February 12, 2025 • 44 mins
Greg, John and Rich talk about the music that shaped their lives. They discussed early musical influences, defining musical moments in their lives, as well as the genres and artists that define them today.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Raw and Refine. Welcome to our next episode of Raw
and Refine. The Gentleman's out Here we talk about issues
affecting men. Any topic is open for discussion and for
an intro, we will always toast the conversation with the beverage,
because that's what gentlemen did.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
GK, how about it? Get us ready? So with that,
so our beverage today is the Bubbly. So this particular
Bubbly is actually Champagne, and it's m Haslinger and Fee
and as you know Champagne. Order for it to be
technically Champagne, it has to be from a particular.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Region in France.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And so this particular Champagne is special because I get
it from Benny's and it's always on sale. The Benny's
down the street, down the street for me, always has
this on sale. It's like normally a fairly expensive bottle
of champagne, but they always have it on sale, and
they always have it cold. So I get this particular one,
(01:10):
so I'm going to open it. So this is the Bubbly.
Try to do this without there there you go, without
myself in the.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Electronics, right right.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
But I've come to really like champagne because it's refreshing,
and it's not overly too much not too much alcohol
in it, so you can sip it during the day.
So em haslinger and fee champagne. So toast two to
my guys. And champagne is good. It's good for you. Okay,
it's not good for you, but it's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We could do it, right, We could do a yep,
a great selection, my brother.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
So I swear I'm drinking bubbly even though I've got
it in this year.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is bubbly.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And here you got you gotta have. You gotta have
a special glass for your champagne.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That's right, That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Cross purchases for like two dollars. Okay, so that's the
that's the refined part, right, Yeah, you got the wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Go to ross glass, right, we have champagne glasses.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I just you know, grip my usual. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, I'll do better for the I'll do better for
the next one. Make sure I have an appropriate container
for the for the befforence.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So nothing I think goes better with nice drink than music, right,
And you know, there's something about the way in which
music and a nice sip of something goes together. That
you know, I certainly enjoy and you know, it's music
for me. You know, it's like everything, and it's a
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very It changes my mood, it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Enhances a feeling that I have.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know, it's one of the few things that you
can actually find myself going back to when I first
heard a song, even if I was nine or ten
years old, I can remember what it felt like to
hear that song. Music is one of the few things.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That are like that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Movies and all other types of art don't do that,
but music you can actually place yourself back in that.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Space when you man first heard a song. So you know,
music is everything.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, music, Music is universal. I think that's what we're
saying with this as well, is that studies even show
how music can truly be a calming effect for people
and stressful times as well. But it's something that transcends cultures, race, people, sex, gender,
whatever that is. Music can always be present and good
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and and not so times. So I'm with you GK
on that that there are times when I hear a
song that brings me back to a certain space and
time as well, and that you know, it's just remarkable
because I may not have thought about that song for years,
you know, but yet I hear it and it's like,
oh man, and then I'm right back to whatever that
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moment was that associated it with. I agree, the love
of music has always been there, and looking forward to
our conversation today as it relates to that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So let's talk a little bit about our personal music journey.
I think what's interesting for me is I think where
I'm going to spend a little time today is kind
of talking about my old man a little bit, and
I think such a big, a big part of I
guess teaching me to love music.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
That love of music came.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
From being in that house where music was a constant.
And not only was music a constant, my father was
a was a you know, he was an audio file,
a true music love that was embedded in us. So,
you know, we'll talk more about that, but I think
that's a big chunk of my influences is Ray Holloway.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, Yeah, I completely agreed.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know, while I didn't grow up in the same
house as my biological dad, it was the experience, you know,
first of all, music just in my family overall. Grew
up in a family full of preachers and going to
church and being in the choirs just what we did.
But music became a thing for me. Going to visit
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my daddy when he come picked me up, I remember
because he was an audio file like your dad, He'd
always had the best sound in his car, and so
just the drive from Maywood to the South Side, even now,
I can feel certain songs just from that experience going
to his house. He always had the best records everywhere,
and I remember it was like a special moment when
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he let me play his record player. It was like,
oh big, I'm big enough now where he let me
touches equipment, you know. So, yeah, my Pops is definitely
a big influence because you would have everything from the
Beatles to like everything, and so very much influenced. Again,
even though I didn't grow up in the house with him,
I had that it was this mythological figure that exposed
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me to so many things.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, for me, it's a little bit different. Y'all know
that I didn't really have that father figure in my life.
But my mom, what she listened to was really what
I listened to and got to appreciate and enjoy. And
then it was my influence of those around me. So
like you, brothers. You know how you brought music into
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things that we were doing back in the day. It
helped me learn more about different aspects of music. So,
I know, we'll get a little bit more into that
later on in our conversation, But my journey was more
appreciating what others around me were listening to and then
me developing an appreciation for that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Calm on that one, but yes, well, a critical moment
for me was when folks got cable. I think I
was probably like in sixth seventh grade we got cable.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So what that meant was you had MTV.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And so like, I know, that influenced me a lot
in terms of what I hear and breed. Michael Jackson days.
