Debunking The Popular Mechanics & Foxnews Attack on 911 Truth

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gonna be getting to tonight. Sotonight, what can I be discussing.
Well, I'm going to be goingover the attack on the nine eleven Truth
movement that was put out by FoxNews and Popular Mechanics magazine. Now,

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this is this is older. Theseare older attacks. You haven't seen them
really publicly attack nine to eleven truthin the past few years because nine to
eleven Truth has, I don't wantto say gone underground, but it is
not what it used to be.There used to be a big event every

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year in New York City. Therewere a lot more documentaries and videos coming
out back in the day, andnow a lot of that stuff. I
mean, a lot of people haveput documentaries together, and there's a ton
of evidence out there, but therehasn't been anything new since There really really

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hasn't been anything new since like themid twenty tens. Really and by like
twenty eleven, twenty ten, twentyeleven, twenty twelve. Nine to eleven
Truth was under attacked by the Obamaadministration. It's not like they're just the
only administration that was doing it.The Bush administration did it. The Popular

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Mechanics attacked nine to eleven Truth duringthe Bush administration and during the Obama administration.
So it doesn't matter. The agendacarries on no matter who the puppet
master or the he's not really thepuppet master, really the puppet president who's
being controlled by his puppet masters higherup the Illuminati food chain. Okay,

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so it doesn't matter if Obama isin, Bush is in. It doesn't
matter Biden. Nine to eleven Truthis a taboo subject. So back in
twenty and eleven, Fox News andPopular Mechanics aired a presentation around the tenth
anniversary of the attacks. Now Iput this presentation that I'm going to show

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you together myself, and a lotof it is audio and visual evidence.
In the beginning, I'm gonna youknow, I'm gonna talk over the some
of the title screens because they havelettering and writing but no voice behind it.

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Because when I made this back inthe day, I was just starting
out doing radio and off I wasdoing more videos for YouTube and stuff like
that, and I was making alot of debunking full length like hour and
a half long debunking documentaries, justattacking certain attacks on nine to eleven Truth.
And what I'm going to present toyou tonight, the presentation that I

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put together, it's about an hourand a half long, and it takes
this it was like maybe four minutesfive minutes long, this segment on Fox
News, and it breaks down howthey quickly just dismissed nine to eleven Truth
and go, oh, there's noevidence, these these conspiracy theorists, these
crazy conspiracy theorists. But there isa ton of evidence. And there were

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two Fox News segments And the reasonwhy I wanted to go back to this
is because the attack on nine toeleven truth by popular mechanics is still used
to this day. And I'm goingto show you right now bring the evidence.
If you're looking on the screen allright, you will see it says

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seven resources debunking nine to eleven conspiracyseries and who is it? Put out
by CFAR dot org CFAR In caseyou aren't sure who the CFR is is
the Council on Foreign Relations. Itis one of the think tank groups,

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one of these groups that gets togetherand they control foreign policy. Hillary Clinton,
when she was Barack Obama secretary ofState, did a famous speech where
she was at the Council on ForeignRelations and she admitted, you can look
this up. It's still on YouTube. Just type in Hillary Clinton Council on

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Foreign Relations or if she admits,Council on Foreign Relations tells her what to
do and it should come up.And in the clips, she's speaking at
the Council on Foreign Relations and sheadmits that she's glad that they have an
office right up the street from heroffice because it makes it easier for her
to get there in a short periodof time to be told how to think
and what to do. This iswhen she was the Secretary of State and

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she's making this speech at the Councilon Foreign Relations. So they're not just
some think tank where some fuddy duddiesget together once in a while. The
CFR has members in media all sortsof publishing, TV, business law.
They invite people in on purpose tobe part of their group. But to

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be part of the group, youhave to not say anything, otherwise you
don't get invited back. So yeah, the the editors of magazines that go
to their meetings and stuff, theydon't talk about it because if they did,
they would well, there would bea problem. So the Council on
Foreign Relations in twenty twenty one puttogether this article and in here it talks

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about, oh, you know,there's still conspiracy theories blah blah blah blah
blah, you know, regarding nineto eleven and oh my god, the
crazy conspiracy theorists they're anti Semitic.But a lot of these conspiracies, you
know, have an anti Semitic,have anti Semitic tropes to them. No,
they don't know, they don't.My grandmother was a Dutch Jew in
a Nazi concentration camp. Do youthink that if any of this was white

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supremacist, like real, real Nazi, real you know, boot wearing,
you know, fancy outfit wearing,marching around with their hand in the air
Nazis. Do you you think thatif anybody involved in the nine to eleven
truth community were Nazis, that Iwould be supporting nine to eleven truth.
Really no, So that's a lie. That's just a huge lie, okay.

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And that's just one of the smallthings. So it goes on talks
about uh, you know different youknow how conspiracy theories and you know where
they come from, and if lefton untreated, they'll they'll grow. But
you know, if you know anybodythat happens to distrust the official version of
events, here's a list of resources. Here's seven resources you could use.

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And of course the first thing isthe nine to eleven Commission Final Report,
which you might as well use thatas an anchor for your boat or if
you need to wipe your rear endwhile camping, or if you need kindling
to start a fire. That's theonly thing it's good for. It's the
only thing it's good for. It'sbeen proven that they lied and that they
did not care about getting to thetruth. Okay, they didn't care.

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And then there's this radio broadcast that'sput out in two and eleven, the
same year that I made the presentationyou're going to say, and they cite
that, then debunking nine to elevenbomb theories that was put together by Nova.
Of course, that goes back totwo thousand and six, and of
course it explains how it's impossible thatthey could have ever had explosives in the

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building except the nano thermite that StephenJones found in the dust. That raises
a lot of questions, but youknow, pay that no mind. And
then, of course here's the biggestreason why I'm airing this tonight, debunking
nine to eleven myths, why conspiracytheories can't stand up to the facts put
out by Popular Mechanics in two thousandand six, and it was put out

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again in two thousand and eleven becausethe update that they released and they republished
the book, they put an updatein there to attack Stephen Jones's nano thermite
information and evidence. So the wholereason I wanted to present this to you
tonight is because even as of twentytwenty one, they're still citing and when

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I say there, I mean theythe people that were involved in this,
the people the Council on Foreign Relations. Now that the guy that wrote the
article obviously wasn't involved in it,but the Council on Foreign Relations members thereof
were, Okay, it is notjust some get together where people talk about

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politics and you know, the waythat they think, maybe it would be
great if the world went and ina novel world the world would you know,
the world would go the way wewould like it to go, because
we're we're all here, we're allsmart, and we're all great thinkers.
And no, that's not how itis. That's not how it is at
all. The countsil on Foreign Relationsagain, it's a private, secret organization

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that you're not allowed to talk aboutwhat goes on in their meetings if you're
from the press, I mean,if they're worried about keeping secrecy, but
at the same time they want totell us there's nothing funny going on.
I'm sorry, I don't buy that. And I could do a whole broadcasting
get off into a whole side tangentabout the Counts on Foreign Relations. The
point is it is what it is. So and the reason I have to

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hurrying along a little bit is becauseI have to get to the presentation and
there's another video that I want totry to squeeze in at the end,
so afterwards, So this is thereason why, because they're still using this
popular mechanics gard Bidge to try todebunk nine to eleven truth. And just
in case you're not sure, here'ssome quotes from David Rockefeller, the man

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who is one of the founding membersof the Council on Foreign Relations. Okay,
this is right from his memoirs.Quote. Some even believe we,
the Rockefeller family, are part ofa secret cabal working against the best interests
of the United States, characterizing myfamily and me as internationalists and of conspiring
with others around the world to builda more integrated global political and economic structure,

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One world, if you will.If that's the charge, I stand
guilty, and I am proud ofit. Oh whoa, whoa. He
just says it right there in hisown memoirs. I mean, I guess
you'd have to read them. Theaverage person doesn't quote. We are grateful
to the Washington Post, The NewYork Times, Time Magazine, and other

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great publications whose directors have attended ourmeetings and respected their promises of discretion for
almost forty years. It would havebeen impossible for us to develop our plan
for the world if we had beensubjected to the lights of publicity during those
years. But the world is moresophisticated and prepared to march towards a world
government. The supernational sovereignty of anintellectual elite in world bankers is surely preferable

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to the national autodetermination practiced in pastcenturies. This is these are quotes right
from David Rockefeller himself. Okay,again, the founder of the Council on
Foreign Relations. But there are areal good place to go for information regarding
nine to eleven. They're a realgood source of information at debunks nine to

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eleven. Truth. No, they'renot. And that's why I wanted to
show you this, because they arelying to you. They want you to
believe garbage, They want you tobelieve their lies. So of course they're
gonna, they're gonna. They don'thave anything powerful, they don't have any
real information. What do they havethey have? Oh, let's go to

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James Megs and the people over apopular mechanics magazine. Garbage, absolute garbage.
And you're gonna see why right now. So I'm gonna bring this up,
and I'm gonna I'll read the beginningof it to you. It says,
as the tenth anniversary of nine toeleven is upon us, the attacks
on nine eleven truth are ramping up. Articles have been written, TV shows

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have aired, and so called newsnetworks have aired hit pieces, all trying
to debunk with no evidence. Andhe claims in regards to nine to eleven
that differ from that of the officialgovernment conspiracy theory. The two latest ones
by Fox News are filled with massivefallacies to the point of absurdity. And
I will let it play a littlebit and you can hear the music in

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the background. It'll take a secondand it will roll through the next title
screen, and then I will onceit's done, once I've done reading,
it's going to play a little bitand then it goes into who James Megs
really is, and I'll read abouthis information about what he's got no scientific
background he was like, you'll seeanyway, the following video is going to

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show you those two hit pieces andwill show you enough evidence to make the
government's conspiracy theory. Fox News andPopular Mechanics all collapse into their own footprints,
just like the Twin Towers and Buildingseven. Let's start with the piece
from September sixth, twenty eleven withJames Meg's from Popular Mechanics going on Fox
News is Morons in the Morning show. That's their Fox and Friends show.

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I call it Morons in the Morning. Especially when Steve Dooshey and the rest
of them were all together. Itwas just very cringe worthy. So you're
going to see the video first.You'll see the video first, and then
once it plays through is where Ican get into a little bit about James
Megs's background, and then I'll shutup and let the video go because the

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rest of it is the evidence presentedpiece by piece destroying their argument. Ten

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years after the September of the EleventhAttacks, wild conspiracy theories and myths still
persist. Countless books and websites aredevoted claiming that the US government actually was
involved in the terrible events of thatday. But now one book, it's
proving all those conspiracy conspiracy theories arewrong. Jim Meg's is the editor in
chief of Popular Mechanics and the authorof the new book Debunking nine eleven Myths.

