The FBI War on Tupac Shakur

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I'm going to introduce tonight's guest.It is author, researcher and all
around awesome guy, mister John Potash. John, Welcome, back to the
broadcast. My brother, thanks forhaving me one. Popeye man, good
to see you again, I wassaying off air to you. I'm glad
you made it through the last coupleof years of craziness. So it's good

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to see you, brother. Thanks, good to see you too, Popeye.
Glad you're you're staying healthy through allthis trying. We're both from what
I understand, we're both pure bloods, no shots. Yes, So before
we get into Tupac, you havea new film coming out all about the
craziness of the past three years.Let's take a few minutes and let's let's

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let's cover that. Yeah. So, actually, the craziness of the last
three years was covered by a filmI released in twenty twenty two, and
so that was Shots Eugenics to Pandemics, and it was like a darkly amusing
film about that whole situation. Andit's done well. So I'm happy I

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got, you know, a goodNorth American distributor, and I'm happy with
you. Even though it's been heavilycensored. It's now because people can see
it free on two B and orthey can pay a dollar ninety nine to
see it on Google Play and it'sa few other places. Actually, YouTube
pretends like they censor, they censorthe trailer, but they actually still rent

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the film for a dollar ninety nine, so people can see it there,
and you can if you buy iton Amazon or Barnes and Noble, you
get fifteen plus bonus minutes of it. So yeah, that's places it's available
right now. So I'm I'm happythat it's been out there and doing well
for the last it's actually been outfor about a year and maybe year and

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a half or so. Oh good, And I'm glad people can watch it.
I think it's kind of funny howYouTube bands the trailer for it,
but they still they'll take the dollarninety nine rental. They don't really have
a problem with that. It doesnot surprise me. And it breaks down
all the like the you know,the craziness of the you know, the

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COVID and then the lockdowns and allthat stuff. Yeah. So it's called
shots Eugenics the Pandemics, and itreally gives the history of the eugenics movement
from the early nineteen hundreds one wardsand up and how the eugenics movement influence
basically the most genocidal practices of themedical establishment and the oligarchs you know,

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influenced that and paid off universities topretend like this eugenics movement was something you
know, real and scientific when itwas really pseudoscience. And this eugenics movement
then also funded the rise of Hitlerand the Nazis in Germany, which was

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be reffed after World War One.They were just cash poor and doing terribly
and here comes all this money,you know from the eugenics movement, who
tried to you know, promote eugenicsin all the European countries, but no
one accepted the money except Germany becausethey were the worst off. And so
from there, you know, ofcourse Hitler gave eugenics a bad name,

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and the Nazis and also they wentand kind of underground, but they never
stopped doing what they were doing.This eugenics folks, you know, the
wealthiest families, including the Rockefellers,the JP Morgan family, the Carnegie,
the Harriman's, et cetera, andthe Bushes and all and so they they

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basically we were behind a lot ofthe huge push amongst vaccines to go way,
you know, beyond the kind offour or five vaccines that I had
to get as a kid. Innineteen eighty six, they passed legislation we
pushed, actually Bush, Vice PresidentBush is the one that really pushed the

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legislation to making back you know,pharmaceutical companies completely exempt from liability for any
of the damage that vaccines could possiblycause. And that create a skyrocking,
skyrocketing of the when the vaccine agendafor kids, so it went from about
four or five you know vaccines thekids that we had to take to now

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it's about seventy four or seventy twoto seventy four vaccine you know, shots
of about sixteen vaccines. And sowe went from four to five shots.
It's about seventy two to seventy fourshots of the many more you know vaccines,
and it's caused you know, lotsof problems. You know. Now

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they say vaccines have nothing to dowith autism, but autism skyrocketed after that.
It went from about ten thousand,you know, one in ten thousand
kids were diagnosed with autism too aboutnow it's about one in thirty five.
But I just I just show someof that. I don't really you know,
make any kind of clear statement aboutthat I really get. Most of

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the film is about the COVID vaccineand how it all kinds of simulations what
would happen in twenty twenty, butevery you know, I just showed about
two or three major simulations. Butyou know, Robert F. Kenny Junior,
in his book The Really Anthony Fauci, shows how there was actually a
simulation every single year for about twentyyears before twenty twenty happened. And nonetheless,

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so you got that lead up tothis, you know, as if
they had crystal balls on, youknow, like how how twenty twenty was
going to play out? And andthey played it out and it was you
know, it was pretty pretty muchmass murder because they say, you know,
starvation doubled in the world because ofall the shutdowns. It went from

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about the New York Times headline said, it went from something to the effect
of one hundred and seventy five million, you know, a million people suffering
from starvation to about three hundred andfifty million people suffering from starvation. It
was really incredible what these lockdowns didto the world. And and then of
course they pushed this deadly vaccine afterthat, and the vaccine raised you know,

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all cause mortality in a huge way. Loads of people were injured.
The Vaccine Diverse Event Reporting System BEARSis the only you know, known government
public reporting system. And when Isay public, I mean you know,
doctors can report to it. Somepeople say others, you know, individuals
can report too, but one doctorsaid only doctors can nurse this possibly too.

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All I know is that BEARS showedthat these COVID vaccines caused more injuries
and deaths than all the other vaccinescombined over about the last thirty years and
so. And this is just inthe first like about a year or so
year and a half of the COVIDvaccine. So so it's really incredible.
What's what happened with And I justshow all the details of this in a

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darkly amusing way, you know,and with music and fake ads and all
kinds of stuff like that. Good, and I encouraged the viewers to go
watch the film. And you've alsoyou also did film versions of the book
about Tupac correct and the Drugs asWeapons against Us too. Yeah, yeah,

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so I have a film, afilm Drugs as Weapons against Us,
the CIA war on musicians and activists, which is a film based on the
book I wrote, and then Ialso made a more rudimentary film, and
that film had got I got aNorth American distributor for that. But the
film I made based on the FBIwant to pock Scorn Black Leaders is just

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something I made with the help ofa local guy used to work for public
television, and so it's it's real, just images and narration without a lot
a lot else, a little bitof music beginning the end. That's it.
But some people have liked it.People bought and liked it, but
somehow I lost my distribution on Amazonfor that. So if people want to

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get they got it worried from mywebsite. Nonetheless, it's you know,
I'm happy to have that out there. And the book got republished, as
you know that, The Wan toBuckscorre Black Leaders got published republished by a
larger publishing company called Microcosm Publishing outof Portland, Oregon, and it's now
called They Have Got War on TupacshaCore State repression of Black leaders from the

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Civil rights era to the nineteen nineties. And that was the original The first
time I had interviewed you years ago, that was the book that we talked
about and that's what we're going toget into tonight. And I urge the
listeners to buy all of John's books. Support him. John, you're selling

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discs. I take it of themovies too, or where give out your
website, your Twitter, Facebook,whatever that you want to put out.
Here. You can see the trailersfor these films and more about all these
about these books and films at Johnpodash dot com John potash dot com.

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So yeah, awesome, Yeah,No, I want to make sure you
get some time to like promote thatbecause I mean, you do. Your
work is really amazing. You.Actually, it's not like some authors,
John, where they write books andthey don't you know, they use other
people's work or whatever, or theyyou know, they collect stuff off the
internet and throw a book together.You are what I would consider like a

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true investigative journalist. Your work isabsolutely like impeccable. As soon as soon
as I saw the the story aboutthe guy getting arrested for Tupac murder,
I told you the first thing Ithought was wonder what John thinks about this?
You were the first person that cameto mind. So let's get into

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Tupac's murder. A lot of peoplebelieve the whole East coast West coast thing,
and we know that's not true.We're going to get into that,
but there's a lot of people thatwould say, why would they want to
and they being the FBI, theCIA, and the local PD, why

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would they want to work together inorder to kill Tupac? Why was Tupac
such a threat? Yeah, it'sbecause, well, Tupac was already a
national leader before he became a rapper. At the age of seventeen, he
was elected the head of the NewAfrican Panthers, which was trying to replicate

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the Black Panthers in active and byeight to ten cities around the country.
And so I quote Wes Swerringen,who is a former FBI Counterintelligence Program agent
who and the counter intelligence program wasthe program that targeted left wing activists in

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general, but particularly viciously targeted theBlack Panthers. And Tupac's parents were leading
Black Panthers, and his whole extendedfamily were leading Black Panthers. His mother
was one time leader of the HarlemBlack Panthers. His godfather, Droonma Pratt,
was head of the Los Angeles BlackPanthers. His godmother was Asa Shakur

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called her his anti Asada, whowas considered, you know, one of
the standout leaders of the Bronx BlackPanthers, you know, et cetera.
So when he, you know,the black FBI, we're targeting the Panthers.
CI joined that targeting of the BlackPanthers. That's been found out by

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Drama Pratt when they found his FBIdocuments, they found it alluded to CIA
documents on CIA targeting of him.Also, his law team found that out.
And so when TUPAC was rising upand now Wes S. Waringen said
that his fellow agents when he startedto leave the FBI, his fellow agents

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told him that, yeah, we'restill running these counter intelligence program operations,
just from with different names now becausethey activists raided an FBI office in nineteen
seventy one and that's what discovered thecounter intelligence program and the documents in the
FBI documents they stole that became public, so they had that they were embarrassed.
They had to close it down officially, but unofficially they kept it open

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with just different names, according toWest Swearing and fellow agents, and they
kept it open at least until thenineteen nineties, according to Swearing in his
memoir FBI Secrets, which he publishedin the mid nineteen nineties. And so
when Tupac became a national you know, New African Panther leader about nineteen eighty

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eight, of course the FBI wouldhave been watching him closely around that because
he was in a group that wasassociated with former Black Panthers, in a
group called the New African People's Organization. So here he is, he's in
this leadership position, he's being interviewedon the radio, and he gets he

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eventually gets a uh kind of ayou know, he gets in with the
group Digital Underground and tours internationally withthem and produces some rap lyrics rap songs
with them, and then gets asolo debut with a major label called Interscope
for his you know first CD two, Pocalypse Now. And three days after

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the worldwide release of his political songTrapped on MTV, police you know,
stopped him supposedly for jaywalking. Theychoked him unconscious and smashed his head against
the curb. So you know,many times, and I show how other
people in police custy died from thosepolice actions, and so I argue that

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that was you know, the firstattempt on his life. And then there
was a shooting attempt right after hisfilm debut with a called the Amphathus film
Juice, a major Hollywood production.And then there was a shooting of him
when he was at this Marin CityFestival as the honor guest of Honor at

