Siamon Emery | Reclaiming Safety One Breath at a Time - Radical Responsibility Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you're ready, you'll allow the fears to come. The
fears will come, this is the thing. But we have
to create capacity first to allow the fear to be there.
And the capacity is what as a society we do
not have anymore. We have disassociation. We have screens on
our telephones, whatever dopamine you can put your finger on,
we have. So they're actually the capacity to sit and

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build resiliency, build robustness. Even robustness is where I like
to lie more so than a resiliency, because robustness says
your whole, you're really beautiful. Let's cold ourselves in dysregulating
places consciously. Let's go, let's put ourself on the edge.
Let's build that capacity in our nervous system to hold
more and more fearful states. And we don't do that
anymore as a society.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
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if the key to healing isn't just in your mind,
but store deep in your body's memory. In this powerful episode,
I sit down with Simon Emery, an internationally respected mental
strength coach and somatic regression practitioner. Simon shares his remarkable

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journey from a childhood's steeped and instability and addiction to
becoming a guide or high performance and trauma survivors seeking
true resilience and wholeness. We explore how trauma lives in
the body, a moments of safety can be reclaimed and embodied,
and why somatic work is essential for lasting transformation. If

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you're ready to explore healing to a deeper connection to
your body and inner safety, this conversation is one you
won't want to miss. Let's dive in Minding the Doctor
Fleet Mall the founder Apartment in Stuit and your co
host for this interview, and I'm very happy to be
here today with Simon Emery.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Welcome Simon, thanks to having me Slate. It's a pleasure
to be here.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Oh yes, well, it's my joy to get to have
this conversation. Your work is very interesting, so maybe we
can start with something personal and even your bio reference
to the difficulties you experienced growing up. But I'm wondering
in particular, maybe something about that and also how maybe
there was a moment when you felt propoundly disconnected from
your body, or maybe there was a moment when you

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felt propoundly reconnected and that influenced the trajector of your work.
But anyway, something about how your work grew out of
your experiences.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, you know, growing up in Australia, I was the
child of two intravenious drugged users. So whilst my mother
was pregnant with me, she wasn't quite using at that stage.
My father was. But when I was born, in the
stress of a young child in the household and not
having a partner who was willing to take the load
as of a young child, my mother also been only
nineteen years of age, she also chose to step out

(04:27):
and start to you know, use heavily as well. So
I became a commodity for them. As a way that
they could use me to influence people around them and
to you know, get their needs met through disassociating their
own experience. And then I was just the kid tagged along,
you know, through that whole experience. And I think my

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needs were never put first, ever, not once. My needs
were supplementary to the needs of my parents' ability to
you know, regulate and suit their own internal spaces, and
you know, obviously from their experience, it was just what
was best. So then was heroin.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Wow. So how did that sharp you as you've found
your way into adolescence and you know, begin trying to
navigate like yourself, How did that the impact of that
show up in your life?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
No one was safe in my experience, you know, my
primary care givers who were meant to keep me in
a safe coregulating saying that this world is safe. It's
like nothing for me in that young years was safe.
So it was filled with disassociation and self certained soothing.
And that soothing looked a lot like things and chocolates
and sweets and bad behavior. Because I always played him,

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because everybody felt so bad for me and so much
sympathy for me, I always kind of was given a
lot of things for free, and it's like, oh, here's
the poor junkie kid. He have some money, have some sweets,
have some things. So I was never really held accountable
for my you know and understandable, let's be honest here,
but I wasn't really really held accountable for my own
actions for taking responsibility for me. So I was almost

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given carte blanche to just be that person, fully identify
as this child or a lesson who was the child
of junkies and in a really it's functional world. And
so my whole childhood said to me that I had
a dysfunctional experience. And so then I am justified in
my behavior and in my belief system about who I
am in a way that I show up in the world.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
So when how did that begin to turn around for you?
When did you begin your own healing journey that led
to the work you do now?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I think it was by my late twenties. I've been
through two very distinctly painful experiences. One was the breakdown
of a relationship I was in I was engaged, and
the other one was the business, you know, the work
I was doing. So, you know, up until my twenties,
I kind of managed to fumble along, and you know,
I managed to get myself to a contracting job. Here,
I managed to become actually do an apprenticeship and become

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a carpenter, and sort of with the resiliency of youth,
you know, because youth you can just you've got so
much energy and so much capacity to actually do a
lot of things. So I for me at that time,
I wasn't personally, I didn't really see too much wrong
with me. I thought, oh, yeah, that was just my childhood.
But you know, now I've got a job, and I've
got a oh our friend, and now I'm doing this
and so realistically, when we separated, when I was about

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twenty eight twenty nine is when. And you know, i'd
been sort of up until that point, I'd also been
indulging in alcohol, never really touched any hard drugs because
obviously I was first and experienced about what the effects
of what those drugs would do to people. So I
was always just drinking a little bit and a little
bit of recreational drugs. So nothing. But what really flicked
the switch for me was the breakdown of this relationship

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at twenty twenty eight to twenty nine and then I
started to really look at myself and think about maybe
it wasn't the world that was the problem, it might
be me. And now saying that doesn't mean that. Then
all of a sudden, the switch flicked and I was
everything was going in the right direction. It was just
the ability to take ownership of some behavior was not
even behavior, but just some circumstances in my life that

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were showing up. And as I did that, you know,
then I went down the whole sort of rabbit hole
of talking to counselors and doing some neural feedback work
and doing a whole bunch of studying, this long process
of going through different modalities and different therapists and different
you know, and just each time just getting a little
nuggative experience or a little nuggetive reflection, but really not

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fundamentally changing anything as such in my internal experience. Whilst
it was good for the moment, it wasn't really shifting anything.
I was still having those same urges and those same
dark thoughts about my ability to actually show up for myself.
It was always like, you know, I'm the kid who's
had this experience as a child. That means I'm therefore