So you know back then with all white music like you,
we after Michael Jackson and Thriller, right, but.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Expanded that what we listened to though really because it
was you know, because of what we were watching too, right,
The videos were sucking us in and the next thing,
you know, we were we were singing along with all
kinds of stuff, you know, rock and pop that we
weren't otherwise gonna you know, would have listened to.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Make.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So let's jump into some of our early musical influences.
So for me, it's I'm going to talk about what
music was playing in the house growing up. You know
that was you know, it's a lot like what you
were saying, Greg that you know, my old man listened
to literally all genres of music, you know, so growing
up there would be country playing in the house.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
There was always jazz playing, you know.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Jazz was probably the soundtrack to a lot of my
early days growing up.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was jazz.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
My old man listened to to, you know, a lot
of you know, the standards that you know catch you
think of in terms of bebop back in the day.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
But his collection was extensive, and so that drew me
in there.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
So I would say the music that was playing in
the house, it was a lot of jazz, but it
was really a lot of everything. And the reason that
I'm into it that I was so into hip hop,
you know, and you guys knew that early on, was
because of my old man. What was playing in the house,
you know, that was that was the new thing, right
and so my old man was always going to be
on top of the new thing. We had those classic
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joints in the house, you know, when they were you know,
he would come home with the albums and we were
playing those. So you know, I grew up early hip
hop early. You know, Curtis Blow, these are the breaks,
all of that stuff way back in mo Man brought
that into the house. So a favorite artist or genre
for me, probably, I would say I would have to
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say hip hop because that's what it became. But it's
genesis was back then because of you know, my man
bringing you know, Planet Rock into the house, you know,
and stuff like that when we were surety, So that
was that was cool for me, John, What what about you?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Man? I could truly feel like I could pass my
musical journey through Motole. My mom loves Smoky Robinson, Smoking
Man always playing in the background, so groove into that.
R and B was always my thing. I admit that.
You know, we didn't have many different influences at that point.
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And then hit high school, so you know, here we
are brother the Provisos High School. I would say, pretty
diverse population of folks, you know, in our high school
and again especially in our class. Yeah that's when, like
you said, Greg about the cable and MTV, But that's
where I started learning about this other music pop you know,
rock things like that, and I'm like, what's this? But
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yet it was grooving, you know what I'm saying, So
getting into that and everything. And then came house music,
and that was just phenomenal to me. Man, I was like,
what is this sound that you know, just just gets
the body moving. Even to this day, I'm still put
the house on. I'm good, I'm happy and everything. And
then it was the hip hop. So like with Rid
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and GK, you were kind of in it, but I
think Rich was probably a little more in it. Oh
before We Gotta you know, started hitting it, and that's
when I started appreciating rapping hip hop. From there, went
on the Howard and that's where I started learning about jazz. So,
you know, again not really had too much influence up
to that point. Cats over there they were, you know,
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putting all some jazz and stuff like that. I'm like,
what is this. So I'm like, oh my gosh, o god,
you know, like I could to this. But they're realizing
how jazz was actually so influential in all those other
genres I was just speaking of as well. I'm like,
oh my god. So just opening up from there as well.
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And then of course some country kind of got in
there from time to time. And now, you know, I
can't say I have that that one truly favorite artist.
Of course, I appreciated Michael Jackson and Prince New Edition.
You know, these are folks that I grew up throughout
the years listening to and still appreciate to this day.
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But I just throw on whatever I'm feeling at that point,
and that's that's what I'm grooving too. So I can't
say I have quote that number one favorite artist, but.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, general, what about the first concert experience? What was
your first concert experience?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
My first was remember what we used to have Summer
Summerfest out in the Chicago area, So that was my
first experience, was going on to a Summer Beest concert.
And I want to say, I think Patty LaBelle was there.
I want to say Mays was there. I can't remember
any other groups at this moment that were there, but
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I remember those two and my biggest, like biggest artist concert, Prince.
I went to a Prince concert, which was absolutely amazing.
That dude, godly.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, I saw Prince in the small in the small setting,
it was dope, Yeah, go ahead, GK.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well for me, like first of all shout out the
Holloway like for real, like you know hip hop. You
was the cat that was like like I grew up with.
I would sleep with the radio, right, so I knew
the popular We wouldn't even call rap like I could.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I could like recite rappers delight today.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I could, I could recite the message right to that,
to that today because they were such popular songs. And
as a person who would like literally sleep with the radio,
I knew those songs.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
But I was not into to hip hop that much
at all.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But Holloway was like run dmc hell who day, Like
what is this nooying? Like you know, yeah, because I
was in the house music right, like house right was
my thing right And it really wasn't until you know,
going to Iowa that I started, really and I always
tell people it was the Big Daddy Cane, long lived,
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the Cane that made me think of hip hop as
an art form. And that's nineteen you know. It was
him and Daylight. I saw eighty eight eighty like that
That's when I thought of hip hop as an art
form as a culture, even because up to then it
was just like the hit songs you knew, but it
was daylight. Of course krs BDP was doing their thing,
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But it was not until Big Daddy came at Daylight
that I start I saw myself in this art form
like I could relate to it. You know, we were
drinking forty ounces and stuff like that, right. But so music,
to me, it really captures a moment in time, like
your evolution as a human, like as a as a
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growing person. So all these influences really started to impact me.