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the fiftieth anniversary and werein city festand the shooting Adam was in front of
police officers and they did nothing tostop to you know, to take the
shooters into custody. They only arrestedTupac and his brother who was guarding him,
Moprime Chakor. And so these arethe kinds of actions that happened before
an undercover agent enter his life namedHaitian Jacques Ignant, who his lawyer got

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rap sheet on and showed a longlist of major charges up up and down
the East Coast, all dismissed byjudges. And he said it's a short
sign of a government agent. Andso that undercoverage and set him up with
the supposed sexual assault scene and thenset him up, actually had an associate

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set him up to get shot ina recording studio in New York. And
that was the last shooting of themthat we almost died, but you know,
barely survived, thank god, butbarely missed his brain that went through
one back of skull. Two actuallywas a bullet went back to the back
of the skull, went out thefront of the skull and barely missed his

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brain. But and so he endsup, you know, and then the
next shooting ends up dying. Nowthe reason they the CII got so involved
is probably because Tupac got involved innineteen ninety two in a gang peace truce
movement. Okay, his black,extended black panther family was involved in this
movement that was started in Los Angeleswith the Bloods and the Cryps calling,

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you know, after the Rodney Kingverdict, you know, found them not
guilty. The people beat up RodneyKing one film and it was kind of
shown around around the nation. Uh, those those cops got let off,
you know, riots happened in LosAngeles, and around that time, the
Bloods and Cribs vowed to stop fightingeach other into fight you know, racism,

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and to fight police against police brutality. And so Tupac helped his extended
black panther family called get more andmore neighborhoods in Los Angeles to call these
peace truces. He came up withhis Thug Life movement, his like thug
thug Life code, his Code ofThug Life with his imprisoned UH stepfather Matulu
Shacor who he uh you know,wrote it with, and they got different

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gang leaders to agree to these codesof thug Life to do less harm in
their community and and signed to itand shake hands and call peace truces.
And this spread throughout California and throughoutthe country, and a lot of these
gangs actually stopped dealing drugs and turnedonto more legal ways of making money.

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And that took huge amounts of moneyout of the ci traffickers' hands, and
huge amounts of money that were beinglaundered through banks and stock market and that
was a major major blow to theprofits of these drug traffickers and money launders.
Because I show I talked about inmy book more extensively, but I

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also talk about in my film Drugsand Weapons Against Us how because I have
a big section on Tupac in there, and I talk about how when the
money is put into the stock market, it's that cash inflow is called I
forgot the name of it. Butthere's a name they have for that where

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they can predict that twenty if it'sincreases this much in you know, in
straight profit with straight cash going inthere in one year, the value goes
up about ten to twenty times thatbecause they predicted that for ten or twenty
years it could be this profitable.And so the you know, a million
dollars can turn into some twenty milliondollars and these you know, when you

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have a gang, like in NewYork City, the largest gang at the
time was the Latin Kings. Theyturned into all mighty Latin King Queen Nation,
according to some professors. Were thebook Columbia University pressive about their transformation.
Inspired by the gang Truce movement thatspread to New York. They called
themselves all my Latin King Queen Nation. When they were arrested. When all

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the leaders, some fifty leaders ofthis group were arrested in New York,
there was no drugs found on them, not even no guns found on them.
They really had transformed. And thatyou know, that incredible amount of
money taken on the amount of dealerstaken off the streets. You know,
it was a huge blow in theprofit margins of these money launders. They

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saw they lost you know, manybillions of dollars from that transformation alone,
much less of the gangs in allthe country, you know, transforming this
way. Yeah, and they're alltheir black ops are run by a lot
of this drug dealing because then theydon't have to go to Congress and ask

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for money, because Congress says,well, what are you going to do
with it? Or what did youdo with it? So that's why they
love to run guns and drugs.And I could see how you know,
Tupac bringing the gangs together, stoppingyou know, the bloods and the crips
from killing one another, because that'salso you know, that's that's part of
the agenda. You know, ifeveryone's amongst themselves, no one's paying attention

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to what the government's doing. Andit's not really the government, but you
know it's people inside intelligence, yeah, use intelligence and the olig archs.
Yeah, and the you know,the use of drugs for social control is
a huge part of it too.When you spread drugs through community, it
lowers the values of the you know, housing, It ruins you know,

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it ruins families, you know,individuals lives, It ruins their families,
lives and it ruins you know,the community. That's the way drugs,
you know, addiction effects of community, and so yeah, it's just a
major kind of uh operation against youknow, communities, communities of color in

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particular, because there were was alot of targeting into communities of color,
but communities in general who get stuckwith these drug problems in their communities,
you know, white and black andLatino, et cetera. That's where crack
came from. And you know themyth that some guy in an alleyway came
up with the idea on how toturn cocaine into crack and then just did

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it in an alleyway. No,I mean, that's a scientific process that
was obviously that was done on purpose, and they did it because they wanted
to market cocaine to the black community, because you know, cocaine was a
rich white man's drug. But theyyou could buy a crack rock for five
or ten bucks freeway. Ricky Rosstalked about how the CIA, he worked
with the CIA, He's openly talkedabout it, and that's how they funneled

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all this crack all over and cocainebut throughout the United States of America.
Yeah, well, surprise winning journals. Gary Webb documented all this with free
and you're talking about Freeway Ricky Ross, and in Gary Webb's book about that,
you know, so, Gary Webbhad this, uh, you know,
this first viral series called Dark Alliancefront pages San Jose Mercury News every

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day for a week and then itwas supposed to be on you know,
front page every day for a secondweek when they but they cut it short
because all the other you know,newspaper sources kind of like ganged up on
San Jose Mercury News and said youhave to pressure them to stop printing that
that article of Gary Webbs because itwas just too you know, exposed too

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much. But basically Gary Webb thenturned into a book Dark Alliance, and
in that book he said that oneof Freeway Ricky Ross's two understudies was a
guy named Michael Harry o'harris. AndMichael Harry o'harris was a Los Angeles drug
deer, big time Los Angeles drugdealer whose lawyer was David Kenner, and

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David Kenner helped Michael Harry o'harris starta record company, death Row Records,
and Dave Kenner made himself the realowner by starting Godfather Entertainment as the umbrella
company for death Row Records. Andso then when Michael Harry O Harris went
to jail, and he would lateractually win a lawsuit saying that you know,
testifying and winning, you know,a judge would agree with all this.

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But so Kenner then took you know, grabbed Suge Knight from as the
next you know, chairman of deathRow Records. And suge Knight was getting
increasingly made more major charges, uh, through criminal activity, before all of
a sudden, police and the courtsjust let him off completely. And it

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was obvious it was the same thingthat they did with the undercover agent they
used against Chicago panther leader Fred Hampton. That that undercover agent if you might
have seen the film about that,the assassination of Fred Hampton, I think
it was called Jesus and the Judasin the Last Messiah or Judas in the

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Black Messiah, I think it wascalled. But either way, so that
that undercover agent was had some chargesagainst him and then he was you know,
more major charges and then they kindof let him off of all charges
if you would agree to come onthe cover agent. So I argue that
the same thing happened with Sugar Knight. So Suge Knight was basically low man

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on the totem pole. Obviously DaveKenner was higher on the totem pole,
his lawyer, and they you know, kept it death Row Records going in
a bigger way. They hired thenSuge Knight and Dave Kenner hired a guy,
Reggie Wright Junior, as their headof security. Now, Reggie Right
Junior was a Los Angeles police officer, and he supposedly retired from the police,

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but I argue that he really justwent under cover in his position for
the police, and he then supervisedwhat police officer Russell Poole said were dozens
of his fellow police officers at alllevels of death throw Records, and they
pretended like they were just moonlighting,moonlighting police officers doing security for death Row.

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But I argue they were doing alot more than that, you know,
because Russell Poole found that there's authenticreports showing that death Row Records was
trafficking drugs, trafficking guns, andthey were trying, you know, all
lots of reports in there were documentedin different books on death Row Records showed

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that they were also trying to stopthe gang piece truths between the Bloods and
the Cryps. They were trying tostart fights between the Bloods and Crips,
like at concerts, at death Rowevents, and you know, and police
saw these fights. People died atthese you know, at these conflicts that
were started and nobody was arrested.You know, shots were fired, people

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were killed, nobody was arrested,and so but one of the so some
of their goals were obviously trafficking drugs, trafficking guns, trying to restart the
gang, you know, the gangwars, and trying to manipulate and control
Tupac, and then when he wasleaving death throw records, killing him,
you know, assassinating him, andthey accomplished a lot of that while while

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Tupac was in the hospital, youknow, after they helped set up his
murder and Tupac was in the hospital, they restarted the gang you know wars
in Los Angeles, saying that theythink, you know, the Crypts killed
Tupac, and so they shipped cratesof guns to the Bloods saying, you
know, the Cryps killed Tupac,you gotta get revenge. Gang, you

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know, shooting started, people werekilled, a number of people were killed.
But after Tupac died, activist spreadthe word that they don't think it
was the Crypts that killed Tupac andthe shooting stopped. But it's it's really
incredible, you know, what theyset up and with that death Row records,
So what regulate Junior? You know, the importance of him is the

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fact that his father was Reggi,Right, Senior was head of the Gang
division in Compton, California, youknow, a neighborhood of Los Angeles,
and so he was head of thegang division there. The gang division there
was obviously trying to do the oppositeof, you know, trying to restart
the gang wars, and that thatwas regulated. Junior's job was as an

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undercorageon trying to make that happen.And so that's just some of you know,
what my book covers in that regard. And I mean, obviously they
they definitely would want to monitor him, try to control him. However they
could meaning Tupac, But when youspecifically refer to them at death Row records

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doing these things, you're referring tothe agent provocateurs. Correct that we're infiltrating
there, Yeah, the undercut youknow, the police officers, police intelligence
officers who were working at death rowrecords. And so when Russell Pool went
to a superiors and said and said, what are all my fellow police officers
doing, you know, in deaththrow records and his superior said, you

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can call them troubleshooters or covert agents. That was the direct language used,
and that was documented in the bookLabyrinth. Randall Salivan, who you know,
interviewed Russell Pool extensively, and RussellPool talked about some of this stuff
also in the in the film Biggieand Tupac by award winning winning filmmaker Nick

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Broomfield. But so, yeah,these were covert agents that were you know,
playing you know, carrying out theseoperations inside that were records. So
yeah, it's you know, Idocumented of course they got were on Tupakshakor,
but also in the book Drugs asWeapons against this in the films based

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on those books too. Now,when it comes to like the night Tupac
was killed, one of the thingsthat sticks out to me is that the
amount of rounds that were fired andnot a single one hit should night,
right, So that tells me.Yeah, that tells me they were professionals

