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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, friends, So happy to have you here with me
today at Radical Joy. If you've been here before, welcome back.
If this is your first time with me, well I'm
glad you're here. Each week, I'm here with you talking
to myself about things that weigh on my mind and heart,
hoping if you're dealing with something similar, we can adjust
our perspectives as you listen. Hey, if you're struggling with
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something that needs immediate attention, please know that help is available.
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us here at CLA Studios believe that mental health is
a vital part of our well being. The more people
I meet and the more places I go, the more
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I realize how important it is to make people aware
of the fact that there is no shame in enjoying
the parts of our lives that are incredible. It's time
for some radical joy, and this week, the three fingers
pointing back at me are for the color yellow, represented
in this episode by Joy and Apathy, part three of
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a seven part series for Pride Month. Well, folks, I
would be telling you a story if I said anything
other than I was thrilled that today's episode is going
to be dedicated to joy. Well, now that seems a
little redundant whenever you take into consideration the actual title
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of the podcast. It's also one of those things where
I continue to hope to reside in a small, warm,
cozy pocket of joy, especially when the world swirls with
uncertainty around us. So what do we do We protect
ourselves while still leaving enough of us open so that
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we can be connected to those we love and trust,
as well as those who are looking for love and
trust in their own lives and journeys. Wonderful On the
other side of this token, we're looking at something. It's
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something that I deal with on a daily basis, and
it breaks my heart for those who have to suffer
with it. Apathy one of those things where it's not
a love or a hate, it's just a simple lack
of motivation to care for a certain something. And though
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that seems as though it is a bit of a
foreign concept at times, there are days when we wake
and we sit there in the bed and we doom scroll,
or we just lie there with our eyes closed, just
praying that today is going to be better than the
day before one of those kinds of things. Let me
tell you are not alone in feet that. If that's
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something you struggle with, Okay, Even those who appear the happiest,
most satisfied, bravest, most courageous among us deal with situations
like that in their own lives more often than probably
many would care to admit, myself included. When we talk
about something like that, it could be the apathy that
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you deal with personally. It could be the apathy of
a partner or a coworker whenever their give a hoot
just doesn't seem to match yours in intensity and priority.
Got it. We have to be mindful of it. Please
be on the lookout for it. It can be very frustrating,
incredibly discouraging, and a big way that I've learned to
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sort of deal with it in my own It's difficult
for me not to judge when I come across people
like that, and I don't like admitting it. It doesn't
make me proud to say that. It's not a badge
of any kind to say that whenever I encounter people
who deal with those kinds of things, there is an
element of judgment to it. I'm working on it. I'm
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aware of it, and I promise you it's one of
those things where I'm trying to do better by them
and stronger for myself in acknowledging it and trying to
move past it. What I want to say is that
whenever I come across something like that, I've learned and
continue to learn, that trying to love enough for more
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than one person is a fool's errand it is a
folly trying to encourage someone whenever they don't feel like
being encouraged, Trying to be a Pollyanna lollipop in your
pocket kind of person. That is not very helpful in
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many cases. Whenever you aim that at someone, whenever you
speak very clearly and directly to the joy that you
think they should or supposed to have in their hearts,
that is, it often leads to directly the opposite outcome
of what you're hoping for. Might I suggest from my
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own experience in messing this up on numerous occasions, because
it often takes me more than one lesson to get it,
Live in your own joy. It's not that I'm trying
to encourage anyone else. It's not that I'm trying to
pet talk anyone in doing that. What I'm saying is,
since this is not me talking directly to you one
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on one, but me in front of a microphone while
you're listening now as I have pre recorded, hear this
and know a way to help others who you feel
maybe suffering from apathy or a low energy place is
to live in your own joy so that they may
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see it if they want to see it, and so
they may aspire to perhaps reach it whenever they are ready.
