Mary Morrissey | Building the Life You’re Meant to Live - Radical Responsibility Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Notice that the part of us, the very power that's
breathing us. You can't do that on your own. None
of us created ourselves. We can't even make our heart
beat one time under our own power. Life itself is
animating this physical thing called our body. So there's a
part of us that is whether you call it, I'm
a spiritual being having a human experience, or however you

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define who you are. This is what the Transcendentalists we're
talking about. There's a part of us that is more
than our current circumstances, situations, and conditions, and we can notice.
So now we have a vision of life, and it
has money, and it has different things to it that
matter to us for the good we can do with
it that version of expanded life. Notice that there's a
part of you that will be willing, and then there's

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a part of you that's arguing for why you can't.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Welcome to the Radical Responsibility Podcast. I'm doctor Fleet Maula,
and I'm excited to guide you on a journey of
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Speaker 3 (02:40):
What if the belief's holding you back weren't even yours
to begin with. In today's episode, I'm joined by the
remarkable Mary Morrissey, a true pioneer in the field of
transformational thinking and personal development. Mary and I dive deep
into the power of belief and how our stories about money, health, identity,
and success shape the very reality we live in. You'll

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hear powerful insights from Mary on rewiring limiting beliefs, including
stories about money, failure, and identity. We also explore the
law of vibration, dream building and how to expand your
vision of what's truly possible right here, right now. If
ready to ship from dreamer to builder and bring your

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highest vision to life, this is the conversation for you.
Let's get started.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
My name is doctor Fleet Maull, your co host for
the session, and I'm really thrilled to be here today
with none other than Mary Morrissey.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Welcome Mary, Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
So you've been studying transformation for over fifty years and
teaching for more than four decades, and I'm just curious
as to what how did you get so enamored of
personal transformation? How'd you find your way into this field?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I wasn't looking. A series of things occurred in my life.
Then I'll tell you a little backstory on it. I
grew up in Beaverton, Oregon, and had a high schoo
experience like most young girls dream about. I was class
vice president and drill team and homecoming princess. Leaving the
junior play and my high school boyfriend we'd been dating
four years, went off to college, came back on spring break.

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I get pregnant May one. I'm at the end of
my junior year in high school. I tell my mom
and dad I'm pregnant. My mother wept for me as
if I had died. We had a very hasty ten
person wedding, and a couple of weeks later, I get
a call from the principal of the high school to
his office and are these rumors I'm hearing about you too?
And I said, well, if the rumors are that, I'm

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pregnant and married in that order, then yes, they're true.
And then you just put his head in his hands
and he goes, Mary, you had great academics, you have
terrific honors. But you will not be allowed to return
for your senior year in high school because it would
be totally inappropriate for a pregnant girl to get mixed
in with the normal girls. But if you want a
high school diploma, which I wanted because I had always
dreamed of being a teacher, and I didn't see this

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as a dead end. I saw it as a detour
on my way to my own professional so I wanted
that high school diploma. He says, But if you want
a high school diploma, there is a place for people
like you. It was across the river and a part
of Portland, Oregon. I hadn't been allowed to go drive
after dark, where it's a normal high school during the
day and then it becomes a high school in the
evening for pregnant girls and delinquent boys. So that next

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fall I drove across. I'm now part of a group
of classified delinquents, and I remember walking in thinking, Okay,
this is my new student body. Now most of us
can remember where we were, maybe at the beginning of
a senior or the equivalent of it, depending on what
part of the world we're in. But this was my
new student body. My son was born in December, and

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I graduated from Washington Evening High School in May. In July,
I'm in an intensive care ward in a Portland hospital,
having been diagnosed with fatal kidney disease. So this is
nineteen sixty seven. I've just turned eighteen. I'm a little
boy who's seven months old, and they're telling me that
one kidney is totally destroyed with the Fridas kidney disease.

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The other has fifty percent destruction, and at this point,
without dialysis, without transplants, this is a death sentence. It's
just a matter of how much time I'm going to have.
So they tell me, if we can get the blood
talks of level and my body reduced enough to remove
the right kidney, then maybe I'll have six months to live.
I'm terrified. The god of my upbringing, Fleet was not

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a friendly place to go when you felt like you'd
really screwed up, and clearly I'd screwed up. My best
girlfriends from grade school, their mothers would let them see
me anymore, as if I had something contagious. And so
my structure of belief when we're talking about rewiring beliefs,
my belief at that time was my version of a
higher power was an angry, punishing version. So I must

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be punished for being a bad girl. I don't even
deserve to live. This is the wiring that's going on
in me. Finally, the night before the surgery was scheduled,
a woman walked in my room, maybe ten o'clock at night,
and identified herself as the visiting chaplain. I wants to
know if I want somebody to pray with me. And
I was terrified, the scared, and I said okay. She
pulled her chair next to my bed, and she didn't

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do anything that looked or seemed like prayer out of
any kind of training I've had. She just pulled her
chair next to me, and she said, would you be
willing to tell me what's been going on in your
life the last year or two? So I told her
my story at the end of which she looked at
me compassionately, and she says, Mary, Everything's created. Twice was like,

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what are you talking about? And she says, you actually
know this. In fact, everybody knows this. Almost nobody knows
the power of knowing this. She said, the bed you're
laying on, the nightgown you're wearing, the sheet covering you,
the walls of ceiling, the floor, all of it had
to be a thought before it could become a thing.
Now that you're considering how everything is created twice, I

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want to show with you. I hear how much you
love your little boy, but I can also hear how
much you've been hating yourself. You feel like you shamed
your school, you shamed your family, you shamed your friends,
and that toxic thinking. If everything's created twice, and a
thought can help choose the color of the sheet you're
laying on, could you imagine that there's a possibility that

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toxic thinking could have something to do with the toxicity
that's rampaging your body and threatening your life. Now, this
is nineteen sixty seven. We don't have mind body clinics
at Harvard Medical School and all around the country to
us today that we do. This was a different kind
of thinking than anybody I knew thought that something I'm
thinking could have something to do with my own wellbeing.