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exactly. These guys were not somerandom gang bang thug or you know gang
bang or thugs, because I mean, I've seen the difference between professional hits
and like just gang hits where it'sa drive by shooting, and there's a
drastic difference of professionalism when it comesto actually only hitting their target and not
twenty other people. And the onlythe only person that was hit was was

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Tupac. So I mean Shug wassitting right next to him and didn't catch
a single round. That's kind oftelling, at least in my eyes.
And I know a lot of peoplethink that Shady. Yeah, Suge Knight
was twice the size of Tupac,and so you know, I mean Suge
Knight was low man on thetonem polein terms of US intelligence, but he
was still you know, his jobwas to help set this up. There's

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no doubt. I don't know howmuch he knew about what, you know,
how it was all going to godown, but he knew enough to
Once Tupac was shot four times too, then instead of going to the hospital,
which was right near the club,he had bought Club sixty six two,
he went, he turned around andwent in the other direction away from
the hospital, so he knew whathe was doing with all this. He

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actually drove over an embankment to gothe other way. So yeah, it's
uh, you know, Russell Poolesays the same thing. He says,
this was not gang bangers who've carriedthis out. These were trained, you
know, people who had to haveyou know, all kinds of radio communication
everything else to carry this out.This This was a you know, very

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was sophisticated job that that was pulledoff. And so it also shows great
Cating's ridiculous story that is in thenews today that this one guy, Orlando
Anderson, with his you know uncle, you know, Dwayne kep d Davis,
that that he you know, Dwaynekepd Davis just you know, carried

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out this operation by you know,with his nephew. It's it's just a
joke. It's a total joke becauseobviously it wasn't just gang bangers. It
was it was trained officers that hadto do this. But so, you
know, Orlando Anderson was bought aticket for the Mike Tyson fight, but
actually, according to different sources,didn't even go into the Mike Tyson fight.

(34:06):
He just waited an mg MGM lobbyfor Tupac to come come through there,
and it was he was obviously atpatsy, I mean, uh.
Filmmaker Nick Runfeld actually calls him theLee Harvey Oswald of the Tupac murder,
you know, referring to of coursethefk assassination. And so he got paid

(34:28):
and paid well to just sit there, to to have the people in the
death through entourage commenced Tupac when theyTupac had had stopped getting drunken stone for
months. After a court case wherea friend of his was in his car
with some weed got caught. Tupacgot got charged for driving the car,
and you know, and didn't wantto get caught again because he almost got

(34:52):
his probation, you know, I'msorry he has uh, you know,
he had gotten a parole or alfrom prison for that sexual abuse charge and
and this this you know, possessionof weed charge almost gotten you know,
back in prison, and so hewas trying to stay away from things.
He was also settling down. Hewas got engaged to Canated Cadata Jones,

(35:15):
which is Quincy Jones's daughter. Hewas planning to move into a new apartment
with her and get married to her. And so he was really selling down
according dye witnesses, and not drinkingor smoking weed anymore. But nonetheless,
here you is, they'd surround himwith tons of alcohol and weed at the
right for Mike Tyson fight. Hedrinks and smokes a bit. Mike Tyson

(35:37):
fights very fast, and and thenafterwards he's gets into a scuffle with this
guy because they commenced him that thisguy, or Orlando Anderson, had you
know, stolen a chain off theneck of someone in death row. And
so they got a little scuffle andwas broken up quickly by security guards.
Orlando Anderson didn't didn't do a thingabout it, just acted like mellow about

(36:01):
afterwards, according to what eyewitnesses.Even he's called on film you know from
you from the whole thing and securityfilm you know from the MGM lobby.
And then so according to Dwayne kpdDavis, he says that his this was
coincidental and his nephew used that opportunityto take a million dollar offer to his

(36:24):
uncle to go and killed, youknow, shoot Tupac right after that,
and so it's it's a really ridiculous. All they supposedly, you know,
suddenly just used this opportunity and withintwo hours, you know, tracked down
two BOC and Shugar Night and andyou murdered him. And meanwhile, there's

(36:45):
many more details that I could giveyou that show. It shows really absurd,
but yeah, just some of it, some of it all. Meanwhile,
Dwayne KPD Davis got offered. Hewas up on a major drug dealing
charge that Greg Kating said in hisown book. Kating said that, you

(37:07):
know, Davis would probably get alife imprisoned sentence, but because unless he
confessed about the Tupac murder, sothey led him off of life in prison
to life sentence in prison to saywhat he wanted, what Katie wanted him
to say, and he said,you know, he says, well,
I was driving the car and mynephew, Orlando Anderson shot Tupac, and

(37:31):
we got offered a million dollars fromp Diddy, you know, Puff Daddy
Sean P Diddy Combs to pull offthat operation, you know, that that
job to kill both Tupac and SugeKnight. But again, you know,
sug Knight's twice the size of Tupac, and they miraculously, don't hit Suge

(37:51):
Knight directly at all, just Tupac. Four four shots in Tupac, nothing
hits Night. Who's you know,who's right behind Tupac, you know,
in the view, in the lineof fire. So it was obviously it
was an assassination of Tupac and that'swhat was planned. And you know,
even all the mainstream news says there'sreally no evidence to support that that Sean

(38:16):
P. Diddycomb's actually offered a milliondollars for them to do this, So
it's a it's really unsubstantiated. Butafter so many years, they just for
some reason want to come out nowtwenty seven years after the fact and try
to pretend like they solved the caseand with the ald things, you know,

(38:40):
just pretty pitiful and ridiculous. Buthere we are with this guy going
on trial and you know, theysay the last suspect in Tupac's murder,
when then they murdered actually the mainsin the main witness to tupacs murder,
which was Tupac's backup singer Yafufu alsonamed Kadaffi and the Outlaws backup group for

(39:02):
Tupac. He says he thought hecould identify the shooter, and so he's
murdered the night of the next MikeTyson fight. You know, that's quite
the coincidence, right, and they'resupposed to. Kathy Scott, the award
winning crime reporter for the Las VegasSun, says, when when there's a

(39:22):
crime and they want to get witnesses, they just you know, arrest them.
They just like put them in prison. Say, you know, you
got to stay here until you giveus you know, some you know something
that that can help us with thisthis situation, with this crime. And
they said that the Tupac you knowmurder was the biggest event, you know,

(39:44):
biggest crime event in decades. Sothey don't detain Yafufula, they don't
detain the other witnesses, and theydon't you know, show them a lineup
or anything like that. They don'tshow him pictures of photos of possible you
know, suspects or anything like that. So they say they were trying to
get a hold of him and thathe wasn't talking when he did say he

(40:07):
said, I think I could identifythe shooter, and they didn't detain him.
So he's in New Jersey and someonemurders him. You know, he's
wearing a bullproof vest and someone stillyou know, shoots him in the head
and it's just yeah, it's likea professional. Yes, it's a professional

(40:27):
that did it. Now there's youknow, so his mother, so he
was also another rising star who wascould be another it could have been another
Tupac. His father was the founder, was the founding leader of the Black
Panthers and the Bronx New York.His mother was Jafufula, also a Black
Panther, and they were both veryclose with with Tupac's mama. Fani Shakor

(40:49):
and yasmin Fula headed uh Tupac's recordcompany and a film company that is,
and so you know they they reallywant to murder you know, Yaula.
Also they also murdered bodyguard comrade ofTupacs from the New African Panthers name Tayiahimba

(41:12):
uha Kesi Tayahimba, who was theson of TUPACX long lifetime mentor what tiny
Tayahimba who actually acted as tupax firstfirst or second manager and was a very
important person Tupac's life. So yeah, it's uh, it's really ugly all
that happened. And so in thein the epilogue of my new Tupac book,

(41:39):
I have a lot about Greg cating. I got things that would happen
to Russell Pool. After this,Russell Pool kept investigating. He had to
resign from the force to get aout of this. This you information out
there, and then he kept investigating. And then when he felt like he
had a lot of evidence about whothe shooter might have been, he took

(41:59):
that to a Los Angeles County Sheriff'sdepartment and and at that meeting, Reggie
Right Junior shows up. At thatmeeting, According to a co writer with
with Russell Pool, a guy namedMichael Carlin, and Michael Carlin was helping
Russell Pool put out a book aboutthis. They put he carl and putting

(42:22):
it out called Chaos Merchants. ButCarlin told me that a police source in
that Los Angeles Sheriff's office told himthat there was a cold group of police
that were close with they were friendlywith Reggie Right Junior, and they held
actually held Russell Pool down and useda defibrillator on him and caused him a

(42:44):
heart attack. That it wasn't alike mainstream media puts across as if he
had is an incidental, coincidental heartattack in that meeting, But they actually
caused him a heart attack and killedhim. So that, yeah, that
tell you that. Details about dare in my new version of the FBI
War on twoc book, along withsome details about it Phantasy Corps, Untimely

(43:08):
Passing, is the two box Mom'sdeath, too Young, and and others
you know in the saga. It'son an epilogue to the original book.
I was going to ask you tobring up what had happened to him when
he went to the sheriff's office andspoke to them, because I just found

(43:29):
that he conveniently has this meeting aboutthis new evidence he's got about the shooter,
and he brings it in and hejust so happens to have a heart
attack in the middle of this meeting. I mean, come on, Yeah,
it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's crazy. It's amazing how there's a lot

(43:51):
of coincidences. And this is howyou can tell that it was a professional
job, John, because like youlook at that you brought up the Kennedy
assassination with Oswald. It's a goodpoint. There's a lot of coincidences or
things that they match up, like, you know, there's a there.
Now they have the Lee Harvey Oswaldof the whole situation, they have the
Patsy. They have you know,the guy that they arrested is the only

(44:16):
one the other guy that was hisnephew, right, isn't He's dead right?
So he got killed two years laterby another one working at death row
records. Yeah, best step andsays according to Russell Pool, well convenient
how that works out. So thisguy is the only one left and they

(44:37):
need they want to wrap this upwith a with a nice little bow on
it, so they have an answer, so that nobody is blaming the government
for killing Tupac, even though forlike you know, since he was murdered,
people are like, the government killedTupac. I remember it being talked
about a long time ago. Andthen when I saw your book years ago,
I was like, finally somebody's coveringthis and reading your book. That's

(45:00):
why I said, you really area great investigative journalist, because your book
blew my mind with how much informationis in it about his murder, Like
I had no you know it really, once you read folks, once you
read John's book. I promise youyou read John's book, you will not
look at the murder of Tupac Shakuror even Biggie Small's the same way because

(45:22):
you'll you'll realize what was being doneand what happened. And now conveniently,
out of nowhere, they roll thisguy out, and you know, everyone
else connected is pretty much dead andhe witnesses are dead. So this guy
can just say, yeah, Idid it. He doesn't have to go
away for life on drug charges.He'll probably go away for maybe twenty years,

