Off The Bench - EP.06 (STATE OF ORIGIN EDITION)

This week George sit's down with two local Western Sydney boy's as they talk about NRL , The State Of Origin game 1 and game 2 prediction's and rank all NRL team's from best to worst

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to off the bench, Offthe bench, Off the bench, Off
the bench, Welcome back off theBench. Episode six. Um, today
we've got the youth in the inthe in the lab. We got a
favorite there, Big bad Dave.How are you, Dave? I'm great,
Thank you bad big and very goodto have your back. We got

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a friend of the pod, friendof the pod, but he's first time
on Drew. How things mate,Yeah, good, good, thank you.
Um. Once David jumped on thepod and I was nagging him get
me on the pod. He reallywants them. Footy footy. Footy is
my happy place that I just loveit, love it. So yeah,

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thanks again for having me on.Oh mate, the good to have it,
good to have you and those wordsI heard, your happy place,
You're You're very close to my heart. I always say that it's the first
thing I think about when I wakeup, the last thing I think about
at night. And um, Iworry about um salary caps more than my
mortgage. So yeah, so youand me one one one, one of

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the same. H what don't wetalk about the elephant in the room.
Origin. Let's not talking about Origin. Let's not let's not worry about what?
What happened Origin one, It's it'sdone, dust it over. I've
calmed down. If you heard thelast week, pot I was up in
arms, so I was very angry. But let's me move forward. Um

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and uh the halfback, what's yourwhat's your thought on? Um? What's
your thought on? Mitch? Letme just quickly say that as a knie
OFFA Oh it's a heartbreak. Itis a heartbreak. But every year we
put on that blue jersey and wewatch them go through highache. But no,

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look, so Moses got the gigthis time game two, So preferably,
I think I would have went withUm, would have went with Nico
to start, play the six andplay clearly. But as things happened,
that's moved on. So we'll goon to where we're at and I think

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Moses will do a job. AndI think, you know, it's good
that we stuck by with Lui.But Moses, look, he showed it
yesterday playing played brilliant. Yesterday wasagainst the depleted dogs side, but you
play who you're up against, Sowhat do you what do you think?

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Um? Fiddler picked him for thereason was it he's a running game.
He's kicking games. He's not anorganize in half, so we haven't got
that. But that was Norma's Nico. But now we play that with Lui.
They're both you know runners. Moseshas a much better kicking game than
Lui. Um, but what we'llsee, you know, that's the thing

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we do. We take Reynolds umto play play it in Suncle. You
know, that was the plos andcons that we were looking. I don't
know why he took him, butit was just between them two, really,
wasn't it. Reynolds and Moses.You have Burton in annoy On,
you know, like what we sawprevious years, Burton with a big kick

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and you know, territories everything whenit comes to origin, you know,
we can get those big kicks downthere. Yeah, keep him in there.
I'm not sure why he picked umMitch, but all I can think
about is that that Mitch has gota really good kicking game. Same it's
probably similar to Nathan. So possiblythat's one reason. Um. You know

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what, they're going to have toadjust a bit because they they predominantly play
a pair of system. UM likeit or not, they had to um
not. I'm not sure if ifthe Penrith system works in Origin for two
reasons. Number one, um,the defense is a little bit more quick

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moving, and number two because theyhaven't got the architect of the of the
attack, which is Ivan Cleary.So um, but look, let's see
what happens, Dave, what doyou reckon? Yeah, well it's with
the penrith thing. Like it's nota club game. So like penritha works
for club game, but you putsix pen Panthers players in Origin for New

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South Wales. It was like,it's not gonna it's not gonna work the
same. It's just different. It'sdifferent. I'll I'll tell you something.
Back in back in the mid eighties, there was a paramounted team which was
Star Started. They won't three orfour in a row Curraban now through I
think three in a row. We'retalking. Um, you know Kenny Ella
Sterling, you know Star Started.Um, they put eight of those players

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in Origin where it can happen.They lost the lost. Yeah. Fuck,
I think club combination. I'm notsure if it works or not work.
It obviously didn't work last time forus or do you think that they
were mentally prepared do you think doyou think Freddy didn't do it? Works
for Queensland, like for years Ihad Slater Smith Cronk there that all worked

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well for them. But for newstaff Wales, is there any difference names
you just said they're all immortals.Yeah, they're all they're going to be
immortals. Yeah. And now they'reall in the Queensland box, you know.
And that's the thing when you lookwhere was Slater um a few years
ago? He was in that Melbournesystem helping out when Melbourne beat Pendals in

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the Grand Final. And Billy Slaterisn't no Um no slout so quite the
opposite. Um. So he heknows depend on system. He knows how
to beat it, is on itlike he's been there and you can see
he he's taught Queensland and they knowwhat's coming. Queensland just read dependent system.

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They they smashed it. This ismy analogy in state of origin.
Um. You know when and againthis is just an analogy. You know
when your your father, um,it's got cancer, you'll do anything and
everything Ben Dave Backwoods to try tohelp him out. You know what I
mean? Um, you know whenyour very best friend he's got cancer,

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you do your best. But atsome stage you're going to give up because
it's going to get him. Butyou won't stop with your dad. You
won't stop until he's right. Andthat's the difference. I believe. Um,
it's been bred into them. It'sbeen bred into them from early,
from an early age. That numberone um New South Wales. People hate

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them. It's a myth. It'sa myth, but they believe it,
you know what I mean? Andand and they can't some of them come
to Sydney and play and they realizethat it's not true. But when they
put that Morane jersey on for someown reason, something magical happens and they
believe it because it's bread. Andyou know what what happened last weekend?

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One man down, um ridiculous toyou know, one man down two points
down, which was a two pointsdown. Yeah, and then they scored
in the last ten minutes. Yeah, they scooed two tries. Well that
was made from So some some tenyear old kid in Caloundra saw that and
he's believed in a myth. Sohe's going to come through. Maybe ten

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kids in Queensland saw that. They'regoing to come through believing that myth.
So that's that's what I think thedifference is. Look in terms of the
new South Wales team, who doyou think should have missed missed out Latrells
in thank God? What did hebe at Tommy? Oh, that's because

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on his day he's a freak andeveryone puts his hand up and said he's
the first one in. He's alock, he's a freak. But he
played before game one, he playedone good game against Camba, who Camba
can be hot and cold. Youdon't really know what you're gonna get with
Camba. And yeah, he playeda good performance that put him in the

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side and he's played another good gameright before Origin to get him back there.
Apart from that, he hasn't beengreat. He really has not been
great family or family. So hedidn't really get the ball in Origin either,
did he No, didn't get muchof it, didn't get much a

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pill but he didn't show anything.So so Tommy is good when he chases
the ball, not when he sitson his he's left or right side or
he's the right side player as heso when he plays fullback he can pop
up anywhere. Now he hasn't beendoing has been him The effort is there,
but there's something, there's something missing. The effort is there. I

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don't deny any anyone. I'm notgoing to say nothing about effort, even
even Teddy. You know, thequestions of dropping him is ludicrous, ridiculous.
The effort is there, there's nodoubt about it. But something's not
right. I don't know what it'snot. But look, let's hope that
he gets around Superstars and something clicks, because we do need Tommy to fire

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both him and Latroll. And you'veseen you're seeing what happens when they do
for our Yeah. Yeah, Well, I always say that Latril is the
most damaging ball runner in the game. I believe Latrill is the most damaging
ball the beast. It annoys mewatching Latroll because I do believe. I
think he is the best talent we'veseen in the long time. But he's

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just lazy. And if he playedeighty minutes, pennif don't go back to
back, see us go back toback, see us, see us looking
at threp like, but they havea great team at the moment, Souse
like that seems crazy and he playstwenty minutes and you know, they get

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right back into it. You know, what In In the years I've been
watching rugby league, there's been manyplayers like that, um who pop up
fifteen twenty minutes and by the timethey're finished, the game's over. He's
put put the game away. NowI've seen I've seen Latroll put games away
in ten fifteen minutes. You cangauge, um, how how good the

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bunnies is going to go by Latrillsbuying or by Latrills moods. You know
what I mean. If he's inthe mood, you know the bunnies are
ride on, ride on track.You know what I mean. We just
gotta he's a he's a different he'sanother conversation walker, you know what.
We just got to accept that that'swho he is. You know what I

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mean? Should you be playing fullback? No? No, no, I'm
just saying that. Oh well,the other question is here, do you
put fullback for the house? Idon't know. Yeah, I'm just saying,
you're seeing what he does. He'she's an out and out center and

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own that and this talk that youcan't pay big bucks for a center.
I'll tell you if I'm making ateam and my center does more than my
fullback, my center is getting mymoney. It depends on what you do.
Kind of think that's just how yougot to manage it. It doesn't
matter where you play. I'm notsure if a fullback, a center,

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a locker. I just want himon the field. Yeah, I just
want him on the field. That'sa little bit about Queensland and I pick
your best seventeen and let him playlike Lindsay Collins. Shit, he was
going for the Roosters. They pickhim for Queensland and he does that pass
bro that pissed me off, thatmade me angry. Does that jump straight
over to Teddy that? Yeah,he would have told him all about that.

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Imagine the baking when they would havegone, when they got back to
Roosts trade that would have been fun. Guys, Damian Cook, what's your
thoughts? Well got injured So Iwas actually just going to bring that up.
I was actually going to bring thatup if not for Damion Cook,
who I think I think the conversationis Rysa Hobson. Yeah, jumping in

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at seventeen or fourteen wherever he's goingto play, I think you'll do a
good job. I think he's beenaround the camp and he's a bit like
that bit like a Ruben Cotter kindof thing, Bill that he can be
for us and if he can comeon and be impactful, because look,
we know Cookie can do the jobright. But great, great. The

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thing is, I think we alsoneed to play that too, hooker.
Um, we need to hookers liketo play in the seventeen. You know,
Queensland do it really good. Notnot to copy their formula, but
just because they do it good,doesn't mean we're going to do it good.
Not to copy the formula, butmore of to Junior Paulo Paynhaster the
big boys. Just it's too hard. It's a different breed origin to club

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footing. What what what? Whatdo you think? Um? What do
you think brads are thinking? Interms of the team he pick? What
type of soul do you think he'sgoing to play? Well? He went?
He went the first game with likebig big forwards, like a power
game mostly thing, and it didn'treally work. Like wait a minute,

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on the bench. We got Stephano, we've got Marie, we've got Martin,
we got Robson, so that's apretty big bench still. Yeah,
but I've there's more speed there,like more more mobile. Yeah, Okay,
it's a it's a mobile pack.Because what we've got, we've got
we got Junior, we got pain, we got Freeze, and we got

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ye Young and of course yeah's locking. So look, yeah, it's a
it's a mobile pack. So whatyou're thinking, you're thinking that you want
them to to move move around theQueensland forwards. Yeah, well there was
big, like we have like massiveplayers there, but they get tired so
easy and like Queensland's forwards a prettyagile. That surprised me, like um

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ruben Cotta and Tino. Yeah.Last my last question for New so fowls.
Uh should should Luluwai keep his jumper? Look, I'll start and say
I've back Lui for a while now, and you know, I'll take my

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pen with cap off kind of thing, saying that I always would have started
him because he deserved it, youknow. And I know we do talk
about pick and stick and where's theloyalty? We aren't winning, so there
is that argument to say, whyare we're picking and sticking on losses?
I get that, but Louis Ithought was one of our better players in