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And then she said, so if you could live, what
would you do with your life? And I'd raised my
little boy and I'd become a teacher. And she said, okay,
So tomorrow they're going to do a surgery. Right after
the surgery, your mind will be dealing with some of
the pain of the surgery. As that ebbs, your mind
is going to want to go down the well worn
paths of thinking that you've been doing. Is going to

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want to pick up that shame and think those thoughts again.
So here's what I want you to do after the surgery.
Notice anytime a self loving thought, and I'm going to
we'll do a visualization. I had never even heard the
word visualization at this point. And we're going to imagine
sweeping up everything that's toxic in your body and just

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putting it in that one kidney when it gets released,
and when it gets released, it's gone. She says, you're
not looking for the doctors to tell you that, you're
looking a different place in your imagination. So let's imagine.
And then when the thought of toxic shame rises up
inside you just interrupt it and say no, that left
with the kidney. But it's not enough to let go
of something you have to replace it. So what I

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want you to do is say no, that left with
the kidney. And then immediately imagine you've got a little
boy's hand in yours, and it's a warm hand. He's
a five year old and you're walking up the steps
to a school and he goes to kindergarten. And then
fast forward and you're there, Oh, and you hear the
sound of your shoes going down the hallway and turn
the corner and there's your first classroom. Then fast f

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forward and you're in high school auditorium or a stadium,
and there's caps and gowns all down on the stage
or floor, and you hear your son's name cold and
he's walking across the stage getting his diploma, and you're
cheering for him, and all the moments of influence that
you've been as part of his success and your teaching
careers growing. And then fast forward and you're in the

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front rowbal wedding and you're the mother of a groom
and that groom is your son, and he's marrying the
love of his life, and your teaching career is flourishing.
And she said, just keep doing that, So I would
you know, looking back, fleet. I would say. I was
an unconscious confident I must have done what she told
me to do, But I wasn't thinking if I do this,
that might change the toxology in my body and I

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could actually start to get well. But as I was
doing that, about two weeks after the surgery, the doctors
told my family gathering at the end of the surgery
that one kidney was destroyed the other was all palkmarked
and tripled. They didn't even know if I was going
to have six months. But after two weeks, instead of
continuing my numbers to get worse, they were stabilized enough

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that they said, well, we don't know how much how
long this will last right now, but if you wanted
to go home your little boy, I don't know if
it'll be days or a week or a couple of
weeks that you have at home before you have to
come back. I went home in an ambulance. I was
so weak I couldn't lift my head, and over time
I had to go to Eurologist three times a week
just to check numbers. But my numbers not only stabilized,

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they just started to slightly improve and improve. And during
that time I'm visualizing and making different connections really about
I'm not so aware yet to even really hold state
on being able to notice what I'm noticing. But over time.
Six months later, I'm in a conference room at the
hospital and the surgeon, the doctors and the specialists are

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all just shaking their head, saying, we have no science
for what's happened with you. The surgeon said, I saw
that one kidney, but right now it's functioning as a whole,
perfect kidney. So we don't know how long was less
or even less. Whatever you're doing, keep doing it. I
wasn't aware of what I was doing. It was just
what I was doing, so I wasn't even curious. I
was so I got well. I was so happy to

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be well. I wasn't curious for about three years later,
when I'm deep in my undergraduate work and a series
of things occurred in October of nineteen seventy one that
I don't need to tell the whole story about, but
I got I realized, Oh, this is what happened with me.
This is transformation. And it didn't come from that. The

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ability to transform a situation was it predicated on the
conditions of being great. That there was another way to
work with situations that seem limiting and difficult, and you know,
forecasting even death, it actually allowed for more life, more
capabilities that I believe we all have. So that was

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the beginning, and then I began to be like a
thirsty sponge for everything I could find in the field.
As you mentioned, I got my master and psychology looking
at it. From that lens religions, I went to a
two year seminary studied world religions philosophies, and that's been
my dedication is and particularly I got very interested in

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what's known as the Second Revolution in the United States,
the first being the revolution that untied our ties to
Britain governing US, and the second was a revolution that
occurred in the Northeast that became known as Transcendentalism, which
is Emerson Threau, that work of thinking beyond problems. And

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I've dedicated myself to the study of that and the
service of that in helping people transform their lives and
actually have a life that they love living while they're
living it, because it's a very precious and short thing.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Wow, I imagine that you had an incredible origin story,
and I'm not surprised at all, and that is indeed
incredible and I'm sure has really fueled your passion for
the possibilities of transformation and sharing those with so many.
So that's just incredible. And that Chaplain, what a gift
that Chaplain showed if at that time in your life,
well almost angelic, almost an angelic kind of visitation there. Amazing.

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So you alluded to this already a little bit. But
so this summ it's all about rewiring your beliefs. So
what does that bring up for you in the context
of manifesting life. We want actualizing our dreams, dream building,
what you call dream building, and today we're focused in
particular on financial well being, financial freedom, even wealth, financial prosperity.

(14:35):
And you know, so how that might tie together our
belief systems that we've inherited, you know, the conditioning we
received from our family lineage, the culture versus what set
of bots and beliefs might create a different reality for
us to allow us to manifest our best possibilities in
this area.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
From the study, in the work that I've done with
trends and dentalism, I'm going to transform something. It needs
to go beyond the current form of existence, whether it's relationships, money, whatever,
it is. So what they were discovering was that we
have a what they called a common hour thinking that
he's massively agreed upon as a construct for how reality works.