(45:43):
get out in fifteen ten or fifteenon good behavior, and he'll be
back out in the street again.That's way better than spending the rest of
your life rotting in a jail cell. So of course he's going to take
this deal. The question is whynow, Why all of a sudden,
so many years later, all ofa sudden, they're like, hey,
yeah, solved Tupac's murder, Andit's like, wait, what why now?
Yeah? My guess is is thatthere's so much distrust of the government

(46:07):
these days. You know, theysay that recruiting for the military is down
in a big way. Obviously,people majorly mistrust the government around these vaccines
because Bye, I think a lotof researchers said that by April of twenty
twenty one, people had developed amajor mistrust of the COVID shots. So

(46:31):
I think the second it was thesecond round that started coming up around April
of twenty twenty one is when vaccineuse, you know, the taking of
the COVID vaccine went down to muchlower percentage of the population after a large
After about seventy five percent of thepopulation you know took the first back first

(46:51):
version of the COVID vaccine, thebooster shot went down majorly and after that.
Now the current version they're pushing onus is about anywhere from three to
seven percent of the population. Ican't remember different. I heard on TV
three percent of the populations taking itso far, but that was maybe a
few weeks ago. I think thelatest number might be seven percent of the

(47:15):
of the you know nation took thenew COVID vaccine. But so it's obviously
much bigger mistrust of the government,and I think, you know, things
like this, these you know showedtrials of this guy are just to build
more trust in the government in someway, and they only brought him up

(47:38):
on one charge this guy. Andyou know, obviously they say he drove
the car where you know, hisdead nephew is now dead nephew shot Tupac.
But the whole story is a joke. You know, obviously they purposely
missed Suge Knight, even though thecontract was a million dollars to kill Suge

(47:59):
Knight and Tupac, and it wasn't. You know, it's of course made
up contract. But that's that's that'sthe story. That's absurd story. So
it wasn't it wasn't a nephew inlike a sling due to his injury from
earlier in the scuffle he was didn'the go to the hospital and he had
his arm to sling. Well,that's that's actually doing. V. D.

(48:21):
Davis' story that he said in aninterview is yeah that well, you
know, they hurt him so badthat scuffle that he had to go to
the emergency room after the scuffle andthey had to make his arm his right
arm was so hurt so bad theyhad to put him in a sling.
And yet then he somehow is youknow, a marksman with shooting and killing

(48:42):
Tupac. After that. It's it'sso laughable but you know, got I've
got a new film coming that's gonnacover some of this stuff. So anyway,
it's just a big it's yeah,it's a lot of absurd stories.
Do you think they're going to justpush us through and like you know,
railroad it right through, get itall squared away, you know, no

(49:05):
trial, no nothing boom. Andthey have they've had some kind of court
proceedings, so you know, it'sit's been held off. There's some kind
of delay. I don't know what'sgoing on right now with it, but
yeah, they're going to put itthrough. They put them up on one
charge. Usually they they have alot, you know, a number of
charges against people to hope that onesticks, you know, or to just

(49:30):
make a bigger case of something.I mean, this was you know,
one of the most high profile murdersin decades, and they just put up
put them up with one charge.So whatever. It's just it's just a
you know, it's a show trialthat they'll they might get a commitment.
They'll probably get a commiction. Onehe admitted to it. The confession he

(49:51):
Swizzly gave was back in two thousandand nine. Here it is twenty twenty
three. You know, and forgreat cating and you know, so the
whole thing is ridiculous. And heeven came out with the book talking about
all the whole thing a few yearsago, and still it takes them this
long, you know, till twentytwenty three to say, Okay, well

(50:13):
now we think we have enough evidenceand we're gonna take him to trial.
So I doubt if he if he, you know, once he's now that
he's in the system, I'd besurprised if they even let him live,
because now they've got him confessing toit, They've they've got evidence to show
that he did it, they've gothim incarcerated. They don't really even need

(50:36):
to convict him of it. Theycould just have him killed in prison now,
and they could be like, yeah, it was probably done because somebody
was upset that he he you know, him and his nephew shot Tupac and
killed Tupac and then boom done.It's all cleaned up, all the loose
ends are swept under the rug,and no more problems. It's certainly possible.
Yeah, News, I would notbe surprised if it happens. To

(50:59):
be honest, There's something else Iwant to ask you because you brought up
P Diddy and this made me think, so did you notice suddenly, And
I'm not saying that P Didty's nota dirt bag er. I don't know
right, I am not defending himor anything, but you brought up and
I know that like they used againstTupac, they tried to. They got
him on like a sexual assault chargeand it wasn't even sexual assault, but

(51:22):
that's what you know it was called. But he didn't really, he didn't
sexually assault the woman, and that'show they got him. All of a
sudden, P. Diddy has allthese women coming out saying, you know,
accusing him of sexual assault. Andit's right around the same time that
Dwayne Davis gets arrested for killing Tupacand saying, oh, well, P

(51:43):
Didty's the one that you know,he funded this, And then suddenly,
so P Didty is now getting targetedwith you know, Dwayne Davis saying he
was involved in Tupac's murder, andthen now all of a sudden, he's
got these charges out of nowhere ofsexual assault that supposedly happened years and years
and years ago. And I'm notsaying I'm not defending him because I don't

(52:04):
know they could be two mutually exclusivethings. But I think it's interesting how
incidental it is very and and Idon't think, you know, yeah,
I just I don't think. Ithink it's too coincidental. I agree with
you. And look when he triedto get involved in a group called the

(52:25):
Hip Hop Summing the Action Network,which was created a like a ten point
plan that wasn't quite as radical asthe Black Panther ten point Program, but
it was. It was actually prettyclose, believe it or not. It
was a radical group headed by thatwas you had consultants in some top black
professors, like a Democratic socialist professorfrom Columbia University, Manny Marrable, was

(52:51):
a consultant for the group. Therewas other Benjamin Chavis. I think it
would end up coming on the BACP. I think he was advising the group
for the Hip Hop some Action Network. There's loads of top rappers getting involved
and trying to call, you know, trying to get peace and you know,
get rid of the East West youknow, you know, East versus

(53:13):
West rivalry that was manufactured by theU. S. Intelligence but certainly by
the media too well, you know, for US intelligence, but and trying
to do some really good stuff,really good activism, you know. And
as soon as that group you know, got more serious and got and you
know, had some annual conferences,the people like P Diddy that got involved

(53:37):
were targeted, were politically targeted.He was brought up when a gun possession
charge P Diddy when some government informantshot at him. And and so when
I was in New York City atthat time, I heard heard the just
you know, ABC News say thatthey've spent spent more money on a gun

(53:59):
to try, you know, geta commction on a gun possession charge in
the P. Diddy case, andthen any other gun possession charge in the
history of New York. So thisis the kind of stuff they were doing.
And most of the people that wereinvolved in hip, some of an
action network, some of the biggestrap stars and the biggest rap producers were
all targeted. And I you know, document that by the first version of

(54:20):
my book, but I have partof that too in the second version of
my book. So, yeah,that's the way this stuff works is they
they try to get you in alot of different ways. And I do
think that that's probably why it's nocoincidence that, like you said, that
all these you know, accusations comeup at this time. I mean,

(54:43):
look at Russell Brand. He doessome serious activist work as a podcaster.
He gets about five or six millionviewers of his podcast you know, listeners
to his podcasts, and you know, and all of a sudden, loads
of different accusations pop up against him. Yeah, and he loses you know,
some as he's I think he lostYouTube and a lot of other of

(55:04):
his carriers of his podcasts because ofit. Yep, he did. And
it's I think they used the chargersof sexual assault because it's such a heinous
thing and it's such a despicable,disgusting crime that nobody, it's it's hard
to find somebody that wants to getbehind the accused and defend them against that.

(55:29):
And it's a way of, youknow, their reputation is being assassinated.
It's a way of murdering their reputation. Yeah, you know, and
if that doesn't work, then theyhave to resort to like what they did
with Tupac. I mean, theyalthough he seemed to be bulletproof and like
you know, for a minute therehe was surviving some intense things that you
know, like you said, therewere multiple attempts on his life, and

(55:52):
finally they brought in some sort ofprofessional whether it be police officer, sheriff,
or even military or contractor somebody wasprofessional enough to hit him four times
without hitting somebody that was like threetimes the size of him. M yeah,
I mean even in that quad recordingstudio hit it looked like a military

(56:14):
job because they put one bull inthem to put him down the ground,
and then two bolts went through theback of his skull and came out in
front of the skull. According tothe doctors after David you know, had
my book, and they barely missedhis brain those two bullets he got.
It was just he got really luckythey didn't quite kill him. And but

(56:37):
then of course, you know inVegas they did. But yeah, so
it was awful. And then ofcourse first they tried to pin loads of
they tried to get lots of peopleto you know, women to accuse him
of different things, and had ahard time. You know, some women
refused to but of course they gotthis one woman too, you know that

(57:00):
work according to up finding that hehad consentsual sex with this woman. Yeah,
they knew, of course, theyhad consensual sex a few days before,
but then that night the jury found, you know, when when she
came back to see him again afew nights later after consensual sex, you
know, a night that first startedwith her giving him a blowjob on the

(57:21):
dance on a dance floor and thenyou know, having consensual sex that night.
She then comes back a few nightslater and admits, you know,
basically they have oral sex, andand they jury found that it was consensual.
But then there was apparently one jurorwho wouldn't give up on something and

(57:45):
was keeping the jury there forever,according to an inside jury report that was
in it was an Esquire magazine orwhatever. But they finally just to get
out of it all because there isone durer was holding them up forever.
They said he touched her butt againsther will after consensual sex, and for

(58:06):
that he got one and a halfto four and a half years and in
maximum security prison. It's truly incredible, but so nonetheless, that's that's the
way you know, these things canplay out when you have US intelligence involved,
and so we will never know exactlywhat's going on with Russell Brandon.
All these different women's accusations, norwith Sean P. Diddy Combs. But

(58:30):
the timing of these things is alittle too coincidental for, you know,
to make them seem legit. Imean, it's the same thing they even
did, whether people like Trump ornot, It's the same thing they did
with him, though with the egeneCarol Chick they tried throwing it's they have
a model, like a playbook thatif the US intelligence doesn't like you for

(58:52):
whatever reason, you won't starve warson their behalf or your tupac and you're
stopping you know, you're stopping literallygang wars and the spread of drugs because
I mean, he probably realized thatthey were the CIA was spreading drugs into
the black community to keep them controlled. So he was trying to do something
about it, and he was beingtoo effective at what he was doing.