You know, growing up in a house where gospel music
was played all the time, right, and then it morphed
into sort of house music. And then I'm also listening
to you know, New Order and like, you know, all
of this stuff. And then of course jazz, you know,
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because that's what my dad mostly played. And then his dad,
you know, had he had all the eight track tapes
all around. So for me, coming like from Maywood and
then coming to Woodlawn on the South Side, it was
just like going to my grandpa's house and there's eight
tracks everywhere and he's playing like, you know, Sonny Stitch Jinge,
Ammon's jazz, and it's like the Chicago sound.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
What sticks with you now from from your early days,
from your early years what's still what songs? What still
music or artist still resonates with you today from that
time period.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh, it's still.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's still the sort of the big saxophone sound, very
very Chicago, like somebody playing tenor. And then it's always
got to be some woman singing like soulfully right, like that's.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
In my head and thinke then to the that's the
automatic place you go when.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Some usually some sisters singing like soulfully like it's my
it's like you know now.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That that of course leads us to a whole another
podcast because now I think I understand what GK comes
from M because some of those choices and women.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
But you're opening opening, opening windows and getting explanation too,
you know, to questions that you've been pondering for for decades.
That is a whole other one. So we're gonna we're
gonna move on to the next question here. Let's kind
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of talk about defining musical moments for each of us,
you know, those pivotal musical moments and in our lives.
And so for me, a song album or a concert
that was a game changer for me.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Wow, that's it, Okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Concert that was a game changer with I'm gonna go
with Gil Scott Hearing.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I was I was Campagne. You've talked about that.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, I'm down in Champagne. So I'm in law school.
There's this spot called a Blind Pig. That's the name
of this little hole in the wall spot, and they
would have all kinds of you know, live artists and
gilscot Hearing. This is the late nineties, I mean I
mean early nineties. Excuse me, let's is ninety two, ninety
three something in there. He was a regular at the
Blind Pig and it was just incredible to see and
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hear him live.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
The brother was you know, he was a master of
the intoxicans, right, so you know it was you know,
pain and toxic.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Champagne was the city. We were in.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
University of Illinois campus. But he wasn't he wasn't he
wasn't drinking Champagne. He was drinking so much much and
who knows what else he was doing. The brother's physical
dexterity was incredible. While he was on stage. It didn't
matter how much he consumed.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
The moment it was over, he needed help getting off stage,
but just to hear him live and to see him
do all of those songs that we grew up hearing
in the way in the background, you know, it was
the revolution was somewhere in the background for our for
our age group in terms of his music, But just
to get to hear him live was incredible. I'll say
that the album that probably is real pivotal for me
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is Is Bitch Is Bru. That's probably the That's probably
the album I've listened to most in my life. Shot
A's first album would be second in line, because I
listened to Day every night. That was my go to
sleep music my freshman year in college, and it was
so funny. I had a white roommate, Eric Vandergraff. It
got to the point that he couldn't go to sleep
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if I didn't put on Shata because.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I played it every night.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
But Bitches Brew I probably was a song I played
the most while I was in college, maybe like junior
senior year. That song is embedded in my brain from
having listened to it so much and slept to it,
so you know, I could probably probably.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Had a lot of weird dreams along the way because
that crept it to your subconscious. Yeah, it did to me.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
But yeah, so it's definitely shaped me as a person
on some levels. I probably don't know, but John, what's
your personal connection to music?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
A tough man.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I got you here, actually, and I'll say that I
will say that probably the most influential has been house
music for me because it let me know how much
I love to dance. It allows you to just dance
and just enjoy the rhythm to beat, you know, the sound.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
It's okay, one of these years, man, one of the
I know, brother, you know, one of these years when
it's not falling on your anniversary weekend because they moved
it away from the fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
So you've gotta make it. You've got that's pilgrimage moment
for house music.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, got to you, right, got.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Come here together and do it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, you got it. I got so. I gotta find
out when that is this upcoming summer.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
We don't, We'll get it to you already.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, okay, that should be real cool and we Yeah,
I gotta make that that, like you said, make that
trip to the to the house Mecher right there. Now,
you know, before I got to college, there's a song
that will always live with me forever and it's kissed
by friends, and there's there's a story behind that one
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Brus that all I say is that it will just
live with me forever. Okay, but man changed my world
on some things.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
We'll leave it at that. And with college man, you know,
at Howard DC, the sound called Go Go Go, I mean,
you know, go Go was like what is this? And
again I'll say that version of what I'll call what
we were doing in Chicago house. It was all about
the music, it was all about dance, it's all about
expression and things. So you know, it was just a
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natural for me to appreciate that as well. So you know,
I'll say that those are probably my major kind of
influences that still stick with me today.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So so GK a question for you.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But first, John, July thirteenth is the date of the
Chosen Few Music Festival this year, thirteenth, So that's that's
a little distance away from the anniversary, So yeah, or
you know, or convinced the missis to add that to
the end of the anniversary trip. You know, we swing
through Chicago on our way, baby, whatever you gotta do.