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Morning Agent, Great to be here. You were here back in two
thousand and five, where Popular Mechanicsexamined a bunch of the myths supposedly based
on hard evidence. Where did thesethings come from? Initially, well,
you know, so many people theyhad a hard time believing the mainstream view
that that al Kada terrorists did thisaction, and a lot of people had
their own favorite villain, so theywanted to look at the evidence and come

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up with some other explanation for whatreally happened. All right, let's go
through some of them, and Iwant you to expand on some of them.
First up, we'd heard this airdefenses were ordered to stand down.
You said, that's not the case. Now, this is interesting. There
are a number of experts who saythat a missile or a military jet hit
the Pentagon. We know it wasa jet, but where did this missile

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thing come One of the first conspiracytheories, and there was a bestselling book
in France on this, saying itwas some kind of a cruise missile or
something. This fell apart once youreally look into it. They found the
wreckage of the plane in the Pentagon, they identified the DNA of the passengers.
There's actually pictures of the wreckage,and yet if you go on websites
you'll still see this one repeated kidalso flight ninety three was hit by air

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to air missile and it wasn't.Some expert who supposedly was with the North
Dakota Air National Guard said he's theguy who pulled the trigger. Well,
there was there was somebody who claimedthat he could identify the guy it was.
It was an outrageous smear on anactual officer and not the case at
all. How many times do wehear that Building seven was professionally demolished And

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that was a tough one because becausethat building was not hit by a plane.
In the end, it was proventhat it was the result of prolonged
fires that weakened the internal structure ofthe building. And of course Rosie O'Donell
famously said with that it's the firsttime in history the fire melted steel.
A lot of people had a hardtime understand how buildings could fall down as

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a result of fire. But whatwe found is it doesn't take temperature high
enough to melt steel. It justhas to heat up the steel so it
expands and then softens and weakens thestructure until it collapses. Okay, and
one of the new things in thisparticular update that you've got is there are
some guys who claimed to have collectedsome air samples and in that air sample
was what some dust. They callit nano thermite. Now, thermite is

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a is a compound that if youapply it in a certain way, it
can actually melt metal in certain conditions. And they're claiming they've given up on
the idea there were bombs in thebuild and that was the original name.
Now they're saying, oh, therewas some kind of nano thermite, and
of course you talked to demolition experts. The whole idea is ridiculous. But
what it shows is how the conspiracyof theories keep evolving as one gets knocked

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down. They never changed their conclusions, they just come up with new evidence.
Now they're literally claiming their best evidenceswith grains of dust found in the
street near ground zero and supposedly whowas behind that. Well, you know,
in every government, everybody has theirown theory, everybody's got their own
favorite villain. Well, particularly thisweek, it started to believe it was
ten years ago that all of thathappened. Check out the new book.

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It's called Debunking Nine to Eleven Myths. Jim Makes. We thank you very
much for joining us today. FromPopular Mechanics. Great to be here.
Great. Now I'm going to playthe clip back again, this time with
breaks in between each theory that Jamesdebunks. These breaks, I will present

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you with the evidence that proves he'snot only wrong, but willfully lying.
Let's start by getting some perspective onPopular Mechanics and James Meg's and as a
side note, that book was firstpublished in two thousand and six. This
is a reprint with updates to attackthe nan Noo thermite theory. The semi

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official status of the Popular Mechanics bookis demonstrated by the fact that it was
endorsed by Condelisa Risa's State Department asproviding excellent material debunking nine to eleven conspiracy
theories. Popular Mechanics says of itselfthat it was ideally equipped to research the

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evidence about nine to eleven because ofits more than one hundred years of expertise
in science and technology. However,just before the magazine began working on nine
to eleven, the president of HurstMagazines, Kathleen Black, who was married
to an former employee of the CIAand the Department of Defense, replaced much

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of the staff, including the longtimecreative director and the editor in chief.
Moreover, one of the new membersof the staff, who described himself as
the senior researcher for the magazine's twothousand and five article about nine to eleven,
on which its two thousand and sixbook is based, was Benjamin Chertof,

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a cousin of the home of thehead of Homeland Security, Michael Chertof.
When Benjamin's mother was asked whether hewas related to Michael Chertof, she
said, yes, of course,he's his cousin. But the new editor
in Keith at Popular Mechanics, JamesMeg's, has tried to cast doubt on

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this connection. He misquotes her statement. Then he speaks of the odd coincidence
that the two men have the samelast name, and he allows only that
it's possible that ben and Michael aredistantly related. This is one of the

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unintentionally hilarious moments in this book,although Meg's claims that he and his crack
staff were able in just a fewmonths to discover the truth about why the
hijacked airliners were not intercepted, whythe three buildings came down, and what

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happened to at the Pentagon, andwhat happened to flight ninety three, they
could not discover whether a member oftheir own staff was related to the head
of Homeland Security. The moral ofthis discussion, in any case, is

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that none of these official or semiofficial reports can be assumed to be the
unvarnished truth about nine to eleven oranything close. However, many journalists treating
these reports as if they were authoritative, have been led to absurd conclusions.

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Who really is Jim Megs and whatis his scientific background? This seems a
fair question to ask of the manand his major media magazine, which are
both dedicated to bolstering the government explanationof the collapse, an explanation which has
been rejected by many real scientists.It might be something of a surprise that

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James Meg's, the editor of Popularrec Annex, has absolutely no scientific background
whatsoever, although he has a bachelor'sdegree in philosophy. Prior to becoming the
editor in chief at Hurst's Popular Mechanicsin two thousand and four, Meg's held
the following positions and then as soonas as soon as it switches the page

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here, I will be able toread off what his credentials for writing such
a detailed scientific article explaining to youhow the World Trade Center in Building seven
collapsed. The executive editor of NationalGeographics, Adventure Magazine, editor in chief

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and vice president of the now defunctPremier Magazine owned by Ronald O. Perlman
and Hatchett Publications, Inc. Editorof US Magazine nineteen ninety three to nineteen
ninety five, Senior editor of EntertainmentWeekly nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety three,
Editor of Video Review nineteen eighty sevento eighty nine, owned by the

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Washington Post. In nineteen eighty eight, he came out with a book entitled
How to Make Your Own Music Video, sold for nine dollars ninety cents from
Franklin Watts. That is his background. That is his amazing background about the

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scientific evidence. That's his background.He's gonna come at you with watch you're
gonna now you saw the video,You're gonna see me debuncant. Now break
it down. But I want youto understand the reason I put that together
is that's the background of the mancoming at you with quote unquote scientific proof
to prove these conspiracy theorists, thesescientists, these architects, these pilots,

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all these professionals and all these peoplethat were involved with firefighters that were involved
in nine to eleven truth. Oh, they're all whack jobs. And only
James Meg's with his illustrious scientific backgroundthat you just saw, he's the only
one that you can listen to.Apparently that's who the Council on Foreign Relations
wants you to listen to, andFox News and the major media outlets.

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Anyway, let's get to the videowhere it gets debunked and their official story
starts to get torn apart. Shallwe? Ten years after the September the
Eleventh attacks, wild conspiracy theories andmyths still persists. Countless books and websites

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are devoted claiming that the US governmentactually was involved in the terrible events of
that day. But now one bookit's proving all those conspiracy conspiracy theories are
wrong. Jim Meg's is the editorin chief of Popular Mechanics and the author
of the new book Debunking nine elevenMyths. Morning to you, Jim,
great to be here. You werehere back in two thousand and five,
where Popular Mechanics examine a bunch ofthe myths supposedly based on hard evidence,

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where the things come from initially,Well, you know, so many people.
They had a hard time believing themainstream view that that Al Kaeda terrorists
did this action, and a lotof people had their own favorite villain,
so they wanted to look at theevidence and come up with some other explanation
for what really happened. All right, let's go through some of them,
and I want you to expand onsome of them. First up, we'd
heard this air defenses were ordered tostand down. You said, that's not

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the case. Now, this isNorman Manetta was Secretary of Transportation from two
thousand and one to two thousand andsix. On the morning of September eleventh,
when the first plane struck the WorldTrade Center, Manetta headed to the
White House to enter the Presidential EmergencyOperations Center, or PEOC. At the
May two thousand and three hearing ofthe nine to eleven Commission, Manetta testified

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the following I wanted to focus justa moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center.
You were there for a good partof the day. I think you
were there with the Vice President,and we had that order given. I
think it was by the president thatauthorized shooting down of commercial aircraft that were

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suspected to be controlled by terrorists.Were you there when that order was given?
No, I was not. Iwas made aware of it during the
time. Then the airplane coming into the Pentagon, there was a young
man who would come in and sayto the Vice President, the plane is

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fifty miles out, the plane isthirty miles out, and when it got
down to the plane is ten milesout. The young man also said to
the Vice president, do the ordersstill stand? And the Vice President turned
and equipped his neck around and said, of course, the orders still stand.

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Have you heard anything to the contrary. Well, at the time,
I didn't know what all that meant. And the flight you're referring to is
the flight they came into the Pentagon. Yeah, And so I was not
aware that that discussion had already takenplace. But in listening to the conversation

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between the young man and the Vicepresident, then at the time I did
really recognize the significance of that.And then later I heard of the fact
that the airplanes had been scrambled.Let me see if I understand that the

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plane that was headed towards the Pentagonand was some miles away, there was
an order to shoot that plane down. Well, I don't know that specifically,
but I do that. Do knowthat the airplanes were scrambled from from
Langley or or from Norfolk, theNorthfolgaria and so, but I did not

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know about the orders specifically other thanlistening to that other conversation. But there
very clearly was an order to shootcommercial air crept I found that out.
What were the orders if they wereto intercept Flight seventy seven, why was
it allowed to strike the Pentagon's interesting. There are a number of experts who

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say that a missile or a militaryjet hit the Pentagon. We know it
was a jet, but where didthis missile thing come? One of the
first conspiracy theories, and there wasa best selling book in France on this,
saying it was some kind of acruise missile or something. This fell
apart once you really look into it. They found the records of the plane
in the Pentagon, they identified theDNA of the passengers, there's actually pictures

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of the wreckage, and yet ifyou go on websites you'll still see this
one repeat it also according to theofficial story of the eleventh of September,
at nine thirty seven am, AmericanAirlines Flight seventy seven crashed into the Pentagon.
This rare footage shows the scene immediatelyafter the impact, an hour before

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the entire structure collapsed. As youcan see, it is a rather unusual
scene. One would reasonably expect tosee something of this sort, that is
to say, pieces of the airplane, suitcases, debris everywhere, just like

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every other air crash on land.Instead, there is no substantial visual evidence
of debris. I have been onsome accident investigation since the Air Force,
and I have never come across anyaccident scene where there's no helltel evidence of
the airplane that crashed. Here,we have airplane sites, crash sites that

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given zero evidence. Where did theairplane go? Did it break up against
the wall of the Pentagon. Ifit had done so, thousands of parts
of the plane should have been scatteredall over the disaster. Say, you
know, things like engines and landinggears, brakes and tires are very difficult
to destroy, very difficult because they'rethey're made out of very high tempered steel.