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tired with the anfeted with this childhood. So we always
even though I could have all of this self awareness
and this experience in this reflection, you know, going to
India and studying, doing yogic studies in India, living in
an ashram and in Australia and really focusing as much
as I could, there was just it wasn't shifting at all.
So that was about ten years Genia's work.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah. Yeah, and it sounds like there was a strong
identification with your past, which can be something that can
really be an obstacle even when people are doing their work.
So what finally did shift things for you?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, what finally shifted for me was but I started
listening to some really beautiful thought leaders in the space,
you know, and one of them first up was Gablon
Marte because gabl Martet had really deep experience with addiction,
and so I was looking at it through the lens
of what he was presenting. And for me, my parents baby,
because I always couldn't reconcile my parents' behavior. It was
really tough why they would choose this experience and not

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choose me. So it was like I was the one
who was not chosen and so, but then listening to
him and talking about how diction shows up and how
it's present and how people use it as a way
to soothe, and then listening to him and go, okay,
that makes a lot of sense. That really give me
a bit of a direction. Okay, so it's kind of
like disassociating, but reassociating with the body from a really
comfortable place, because we've got this kind of uncomfortable in

(09:44):
our body all the time that you know, I was experiencing.
That would shift when I would have a few beers
or you know, or have you know, have a little
bit of this or that, nothing in particular, you know, drastic,
or you know, have a bit of a chat with
someone who could see me for wholeness. But it would
always other experience would always creep back that you know,
I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy, I feel like crap,
I'm really anxious all the time. My anxiety is actually

(10:05):
getting worse. And so then I started also listening to
Dr Peter Levine and vessel Vandercolt and vessel vand Kolb
was really amazing because his The Bodykeeps a Score, that
book of his The Bodykeeper Score was a fundamental paradigm
shift for me listening to how your ability to process
trauma and hold trauma in your body was so fundamentally
profound that actually it would create disease and chronic illness

(10:27):
through it. You know. That was me looking at my
experience going, well, that's going to be my future if
I don't actually learn because as to how to actually
deal with all of this trauma that's stored in my body.
And so leading up to this too, it also spend
a period of time in India and studying yogi and
I ended up doing my toppli Re yogic studies there
as well, and we did that whole and its deep
meditation and deep processing in yogic spaces. Now, whilst that

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was beautiful in the time, it didn't really give me
any relevancy to moving forward and holding myself. You know,
every time I used to have this with a friend
of mine who was a long time yogi, it's like,
how do I keep doing the practice when I start
to feel good again? Because what I would do is
I would use it as a way. I would use
the practices, you know, the yoga and the meditation and
all of these things to stop myself feeling so bad

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when I was having a really dysregulating moment. And then
once I'd processed that, and when I'd stopped doing the
work as well, and then it would just this NonStop
process of like you know, as something would show up,
I do a bunch of yogat make it feel better,
and then to go away, and then I'd just drop it.
So it wasn't a process that I was continually developing.
And then finally I was reading this book and it

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was talking about childhood experiences and I think the book
was from memory. It might have been the ifs, so
the internal family systems I was looking at as well.
But pretty much we'll ask me what periods in your
childhood were you able to feel safe? And then understanding
from the yogic perspective. For me, when I would do
a yoga nindra, so yoga niindra is a body scanning. Basically,
it's a body scanning meditation where we close the eyes

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down your life still. I usually lie still, and then
we go through the hands, you know, right hand, index finger,
middle finger, ring finger, pinky finger, thumb and we'd just
go through process putting the consciousness in each individual body part,
getting it out of the head, getting it into the body,
and then I would use that process to calm my
internal state. And then I just asked myself this question,

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when was the very first time that I can remember
feeling safe? And what instantly come to me in that
moment was I was four or five years old. I
was at my grandmother's house, who I didn't live with
all the time, but I would go there on occasion,
and I was sitting on the sofa, the couch on
a Saturday morning. It was about six thirty seven o'clock.

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Nobody else was up. It was just myself and my grandmother,
and she had just brought to me the biggest bowl
of cocoa pops you could imagine, chocolate cocoa pops with
chocolate milk on top, with a pound of sugar on
top of it as well, like any five year old
boy would love, and then a big chocolate milk to
drink as well. And she wrapped me up in discomforter
in this beautiful dinner, and she turned the Saturday morning

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cartoons on from me, and in that moment, that vis
real memory as a forty year old man came flooding
back to my body experience and my whole experience in
that moment just come right out of that hypervigilant, super
unsafe experience that I was continually having in my body
because I was unable to shut it down. And finally
I felt my nervous system start to turn down, just

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to dial it. All of a sudden, that little boy
who didn't feel safe all of a sudden had a
memory from his childhood of feeling connected, love, safe, scene, warm,
held all of the things that he desired his whole life.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Wow, a very powerful experience. Yes, So you've integrated a
lot of different things for your own healing process, and
then as you developed into offering the work, and one
of your integrations, I think you call it. I believe
you trained in a somatic experiencing Peter Lean's worker issue,
influenced by that, but you've dreopt this model you call
somatic regression, and that terma is new to me. So

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you could talk about.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
That, sure, So I really wanted to come up with
a term. It was really relevant for the work that
I did. And so if we think about like sematic
experiencing when we coin phrases or when we bring up
sort of experiences in the body, we usually turn them
around or we focus them around. In my experience, when
I was doing it anyway, it was like, go to
my happy place, or go to the place that makes

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me feel wonderful, you know, go to the beach, or
go to the forest, or go to the ocean. Although
it felt amazing, it wasn't really relevant to my personal experience.
And so what I was able to fundamentally understand once
I developed this process for myself is like, this is
really a really unique experience for me, and it's my
experience that I get to hold onto. It's actually an

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experience of my childhood of feeling deeply connected and safe.
And so in my processing of that experience, I realized
the sematic part of myself, so that you know, the
body basically is still in a lot of ways, is
still that little boy who feels so scared. So then
through that process, I took also to other experiences in
my child you know, to my uncle rescuing me one day,