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But yeah, it's on the thirteenth this year, so GK
major major decision or mindset a time when music influenced
a major decision or mindset for you.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
That happens all I have to say.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I can't think of a single one, but it happens
all all the time. Like so one of the things
in my role is like I gotta almost put on
a game face.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Sometimes people get a little nervous.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You're not really sure what's going to happen, so you
have to kind of like get yourself pumped up. And
so that happens all the time. And usually that's going
to be like now, it's going to be like probably
some Wu Tang, or it's going to be like some
Black Moon.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It's gonna be like some mid nineties hip hop.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And it's a funny thing about me and music now,
like I don't I don't really do background music, like
I listen with intention. It's a weird thing that's happening
where I don't you come to my house people think, oh,
you've always got music, not really like if I'm with intention,
Like I listen with intention, right, And so I got to.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Be actually you're sing the music as opposed to it's
just floating on around you.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, I respect people to do. They gotta have
me but music going on around and that's cool. But
for me, I'm always listening with intention for something and
so if it's worth something, I'm I'm going to need
to get like geeked up and fired up.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And so it's usually usually hip hop that does that
for me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But if I want to be more sort of laid
back and chill, believe it or not, it's not jazz.
Jazz is a whole nother thing, but it's usually like
early eighties R and B. So one of my favorite
all time groups is Atlantic Guitar. So I'm going to
play like some you know, silver Shadow brings me to
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a certain place of nostalgia that like warms my heart
being like this eleven twelve year old kid or something.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And so yeah, so I don't have a single thing.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But to the earlier question, most recently it was in
terms of concerts that impacted me. It is the Angelo
and it was nineteen ninety six and it was the
Angelo Brown Sugar Tour, and mine still blown off of
that concert still blows. It's like it was like a
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gospel show, R and B soul and like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah, nice, so real quick around the horn to around
the table, all three of us. How has music helped
to shape your perspectives? I'll say the obviously the love
of hip hop, you know, artists and group like Cares One,
you know, Public Enemy have done a lot to help
shape some of my perspectives as it relates to you know,
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society and culture and politics and and and race and
and and things like that. I think has definitely helped
to shape my perspective. But then, like you mentioned earlier, John,
and I think one of it will always you know,
is uh, the love of artistry and music and so
somebody like Prince like one of my all time favorite
songs is a Door and and you know that that's
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such a beautiful you know the song. You know, So
that that I guess the different sides of me music.
What about you, John, I think DK.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Kind of hit on a little bit. So I don't
know if I'm at the point where I'm into the
consumption as you put it. I like how you said
that rich about the consumption as well of music. I
think I still like the feeling that I have or
experience with music, and sometimes I can go back and
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really listen to what lyrics are being said and be like, oh, dang,
I ain't realized I was grooving to that, but you know,
it was more of the beat rhythm melody that I
was into. But it depends sometimes, you know, if I'm
into my cleaning mode, then I gotta have some background,
you know, to that, And mostly surprisingly that's like the
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nineties kind of songs like Shady and Little John and
all of that kind of stuff is what I want
to hear when I'm doing that. But if I'm intent,
like studying or something like that, then I'm putting on
some jazz or classical type music to have as my
background influence there. But I love my pop R and B.
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Always gonna love my R and B music that's out there.
And then when I just I just want to move
or like I'm going out for my exercise routine or something,
that's where my house and stuff comes in because that's
what gets me moving and get that adrenaline going for
me as well. Man, So it all depends. It depends
on where I'm at and what's going on as to
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you know, really what I'm looking for at that moment.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Well, how is music helped shape your perspectives? GK? Yeah,
it's hard to overestimate how much it influenced.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like, so one of the cats I'm really digging now
is a bad Bunny. Right, So my Spanish is terrible
and almost pretty much non existent, but you can hear
the soul and a bad Bunny, especially the newer stuff
like reggae Dron I got mixed feelings about. But the
stuff that he came out with, it's like, Yo, when
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I first went to Jamaica for the first time, right,
it was like I can feel it's like the heat
and the humidity, but you can also hear and feel,
Like in this moment, I can remember what it felt
like hearing Beanie Man right, like in Jamaica, like in
the air. It's like in the air, the same thing,
like soul music, house music, whatever. It's like you can feel.