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That's in our human community, which is conditions have power
versus the power that's in every one of us to
think beyond conditions, circumstances, situations. So when Thireau does this
experiment with life two years, two months, and two days
and goes and lives, it wasn't a hermit. He was

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a surveyor with his brother, but he wanted to get
close to life, and he wrote, I went to the
woods to discover what life had to really teach me,
and not discover when I died that I hadn't even
really lived. And in his writings about the Experiment with Life,
he writes, I was hardly at the lake seven days

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when I discovered I was taking the same well worn path.
I had carved a paths to the lake to take
my bath in the morning, and I was continuing to
take the same path. And I thought, if I have
dedicated my whole life to discovering the impulse of life
in the moment I'm living, and yet I'm following the
same path every day. How often must I, unsbeknownst to me,

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be traveling the same well worn thought paths that I've
been thinking before. So in terms of rewiring our beliefs,
we have to become aware of a limiting belief. We
have to notice that, Gosh, every time I think about
how my mother beat me or how my dad did this,
I keep caring a story about me that I'm continuing

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to live into as if it has power. It is
a fact that that happened, but how much that fact
has power in the life we're living now is a belief.
So there's really nothing that cannot be transformed once we
get to the core understanding that most people, in terms

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of common hour thinking, are trained, and I had decades
of training in it too, that if I want to
do something, I have to have the right conditions. I
have to know where the money is coming from. I
have to put conditioned circumstances in place. Then I can
do the thing I want to do, versus deciding for
the thing I want to do, having a very clear
picture of it, the vibration of it, and then begin

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to live today doing the thing I can do with
what I have, and start to notice and we see
this in physics, that the more something is focused on,
the more mass it gathers, and situations start to and
things appear that we say came out of the blue.
You know, it's a good thing to ask ourselves now
and then where is the blue? The blue is right here.

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It's we are in you know, unending immense possibilities. So
when the woman said to me, you know, could you
believe there's a possibility you could get heal from this?
And I said, well, they say I can't, which is good.
Think about it. We're dealing with infinite possibilities. There's got
to be one where you get well, let's think from
that one. And so as we begin to understand how

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to apply both the art and the science to transformation.
The art is in the vision. You have to have
a crysticaler vision of what it is you want so
much that you can imagine yourself being in it, holding
the little boy's hand, being at the graduation of the wedding,
and so you're actually there's a part of you that's
resonating with it, even when nothing in the circumstantial world

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yet reflects it. And that's how all things in the
circumstantial world are they come from the same thing. Our
thoughts generate feelings. That feeling is a vibration. That feeling
dictates the actions we will or will not take, and
then the results are in harmony with all of those wavelengths.

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Same thing with your television. You turn on a television
if you have cable, I mean, you might have you know, streaming,
I mean on ending thousands of choices, but it's the
one you're tuned to that's going to show up as
the pictures on your screen. And if you don't like
what's on the screen, you can change what you're tuned to.
Hence rewiring our beliefs will transform anything you want to

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transform because you're changing the frequency, and what we're seeing
on the screen it's a reflection of the frequency we're
tuned to.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's a great metaphor. In the prison work that we do,
we have a meditation that's called change the channel. So
it's basically like, you know, you have the power to
begin to make that shift for yourself. So you mentioned
limiting beliefs. It's important for us become aware of the
limiting beliefs we may have. So in your work in
terms of building wealth or financial wellbeing, or financial security

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or even financial freedom, And that can be a ratio
between you know, how we perceive our needs and then
you know the revenue we generate. So I'm not trying
to peg that might be anywhere for anyone what that
sense of financial wellbeing and security or even financial freedom is.
But in terms of that part of our lives, the
money part of our lives, what have you found to
be some of the more common limiting beliefs, limiting core

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beliefs that really hold people back or keep them stuck
at a certain level of or lack of prosperity.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Money doesn't grow on trees. I got to work harder,
longer to be more successful. I'm not good with money
common kind of beliefs that we generate. My amazing major
shift in my relationship to money occurred in nineteen seventy five.
I was attending seminary. There was a conference happening in

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my seminary was in Phoenix, Arizona, where I was studying
world religions in Los Angeles. There was going to be
a big conference and a man that I had listened
to in those days, I think we had cassette tape.
Then I would listen to him, and he filled Lincoln
Hall once a week for lectures in mind science, you
know how you think. And there was something about him

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that this guy knows things that I'm studying, but he
knows it, and I wanted to go hear him along
with other speakers. So I made my way to la
his conference. His speech was going to be off campus
because there are three thousand people wanted to come my
guy there early I'm still a thousand persons back. I
got my notebook. He comes on stage. He's like big

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shock of white hair and beautiful in those days, double
breasted suit, black shiny shoes, and he's probably eighty. He
walks across the stage and he just looks at the
audience for a while and says nothing. I start to
feel this uncomfortable shift. And then he reaches in his wallet,
opens up his wallet and he pulls out money like

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this and he holds it up and he just shows,
not saying a word. He just shows all the money
and he goes, this is money. I love money. I
just loved money. And when he kissed the money, I
felt critical of him. I felt distastefulness about him, and

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I thought, this guy's not even spiritual. And then he
put the money back in his wallet, and he said, so,
now I'm going to ask you a question. I don't
want you to raise your hand, but I want to
ask you a question. When I just did what I did,
you had some thoughts about that. So if you felt critical,
or you wanted to rebuke me, or maybe you even
had the thought he's not spiritual. And I felt like

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he had just crawled in me and heard all the
things I was thinking. And he says, I want to
ask you a question. Instead of doing what I just did.
If I had walked out, instead of doing that with
the money, if I had walked out with a little boy,
Let's say he's three or four years old, and I
pick up that little boy and I hold him and
show you him the way I showed you the money,