(59:14):
And yeah, he rapped about that, you know, they get drugs in
our community and kill our unity andyou know and cry immunity. So yeah,
he rapped about that early on,when he was even eighteen nineteen years
old. So with his song PantherPower talks about you know, Cee I
getting drugs in the community. Soyeah, no, doubt. This is

(59:39):
what they do to people. Now. You know, of course Trump,
uh, you know, said somemisogynist stuff and all that. I don't
I don't know that stuff with Trump. What's true, what's not true.
But I agree that he you know, even though I've read, you know,
I've heard to spic despicable things aboutTrump's history as president. He didn't

(01:00:04):
he didn't start a new war,and he didn't you know, get some
mob in mass murder in new war. So as bad as he might have
been on other subjects, you know, I don't even know all all this
stuff. I mean, getting ayou know, hurting the abortion rights issue
was too, it was terrible,I think, but the but not getting
a mass murder in another war isa big thing. And when you know

(01:00:28):
buy into that, Yeah, thatyou can get targeted is no doubt.
I don't know that. I researchedthe situation with Trump. That's one of
the reasons they blew Kennedy's head off. So uh, it was there was,
there was a few things. Butone of the reasons they blew his
head off and blamed Oswald because becauseKennedy wanted to Startney War. Yep,
he was going to back out ofVietnam. He didn't want to, you

(01:00:51):
know, they wanted him to bombCuba, right you. Curtis la May
was like, let's nuke Cuba.It was like, whoa, whoa,
you guys are crazy. I know, doubt, no doubt. Yeah,
I mean I had him drugs weaponsagainst This book and film about how he
was, you know, he wasdefinitely pulling out of Vietnam. He was

(01:01:15):
he was trying to close down theCI's Operation MK Ultra. He tried to
close it down twice. They keptbe going behind his back and they had
to change the name of it tom K Search. But he also is
pulling out the Vietnam War where allthat, all his poppy fields were for
all that you know, opiates andheroin, all that cheap opiates and heroin

(01:01:35):
work, and uh for doing that. Of course, you know, I
think that's one of the reasons theykilled him. Yes, oh no,
I totally agree. A lot ofpeople have their own theories, but that's
like one of the biggest things.I mean, even Oliver Stone pointed to
that in with Fletcher Proudy's character ofmister X talking to Garrison, where he's
like, you know, how muchmoney did Bell helicopter make because of the

(01:01:59):
war. You know, think aboutit, and it's the same thing.
You know, they if and allTrump's bad stuff aside. The only reason
why they went after him because hewouldn't start New Wars. If he had
started New Wars, they would haveoverlooked all that stuff. They wouldn't have
cared. Yeah, they wouldn't havecared. They just wouldn't have if he
had. But he just he didn'tstart New Wars. So I don't I'm

(01:02:22):
not a fan. I'm not.I don't like left right politics because I
get the bigger picture. But Iknew I yeah, I mean, well
you could see it's a unit party, but you know they're all on it,
them versus everybody else. But Imean, look what happened with COVID.
But you know it's this. Thereason I had brought him up was

(01:02:45):
because it's got Even with him assuch a character, as big as a
former president, they still use thissame playbook where they go after they try
to assassinate the character first, andthen if it doesn't work, it leads
up to something something else. Inthis case, he's too high profile,
I think really for something that happenedto at least at this point. So

(01:03:05):
I think that that's why they're goingafter him with all of the you know
anything for you know, financial orall these different states are going after him.
It's they're throwing everything they can athim, and they fear him.
For whatever reason, they feared Tupac. I mean, it's incredible how much
they feared Tupac as somebody who couldcreate culture and use culture to get truth

(01:03:28):
and transparency through to different communities.I mean it wasn't just I know a
lot of black kids listened to him, but I mean I was. I
remember when Tupac came out. I'myou know, I was a teenager,
and I remember everybody I knew itdidn't matter what race you were because this
whole thing about racism that's going onnow. Didn't you remember, You're we're
around the same age, John,Like our generation it was different. Yeah,

(01:03:52):
it was. It was much differentworld, man, Like people stopped
that that wasn't a thing. AndI growing up, I remember being you
know, listening to Tupac. Iremember listening to Biggie. I remember listening
to you know, and everybody Iknew listened to Tupacc had a way of
like reaching out to you and actuallydidn't matter what culture you were from.

(01:04:14):
You could listen to his music andfind something in it that like you connected
with. And that's why he wasdangerous. John. Yeah, I've got
friends from the friend from the CaucasianMountains, Caucasus mountains, you know,
a white guy who loved Tupac.He said he helped them survive through the
Serbian you know, the warl inSerbia and Yugoslavia and that the whole area

(01:04:35):
you know, where the Bosnian conflictwas, and said, it's just white
and black worldwide. White white,you know, young whites and blacks worldwide
who listened to Tupac were inspired byhim. And yeah, it really is
incredible his reach to young people aroundthe world and how much he inspired people,

(01:04:57):
No doubt about it, he did. He definitely inspired people, and
you know, I know that theyfeared him because of that. And he
got into hip hop, right,he got into that whole gangster rap scene
because he was trying to use thatas a cover to be able to speak
truth to the audience that he wastrying to reach. Correct, Right,

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he was trying to pretend to bethis gangster in order to peel the gangs
and put a size them, youknow. And really he was an intellectual
prodigy. You know, he wroteShakespeare in modern language and you know,
produced the plays and started him.He was just, you know, brilliant
young man. Before he was outof his teen years he was, he'd

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read you know, hundreds of PhDlevel books, according to Professor Michael Eric
Dyson, who saw the library hehad that Leila Steinberg had saved, you
know, in her house when hewas he was temporarily living with her and
still attending her poetry readings for yearsand stuff like that. So she she
was his first manager, actually,this woman, Layla Steinberg. But yeah,

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he was, you know, reallywhat he was was a brilliant intellectual
guy. And it's too bad thatpeople didn't get to know that that real
Tupac because of that that doug lifeplan and you know, pretend to be
a gangst in order to peel thegangs and put his size because he was
really a brilliant young man who,uh, you know, according to many,

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would have been like another Martha Kingor Malcolm X type of person,
no doubt. Yeah, if hewere alive today, I wonder you know,
it would just be interesting to seewhat he had to say about everything
that's going on. Yeah, forsure, And yeah he was he was
super intelligent. He was. Hewas not he was made to look like

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an unintelligent thug, like the mediawould portray him to be just this thug
character, and he wasn't anything butthat he was a super super intelligent,
very deep individual. I think theone time I ever saw him act in
a movie was that movie I thinkit was called Poetic Justice or something like
that he did with Janet Jackson,and you could actually see in his acting

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with her and just in those scenesthat there actually was more of a level
of depth to Tupac than I thinkmany people gave him credit for. Yeah,
I agree that gridlocked USO. YeahI felt that way. But yeah,
he had you know, he wason a mission to save young black

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males. That's what he told laSteinberg gets way, he told you know
others, So you know it isyou know, I think a reverend in
this area neighborhood say what do youwant to be when you grew up when
he was thirteen years old, andhe said a revolutionary. That's that's what
he knew from his black panther extendedfamily, and that's what he vowed to

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be, you know, just notrev was sharing the sense of overthrowing the
government, but just of just changingyou know, society for the better,
and I think for all of us, not just you know, even black
community, because yeah, you know, I think he had really great aspirations
since first, Uh, his bestfriend at the Balmore College School for the

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Arts was was a you know,a white kid who was you know,
from a wealthy family and just totallydifferent, you know, blonde, blue
white kid who they just they justconnected on the artistic level and just became
close friends. And so he wasjust that way. It was just really

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just really felt connected to to allcommunities of the oppressed and not you know,
so and just he just connected onpersonal level with all different types of
people in general. Yes, no, he did. I mean like his
music, even just his music orthe things he was saying. And you
know, he wasn't this like youknow, he wasn't a misogynistic, you

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know ahole as a lot of peoplewould have him, you know, made
out to be either. I mean, he made a song called Dear Mama.
I mean, if anyone's ever listenedto that song you know, or
some of his other songs like You'llthere's messages there. He was actually speaking
to the youth, like the blackyouth, in saying what are you doing?

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Like and it was being done insuch an effective way that, yeah,
he could knowing what they want.They the powers that shouldn't be,
want to do with everybody and keepus all separated and keep us hating each
other. They can't have him doingthat because imagine where we'd be today,
John as a society if Tupac hadlived, can you imagine? Yeah,

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yeah, he was. I thinkhe had such incredible potential as a unifier
and just to expose you know,all the crap, all the militarism and
all this stuff. Yeah, it'sreally something what he could have been.
But like, they really do wantto get rid of anyone like him.
I mean, he was really beforehis time. But I think they also

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want to get rid of you know, beautiful voices that were speaking for peace,
especially musicians who could you know,really touch people's hearts and minds.
And that's why I also covered youknow, John Lennon and what I thought
us intelligence is murder of him andJimi Hendrix and of course, believe it

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or not, Kurt Cobain, becauseCobain was probably the most you know,
after Tupacs, you know, Imean before Tupac's death. Cobain died you
know, of course in ninety four, nineteen ninety four, and he at
that time was probably way the mostinfluential guy in the world, you know,
just kind of beloved by many atthe time of his death. And

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he was also someone who was antiwar and you know, anti racism and
anti homophobia and anti misogyny and stuff, and he just he was kind of
an activist on the side, notnot quite like Tupac by any nothing like
Tupac, but still an activist onthe side. And you know, he

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had said actually in a book thatcame out before his death that he thought
he should have put all kinds ofanarchistic essays about how to make your own
bomb and you know, and thingslike that on the cover of never Mind,
but he thought maybe they should comeyou know, more popular first,
and then they people would listen toit more and listen to them more.