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and to you know, the first day I learned to
surf when I was seven, you know, and it was
in bar And Bay, and it was in this beautiful place.
So I continually from that understanding, I started to do
the meditations, which was basically the yoga Nidra meditations, which
would calm my body, which would get my mind into
my body, you know, get my experience. Well, you look
my attention into my body and out of my thinking brain,

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and then I would pull it. Once I brought my
attention into my body, I was really easily able to
bring up experiences from my childhood where I was able
to reframe a lot of the experience. So the reframing
was about where I was safe, where I was connected,
where I was loved. And then when I would experience,
then I would ask myself where do I feel this
love in the body? And then I would think it

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club with my eyes closed, and I said, well, I
feel it in my stomach, for instance. And so then
I would take my left hand and I would place
it over my stomach, and then I would hold myself
in that experience of that little boy who feels so
safed and loved and so Somatic regression basically means taking
your body back to a time from your childhood, or
from your adolescence, or even from your recently from being

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an adult. It doesn't really matter actually at the end
of the day where we get to experience what it
because we don't sometimes allow ourselves to do this, but
we get to experience what it's life like again, to
feel safe, to feel connected, to feel wanted, to feel loved,
to realize everything always works out, to pull ourselves outside

(16:27):
of that experience of unloved and unsafe. And that's where
the somitic regression term basically was coined. It's like it's
specific to each individual's experience. You will never ever not
have that experience ever again or actually totally change your
child It can actually reframe a lot of people's childhoods
as well, because I actually you can imagine through and

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you know you're being yourself a doctor's through give. So basically,
if we're always in a disregulated, fearful state, we're actually
going to upregulate all of those neurons of fear and unsafety.
So we're always going to be wired for cortisole and
for the adrenaline, and so if we're always got those synapses,
you know, basically ready to receive all of those hormones,
that we're going to be constantly looking for those and

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then you know, adding to that specter as well. A
fear conditioned to migdalo, which is always looking for fear
for stuff, because we had to be safe. It was
always had to be on alert, high alert always. Once
we can turn those systems off in the brain and
we can upregulate some oxytocin and some serotonin, we can
actually start to balance out those neural pathways. And it's
a feeling process. Fleet it's a really it's what's so understood.

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It's like the bottom up approach is to change a
brain state. It's not a bloody well thinking process. It's
actually a feeling process. And if we can feel connected
and love to our body and allow our body to
feel that, it pretty much will instantly changes our brain state.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So yeah, and I think the bottom up work is
so important. I mean, you know, not thinking your way
to healing, not a process of healing, but I know
you integrate mindfuls into your work, so there is sometimes
just general mindful just awareness, like being present is considered
part of the prefrontal cognitive top down awareness in a

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positive way. It's not necessarily cognitive worker changing your thought bearers,
but it's just a general mindful us. So I wonder
if there's an integration or a marriage there if you
will the bottom up with some top down awareness that
really helps cement these experiences and really ultimately rewire our
nervous system for safety.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's got to start from the bottom up, though, Once
we can actually get ourselves out of that hypervigilant state,
once we create some capacity in our nervous system, we
can then actually upregulate the prefrontal cortex, which gives us
some rational thought, which then we can keep ourselves it's safe,
we can keep ourself present. We can keep ourselves connected too,
So it's still both. We don't isolate one from the other.
It's still an interconnective process. It's still beautifully you want

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the brain on board. But where we've got that wrong
for so long, I believe is we've pathologized the human
experience too much, and we've given it all diagnosis and
we've given it all validation and thinking processes, when an
actual fact, all we needed to really do is to
validate someone's human experience, say yes, that was tough, connect
with them in a really beautiful, authentic way, and then
teach them how to pull themselves out through feeling connected

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in love.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like a beautiful process. I
would imagine that almost anyone has, you know, some experience
that they can find where they felt safe, connected, love.
You know, there may be some folks that are highly
traumatizeder came from really horrific backgrounds that just might not
be able to and they might have to recreate that
in a therapeutic situation, but they could be created and

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then they could begin to use that as a reference point.
But I imagine most people, even those of us with
you know, some really challenging backgrounds and so forth, if
we go through that process with patients, there are moments
where we have experienced that quality of safety and connectedness
and so forth. Is that your experience in working with people?

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yes, so most of the time, when most of my clients,
when we first come up, when I onboard new clients,
one of the first things they'll say to me is,
I don't have a memory of safety. I do not
have a memory of safety at all. I can't afford
about it, and I haven't been able to think about anything.
When I say, well, of course, if you think about
how you've lived your life for the last twenty thirty
forty years, if you've always been in a fear conditioned state.

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It's actually really not safe for you to remember a
time when it was safe. You've actually had to be
hyper vigilant your whole life because that actually what's kept
you safe is being hyper vigilant. And so this is
why this process is somatic process. This yoga nidra process
that I use was through the computer here is quite
easy as well, because we just get them to have
an internal experience. I get them we can really just

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through this yoga nidra close the eyes down, take you
through individually through the body, a simple breathing process, and
then I just instigate some really simple words of just
when was the first time you felt safe. I make
sure that when I work with people, I am really
safe in my body. So I get to corregulate through
the screen. I talk really softly and calmly. I get
people to feel in a really calm, connected state, and

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then all of a sudden a memory that they haven't
thought of in thirty five years drops in and they're like,
oh my god, I haven't thought about it that in
thirty years. I remember sitting in the garden with my
mother picking flowers, and she was telling me how beautiful
all every flower I ever picked for us, and I
felt so love and connected and we were laughing and
the sun was out and I haven't thought about that

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since I was a six year old girl. And then
you see the shoulders drop, You see the breath start
to come down out of the upper thoracic It actually
starts skinn because everybody's breathing up in here. We pull
that breath down into the stomach and into actually engaging
that vegas and of the vagual response, yeah, like a
ventral vagual response. And then they yawn. Oh, and then
they feel really sleepy. After a first or second session,