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It's like something you can touch and feel and taste
and you can like feel it in your skin. But
you know, I think at the end of the day,
it's like culture, and it's especially Black folks, it's our
culture who we are. It is what makes us different
from people on the planet. It's like we just of
a rhythm and a soul to music that people try
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to emulate, but we just kind of got the secret
sauce of and so I try to go even some
weird stuff, like I try to get as beat as
I can.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That was me as a kid, get into the weirdest
jazz artist you could.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So Sunrod, that's my guy, right, like weird out there
like planetary stuff like this, Like that's just you know
who I am, because I think it helps me make
sense of the world.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Before you get to that next one brought us uping
to made me think about is that you know, is
there is there any music the genre that you just
notice that you shy away from that you don't necessarily
you know, be like, hey, this one is kind of
at my lower.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
List, not to say it's you know what it is,
but I don't do a lot of pop hit it Okay,
I don't do a lot of pop music.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I mean, you know because at this point I rarely
listen to the radio, you know, because you know the radio,
you know, they play the same five songs, you know,
fifteen times a day on the real tight rotation. And
I don't know who you got to know to get
your song to be in one of.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Those rotations, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, I rarely ever listen to the radio, and I
used to have satellite, but it was a whole It
is a million stations of mess, you know, and only
a couple that I like. So I tend to do
more the stream and stuff and just you know, curate
what I want to hear. So the challenge with that
is staying on what's new, because I might miss out
(28:59):
on on some of the new stuff because you know,
I gotta figure I got to hear it from somewhere. So,
you know, I tend to go into friends playlists, you know,
you know, I get influences from friends, you know, like
for instance, you know Greg here, he always drops for
something that he likes. He'll put it on Facebook or something.
It might be some kind of YouTube or something. It
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might be something from forty years ago. It might be
something new, you know that's still you know, just because
I've never heard before.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know, it's new to me.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
It could be something that's twenty years old that's new
to me, and it's still expanding what I'm listening to.
But yeah, pop music probably is what I don't listen
too much, and don't I don't seek out country, but
I don't not like country so there's country I'll listen to,
but it's not something that I actively seek out.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I guess you would say, wow, I'm moved. I'm with
you on the country part.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
But the other thing, I've said this to people when
they are actually surprised when I say it, because I know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'm not really a fan of the blues, like you know,
as much as.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I like jazz, I understand the historical importance of the blues,
but I've never been I've never and being from Chicago,
why you're not gonna like the blues?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
But it's not the thing that I go But I
go for right the last Chicagos that don't like house music.
So you know, yeah, okay, the blues is never.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's probably your story behind some analytical thing that needs
to happen to break down why I don't like the blues.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
But I'm not a big blues not a big blues fan,
you know.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But one thing I want to say before we get
out of here, though, is as much as we're talking
about music in a positive way, I think that we
need to not us, but just as a culture, as
a society, need to start talking about music as a
negative thing. Right, Like if it's possible for me to
think about music when I was like a song at
(30:45):
five years old giving me a sense of excitement and
joy and feeling good. Is it possible that a song
of music could actually engender the opposite feeling?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is it possible that culture is actually driving negativity? Like,
I'm sorry to think so, because a lot of the
newer stuff, it's all they get. It's a drum beat
of garbage, right.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They don't have it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
They don't even have options, you know, as much as
we did. You could choose to like hip hop, you
could choose like but now. But although I feel like
there's a transition happening. So a lot of younger artists,
like Doci, like these young people like understand the history
and want to counter program against a lot of the
negative stuff that's out there that are bombarded with. So anyway,
(31:32):
I just feel like about that's a very important point.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
But you know, one of the things you said that
I would kind of disagree with a little bit is
when you suggest that the young people now don't have
as many options.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I would say, in one respect, they've got they've.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Got everything they've got, Plus they've got all of our
history years ago, the ability the streaming, the YouTube, all
of the things that are out there, you know, everything
that pretty much every music that's been made is available
in some form somewhere. And so you guys, how many
young people that are historic young historians, They are young
researchers that you know, really love and DJs and get
(32:06):
into it and they're and they're going back and finding
and and that. So I think you know that there's
that possibility and that kind of looks at So this
last or this last section that I want us to
kind of talk about today is what kind of defines
us right now?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
For me?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
How have my taste evolved? What still stays the same?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Are kind of I think a lot of my musical
tastes have have stayed the same because, like for what
you were saying, Gregor about a lot of one of
the things that we have to be mindful of is
not getting stuck and getting rooted in what we did
like and allow ourselves to evolve. And so I'm trying
to force myself to listen to more of today's music.