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and then I bring him close and I say, this
is my grandson. I love my grandson. Well, I'll bet
every bit of the dollars I have in my wallet
that you would not have been disdainful of me. You
wouldn't have and rejecting of me. You wouldn't have been
critical of me, and you certainly wouldn't have thought that
I wasn't spiritual. Why Because you've been trained that it's

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okay to love a grandchild, but it's not okay to
love the source of your freedom. Money is simply a
symbol for your freedom to give what you really want
to give, bring what you really have to this world.
Let's go to your core beliefs about is it okay
to have money? Because if you have a rejection that

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nice people don't have money, or those who are rich
or selfish, or those are actually repellers of opportunities and
situations that can help become the avenues and challenge of
your own wealth.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I grew up with a lot of those beliefs. My
parents there was a family business made well, but it
was middle class. But they had a lot of beliefs
so like it was super rich people they're selfish, or
they're probably corrupt, or the whole big corporate world is
all you know. You you know assalted, they're small business
people and you know they came out of the depression era,
so they had that survival based thinking. And is a

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true that. I mean, this might not be do in
all cases, but it's common. I think that whatever the
financial mindset our parents have, and even often the income
levels they have, it's kind of hard for us to
go beyond that unless we really do change our beliefs
in some way.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, and one of those beliefs is the fear of
outshining parents. If I earnt more money than my dad
ever did or my families ever had, maybe they won't
like me. So if your core value is relationships, then
those two things might unless you become aware of them
and transform. It's okay for me to have money to
help my family. It's okay for me to be a

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place where my grandchildren get to go to college because
I'm able to support a portion of that or all
of that. So making it okay to you know, we're
dealing no matter what you call it energy, call it life,
call it spirit, it's unlimited abundance right here, and we
are all one thought away from either becoming more constricted

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or becoming more abundant. The thought itself dictates whether we're
going to be open to more good or condensed by
the circumstances. So my definition of this when he wrote,
I borrowed his term common hour thinking he wrote in
his essay and the conclusion, I've discovered this one thing
from my experiment. I've discovered this, at least from my experiment,

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that if one advances confidently in the direction of their dream,
your dream is a certain amount of money that's in
your accounts, in your assets, and what you're doing with it.
Wanting money is not enough. It's money is a tool.
So it's what you would do with the tool that
has way more energy in it. So if one advances

(25:45):
confidently in the direction of their dream, dreams endeavoring to
live the life they've imagined. When not, then now, so
I'm laying in a hospital bed, or I'm laying in
bed at home, and I'm imagining, I'm doing what I
can with what I have imagined and walking my little
boy to school, high school, graduation, wedding. And that's unbeknownst

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to me, changing the vibration, the toxology, immunity, all of
that in my own body. So if one does that,
he says, So, remember, you can't get to a dream
you haven't dreamed up. So wanting to have a little
more money at the end of the month is not
big enough dream. It's what you're doing with it. Remember,
she said to me, what would you do with your life?

(26:31):
She didn't say, would you like to get well? She said,
what would you do with health? So that I'm visualizing myself, yes,
being healthy, but I'm doing things with that health. So
it's the same thing with money. You don't want just money.
You want what you're doing with money. So you want
to be sure you're having that version or vision of

(26:51):
yourself being that and doing that. He says, you'll pass
an invisible boundary once you get past common hour thinking.
You open your self up to I mean, there's infinite possibilities,
and it's the possibility you agree with most that will
become much more of your reality. So if you believe
I'm not good with money, you get to not be

(27:12):
good with money. It isn't As you begin to change
that and say I can get good with money, you
know I can allow more money in my life because
I really care about this cause or this. It's okay
to want to have a home that is your welcoming
place to your family or friends, or and you want
a bigger house. And if you have a part of

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you that thinks, well, that's just selfish, that's common hour thinking.
It's not the truth. It's just a belief, and it
will continue to constrict you. So one of the key things.
In all the people I train, the number one tool
is to notice what you're noticing. You can't change something
you're not even noticing. And if you're having recurring thoughts,

(27:53):
you know I had recurring thoughts, you must be a
really bad girl. I mean, look at you, you're like
a delinquent. Now I'm and I was just I had
a string of this going on in me in those days.
So what you can't change something you're not aware of.
So to be able to notice your own trains of thought,
and if you're on a train of thought, it is constrictive,

(28:15):
and beating you down is never going to take you
to a good destination. So we get in front of
that and begin to change even one or two of
those core thoughts. So common error thinking. The definition of
that is looking to circumstances, situations, and conditions for permission
to be and do and have and live the way

(28:36):
you would love to. Brave thinking is the courage to
think and live from a vision regardless of circumstances, situations,
and conditions, which simply means holding the vision. What can
I do with what I have to move me and
in the direction even one baby step today? What can
I do today that would move me in the direction

(28:57):
of my vision or my dream, health, whatever the dream is.
And as you know that you're dealing with the infinite,
an idea will come. If you're thinking thoughts, how do
I get to the end of the month and pay
my bills? Oh my gosh, how am I going to
get money? Like if I move this one and I'm
going to pay less on that one, and I'm going
to continue to create results where I'm having to try

(29:20):
to get to the end of the month and pay
my bills. But you could It takes no more energy
to ask a different question like what could I do
to generate an extra ten hundred thousand depending on how
you relate and what's going on in your life this month?
Why got your first thought is so why I'm not
going to be able to do that? But what if
I could? And that's the core of what happened in

(29:43):
Conquered Massachusetts with Emerson Threau what if?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
The Trendsanellas have been a huge impact on my life.
So I'm glad you keep referencing back to them. And
I've always loved reference Throw's expression a lot. That the
great came out of the expression is something massive man
before general neutral language or something. But the great mass
of humanity living lives are quiet desperation. And that's when
we have we have not embraced the power of belief.