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everybody feels really sleepy. They're finally starting to understand what
a connected, safe feeling in the body actually is feels like.
And because we're reframed it like it is reframing, yes,
but through the reframing and through the experiencing, through the reframing,
we're changing the brain state fleet instantly in that moment,
changing it from one of a fear conditioned to MIGDLA

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to a connected safe unregulated hippocampus then regulated to me
to upregulated prefrontal cortex. Serotonin oxytocin start actually to be
produced in a neural pathways, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, so rather reframing purely from a cognitive angle, it's
really an experiential reframing and then could lead to a
cognitive reframing. But essentially you're having an organic experience that's
actually reframing.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Which is specific to the client. So then that memory
will stay rigidly with you for the rest of your life.
You get to call on that. So it's what I could.
That's a resource and you would use for the rest
of your life. And so when my clients, when we
come to an end of the process that I use that,
people like, oh my god, I'm really scared. This is
not going to stay with me. And I'm like, no,
this is yours. This is specific to your human experience.

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This never leaves you. Now you will always have this
as a resource.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, it was also interesting what you said. I do
a lot of work with correction professionals and other public
safety and first responders, police and they live in a
hyper vigil and state and they don't know how to
turn it off ever, and it because of that, they're
experiencing all the illnesses and you know, terrible health consequences,
and so I use all kinds of different self regulation
by your mind techniques. So I try to give them

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a window in the beginning to shift that. But I
have one process that I lead often with them, not
just with those folks, but with them in particular, that
I call safe, resource and connected and so contemplation where
I actually ask them to contemplate feeling safe and then
contemplating feeling resource, and contemplate feeling connected to their loved
ones and others. But even bringing up safety initially, I

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really have to frame it and help them ease them
in to being even willing to acknowledge a moment of safety,
even relative safety, even for just this moment, because for
someone who's lived in that high provisional state, even the
notion of safety feels unsafe. Kind of like you were
pointing before, it's like vulnerable being safe as being vulnerable

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and I can't be vulnerable. That's not safe to be safe, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Absolutely, it's totally not safe. And their experience is in
the moment that let their god damn, the moment they
become vulnerable. That's when you get that visceral nervous system response,
you know that basically that survival drive response that says,
if I feel safe, I'm going to die.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, that's really fascinating. So you talked about once someone
can contact this one of these experiences, I mean that
as their own, they have it, they're not going to
lose touch with it. And you called it in a resource,
so I know you upsize the importance of building in
a resources for resilience. I wonder if you could talk
more about some of the maybe perhaps other practice, the
techniques where you help people build that more resource, the

(24:28):
inner architecture, so that they have that resilience.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Once we find that resource and then we hold that
rEFInd that resource. I asked them where do they feel
in the body if it's in the stomach or in
the chest, or in the back of the shoulders, or
where if it's in the hands, where at the top
of the legs. I then get them to hold themselves
there or I either get the right hand to hold
over the over the chest or left hand wherever it is,
and then we get to anchor that experience in the body. Right,

(24:52):
So then there's the resource, then the anchor. Okay, so
that anchor at the moment we start to feel overwhelmed.
Sometimes we can actually combind it twos combind and memory
and the anchor. So we hold ourselves, We feel the
warmth of our hand, we feel the connection of the experience,
We full the warmth of softness in our body. We
start to identify and pull that out and go and
that's fine. This and this is how I speak to

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people about it. So basically, you're now the mother and
the father to that little version of yourself that is
terrified in this moment. And so that version of yourself,
that little boy or little girl, what do they really want?
And so when I think about it, from my personal experience,
all I wanted from my childhood was consistency of emotional
output and always to be there when I felt unsafe, right.

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And so now when I start to feel that unsafe
space or when I start to go, oh, this is
not you know, emotionally, I'm not really in the right
space at the moment, I understand that that's actually still
an experience from my childhood that's still unprocessed in my body.
And so the way that I process it is, and
the way that I helped my clients to process this
is we then, through building capacity in our nervous system,

(26:00):
actually start to allow some of the grief from those
really disregulating experiences to come in. We allow the sadness,
and it usually comes once we start to feel really safe,
once we start to have a capacity now of a
nervous system, once we bring that down, once we bring
that allostatic load down to like a three out of
ten or two out of ten rather than a seven
or eight out of ten consistently, and we're trying to

(26:21):
hold everything down because if we go into a ten
out of ten, that's you know, nervous member the old saying,
nervous breakdown, that's nervous breakdown territory. So we always just
could keep ourselves contained, which means we can't allow ourselves
to feel sad, and we can't allow ourselves We've got
to be rigid, and we've got to be stoic, and
we've got to be all these things for everybody. Right
the moment we create capacity, the tears come, which is beautiful.

(26:43):
The processing comes, the fear comes, the sadness, all of
it comes. It all just naturally starts to come through
and we just hold hold it, we allow it to
be there. It's so welcome, that human experience of you
feeling sad, feeling lonely, feeling disconnected, feeling scared, so welcome here.
That's that little version of yourself that wants to say, hey,

(27:04):
don't suppress me, don't run away from me, help me
feel safe. You're the one who has to help me
feel safe. Now that experience for me, that's how profound
it was for me. That's all of it I ever wanted.
And so now me being the adult, I'm the adult.
I made it. Hey, I'm here. I'm now the parent
to that experience of that little boy, the mother and
the father to that little binner. Sometimes I've got to

(27:25):
call bullshit when's bullshit has to be called about that experience, Go, hey,
that's ridiculous, stop thinking that. And then other days I've
got to stop and go, Okay, yeah I feel it. Yeah,
no problem. And so I get to be that at
the capacity to have that internal dialogue with myself now
and now here's the rub. I don't have to do
it very often anymore, if at all, because all of
a sudden that internally I've managed to process that experience,

(27:47):
that internal experience from my childhood, that aspect of it,
and this is how I frame it with my clients.
That aspect of myself now feels really safe with me,
and so rarely will I try and rarely will that
little boy try and get my attention anymore. He'll just go, oh, no,
Simon's you know, my dad's got it. He's fine. And
this is how I help people to understand how they
can integrate more of their experiences, like, yes, you get