Let's not being real successful. You know a lot of
(32:47):
it I turned away from fairly quickly. But I don't
want to close my mind off to what's out there
and what could be. What still stays the same for
me is you know, I mean, those things that I've
loved before, I'm still gonna love.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I have.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
My right now is dominated by one playlist. It's called
my cardio playlist. And that's because I work out every
other day, and so this is my playlist that I
use when I work out, because it goes, it goes up, down,
it travels along. It's got peaks and valleys and things
to get you real hype. It's got, of course gk
number of rubber room joints on there because of that
(33:22):
high level energy. Other than that, I have a playlist
that's called my Alice Coltrane play It's a it's a
very short playlist of three songs that I put on
a continuous rotation.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
That's my walking music.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Whenever I go out and i'm walking in the park
and I'm being one with nature, I've got my Alice
coletrained on.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Those are kind of my constants. So that's what's the same.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But in terms of the evolution of my musical taste,
it is I'm trying to do that now. I'm trying
to get outside of my normal box. And you know,
they say we die sooner. The more things that we
keep constant in our lives, the quicker we die.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We want to keep tra do stuff, learning new stuff,
doing new stuff to keep our bodies changing and adapting,
in our brain active. So you know, I want to
do more of that, John, who are your favorite artists
albums for it?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Right now? And why? But right now I'm with you
on that one, Rick, I'm actually I've got my playlist
as well, and mine. I have a new smooth tunes
that I've developed. I've got my rock Creek Park, which
is kind of my seventies eighties kind of jams. And
I've got my jazz so again, still trying to evolve
(34:33):
into the to the man the boom of jazz music
that's out there as well, and just understanding that. Man,
I love that. What is so interesting is that music
is an evolution as well. I think for us we
are we are truly an enigma and all of this.
(34:56):
Our parents, grandparents only had a certain kind of music.
We've been able to love that music, develop our newer music,
hip hop, house, go go what that looks like, and
yet now appreciate this two thousand, you know kind of
music that's coming out there. Our kids, they're able to
(35:16):
get some of that influence. So you know, we put
on or whatever. They grooving in the background, even though
they don't want to say they grooving in the background,
but they are. But they still got what they have
going on as well. So I just think we're that
generation that's been able to truly try to encompass all
of this that's going on, man, And I love it.
(35:38):
I just love that there's so many opportunities and possibilities.
But you're right, Rich, I mean, what you guys might
have heard fifteen years ago, it's going to be new
to me because I didn't hear it or understand it
at that time. So I love when folks put up
some new sounds and stuff because I'm like, you there too, Rich,
I'm like, let me go check that out. Especially GK.
We're putting up some stuff. I'm like, what the heck
(35:59):
is this? Hey? I got talking about?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I got it.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I got a new old sound for you that you
may not have heard. And this one is courtesy of GK.
And this is a cat that you know, his heyday
was fifty years ago, but GK saw him last year
or so ago, sitting up on stage while his son
was leading his leading his group Cat that You'll Love
Ebo Taylor Taylor, e b e Bo Taylor, this cat
(36:26):
everything that, everything that you hear, Like if you got
like I don't know if you've got Apple Music or Spotify,
you know, but like Apple music has essentials for different people.
If you just pull down the Ebo Taylor essentials and
as you're listening to it, you're gonna be like, damn,
this movie, this, this music is fifty years old. It's like, yeah,
there ain't nothing new about it, but it's gonna be
new to you. But it's it's just he's just so cool,
(36:48):
just so cool. You know, he's a West African, so
you're talking about African jazz. So that's, you know, another
interesting one. But just to throw one out there, you
were saying something that you haven't so in a while,
so GK Man, So one thing I say, I kind
of misspoke a little bit. I was not implying that
young folks don't have options. They got to like what's mainstream.
I guess I should have been more precise in what
(37:09):
I was saying.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
There is so much great music out here now is
kind of crazy, like young people doing like there's a
focus on Kendrick Lamar right in a way, But what
people don't talk about is Kendrick Lamar is part of
this real, this collective in LA, these young kind of
goofy talented like weird old black kids in LA. Like
(37:34):
you can name the list Tyler, the creator the band
called the Internet, Kamasi Washington at least, like they're all
doing different kinds of stuff, but it's all really freaking
interesting music. Definitely far more options out there, but then
at the same time, we're still rediscovering people like Ebo Taylor. Right,
there's a band out now, it's on tour now called
(37:56):
Sign Made and they actually are London. Band was doing
funk music back in the early seventies and if I
played a song for you would know it right away.
Like there's different little versions of their songs. Anyway, they
came back together and they're recording again, and like they're
poor and so it feels like some of it is
(38:16):
like tenth up things from COVID. But this is way
too much music out there to be like stuck in
the past, because so many young people doing exciting things,
but they're bringing me old stuff along with them too.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, And the technology is making it such that you know,
anybody with it. You know, if you've got an iPhone,
you've got a full studio right there, and you know,
the different tools that are available now make it such
that you know, anybody can create music just about anywhere,
and then you can push it out there, you know,
really easily, just like we started doing this podcast recorder
(38:51):
edited and put it out there. You can you know,
you can go on Spotify right now if you type
in raw and refined, we pop up.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So it's the availability. The technology has changed it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I just hope that the music industry doesn't employer, doesn't
destroy itself. I think it's a quoting yeah. Yeah. One
of the challenges of streaming, right, I can.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Stream them.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Challenging. It's the greed of the It's the greed of
the people at the top. Because, Yeah, one of the
things about streaming is is you know anything digital. Right,
We've got a trail. It's easy to see how many
streams the music is and all of that. It comes
down to the division of or the allocation of the money.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well, the good news, like you could have a billion
streams and you make five thousand dollars. But the good
news is that the younger folks and the artist the
savvy artists are going back to making vinyl.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
They're figuring that out. They're making So you go buy a.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Vinyl record twenty dollars, then you're actually gonna make some
money as.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Opposed a fraction of a cent right from one stream
right so or so, you know, you don't see them everywhere,
but CD players still abound.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
No, you can still just you can still burn CDs,
you know, or whatever. You know, in terms of trying
to sell that music in other ways, or you know,
there are some of those other those other services out
there that allow artists to sell their music directly, like
a band camp for instance, is something that comes to mind.