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game one and I don't think hedeserves to be dropped. But then again,
it is hard to play. There'sbeen a lot of talk about is
he was he a combination? Washe only there for clearly? Which is
I think very disrespectful. But Ithink that was going around not really because
if you think, if you thinkabout, they're going to they want to

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play the Penrith system. So soso the whole Penrith game revolves around Yo,
and clearly everything goes around through ornot through them. Okay, so
the minute you you got Yo,like in the scrum, you got Nathan

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at seven okay, and you've gotyou got an Appy at nine. Well,
it's just natural to have Jerome Jeromethere, you know, because they
tried to. There's no doubt inmy mind. I watched the last Origin
game four times, no doubt they'lltry to play the Penrith system, you
know what I mean. And Iwatched something I've I haven't told too many

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people. UM, Penrith is myfavorite team to watch, but last year,
the year before, UM, Iwatch all Pendrith games twice to see
and I enjoy watching them live actually, UM just to pick up subtletiers.
And I'm a doggy supporter, andI'll say it's everybody I'm the biggest Penri

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fan you can ever imagine. Um. So going back to the point is
they tried to play a pen ofsort of system, not completely. They
can't play completely system because they haven'tthey haven't got the other kid. Of
course, the other the other keysthe full bedwards. But I'm saying,
as the penestyle is not working,I thought we would consider starting Moee because

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Moe's a lot faster play the ballcompared to Yo. Would you agree on
that, Cameron Murray? Yeah,yeah, when he's like playing the ball,
getting to his feet, I thinkhe's a lot faster than you know,
does a bit of a different role. Yeah, he does. But
again I don't know, I don'tknow what the coach is thinking. So

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Yo, he can't change his sole. He's a he's a ball plane lock,
which is great, fantastic, Okay, so he's going to still be
a ball plane lock. Yeah youknow what I mean. Obviously Obviously Murray,
he can't play the middle. Ilike him on the edge a little
bit better, but he can't playthe middle. Yeah, he gets up
really quickly, plays the ball andthat's when Cooker Yeah claps the claps the

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middle gap. Yeah. Look justthink they're very interchangeable kind of thing.
Let's let's say it's interesting. Let'stouch on Queensland guys. I want,
I want your thoughts on Ruth Robson. Oh sorry, I'm sorry, Ruth
Walsh, Ruce Walsh. He's playedpretty good in game one. You know,
New South Wales. They thought they'regoing to bash him, like all

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weeked out saying bash him, andthat he stood up to that and props
to him. He's really good playerand for Queensland, I honestly think he
suits the fullback role there like betterthan Ponga because um, he's just like
if you put Ponga, Pong hasbeen there and done that, but he's

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a bit of a liability at themoment with his head knocks. Drew.
Yeah, yeah, I would haveto agree with um. I think the
plan was coming. Let's bash him. He's on debut, young fella kill
him. Still still relatively new inthe in the NL only um really finding
his feet this year, you though, Um, but he handled it really

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really well and just typical queens ain'tgot another another good one. Yeah,
the guys are electric every time hetouches the ball. There's something happening with
him. Or around him. Um, he's we haven't seen nowhere near his
best. He's only twenty, Ithink, um, and you can catch

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a lot of things, but youcan't catch speed. And you know what,
a lot of people who've got speedhave just got speed. But Reese
is a footballer. So I can'twait to see him grow because he's gonna
He's gonna give me a lot ofpleasure, Reese. Un can we touch
on on Ponga? We have touchedyou just touched it on him, But

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your thoughts on Ponger I would agreewith David. I think, um,
and this is where queens and aregood on. Yeah, they have loyalty,
but they are ruthless and when thegood teams are good, they're ruthless
in their decision making. Just quicklyto touch on dropping Gago being there one

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of the best for twenty two matchesin a row, just series. He
bleeds that my own jersey and justkills it every time. However, Pongo
was and would have been a liabilityand for head injuries as well. They've
took the safer route and look athe he came out and he put a

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performance on I would say against rhuesWaltz to say on um was that Thursday
night that game? Yea, andhe he said all that Jersey might not
be yours for too long. Idon't think you know. There was a
few big hits saying and you're you'reobviously of course you're talking about the Broncos
and Newcastle. He had he hadsomething on his mind. Um, I'll

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tell you. I'll tell something aboutabout Pongo and my thoughts on pot Well,
I've said a lot on quick Hands, but um, um, what's
your thoughts on Billy Slade? Isthe amount of character Billy Slade I'm talking
about now? Oh? I wouldthink so? Yeah. Do you think
that um gay guy and those oneswho didn't make the team, do you

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think he personally ran him? Iwould say he would have he did.
Yeah. Um do you know thata player this week or actually last week
made himself unavailable for the Queensland team. Yeah? And this certain player,

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he's a high profile player. Umdo you think that he should have ranked
Billy or do you think he shouldhave messaged him? How do you think
something like that should have happened?Because because I remember, Billy ran this
player to tell him that, notthat he's not in his plans, but
um, you know what I mean, because he didn't make the team originally.

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I think it's a very depending onwho the player is, and it
just if that younger generation. Sometimesthey don't they don't think as much or
something like that. So is themost he's the highest paid player in the
corp. Cherry Evans No, no, who what Cherryvans will be there?

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Yeah, I can't even think whoit is. Ponger gets one point four
five, so it's poets one pointone point four five. That's how much
he gets. Okay, and hehe DMed him and told him he's he's
not available. And that's what Imean. I don't when I when I
when I blast Ponga, I don'tblast him about his rugged leaguability. He's
outstanding, Like I question his character, that's all I question. And that's

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why Billy Slaver probably went with Walshgood character. I don't know for some
reason I old thought of at least, Yeah, I'm not available, that's
cool. I don't. I don'tcare if if he's available or not available.
I don't care if either his clubneeds him, although he's not right
mentally, that's cool. That's I'vegot no problem about that, but fucking
picked the phone up for fuck sake. Yeah, and I'll go back on

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that. I think that's just thatthat young mentalition, you know, you
know, you know also what Ithink. And we had another discussion about
this on on on the Queke Hands. Yeah, the minute, the minute
you play first grade rugby league.And I know we don't think of him
like this, but the minute youget five, six, seven, eight,

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nine, one million, in thiscase one point four five, you're
a professional and you should would dothings because you know what you know,
you know what I'd like to getfrom my fifty I'll like to get one
point four five. What they don'trealize is they think they're normal people.
Guess what they're not. They're notnormal people because they don't for what they

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do because half them can't read orwrite. Okay, so what they're doing,
for what they're doing and what they'regetting, and they don't we're not
wrong or just guess what youse are. Yeah, that's all I say about
that. I totally agree with that, as in, you ask any of
these football players when they were five, if you said you can play professional

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football, but you'll do it forfree, they all would have said yes
in a Harvey but now they're justyou know, we saw Ponger in his
latest contract. That was a kafuffle, went on and on and on the
circus. It was how much yearswas that Newcastle? It will be there

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for five four five views from onepoint four five? You reckon that's a
that's a pretty bad decision from Newcastle. But I wouldn't I wouldn't have signed
him. I would have signed him. Talking talking about they're talking about money.
Brooks says no to uh note ofthe Tigers feels insulted at at five
hundred thousand a season. What's yourthoughts? He spy didn't come in.

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Oh, look there may be afew teams after him. But ful Kingston
rovers mate. He does want togo to England. No, Notts Leeds.
Actually I think he'll go willing Leeds. I think he'll probably get Man
of Steel. But yeah, butanyone who's half decent he'll go over to
England. Jackson Hastings got Man ofstill there at the moment um. What's

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his name? He's leading the Manof Steel. It was a it was
a winger for Parramatta, A shortguy, skin guy, really quick.
What's his name now anyway, someonewho couldn't make first grade here and he's
leading the man of still at themoment in England. Yeah, I think
books he got paid on potential,and if I was the club, I

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would be a little bit annoyed beingas in your duo or something, he's
getting paid on potential. Broum.So that's a tough thing. But Tiger's
board was a mess and they shouldhave given him to the Nights when they
had the chance. He's playing,He's played, what's he played maybe four

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or five decent games so far thisyear? You know, last months has
been a cache. But that's whatI mean. It's been okay. You
know, no one's paying your you'renot paying your one hundred and eighty year
bare minimums for okay, Like it'sbeen good for him, but normal for
a half back, like a goodhalf back, your half back is supposed

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to be your leader, leader onthe troops. Yeah. Look, I'm
very hard on on halves because onsevens, especially because um, their job
is so hard. They've got they'vegot to control they imagine, you've got
to control the game. You've gotto understand what the other team's doing.

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You gotta understand what your team's doing. You got to. You got to
steal your team around. I mean, and you've got to. You've got
when your team's under pressure, you'vegot to try to get him back on
top. So by your hands,by your mouth, by your foot,
somehow, you've got to try to. Now, not many halves can do

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that, Okay, I'll tell youprobably maybe four or five halfs can do
that in NRL. UM. Soit's a very hard job. So they
deserve the big dollars. Now,now to the fairness with Brooks, it's
been a back end of deal.He's got a one point whatever million dollars
this year. It's a back endof deal. But look, he thinks

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he's worth more. He's obviously forhim to say no to the Tigers,
he's obviously got a deal somewhere elsefor more than five hundred thousand. Um.
I'm not sure if i'd pay morethan five hundred thousand for Brooks here,
But there you go. Dolphins.Maybe no, No, let me
tell you the Dolphins underneath. They'vegot so much coming through. They seriously

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go and look at their SG ballor their their flag team, not the
registering, go watch their youngsters they'vegot so much coming through. Just wait
for three years and watching all tricklesthrough. We don't even have to wait,
Like just the sprinkle on top rightnow with like everyone was picking them
dead last, dead last, deadlast and then look, I think they

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may fade away. Here us happenednow success. I think you know your
sprinkle a bit of those Panos boysthat even if they weren't playing, they
were in that system of just winwin win with you know Wayne Bennett sprinkled
us on the top. Yeah,I look, I agree, I agree.

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Guys in a good position there theygot, Like I said, they've
got so much coming through. Theyliterally just need like one good player,
like one solid half or spine memberwho knows what to do, you know
what I mean. Look, abit of a bit of depth wouldn't would
help, definitely, that's what theyhaven't gone yet. But um, you

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know, yeah, they're depths,these Nicoimo and yeah it's fringe fringe players.
Yeah, but they'll get them becausethe kids will come up and then
they'll be uh, then they'll beThey missed out on heaps of players though
Ponga rejected them. What one superstar, that's what they want on hurrickon.
They've got their superstars there. Ireckon, they're they're the superstars work.