(28:09):
to you know, even though you didn't get the experience
that you wanted to say in childhood. And you know,
and that's what I want to say to you here.
It's not always the childhood experience that we can go through.
It can be an adolescent experience. It can be a
deeply traumatic relationship breakdown. It can be the death of
our parents in adulthood. They're all still human experiences, and
no one experienced trumps the other. Yeah, it's all just

(28:31):
you know, your ability to process pain, trauma, you know,
extreme events. We really haven't been taught. And I think
what I've introduced and what I've been able to process
myself is really fundamental to changing my human experience and
fundamentally changing everyone I work with lives wonderful.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, your reference having shifted that relationship to that young boy,
that part of you, and that sort of brings to
mind the interim family systems. In this process of integration,
you're developing what an IFS they call selp enter you
as a capital less so all those parts are feeling
safe and but they're not struggling to grab your attention
or you don't have managers and buy all that jumping

(29:09):
in and because you're developing this inner resourcefulness and this
sense of integrated celf structure.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, from a lived experience. So what I found really
difficult with IFS was it was really complicated. There was
really sementy terminologies, and it was like I was losing
a lot of it and I was like, oh crap,
all I have to be I just need to be
the father to the boy here he wants to be
a little rat bag, or I need to be the
mother he to the little boy who feels really scared.
That's it. And then I just create that capacity and
like I said, we have that experience and it's always

(29:37):
relevant to me. And this is what the beauty is
where everyone I work with, everyone's experience is their own.
It's their relevancy to their own.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I think that's really important. I love that one
framework for this kind of work that I like Dan
Siegel's framework the window of tolerance. Some of us like
to call it the window of resilience, and it's the
comfort zone. It's that bandwidth a life even challenges that
we can handle in a relational way from our best self,
in other words, And when we get triggered out of
that window of tolerance, we're either getting triggered into shutting down,

(30:07):
disassociating or hyper arousal, We're getting triggered into acting out
or various rigidity behaviors. When we get triggered to up
regulated right, and basically for all of us, that shrinks
over the life side, you know, all of us with
all the bumps and bruises of life that we get into,
all kinds of avoidant mechanisms and things we avoid because
it was we got shamed for, it was embarrassing, ers fit, whatever.

(30:27):
But with trauma, it can really shrink, it can get
really small. So a lot of times one framework for
understanding is work is we're gradually reclaiming our life. We're
gradually broadening amplifying that that window of tolerance or zona resilience.
And one way to do that is to gently lean
into the discomfort, So lean into the fears and again

(30:48):
Peter Lean's work, who you reference with semantic experience and
idea of pendulating, You lean in a little bit, n
come back to that anchor of safety that you discovered
through your somatic progression. Right, you find that anchor, then
you can lean in the edges, lean back, and gradually
we can expand that and reclaim the work. So, I
know you talk about working with fear and working with
our feers, So I wanted if you could talk about

(31:10):
that part of your work, how you help people once
they have that anchor, once they have more inner resources,
that they can continue to work working with biosed fears
and things that come up.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
You know, fear is going to be the limitter in
anything that we do, right, and so the way that
I actually talk to people about sitting with their fears
and helping with their fears, it's still virtually the same process.
So yes, while titration and my pendulation is actually a
beautiful experience, sometimes the client really doesn't know how to
approach it from that space. And I'll just reference to
client recently who was using high dose SSRIs and sleeping

(31:42):
medication and all of these things and She was really
fearful about actually, you know, timing off all of us.
She knew that she had to stop. She knew that
was that had come to you know, she'd be on
them for twenty years and she was getting into it
to a lot of years. She knew that was not
going to be The ability for her to use them
going forward was really limited. But her fear was so deep.
And so the way that we work together is we

(32:04):
kept developing more deeply the anchor. We kept developing more
deeply the resource. We kept looking and as we developed
a deeper connection to safety and a deeper resource of
connection to the body. Now, this woman had lost her
husband to cancer five years previously. She had two children.
It was a sudden loss, and she'd also lost her

(32:24):
dream job in that moment as well. So not only
had she lost her husband of forty years, you know,
her closest confidant, her everything, she'd also lost the job
where she had lots of friends and everything at the
same time. So she then shut everything down to come
super she had to beat the matriarch of the family.
She never cried, she never processed, she never did any
of the things. It was so fearful all of that fish.

(32:47):
She thought that if she allowed herself to feel that
grief and go into that fearful state, that it would
never end. That that's it. Once we go, Once we
allowed those fears and that grief and that trauma to
come on, to allow it to come in, then that's
my life going forward from now on. So she suppressed it,
pushed it down, wouldn't go near the fear. And then
as she suppressed it down and as more and more

(33:08):
her human experience was saying, hey, we need to feel
this fear and allow this to come up, she would
suppress it more with higher doses and higher doses. So
when we started working together, her first experience was, I
feel really scared. I don't know where to sit, I
don't know what's going on. I can't I just can't
be here. I can't do anything. And just getting her
to sit still just in the moment was really tough,

(33:28):
and she said, I need to get off these drugs.
I need to do this, I need to do that.
She placed all of these expectations and conditions on her healing,
and she was like, but I can't go near the
fear and I can't go here. So she as you
said before, With trauma, it gets that lane of tolerancy,
that area of tolerancy, that alistatic load becomes smaller and smaller,
to the point where you can barely get out of bed.
And so I just explained to her the first talk

(33:49):
I spaed to, I said, there's nothing wrong with you.
There never was anything wrong with you. You're beautifully whole.
You've just had an experience where you believe that you're not.
And this is where we started. And then we went
back systematically through some of her experiences with her husband.
She felt connected. And then five years she hadn't cried
this one, she didn't even cry that the death of