(30:08):
We have not embraced the power of our own mind.
We're living according to circumstances, and of course we're always
waiting for the other shoe to drop, because our whole
sense of well being is focused on circumstances. So I
want to talk in a moment I ask you about
I know you're working worked a lot with something called
the law of our braation, and I want to ask
you about that moment, just to make a fine point
of this so our audience realizes how important it is

(30:31):
to get in touch with the associations we have around money.
And there's so many negative culture. I mean, there's a
lot of celebrity and things, but there's also a lot
of negativity associated around money and money dirty and all
these kind of things. And my understanding is, you know,
based on our upbringing, our conditioning, our family, all those influences,
we have kind of a framework of beliefs about wealth

(30:54):
and money until we do something about changing that. Even
if we're motivating, I want to make more money. I
want to develop wealth. We'll keept keep hitting a barrier
of our beliefs, and it's like we start doing too well.
It's like the air conditional kick in and cool us off.
If we don't do well enough, heat comes on. I know,
you got to get busy. But we're almost programmed to
stay within this particular band. Some call it a blueprint,

(31:14):
and so the most effective thing rather than struggling with
the brute print is change the blueprint, change the beliefs.
But I think, first of all, as you're saying, we
have to become aware of what is our money, set
of beliefs, our blueprint, whatever it is that we're dealing
with right now.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I one hundred percent agree with you. That's exactly noticing
what you're noticing, and so you can notice those little
wiry thoughts that oh, this is too good to last.
Well wait a minute, where did that? Who says? It?
Might have been what I believe? But I don't have
to believe that now there can be sustained expansive growth.
I mean, because I just thought it up. If you

(31:48):
think something while it hasn't yet become physical in your life,
but that's how everything physical in our life does happen.
It starts with the thought, and then that thought is
focused on and then it begins to build mass, meaning
you put time to it, you put energy to it,
you gather materials to it, and pretty soon you've got
a whole new wardrobe of your life that is much

(32:10):
more congruent with a life you love.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Absolutely. Yeah, I think I've been aware of the book
Think and Grow Rich, probably since I was in my youth,
and I just never read. I wrote it off for
all the negative associations I had about money or the
negative social stations I had with that kind of thing.
I finally read it earlier this year and I was
blown away. I mean, the psychology, the psychological insight, and
the psychology in that book is absolutely phenomenal. Was also

(32:33):
based on his research at the time. So let's talk
about the law vibration. Once we get clear that we've
got some beliefs that probably are not working for us,
they're limiting us, and we're open to creating a new
vision for ourselves. What's the role of the law of vibration.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, when we think about it, there are you know,
the law of electricity, the law of magnetism, these We
respect these laws. They are fundamental. Even though you can't
put your fingers or hands or five senses to them,
they exist, and we are in a field of life
in which it's helpful to understand that. It's also helpful

(33:10):
to understand that while we often now in personal development
speak of the law of attraction, the law of attraction
is the secondary law. The primary law is the law
of vibration. I can't be thinking this thought it has
a vibration to it and expect this result. We are
not going to work our way into abundance from thinking

(33:33):
negative limiting thoughts. Those two things are on a different frequency.
So the goal that is to move to being the
person who's living the life you're imagining. When throws is
if one advances confidently. Well, most people think that means
I have to be confident in me. That's misplaced confidence.

(33:53):
We know that we're on and off and that sometimes
we're more consistent than others. But you can count on
gravity every day. You and I do not get up
in the morning and wonder if our feet are going
to stick to the floor. We are confident in invisible laws,
including you can be confident in the invisible law of
vibration if one advances confidently in the direction of their dream,

(34:17):
endeavoring to live the life they're imagining, meaning you can't
get to your dream anymore that I can get to discovery.
If I'm tuned to CNN, I have to come from
that frequency, so I have to be the person having
that life, even though nothing in the material world yet
has shifted. But because I'm on that frequency, different ideas

(34:37):
come to me. The ideas I'm having about my life,
who I can be, and what I can have, are
consistent with the major dominant thought patterns I'm operating on.
Those are not Even though you may have had a
result in your life for thirty years, it's only there
thirty years because I've been on the same frequency for
thirty years. It can change almost in the natosecond when

(35:01):
we get enough of us on another frequency. So noticing
the thoughts you're thinking are the expansive your first creation.
If you're thinking a thought that's more expansive, you're going
to feel it. Or if you're thinking, oh my gosh,
how many gets the end of the month and pay
my bills and I worry about this and worry, and

(35:21):
you're going to feel constrictive. So watch for expansion or
constriction in your own energy. And the more we lean
into expansion, the more we're going to see expansion the
things that matter to us in life.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, it is so incredibly helpful the way you're what
you're teaching us. I mean, because sometimes you know the
law of attraction, manifestation, the book The Secret to film
is they get a little bit of a bad rap,
and some of that work that's put out in the
world is a little simplistic, but here you're really talking
about the actual science. On the one hand of the psychology,
very clear psychology involved, but also the physics. The we

(35:58):
could talk about neurobiological term, but this is the way
that whatever energy is vibrating in different periodicity, different wavelengths,
and so certainly does influence other ways. And we know
the science of intrainment and the science of residence, the
science of coherence. All this is real science and what
you're describing here of how that works, and it makes
complete sense. You have a program called your dream builder program,

(36:20):
and I use that expression. I wonder if you could
make a distinction perhaps between being a dreamer as opposed
being a dream builder.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
So a dreamer dreams of things out there that, oh,
wouldn't that be wonderful? And you can feel uplifted or
even inspired a bit in the vision of something possible,
but there's no grounding of that in order for physicality
to arrange itself around, you know, molecular happenings. No dream

(36:50):
comes true unless you have the dream and then build
the dream. So I have wanting to simplify all this.
The first thing of dream building is the vision, and
that has to be a crystal clear vision, as if
it's happening now, so you could step inside of it.
You're mentioning, discovering science, getting er think and grow rich.