Instead of being active in their participation or elevation, maybe
be active in your own so that when they get
ready to try to come out of wherever they are,
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they've got a good example that for me has worked
so much better. It doesn't feel as aggressive to the
person that you want to try to help, and it
only helps you as the person who continues to focus
on and cultivate joy in my own life. In your
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own life, however we want to phrase that, I realize
it's like, oh, where are we going with that? In
our own lives? And then that way, whenever someone feels
as though they've just had enough, because sometimes that's what
it is. You live in apathy, You live in static,
something that has no motion forward, backward, or otherwise you
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just sort of float, and eventually we have to get
out of that. We reach a point where we're just okay,
I've had enough. I need a shower, I need to
brush my teeth, I want to brush my hair aggressively. Well,
I say that because I just got finished doing that myself.
It feels great. It stimulates all that blood flow to
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my scalp. It gives a tingle up there that sort
of like radiates down from my head on down. And
it's these things that are these little moments, these little
gestures that continue to sort of shake up everything. Because apathy,
I think, has a very stolid feel to it. It
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doesn't have much motion up, down, forward, backward at all.
It just sort of gets stuck. And in order for
me to sort of move that way around, I have
to break it up first. And I can do that
by jumping around to the gym or giving myself a
very aggressive head scratch, or using my hair brush to
sort of like get the blood flowing. And then that
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makes a picture in my mind from the sensations that
I feel in my scalp, so that now I can
start moving that around and start moving it out and
what that will do is leave a vacancy behind. And
because now that there is a vacancy in me, I
have those around me who love me enough to read
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me and try to do well by me, so that
if they have been living in their joy, now I
can start to focus on replenishing what is empty with
what fills me with a brighter light and a stronger love,
and that joy that continues to get my motion back
in the ocean right exactly. And sometimes I see this
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thing on TikTok, y'all know, I love me some TikTok
and it's amy a day. Have you seen this? And
it's just absolutely fantastic. Sometimes you just gotta shake it off.
It's one of those things where, yes, in my brain
I know A, And sometimes I've got to get my
body involved before my brain can A. You know what
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I'm saying, right, And sometimes you just can't really worry
about what other people are gonna think. If you need
to do it right now, you do it right now,
and you shake it free and you move it out
and you look at a whole other way of exercising
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O rcis I and G all of that sort of
mood don't want to put a sticker on it, But
I do want to say it's very much a mood,
so we can place there something that's just a little
bit more productive, something that is just a little bit
more strengthening. I feel as though whenever I can't move,
I start to get really set up andy, which you
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would think whenever you think of those two words together,
perhaps it's one and the same, And I don't think
it is. If you're not moving, that just means that
it's going to take a little bit more energy to
get you going again. Sedentary implies almost a semi permanence.
In my mind. Sedentary means like I have a sedentary lifestyle,
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meaning I sit at my desk for hours at a
time working on xyz Okay great. What that means now
is that I must integrate more motion and action into
my life so that my joints don't start to stiffen
or my muscles start to soften or weaken. What I
have to do is make sure that I reach a
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balance of these things to know that that is what
my body responds best to. My lifestyle as far as
sedentary or my job, my work, et cetera. Maybe one
of those things. It's fair lucrative, and I know that
I have grown accustomed to living indoors and eating well.
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So in order to maintain and continue to cultivate good health,
both mentally, physically, spiritually, all of it, I must find
a balance in my action. The same thing goes with
joy and apathy. Joy is not something that we can
all maintain. Twenty four to seven. I know that. Please
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don't think that I am so naive to think, no, no, no,
it's just good vibes only that's not the house we're
living in. Friends, good vibes only I don't trust it,
I don't love it. I think everybody in their mama
is entitled to a bad day, a couple of bad days,
a string of them. If push comes to shove, and
if that's what you're dealing with, my heart goes out
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to you, and I love you, and I hope that
you find a way to break that up very very soon.
I find that the longer we string those together where
they're good, bad, indifferent, we want to look at it,
it tends to create habit and we have to be
very very mindful of that. Okay, we have to know
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that if I've gone a few days and I haven't
gotten out of the house, or you know, I haven't
done X y Z to promote my own well being.
I'll start to slide. You know, I'll start to feel
a little bit lethargic, I will feel grumpy inordinately, so
I'll be very easily angered. Okay, I know this about
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myself because people in my life have cared enough about
me to tell me, point blank, Hey, how you feeling.
You're kind of cranky, You need a snack, you need
a nap, you need to get out of the house.