(34:09):
her husband's funeral. The tears for two hours streamed down
her face. And then as I just held her through
that and said, all of her experiences are welcome here,
All of youers welcome here, every version of you was,
the tears came, The tears came, more tears came. Now
we worked together pretty intensively for twelve weeks. As we
developed more and more internal resources and more and more anchoring,

(34:31):
she kept saying to me, I need to take the
medicine down, I need to come off the metate and
this is what I said to her. I said, the
moment that you allow yourself to feel safe and connected,
you will not need to use those drugs as a
disassociation anymore. And literally, three weeks later, the more connected
she felt to her body, she'd come off all of
her SSRIs, three weeks after twenty years on SSRIs, she'd

(34:53):
come off all of them in a really holistic way
with you, simply just coming down slowly on her own volition.
And then three weeks after that she'd stop all of
her payments and all of her sleeping meds. Wow, amazing,
so deepening. So the process of fear doesn't look like
titration exposure therapy, and my experience actually can When you're ready,

(35:15):
you'll allow the fears to come. The fears will come,
This is the thing. But we have to create capacity
first to allow the fear to be there. And the
capacity is what as a society we do not have anymore.
We have disassociation. We have screens on our telephones, we
have you know, whatever dopamine you can put your finger on,
we have, So they're actually the capacity to sit and

(35:38):
build resiliency, build robustness. Even robustness is where I like
to lie more so than resiliency, because robustness says your whole,
you're really beautiful. Let's clude ourselves in dysregulating places consciously,
let's go, let's put ourself on the edge. Let's build
that capacity in our nervous system to hold more and
more fearful states. And we don't do that anymore as

(35:59):
a society.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
No, quite the opposite. And there's there's also a lot
about trying to create kind of bubbles of safety for
people where they won't have to deal with any challenge
as all. It's like going completely and reverse direction.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's completely the opposite direction.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, so I really love where you're sharing. You know,
this ability and agree we're not talking about exposure of
therapy here. That may be affects it in some cases.
But I think pendulating and Stephen Levine's model and other
similar work is doing it from a place of resourceness.
And you know, as I was listening to you, I
really got that our ability to lean in, if you will,

(36:33):
to what may be fearful or uncomfortable is really has
to do with the depth of the anchor. The deeper
the anchor, the more we can lean in, right, and
so by in your work of semantic aggression, by finding
these anchors that are really personal to that person there,
that person's particular experience, they go back and experience it

(36:53):
in a fully embodied way, so that experiencing it through
the body, and they have that and building those kind
of inner resources. I think in building on those and
building on those, that is what gives us the ability
to lean in further and do the work you're to say,
develop robustness. I also like that term robustness also. I
would think this gives someone begins to give one access to,

(37:14):
at least in my experience, in the depth of our
And I love what you were communicating to that client
there that you're not broken, there's nothing wrong with you,
which is absolutely the truth with all of us. There
is a lot of stuff on us our but some
level we've been hurt, we've been damaged, we've been you know,
but there is a deeper level of our being that
has never been touched by trauma. And my view it

(37:35):
is really the depth of resource and the deeper we
can go and through inner means and embodiment practices, and
there's a depth down there which is really connecting with
source on some level, and the pathway through the body
for me is the best way to get there. There
may be other experiences that allow us to connect with that,
but when we go to the body, we're connecting with source,

(37:56):
and now the body and the nervousest and remembers how
to get there rewired for access to source, and that source, well,
then allow it gives us maybe that could be the
ultimate anchor. Really, the more experience we had with that
can be the ultimate anchor which we can then relate
with the challenges of our lives and continue to grow
and evolve.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
We've just been given an experience from people who don't
know any any better themselves about their human experience as well.
So when we say, if we just say, okay, I
was giving this experience from my parents, who are also
severely traumatized from their parents, who are also severely traumatized
from their parents, you know, so on and so forth
down alone. Who does that trauma belong to? Then doesn't

(38:36):
belong to me? It's not mine. I'm actually perfect, I'm
actually absolutely connected to source, you know. And the divine
always never was. I'm always whole, always was whole, cannot
never not be whole. The deeper I connect into my
bodily experience of safety and connection. The deeper I connect
to source, the deeper and the more resiliency and the

(38:59):
more vastness and the more love and connection I feel
to everything else around me as well, it really isn't.
It isn't mutually exclusive. You know, healing and connection, connection
to everything you know. You don't just heal and then
all looking. Then this connection over here is like no,
all of a sudden, it all comes together. And then
when you can, you know, not identify with the trauma
and not identify with your experience because it was only

(39:21):
just you know, something that happened to you, from something
from somebody who didn't know better themselves, who are acting
out of their own trauma. Then actually then you don't
read solves like it just had got nothing to do
with me. This is everything for them with love, I'm
actually whole, I'm actually loved, I'm actually safe, So I'm connected.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
How do you then help people? I mean, I want
the more deeply we can connect, and I think maybe
where I'm about to ask, it just becomes natural and organic.
But at the same time, are there practices you get
people to kind of bring this kind of deeper somatic
awareness and embodiment and wholeness into their daily life, just
kind of practices they begin to integrate into their daily
life to bring it back to their relationships, back to

(40:01):
their work life, or whatever it might be.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
So, yes, everybody gets timework. Let's say the homework really
is in the beginning, it's not putting too much pressure
on yourself to always feel safe, because what will happen
sometimes in our first experience of feeling safety is then
we'll use that as another disassociation, right, right, And so
it's a really slow process of like, okay, so this week,

(40:25):
tomorrow morning, for the rest of this week, when you
have your morning coffee or your morning routine or whatever,
I just want you to remember about that memory we
just had. I just want to remember about that time
you know that you sat in the garden with your
mother and pick flowers. That's what I want you to
wake up with every morning, because you know, I know
myself that when I wake up, you know, we get
a cortersole spike. And if we've got a nervous system
that's trained to be running on cortisol and adrenaline, let's