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And so that came out, youknow, in Michael Asrad's book about Nirvana
that came out in nineteen ninety threebefore Cobain died, and I really think
that you know, they used KurtCobain more. They manipulated him more to
promote heroin and then when he threatenedto promote sobriety and promote more you know,

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activism, they had they had todeal him in at the age of
twenty seven. And uh so,you know, he fell in line with
the murder of Jimi Hendrix at twentyseven when Jimmy Hendricks had turned into an
anti war activist before his death andit supported the Black Panthers before his death.
And Janis Joplin, who was youknow, I argue was given a

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hot shot before her death because shewas about to do two major stadium concerts
against the Vietnam War to raise moneyfor anti war efforts. And that was
actually unusual at that time. Therewasn't anything like that happening until you know
that there's big concerts that this guyPeter Yarrow was organizing with the biggest jenz

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Joppain was one of the biggest namesat those concerts, so you know,
they really wanted to do her inand and actually, you know, I'm
writing an article in this now forco Proaction magazine but before they did her
in, the guy had had toldother girlfriends, you know, other people

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that he was you know, undercoverFBI agent when he when he got engaged
to get married to Jane's Choplin gother hooked on speed and and then she
found out that he had a wifeand family somewhere else and and broke off
the engagement, but she was alreadyhooked on speed. So it's incredible what

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they do to some of these younginfluential people that are you know, idealistic
minded. They they've got to dothem in. They can't. They won't
let them be you know, voicesthat influence people for the for you know,
the greater good. Yeah, theidea. I mean definitely Jenis Joplin
and Hendrix at the time. Youcouldn't have two big voices being anti war,

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you know. I mean, ifthey're willing to kill a president over
a war, they're certainly going tokill a musician over war. It doesn't
matter how popular they are. KurtCobain, you know, that's another thing.
It's like, you know, itmakes total sense because they use him
to promote that heroin culture, tothat to the generation of yes it was.

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And then if he turned around andsaid, well, you know what
I'm gonna I'm gonna promote sobriety insteadof doing heroin. I mean that power.
He could have saved a lot ofpeople from being heroin addicts, and
that's not good for business if businessis selling heroin. So I mean that
that makes it a great case forwanting to kill him. And then of

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course Lenin obviously because John Lennon wasso prolific. Whether people liked to his
music or not, he was veryprolific, and he did have a massive,
massive following in reach. He hadbecome such a pop culture icon and
if he had been like, hey, you know, we shouldn't be in
Vietnam, he could sway a lotof people's opinions on that matter. And

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you couldn't have that. You justcouldn't have that. Yeah, he was
pushing for peace in a big wayin Vietnam. He also I think he
was given he I think it wasmerv Griffin or that allowed him to take
over his show for a week andhe had black panther leaders on the show
and he had other you know,great activists won that show for that week.

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But I think Bobby Seal was onthere for example. But anyway,
and then you know, they theytried to take away his it's a green
card. They tried to kick himout of the US. They tried to
get him, you know, theyrasked him in a lot of ways,
but they nonetheless, he went,you know, kind of laid low for

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about five years just to raise hisson. And then when he came out
of you know, his reclue,his five years, you know, out
of the limelight, he came outthese two albums, and they seem to
have a plan for him already,and you know, and he was gonna
lead a Teamster march, so hewas already back into activism. He you

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know, had sent a press releaseto out about the fact that he was
going to be marching, you know, in the front with these Teamsters and
they're gonna speak at a rally forthem. And so here, you know,
Reagan Bush team was coming into powerat that time, and they were
going to lead some major conflicts inCentral America, you know, with the

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old contra crack cocaine stuff happening withthe nic Araguan Contras and all that stuff.
And so you know, a voicelike John Lennon's being around to counter
that and to raise awareness of thatwould not not have been good for their
policies, and it was that timeto get rid of them. And so
that operation they conducted was a majorwith uh you hypnotized or whatever, drugged

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and hypnotized Mark David Chapman and thedoorman being a CIA hit man named Jose
Paradomo whose jeroness Perdomo. And youthink they used Chapman like they did Sir
Hans, Sirhan, where he wasjust the the the gunman that everybody saw,
but the real guy that killed himwas the doorman. Yeah, I

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think so. I mean Chapman probablyfired some bullets. I mean they gave
him, you know, holow point, a police officer gave him hollow point
bullets to shoot and had trained Chapmanin becoming a you know, a good
shooter. But they couldn't be sureabout, you know, if the drugs
and hypnosis would would work so well, so they had to have the backup

(01:17:58):
shooter, which was that it wasa Paradomo, you know, who was
a member of the Cuban exile communitythat was part of you know, it's
a hitman for the CIA, sayand and so, yeah, I definitely,
you know, whichever bullets did it, the combination of the of those
two shooters bullets, you know,company did the job sadly enough, tragically

(01:18:21):
enough. And apparently when the policefirst came to the scene, they actually
first thought that it was a Pardomowas the was the murder. But you
know, higher ups, obviously itmust have intervened and said, no,
it's it's the pats here at MarkDavid Chapman. So that's the way it's

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the details of it. That theway you reportedly went down, Dah it
was. You know, it's easyto blame somebody like Chapman in the same
way it's easy to blame somebody likeOrhan, especially if they've been mind controlled
and then they don't have recollection ofcertain things. It makes them look crazy,
makes them look like maybe they blackedout or went into some type of
fue date. So then they lockedthem up and the other guy walks away.

(01:19:08):
Frae. Mean, that's how theygot Bobby Kennedy too, you know,
sure hand was you know, shootingfrom the front. Yet Kennedy was
shot from behind his ear and theonly person that was you know, the
the closest person behind him was ThaneEugene Caesar, you know, who just
happened to be a security guard inthe basement, you know, and who
hated the n His security group wasstarted by a former CIA agent, you

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know, just a few months beforethe event. And Yeah, the coroner
said the shots came from within,you know inch and back of the year.
I got that in my film,got the corners talking describing that in
my film Drugs Weapons against the CIAwar musicians and activists and so with Yeah,
and so they did some of thesame techniques to Mark David Chapman in

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terms of, uh, putting himin a mental hospital to do what they
need to do with him, toyou know, use hypnosis and drugs.
They He'd already had drugs in hishistory, but I'm sure there's other you
know, drugs to to enhance thehypnosis too. And they sent them into
work war scenes in Lebanon to exposehim to shootings to make it, you

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know, more familiar to him.And with Sir hanser Hand, I've got
in my film Drugs Weapons that uh, this hypnotist you know, uh Mark,
I think his name's uh Bryant,William Bryant. He actually had bragged
to two prostitutes he used regularly thathe had he had, you know,

(01:20:42):
hypnotized their hands or hand to haveuh, you know, Robert Kennedy killed.
And you know he says that withenough drugs and hypnosis, yea,
you can you can get someone todo anything you'd like, anything you want
to have one film saying that.So yeah, it's it's ugly. And
so that's why I actually think ouronly hope in the next presidential election,

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even though it's you know, youcan't count anything because it seems like things
are so controlled. But I stillam going to do some activist work to
try to get Robert F. KennedyJunior in the presidential office or at least
get him, you know, inthe limelight, to get him on stage
in debates or something. You know, hopefully get him you know some uh

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you know, get get people listeningto him a little bit, because he
is exposing some incredible stuff at hisspeeches and interviews. You know, when
all these things about his uncle andhis dad and the way they were killed
by the CIA, and just exposingthe war industry and everything else. He's
really saying some amazing things in public. I'm glad he's still alive. I

(01:21:47):
hope he stays alive for many moreyears because he's done some incredible work.
You know, his book, TheReal Anthony Fauci is amazing. You know.
Of course I thought I studied alot just from my film to produce
my film, but of course,his book They Anthony Falci is documented to
the teeth. You know, mybooks have probably a one thousand end notes

(01:22:11):
each in his book has even more. And he's he's just a brilliant guy.
He's done brilliant work around these issuesthat he writes about. Yeah,
I see him dropping truth bombs andknowledge at like his events, and I'm
like, you know, I'm like, wow, It's it's about time that
somebody from the Kennedy family said something, because all the time, whenever researchers,

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I know, when I bring stuffup, or whenever you see people
mainstream they talk about researchers, they'reaways like all these conspiracy theorists, they're
going to upset the Kennedy family.And it's like, no, here's Bobby's
kid and he's saying, no,my dad and my uncle were both murdered
by the CIA, and it's like, well, Mike drop yeah, it's

(01:22:58):
really fantastic that what he's doing,it's really amazing. I just hope,
yeah, I hope he lives throughall this and gets more. Just some
weird attempt. It seemed like therewas almost like an attempt on his life
recently. Yeah, the guy camewith guns on him to an event and

(01:23:18):
I think he pretended to be aguard of some sort. Yeah, it's
it's just stuff happening that hopefully,hopefully they're people were to be able to
keep them safe in some way.But they're not giving him, you know,
selective service security like they are supposedto with all presidential candidates. And

(01:23:39):
it's just it's ugly what they're doing. But I mean trusts like you know,
the Secret Service around around them.So who knows what's what's the best
way to do things. He's probablysafer without them as his security, yeah
he is. He's probably better offhiring like private security, vetting them,
hiring it, you know, maybemake like a third party, you know,

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however you do it, but don'tdon't go don't do anybody that's affiliated
with the CIA and you know,or the Secret Service, because if you
have either the secrets when the Kennedyshave the Secret Service protection around them is
when they're most vulnerable. It seemsI'm just going by by like historical events
here. But if I if mylast name was Kennedy, I wouldn't I'd

(01:24:21):
be like, no, you keepyour Secret Service protection. Thanks. I
know, yeah, I agree withyou. Yeah, they haven't been helpful
so right, And you know,I mean when you research it, you
know, uh, how how deepthe rabbit hole goes there. I mean,
you don't get away with killing asitting president unless the vice president,

(01:24:44):
the head of the Secret Service,and the head of the FBI are all
in on it. Yeah, nodoubt about it. And unless you're just
you know, then you can bethe patsy and you can shoot magic bullets
and stuff that defy you know,gravity and to defy physics and every thing
else. They just zig zag likethis. I'm surprised that this military hasn't
developed that that bullet in fifty yearsdidn't didn't you know, I'm sure I'm

(01:25:08):
surprised they wouldn't want that for Vietnam. Just kind of weird how that works
with one bullet. Yeah, yeah, it'd be well, I guess no,
maybe they wouldn't want that, Johnbecause it'd be more efficient and then
they'd sell less bullets, so theywouldn't want that. Maybe that's why when
it comes to the music industry asa whole, Uh, do you see

(01:25:31):
like knowing what you know about howthey manipulated Tupunk and everything else? Uh,
and what he was trying to do? Do you do you see any
anybody nowadays even like emulating that samething like him or Cobaine or you know,
Hendrix or Janis Joplin or do youthink that they've got that pretty much
on lockdown now? Yeah, it'shary to know. I thought that.