How about we tussle a little. Honest to god, I
have I've had a few friends that are just like
you might just want a rough house a little bit,
and they just manhandle me a little bit. To be fair,
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they knew me better than most because they combined care
and love and human actual physical connection with it to
make sure that by the time that I'm done, they
elevated my grump even farther, because like, what are you doing?
And then eventually I broke a sweat. I started to laugh.
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This person held on to me and struggled with me
so that I could get that struggle out, and then
I was able to get rid of it and then
I could smile and laugh and rest in the fact
of knowing that someone cared enough about me to bring
me to a jocular violence.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So that I could get past it. Sometimes what you're
dealing with, what fills you, is just too much, too strong,
too heavy, too solid, and sometimes you need little help
to get past it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And that's okay too. It's okay to ask that. It's
okay to accept that from people who perhaps you feel
just a little bit under to ask, not under them,
but just you're under your one hundred percent, and you
are perhaps too far under to be able to feel
comfortable or confident asking for it, even though you know
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in your guts that's the thing that could help you
the most. So when someone comes to you with an
unorthodox suggestion on how to move past your apathy to
find your way back to joy, ask the question, is
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this the person that would do that for me? And
be careful because the answer can be a little tricky.
You'll get deep in your own business, you'll get you know,
in your own head, and you'll be farther away from
your heart. And perhaps you don't know how to answer that,
or you don't feel strong enough to ask it of
them or to consent to it. Sometimes they don't even
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bother and they come and they rough you up anyway,
and love and joy be unto those people. May they
know how grateful I am for who they are in
my life and for knowing that my love language sometimes
is just getting smacked around ever so gently until you
break a sweat and crack a smile. God love them absolutely. Now.
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I realize this is not going to be everyone's love language.
I would venture to say that many many, many men
out there, if we're going to go with those five
love languages, theirs is very specifically physical touch. I get it.
I feel the exact same way I love a hug,
I love a cuddle. Absolutely, yes, I do. Now. I
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think it's really funny that in many respects, especially among
American men, some of the few acceptable ways for that
are either intimacy with a partner or some sort of
violent act. And clearly it is because I just gave
you an example that borderlines on that borderlines nothing. It's
the dead center of it. So it's one of those
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things to keep in mind. Ask yourself the question, what
does my love language look like? How is it most
effective for others to show me affection. What does that
look like? Now, I'm not pushing the book. I don't know.
I've heard plus and minus for the book and it's
been a million years since I read it. I think
it's always very important to know what it is people
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can do for you to show you affection so that
you feel special and well tended. I think that's a
great thing. Honestly. I think it's a great thing to
communicate to people that you have relationships with, whether they
are platonic or romantic or anywhere in between. Wonderful, great.
I've had some very plain discussions with some very good
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friends as of late. I'm like, look, you try to
get me angry, and it's not that you're trying. You
do it for entertainment, and I don't know that I
love it. So I need you to know that that
needs to stop, especially if you're going to try to
push me toward that laugh whenever I get angry and
then get upset, whenever I tell you to go piss
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up a rope, Well, uh, I said what I said.
I make no apologies for it, and it's not even
that I'm looking for an apology from them. I just
need them to know if they continue in this vein,
it's going to continue to make a wedge, drive a
wedge between our relationship. Well do people do that? Sure
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they do. People deal with different things in different ways.
People get afraid that perhaps their relationship is starting to drift,
as many will. You know, I think that a lot
of things that we do have sort of a zig
zag pattern. You know. They they sort of grow apart,
and then they grow back together, and they grow apart
and they go back together. And I think that's just
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a natural order of things. When you don't maintain something
on an almost daily or weekly basis, they tend to
create distance. That's just the way it is. So much
happens so quickly in our lives. It shouldn't come as
a surprise that if we don't maintain, if we don't
work on some sort of building between two or more people,
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it's going to create a distance. I'm not saying it's
good or bad. It's just saying that that's just the
way physics work, especially whenever we're talking about between people. Okay, great,
I think it's wonderful whenever we try to find a
way to create a joy in our lives with other
people and I'm talking to me like I'm talking to
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anybody right now, because I am very solo, very lone
wolfy over here. I have had more than one woman
in my life tell me this out of a very
warm and caring place of love, for sure, And they
tell me that. I was like, oh, okay, I don't
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know how to take that. Well, it's not good or bad.