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And I don't believe the airplane couldbe made to go fast enough to
pulverize those things. I've never seenthat happen before. Look around as a
sixteen foot hole for an airplane that'sone hundred and some people wide. To

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the official story, the American airlinesBowing seven five seven disappeared inside this hole.
Can you see it? Five metersI repeat five meters in diameter.
Let's make some calculations. Are Bowingseven five seven is including its wingspan,

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of course, thirty eight meters wide, and including the rudder or the tailfin,
it is thirteen and a half metershigh. To get all of this
huge aircraft into a hole five meterswide seems rather implausible to me. In

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this picture, we can see arow of windows on this side and another
row on that side. They shouldhave been smashed and destroyed by the wings,
and instead they're intact. These windowsaren't even broken. For years,
the military refused to answer the questionsof an increasing number of people who rejected
the official version. When the Frenchjournalist Thieri Meisson published the book The Incredible

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Lie, Utterly surreal, explanations wereput forward to shut the detractors up.
One of these maintained that the airplanehad been vaporized by the speed and the
force of the crash because of onevery strange thing that doesn't make sense.

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Is the disappearance of various components ofthis boeing, for example, the two
engines, And what about the plane'swings, Where did they go had they
been gasified? Instead, we aretold the fuselage remained intact, and it
smashed through the whole outer wall ofthe Pentagon and emerged through the other side,

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destroying a number of columns. Still, the most solid part of the
airplane is, without any doubt,the engines. In fact, these engines
are made of a titanium steel alloy. It is so tough that it doesn't

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even melt at three thousand degrees centigrade. Were well now in this wall,
we should be able to see,if nothing else, the holes made by
the two engines that smashed into it. No, there is no sign of
them. The two holes that we'dexpect to see are not there, and
there's no indication of the wings hittinganything. At the Pentagon like you had

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at the North Tower, you cansee the outline of the aircraft, the
twenty five degree bank angle, andclearly see the outline of the number one
engine. If it's a large numbertwo engine, it's a twenty five degree
bank. The wing thathedral is upin flight, and you can clearly see
the outline of the airplane, butyou can't find anything like that in the
Pentagon. These inconsistencies have created moreand more difficulties for the proponents of the

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official version. So while the militarykept silent during this debacle, various photos
of airplane debris found on the externallawns and along the supposed route of the
airplane within the building started appearing innewspapers and on the web. But very
well. They admitted there was nogasification. But another theory was immediately put
forward. It suggested that in orderto enter a whole five meters wide at

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a certain moment, the airplane somehowclosed up its wings, just as dragonflies
do. The plane entered the whole. Oh look there they are. The
engine and the other pieces of theplane were found there. One of my
experiences in the Army was being incharge of the Army's imagery interpretation for scientific

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and technical intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from
photographs, was my job. Ilook at the hole in the Pentagon,
and I look at the size ofan airplane that was supposed to have hit
the Pentagon. The plane does notfit in that hole. So what did

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hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What? What
air? Air is? What's goingon? General Arnold that very morning,

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immediately after that alleged impact, orderedone of his fighter pilots to fly over
and down to the Pentagon to lookand see what he saw and to report
back to General Larry Arnold himself.At that time, Major General Larry Arnold
was Commander of Aviation at NO atNorth American Aerospace Defense Command, in charge

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of protecting the United States and Canada. His fighter pilot reported back to him
that there was no evidence, zeroevidence of an impact of a plane at
the Pentagon. He's okay. Sincethe Pentagon possessed eighty six separate and complete

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video recordings of the incident, whydidn't they show some whole portions of them
to those people who had doubts aboutit. The FBI was immediately at the
scene and took the surveillance tapes andconfiscated eighty six videotapes, both in the
Pentagon, the Pentagon parking lot,in the gas station across the freeway from

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the Pentagon, in a nearby hotel, in all kinds of buildings that had
their cameras trained in that general area. For a long time, the military
authorities refused to release the footage ofFlight seventy seven's impact, but in two
thousand and six, the United StatesDepartment of Defense was forced to yield to
freedom of information requests and it releasedfour video sequences. The video evidence from

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the Pentagon Sitgo gas station and thenearby Sheraton Hotel are of no use,
but two samples of video footage capturedfrom the Pentagon's parking lot have been offered
to the world as definitive proof ofFlight seventy seven's impact with the Pentagon.
They're almost identified joan white smoke,you have some white smoke will come out

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half end of what are kind ofvehicle? Quite frankly, there was not
enough in those photographs to tell exactlywhat it was. Well, you can
tell what it wasn't, and itwasn't didn't have the size as compared if
it was a real seven fifty seventwo hundred, it would be much bigger
than the vehicle we see. Dosee the picture with the best will in

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the world. Can you see anairplane here? The Pentagon tells us you
cannot see the aeroplane because Unfortunately,it passed between one frame and the next,
the one frame and the next.So where is the aeroplane? According

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to FBI agent Jacqueline MacGuire, asyou can see in this affidavit, only
one camera took pictures of the scene, and those are the frames that we've
already seen. The story of howthis airplane is supposed to have got that
is absolutely absurd. One cannot imaginehow in order to get down to the

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height of the Pentagon Wall it wasable to make a two hundred and seventy
degree turn at a speed of approximatelyeight hundred kilometers per hour. That is

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a really difficult maneuver. And whatI will say to you is that an
experienced pilot with thousands of hours probablywould have to take between ten and twenty
attempts skill thousands of our pilots probablyten or twenty times before they would be
able to pull off that over.Seven fifty seven is not designed to do

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that. Seven fifty seven is designedto be basically a cruise ship in the
sky. It's not acrobatic, soyou just can't do that with one of
those big aeroplanes. The air trafficcontrollers at the Dallas Approach control. When
they saw this target come in andmake this turn, they said, oh,
that's a fighter, because military fighterscan do that, okay, and

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military fighters with autopilots and being flownremotely, they have the structural capability they
are designed to be able to bethat acrobaticsurdities. There is also the height

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at which this aeroplane was flying tobe explained. It is supposed to have
followed the live the land at sixmeters from the ground for one kilometer,
managing also to jump over a hill. Then it went over a roadway and
it finally got there without making anyother turns because by now there was no

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more space. They have the airplay the story as the flight seventy seven
was going five hundred and thirty milesan hour four hundred and sixty knots,
and it can't go that fast andlevel flight down that low. They're up

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high. The true are speak cango up and it can go that fast,
but not down low. It's theair is too dents. I challenge
any pilot, any pilot anywhere,give him a Boing seven five seven,
tell him to do four hundred knotstwenty feet about the ground for half a
mile. Don't do it aerodynamically.So the story of how it is just

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a make any sense at all ifyou gotta after honey handro the plane's pilot
had been identified, his flight instructordeclared that his student was not even able
to fly a small, single engineaeroplane. These guys didn't have the experience

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to make that kind of maneuver.Even if the airplane could fly, that
the man would not fly at all. There's no way he could possibly come
out of a one seventy two andby a jet you've never flown before.
That's like showing me how to carveup the Christmas turkey and then say go
make a heart transplant crystal. Evenif we suppose that such an incompetent pilot

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had the opportunity to fly a Bowingseven five seven, we still have to
ask usselves how we managed to violatethe most heavily protected air space in the
world. No untracked aircraft yet nearthe Pentagon, in the near the White

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House, it just doesn't happen.In Worston, DC, we have one
of the most restricted airspaces in theworld. It's called P fifty six.
It has a separate radar tracking systemin a separate military response system. P.
Fifty six is that restricted airspace thatis around the Pentagon and the White
House, and it is a highly, highly highly sensitive area. There are

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supposed to be no unknown aircraft thatcan go through there. That has a
air defense identification zone in a fiftymile radius around DC, and then it
has a protected zone seventeen miles aroundthe Worston Monument and an inner protected zone
three miles around the Capitol. Thatspace is essentially unbreachable. It has to

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be because of the importance of thebuildings there. It's like it's like an
aviation no man's land. Nobody goesin there. Nobody. They have sixteen
and f eighteen jets at Andrew's AirForce Base about ten miles south of DC.
They also have one hundred and thirteenthNational Guard Air Wing at Anacosta Naval
Air Station that can send scrambled jetsup in a very short period of time.

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Both are in place that day.Neither one responds at all until after
the Pentagon has hit. In additionto that, the Pentagon has its own
defenses. If a plane, anykind of a plane was coming in towards
the Pentagon, why didn't the antiaircraft missiles batteries that are there, why
didn't they fire to protect the building? Just as after all, the most

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heavily protected building on the planet,that craft to have been a military craft
because only the military craft put outa signal it's called an identified friend or
fox IF device, and only themilitary craft would be allowed to approach the

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building. The two radar systems thatthe military radars defensive radar systems read are
a civilian transponder and a military transponder. Military transponder is called If civilian aircraft
do not have an IF transponder,they are not given that capability. Okay,

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So if there was a seven fiftyseven American seven fifty seven that went
into the Pentagon, for example,and it shut off it's transponder, it
didn't have a military IF transponder onit, so it was a primary target.
As a primary target going into thatairspace should have been shut down.

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But I'm a described having to youis a breakdown and standard operating procedure by
FAA, nor AD P fifty sixand the Pentagon, all on the same
day in the middle of after nineoh five. What was known nationally to
be a terrorist attack, and itmakes no sense. Noddy is, after
all, the most heavily protected buildingon the planet. The Pentagon symbolizes our

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military power in the world. Theyhad hit it, and to this day
nobody knows what they hit it with, whether there was an airplane or where
there was a missile, and ourgovernment will never tell us. We just
kept wait for the French to explainit hid what's going on. There is

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nobody anywhere, at any point inthis entire investigation that has said that is
positively American seventy seven. They supposeit, they presume it, they assume
it, They say, this iswhat we think it is. Flight ninety
three was hit by air to airmissile and it wasn't. Some expert who
supposedly was with the North Dakota AirNational Guard said he's the guy who pulled

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the trigger. Well, there wasthere was somebody who claimed that he could
identify the guy was it was anoutrageous smear on an actual officer and not
the case at all. And thenone other very dramatic things that our local
troops are doing and believe it ornot, at the request of the White
House. This is what's so interestingabout living and working in Washington, DC.