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I was going to say they couldn'tfind that big, big one, and
then they got Hamma, and Hammahas been season. You know he's good,
being real good. Yeah, he'sgood, he's good. Fins up,
fins up, all right, Yeah, absolutely, Drew fins up.
Um, what's happening at what's happening? What's happening at the Rousters? What's

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happening? Dave? What's what's what'shappening? Why? What's happening? All
right? What's happened? You knowwhat? Actually, if you look at
our signings for the past couple ofyears, we have signed fringe reserve players.
Mate this core Corey Allen. Look, I don't like to hack any
of my players. I like allmy players, but we've got Corey Allen,

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Jackson, Paulo, Jake Turpin,like, these are players that I
don't think the Roosters would sign,Like just making decisions that the roosters don't
normally do, like spencerly Knew.I'm I'm happy about that, obviously,
very happy about that about that signing, But um, just signing odd players

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and I don't think that Trent Robinson, I don't. I don't think it's
his fault. People were asking him. I don't think it's Trent Robinson's fault.
I think that the spine hasn't workedout like it's they thought it would,
and they don't know how to fixit at the moment with Brandon Smith
with Turpin and our Brandon Smith's injuredfor how long nine weeks or something.
Yeah, I just I think they'vemade They've made some big mistakes. They've

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They've brought in Blendon Smith and he'snot what they were after. He's not
a hooker. He's like, he'llplay hooker, but he's not a hooker.
He's um as, he's not fitenough, his board delivery is weak
as he's questionable. He's a ashe would call you know, the cheese

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where it's just that big ball andhe'll run down the hill kind of thing.
And and then having Walker and havingto having to drop Walker. They
probably didn't want to que with hishead knocks has heard him. But then
you can go back. And Ipersonally think Trent Robson is overrated. I

(31:42):
don't think I do not right Robsonbig take he's how many rings as you
got the Dave three? We canwe can talk about soccer and the same
thing to me and city. Rightwhen you don't have juniors, you shouldn't
really be talking no juniors. Where'sthe juniors? Where's the junior clubs?

(32:06):
We've got up switched jets as wellnow yeah, because they're popping them out
of there like oh, there's there'snothing, there's nothing, there's no there's
one team which plays in in theCanterbury camp and the South Sydney camp even
is say thin Now they're playing theCanterbury comp Apparently he bought Clunk. Clunk

(32:27):
got him a premiership. Yeah,there's that one um Sunny built twenty thirteen
if you're going, if you wantto be like that fit for two thousand
and two. But it's not justone player, right, we buy one
key, one key, one pieceand the rest of the players. If
you look at that Cronk premiership,we've had Cordiner friend Kirie, Um,

(32:51):
you know we've had all these playersaround there for a while. The core
group those players you mentioned who retiredobviously all have left or yeah has happened.
What's the key? The key tothose players, what walls, their
big strength, what was that bigstrained? Were? They were leaders?
You know, they were really goodplayers, like do shit for you?

(33:13):
Yeah, and now good people.I think Tren Robinson is struggling to find
that and you can see them inthe signings like no, like I don't
like to bake my players, andsaid it twice, but Matt Lodge mate,
like, look, I've got nothingagainst him, but why would we
sign Matt Lodge? And he wasterrible on the weekend, just threw the
ball at you guys, basically like, yeah, he's I questioned. I
questioned the signing. But look hewent good at earlier, but I don't

(33:35):
know what happened this year. Look, you know what, I've got him
minus ninety in fore and against.I've never seen that in my life in
the Rooster's team. And I'll saythis, yeah, how different. I'll
say this. It's the worst inthe whole the worst in the whole comp
signing. It's disgusting. Even Tigersare minus fifty nine, Dragons a minus

(33:58):
sixty one, Bulldogs and minus one, the Cowboys minus sixty five, Rooster's
minus nine. The Roosters are minusninety. What have you ever seen that.
That's well, not in roosters.That makes me sick. So you
know what, I saw him onSaturday and I don't know, I don't

(34:19):
know what. I don't know how. But I turned around to a friend
and said, the trouble in Paradise. I used to watch the Roosters,
true, And you know I usedto watch the Roosters and I'll be like,
all right, like I would expecta win, Like I'll be like,
yeah, we're gonna win, easy, forty points whatever, we'll win.
Like obviously it's different, but Iwas like, we'll win right on
that Bulldog's game. We won,but I'm like, we made it look

(34:43):
like we were versing Melbourne in astorm. That game didn't feel like a
win. If we didn't feel likea win, That's exactly showed you who
Canada we are? What what what? What Roosters should have done? Well,
I don't I don't know what we'redoing. Kry. It's good to
see Kirry running though, like hehas curisation playing wah he is He's playing

(35:06):
pretty good, like good running games. Um, but you know, no
one really good around him at themoment. It's a bit of a bit
of a mass, isn't it.Isn't it funny that the the cattle they've
got all on paper, You gowow. Yeah, And then for what
they do on the field is like, what the is do we think Joey's
struggling? Joey min at six?Yeah, he was unsided on on on

(35:31):
on Saturday and right he was unsided. You know what, I didn't know
he was playing until he came closeto me. He turned around, I
saw six on his back. Agothat's man. Yeah, he was unsided.
That's how he if he wasn't forthat little cafussal at the end of
the game. Okay, that's that'sRuse's highlight. Yeah, do you reckon

(35:52):
there's something more with the Walker situation? Like do you think it's just the
coach dropping him? Do you reckonthere's something personal? They're not personal,
but like something another agenda. Yeah, because he's been drop I thought it
was just gonna be like one ortwo weeks. It's been almost weeks.
I think as well. Of thegood coaches, you've seen it before when
they have young players, they willdrop them. So they don't You see

(36:15):
Ricky Stewart do it d with Savageand whatnot, you know, so they
can sustain longer careers. But Ithought what they were hoping is drop him
a few times last year and thenthis year he could have his full year
and it hadn't has not worked outyet. His first year he had like
a breakout year when he kicked liketwo field goals in our own and then

(36:35):
everyone's like, this guy's crazy,and then we dropped him. Yeah,
but the first year is different becauseno one knows him and now now there's
expectation. Well not on me thatI mean, he's on the tip sheet,
so they do a lot of videoon him. So you don't most
people don't understand how much work goesbehind the closed doors in terms of fitness,

(37:00):
in terms in terms of video work, um, in terms of of
of slight little differences, you knowwhat I mean? You know what you
know how they spot players up.I mean when I say spot players up,
like look at what they did thePanguy. That was a spot because

(37:22):
they had done video on Panguay duringthe week, okay, and they ripped
in in three times. Yeah,some players you can just go out there
and just pick them, like likeSpencilnia for example, har Graves like they
just go out and like, ifwe, you know, push this guy
enough, he'll get pissed. Ithink I think that just happened. That
was good. Yeah, I saidto my old man, because my old

(37:47):
man's a big Tigers fans, sohe just loves footy. And I was
saying, wouldn't you love to bethere for their preseason boxing session with Hargraves
next year? And you but quicklywhen we're onto our new players and they
come in, how about that JohanBuller. Oh, he's he's literally look

(38:08):
good looking, good for Tigers,looks good and they should be able to
keep him. Yeah, yeah,for sure, young, a young guy.
And it amazes me how some kidsjust come into first grade and just
look like the first graders grab itwith two hands. Yeah. Look,
he's slight, he's not a verybig boy, but he doesn't look over
overall. And and and you knowwhat the best is you have to come

(38:30):
how old is he? Twenty?He could he be? He can't be
there? Well, he's bigger thanDane Lowie and now Dane Lowie is just
nowhere to be seen. Kind ofthing doesn't funny. Struggling isn't funny,
you know, what I honestly believethe Tigers, um is just it's just

(38:52):
as good positions as Penriff in termsof youngsters coming through now if they utilize
them more or if they can bringhim through to the different things. The
knack of Penrith is not they've gotso much, Yes, they've got so
much, but their ability to takethem from SG ball or Jersey Flegg to
first grader first graders, I've neverseen my life now, Um, Tigers

(39:15):
haven't got that ability or I haven'tseen it to take them from ball to
first grade. It's a big jump, you know what I mean. So
I hope, I hope. Ihope they can do it because I hate
seeing Tigers being bashed up. Ireally it's just getting sad now. I
mean a year or two, butyeah, it's been like ten years.
Mate, kick a dying horse.Yeah, you know what I mean.

(39:37):
Tell me about three to sixty.I know you blokes have got a bit
of a bit of a gripe togrind with three sixty. M with you
all the way on this one.Yeah. I think it's me and David
we we absolutely love twy six mate, So we go out with the boys
and it's just me and David talkingabout twenty sixty. We just love it.

(40:00):
And but ever since all these Kentydrama and the first thing about the
kny drama that it really annoys meas no one talked about it. Yeah,
they just if if if that wasa footy player. It was the
big talking point for the whole twentyminutes at least. But you know,

(40:21):
as Keny is a bit didn't heara lot on the media for a while
and then heard a bit, butthey didn't even say what happened. They're
just like, oh, he can'tbe he'd to personal issues and that was
it. They just literally moved on, Yeah, you know, sweeping under
the very And I get that weyou have to bring in the next next
person up or whatever. But withGordy, I personally like the best thing

(40:49):
about Kenty I thought was that heplayed two games. He wasn't really a
player, so he had that personaland person aspect of like a fan kind
of thing. That's what I thought. And just just I don't know what
it's something about him or just whatwas his show? It was his show.

(41:10):
He's good for the show, exactlywhat he carried that show, Like
they had Ken and then they gotyeah, losing Ken, and then Anasta's
done his job. I think Ithink he's and that has been pretty good.
Yeah, like done what he hadto do. Um, and then
losing Kenty hurts and you know,and then then we get to see Buzz

(41:30):
for half an Now that's what I'verealized before Kent, before Kenty left,
they had a lot of just Braithand Kenty, But now that it's Kenty
and Talis Oh sorry, um,Anasta and Talus. They always have someone
else there, almost like like athird person always, whether it's Buzz or
that the other Greek guy. Um, there's always carry on us. Yeah,

(41:53):
and I love it, Like Ilike those people. They're pretty pretty
good for the show. Yeah,And I just think that that first part
is so good, and it wasreal good with Kenthy, like you're saying
before that, you're saying the ratingsjust dropped the absolutely Yes, the problem

(42:15):
is this. Now let's say hegets off the charge and let's say they
bring him back. Um, youknow, he's he's an opinion piece columnist
like um, the others going fine, facts, he's more he writes opinions.
Um, it's going to be prettyhard. If something happens to a
player, it would hinder him,he didn't his girls or whatever whatever,

(42:37):
it's going to be pretty hard tobe. Everybody will be calling him a
hypocrite. So that's gonna it's gonnastick around, even if even if it
didn't happen, and you know whathe's got over his day in court and
who knows what happened. I mean, these people get chased, Yeah,
they get you know, the poorsome U League players, uh, you
know, really get targeted. Sothat's this disappointing. But um, he's

(43:00):
gonna it's gonna be health for him. I think it's gonna be health for
him. Yeah, it will behard. Um, look, I just
you know, I would love tosee him back because I think he makes
that show, especially losing I canyou know. And then some of the
days when I'm talking to the footyboys, we've eminisced about when Wallen Smith

(43:22):
was on it. Yeah those werethe days. So yeah, told me,
um, what's your thoughts on anARLW I like, I'm gonna be
honest at the start, Mike,Look, they're probably just doing it for
equality stuff, but actually it's actuallypretty entertaining. I'm not gonna lie.

(43:46):
It's actually pretty good. I actuallylike it. Obviously the roosters Isabel Kelly
shout out, but it's actually mad. I like it's fun. It's fun
game Drew. Yeah, so I, um, I really enjoy it.
I um so, I'm I'm anAFL base like I love my footy,

(44:07):
but I started playing AFL and theAFL Women's is just not as good like
the Lugby League have done. Lugblingwomen's have done it so good. I
think, Um, I think maybestarting with so little teams and just building
their way slowly, building their wayslowly, not doing too many games.