It's just something I've noticed, and now that I've noticed it,
I can't unsee it. Building joy with others is a
wonderful thing. Like it's I'm recording this on a Thursday,
and this evening, we have something at my gym. It's
called functional bodybuilding, and I have a workout buddy there
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and he is this phenomenal human. I love spending time
with him. He is very charismatic, he is a card.
He's so fun to be around, and he is ridiculously strong.
So we go to the gym and we're almost always
workout buddies together and people I feel like to be
around the two of us because we cut up so much.
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We get our fitness in. Make no mistake, He's an
absolute machine. And I'm in there just trying to keep
up with him. And I'm no slouch. I continue to
get stronger, better, and I'm grateful for it. And it's
just there's something to be said about the joy that
you can make on your own because that is very
specifically your brand and your color, and that is wonderful.
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And then there is a joy you get to mix
with people who are your people that makes this wonderful
dynamic that continues to build one on the other, that
invites others into the circle, that lets everybody kind of
like swirl in and add their own color and flavor
to it, and it just continues to build. The momentum
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continues to gain force. It's so fun and to be fair,
it's really cool being part of a dynamic that others
want to be a part of. It's great, it's grand,
it's wonderful, and it is the antithesis to apathy because
if people want to join, what you're making, what you're
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doing is moving others to action. I want to be
a part of that. I would like to be cool.
I want to be strong and beautiful and funny and
all of these things. Yes, yes you do. And there
is room at the table to get your ass over here.
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Let's play, Let's make the work we must do to
be bigger, better, stronger, kinder. People look so uphealing that
others want to join. I'm not encouraging it. I'm not
throwing it at anyone. What I'm doing is taking care
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of my own business in a way that looks so
fun that others just want to join. It creates a gravity,
it makes an orbit, and I want to draw people
into it so that if they don't know that they're ready,
it looks so fun what I'm doing over heater that
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they want to come over and play too. They're little hesidant.
I get it. I'm loud, I'm obnoxious. I'm so annoying
at times, especially whenever I'm really in the center of
my fitness. Watch out. I'm sweating, I'm breathing hard. I'm
having the time of my life because I'm gonna hurt tomorrow,
but today you better look out. I am hard to match.
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Oh who doesn't want to be a part of that? Right?
Not everyone's gonna respond to that. Maybe to everyone that's
not necessarily their flavor. And that's okay too, because there
are also people that love to sort of live in
this peace and warmth and comfort and delight, and that
speaks to others in a different flavor of joy wonderful.
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Their apathy is caught up, perhaps in so many different
things that weigh on their minds and hearts and the
to do list as long as your arm, and worry
and frantic and what have you. And they feel stuck
because they have so many things pulling on them in
so many different directions. They feel as though they can't move,
just because if one of those threads were to break,
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it would fling them into the stratosphere. And that's and
not in a good way. And so what they see
in others is this piece and this quiet and this
center and this warmth, So that what they can do
is sort of, ever so gently and very carefully release
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these forces, one or two at a time, just to
make sure they don't go flinging off into some other trajectory.
And eventually they cut in a loose enough pardon me,
eventually they cut loose of enough of these forces pulling
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them in fourteen different directions so that they can settle
into that piece and that warmth and that stillness that
others find so joyful. There's many ways to express your joy,
as they are to worry about what's going on. Apathy,
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for whatever reason, I feel, is very much one specific color.
I feel it's very much one specific direction, which is
none at all. It feels very stationary to me, whereas
Joy definitely has action and motion to it, even if
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it's just it doesn't even have to be emotion. What
I see in my head is perhaps just this. What
I see is a monolithic crystal. As weird as this
is going, I don't know why in the world. It
feels like the Washington Monument in my mind. And though
it does not move, it can change color. It can
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oscillate between a warm light lavender into a deep fuchia
and then into a tel and then that starts to
rotate to aquamarine, and it continues. And though there is
no movement per se, the motion is there in the
undulation of the colors, and that's still something that is
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still change, that is still different. And I think that
sometimes we have to go with something like that in
case the actual motion is something that is somewhat out
of our range, our scope, and that's fine. Apathy feels
one color, one position, very much one thing, and it
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almost feels as though it fills the screen with itself.
