fantastic, not a problem. Trade.
But you trade players and money and picks. So if
you're going to do the NBA, the NBA away, you
have picks. They give you picks. It's a long, long story.

(01:06:01):
So let's forget the picks. It's too hard to work out.
So okay, so who you got. It's the same thing.
Who you got for me? I got Lucky? You want
who do you want? Yeah? I mean you want Luckier.
I'll take him him here now, okay, next, So you
know what, Diet Dick get a stupid Newcastle will jump
in and give him two million dollars and give us
half a squad. You know how Newcastle is. They bought

(01:06:23):
for one point six one point three, so they probably
take Lucky. They'll probably give you Ponger in half the team.
It probably will, you know what I mean. So you
don't have to negotiate with gool So if it were,
it just makes so much. That makes sense if you
don't have if you've got a salary cap and you

(01:06:43):
don't have a draft and a trade window or salary
cap doesn't work. Sorry, cap doesn't work and work, it
doesn't work. Because you know what I would love to know.
I would love to know the Bronco players they're also
they're really yeah, and the Bulldogs and the Bulldogs Yeah,
I'd love to know this. I'm sure Lord has given

(01:07:04):
him money left the table, but let's forget that. I'd
like to know because because while she's not on a
million dollars, he's on a millon dollars on the books,
Yeah for sure. Okay, if he's not on one point
five with third parties and that's legal. Is that problem? Here?
Is that problem? But we don't do it. We're the
only We're the only sport I'm telling you now google it.

(01:07:25):
I thought I was wrong. We're the only sport that
don't know a player salaries. Yeah, it's crazy, and we're
supposed to be this sport. Rugby league is a sport
that's that run like somewhere back in the seventies. Really,
we're a primitive, little backyard and that's why we're going

(01:07:47):
to die. For all the land Is tries and for
for his efforts of making us, you know, a powerhouse sport.
If you don't doesn't change the way he does business.
We're just this little backyard sport which eventually maybe even die.
Maybe we'll die very seriously because the things they do

(01:08:11):
and the are real whatever those well, you know what,
they think they're doing the right thing for the players,
and the players think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
We can see how many mental illness cases we had
this year alone, so they're doing a great job. Every
player's got mental illness by the looks of things, so obviously,
But the thing I don't understand with is, like you
said before, there's so many codes that have got drafts
and trade windows. So all the NRAL have to do
is go and speak to those codes and find out
what they've got in the back end that protects them

(01:08:41):
from any rl pas and that attacking them and then
putting them in place, and then they're clear. They can
just go back and say, well everyone else doesn't, so
we're doing it based on these factors, you know what
I mean. So it can be done. It's just that
they just don't want to. And maybe because there's a
couple of guys that we know now that are pulling
the strings.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
No, no, right, you know what I expect. Nothing shocks
me anymore because you know what I thought, Abdullah and
the Landis are running the game. Well now we know
they're not running absolutely, they're not absolutely. And and there's
I believe that there's more gasses and there's more we

(01:09:20):
just don't know them. There's more gusses, and there's more.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Piece of gems on TV though sorry, there's no germs
on other club gems on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
That's true. No, no, no, he's he's the biggest. Look
what he done, how he courted Lucky from his podcast,
from from the television we show whatever that shows hundred
forty or whatever. It's waterline. It's got to be illegal, surely.

(01:09:52):
I don't know. It doesn't. It doesn't sit right with
me anyway, And I'm a dog. Support just doesn't sit
right with So I don't. I don't know anyway. But
you know what, he's there now, and let's see how
things unfold. I'm going to say it before anything happens.
I think it's his first big mistake. Yeah, I believe
first big mistake. I think it's his first, not second.

(01:10:13):
Ivan clear and bring any at the since the rebuild anyway,
what he's done, Well, again, that's therefore to see as well. Yeah,
that's therefore. And we've already the book. We've already in
the book. Well, everyone makes mistakes, mate, So this might
be one. You don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
It could be a master stroke, or it could be
a mistake. Time will tell, Who knows, time will tell?
All right, anything else you want to get off your chest? George,
am I going to see you tomorrow kicking stones again?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
There's a lot of things that it's a lot of
things a lot of random stuff. You are you asked,
I think it's I think I'm tapped. I'll wait tapped.
I think I'll wait to Tuesday. N Yeah, we'll wait
for the to come on to talk and to talk
or Origin and I haven't gone. We haven't think, No,
we didn't for them for sure. Origin and the Rugby

(01:11:07):
League tea. You know what, tea, there's always the second
game and there's no way in the world they can
play that bad again. So I really believe when has
it ever been too nil or three? Was it recently? No?
We always going to decider. Yeah, we always going to decide.
I can't. And you know what if it has been

(01:11:28):
too nil, it's Queensland doing it twice. Yeah, because last
year went to three. Remember where that's sensational. Third game?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I think it was fits last year when it went
to to nel and then that's where it got sacked. Yeah,
he lost, lost and then they won the last one.
Maybe I don't know something like that. So I don't
believe for one minute that it's going to go to
Sydney too, Neil, don't. I don't think. So you don't
change the team or you have to do. They didn't
play well, so you just just stick with the same

(01:11:57):
kids and and and preparing them better.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
We'll talk about that in depth on Tuesday, Tuesday Off,
as well as talk about the wonderful Saint George win
on the week.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Anyway, Thank you was sort of a game. No worries, George.
I'm glad that we'll be able to run this one,
this show for we mate to get it off your chest.
So call it quits, call it quits. Work well, everybody
on Tuesday. So everybody on Tuesday. And I hope you
enjoyed the show. H