(44:30):
Um, they've really worked well,like you know, yes, everyone wants
to Oh it's not the same asdemands will obviously it's different, you know.
But um even I watched the Stateof Origin, the women's State of
Origin, and I so I foundout that they collab their points like over

(44:52):
the two games. Yeah, becauseof the differentials, because there's only two
games. I said, okay,yeah, it's it's but it's different.
When I was played the third game, a little bit of maybe I think
they will do the third game,but like it's eyecatching for now, it's
something different and I'm not opposed toit, you know, because you've got

(45:13):
to do those things to get bieballsthere. Yeah, I'm I'm a fan.
I really liked the game. Um, I think it's refreshing that don't
wrestle. Number one. The gameflows. Some of the hits, my
god, some of the hits.And they're starting to bring back They're starting
to bring in rugby league, rugbyleague players. So a lot of the

(45:37):
girls were in their ballers like aspletes, turned into rugby league players. But
now they're starting to watch, startingto trickle through now his actual rugby league
players. So it's look, it'sjust going to grow and grow and grow
and grow. It's more rugby leaguewe can watch, and it's good.
Number one and number two we talkedabout the third game. Do you know

(45:58):
the last week do you know therate the ratings for the men the Origin
one? Do you know how muchit was made? A four point two
million? Okay, and they saythat it's going to be more of this
one and it's going to probably bethe biggest show of the year. That's
why they can get so much moneyfor it. Okay, do you know

(46:20):
how much the girls get Let's sayif they played a club game. Do
you know how much how much viewsthe girls get usually probably like two hundred
Oh nah no, not clearly.Yeah, they get a better they get
they get better. They get abouta couple of hundred, like one hundred
and twenty, you know what Imean? Not much. Okay, a
league gets less like a league it'slike fifty whatever they got. Um,

(46:47):
they got seven hundred thousand for theOrigin Yeah wow Origin. So um,
there will be a third one andnow that now that it's UM on channel
and nine every games on Channel andone are you wait till you see starts
Yeah, starts building up. Yeah, they play some good rug league.
Yeah, they do stuff. It'sreally good. Good to see. You

(47:09):
know. One thing actually with thegirls thing is that pene of team.
Where's that PENI girls team? Disappointing? Yeah yeah, I hope so disappointing.
Well, they're bringing in some newteams, aren't they bring the ten
teams now? Yeah, North Queen'sLands in, the Tigers are in,
Um, the Risks are past thebest team. Yeah. Yeah, gonna

(47:30):
say the Panthers needed one needed agirls team in last year then they could
have won or five competitions well howabout we are we give we run through
all the teams and we give thema B C or D give them.
See what you guys think. Okay, let's let's start from the bottom.

(47:51):
The Dragons. What's your thoughts,Drew? They've improved for Dragons. Man,
they beat the US once they gottheir new coach, but then be
you guys last week once once theygot their new coach, and you must

(48:13):
see it's just they might be good. Okay, look they can maybe a
low se they're they're disappointing, butthen they do have enough players to to
get them going. You know,they got Hunt and Hunt is you know

(48:34):
the man Hunt can kill you.But you've seen he played that three hundredth
game and it was just Paul fromthe club that was an I that game.
Yeah him d D for Dragons.Yeah, well, like it's classic
Dragons like shit, like throughout thewhole year. Like maybe the start,

(48:57):
they're all right, like a fewgames good, but yeah, they look
like they look honestly, when you'rewatching, they look like they don't train
together, they look like they don'tplay together. They it looks like every
man's out for themselves at that club. Um and the coaching stuff that's in
its own faster. And another thingwith the Saint George Dragons just quickly.
I don't know if it's a problem, but it's kind of there. It's

(49:21):
kind of like the West Tigers thing, Like you've got one side that's Saint
George and the other side that's Illawara. Is that always going to be a
problem for them? That's a bigproblem because like one board doesn't agree with
the other, and like you can'thave that at the club. You've got
to be all cohesion, cohesion,you know. I'll tell you a club
that loses their major sponsor, SaintGeorge Bank. Yeah, George Dragons after

(49:46):
I don't know how many years longerthan my life, and like that says
it all. Yeah. Um,look they have they have, They have
improved since Hook left. Thank godHook left. I all got fired.
Um you know what, I actuallythink they're on paper, they're not a

(50:07):
bad team. I think some ofsome of the youngsters will come, good
solid youngsters. Slow Sloan's amazing,Sloan, i'moni, yeah, some good
players. Sullivan, Yeah, he'sgood. You know what, next year
they're gonna get Flanner. But looksof it. Yeah, who knows what's
gonna happen now. I think itwas announced today. I think I think
was announced and they needed that.Yeah, then they did that. Good,

(50:30):
so they know they can sign someplayers. I think Flann might turn
them around. I'm not saying they'regoing to make the aid, but Flann
might turn them around. But yeah, look, I say do as well.
I say do as well. Tigers. Recently, I enjoy watching the
Tigers. I'm there. Yeah,yeah, as as my old man's a

(50:52):
big fan. He just says theydo the dumbest things. And they do.
They'll score and they'll drop off thekickoff and that's the Tigers for you.
But um, you know, withthey'll really hurt now that Appy's gone
down. But um bull Buller's exciting, you know, give him a They

(51:13):
started d they're traveling to that cyou know. I think I think they're
going all what they're going all youknow, books he's finding he did just
injure himself. Did he did getinjured? Books? He's yeah, injured.
Yeah, he went on. Hewent off for the last game.
So I don't know how I thinkit was an hiaka but um okay,

(51:35):
yeah, David, Yeah, Soyou get give him a C or D.
I think D, but they're onthere. Yeah, Like I was
going to say D initially, andlook, everyone's got sympathy for him,
but now I'm not gonna have sympathyfor him in this statement as like they've

(51:57):
been like this isn't new. Theydidn't just lose great players like Kronk and
then that they sign a new halfbacklike they've been like this for ten years,
like they they've had enough time tosolve everything, like and the club
just doesn't want to or doesn't knowhow to. And you can see it
in the Tigers Tails from Tigertown inthat little episode that the Tigers had,

(52:19):
Like what club would let an episodelike that, Like imagine the Roosters doing
that. They wouldn't let that happenexactly. But they're just like, oh,
you know, we don't care aboutwhat people see and that and it's
not bad that people see it.It's just that Boord board needs to Pasco
May. Yeah, look, isn'tit Isn't it funny that, um,

(52:39):
the two teams that are coming secondlast and second last, the two much
dysfunctional boards. Um sure if theyare on the rise. Starts at the
top. Right. Yeah, they'restarting to play um machines ball as I
call it. So I hope,I hope they're they're in. I hope

(53:00):
they improved. What's gonna happened withthe coaching there? Another year for machines
and then they swap over to BenjieBenji. Yeah. Um, but you
know what I've heard out of theclub is that, um, the board
is sick and tired of Machines.He having so much power the um the

(53:21):
what's that selected they brought over fromManley? Um, that guy what was
his name? I can't remember thelegend that Yeah, Yeah, that was
a power player from Pandelus whatever hisname is. Okay, so they're trying
to put him in him in hisplace. The Brooks thing, Okay,

(53:43):
the board wanted to get rid ofhim, um Benji and Brooks he went
and stood up for him. Andthat's the that's the m and that's the
amy reason that he got off ofthe contract. And that's that's why Brooks
just said I haven't had enough.Of course, don't forget how many times
they've tried to shop him around.Yeah, but then the thing is you
look back at the board and yousigned Sheens, You signed Sheens. Change

(54:08):
Scheans is a big dog. Youbring him to the club, and he's
going to be a big dog.He's gonna make moves, he's gonna he's
gonna do things that you might notlike you brought him to the club.
Yeah, but he's done positive thingsfor that club, more polity than most
of these. Yeah, he has. But that's the board needs to go.

(54:29):
I agree. I agree, Wellwhat are we giving? What are
we giving the Tigers? You said, you said see D and I agree,
I don't. I don't see itthis year. But hopefully you used
to calm But at the moment,what I see if I would be now
D number fifteen. Of course,the Bulldogs drew a bit of a soft

(54:54):
spot because they're half the Panthers.Um, but I think everyone thought that
they were going to be well like, oh they'll they'll go great, they'll
be in that eight and no.I always thought they would try like thirteen
to twelve, maybe even fifteen,just roll around there. So they're just

(55:16):
we are I expected. So youcan look at it as in there going
good or not. They're just youthink they've improved his last year a little
bit, yes, but they'll they'llhave some little bit like bad games like
last night, Bro, yesterday wasa woeful woeful Burton, Like Burton plays

(55:37):
good, but yeah, Burton can'tdo him by himself. Understand that.
So like a see you're an easyyou're a good marker from my teacher at
school. I was going to givea massive D bro wait wait to be
the better clubs, and massive Dto the Bulldogs. And the fact as

(55:59):
well that is this the coach's firstor second year there, first first year
there. Obviously it's not going tobe fixed in the first year. But
it's not like he's by himself thathe's got Gus right, And you say,
oh, you know Gus is justin the background. No, no,
Gus, Gus controls it. Gusdoes control that and it all falls

(56:19):
back on him, to be honest, but he gets away with it anyway.
But I just think quickly about Gas. I think everyone will say that
Gus, you know five year planat Penn a five year plan. No,
it was a ten year plan,mate, but you've nearly took us
to a three p bit of adynasty the work that he did. So

(56:40):
yeah, to say that Dogs fansbe patient because you can. I think
you can really see the award.Deemi different stories that the pathways were set
up in your back guard. Thereis no pathways for us. We have
no youngsters, we have nows,nothing like no one's God. At least
you had some hope, some ofthe light at the end of the time,

(57:00):
there wasn't. But I can seethe light. Yeah coming, David.
What do you give him, dd Yeah, my thoughts, um,
you know what, there was alot of talk about this new coach.
Um, I've seen nothing. Justbecause he's from the Panther system.
I've seen nothing. Last year wedubbed him mister Popular because everybody wanted him.

(57:23):
I think all the other clubs dodgedthe bullet. I've seen nothing,
seen nothing. But I think Ithink, you know, just because he's
at Penworth. I think later bitlater when we get to the Warriors.
Webster, I was going to Iwas gonna say his cohort last year,
okay, as we called him aswe called him Webster who yeah, now

(57:43):
Webster who we all know who Websteris now? Okay, because he's done
an amazing job and it's all Webster. But anyway, we'll get that.
Yeah, we'll talk about that.I think i'd give him a knee.
The Bulldogs, I've seen nothing.Um, I think they won't improve.
I think he and his contract,I think he'll get sacked in a year.

(58:04):
How much is it contract? Yeah, And i'd like to see Gus
deal. I'd love to see Gusfucking off as well. I don't see
I don't see any any good inhim as well. Cowboys. The Cowboys,
I'm going to give a solid Cplus because obviously last year they were
mine sixty five. Hang on,say, because last year they came second,

(58:28):
so they're obviously going way shitter.But um, actually sorry, Yeah,
probably a D. Last year theycame second. This year they're coming
second last last. Like I thinkit's second year syndrome. That's what it
is, second years syndrome. Allthose youngsters had a great year last year,
you know, all its all fun, footballs, all fun, all

(58:50):
fun. And then you know secondyear comes and it's the same ship.
And I feel like they're not they'rekind of already tired of it, Like
they're they're not putting in effort onthe field. Also, the youngsters they've
already just slapped off. Yeah,like man and I they had so many
great like players last year that's justnot leaving up to this year. Yeah.