(01:25:57):
Of course, Rage Against the Machinewas a great activist group, and they
they tried to get their concerts canceled, uh, you know, saying for
fear of risk of a riot.But luckily I got to. I ran
into Zach de Larroca in the NewerkanPoet's Cafe, and I was just handing

(01:26:23):
out like things for my Covert ActionCorley article, the first one I had
in there about Tupac and and Zachsaid, oh, I love that magazine,
you know, And I told himabout you know what I was writing
for it, and so we talkedand he just told me about that how
they tried to cancel his concerts,but he said that they successfully sued and

(01:26:45):
got their concerts reinstated. But youknow, obviously something broke up their their
group too too soon in two thousandand you know, I'm glad they have
gotten back together for concert as hereand there. Me and my wife just
saw Rage, you know, inWashington, d C. Playing Washington d

(01:27:08):
C about you know, maybe ayear ago or so, and it was
great, great concert. Me wentsix months ago, but that was you
know, he was they were stillexcellent, and so you know, I
think they're obviously they haven't really Idon't think they put out a new album
or c D. But they're stillgetting out there. And besides, uh,

(01:27:30):
Rage against the Machine, you know, I think I think Nipsey Hustle,
that rapper was trying to do somethinggood when he was trying to talk
about you know, different He wastrying to do a documentary about this doctor
who was doing finding all kinds ofgreat herbal remedies to go outside and and

(01:27:50):
you know, of the main medicalsystem. And it was really it was
really sounded really interesting to me tokind of show the pharmaceutical companies is a
big farce and so corrupt and sosorry. My dog just kind of busted
in here many so, you know, I think I think he could have.

(01:28:12):
He could he was doing some goodstuff and so sad that that we
lost him. But yeah, Ijust I've been doing so much writing that
I just haven't had time to explorethat much new music and find anything that
that's activist. These days, it'smore just you're in a little music here
and there just for pleasure, andnot even being able to find anyone who's

(01:28:38):
who's you know, at the leveland with the activist bent besides rage against
the machine, you know, asthese other guys are written about. Yeah,
I was a little disappointed in rageor at least Tom Morello, uh
and his stance on vaccines and stuff, and like do they all feel that
way or just Tom Morella? Idon't know, I know that like he

(01:28:59):
was. He was pretty vocal.That's why I said, I'm not sure
if it's the whole band or justhim in general, but I was a
little disappointed in his stance. Iwas like, you're raging for the machine
right now, You're not raging againstthe machine. What are you doing.
Yeah, No, that's a shame. That's a real shame if that's what
he's saying. Yeah, he waslike big for masks and vaccines, and
I was like, oh god,don't you guys see what's going on.

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They're trying to scare you right now. Yeah, Zach Delroco wasn't feeling the
same way. But I mean,to be honest with you, Yeah,
I don't know how the whole bandfelt. I'm not sure, but I
know him, he was vocal aboutit. I'm not really sure if if
it was the band or just him. Yeah. Yeah, he's a great
guitar player. It's too bad.Yeah, you know, I mean there's

(01:29:44):
a lot of people that fell forit. And I mean, now you
can see people are dropping dead suddenly. It's all these athletes, all these
people, they're just dropping dead intheir thirties. I'm forty six, and
I see people half of my agedropping dead of heart attacks. And I'm
like, that's not normal. Thatwasn't a thing until a few years ago.

(01:30:08):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.Yeah, it's so bizarre. And
Michael yen And, the former ChiefScience Officer and Vice president of Adviser,
said that he thinks that it's reallyeven gonna get a lot worse between uh,
you know, after three years aftertake the vaccine and up to ten

(01:30:30):
years after take the vaccine is whenit's all gain a lot even worse than
it is now. That's what I'veread. But people like, you know,
I tried. I when it happened, I actually twenty nineteen was going
on, and I had just Ihad taken like a two year hiatus,
and I had just started going andstreaming again, and you know, we

(01:30:51):
were taught. I was talking aboutthis stuff like November December, and then
you know, I had people reachingout to me that I knew contacts over
the years, retired military police officers, and they're like, hey, get
like a month's supply of stuff becausethere's a lockdown coming. And I was
like, oh, okay, soI made try that stuff. Yeah,

(01:31:13):
and then again, and I startedtelling people at the end of December,
they're gonna I don't know what itis that's floating around, okay, but
whatever it is, I know whatthe government's reaction is gonna be, so
prepare And I had people calling mea fearmonger and everything else, and literally
overnight everything just went the crap.And suddenly as soon as they canceled,
you know, basketball and the NBAgot canceled. It got real for Americans

(01:31:38):
because like people still didn't believe itfor weeks. Lie, I's like,
okay, I'm getting ready, andI told I tried to tell everybody I
could. I was going on Twitter. I got banned on YouTube. I
literally got blocked. The friend ofmine who was doing live streaming. He's
since passed away, but and hegot the shot. I don't know if

(01:31:59):
there's a correlation or not, buthe had some other health issues. But
I was on his broadcast and he'dbring me on the weekend and YouTube blocked
his monetization and he was disabled.He relied on that monetization to survive.
They told him they had to delete. He had to delete everything with me
on it and be good for amonth and they'd give him his monetization back.

(01:32:20):
And that's what he did. Andthen he wasn't allowed to talk about
COVID, couldn't talk about vaccines,couldn't talk about nothing. And it's only
gotten worse on YouTube. I meanI get emails every day from them saying,
hey you because you know I havea couple of YouTube channels and I'll
get an email for each channel.Hey, we removed this this interview and

(01:32:41):
John, it's stuff I did twelvethirteen, fourteen years ago, and they're
removing it off of YouTube because they'resaying it violates community guidelines for against vaccines
or like I said to you,they've hit me for like hate speech.
They've hit me for all this garbage. And it's like, I thought this
was only being used, you know, because originally they rolled it out and

(01:33:04):
they said, oh, it's onlyfor only against the COVID vaccine and against
COVID, and now all of asudden, it's against anything that they consider
misinformation, which I mean they couldsay your books and all of your work
is considered misinformation because it doesn't goalong with the official version of events with
a lot of things. And thenboom, they just take away your videos.

(01:33:27):
Did you, I mean, haveyou experienced any censorship or negative repercussions
from all this? Yes, Shotshas been majorly censored. And then after
I came out with Shots, whensomeone just tried to interview me about Kurt
Cobain, they found that they'd beencensored by YouTube for the first time because

(01:33:48):
of having me one just to talkabout you know, Kurt Cobain, and
so lots of people experienced censorship they'dnever experienced before after I came out with
my Shots film and when even whenthey interviewed me about you know, something
unshots related, just about you know, drugs and weapons against US or TUPAC

(01:34:08):
or whatever. So yeah, it'sthat's happened. It's been a little tough
that way. But now now myyou know, they stopped doing that as
much because some of my TUPAC interviewshave been on YouTube, so it's been
you know back. But even evenwhen they're bet on YouTube, they seem
to get their viewership frozen at somepoint, like where the number of views

(01:34:31):
seems to be, the numbers frozeneven though you know, the interview is
still up there. It's kind ofstrange where they where they can manipulate the
numbers. But either way, that'sthat's what's been happening. Yeah, that's
like their mo o. They'll dothat the like you know, it'll say
it's got a couple of thousand views, and all of a sudden, it'll

(01:34:53):
just freeze and it never It couldbe linked to twenty mainstream sites and you
know it's getting hundreds of thousands ofviews, and it'll never rise above like
two thousand views, or if eventhey do it with my stuff, they'll
they'll usually it stops once it getspast like three hundred. It gets in
the three hundreds, and the counterjust dud. It stops. Same thing

(01:35:15):
with my subscription stuff. So itdoesn't surprise me especially. I mean,
you're you're firing some shots across thebow, John, You're your your work
is I mean, how many peoplewould know. I don't think people would.
There are some good books out there, but your stuff. This is
why I said, you really area great investigative journalist. You dig into

(01:35:38):
the nitty gritty, You get allthis information and you, I mean you
when I have the first time Iread your book about Tupac, I was
blown away. I remember I contactedyou, reached out to you. You
sent me a copy of the book, and my brain melted immediately when I
read it. I was like,Holy, how did I not know any
of this? With all the researchI've done? How did I not know

(01:35:59):
this? So I implore people toget your books by the movies, support
you in every way possible, becauseyour your work is bar none like it
is top of the line, andI don't I don't promote people, you
know, I don't promote people,John unless they're good. So I appreciate
your work, and you know,I really do. And I know that

(01:36:20):
I only got a few minutes leftwith you here because time is running out,
so I wanted to there's a fewquick questions I wanted to because I
know we got sidetracked a little,but I just want to get back to
the music industry. And you'd broughtup Cobain. That was one of the
questions. When it comes to Cobain'sdeath. Do you think that he I

(01:36:41):
mean, do you think the scenewas staged? Do you think they they
probably drugged him or something and thenshot him to make it look like the
suicide. Yeah, they found valumein him, and so I think they
drugged his shrink with a lot ofbenzodazepine. And I say, you know,
I think it was It was somekind of benzodazepine vallumes of benzidazepine and
it really sedates you in a bigway. So I think that they put

(01:37:01):
a huge amount benz todazepine in adrink of his got him sedated in a
big way and then and then didwhat they needed to do to grab him
and shoot him up with a lotof heroin, enough heroin that would have
killed you know, a severe addictat least three times. That's how much

(01:37:24):
heroin was in him, you know, you know, according to Cyril Wect,
you know top you know, toxicforensic ethologists in the country. But
you know, so they definitely murderedthat way. And then they used the
shotgun to pretend like he was suicidal. And but yeah, I think that's

(01:37:45):
the way they killed him. Andand uh, you know, there's all
kinds of ridiculous stuff at the scene. You know, he apparently took his
works out of his arm, puthim neatly away in a kit drug kit
when you know, Seril Weck topoint out, that's ridiculous. You know,
you can't do that. You diewithin seconds of shooting up a massive

(01:38:08):
amount of heroin as much as hehad in the system. And so yeah,
that's basically the way they did itwith him. But it was Courtney
Love clearly, you know, eatingin that situation. But it was professionals
that set it up. You know, they had their their their way of

(01:38:29):
setting it up, making it lookone way, then having police say immediately,
you know, calling it a suicidethe same day, which is a
joke. Suicide note was itself wasabsurd, you know, it didn't even
you had two different forms of handwritingand the suicide note, but you know,
it was just wasn't even his handwriting. They think, you know,

(01:38:50):
so many different aspects of it thatwere absurd. For them to call it
a suicide the same day as ridiculousbecause you got to get fingerprints back from
you know, the gun, andthey but they said they found that,
you know, they you know,much time later, they said there was
no fingerprints on the gun. Theydidn't they didn't process the photographs. They

(01:39:14):
didn't even develop the photographs of thecrime scene, which could have shown a
lot of evidence according to experts.So there's just so much to it that
showed so much cover up. Andand here was a former you know,
police detective, sheriff's officer of thisguy who was investigating as a private investigator

(01:39:35):
at the scene, and Tom Grant, and he tried to give all his
evidence, which was a massive amountof evidence to Los Angeles you know,
police department, to the Seattle Policedepartment to different police departments, because he
used to work in California, andbefore you investigate in Seattle, and you

(01:39:57):
know, no one looks at it, no one looks at his stuff.
So the evidence is overwhelming. Thatwas a high level cover up and certainly
most likely, you know, highlevel setup. And Courtney Love was either
dissociative or you know, working forthis for US intelligence knowingly. But I

(01:40:18):
think she was probably more dissociative andwasn't even sure you know, what exactly
she was doing with everything, becauseshe was abused from an early age,
from you know, anywhere from twoto four years old. She started seeing
a therapist, which is an absurdage to see a therapist, and she
said they were giving her all kindsof psychohypnotic drugs while they were having sex

(01:40:40):
with her, according to a lettershe wrote to her biological father and Karison
and so you know, other sources, you know, verify some of this
stuff and yeah, this this isthe way it went down. And so
I do think he was just someonethey were using to promote heroin until he

(01:41:03):
threatened to promote sobriety and activism,and then they had to do him in.
And he said he was. Hewas sober for a year before his
death. And you know, andyou know when they checked his blood out
in Rome when they said he youknow, went to a coma in Rome.