You know, artists can go on there, they can sell
(40:27):
their music directly to their consumers. They can set the
price for it, you know, and things like that. So yeah,
ways for us to get the sound we want to
hear out it all being destroyed by the money hungry,
greedy music industry. I think we need to start closing
it up for today. Each person that's so, John, give
any key takeaways from your musical journey or anything you
(40:51):
want to share from what you've been listening to lately.
Is there a song you want to share with us
today and an artist you want us to check out
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Not yet, Like I said, I'm still kind of seeing
what that looks like sounds like for me, because you know,
like you, it's a little different. I think from what
I hear from you guys, is that you really get
into the digestion of the music. I'm not quite there yet.
I love, like I said, the sound and the melody,
the rhythm and what I feel with it, but I
(41:22):
haven't gotten quote into the well. I don't even say
the essence of what all of that is yet. But
you know, like Anthony Hamilton is one of those cats
that Deil brings up you know something with me as well,
that sound, his sound is uniqueness. Of course, North Carolina
probably hear more of him as well. Carolina, right, right, right,
(41:43):
exactly exactly right. It's been a minute things, man, So
I just think I love that there are so many
different fastest and aspects of music that I've field have
touched our lives and have touched us. Things that we
have in common that we love and enjoy, but yet
(42:06):
we also have our individual music that we still appreciate
and can appreciate that as well, because without being connected
to others, is going to be hard to learn about
new music out there. Is because you tend to get
into your groove sometimes to be able to hear something
different help spark something different from you as well.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
So, yeah, that's what I get.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Out of it.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
GK, Yeah, I completely agree with you, Like there's a
way in which music is. It's always telling a story
and it can be uplifting, it can be setting, you know,
and one of those dudes who want music to have
some impact on it, I got to feel.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It if you will.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
And moment we're in as a country, I think about
music all the time. What is it that I need
to get me through a particular period. A lot of
it's nostalgia like I felt this way back in the day,
and also trying to not just be nostalgic, like what's
the next thing? Was the fresh up, particularly younger folks
(43:06):
are doing, Like how can I relate to it? What's
the energy going towards? So it's to me, music is
the one thing that allows us all to kind of participate.
It's the thing that keeps me moving most days.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Well, we want to thank our listeners for listening with
us today, going along on this podcast journey. Appreciate you guys.
If you're consuming this and you like what you heard,
hit us with the comment, leave a reply.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Let us know what if you don't like to blame Holloway. Yeah,
you know that's fair.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
That's fair, you know, but you know, let us know
what you know about your own your musical influence. But
you love to hear. If you've got an artist you
want to suggest to us, you know we'd love to
hear it. Thanks again, This was Ron refined a gentleman's hour,
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Raw and Refine. Welcome to our next episode of Raw
and Refine. The Gentleman's out Here we talk about issues
affecting men. Any topic is open for discussion and for
an intro, we will always toast the conversation with the beverage,
because that's what gentlemen did.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
GK, how about it? Get us ready? So with that,
so our beverage today is the Bubbly. So this particular
Bubbly is actually Champagne, and it's m Haslinger and Fee
and as you know Champagne. Order for it to be
technically Champagne, it has to be from a particular.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Region in France.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And so this particular Champagne is special because I get
it from Benny's and it's always on sale. The Benny's
down the street, down the street for me, always has
this on sale. It's like normally a fairly expensive bottle
of champagne, but they always have it on sale, and
they always have it cold. So I get this particular one,
(01:10):
so I'm going to open it. So this is the Bubbly.
Try to do this without there there you go, without
myself in the.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Electronics, right right.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
But I've come to really like champagne because it's refreshing,
and it's not overly too much not too much alcohol
in it, so you can sip it during the day.