(59:15):
Look yeah, not too much ofan easy market here. I'm giving
them a minute. E. I'mnot not happy with the Cowboys, But
now that I say that, I'llkeep them this week because I bet you
I'll just given them an A andill hump whoever they're playing. But just
yeah, I don't know. Maybeit's a bit of a second year syndrome

(59:37):
and they too long year on theWorld Cup and a field their players playing
World Cup and things like that,and you know they've gotten and I back
and then I played good last weekand they played Melbourne and always tough to
beat Melbourne. But to be fair, Melbourne I'm the Melbourne of late.
Um. But yeah, just not, they're just not not you know,

(01:00:01):
not chilling a long kind of thing. So yeah, I'm with you guys.
I'll give him, I'll give hima D. But I actually think
when everybody gets on deck and Tamilolais very soon to come back, I
think they will make the eight andanything can happen from there. Um.

(01:00:22):
But there's something missing, there's somethingwrong. Yeah, But I've seen enough
glimpses. Mind you Tigers dusted themfifty nil or whatever it was. But
I've seen enough glimpses to say that, um there's something there. Nights,
yeah, nights, nights a dnights I wish. Yeah, Well,

(01:00:44):
tong is overweighted, long is awaste, and they're just they're just really
struggling, you know, like Icouldn't name their team. They're just really
a bit of a flat line.Yeah, okay, Well I was talking
about the Roosters before and how wesigned players not really for our culture,

(01:01:06):
like just you know what I mean. It's not the kind of similar at
the Knights, like you had BradmanBest get his sleeve done at Bali after
his teams in the floor. LookNothing wrong in that, nothing wrong at
that, But it is also showingyour fans that you may not care the
club exactly. And Dominick Young ashining light of theirs they let go to

(01:01:28):
the Roosters, like he's been amazingthis year. Dominique Young, of course
he wanted to go. Who wantsto stay there? But I'm looking at
him at the World Cup. Butyou think the Knights bro oh amazing at
the World Cup. You think theKnights. They should be like almost kind
of like a like a power club, like they've got Newcastle. The it's
like one club, one team.Everyone should be behind that club, you

(01:01:52):
know, lifting him up. They'vegot all of win on, they've got
all of the hunter there, youknow, like you think would be a
bit of a four. Exactly,it'll be. It'll be like going to
Melbourne. But it's not. It'snot. It's definitely I agree, but
I'll spin it another way. Yougive him a D. Yeah, d
um. I think I think there'senough cattle there. I think there's a

(01:02:15):
there's a coaching issue. He's beenthere for four or five years and he's
from the Roosters. It doesn't seemto get get the best out of them.
Next year, they've got a wholebunch of Englishmen coming through, and
one of them, guy Piece Paul, is actually half decent. Let's see
how he goes here. I givehim a I'll give him a D as
well. And Pongare is overrated comingtwelfth the Roosters. The Roosters coming twelve

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minus minus ninety. That's sickening.I love saying that minus ninety. Okay,
I've never saw it before. Look, I've already had my yap about
the roosters and an, so justquickly I am going to give them.
I'm going to take my heart outof it, all right, This isn't
personal, So I give them anif I was personal, But I'm not
personal. I'm going to give thema D. A D. And there's

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always high expectations for the roosters,and you're not always going to live up
to the expectations every year. Youknow, it's just not It's not a
perfect world. And there is majorproblems unfortunately there with the roster. I
think, not so much the coach, more so the roster. And yeah,

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I don't know, just sad aboutit. I can hear your voice.
You're a bit perplexed. Yeah,look, older, i'd probably give
them a D. They're not like, Look, you can honestly give them
whatever you gave whoever's come on last, because they're not much better than the
same defensive claim of the columb Wow, and that's one thing they pride themselves

(01:03:52):
on. Supposedly, Trent Robinson's fortegTeddy's not the same. But again,
and there's not one person in ateam and um, yeah, honestly,
you can't say much and we can'teven be like, oh injuries or suspensions,
but we've only got like three playersinjured exactly. Watson the Radley,

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Yeah, he's got issues too.We've all got they've all got issues.
I don't know what's happened to Radley. Radley was so close to being like
with a Yo in Origin and no, but he was like in the chat,
in the chat about it to bein New South Wales and then what
happened. I think Radley's just likeprobably never ever going to be this isn't

(01:04:39):
ever going to be my position.So he's just like I'll just go to
England, you know what I mean, Like I think that's yeah. Yeah,
but he's just nuts mate. Hecouldn't put him in there, it'd
be a liability send him in thereand then first hit up. Yeah they
for you as well. Yeah yeah, look, I don't know what's happen

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there. On paper they look formidable, um, but when they run on
they disappoint all of us all thetime. I'll give them a day as
well, um in but in bracketsum. As a friend of mine said,
we trust in robots, so Idon't mind if they're not doing too
good though everybody. Everybody doesn't mindthat. Yeah, guys, the Dolphins

(01:05:30):
R A and above. I loveit. I love it. You can't.
I don't think you can give themanything else. What more can they
do? Yeah, well more canthey do? Minus forty seven? That's
not bad. I'm misty seven,that's not bad. I think that's coming.
You know, in the last fewgames. I think they got fifty
Niel like, yeah, yeah,yeah, they probably be a B you

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know, B B because new club. I think they've gone all right.
Yeah, Look, I think fortheir first year, whatever happens now,
even if they win one game,I think they've They've been sensational for a
new club. I think super coachis amazing and and he cemented his plays
as as a super coach. Um, it's been like five or six games.

(01:06:21):
Yeah, they were going to comeup like players like Tommy Tom Gilbert
like he was he at Cowboys beforeDolphins, like you never really heard of
him, to be honest, andnow at the Dolphins. Mate, he's
in Queensland as well. It's likecarrying Dolphins. Let's doing so well for
him. I'll give I'll give hima B. I'll give him a bee,

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probably a B plus. But look, you know what, I don't
care what happens from now and none. Um for me, they've they've they've
done, They've done what they hadto do. Ten the Titans guys,
oh drew something anything time probably Youknow what I was a I was a
big fan of Tenor Boyd and Ithought, you know what, maybe he

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could he have glimpses? He doesit? Does it? Glimpses is a
great word for Tenor Boyd does somereally good things and then disappear. Having
Q and four in there, Ithink they're at at a low sea.
You know, it looked generous.I think the comp is so close that

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they're not that bad. But sixteenpoints and what are they like? Ten?
Yeah, the one game or onepoint exactly saying that Rusters got sixteen
the only one point else of theeight as well minus money. But the
Rusters aren't the Titans. You knowwhat the d s C the Titans Yeah,

(01:07:53):
C plus C plus. Yeah.You know what I can see?
I can see so much in them. They're a taking structures. Their formations
most of the times are good.Um. And if they learned how to
tackle, seriously, if they learnedto the tackle now I'm going to suggest
to you it's a it's a coachingthing number one. Um, But the

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coach is not going anywhere because theowners of the club love him. So
he's not going anywhere from England.The whole brook is not going anywhere because
the owners of the club they lovehim. They're like the only team as
well. They said, they saidthat they're going to give him all the
time he needs. Well, it'sbeen five years. Well Gordy says that

(01:08:36):
because Gordy's an ambassador or something,and every night on thirty sixty he's like,
doesn't want to talk about him whenthey never talk about the Titans.
But I thought they just never talkabout the Titans because nobody cares about him,
maybe because Gordy's there. Also,do you remember that, like,
um, in this year the Titanslost four games in a row or something
by twenty six, Like they scoredtwenty six points four games in a row

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and they lost count Get over that. It was random second half. Yeah,
the second half fade outs for theGold Coast. That's their problem.
If they get it right, they'rea damn good team. I'll give him
a c they got pointing them.That's the thing. It was only last
year or the year before. Ifthey had to pass that out, they
would have beat the Woosters and theyand they were into the twenty. Yeah,

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and you know what fifty game thatone was. Yeah, it wasn't
domination. Uh number nine guys theheels, David the Heels. Um.
Obviously, if you're going off lastyear, I'm going to give them a

(01:09:39):
D. But fresh year, I'llgive them a C. As in obviously
they've lost money. Papa, likea few key few keys are stone raised
stones amazing. Unfortunately he got injuredfor the Dolphins and that. But um,
yeah, like Paramount are very disappointingto be even though they got that

(01:10:00):
big win against Bulldogs, they havebeen looked they're kind of coming back,
like they're kind of coming back now, but just from round one to round
now that they've been pretty disappointing,like just as a whole club. And
now you've got that Dylan Brown scenario. Bro, Yeah, I think that
Dylan Brown is going to hinder them. But they do have a that does

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now they whoever played five eight lastnight? He's looking all right, young
fella. Um, but I thinkJermaine Hopgood has been excellent in the early
early rounds. Given the sea,I think they've again like they're at nine
or eight or and they're just aboutthey can It's typical part of matter to

(01:10:45):
be hot and cold. You don'tknow what you're gonna get sometimes. But
um, you know we saw Moseshe is playing some good footy, him
and gusso getting together. It's excitingwhen they're on. It is very exciting.
Are playing at Bank West as well, Like, yeah, that's hard
to play there, you know,get that CVO chant going. It's elect

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true. I think um, lookfor a team that lost basically mastered their
pack. A few injuries and wetalked about the brown issue. Um,
and their drawer has been horrendous.The draw has been horrendous. And you
find you find them at at sixteenpoints one one point outside of the eight
with plus forty seventy four, whichis the third best in the camp.

(01:11:34):
It's not bad. Actually. Thenthey start off the year like against Panthers
Storm Rooster like that's a verse.Yeah, and plus remember they ran on
with the completely brand new background.Yeah, and you Anne and which which
for me, he should go backto Reggie's I think hands Hands is much

(01:11:57):
better than that's my opinion. Whatdo you think of the King on the
King's Birthday the other day? HatrickHatrick in the first half, was it
yeah good, Yeah, I'll givehim. I'll give him a CE just
because they were in the Grand Final, but I expect him to make the
eight. You're a seaman and you'rea c as well. Yeah, now

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we're entering the eight Sea Eagles.Um, I'm not laking the Eagles.
I think they're very I think thecomp is so bad that makes them look
good, makes them look light likebad. It is a bad comp this
year. It is what what likeas in points wise, like just every

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team's kind of like wins one,losers next losers next wins one. Yes,
tired. There's not like a clearcut no there is anything you like
from him. I like lubin,I like yeah, I think he's a
superstar and um yeah, I don'tlike Sea Bowl and a fan of Sea

(01:13:02):
Bowl professor, So I think that'swhy I don't like him to go too
good but too much like me,Dave, He's too much like me.
He hates everything you hate me.I don't like Sea Bowled either, But
I'm going to give him a properSo he's doing not bad there, like
not bad at a new club there, you know, but it's a one
club team. I guess. Youknow Jake Trevoibdge isn't injured. Yeah,

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yeah, he's a big player there. But you know, again I said,
I think. I thought it's eithergoing to be mainly or the Woosters
if they could get on one tomake that eight spot and you need Turbot
or Teddy, one of them tostand up. And after what I saw

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looks like Turbot, So that thatwas my prediction. I don't know if
it changes. They're at like ahad a sea. You're the eight.
You can't get anything less? Canyou really? Are they eighth or ninth?
What are they? Yeah? Whatdo you think? Yeah? Look

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I don't, I don't. Idon't. Look they're better when they play
Brookie um and I did like CherryEvans um, but I don't think Torbo
is the same player. Um.I do like Jake, Jake's or heart.
Who's their six? I do notlike their six? Who is it?
I hate their six? Do youhate him at six? Yeah?