When I look and think of the Washington Monument, there
is scenery around it. There is something thing in the
background that I can see, perhaps the sky or the
Capitol Building in the distance or whatever. When I think
of apathy, it feels as though it is a solid
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that fills the entire view. I try to look out
the window, and I see nothing but the darkness. I
try to look into the distance, so I try to
look past, and I can't why, because that fills my vista.
I can't look around it. I can't look through it.
There is an opacity to it that I can't seem
to under understand or see through. I must break it.
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I must somehow shatter this, pulverize it so that I
can move it away, down and out, so that I
can find my way back to the joy and back
to that motion and that kinetic feeling again. And for
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whatever reason, Yellow in Spot, well, I know exactly why,
because we very much took the inside out theme to
heart whenever we were discussing these colors for Pride Month.
It's like, great, yes, Joy, I love her, I tell
you what she can be a little much for me,
and I flipping dig it like joy is a thing
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over here, as one might imagine, huge shocker. And there
are times when she must be tempered. Okay, she must
be blended with others. That's a reason why they're all
there in the first place, because we can be joyful
and it can also be ever so slightly tinged with
the shades and the brightnesses of other emotions as well
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as just you don't have to be on ten all
the time. You really don't. And it's not that you
have to worry about that you're sliding into something when
you're not at ten all the time. Great. Now, I
do love a sensible seven. I do. I like being
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more than half I do, And I realize that for
many of us, myself included, that can be a lot
to ask on many a day. What I can do
in that respect is just say, wonderful, I know where
my goal is. Where are we today? How easy or
difficult is this? I don't know, So let's take a
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look at it. Let's ponder it. Okay, super dupe, And
we do. And on some days, when I've had enough
coffee or a snack and a nap or a treat,
or I've gotten something in the mail, or any number
of these little tiny winds that I love so well.
I can hit that seven without even breaking a sweat.
Some days you might even catch me at an eight
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point two, and may the Good Lord help you if
you catch me on a ten. It's a lot. It's
a lot, oh boy, is it? Though? I know that,
And that's the best part. Knowing it can make you
so very aware of it and how it affects others
in their own journeys. Because I don't want to be
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so conceited as to think that whenever I'm out there,
walking and doing whatever, the way I'm living my life
has an effect on every single person around me. I
would also not like to be so unbelievably modest that
I think it doesn't affect it doesn't affect at least somebody, Okay,
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and that's it. I think you're selling yourself short. I
think we're all selling ourselves short if we look at
an experience like this and think that the way we
live our lives doesn't affect at least one or two
folks around me. Because the way we live somebody out
there is watching it, and they're making a blueprint for
their own, and they're taking the things they find helpful
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or inspiring and they're discarding the rest, and that is fine. Ooh,
that's good. Honestly, that's great. That's so incredibly healthy. It's
wonderful to take things from the people, some of the
people that you know and love and try to aspire.
It's also very very helpful to know that it don't
got to be everything. As a matter of fact, please
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don't make it everything that single white female thing. That's
bad news bearers, even among the coolest and the best,
because we are not one size fits all. Now one
or two of these things, one size could probably fit
more than one. So yeah, joy, inspire it, cultivate it,
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work toward it, apathy, Understand when you're there, know how
to get out of it. Know who your people are
that can help you out of it if, for whatever reason,
you are not in a place where you can do
it on your own. Also, please know it is not
an imposition or a burden when you ask out of
your people. I find myself doing that. I find myself
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feeling embarrassed that I have to ask for help. There's
no greater compliment in the world to that friend than
whenever you walk up to them and say, this is
what I'm going through. Have you got eight minutes to
maybe listen to me for get this off my chest
so that maybe I can start getting a little more
joy back in my life, because right now all I
feel is gray and solid and heavy, and I would
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really like to share that with you so we can
both put it down. Absolutely. Yes, please, and thank you.
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