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The Mayor called upon the Army NationalGuard to do several things, and
the White House also called out theDC Air National Guard earlier today and F
sixteen fighter aircraft from the one hundredthirteenth Wing of the DC Air National Guard
was actually called upon to intercept asecond aircraft that was perceived to be yet

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enough their threat to the Pentagon.They aren't giving any details as to exactly
how they deterred that plane. Perhapsthey'll be able to share that with us
as the day to go by,and it's not such a sensitive situation,
but in any case, it ispossible if there was a second aircraft that
was headed towards the Pentagon, andbecause of the dcir National Guard, that

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situation was taken care of. Higherin the skies. The DC Air National
Guard flew F six teams for airdefense. One of those F six teams
was requested by the White House andhelped deter a second suspicious plane that appeared
to be headed for the Pentagon.There was a second airplane that was approaching

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the Pentagon and they went up todiscourage anything happening there. They want to
take our viewers live to Shanksville,Pennsylvania. Our Brian Cabell is standing by
this course of the site where UnitedAirlines Flight ninety three, craft on its
way from New Work to San Francisco, crashed on Tuesday, and understand in
this investigation there's some breaking news,Brian. Look can you tell us well,

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Darren. In the last hour orso, the FBI and the state
police here have confirmed that they havecordoned off a second area about six to
eight miles away from the crater herewhere there's plane went down. This is
apparently another debris site, which raisesa number of questions. Why would debris
from the plane and they identified itspecifically as being from this plane. Why
would debris relocated six miles away?Could it have blown that far away?

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Seems highly unlikely. Almost all thedebris found at this site is within a
hundred yards two hundred yards away,so it raises some questions. We don't
want to over speculate, of course, but there were some cell phone callers,
one cell phone caller in particular whosaid he saw a bomb or something
that looked like a bomb with oneof the hijackers. Also a man who
took over the plane apparently announced thatat one point he had there was a

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bomb on board the plane. Soagain we don't want to speculate it,
We don't want to jump to conclusions. But what we do know is that
there is a site about a halfmile behind me where the plane went down,
where most of the debris is,and then about six miles away up
by a LA, there is anotherarea that's been cordoned off and state police
and the FBI have said definitely thereis debris from the plane located there.

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We have a crew on the wayright now. We should have pictures of
that a little bit later on.In the meantime, the search here goes
on, eighty searchers going foot byfoot combing the area looking for evidence.
They have not yet found the blackbox, Darren, which was my first
question, so I'll move on tomy next one, Brian. We don't
want to speculate about this large debrisfield, but it seems to me,
from covering an number of plane crasheson on the theme that if nothing else,

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you can say, this is nottypical for a plane crash to be
spread across an area this large.It certainly doesn't make sense because most of
the debris has been found in avery compact area, within one hundred yards
two hundred yards, maybe a littlebeyond that. And then all of a
sudden, they're telling us, sixmiles away they have another concentration of debris.
They say, it's very small pieces. Most of these are very small

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pieces. Most of the pieces hereare no bigger than the size of a
briefcase, they say, and thepieces six miles away maybe even smaller than
that. They have talked to anumber of individuals here, they say,
they have talked to people who sawthis plane during the final moments. They
haven't confirmed whether they saw they talkto anybody who saw this plane actually land
or crash rather, and as towhether it broke up on the way,
we don't know that. FBI isbeing very tight lipped about that, but

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again, it leads to that possibility. It certainly leads to a number of
questions. You mentioned they have yetto find the black Fox. It would
seem to me, when you comparethe four plane crashes of Tuesday, this
would be the site where they wouldbe most likely to find a black box.
That's what they told us initially,and I think they're somewhat disappointed they
haven't found it. It's been fortyeight hours, but they are still hopeful
they will find it. There isa pond nearby this particular site. They

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may have to send divers into thepond. They haven't done that yet,
but conceivably it could be in thepond, it could be anywhere. It
could be at this other debris site. They've also found some other debris scattered
around this area. They say,in fact, some individuals have been collecting
it. Again, we're talking aboutvery very tiny parts. The biggest part
they found at this site is anengine an engine part, and most of
the other pieces are probably no biggerthan this particular notebook, so again,

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very small pieces. They had hopedto find the black box by now,
they're still voicing optimism they will findit. It's not an assignment I would
wish on anybody, but I wouldsay that you would have to have in
a time like that to appreciate whatthat looks like when a plane comes crashing
into the ground and basically just dropsout of the sky. Brian Cabell and
Shanksville, Pennsylvania, thank you verymuch. Standing there watching on TV,

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and the lights flickered in the buildingabout that time we heard the engines roar,
and we took off out of thebuilding. As we were coming up
from the office out through the building, the ground shook and we heard,
you know, a big boom.Looked over and said, a big ball
fire up in the air. LikeI said, probably within within forty five

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seconds or a minute of impact werethat we were there. We were there
before any fireman, any paramedics,or anybody. We were on site.
When we got there, there wasa plane flying up above, and he
was smart. He flew straight forthe sun, so you couldn't you couldn't
look at it and see exactly whattype of plane or if it was a
fighter, or what it was.But you know, we caught a glimpse

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of it, and as he wasswinging, he was basically traveling in the
same direction as the plane. Hewas in Atlanta, And that was this
past past winter. Was in Yamahatraining and I was sitting there talking everybody.
Of course, asked where you're from, Where you're from, introduce yourself
to everybody in the classroom. Andof course now we just say Shanksville,

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we're a plane crash, and everybodyknows where we're at. So I was
sitting there talking to another guy.And when I was telling about you know,
he said, did you see theplane crash and whatever? It was
you there or anything. I toldhim the whole story. And I was
explaining to him about whenever we werestanding in the office and the lights flicker
and everything. And there was anothergentleman sitting in the room in front of

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me that was retired from the AirForce. And as soon as he heard
me say that, he immediately stoppedme and he said, tell me this.
And I told him and he says, well, I'm retired from the
Air Force. He said that planewas down And I said why and he
said, because whenever the lights flickered, they zapped the radar frequency on everything

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before they shoot. And he said, that's why your lights flickered. Your
lights didn't flicker from the impact.Your lights flickered because they zapped the radar
system before they shot it. Ina sense, if we imagine the kind
of world we would face if thepeople who bombed the nest Ball and Mosely,

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or the people who did the bombingin Spain, or the people who
attacked the United States in New Yorkshot down the plane over Pennsylvania and shot
down the plane over Pennsylvana. Shotdown the plane over Pennsylvane. Shot down
the plane over Pennsylvana. Twenty eightminutes after the World Trade Center attack,
f sixteens from the Air National Guardsone nineteenth fighter wing were bearing down on

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Washington at the speed of sound.Go here, fass, it's pretty much
so we went there fast and setup a CAP right over Washington, DC.
These are two of the three pilotswho set up that CAP or combat
air patrol over Washington for security.We're not using their names, just their

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call signs, Lou and Honey.You can tell from the tone of the
voice, the tone of the radiocalls, and we were at war.
One call I asked, essentially itwas a Pentagon. The quick it confirmed
the Pentagon was on fire, andwe let them know that. You see
the west side of the Pentagon,and at that point it was in golfed

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in flames. There was a bigspoken hall there which you know it was.
There was a sight, if I'llever forget. They reached the Pentagon
twelve minutes after it was hit,but United Flight ninety three was still speeding
towards Washington. There would be plentyof time at least twenty minutes for the
F sixteens to intercept Flight ninety three. The next thing the fighters knew,

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someone they believed was with the SecretService was on the radio wanting to know
what kind of missiles they were carrying. In terms of guns in the air,
they wanted to know what was availableto them. Yes, it was
a garbled radio call, so itwasn't It wasn't clear so exactly what was
said, but it was something toan effect of keep planes away from the

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house or something like that. Theydidn't know exactly what it was. It
was garbled and they meant what keepplanes away from the lighthouse. They didn't
know it at the time, butthe president had authorized them to shoot down
United ninety three. That's not somethingyou've ever trained for shooting down a civilian
airliner. No, could you havedone that? Well, I mean,

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if it's a law florder authenticated appropriately, it's yeah, something you probably would
had it done, Probably would havedouble triple check the authentication and confirmed with
your flight numbers to make sure I'mI hearing this right. But that's what
you had to do. When yougot the order to do it, you
do it. You got to trustthe people controlling you on the ground of

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more pieces of the puzzle than youhave up there, and you just got
to trust them that what they're tellingyou to do is correct. Yeah,
I'm sure you've thought this over.You would have pulled the trigger. Well,
yeah, I would have. You'veworked as an airline pilot. It
just strikes me as the most terribleorder that Manner n F sixteen could ever

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get. Yeah, we do.How many times do we hear that Building
seven was professionally demolished? And thatwas a tough one because because that building
was not hit by a plane inthe end, it was it was proven
that it was the result of prolongedfires that weakened the internal structure of the

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building. And of course Rosie O'Donnellfamously said, and with that, it's
the first time in history the firemelted steel. A lot of people had
a hard time understand how buildings couldfall down as a result of fire.
But what we found is it doesn'ttake temperature high enough to melt steel.
It just has to heat up thesteel so it expands and then softens and
weakens the structure until it collapses.Okay, and I lost my husband,

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still in my Uncle few September eleventh, two thousand and one. Most people
don't know a third tower fell thatday. The government says fire brought it
down. The collapse the World TradeCenter seven was primarily due to fires.
I, along with fourteen hundred otherarchitects and engineers, have found the government's
conclusion to be physically impossible, possiblyimpossible. We need the truth about what

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happened that day. Go to RememberBuilding seven dot org, why it film,
why it matters, and what youcan do. In nineteen eighty four,
construction began on World Trade Center Buildingseven, a forty seven story office
building three hundred feet away from theNorth Tower. It opened to the pub
in nineteen eighty seven and housed officesfor Department of Defense Internal Revenue Service and

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was also the Secret Service's largest fieldoffice. Building seven was considered the Central
Intelligence Agency's largest station outside of Washington, DC. The details of the office's
functions remain classified. The Securities andExchange Commission was also using the building to
store three to four thousand files relatedto their investigations, and of course they