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So if he's playing second or youdon't mind? I told you what I
told what I don't like he whenhe signed his new contract, he put
it, he put in that hedoesn't play five eight. He's got the
right he can ask for a release. Yeah, well that's a joke and
he's on um sorry, he's justunder a million. Wow, that's a

(01:14:48):
joke because when when when did thiscome in? Where or you get the
pick position? That's ridiculous. Thecoach told you where your play your player?
What do you reckon? If hewent to super coach and ask that
comes to fuck off or the belland me, yeah we did anyone see
the offer that the Tigers put outfor you, not to get him at

(01:15:13):
the Tigers playing big box, butto play six at Tigers to get him
here. I think I think ifyou want cultural, if you want a
bad cultural mixed as the one guysRaiders Raiders, I will give a C
plus C plus C plus. Ithink they have been like Honestly, I
think they're one of those teams thatyou kind of don't want a verse like

(01:15:35):
because they just like rocks and diamonds. But I also feel like they're they're
a team that could put fifty pointson you one week and then also just
win by one point the next week. But like no one wants to go
to Camber in Verse Raiders and forthat reason, I think that gives them
a bit of an edge. Andthey haven't been too bad this year.
Like they've been pretty good. They'vebeen pretty good. Like they beat Brisbane

(01:15:57):
in Brisbane, they did that's reallyhard to do this year. Look,
I am a Panthers through and throughas everyone can tell in my pen off
jacket. But um, I lovethe lads, I love it. I
love him, you know, Ihad a little for a cold classic,

(01:16:17):
those underdogs, and you gotta loveWicky, you know as much as you'll
will cop a flying here and therewhen and just yeah, really happy for
Javid Coker. Couldn't get the win, but three hundred games probably at stages
was like wasn't even going to getthere, um through injuries and that and

(01:16:42):
these young players that they have,you know, seb Chris has really stepped
up from being a savior just acenter to really holding down that fullback when
Savages can't be there. Um yeah, I like him, I think,
you know, and Horsba be goahead and he'll probably get a possibly could

(01:17:02):
get a Queensland if something. Yeah, so they're looking they're exciting. I
do like watchingman. They're a toughnut club though, they're like tough,
tough tough nuts in that in thatside, like they're hard hks, you
know what I mean? They are? And what do you think is going
to happen with um Whiton? He'sobviously gone to South next year and he's

(01:17:24):
playing well, yeah, who arethey going to replace him with that guy
in the head gear They used tohave she something ship shot or the half
back. Yeah, do you rememberwhat I'm talking about? They could get
books. He mate for five hundredsthey do. Whiten's gone books. He

(01:17:51):
is a half but he's a fiveeight. He's a one. He's a
one then, and he needs tochange. I think he needs a change.
I think he owes the Tigers.But also I don't mind him having
a change. Lucky would be ahard imagine who Brooks that camera? That
would be fun. It would befun. You know what. At one

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point in his career Brooks he wasan elite junior. Yeah. Now you
don't go from being an elite playerto a ship player. There's something more
that that meets the eye. Youknow, he's had no help in the
last ten years. Let's get real, and that's the clubs. When when
you're behind, when you're behind,the beat and pack every week. I

(01:18:36):
mean, don't expect the half toget you out of nothing. You can
do? Um that that bad?Anyway? Do you reckon if Luke Brooks
This is kind of obvious, butlike everyone hacks Luke Brooks, not the
club and everything that he's been broughtout, Like, do you reckon if
Luke Brooks started his career at Penrithor the Roosters or another club, you

(01:18:56):
reckon he would have been way better. I think it would have been a
different scenario. Yeah, center wouldhave been because when we're not judging Luke
brook Brooks, will we judge whenwe look at Luke Brooks? Unfortunately we
look at the West Tigers. Yeahwe're judging at all. Yeah yeah,
So look, I don't I don'tknow what to to make it the of
the Raiders, Um, you know, one day good, one day bad.
Um. I do enjoy watching them. I do think they are hard

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nut as as to your point,to your to your point, Dava,
but um, look, I don'tknow what to make of them. But
um, look I'll probably give hima C because they will and truly in
the in the eight. So guys, the Sharks, Sharks, they you

(01:19:39):
know, you got the dailyum waitingdaily am you know got Nicos? So
there you know they're supposed to bea good side. But just the last
the last two three weeks, they'vekind of dropped the ball. And I
think that that could have been alittle bit of a concern to Nico's point,
as in what did they do lastyear? Come back in the finals?

(01:20:02):
They go they were pretty sure,they went out straight sets, and
then you know he is he readyfor the big stage. I do love
to see him what they'll do thisyear when it comes to the back because
I think the Sharks will be there, but they can be hot and cold.
I think, do you think Nickois the issue in the Sharks or

(01:20:25):
do you think there's the other anotherissue because the heart makes a half.
I don't know where the issue theissue is because I think Moylan does his
job. He doesn't have to dotoo much. He can play, he
can just one he can be,doesn't have to do to get too fancy.
I think Will Kennedy is underrated sogood to the fullest. I think

(01:20:48):
he's amazing. He's never really talksof origin the way. Who's he played
for? Kennedy Yeah, like NewSouth Wales a Queensland. Yeah, look
his name are exactly. He's alot behind Dylan anyway. Um, but

(01:21:09):
yeah, I don't know where maybethey're maybe they're nine, I think,
don't. I don't rate him toohighly. It was there was a lot
of talk at one stage. Idon't think so. I think there was
a lot of talk about him foryou know, possibly Nissoth Wales a few
years ago, just to be onthe bench and be around the squad.
And I don't know. I don'tthink he does enough. Could be wrong,

(01:21:33):
but um again, like they're outto sea as well, but they
can be hot and cold. Ithink Faig has done a real good job
coming from marsh Year comes up withthe roosters. Come from a good system.
But even though he came from asystem, you have a head now
so it's fall on you. Um, so far, so good. They're

(01:21:55):
there. Yeah, I think they'regoing all right, like not too hot,
not too cold. But I alsodo think they're they're a bit um
like people think they're going better thanthey actually are. Like out of Shark
Park, like they're not really thatgood, Like they got destroyed by Melbourne
the other day. Like you thinkMelbourne versus Crenale, it's gonna be a

(01:22:17):
fun game, like a grinding likea twelve Neil scoreline or a twelve four
mate. It was like just Melbournejust cleaned them. And what was the
problem on that day? Well,there's sharks made this ship? But what
what? What? What? Whathappened in that game? Did you watch
the game? No? I didn'tlike what was the problem? Did you
see it? Yeah? Look mythoughts on the and you gave them a

(01:22:40):
D. I'll give them a forthey start of the season. I'll give
him like a C C minus andDrew, what did you give um?
Look? They they their drawers,their jews like any house and must have
made the because they play the bottomnine teams twice, they play the top

(01:23:05):
teams once. Every time they've playedthe top six, they've been smashed.
And their problems their middles. Anytimethey play a top six team, they
just go straight thro do go straightthrough them. Now, I can't blame
Nico Nico for that. They're avery unique team because they play three fullbacks

(01:23:27):
and what I mean about that isthat Nico's are running a running half.
So he does the most amazing thingabout controlling. He controls or he's a
game manager and he's a runner.So he's the only one in the competition
who does it. The next isMitch and that's a that's a different conversation,

(01:23:48):
which is for another day. Sohe needs his forwards to roll,
and unfortunately when they play the topfive or six teams, he doesn't and
roll. They just get swamped.To your point, against the storm,
the storm obliterated the middle. Theyjust collapse the middle. They collapsed it

(01:24:09):
early and they're just you know,big, big, big passages all the
way all the way through the middle. Yes, and that was the issue
the Middles last year when South Sydneydusted them okay in the semifinals, Okay,
straight through the middle. You thinkthat's a what's the change that needs
to be happening or in middles theyhaven't they haven't got the right middle.

(01:24:30):
Now, if they think that TabeRudolph is going to come back and fix
their issues, they've got they got, they got, they gotta they got
something coming to them. Um,look, I think you're early is good,
but they're sure two middles too hardnut crazy middlesh and and and what
I meant about that, and someand some and some middles try to do

(01:24:53):
too much. I mean the Penrithprops are the best props in the game
as a tandem. You know what. They don't have a play. They
run hard, hit the ground andplay the book quick. They don't pop,
they don't do anything. Okay,but one a minute, that momentum
that they give to the six sevenone, you know, I mean,

(01:25:15):
that's what you're looking for, Okay, And we'll talk about pedif when we
come up to look, I'll givehim as I see, but I'm not
convinced the guys rabbitos, rabbitos.I'll start off with the rabbitos like rabbitos.
Honestly, you've got to give himlike a B plus. They have
been so good, but I'm worriedthat they might get burnt out or like

(01:25:42):
I'm worried that come finals time theymight like look a bit black last night,
like Cody Walker has been playing sowell, Latrelle has been pretty very
good. Like they're just going reallygood at the moment, Like I can't
really say anything poor or criticize himin any way at the moment, but
we'll see you as later as theyear gets on. How they'll go.

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Yeah, they're they're good. Theyare a good side, like we were
saying earlier, Like they all turnup at the same time, and they
could do some wonderful things for eightyminutes and just one over teams. Their
attacks the best, like one ofthe best in the comp their attack.
But I think they might have justpeak too early. Yeah, they might

(01:26:26):
have just hit the ground one anda bit too early. Um, But
like you can you know, backagainst a team that has Cody Latreal,
Alex Johnson on the wing, scoredthirty twenty five plush tries a year like
it's just it's incredible. So they'llbe there. Um, I think they've

(01:26:48):
been the top four and i'll bea tough side. So there ought to
be there, ought to be.But I don't know if they've gone a
bit too early. That is agood David didn't get your score for him
B B B plus. Um.Look, I just think it's um mid
mid year and and they're a goodstart, not as burnt him out,

(01:27:12):
but it's a long season and obviouslythey haven't got all their team in.
Um, this rabbit as team withan improving ilias with the most damaging ball
runner Latrell in the mood. Um, not only the left side, but
the right side's working as well.Now both sides are working as well.