(37:12):
When Jullian Hill interviewed Carnegie, which he didn't know, Carnegie
had a vision for what he wanted from Hill, He'll
just want it to get an interview so that we
could sell a document. He told him so once he
agreed to a twenty year experiment for which he would
be not paid a dollar. With Carnegie richest man in
the world at the time, his promise, if you just

(37:33):
do what I'm telling you, you will become And you
do this, you study the science of success, because there
is a science to it. I know I want every
common person to be able to have access to it.
You will become more successful than in your weldest dreams
right now, so he agreed. Step one. He's told Napoleon Hill. Now,
when you go home today, I want you to go

(37:53):
to the mirror, and I want you to look yourself
in the eye, and three times a day, I want
you to say to yourself, as if you're talking to me,
Andrew Carnegie, not only shall I match your achievements in life,
but I shall meet you at the post and pass
you at the grand stance, which is a horse racing metaphor.
The post is where the final stretch happens. The grand

(38:16):
stands is where the race is won. He's imagining looking
at Andrew, and Napoleon Hill says, I felt like a fraud.
If I'm saying this one thing about all my current
results are this, I mean I'm struggling. They're living in
a one room, he and his young wife. They're living
in this one room, barely able to pay rent each month.
And he's looking imagining, looking at the richest man in

(38:37):
the world in his eyes and saying, I'm not only
going to become as successful as you, I'm going to
become by the end of my lifetime more successful, and
he just feels like a fraud. And this isn't but
here what's happening. He's starting to rewire a belief that
he's stuck in limitation and things he's going to have
to struggle. He's got an inner belief about stuck with money,

(38:59):
struggle in life paradigm. And he just starts doing this
anyway because his mentor told him to do it. The
mentor said, I'll check in on you and when I
think you're ready, we'll have another meeting. So Napoleon Hill
said it was probably three weeks of doing this and
just doing it because he was told to do it,

(39:19):
like the woman who came to my bed, and he said,
he was walking down the street and this thought crossed
his mind, Well it could happen, and it was like
somebody else's thought had got into him. There's some belief
that is ours to change right now, no matter how
successful we are that fleet you clearly spoke. You know,

(39:40):
the upper limit is always held by certain beliefs. So
if we want to break through in any area, it
starts with really noticing what we're noticing, and the thought
that's behind and driving that. So, of course Andrew Carnegie
had all this physical wealth. Napoleon Hill then writes his
book twenty years later, publishes that Carnegie, it's made about

(40:04):
one thousand millionaires. You can't even begin to count the
number of millionaires that came out of the science of
success that the ploy and Hill codified.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Wonderful. And you know, just for our audience, clearly, everything
that you're so wonderfully teaching us supplies to every aspect
of our health, our relations. We're focused today on wealth
and financial freedom and so forth, but these principles apply
to every area of our life.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
When we're noticing what we're noticing, notice that the part
of us, the very power that's breathing us. You can't
do that on your own. None of us created ourselves.
We can't even make our heart beat one time under
our own power. Life itself is animating this physical thing
called our body. So there's a part of us that
is whether you call it I'm a spiritual being having

(40:51):
a human experience, or however you define who you are,
there's a part of us that This is what the
transcendentalists we're talking about, a part of us that is
more than our current circumstances, situations, and conditions, and we
can notice. So now we have a vision of life,
and it has money, and it has different things to
it that matter to us for the good we can

(41:13):
do with it that version of expanded life. Notice that
there's a part of you that will be willing and yes,
and then there's a part of you that's arguing for
why you can't, Why now is not a good time.
Well it might work for other people, but it's not
going to work for you. So we have two sides
to our human nature. One is the spiritual side that's

(41:35):
always for more expansion. The other part is way more
goird in the human nature, which is, well, how are
you going to do that? Where is the money going
to come from? And it's all conditional based thinking. So
to become aware when you notice the part of it
that's trying to talk you out of having what it
is that you would really love, because it's just patterned thinking.

(41:57):
It was given to us, we were raised with it.
Money doesn't grow on trees, all of the limiting beliefs,
so you can't change something till you notice it. So
if you notice the part of you that wants to
go forward, and the part of you that's arguing for
why you can't, you can override that part by installing
new thinking that turn into new beliefs.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Beautiful. So I want to ask you, I think one
of the things that's a real obstacle to change in
every area of our life is our self image and identity,
which is really a collection of beliefs. And so often
I've heard people say, I'm sure you have. Well that's
just the way I am. I mean, that's not going
to change. I've always been that way, right, Or that's
just the way life is. Well, Princeville, that's the way
I am. And we're we have a very strong, almost

(42:38):
a desperate need to hang on new identities because we
start off as little tikes and we have to develop
some kind of self structure and we develop it out
of whatever environment we're in, but to navigate the world, right,
because we can't handle the groundlessness of just consciousness or
you know, letting, you know, transcending self structures and all
that at that point. So we develop with self structure
and we're pretty desperately hanging on to that. And since

(43:00):
when we're looking at change in transformation, we have to
be willing to start to loosen our grip on one
identity and consider the possibility of a new identity emerging.
And that can be a little frightening, like who would
I be? Or I've always been this way, so who
would I be?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
So I wonder if you could talk about the power
of self image and identity and how we can shift
that in terms of this area of our life, in
terms of financial wellbeing and financial freedom and so forth.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
It was Maxwell Maltz who wrote in Psychosybernetics and then
The Magic Power of Self Image Psychology that you can
never outperform your own self image. So what I'm looking
at as my results is a reflection of my own
self image. Who I think I can be, what I
don't think I can be, How important other people's approval

(43:47):
is to me versus really having what the role would
have called you more self recognition, that it's what really
matters to you is how you see you. So one
of his tools that he used at self image transformation
is to he called it the theater of your mind.