(40:47):
just as we wake up with that Cortersole Spike. Let's
just have sit back down and let's just have that
memory of that experience with our mother in the garden
for three minutes, only three minutes. I want you to
set the climb the time or on your watch or
on your phone, and I want you to sit there
quietly with your eyes closed and just sit there with
your anchor. Where do we find in the chest? Have
your coffee, You're right hand for you, and drink your coffee.
Don't put any pressure on yourself, enjoy the moment. Let's

(41:09):
have all of it whatever, have your tea. Three minutes
only connect in every morning, right, okay? Because it's like,
if you think about it from a child's point of view,
you're the parent. You haven't been there for that child
for thirty five, forty fifty sixty years. All of a
sudden you come in and go, Hi, let's who I'm
going to help you here, to help you feel safe
that aspect of yourself, that childhood, you know, that body

(41:30):
of the experience, that child is going to go, Yeah,
I don't believe you. We've got to start slowly but
surely show up consistently every day, and we do it
in really small increments just and then the following week
it's five minutes. And then the following week after that,
I give you I record the meditation, and I get
you to do the meditation every morning or every three mornings.
And then the following week we do a longer meditation

(41:52):
with the connection with the resources in it as well,
and I get you to listen to that, and then
I get you to listen to that five times. It's
a slowly but surely consistently showing up for yourself every
morning in a really easy way. The meditation. The body
is not a body stillness meditation. We don't you know
how to sit there and lotus and be perfectly still

(42:13):
and perfect after right, No, the body's fully welcome here
if you want to scratch, move and stretch and do
all this stuff, just but just making sure you keep
your eyes closed. All aspects of you are really welcome.
Just show up every morning for three minutes, then for
five minutes, and then you know, and then we'll have
one of you know. And so when I do it
through the different weeks, we will also roll through like
safe love. When everything works out, you know, love again,

(42:36):
and so we'll just roll through all of those experiences,
you know, as we start to work, as we develop
more and more that connection to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Well, in a moment, if you're willing, I'd love to
invite you to lead us and a brief practice of
some kind, maybe five minutes or so. Well before that,
one final question, So, you had this experience practicing yoga
nidro basically this kind of body scan work there kind
of particular like really working with the fingers, and it's
very kind of detailed body scan, and then you spontaneously

(43:04):
had this memory, right, and that kind of created all
this few and changed the game for you. So when
you're coaching people and leading them to this process, I
assume you're using yoga NRA with them in some form,
and then are you just hoping they will spontaneously have
that memory or do prime it in some way? Is
there something in the guidance you're offering that you're guiding
them to be more likely to rediscover a memory like that.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
A lot of people have active aversion in the initial part.
They'll actually resist knowing that, and so if they can't,
they sit there and go, I can't remember anything. I
can't remember anything. I'm like, okay, that's fine, that's totally okay.
We don't need to go there. What about from your adolescence?
From the teenagers? Nothing there? And then finally, if we
can't get somewhere, then I'll say when was the last

(43:50):
time you felt safe? And then we'll go to the
last time and it might only be two weeks ago
with their husband or wife or whoever it was they felt.
And then we expand out. Then as we expend so
any it doesn't have to be from your this is
the experience. It doesn't have to be from your childhood.
It could literally be from a week ago. And then
if we have a visceral experience of understanding, and then
once I get you to drop in finally to the connection,

(44:13):
and then bam, we'll get one from your childhood. It'll
come in.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So they are doing yoga, you're with that kind of question,
with that inquiry when did I feel?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be lett and we can do it
right now. We'll do it seven minute one now if
you like, I'll just do a really quick one with
you and I'll show you actually the process, the abrieved
version process. You know obviously when i'd work with on
one and we go to it very much deeper space.
So if you like to, I'd be more than happy
to lead you through it. It's yep, seven minute one perfect,
let's do it, okay. I'll get you just to close
your eyes down for me, please, now, my friend, And

(44:44):
I'll just allow myself just to give myself a few
breaths because I've been talking a lot, so just allow
me to connect into my body in this moment as well.
Now whilst I'm doing that, I'll just get you to
take your awareness now just to the body, just to
the whole body, just witnessing in this moment there's any
stiffness or any not labeling it, not giving it a reason,
just witnessing it and just allowing it to be there.

(45:06):
No experience is better than the other, stiff or soft,
both are welcome. And just letting go of the body
for the moment. Now, taking your awareness to the breath,
to that wonderful easy inhalation and exhalation at the nasal passage.
Life giving requires zero effort, happens all on its own
inhalation and exhalation, witnessing the coolness of the air being

(45:28):
drawn in through the nasal passage and the warmth of
the exhalation and that same nasal passage. Witnessing the contrast
of experiences, and just paying attention to where the air
is rising, where it's accumulating in the body. Is it
in the chest, is it in the stomach, or is
it somewhere in between, Just witnessing that rise and fall

(45:51):
under the breath. And now we're just going to do
a very short body rotation. I'm going to ask you
just to bring to mind the best you can, visualize
the best you can behind the closed eye, each individual
body part that I call out, visualizing it as best
you can, as I said, and dropping it the moment
I call out the next individual body part, starting with
the right hand index finger, middle finger, ring finger, pinky finger, thumb,

(46:17):
back of the hand, palm of the hand, wrist, elbow form,
upper arm pit, right side of the rib cage, the
right waist, the right hip, sitting bone, thigh, hamstring, back
of the knee, front of the knee, the knee, cap, chin, calf, muscle, ankle, heel,

(46:41):
arch of the right foot, top of the right foot,
ball of the right foot, big toe, second toe, third toe,
fourth toe, and the right foot pinky toe. Awareness in
the whole right side of the body. Awareness in the
whole right side of the body, dropping the right side

(47:02):
and coming over the left hand index finger, middle finger,
ring finger, pinky finger, thumb, back of the hand, palm
of the head, wrist, forearm, elbow, upper arm, armpit, left
side of the rip cage, the left waist, hip, sitting bone, thigh, hamstring,