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have no record of what those fileswere. On June eighth, nineteen ninety
nine, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's Office ofEmergency Management Command Center on the twenty third
floor is opened. The new facilityis located in downtown Manhattan, across the
street from the World Trade Center's twintowers. The command center on the twenty

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third floor is bulletproof and bomb resistant, with its own air supply and generators.
It's linked to city airports, theCoast Guard and the Pentagon. Computers
will soon have tailed blueprints of everymajor building in New York City, as
well as evacuation roots. Hurricanes andheat waves would be handled here, as
well as terrorist attacks. Though NewYork officials say their facility is not impenetrable,

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their confident and could handle even theworst crisis imaginable Deborahaeric for CNN New
York. On the morning of nineto eleven, before the first plane strikes,
the North Tower, Building seven's alarmsystem was unexpectedly placed on test status
at six forty seven am for ascheduled period of eight hours. This normally

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occurs during maintenance, and any firealarms from the building were to be disregarded.
After the second plane strikes, theSouth Tower, Building seven's power was
deliberately shut off and its tenants evacuated. Following the collapse of the North Tower.
Almost all of the surrounding World TradeCenter buildings were completely destroyed, but

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the structures remained standing. Building three, a twenty two story building directly below
the twin towers, was split inhalf by the South towers collapse. Although
the building was severely crushed by fallingdebris, the structure remained standing. Building
four, a nine story building eastof the South tower, was almost completely
flattened, the remaining structure did notcollapse. Building five, a nine story

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building east of the North tower,suffered from severe fires and structural damage.
Building six, an eight story buildingbetween the North Tower and Building seven,
suffered a giant gouge in its roofand severe fires. Neither Building five or
six suffered a collapse. Neither didthe Deutsche Bank building, which stands to

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this day and is currently being demolishedbeam by beam. Neither did the Millennium
Hotel across the street. Building seven, a forty seven story office building hundred
feet away, burns controllably over afew floors and suffers structural damage to its
south face before collapsing completely to theground at near free fall speed. The

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collapse of Building seven was rarely reportedon the day of and after nine eleven.
Yeah, it's very strange that thatwas not even hit by a jet
and then it falls very rapidly andessentially straight down into its foot cren Although
the collapse of Building seven was clearlya phenomena and further investigation was needed,

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the building steel was removed from thesite and destroyed. No pieces were recovered
from the debris or analysis. However, thema's volunteer investigators revealed after their limited
studies that some pieces of steel fromthe rubble of Building seven experienced something never
before seen in an office fire.Some pieces of steel had large holes burned

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through them, evidence that a hightemperature corrosive material had formed and burned through
the beams, suggesting temperatures of overone thousand degrees celsius were present. But
what the Worster Polytechnic Institute scientists reportedwas that steel, as they looked at
it, using similar methods to whatwe've used on the red grade chips,

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is there electron microscope methods and Xray EDS methods. They found high temperature
indication in very high temperatures oxidation andsulfidation sulfur in the steel. Yet this
phenomenon will not be mentioned again,either by FEMA or other agencies investigating the

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collapse. Now, let's fast forwardto August of last year, two thousand
and eight, NIST finally came outwith their preliminary report. Now it's very
interesting. They ruled out diesel fuelfires, they said it is due,
and they also ruled out any typeof fatal damage from the towers collapsing,

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particularly the North tower, which isacross the street Bessie Street, I think,
and so there's some damage, sure, but they ruled out it was
not fatal and it did not contributeto the initiation of the collapse. That's
what NIS says, and I agreewith that. When questioned at a public
comment session after the draft's release,NIST was forced to acknowledge that the collapse

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of WTC seven experienced a period offree fall for one hundred five feet.
That is acceleration at thirty two pointtwo feet per second square, which is
just dropping a ball in a vacuum, and that's how fast it accelerates.
Finally, in their final report theyhave this agreement, having been with Chandler

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and with my comment also that therewas indeed acceleration, not just constant speed
and acceleration at the acceleration should dueto gravity, in other words, free
fall. And they even mentioned freefallfor about one hundred and five feet that's
about eight stories. Now, thatmeans, according to what they had previously

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said in August, which is correctearlier August twenty six, nothing is in
the way of the roof. NothingNow you can see in the videos there's
a lot of floor is still intactas the roof is as moving as a
block. So somewhere down below there'sabout eight floors that have been obliterated.
I mean, you can't just havethe floor is sitting there stationary, because

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that would be mass in the wayand that would slow this acceleration down.
Nothing's in the way. The onlyway I can see how to do that
is with controlled demolition with explosives toremove that. That's what you do,
and control demolition. You get allthis material out of the way, then
the upper block travels at close tofreefall. In this case, at freefall.

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It's really amazing. It's funny Stephenwould mention explosives and material being removed.
Two eyewitnesses independently claimed to News channelson nine to eleven that they experienced
an explosion inside the lower levels ofBuilding seven. The first one is Michael
Hess, who went on to UPNnine News around eleven fifty nine am oil

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refineries in Louisiana. When we haveFrank you Cierto Beck on the phone splenda
with some New York City officials.Frank, go ahead, that's right.
I'm standing here right now to goBroadway by City Hall with Michael Hess,
who is the city's corporation Council.Mister Hess, who were trapped and I
believe seven World Trade Center, goahead, Yes, I was. I
was up in the emergency management centeron the twenty third floor and when all

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the power went out of the building, another gentleman and I walked down to
the eighth floor where there was anexplosion, and we'd be trapped on the
eighth floor with smoke, thick smokeall around us for about an hour and
a half. But the New YorkFire Department, as terrific as they are,
just came and got us south.And the second is Barry Jennings,
who went on to E seven shortlyafternoon. We're gonna bring more of those

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two you now Barry Jennis, you'reon the eighth floor. You worked for
the City Housing Department, explained tome the moment of impact. Well,
Lee and mister Hesh, the CorporationCouncil were on the twenty third floor.
I told him we got to getget out of here. We started walking
down the stage. We madeto theeighth floor. Big explosion. Lewis back
into the eighth floor and I turnedto Hesh. I said, this is

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it. We're dead. We're notgonna make it out here. I took
a fire extinguisheer and I bust awindow out. That's when this journal just
gentleman hit heard my cries for help. We tracked Barry down in June two
thousand and seven to interview him andhopefully elaborate on his experience. All Right,
my name is Barry Jennings. I'mfifty two years old. I've worked

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for thirty three years in one location. Basically, I said, I'm married,
father of four. It was veryu funny. I was on my
way to work, traffic was excellent. I received the call and a small
session I had hit the World FateCenter. Jactag and Man the Office of

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Emergency Management at the world. Fateset a seventh on the twenty third floor.
As I arrived there, they werepolice on the lobby. They showed
me the way to the elevator.We got up to the twenty third floor,
me and mister Hess, who Ididn't know it was mister Hess at
the time. We got to thetwenty third floor, we couldn't get in.
We had to go back down.Then security and police took us to

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the freight elevators. When they tookus back up and we did get in.
Upon arriving into the om EOC,we noticed that everybody was gone.
I saw a coffee that was onthe desk still the smoke was still coming
up the corfee I saw. Isaw half eaten sandwiches, and only me

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mister Hess was up there. AfterI called several individuals. One individual told
me that to leave and leave rightaway. Mister Hess came running back in
and said, we're the only onesup here. We gotta get out of
here. He found the stairwell.When we reached the eighth or the sixth
floor, the landing that we werestanding on gateway. There was an explosion

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and the landing gave way and Iwas left there hanging. I had to
climb back up, and now Ihad to walk back up to the eighth
floor. After getting to the eighthfloor, everything was dark. It was
dark, and it was very veryhigh, very high. I asked mister
Hester testaphones as I took a fireextinguisher and broke out the windows. Once

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I broke out the windows, Icould see outside below me. I saw
police cars on fire, busses onfire. I looked one way, bill
was there. I looked the otherway. It was gone. I was
trapped in there for several hours.I was trapped in there. When both

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buildings came down. The firefighters came. They came to the window and they
because I was gonna come out onthe fire hose. I didn't want to
stay there. They it was toohot. I was gonna come out on
the fire holes. And they cameto the window. They said, they
started yelling, do not do that. You won't hold you. And then
they ran away. See, Ididn't know what was going on. That's

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when the first tower fell. Whenthey started running, the first tower was
coming down, I had no Ihad no way of knowing that. Then
I saw them come back. NowI saw them come back with more concern
on their faces, and then theyran away again. The second tower fell.
So when as they turned and ranthe second time, the guys said,

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don't We'll be back for you.And they did come back this time.
They came back with ten firefighters andthey kept asking where are you?
We don't know where you are.I said, I'm on the north side
of the building, because when Iwas on the stairs, I saw north
side. All this time, I'mhearing all types of explosions. All this

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time, I'm hearing explosives, andI'm thinking that maybe it's the busters around
me that I was on fire,the cars on fire. I don't see
nold, you know, but I'mstill hearing these explosives. I think.
When they finally got to us andthey took us down to what what they

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they called the lobby because I askedhim, I said, when we got
down there, I said, whereare we? He said, this was
the lobby, and I said,you gotta be kidding me. It was
total ruins. Total was I keepin mind when I came in there,
lobby had nice escalators. It's ahuge lobby, and for me to see
what I saw was unbelievable. Andthe fire fire that took us down.

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Kept saying, do not look down, and I kept saying why. I
said, do not look down?And we stepping over people, and you
know, you could feel when you'restepping over people. They took us out
through a hole that the I don'tknow who made this hole in this wall.
That's how they got us out.They took us out through a hole
through the wall to safety. Theywere taking me out when fire fire had

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fallen. I believe he was havinga heart attack. But before that,
this big giant police officer came tome and he says, you have to
run. I said, I can'trun. My knees is swallenly. He
said, you're gonna have to geton your knees and crawling. He said,
because we have reports of more explosions. And that's when I started crawling

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and I saw this guy fall behindme and his comrades came into his aid.
They dragged into safety. I waslooking for an ambulance for my knees,
and at that time they told mewe gotta walk twenty blocks to a
too refuge before I got there.All right, with this news grabbed me.