(44:08):
That in the theater of your mind, there's a lot
of different movies on the shelves that you can play,
and you can currently play the movies of you failing,
or you could recurringly show some movies of three times
when you were successful, from riding your bike for the
first time or tying your shoes for the first time,
or even what he called micro successes. But you start

(44:30):
this self image is not a static for everything unless
you believe it is. That's the way I've always been.
That's because that's what I tell myself. It doesn't have
to always be that way. But maybe nobody ever introduced
that I actually can change that. And the question is
do you even want to? Because maybe there's a hidden
benefit to continue to be holding onto that maybe I

(44:52):
get attention. You want to know all of those things
because as you know in your work fleet in psychology
that there's many layers of why things continue to be
that are not life giving. So the fundamental question is
do I want to have a more successful life? To me?
Would that include money? What about my relationships? What about

(45:14):
great health along the way to be able to do
and give the things that matter to me? What in vocation?
You don't have to earn income in your vocation, but
your vocation is what you do with your time and talent.
That is meaningful to you, and if it has the
output called work that is meaningful and purposeful, and I
feel like you're contributing to something bigger than yourself. There's

(45:36):
a certain kind of fulfillment that isn't found unless we
put those structures in place. So in noticing who you've
been telling yourself you are, those are more structured beliefs
about what I can have and be into. So when
you realize you actually are far more than you've ever known,

(45:57):
and you contain far more than you've ever thought, because
you're connected to this infinite energy and call it what
you will is breathing you right now, and it's sending
signals of more life in the human experience. We see that,
we hear that it. Just notice what you've been longing
for and notice where the discontent is. Those are two

(46:19):
signals from your soul that you are meant for more. Now,
you'll either shape that into a vision or you'll just
continue to struggle with the circumstances. We've all been given
free will and that, but to know that those conditions
are not more powerful than the power breathing you, and
there's a way to work with that in such a
way that you unleash that power and authority to even

(46:40):
bring simple but life lasting changes.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
As we consider possibly changing our belief structures around wealth
and financial freedom and changing our identity our self image
around that believing in the possibility of something greater. Wherever
we are, they're believing in the possibility of something, you know,
a significant shift that can bring up a lot of fear.
What if I fail, or if we have tendencies to

(47:04):
be self critical and self shaming, we'd be fear I'm
going to fail and now I'll be shaming our experience
all the shame, or many of us also feel like
we kind of need permission, waiting for somebody to give
us permission to be this different person right or you know,
we have a lot of these like I don't deserve that,
or how could I? But I wonder if you could
talk about again noticing what you're noticing, but how to

(47:24):
work with that fear that comes up, or how to
work with the feeling of almost feelings of guilt or
a lack of permission or something that come up even
once you're really trying, like I'm going to take on
this vision I'm hearing Mary, I'm willing to really do
the work, and then I get into get really nervous,
it gets scary.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
So we want to rewire in terms of rewiring, rewiring
our belief about failure. In this dimension of life, we
learn equally from getting it right and not getting it right.
It's just information, but we have you know, as little kids,
we give ourselves full permission to experiment and try and

(48:00):
fail and take the learning. No one just stood up
and walked. You walk and fall down. You walk and
fall down. And as little kids, when we fall down
a number of times learning to walk, we don't say, well,
I guess I'm not going to be a walker, but
fall down in love or fall down in money. And
as adults we think we should always get it right,
and the fear that we don't get it right can

(48:23):
feel so piercing. When we don't understand this is simply
learning that this gives us an opportunity for feedback. It's
only failure when we decide its failure. Up until then,
it's just feedback. Okay, that didn't work, Well, let's find
out what does and neutralize it. But that's not something
that's in the culture of thinking about what looks like failure.

(48:46):
You go, oh, my God, it's shameful that was dominating
in my early life. It was deadly, and I believe
it's deadly, whether it's physically deadly or life in terms
of constriction that I'm going to live under the veil.
I just don't want to fail versus I'm willing to
have some things work and maybe some things not work

(49:06):
while I'm learning and growing. Now you don't have to
take your whole bank account and do something with it.
You can give yourself permission to explore your starting a business.
You're doing something, and you still can have your protections
in place. But it's the psychological side of it to
be willing to experiment and learn. When Thomas Edison, I

(49:29):
mean arguably the most prolific inventor ever to walk this planet,
was asked, how did you deal with ten thousand failures
on your way to finding the incandescent bulb? And he
looked at them quizzically and he said, I never had
a failure. It was all feedback. It's something we can
adopt if we choose to.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Absolutely, there's a wonderful training I led a lot, and
it was introduced me by someone else where. We did
this game called the Maze game, and if you're trying
to get through the maze with your team, and every
time you step in a wrong square, you get beatt
And the teaching that came out of the end of
it was realizing because you have emotional reactions to the beep, right,
you get upset, and you get upset with yourself, you
get upset with the person you know doing the beeping.
The realization on the end of it's just feedback. It's

(50:11):
just feedback that helps you then find the right path.
So I think that's a great insight for us to
have about what's a rising for us. So one of
the bleaf structures I think can really get it in
a way is people. And you referenced the speaker that
you saw out there in Los Angeles and your thought that, well,
he's not even spiritual, and then he said that you
probably had that thought right. So people often think that

(50:32):
money and spirituality are opposin ince of the spectrum. They're
on different poles. So I wonder if we could you know,
I know myself, I grew up with this kind of
depression era fear and survival based stuff with my family.
Then you know, in the sixties, I revolted and became
a hippie and the kuntercultural movement, and then money in
the corporate world was all bad, right, And then I

(50:52):
became a Buddhist, and I misinterpreted those teachings to think
it was purely, you know, that really hardcore anti materialism,
which is a misunderstanding of that tradition. But it really
doesn't say anything about wealth one way or the other.
It's more how you relate with how you use it,
what you do with it. But so anyway, I had
to work through all those different things about feeling like
spirituality and money where it opos in the spectrum. It