(01:41:23):
He went to a coma because ofher ro hypnol. Her rufies.
She they're legal in England. Shehad been in England and she can use
you allowed to get a prescription forthem for sleep. She got that.
She then put him in a drinkof his when she went to bring he
wanted to see his daughter, eventhough he went a divorce her. He
was, you know, trying todivorce her at the time. He wanted

(01:41:45):
to see his daughter and so soa courtney brought his daughter to him when
he was touring in Rome, andthat's when he went, you know,
he had an overdose off the hypnol, went to a coma. And then
they found no other no substances inhis system, no heroin, not even
weed, you know, or anythinglike that in the system. So obviously

(01:42:09):
you couldn't have been a Heroin actat that time. You know, he
had to be off of heroin becauseeveryone knows you gotta use heroin every day
and station your system of three tofive days so, and you know,
the people that he was touring withsays he wouldn't even smoke weed with them.
He was in touching anything, wasn'tdrinking or anything during that tour.
So that's the way that was happeningat that time. It sounds like they

(01:42:31):
used Courtney like a if you've everread do you know who Kathy O'Brien is?
Sure? Okay, have you everread Transformation of America? Her book?
I just read excerpts. I don'tthink I read. I didn't read
the whole thing, But you thenyou probably know enough. You know what
the freedom train is. You knowthat they use handlers and stuff. I

(01:42:56):
wonder if she was raised from thetimes, because you said she was abused
from a little kid, and thethings they were doing to her sounded strikingly
similar what happened to Kathy O'Brien andBryce Taylor. You know, she wrote
a book called Thanks for the Memories. These things sound similar. So and
then you look at you know,like Britney Spears, you know, Christina

(01:43:17):
Aguilera, all of these young childstars look at you know, Britney's meltdown.
That was the that was the wallof breaking down between her personalities that
everything coming fumbling down. Yeah.I had researched MK ultra and mind control
and all this stuff for years andyears and years. You brought up you
know, Courtney, and I waslike, oh my god, like Courtney

(01:43:40):
Love. As soon as you saidthat she like what she went through as
a child, I was like,well, I didn't know that, but
it sounds like they were grooming herto be what she became, this like
music starlet. And then she wasprobably used to a certain degree, maybe
as a handler or somebody to youknow, control Cobaine to a degree because

(01:44:00):
they probably you know, they wantedhim on drugs. I'm sure she was,
right, not the most positive influenceon him. And like you said,
if she was, you said youthought she was dissociative. To me,
that would that would make me believethat, like, yeah, she
was mind controlled to a certain extent, and maybe she. I mean,
as soon as she said this,it was like being the light bulb just

(01:44:20):
went off in my head as yousaid it. Yeah, I mean,
she was a she was protesting yourself. Her dad says, when she was
starting about at least fifteen years old. It was about fifteen years old when
she was you know, working,I mean, in an authorized biography,
she said she was working in thewhite slave trade for mafia in in Asia,

(01:44:42):
you know, for sex clubs andsex clubs like you know where strippers
said she was working as a stripperin in Asia and in Asian countries,
and and she was back in someAsian country, if you know. Some
years later when she said that shein a letter to a boyfriend at home,
she said she prostituted herself to getenough money to get back home to

(01:45:03):
him. So she was probably clearlyprostituting herself too. And she was a
heroin act. And so whether shewas associative or not, though I do
think I greash, I think shewas associative. Yeah, she was being
used by US intelligence that way forsure. And my next film is a

(01:45:25):
sequel to Drugs' Weapons against this end. I'm going to get more into this
whole notion what we're talking about abit in a bigger way. I don't
want to give too much of away, but I'll talk to you again
sometime after it comes out. Ilook forward to it. You know.
The door is always open anytime youwant to discuss any of your work.
I have a lot of respect foryou, John. I've known you,

(01:45:46):
you know, for quite a longtime, and you've never ceased to amaze
me with your work and the depththat you get into in your research.
Really, thank you, Thanks alot. I hope one day that you're
you know, it'd be nice ifyou got some sort of like, you
know, Pulitzer or something for thework that you've done. And I mean

(01:46:08):
that, I mean, I knowpeople could say, well, you know,
he's talking about Tupac, he's talkingabout Kurt Kobain. But it's important
stuff because this is these guys wereculture creators and they were taken out for
a reason, you know, Andthis stuff is important. This stuff really
is important. This topic is youknow, who murdered Tupac Shakur. That's

(01:46:29):
important. It's important to know,it really is. And and one of
the last things, because I knewI forgot to mention this earlier, you
did. You talked about the EastCoast West Coast thing being fake, and
you and I have talked about thisbefore. You think Biggie was murdered to
cover up Tupac's murder, correct,Yeah, sure, yeah, that just
to make it look like it's anEast Coast West Coast rivalry that killed two

(01:46:54):
killed them both when you know it'smanufactured murder. This rivalry. US Intelligence
had created these kinds of conflicts betweenthe Black Panther leaders and East Coast.
You know, Tupac's mother of FinnishCorps in Harlem and Huey Newton in California,
the founder of the National National BlackPanther Party in California. So they

(01:47:15):
did this and they used the sametactics against with Tupac and Biggie, and
then they brought in the element ofoh, it's it was gang. It
was a gang related murder because youknow, they said, they pretended like
this crip is the one. Youknow that because Dwain TPD Davis was a
member of the crips apparently, andso that's who killed him. You know,
So they keep bringing up different differentreasons. You know, he died

(01:47:41):
differently than US intelligence killing him.But we know that the biggest factors all
lead back to US Intelligence. Yeah, all all roads lead to Rome as
it were. And you know it'suh. When I I've talked to people
about this in the past, afterI interviewed you years ago, I had

(01:48:02):
friends that were tupacin biggie fans,and they still believe that there's you know,
because there's under there's good documentaries outthere, but there's also stuff where
people are saying, you know,they pushed this official version of events,
and you know, they they tryto downplay even recently. I know that
I think it was his his mentoror somebody that was connected to him.

(01:48:25):
They interviewed him and he tried tosay that no, Tupac got caught up
in the was getting caught up inlike the thug life world, and that's
you know what eventually led to hisdemise, trying to undermine that argument that
no, that was all cover.And you know, originally they said that
it was that it was a coverand he was using that to get in

(01:48:45):
and now they've kind of gone backon that. You're probably talking about Dear
Mama. Yeah, Dear Mama wasa good docu series that betrayed him in
the end, in the sense thatso Jamal Joseph was Tupacs like Uncle Jamal,
who was a former Black Panther.It was part of the Panther twenty

(01:49:05):
one and and I had my nextfilm, I'll have Jamal Joseph saying directly
he thinks that the yeah, nFBI count intelligence type program is you know
what killed Tupac. So I thinkJamal was brought in as a co producer
of this series with a member ofthe Hughes you know, the one of

(01:49:29):
the Hughes brothers was the real directorof this series, and U Hughes brother's
guy just you know, just changedthe end to make it sound different than
than it should have sounded. Andthat's a shame. But Jamal Joseph was
stuck being you know, one ofthe co producers and wanted to see it
succeed anyway, I believe because ofyou know, it does have good stuff

(01:49:51):
when the Panthers and on Tupac's lifebefore his murder. But you know,
that's what he was stuck with theend of the the creation of this whole
thing, and that was like themain Yeah, that was mainstream, right,
that was like more of a mainstreamwas it was. So that was
probably the compromise that was made thatif you wanted to reach anyone, you

(01:50:13):
can't you have to have it inthis way, you can't have it.
And with you know, US intelligencelikely murdered Toupie, right and I mean
that happens, and it's unfortunate,but I mean that happens. Sometimes the
creator, in order to get theoverall larger workout, might have to tweak
one thing here or there. Yeah, in the mainstream, but that makes

(01:50:35):
sense as to why there's such adisparity. But then they use that then,
you know the then the mainstream usesthat disparity to say, see,
no, this is the way itreally is. Yeah, and it's all
controlled. It really is. Uh, and it's unfortunate. But with your
work, John, people are gettingmuch smarter and wiser to the fact.

(01:50:56):
And if they if even if theyweren't sure that to Pac was murdered or
Biggie was murdered by the Central IntelligenceAgency, after the work you've done,
I think their mind will be changed. Do me a favor and plug all
of your stuff one more time,your website and anything else you want to
plug, Twitter, Facebook, whatever. Yeah, So my website is John

(01:51:17):
Podash dot com. Or you canput put in drugsweapons dot com or FBI
war on tupac dot com. Butjust remember best it's probably John Podash dot
com. We'll bring it up.And so that's where you can find the
FBI War on Tupac Sha, CoreState Impression of Black Leaders book and film,
along with Drugs' Weapons against Us,the CIA War Musicians and Activists book

(01:51:42):
and film, and my other filmcalled Shotzi Jenks to Pandemics. So thanks
again for having me one pop.I was good talking with you once again,
and I'll stay in touch and dothe same. Okay, yes,
sir, And as soon as yournew flick comes out out let me know
and I'll have you on and I'llmake sure to promote it free. And

(01:52:04):
with that, ladies and gentlemen,John and I are going to say I
do Do you have any last wordsbefore I sign us off. Now that's
got it, okay, perfect.Though, I appreciate you, my brother,
for coming on. Thanks again,I sincerely appreciate your work. You

(01:52:27):
are just an awesome investigative journalist,my friend. Keep up the great work,
Ladies and gentlemen. I'm going toleave us with a positive note.
You know, I always like toquote Martin Luther King Junior, and my
favorite quote from him is darkness cannotdrive out darkness. Only light can do
that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that. I
love you all I know John does, and I will see you all again

(01:52:50):
live next week. We are outhere

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