(01:27:32):
Um, how good Campbell Graham sogood he was gonna get picked for you.
I'm gonna, well, he's gota sterner issue. Yeah, he
was like nineteenth man or something.You can't train. Um, let me
suggest to you that the South ofwinning comp this year, you reckon South

(01:27:55):
will win the comp this year becausebecause why because their middles keep on rolling
and then what comes off the benchkeeps unrolling again. Okay, so they
can get into a get into agrind with you, Okay, okay,
the minute, the minute. Theother thing good thing is that Katie is

(01:28:15):
matured. Okay. So what happenswith Codie his ball playing? When he
hits the ball on the fly andgoes into the line, he goes so
deep, he holds the pass upand he lets lets the defense react.
Then he gives the then he givesthe ball. Okay, just take makes

(01:28:36):
so much time for his outside bath. What I've seen in glimpses so in
other words, when the big gamescome, because they've been in prelimbs for
the last four or five years nowand obviously made a Grand Final as well.
It's the core of this team.I think when he comes, when
he comes to that that day,they'll slip in and I think they'll win

(01:29:00):
the comp. I just think onthe on the comb I think that Penrith
will win the comp. The onlyissue I think with Penrith is that depending
on who we play, is ifwe'll win it. I think if we
play one of those teams who's alittle bit nervous, who hasn't been there
before, we'll get the job done, as in what Melbourne did to us.

(01:29:25):
But if we get see us holdthat thought, we'll talk about Penrith
Storm Storm, Storm Storm, youknow what they're coming, They're coming.
They're coming third. Yeah, wethink that's crazy. We think they've had
a ship year. Yeah, they'recoming third. The just storm beat Storm.
They always said they're going to falloff every year, mate and amazing,

(01:29:47):
they're amazing club. Yeah, Isee what happens there they Yeah,
you like you said, when they'renot doing so good, they're still up
and all on. Amazing Club.Amazing club. Yeah, I don't really
want to talk about the storm bYeah, bodybody b um the other favorite

(01:30:11):
broncos a A not a plus A. Like you look, twenty twenty,
they got the wooden spoon. We'reonly three years later and they're coming second
first ya But why what they got? Why what's their beauty? What's the
good of the good of them?Well, they're they're the best team in
the comp right now. I thinklike they're running the comp. They're running

(01:30:33):
the comb at the moment. Butum, they're just so good. Like
Recee Walsh is doing so well there, Adam Reynolds is literally carrying the team
plus plus ninety three. Yeah,they just compliment them like each player compliments
the other player is so good.Their forward pack is amazing, like probably
one of the best, really closeto penriates in the comp, like pain

(01:30:56):
half uh So Karagan Kargan, Karagan'sdisgustingly good. I agree. I'll tell
you why they're doing so good.You know, under ten letters, under
ten letters, Ben n he cameover there and just refurbished the place.

(01:31:17):
You know what. He's left nowhe's gone to the QRL. But apparently
when he went, when he wentthere, he thought he was going to
do all these amazing things and apparentlyhe got stunted. That's why he left.
He got stunted and they didn't lethim do, um what we had
to do. And um the rumorsthat we've heard about him having let's say,

(01:31:42):
disagreement with the coach, yeah,yeah, it's a truth. It
really happened, and he has adisagreement. He just knows how to keep
away and he's a professional. Butlook, you're not wrong. I just
a quality person, a quality manmanagement, and that's what they needed.
And I don't know, so you'vegiven them an a Yeah, I don't

(01:32:02):
know, but this is what likethese shouldn't be a good thing for the
Broncos. Obviously it's good, butlike this is how they should be.
They're literally like other than the Dolphins. Now, they've got no other competition
in their whole in the whole state. They've got three three and a half
million people to pick from. Yeah, exactly, Like this is how they
should be, absolutely absolutely should be. Yeah, look Broncos are looking sensation.

(01:32:27):
I love watching him, I lovewatching them play. They're just so
flairy. Um, they throw cautionto the wind. I love their shapes,
the shapes they produce. Obviously,Reynolds, as you guys, spoke
about pulling all the strings. Butit's for me that it's it's it's everybody
around them have grown and amazing.Herbie fine Worth, I love Herbie fine

(01:32:49):
Worth. I think when the whenthe whips are cranking, I think they
will be there. But I thinkthere might be a year away from from
chocolates. Yeah, um, butit wouldn't surprise me. And I think
if they get there, wouldn't surpriseme that they do what Penneth do and
they had a bit of nerves andyeah, of course, and of course

(01:33:11):
they're still a young man. They'restill a young man. Um. I
think I think Reese has changed thewhole team. I mean, the kid
is so so electric has It's likeI said, every time he touches the
ball, and if you see himlive, it's even more obvious. Um,
every time he touches the ball,something's going to happen. What the
best thing is about when he touchesthe ball is that it's not him,

(01:33:34):
it's it's the defenders around the spothe's running too. They've got to make
a decision and it's so quick.They make either the wrong decision or they
make the right decisions. Because whatReese is a footballer, he'll draw him
pass. So I reckon. Sojust because I reckon, he inspire like

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he's more than just the fullback ofthat teammate. He inspires his teammates so
much, like just quickly, Iknow it's what the Broncos. But Queensland
the kickoff broke. He ran itstraight at um Payne has or was it
in New South Wales? Yeah he'sReese Walsh ran it straight at him.
He's twenty. But he's a leader. Yeah, he's a leader. Guys

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somehow, I just look, I'lllook back now and I want I don't
want to miss this. I missedthe Warriors, silly me. Let's do
the Warriors. And after that there'sonly one last team. We've been here
for a while now, so let'sgo Warriors, the Warriors. I'll start
off with the Warriors. Um no, the Warriors have been pretty good this
year. What are they coming there? Six? Six? Oh? That

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seems good. No Warriors, mate, coming six? They've got eighteen points.
They're four off the top, they'retwo off second. I reckon them
being in being back in New Zealand'sreally really amplified their team. Um plus
thirty four sorry yeah plus thirty four, Like they're doing great, like God's
work mate the Warriors. There willbe they will be that way to eager

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love, way to eager. Um. Sean Johnson has not aged a bit.
Look at him the Warriors, doesn'the looks like he's twenty. He's
killing it. Um, you know, like backup players like Metcalf. Metcalf's
coming in playing a bit of thatthat pena for last year next menum up

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mentality kind of thing come in reallygood. Look. I just hope they
stay in the eight. I thinkthey will, um, but I don't.
I don't think they do too muchdamage in the Cup finals time.
Um we spoke about Webster who beforeum, how he's found um the keyton

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unlock these uh, these Warriors.I mean he's cracked at the Vinci code.
Yeah, because how many coaches havegone there and tried to do that.
He's done it was there well clearlymade a gram final. Yeah,
he's cracked the Vinci code. It'snot surprising that he comes from that system,
mind you worth the who has beenaround, He's even cached in England

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Super League team. Say he's nocharmp He's not charp, he's coach leads.
Um, Yeah, he's crashed thehe's cracked the Vinci code. I
love their grittiness. He showed againstCanberra. They're under the pump first half.
They hung in and then when mCambra dropped a little bit, they
lifted and and they just went bang, bang, wallop, crash and just

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sort of sort of the Raiders sortof the Raiders out a very a very
pendrive performance. So um, he'sgot the cattle as well, but he's
outstanding. Like you last the PenniesPenrith, you want to go first,
Drew David start a bit of ahot take, so I would just be

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the the cream before the icing getson top of their. Drew steam to
Penrith. Penrith, the Penrith.The Penrith have been Penrith for three years
now. They're pretty good. Yeah, I'd like to talk about you say
something plus one seven one best forand against the calm. Yeah, that's

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it. That's Penrith, mate.Like they're so good at the moment.
They've been so good for the pastthree years and as a rooster supporter.
I'm honestly jealous, honestly, andyeah, it's just amazing, like they
just do. I could go intoso much, but you know, I'll
leave it talking to Drew for thisone. Mate. I think we might

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disagree here, but I'm not happy. I think must Enders are just exceptionally
high. Um, I think we'vebeen clunky in a lot of games.
I do understand with taking Happy toa new club. Getting rid of Kiko
and Ki made Loui's job a loteasier, as Louis would go, oh,

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there's nothing on, I'll just popit off and he'll make another ten
meters and we look, okay,miss kick out a bit there. We
do big time. And I rememberwe had this conversation early on around David's
birthday and I was like kind ofdisagreeing. I was like, we'll be
right, we'll be right. Butum, I think I would trace those

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steps and a little bit worried.And Sonny hasn't excelled as much as I
thought he would. I don't knowhow he'll travel within the next two to
three years. But yeah, Ihaven't been too happy just because we've we've
looked clunky and I just think Iwant that super slick. I want it,

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you know, but again, likeDavid said before, you can't win
every game every year. It justdoesn't happen like that. Um, but
we're going, okay, we're going, okay, we're here. There's a
lot of shining lights. Like ScottSawson is exceptional, playing really well for

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a guy who came from the Sharks. That was he was on the Tools
before he was that like the Sharks, like he wasn't working. So just
grab a guy like that and he'sdone so well. Um, you know,
I hope Gardner gets to see somepotential. I really hope he doesn't.
It hasn't worked, not yet.But Zach Hosking has been unbelievable.

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Oh yeah, so um, youknow, and yeah, it's it will
be interesting because you know, challengesto come and when you play finals foot
he gets tough and when you don'tget the rubber the green, where I
think in years we did get therubb of the green. And also injuries
to our side, um, youknow, like Nathan will be out for

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six weeks. This is going tobe big. All these other years you
haven't really had that big injuries wasoutside last year sixlix the suspension. Yeah,
we did have Sean and Sullivan.This Cog is good man. Yeah,
Cogo is um and he's been aroundthe block. He's no youngster change.

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That's the thing. If you're aroundthat penne of system you're training with
clearly anyway you're on the other side, you have a halfback. So Sonny,
Sonny's gonna like Mitch Kenny and thedog. Yeah, so I'll give
us, I'll give us a lowB. But um okay, okay,

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um okay. So I think we'vegot to accept you're talking about clunkiness,
and I'm exactly like you. I'vebeen waiting for something to change. And
they actually looked smooth on on onSaturday. But I mean they're playing one
of the worst teams in the comps. So you know it doesn't matter all

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the minus minus Yeah it is.You can't disagree with facts as much as
I minus ninety so the worst teamin the comp really, if you look
at it in minus ninety that title. So, um, they looked smooth.
But I think we've got to accept, We've got to accept what we're

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seeing now is what we're going toget. The only thing is going to
hang them into in every game istheir defense. The question is, um,
when the big game game has come, can can they kick up a
little bit in terms of attack?Um? Because you know what besides one

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or two which they flog flog someteams, but every every game, every
game has been hard for them towin. Last year, Bang they're won
by half time and all these bigteams. You play Pennorth, Yeah,
you pull your socks up. Youknow, everybody pulls out unfortunate, everybody
pulls this off. So it's goingto be it's it's it's hard for parent
because everybody comes with their A game, you know what I mean. Um.

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The the other good thing is thatum, the system that they play
or their back their back three especiallyokay, how they can get out of
the red zone. Crazy. Noteam can do it. Every team tries
it, No team can do it. Last year we had the good thing.

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The good thing about last year waswas taha um the other wing out
whatever the other winger is, orkriton okay, or the fullback. Then
we had kick out. Yeah,okay, kicker doesn't exist anymore. Okay,
so we try everybody else and theywill do they will do everything,
but kick out runs fifteen meters notten meters, not four meters like they

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are. Now that's a big thing. The other thing is that um,
the pass off the ground from Happyto to Nathan cut half a second off,
so that means half a second.That means half a step before it,
before the line got to him.So he had more thinking time,
he had more time to make decisions. Now he's got has to get used

(01:43:13):
to not having that time. Okay. And that's where the clockiness comes because
everything's set around that middle Yo,Nathan and a little why. Everything is
based around those three Okay, Everythingrelevolves around that. I was hoping Sonny
Luke will do the check as well, and I've still got hate with Sonny
Luke. I've still got hate withSonny Luke. I actually don't like.