(47:28):
back of the knee, front of the knee, the knee, cap, shin, calf, muscle, ankle, heel,
arch of the left foot, top of the left foot,
ball of the left foot, pinky toe, fourth toe, third toe,
second toe, and the left foot big toe. Awareness in

(47:50):
the whole left side of the body. Fleet the whole
left side of the body, taking you away now to
the base of the neck, the shoulders, the upper back,
the collar bones, the chest, shoulder blades, the solar plexus,

(48:11):
middle of the back, lower back, stomach, pelvis, and the
coctis bone at the base of the spine. Awareness in
the whole torso, fleet, the whole torso, awenness in the
whole right side, the whole left side, the whole torso,

(48:33):
and now the whole body fleet. Awareness at the whole body,
keeping your awareness at the body and just witnessing the
breast and again witnessing in the body the rise and
the fall of the wonderful inhalation and exhalation, witnessing the
softness of the breast, coolness of the inhalation, warmth of

(48:54):
the exhalation. Now, in this moment, Fleet, I just want
you to bring to mind, in this moment, and in
this moment last time you can recall feeling loved, feeling
like with your eyes closed now just recalling the very
first time you've felt loved. And now, if you think
you have an experience whilst keeping your eyes closed and
keeping your awareness on your body, can you share that

(49:16):
experience of love with me in this moment.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
The last experience was in the embrace of my wife
just today. The early is experience that came up for
me was just in the presence really of my grandfather.
In the presence of my grandfather, it was just something
about feeling a total acceptance. It wasn't so much like

(49:38):
a warm embrace love, just a total acceptance for who
I was and wherever I am, And there was just
no agenda about me being a anyone other than who
I was, So just this feeling of total acceptance.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
You weren't required to be anyone other than Fleet Mall
as a little boy, and the love of that man.
You think of your grandfather in this moment. Is there
somewhere in your body right now that you can feel
that love from your grandfather, feel that warmth of the
love of just the acceptance. Can you feel that acceptance?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, I think I feel it primarily in the whole area.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And so now I want you to take your right
hand for me, please and place it directly over your heart.
Thank you holding it to your heart. And now I
just want you to bring to mind the memory of
your grandfather. I want you to start to witness the
warmth of the hand as it starts to enter that heart,
spaces into the chest cavity, feeling the whole chest now

(50:39):
starting to expand with the warmth and the memory of
the acceptance of your grandfather and the love of your grandfather.
In that moment, you weren't required to be anything more
than who you are, and that felt so loving. And
now I just want you to feel that warmth. Now
start to radiate into the back, to the middle of
the back. Now start radiate to the left side of

(51:02):
the chest, left side of the rib cage now and
now feel the right side of that rib cage. You
start to feel it starts to rise up to the
upper chest, into the bottom of the collar bones, now
to the armpits, into the shoulder blades, hol upper part
of your torso warmth and connected to the memory of

(51:25):
your loving grandfather, to the safety and love of that experience.
And now I'm just going to leave you quietly for
one minute, Fleet, to allow any other memories to rise
in this moment, knowing full world too that there's no
other memories that need to be here starting now one minute, heykay, Fleet,
I'd like you just to remove your hand now for me, please,
placing it back down onto your body, letting go with

(51:49):
the memory of your grandfather in this moment, holding the
warmth in your body though, and in your own time,
and take as long as you need you can open
your eyes and join us back on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Thank you, Thank you very much. It was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
That is a very abbreviated version of what we would take.
I would take you much that I would take that
experience right round your body. We would deepen into the experience.
I would ask you more questions. It was a really
quickly young and Nindra style. It was a lot more,
much more of a breast side. That was a very
short version.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
So yeah, no, I get that, but it's a good introduction.
I really get it. Yeah, that's wonderful. Thank you so
much for offering that.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
That's okay. How did you feel? How do you feel?
I could see the light smile starts to arise on
your own.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So wonderful. I've known my entire life. Relationship with my
grandfather was really a resource for me, and I spent
a lot of time with him when I was very young.
He had a farm and he worked in the city
where I lived, but he also had a farm he
went to on weekend. So I spent a lot of
my weekends with him. And you know, like, you know,
your parents were trying to get you grow up right,
so my parents were it was all, you know. But
he was just like so non judgmental, and he would,

(52:51):
you know, he told me to he'd put me on
his lap, have me drive the car the last couple
of miles to the farm. You know, he helped private
actor ride a horse Dalton saying, and always he would
just show here, try this, and you'd go away. And
he'd let me, you know, he had such a gentle
way of introducing me as things and helping me learn
skills that it's always been a tremendous resource in my life.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Now, what a wonderful experience. So you can call on
that memory and see how And this is where we
change it up in this experience as we actually recall
how it feels you feel it in your heart. Hey,
sleep with that. And now when you have a cup
of tea or whatever you do this afternoon or tomorrow morning,
when you go and hang out with your grandfather in
the shared in the workshop, you know, in the barn
an afternoon, or back on the trap, you know, and

(53:32):
these are the things that start to really bring us
back into our body and connect us back to our
human experience, connect us back to source. Is these memories
of connection and love.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Wow, beautiful or peutiful or sime memory. Thank you so
much for the amazing work that you do.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Oh no, you're more than welcome for you please, I'm
very very honored to be a part of your process.
And thank you so much for inviting me on. Yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Where can people find out more about your work.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
So you can just go to my web page Simon
Emery dot com. That's s I A for Adam M
O n E M for Mark E r y dot
com and you can just book a scroll down to
the bottom of the page and you can book a
free thirty minute call. We can have a longer form
chat about your experience.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Wonderful. Thank you so much, Be well, Thank you flick
fun Now, thank you for joining me on the Radical
Responsibility Podcast. Remember, real change happens when we commit to
our growth, face our challenges with compassion, and stay open
to transformation. If you found this episode helpful, I encourage
you to subscribe and help us spread the message of
healing and personal empowerment. Stay grounded, stay present, and stay

(54:39):
true to you. Take care

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