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I started eighth viewing me. Oh, that's basically it. This is
where the story takes a turn forthe worst. In late August two thousand
and eight, comments began appearing onYouTube videos of Barry's testimony, claiming he
had passed away on August nineteenth,two thousand and eight, two days before
NIST releases its draft report on WTCseven, which directly contradicts Bario's testimony and

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claims that no explosions occurred inside thebuilding. They explicitly claim there were no
witnessed reports of such a loud noise. To date, the only publicly available
information is that Barry was in perfecthealth before suddenly being admitted to the hospital
and subsequently passing away on August nineteenth, two thousand and eight. A private

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investigator, when hired to investigate thedisappearance of Barry Jennings, replied, due
to some of the information I haveuncovered, I have determined that this is
a job for the police. Ihave refunded your credit card. Please do
not contact me again concerning this individual. In conclusion, two men inside World

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Trade Center Building seven, a skyscraperthat housed numerous government agencies whose duties are
unknown to the public, are almostkilled by an explosion before either of the
twin towers fell, although it isdamaged far less than any other surrounding World
Trade Center buildings. At five twentypm it collapses into its own footprint,
experiencing one hundred five feet of freefalland barely damaging surrounding structures, and the

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official government report, which takes almostseven years to write, says it was
all due to fire. The newthings in this particular update that you've got
is there are some guys who claimto have collected some air samples and in
that air sample was what some dust. They call it nanothermite. Now,
thermite is a compound that if youapply in a certain way, it can

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actually melt metal in certain conditions.And they're claiming they've given up on the
idea there were bombs in the building. That was the original theme. Now
they're saying, oh, there wassome kind of nano thermite, and of
course you talked to demolition experts.The whole idea is ridiculous. But what
it shows is how the conspiracy theorieskeep evolving as one gets knocked down.
They never changed the conclusions, theyjust come up with new evidence. Now

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they're literally claiming their best evidences grainsof dust found in the street near the
ground. Zerio Mist admitted in Apriltwo thousand and seven that they are unable
to provide a full explanation of thetotal collapse, and also that they conducted
no tests for explosive residue. Luckily, somebody has My name is Janette McKinley.

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I was a resident of Lower Manhattan, living directly across the street from
the World Trade Center on September eleventh. I've been living there for four years.
I loved living there. When Ithink back about it, it's really
the time of my life. Andso on September eleventh, I was able

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to I was writing emails. Iwas sitting at my computer boom. I
could immediately see the flames. Iwas close enough that I could literally just
turn my head and there it was, with the building burning. I was
with my friend Jim Letchie. Wewatched everything out the window. He was

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fixated taking photographs, and whenever Imentioned leaving, he never wanted to leave.
He said to me, this ishistory. Don't you realize we are
watching history happen. You know,we're part of history. Why would we
leave. I was in the kitchen, I was in my kitchen. I

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had flowers in my hand and thebuilding starts coming down. Our windows blew
in. He came red across theapartment. Get out of here. The
building is coming down. Well,it sounded like it was coming down on
us. That cloud that there wasa debris cloud created by the when the

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tower to fell, it created adebris cloud which became part of our life
because it just burst in our windowat fifty miles an hour. That whole
cloud just came bursting in. Andmany people were wanting to investigate whether the

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collapses were actually controlled demolitions as manypeople thought on the very day, even
the news commentators thought they were controlleddemolitions. So there was a lot of
controversy about whether they were or not. And friends of mine that knew that
I had the desk were also newA scientist Stephen Jones at b YU.

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My name is doctor Stephen Jones.I have a PhD in physics from Vanderbilt
University nineteen seventy eight. Have aBachelor of Science degree from Brigham Young University
nineteen seventy three. I graduated Magnakomb Wadi. Went after PhD work,

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I did postdoctoral work at Los AlamosMason Physics Facility in June two thousand and
seven. I was examining death samplewhich I had obtained from Jeanette McKinley.
I was using a loop and alsojust looking at it with my eyes and

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an ordinary optical microscope, although stereoso that I could see better in three
dimensions. And what I was achip that looked like it might be a
pain chip. I mean, earlyon us thinking maybe not too interesting,
but this chip was rather striking inits appearance. It had some an orange

(01:22:15):
red color first of all, andthen I've found several of these and they
all had some gray material adhering tothe side of the red material, so
layered. Later we found multiple layers, but most of these chips have two
layers red gray. I did takeone of these chips then to the electron
microscope, the scanning electron microscope,and we looked at it with the electron

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microscope, and then we used asystem where we could determine the elements.
What we found in the red materialis a combination of aluminum and iron oxide,
and these are the components of termites. Of course, now we looked
with an electron microscope. We lookeddeeper and deep for a higher and higher

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magnification. And I pulled in acolleague of mine, doctor Jeffrey Fair.
He's an expert on the electron microscopemachine. So he actually broke a piece
off of one of these red chips, and then later he did four different
samples. Broke a piece off thatgives you a fresh surface because in the
dusk there's all sorts of stuff.There's a zinc and titanium and calcium,

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all sorts of stuff. So hebroke off a tip, you see,
so we could look at a freshsurface. And then once you see in
all four samples that we studied inthis detail, carbon which is significant,
oxygen, iron, and aluminum.We looked at this and these again are

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the ingredients except for the carbon.And we found that experimenters working with super
thermite, trying to beef it up, make it more explosive, tailoring it
to different weapons applications, they wouldhave a silicon in there and an organic
material which means a carbon, soa polymer such as viton they would add

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to this to give it the propertiesthey wanted. So that fit. Now.
See, that was surprising to meto see silicon and carbon. But
then we find in the literature that'swhat these guys are doing in the weapons
labs liver More, in loss alimos, they're adding organic because that gives you
a gas production when the thermite goesoff. Now you also have gas production,

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which gives you the explosive force.For instance, I suggested that we
take a sample of this red graychip material and run it through a very
sensitive instrument called a differential scanning calorimeter, and he did that. What it
does, you heat the temperature slowlyand a material will react if it's going

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to and if it reacts and producesheat, you'll get a spike in your
calorimeter. And then if it reactsquickly, it'll be a narrow spike.
If it, say, burns overa long period of time, you'll see
a big broad spike. And thetotal area there is the total amount of
energy released, and it gives youa lot of information what we found.

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What dark Fair found first, andhe was real excited when he told me
about this. He took one ofthese chips and he put it in the
differential scanning calorimeter and sure enough,it went off at right about four hundred
and thirty centigrade. But more importantly, the peak was high, which means
a lot of energy released and narrow, which means, in his terms,

(01:25:38):
it blew up. You know.He said, man, this is this
stuff blows up. It behaves justlike nanote. It has the ingredients of
nanotherrmite. He said, well,there should be in a thermite reaction,
you should produce molten iron. Soyou should see some spheres of iron and
think of a spraying water in theair, and you get droplets that are

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more or less spherical because the surfacetension pulls the liquid into us here.
It's very simple. Same thing withmolten iron from the thermitic reaction, whether
it's ordinary conventional thermite or the supernano thermite. Either way you get this
molten iron, and you should getthese droplets of iron. So we said,

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we got to look for those.You know, if you don't find
those, maybe who knows what itis. But we got to find droplets
of molten iron. Otherwise we're notsure we had the thermite reaction thermitic reaction.
In this case it's a nano thermite. So we looked and wow at
a beautiful sight. As you lookat this after the red materials reacted.

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There are these little spheres, justtons of them. We compared are the
traces that we got in this sophisticatedcalorimeter with traces obtained with known thermite is
republished data, and our peak isactually narrower. I mean this stuff goes

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off with very rapidly and with amore energy also then had been reported by
these other researchers working with nano thermite. As if explosive residue in the dust
was not enough. There are otherdisturbing aspects of the Twin Towers collapse.
Both the North and South tower collapsedat nearly free fall speed one hundred ten

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stories, reducing itself to a pileof twisted steel and pulverized concrete and building
materials in approximately ten seconds. Thetwin towers combined contained almost five hundred thousand
tons of concrete. This was turnedinto particles the size of talcum powder,
blanketing Lower Manhattan in a fine dust. Supposedly, who is behind that,

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Well, you know, we goteverybody has their own theory, everybody's got
their own favorite villain. Well,particularly this week, it started to believe
it was ten years ago then allof that happened. Check out the new
book. It's called Debunking nine elevenMyths. Jim Megs, We thank you
very much for joining us today fromPopular Mechanics. Great to be here,
great. All right, now,let's watch the piece from September seventh,

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twenty eleven. It aired on FoxBusiness Network, starring Fox anchor Eric Bowling
and and Coulter. Eric Bowling wasa trader on Wall Street and he also
served at New York MS Board ofDirectors for five years before working for Fox.

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And Coulter is a paid commentator onFox or she was at the time,
and is the same person who statedafter the Fukushima nuclear disaster that quote
radiation is good for you unquote.Watch as they play up the far left
right, lie and push the falseidea that nine to eleven Truth is a

(01:29:08):
liberal organization. This piece is nothingbut an ad hominant attack on nine to
eleven truth, and I will dissectit truth. There's a group of liars
that have been insulting my friends thatdied on that day, the families of
every victim, and our country forthe last ten years are still trying to
get people to listen to their ridiculoustheories. The intellectual leadership of the nine

(01:29:31):
to eleven Truth movement is now exercisedby scientists and other professionals who definitely know
something about the real world. Manyof these professionals have formed organizations dedicated to
discovering and publicizing the truth about nineto eleven. A few years ago,

(01:29:55):
some scientists formed SPINE, the Scientificpain annel for the investigation of nine to
eleven. Other scientists more recently formedScholars for nine eleven Truth and Justice,
the main work of which has beencarried out by physicists and chemists. Shortly
thereafter, detractors of the movement saidthat if there were any validity to these

(01:30:21):
scientists claims about the World Trade Center, they would be able to get papers
published in peer reviewed scientific journals.During the past year, scientists affiliated with
Scholars for nine eleven Truth and Justicehave published three papers in peer reviewed scientific

(01:30:45):
journals. The first author of themost recent of these papers, which appeared
in the Open Chemical Physics Journal,is Niels Herron, a chemistry professor at
the University of Copenhagen. These scientists, who know something about the chemical constituents

(01:31:08):
of the real world, report findingmany elements in the World Trade Center dust
that should not be there if theofficial theory according to which nothing but fire
and gravity brought the buildings down weretrue. A few years ago, after

(01:31:32):
some physicists and chemists had joined themovement, detractors said they don't really count.
The question of what brought down theWorld Trade Center is a question for
engineers, and your movement doesn't haveany That was true in two thousand and
five, But the following year architectRichard Gage formed Architects and Engineers for nine

(01:31:59):
to eleven Truth, and by nowover six hundred and fifty licensed architects and
engineers have signed a petition saying thatthe official theory cannot be true and we
need a new investigation. These arepeople who know about that part of the
real world constituted by steel frame highrise buildings, and they know that the