(01:43:35):
I like I'd like him to startwith Sonny Luke and finished leaving Sonny Luke
on for eighty minutes whatever. Butlook, you know what Ivan is for
me and the lead coach, Solet him do his thing, Okay.
I enjoy watching him play. Ilike the pendri Of system. I've started

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the pendif system more than any othersystem in the competition, and every every
team's got a system. Every teamyou've got a system, but the the
Penith system is the most unique system. And that's why Ivan's one of the
best coaches. Um. I don'tknow what's going to happen. I can't
wait to see what's going to happen. Um, there's still there's there's still

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you know, the first or thesecond best team in the comp. Um.
I'm intrigue this year. Can theywin the comp? Yeah? Do
I think they're going to win thecomp? No? But I could be
wrong as well. So that's strictlyjust because no team has won three in
a row. No, no,no, no, no, because I
honestly don't think they've got enough pointsin them. The only good thing is

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they can stop stop your scoring.Yeah. So if they can stop you
scoring, if they can only lettingsix points or twelve points, they've got
enough pointing. Ruster has only scoredone try against Yeah. So if they
can do if they can stop point, they've gotta. They've gotta, they've
gotta. They've got a big chance. But the only differences let's say they're
playing Soufs in the Grand Final.In the prelim, okay, wow,

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but your back line is actually crazylike your back. The whole team's crazy.
Forwards, the forwards, everyone doesthe everybody does everything right. There
is nothing wrong with the pattern.But we're coming from a really hot from
a really high bar. Yeah,okay, down to where we are now.

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Nothing wrong if they didn't have thoseplayers that they lost last year.
In the year before, Remember it'sbeen it's been not one player, not
two players, not three players,it's been half of the team. And
now, okay, and we hadthis team, but we're still saying they're
probably still in the comp and we'restill saying that one of the best teams
in the in the comp. Okay, But what happens is that everybody tries

(01:45:54):
to catch up to them and guesswhat selfs have? Yeah, yeah,
there is Okay, Okay, nextyear they're getting wided. I don't know
how, but they're getting wide andas well. So they've gone past in
terms of cattle, they've gone pastPenrith. Okay. The everything that's going
to help Penrith is the system.Their system. They'll get, they'll get

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Whiten, We'll lose. Cryton's goneto Willise Cryton, willse Spence Spence.
Oh and he's he's a machine.He's a machine and it makes a difference.
You know, you look at Fishh Moses Fish, I have he's
getting older. He's been around.They saw in their late twenties. Fish

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has got to be close to thirty, shouldn't he really? I would think
so wow, because Nathan's twenty five. Yeah, Like I still think Nathan's
twenty one. Major us Yeah,I look, I'll give him. I'll
give him an a um. AndI wouldn't be surprised if they were in

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the combo. I wouldn't be surprisedif they're in the Grand Formal. Want
to be surprised if they're They're theweek before the Greend Final. They're the
best team by far. Like obviouslythe gaps shortened, but they're still the
best team by far. If itwas a prelimit Penrith, Right, me
and you Friday night, we're atPenrith Stadium in a preliminary final. Who
wouldn't you want Penrity verse? Like, who would you actually be worried about?

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I don't want to play see us, I don't want to play matter.
Yeah, but I think that's thething, Like with this year Penrith
have dropped and everyone's caught up tous and so that the compety is much
tighter. Like you can you cansee anyone in that top eight, you
know, doing something decent right nowor whoever will finish in the top eight.

(01:47:41):
Top four, yeah, top topfour. But look, look,
you know what we'll finish on thispenrith one seven one say no more?
Yeah, what do you what doyou guys are before we go? What
do you guys are looking forward toor origent? You gotta have a little
bit of hope and the kind ofdoing well that year that Freddy the first

(01:48:06):
year that Freddie put in a teamand everyone went, what are you doing?
You got rocks in your head andwe won. We got up.
It can be done, and lookFreddy needs it to get done. Job.
Yeah, so look to everyone whobags Freddie and look up, put

(01:48:30):
my hand up. I get madat him for making the wrong decision.
How I think the wrong decision.But at the end of the day,
and when it comes to Wednesday,they got a blues jersey on and we'll
be sitting there watching absolutely saying howyou get up? Boys? A look,
that's what I'm looking for Wednesday night. Last time I was on the

(01:48:54):
podcast, I said, what Iwas looking forward to this year was the
Origins. What I'm looking forward toright now, honestly, I'm looking forward
to the Roosters getting their season backon track. You know, it's it's
a big chance. It's a bigchance for us to get it back.
We will get it back. Ihave faith in robbo Um. Obviously a
bit of a slump at the momentof the past four weeks, but I

(01:49:15):
think we will get it back,and I would just I just want to
see how they go. You don'thave to win. I just want to
see improve well, you could do, got to win, but like I
just want to see improvements. LikeI just want to see that the team
knows something. Right now, wedon't look like we know each other,
We don't look like anything. SoI just want to see how the team
can the team gel a glue orare we gonna get He's gonna get too
late like last year and the yearbefore where we finally start to do something.

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But it's like round twenty five andyeah, obviously Origin go to blues.
Yeah got to come back. We'vegot to come back or we're dead.
We got to come back from thedead. I hope. So too.
Is there an actual chance. Ofcourse there is. It's unco of
course there is, but it's neverbeen done. A game too with the
Blues losing the first they've they've neverwon. They've never won in Queensland in

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forty years, but that means nothing. Records are true. But the thing
about origin and being in Nissa Falesfearing is that Queensland had their eight years
of dominant and it was like,all right, it's our time, you
know, and Queensland have the worstteam. When Gil said the worst teaming
issue and it was everyone bagged himout and said you can't say that,

(01:50:26):
you know, because you know,but it was we didn't have Quank,
didn't have Smith, they didn't havethey had no one and yeah they still
beat us. But it's just likewenthing, something's got to give. We
should the players, we have theclop we have on paper because every year
it says, oh nisso fales youknow, should be short one, favorites
should be favorites. You know,they've got the better team. But let

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me tell you that Queensland spirit whateverit's over there, they're just happen.
Is that what it is? Doyou think it's just it looks like hard,
it looks like hart. That's whatyou think. But I know that
these New South Wales like fellas mybig issue and I think this is another

(01:51:16):
day because this could go on forever. But if you're playing Origin, you
shouldn't get paid. Don't pay him. Don't pay him for Origin bleed a
bit of you. When Nico cameout, that was the first time I've
heard in a long time, yesthat I hate Queensland blah blah blah.
And yeah he did. He cameout and he said I hate Queensland.

(01:51:38):
He's like the only player that's episodethat like in a long time. Yeah.
Like then now we got two ofour players. But do you reckon?
He just did that as a marketingscheme, as in like pick me.
Oh nah, it's a big statementto say, just for marketing.
Yeah, you know. I lookedat New South Wales and Queensland just quickly
their team list like one, one, two, two, And I know

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everyone thinks we've got a better team, but that Queensland team is actually good,
good, good team. It's agreat Queensland team. It's just like
we expect so much of New SouthWales, as we should, and disappointing.
The disappointing, but that Queensland teamis great, I think as well.
Whendn't that eight years of dominance andthey had all those immortals. Now
you look and yes not every playercan be a coach, but all these

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immortals are just shading the sheds,you know. You know what, Kim
Smith was having a chat at theandain we've got that too, but they
don't have the status that they do. You know what that that that eight
years and that apparent team which wasgreat. Yeah, the team that you
saw Farles had weren't there weren't chapsthat no, and you are right there

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as in there was one sweep.There was one sweep and majority of the
other games it could have been aJonathan Thurston field goal, a Cooper field
goal, maybe two points, maybea late innercipt. It was a lot
close, like we never got veryrarely. I disagree in terms of I

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agree with you. I disagree inthe terms of the um they won eight
in a row, they won't,you know, two to one obviously,
and there was one sweep in it. Um so all far away really it
wasn't wasn't a close eight years wasn'tthere were no close series? Really,
when you when when you lose twoone, you keep on losing two one,

(01:53:28):
So in three years it's what sixthree sort of thing, you know
what I mean? Um? Yeah, but I'm saying when when we would
lose, would lose by not manypoints. Feel God, yeah, I
thought we should have won more.I honestly thought we should have won more.
I think because they won't say much, it lifted their status up even
more. And yeah, look,I'm not going to disagree. God say,

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there's there's probably two more, atleast two, if not three,
But um, I don't know,I don't know. It doesn't sit right
with me. But anyway, anyways, Origins are very very polarizing, a
very interesting series because everybody's got theiropinion. Um, what I think,

(01:54:09):
um, what you think, andwhat my wife thinks is three different things.
And where's the truth, I guesssomewhere in the middle. Why would
you saying that I think that BillySlatter's an outstanding coach and I think you're
out coach Fiddler every day of theweek. That that's just my opinion what
I've seen, what I've seen,And maybe we didn't need a different coach,

(01:54:30):
but anyway that see what happens.I just think it's just it just
irks me because we've tried every coachand done the round about it, and
we've tried more and then they youknow, and Billy plays his whole career
kills us every time. And thenyou know, first you get sigging,
where's the justice? Where's the justicefor do South Wales? We got to

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earn the joice exactly. We'ven't learnedanything like someone in New South Wales has
just got to really just grab theball by the horns. Say it again.
The first game was a mental thingbecause we had stacks of possession number
one, number two. We shouldhave scored ten times. Say it again.
Okay, two points up, tenminutes to go, one man down,

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and they strip us twice. Theystrip us numbers outside twice. See
is that an individual thing or isthat a New South Wales thing. It's
a mental thing individual or New SouthWales the whole thing. They're not mentally
prepared, that's my opinion. Letme tell you about that. That's very
quickly. Please. I had amulti. I do love the multi.

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I had New South Wales to wina few try scorers got up under fifty
points um and two other things orsomething, and the one that I had
like because Queensland got up and Isaid we had ten minutes to go and

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they were me and down. Iwas thinking, happy days. We might
blow it out here, we mightblow out. We might score two tries
or something. He's getting the tableand then they end up scoring two tries
and then so it goes over andqueensn't win. Anyway, fellas, I

(01:56:30):
think I think we've been here overan hour. Yeah, that was fun.
That was fun. We should dothis again. Look, hit up
the wonder boy, Anthony, thisstud this again in the mouth or so
keep after the series. It wasa pleasure. We could do a recap
of the series quel after after thethird game, here the wonder Boy anthem,

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we can do this again. I'malways on him, I saying,
once I saw yours, get meon the poddy and talk for the week.
Unfortunately that's the same as well.You know what I say. In
summer, I haven't got a personality. I've got nothing. I've got nothing
in summer. I still talk aboutrugby league. And you know what super
leagues played in in their summer.Our winter, which it could be played.

(01:57:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ithink I think the women's game should
be put in summer so we arefooting all the year around. Yeah,
that's a good idea. And it'sgot clear air so we got quicket against
them. But anyway, it wasfun, it was good. We had
the youth in the in the lab. We're going to have them again.
Guys. Thanks a lot, andwe'll see you for Chip and Chase.

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Oh sorry for Quick Hands tomorrow guys. Okay, bye,