(51:14):
really wasn't until later in my life I started through
my work meeting some wealthy people who were quite spiritual
and quite sane, and that relationship to my thinking. Now,
at the same time, we know there's a lot of
people who drive themselves to financial success and have a
lot of financial success. We're not happy. So I wonder
if you could talk.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
About that a bit, about how we can build wealth
in a way that is not out of alignment with
our spiritual values and which will not put us in
a place of more unhappiness, but rather more abundance and ease.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
In our life.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I think there's something called full spectrum wealth. Most people
associate wealth in a very small corner of their lives.
It's money, it's a physical asset, but that doesn't make
you wealthy. Full spectrum wealth is that you're wealthy in
your health. So many times people are so busy trying
to earn income gather wealth they at the expense of

(52:08):
their own health, so they can become bankrupt in health
or bankrupt in relationships because they're too busy doing the
thing that they think has this value. Meanwhile, they're missing
a whole I mean depth of wealth that comes in
really healthy, long lasting, beautiful, relating expressions of life, vocation,
something that isn't just about money, but it's something that

(52:30):
you can love into existence because it has meaning and
purpose involved in it. And then this thing called your freedom.
Quadrants or four quadrants, health, relationships, vocation, and I know
you do many of these summits that actually address specifically
these areas fleet. The fourth quadrant in my understanding of

(52:50):
full spectrum wealth is you want to be wealthy in
time and money freedom not just money freedom, but the
time to invest in things with your time that matter
to you, to take the trips that if you love
to travel to different places with family or friends, that
you have this wonderful mix of health, relationships, vocation, time

(53:11):
and money freedom and to work with our rewiring our
beliefs that you can actually have a full spectrum wealth
result in your life that continues to expand in increase
versus if I get this and I'm going to trade that,
which is just common hour thinking is looking to things
outside ourselves to try to rearrange so we can have

(53:32):
the things that matter to us.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Well, that's an argument for our audience really making sure
that you take advantage of all the days of the
summit because it addresses all those areas of our life.
And again, what you're teaching us, these basic principles apply
to all these areas. We can apply them not only
to financial prosperity financial well, but to every aspect of
our life. So we're coming near the end of our
time here, and you know you've spoken to this again

(53:55):
and again. Like developing, it's kind of a mindfuls pact
and awarespact, paying attention, like being attentive to the emotions
that are rising, the thoughts that are arising, beginning to
recognize some of these self limiting patterns that that's really
the basis of the work. If there's a practice, it's
learning by paying attention to our existing self limiting patterns, right,

(54:17):
and then that's the beginning of being able to change them.
And you kind of mentioned this before, but I wonder
if one kind of like really rower meets the road.
Part of that is, as we become aware of a
self limiting thoughts or patterns of any kind, there's going
to be a feeling of constriction that will affect our energy,
our breath, you know. It's that feeling constriction. And it
seems like if we relax into a more expansive view

(54:40):
or trusting source, trusting consciousness, trusting that which animates us
as you've been referencing, there's more feeling of opening. And
I'm wondering if you can talk about how that might
be a guide to keep us on the path to
move away from our constricted conditioning into more expansive visioning
for our lives.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
So I'll give you three magic words that I use
and train people in exactly what you just said. So
you're noticing expansion, you're noticing contraction. What is life giving?
What is life constricting the thought that generate that feeling.
So if you have a thought, you know that's just
the way I am, or money doesn't work for me.
You hear all this, you know whatever when you hear

(55:21):
yourself thinking a limiting thought, that and how it is
just who you are? You just say, up until now,
I believed that. Up until now, i've operated. Is that's true?
But now and the moment you say up until now,
it's as if the whole subconscious mind gets alert. Oh,
captain's turning the ship. Now, in the old days, it

(55:41):
would take seven miles to turn an ocean liner. But
the moment the captain gave the order, all hands under
deck went to work on it. So why saying up
until now? So what's now? And then you lay That's
where you lay down a more expansive version like but
now i'm and you late. You're changing self image, You're

(56:02):
changing the construct of who you are and how you
can be and what you can have. And nothing in
your material world has shifted yet. But it's already shifting
by means of a new vibration moving into and through you,
by means of your agreement with it. But if I
agree with limitation, what Henry Ford said, if you think
you can or you think you can't, you're right. So

(56:23):
let's get on the right side of you getting to
actually experience who you came to be and what you
came to bring and the life that really has your
name on it.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Wow. So I hope our audience will write that down
because that is golden that it's like the secret sauce
there of how to create that shift. That's quite amazing. Well, Marrit,
thank you so much, Thank you so much for everything
you shared with us today. It has been incredibly illuminating.
Thank you so much for the work you bring into
the world so bravely. And where can people learn more
about you your work, the Brave Thinking Institute, your dream

(56:55):
Builder programs.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
You can go to BTI dot com or Brave Thinking
Institute dot com. You'll find everything I'm doing. There's a
lot of free things on YouTube, and of course everything
we're offering is on the website. But I also want
to say thank you Fleet, Thank you for your work
in the world. Thank you for the years of study
and all that it took for you to be bringing
all the wonderful things into our lives that you are bringing.

(57:19):
It's been a privilege for me to be hearing.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Oh, thank you, Mary. It's certainly an honor and privilege
for me, So thank you so much, and please be well.
Thank you for joining me on the Radical Responsibility Podcast. Remember,
real change happens when we commit to our growth, face
our challenges with compassion, and stay open to transformation. If
you found this episode helpful, I encourage you to subscribe
and help us spread the message of healing and personal empowerment.

(57:43):
Stay grounded, stay present, and stay true to you. Take
care

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