(01:32:26):
official story according to which fires causedthe Twin Towers and Building seven to come
straight down in virtual freefall, cannotbe true. For example, Jack Keller,
emeritus professor of engineering at Utah StateUniversity, who had been given special
recognition some years back by Scientific American, has said that about the collapse of

(01:32:53):
Building seven, obviously it was theresult of controlled demolition obviously the same judgment
have been offered by two emeritus professorsof structural engineering at Zurich's prestigious Federal Institute

(01:33:14):
of Technology, along with hundreds ofother architects and engineers. Firefighters also have
expert knowledge that is relevant to whathappened in New York City on nine to
eleven, and this past year broughtthe formation of Firefighters for nine to eleven
Truth, who point out, onthe basis of their professional expertise, why

(01:33:40):
the NIST reports about the World TradeCenter should not be believed. There is
also an organization of Veterans for nineto eleven Truth with several former military officers.
They probably, I would venture tosay no more about the real world

(01:34:00):
of military affairs and Alexander Cockburn,and they reject the official story. Another
professional organization with relevant expertise is Pilotsfor nine to eleven Truths, which includes
in its ranks many former commercial andmilitary pilots who call incredible, impossible the

(01:34:27):
official story about why the nine toeleven airliners were not intercepted. This organization
has also devoted much attention to thePentagon attack, pointing out many reasons why
the official account of that attack cannotbe true. They have said similar things

(01:34:50):
about the crash or the alleged crashof Flight ninety three, the one that
supposedly crashed in pen Sylvania. Thelatest of the professional organizations to form is
Intelligence Officers for Nine to eleven Truth, which has been formed, indeed by

(01:35:15):
Annie mccornell. One of the firstpeople to join was William Christison, a
former senior CIA official. If youare one of the people who just knows
that the position of the nine toeleven Truth movement is too implausible to be
worth a few days of your timeto study, listen to what he wrote

(01:35:42):
in two thousand and six. Ispent the first four and a half years
since September eleventh utterly unwilling to considerseriously the conspiracy theories surrounding the attacks of
that day. In the last halfyear, and after considerable agony, I've

(01:36:04):
changed my mind. I now thinkthere is persuasive evidence that the events of
September eleventh did not unfold as theBush administration and the nine to eleven Commission
would have us believe. Who doyou believe knows more about the real world

(01:36:28):
of intelligence affairs? The backbone ofthe nine to eleven Truth movement is now
constituted by these professional organizations of scientists, architects, engineers, firefighters, military
officers, pilots and intelligence officers,and there are still more. This past

(01:36:51):
year has witnessed the formation of medicalprofessionals for nine to eleven Truth, Lawyers
eleven Truth, religious leaders for nineto eleven Truth, and very recently political
leaders for nine to eleven Truth,which already includes past or present members of

(01:37:14):
the parliaments of Australia, Denmark,Germany, Italy, Japan, New Zealand,
Norway, Pakistan, Sweden, UnitedStates, the UK and Europe,
and also a former governor of oneof the states in the United States.

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Accordingly, people who have thought ofthe movement as constituted by those who can
be dismissed as conspiracy nuts, evenmorons and idiots, need to reevaluate if
they want their opinions to be basedon the real world. My friend Anne

(01:38:00):
has written about them in her bookDemonic. She says democratic fundraisers have been
headlined by Rose O'Donnell, a prominentnine to eleven truther who believes the World
Trade Center was blown up with explosives, not taken down by terrorists in airplanes,
and who are these tinfoil hatters.Well, there are a certain percentage
of crazy people in any population,and in a mob, people are more

(01:38:26):
susceptible to believing myths and conspiracy theories, going back to the French Revolution.
In fact, the difference in thetwo parties are conservatives and liberals. Are
liberals used? They are crazy people? They jin them up. They go
to their movie premiers, Michael Moore'smovie premier. You of all these prominent
the head of the DNC senators comingout, Al Gore, that they come
up with they're crazy conspiracy theories,and they're sitting at the Democratic National Convention

(01:38:50):
with Jimmy Carter. You will notsee, you know, the head of
the Birther movement sitting with George Bushat the next Republican National Convention. And
you will not see Berther's headlining Republicanevents. And in fact, the Birther
theory, as I just got inmy book, it was invented by that
is not the Truther theory. Bythe way, if I'm talking too fast,

(01:39:10):
it could be confusing. The theorythat Obama was born in Kenyan faked
his births, that was invented byHillary Clinton. It was shot down by
my newspaper Human Events Sweetness and likedthe blog National Review American Spectator. I
think was one of the first.It was conservatives going out and saying this
isn't true. We don't see that. That is not how the Democratic Party
deals with their nuts. They raisethem up, they elevate them, They

(01:39:32):
invite them to their conventions and havethem speak at their fundraisers and make campaign
calls for it. Yea, Italked about the truthers, so the world
knows these hateful jerks are hateful conspiracytheorists who've had an extra grind since they
got picked out of them every day. Yes, one of the world's leading
investigative reporters and my dear friend andFox colleague, Harada Rivera, one of

(01:39:55):
the most respected journalists in America,made a stunning revelation days ago out his
views of the events on nine toeleven. Is this healthy skepticism or has
he gone too far? The manhimself is here to explain at all,
the one, the only, HaraldRivera. If they're rather welcome here,
Welcome to freedom Watch. I wantto play a little tape of what you
played on your show last weekend.I want you to watch what you watched,

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and then we're going to play atape of what you said after you
watched it every day and loot's myson, my son? What September eleventh,
two thousand or Most people don't knowthat a third tower fell on September
in that World Trade Center seven,forty seven story skyscraper was not hit by
a plane? Will the official explanationsthat fire brought down Building seven over one

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thousand, two hundred architects and engineers. I've looked into the evidence and believe
there is more to the story.Bring justice to my son, my uncle
mine, that's my son, thousandsof others who died on September. All
I go to building. What Icall my eye is their claim that more
than thirteen hundred architects and engineers examinethe evidence about Bill the seventh collapsed and

(01:41:00):
disagree with the official report issued bythe National Institute of Standards and Technology.
It is November two thousand and ten. Why are you with all the spotlight
that you can draw to what yousay? Because of who you are revisiting
nine to eleven and who caused itor who may have caused it? Now
let me take one brief backstep andcontextually say that I load conspiracy theory.

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I know that I've investigated the BermudaTriangle. Sun Cruz and I were just
watching a documentary about it, theKennedy assassination. I played the Zapruder film
for the first time, a nationalobsessed Jesse Ventura on that or conspiracies generally.
But what caught my eye here,Judge, and I think that it
would have been irresponsible of me becauseI care so much. Is this commercial

(01:41:50):
that the families put out about howthe not only did they ache and that
they want these questions answered, butalso that they have these thirteen hundred architects
and engineers who doubt the official conclusionabout how Building seven was brought Do you
doubt the official conclusion of how Buildingseven came down? I think that it

(01:42:10):
is highly unlikely that our government woulddo anything the various on a scale of
this epic nature. However, thebuilding does appear to come down in a
way that is reminiscent of a controldemolition. Right. Here's what you also
said. We have another clip ofyou talking about up until now. Up

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until now, only those considered nutjobs question the official conclusion that office fires
caused by the nearby catastrophe of thetowers collapsing brought down building number seven,
and if explosives were involved, thatwould mean that the most obnoxious protesters in
recent years are right. Could themost obnoxious protesters in recent years be right?

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If the explosives were there and thegovernment didn't it didn't know about it
but won't tell us about it.Could It is a very very big word.
But if indeed explosives were involved,then yes, those loads of nine
to eleven were an inside job.Protesters maybe have some, you know,
some reason to have adherents of peoplemore mainstreams. You brought it up with
Roalda Rivera, who says he isconcerned about Building seven. And I want

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to put the question you put tohim to you. I mean, what
do you think of Rolda Rivera comingout? What do you think of seven?
It's hard for me to believe thatit came down by itself. I
was gratified to see with a ratherRivera investigating it. I am gratified to
see that people across the border areinterested. I think twenty years from now

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people will look at nine to eleventhe way we look at the assassination of
JFK today, it wouldn't possibly havebeen done the way the government told us.
You know, a few years agowe talked about Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer,
and he's been on this cab.It's got a new book at right
now, but that's not the bookwe're talking about. His new book is
called Operation Dark Card, but it'sOperation Able Danger, which right now leads

(01:44:09):
on Foxnews dot Com as our leadstory. Katherine Harrihage doing some follow up
on what we knew about Muhammad Ataleading up to nine to eleven. That's
right, some witnesses apparely there wasa redacted form of what people in the
intelligence community knew regarding that man rightthere, Muhammad Aata and in the Able

(01:44:30):
Danger program, and apparently the reporthad been redacted, all the names had
been blacked out. Well, Foxnewsdot Com got a clean copy and called
a number of the witnesses five andall all of them said that we told
investigators one thing, and none ofthose things actually showed up in the nine
to eleven commission. And in fact, the investigators from the Department of Defense

(01:44:51):
were a little agitated and seemed aggressive. So why wouldn't that show up in
that report? Well, these fivewitnesses claimed that the Defense Department was worried
about taking some of the blame fornine to eleven. But here's what I
don't understand. Why wouldn't think putin the report these findings, because maybe

(01:45:11):
that would look at least like theywere kind of following the trail of Mohammed
Atta instead of just having this wholesituation happened. You know, at least
it gives the American public the imagethat at least we're kind of onto him.
Yeah. I don't know which one'sworse. But were we onto him?
And did we have a picture ofhim? And did we know that?
Did we know him by name?And the name at that point was
Mohammed el said, And if wedidn't know him, why didn't we stop

(01:45:34):
him? Right? Problem? Butdoes it look any worse than in August
to bid lad and determined to attackin the US. That looks bad.
There was so many mistakes. Therewas so many times when we had a
chance to get bin laden. Youcan go back and back and back.
But for some reason, the DefenseDepartment put their line on us in and
said these five people that brought upthe fact that we were tracking a cell

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that included Mohammed Ata in it leadingup to nine to eleven, was redacted,
did not included, and that LieutenantColonel Tony Schaeffer would not stand for
this. He said it was coldoperation able danger, and we would track
Mohammed Aata. And when he wasinterviewed by Phil Zelkow, who ended up
joining the State Department, he said, you know, Tony, this is
an important part of the story.We'll make sure it's in the nine eleven
report. And it wasn't. Therewas no follow up and Colonel Shaeffer would

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not be corralled. Now I don'tunderstand how this led to Operation Darkart and
the purchases of nine thousand, fivehundred books by the Defense Department that were
hensely destroyed that were written by Schaeffer, but by shaft a book. They
burned them. He said, they'regoing to make them a best seller and
burning his books as if that's goingto stop it, as if we're going

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to be out of ink. We'renot going to make other books. Sure
well. According to Colonel Dave Lapan, assistant to the Secretary of Defense,
he says the investigation found that priorto September eleven, two thousand and one,
Able Danger Team members did not identifyMohammed Ata or any other nine to
eleven hijacker. While four witnesses claimedto have seen a chart depict Muhammad Aata
and possibly other hijackers are self involvedin nine to eleven, the investigations determined

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that their recollections were not accurate.So, in other words, they talked
to a bunch of people and theysaid, yeah, I remember that exactly.
Well, according to the Department ofDefense, they were wrong. What
is well? What's going on?And because some people who agreed to speak
to Foxnews dot Com did so withoutgiving their names because they fear repercussions.
I mean, come on, whatkind of repercussions could could there? I

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mean, I believe that they fearrepercussions. What I'm saying is, why
should they be put in that positionwhere they would actually fear that? I
mean, are we all on thesame team here? Yes? Yes?
Oh. And by the way,there's one you may not know about it.
It was a little item in theNew York Times a few months ago.
There are some conspiracy theorists who donot believe Jared Loughner shot up a
shopping mall and in Tucson in January, and they have gone around to the

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victims houses to interview them and askthem for photos. But like I say,
that is just crazy people. Imean, I don't think there's too
much of a leap of an analogy. They're going to be crazy strippers accused
lacrosse players of raping them. Theproblem isn't so much the crazy person.
There are going to be the crazyeven it's their enablers who are allegedly the
responsible. But who most acuter whosicked them on innocent people? And they

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were always Democrats or it's the RosioDonald's of the world who took them on
their TV shows and whatnot a radioshows. But you know, the nine
to eleven truth is Okay, here'swhat it was. First they said it
was American planes that flew into themor bombed of the World Trade. Then
they said there were explosives that broughtthe buildings down. I watched planes flying,
I watched the second plane going.I was in the building in ninety

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three when it happened. I knowthese things happen, But isn't this the
same changing the argument that the thegreen people the global warmers. But first
the globe was warming, and thenit started tools they call it climate change.
The argument right, It was likedaylight saving time. The words just
changed all at once. It's nolonger global warring now it's climate change.

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No, that's right. And incidentally, I was in an old building in
New k today and they were complainingabout the old asbestos and I pointed out
to them, as you may now, asbestos was very popular because it is
flame. There was no asbestos inthe World Trade Center, which is part
of the reason it weren't so fast. Workers coiled in bitter smoke and clouds

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of toxic dust composed of pulverized concrete, fiberglass, and asbestos. September eleventh,
with a tragedy that has changed thecourse of history and the way we
live. It was also an environmentaldisaster of historic proportions. The World Trade
Center contained about fifty thousand computers,each made with between four and twelve towns

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of lead. That's not including WorldTrade Centers. Seven hundreds of tons of
asbestos coated the first forty stories ofat least one tower. It turns out
salt is good for you too.After a while we find out, thank
you so much. Here's the Demonica. It's a great book. If you
haven't gotten it, go out andget it. Fantastic book. All right,

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let's bring it out to the panelwith us on the bird still one
Williams along with Republican strategist D.D. Banky and Tony saying, one,
you're listening to the discussion on nineto eleven, my friend, where
do you weigh in on this?If this wasn't George Bush and Dick Cheney
taking down the towers just to Idon't find a reason to start to pick
a fight with the Middle East,was it? No? I mean,

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I just you know, it's justdisheartening that we even have to discuss it.
It is so outrageous. I thinkit's such a slander on the idea
that we are a free democracy,free information. They can have their conspiracy
theories, they can blow them largeall over the internet, but gee whiz,
they have not an iota of evidence. They don't have one little bit.
There's nothing, nothing that would saymake you stop and pause and say,

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let me listen, let me hear. What is it that you have
that would help to facilitate this ideathat somehow your own government did this.
Please Ziness Jay Michael Springman, aformer head of the visa department in Jedda,
Saudi Arabia, would blow the whistlethat the United States was taking part

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in covert programs as far back asnineteen eighty seven to funnel in and protect
Islamic terrorists. Well, it beganin Jedda when I was repeatedly told to
issue visas two unqualified applicants. Thiswent on for quite some time during most
of my tour there. Under theAmerican immigration laws, you need to demonstrate

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that you're going to the United Statesfor a specific purpose. And typically in
such a situation, you're going tosign a business deal, or you're going
to go as a tourist to seethe Grand Canyon, or you're going to
the United States as a student tostudy a particular course of study. And
these were people that had no job. In one instance, he was a

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Sudanese who was unemployed in Saudi Arabiaand a refugee from the Sudan but he
got a visa for national security purposesafter it was taken out of my hands
by the chief of the Consular Sectionat basis, though, I really think
that these were more CIA assets,people that were recruited, like all of
the folks I have been issuing visasto a couple of years previously, and

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of these people were tools to bedone for a job. Well. The
visas issue to the hijackers in Jettacame about as a result of being a
CIA consulate. It was the fifthlargest visa issuing post in the Middle East.
It was pretty much a closed systemand they simply brought them through there

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and knowing that they would be protectedby the agency, that people would get
their visas, or if they didn'tget the visas, they could be made
to be given visas. Once Igot back to the United States and was
out of the Foreign Service, Iran across a couple of people with ties
to the American government that told meanother story that the CIA was recruiting fighters

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for the Afghan War against the thenSoviets and that their asset Osama bin Ladden
was working with them. In theearly nineteen eighties, been Lauden worked with
operators from US intelligence, the Pakistanimilitary, and Arab states. They ran
a wide ranging covert network that recruitedand financed Muslim fighters to battle the Soviet

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army. It is now known thatOssam bin Laden was a CIA asset under
the code name tim Osman. BinLaden would use this handle when he would
visit the States. The relationship betweenbin Laden and the CIA was essentially he
was one of the assets, oneof the people they could turn to for
help with they had questions. Ifthey wanted somebody recruited, if they wanted

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somebody sent somewhere, if they wantedinformation, they wanted something done, they
went to bin Laden and Lauden isn'twanted by the FBI, and he was
on a CIA payroll. Is hethe brutal Islamic terrorist been led to believe
or a mere front man I ranAntoni, It seems like a more this
trust of government. So let's pointa finger at one of the most enous

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acts in history and say, oh, as the government's fault. Therefore you
have to hate your government. Yeah, and it's gone ten years too long.
Now we're about to celebrate the tenthanniversary, or at least memorialize the
tenth anniversary. Eric, we needto move beyond these type of ridiculous theories
that I think, as one indicatedeverybody of any sense, blows off and
does not take any credence. Butthe point that Anie made that I think

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is the most important is that someof the biggest advocates of these theories are
still welcome at the head table ofthe Democratic Party and they need to be
chastised for that. You don't seethat happening with a duty. Yeah,
the whack jobs, And great,let them go to the DNC convention because
you know what, the Republicans aregoing to win. The more they talk,
the better we look, because actuallyit's disgraceful ten years. I mean,
honestly, at the White Hills itwas real. I mean, you

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know, we felt the pound wheneverthe Pentagon was hit. I mean to
say, this isn't real. It'sjust nuts. So let them look like
whack jobs. He wants this beforewe go. We don't have a lot
of time, but just quickly.It's this whole you know, change of
story. First it was you know, we bombed the buildings then and they
were explosives within the buildings, andnow it was George Bush knew about it,

(01:55:13):
but he chose not to do anythingabout it. Seems like the global
warming story went from global warming toclimate change. It sounds like the liberals
always have a way to change thestory to kind of fit the reality.
Well, I don't know that they'reall liberals, but I mean, I
hear what you're saying, I heardwhat Anne said. But the fact is
this is all over the map,and I think that what really buys these
people is not political affiliation or ideology. Eric, it's it's absolute belief and

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that the government is out to getyou and that somehow they know the truth
and the rest of us for allthe research, reporting, talking, gossiping
research that we do, that wedon't get it. So I don't necessarily
agree with you that it's political.And I would hope that Anne is right
if those people are being welcomed atthe top echelons of the DNC, that

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the DNC has held accountable because thosepeople don't belong any legitimate public form.
All right, we'll tell Algor tostay home this year. We're gonna have
to leave it there coming up,And then I ended it with Next time
Fox Nudes decides to do a hitpiece on nine to eleven truths, they
should not only do their research onthe people they are talking about, but
they should also check their own archives. As you can see, the best

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they have is the government's official story, red herrings, ad hominent attacks,
and straw man arguments. So younoticed the second piece there was all debunked
quote unquote so to speak by meusing Fox News is aside from that brief

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that brief interview with Alex Jones,but that was judgment of Politano, one
of their own hosts at the time. I used Fox News's own clips from
Fox News to debunk Fox News.It's ridiculous. They're lying to you.
They're lying to you. They're lyingto you. They're lying to you.

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Do you see the evidence that wasjust like an hour and a half of
presentation, a little over an hourand a half of presentation, you know,
and then I had to stop andtalk. But the video evidence that
you were just witnessed too, it'sabout an hour and forty minutes or so.
So there's there's literally tons and tonsof video that I could sit here

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and play you. But I meanthat cuts right to the chase. Just
for their they're debunking, see insteadof I wanted to. Usually I don't
take on logical, fallacy filled arguments, but in this case I have to
because as you see, as Ishowed you in the beginning of the broadcast,
the Counts on Foreign Relations as oftwo years ago put out an article

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saying that you should trust these people. And here I have this presentation that
I did all these years ago,twelve years ago, and it shows you.
Back then the argument was invalid andgarbage. And that argument is still
invalid and garbage today, folks.That's the way it is. Investigate nine

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to eleven because it was most definitelyan inside job. And that's too simple
of a term, but it's aneasy, easy thing to digest. And
then I urge you to go lookfurther into it. Don't just believe it
because I told you or I presentedthe evidence that I presented tonight. Go
research it yourself, and I promiseyou you will come to the same conclusion.

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Thank you for tuning in again tonight. Thanks Kgira, Thanks Bill,
best producer on planet Earth. I'llleave you with this. Darkness cannot drive
out darkness. Only light can dothat. Hate cannot drive out hate.
Only love can do that. Ilove you all, ladies and gentlemen,
and I'll see you all again nextweek. I'm out