So em haslinger and fee champagne. So toast two to
my guys. And champagne is good. It's good for you. Okay,
it's not good for you, but it's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We could do it, right, We could do a yep,
a great selection, my brother.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
So I swear I'm drinking bubbly even though I've got
it in this year.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is bubbly.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And here you got you gotta have. You gotta have
a special glass for your champagne.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That's right, That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Cross purchases for like two dollars. Okay, so that's the
that's the refined part, right, Yeah, you got the wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Go to ross glass, right, we have champagne glasses.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I just you know, grip my usual. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, I'll do better for the I'll do better for
the next one. Make sure I have an appropriate container
for the for the befforence.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So nothing I think goes better with nice drink than music, right,
And you know, there's something about the way in which
music and a nice sip of something goes together. That
you know, I certainly enjoy and you know, it's music
for me. You know, it's like everything, and it's a
(03:02):
very It changes my mood, it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Enhances a feeling that I have.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know, it's one of the few things that you
can actually find myself going back to when I first
heard a song, even if I was nine or ten
years old, I can remember what it felt like to
hear that song. Music is one of the few things.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That are like that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Movies and all other types of art don't do that,
but music you can actually place yourself back in that.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Space when you man first heard a song. So you know,
music is everything.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, music, Music is universal. I think that's what we're
saying with this as well, is that studies even show
how music can truly be a calming effect for people
and stressful times as well. But it's something that transcends cultures, race, people, sex, gender,
whatever that is. Music can always be present and good
(03:58):
and and not so times. So I'm with you GK
on that that there are times when I hear a
song that brings me back to a certain space and
time as well, and that you know, it's just remarkable
because I may not have thought about that song for years,
you know, but yet I hear it and it's like,
oh man, and then I'm right back to whatever that
(04:19):
moment was that associated it with. I agree, the love
of music has always been there, and looking forward to
our conversation today as it relates to that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So let's talk a little bit about our personal music journey.
I think what's interesting for me is I think where
I'm going to spend a little time today is kind
of talking about my old man a little bit, and
I think such a big, a big part of I
guess teaching me to love music.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
That love of music came.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
From being in that house where music was a constant.
And not only was music a constant, my father was
a was a you know, he was an audio file,
a true music love that was embedded in us. So,
you know, we'll talk more about that, but I think
that's a big chunk of my influences is Ray Holloway.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, Yeah, I completely agreed.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know, while I didn't grow up in the same
house as my biological dad, it was the experience, you know,
first of all, music just in my family overall. Grew
up in a family full of preachers and going to
church and being in the choirs just what we did.
But music became a thing for me. Going to visit
(05:31):
my daddy when he come picked me up, I remember
because he was an audio file like your dad, He'd
always had the best sound in his car, and so
just the drive from Maywood to the South Side, even now,
I can feel certain songs just from that experience going
to his house. He always had the best records everywhere,
and I remember it was like a special moment when
(05:53):
he let me play his record player. It was like,
oh big, I'm big enough now where he let me
touches equipment, you know. So, yeah, my Pops is definitely
a big influence because you would have everything from the
Beatles to like everything, and so very much influenced. Again,
even though I didn't grow up in the house with him,
I had that it was this mythological figure that exposed
(06:16):
me to so many things.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, for me, it's a little bit different. Y'all know
that I didn't really have that father figure in my life.
But my mom, what she listened to was really what
I listened to and got to appreciate and enjoy. And
then it was my influence of those around me. So
like you, brothers. You know how you brought music into
(06:40):
things that we were doing back in the day. It
helped me learn more about different aspects of music. So,
I know, we'll get a little bit more into that
later on in our conversation, But my journey was more
appreciating what others around me were listening to and then
me developing an appreciation for that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Calm on that one, but yes, well, a critical moment
for me was when folks got cable. I think I
was probably like in sixth seventh grade we got cable.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So what that meant was you had MTV.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And so like, I know, that influenced me a lot
in terms of what I hear and breed. Michael Jackson days.
So you know back then with all white music like you,
we after Michael Jackson and Thriller, right, but.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Expanded that what we listened to though really because it
was you know, because of what we were watching too, right,
The videos were sucking us in and the next thing,
you know, we were we were singing along with all
kinds of stuff, you know, rock and pop that we
weren't otherwise gonna you know, would have listened to.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Make.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So let's jump into some of our early musical influences.
So for me, it's I'm going to talk about what
music was playing in the house growing up. You know
that was you know, it's a lot like what you
were saying, Greg that you know, my old man listened
to literally all genres of music, you know, so growing
up there would be country playing in the house.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
There was always jazz playing, you know.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Jazz was probably the soundtrack to a lot of my
early days growing up.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was jazz.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
My old man listened to to, you know, a lot
of you know, the standards that you know catch you
think of in terms of bebop back in the day.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
But his collection was extensive, and so that drew me
in there.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
So I would say the music that was playing in
the house, it was a lot of jazz, but it
was really a lot of everything. And the reason that
I'm into it that I was so into hip hop,
you know, and you guys knew that early on, was
because of my old man. What was playing in the house,
you know, that was that was the new thing, right
and so my old man was always going to be
on top of the new thing. We had those classic
(08:47):
joints in the house, you know, when they were you know,
he would come home with the albums and we were
playing those. So you know, I grew up early hip
hop early. You know, Curtis Blow, these are the breaks,
all of that stuff way back in mo Man brought
that into the house. So a favorite artist or genre
for me, probably, I would say I would have to
(09:08):
say hip hop because that's what it became. But it's
genesis was back then because of you know, my man
bringing you know, Planet Rock into the house, you know,
and stuff like that when we were surety, So that
was that was cool for me, John, What what about you?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Man? I could truly feel like I could pass my
musical journey through Motole. My mom loves Smoky Robinson, Smoking
Man always playing in the background, so groove into that.
R and B was always my thing. I admit that.
You know, we didn't have many different influences at that point.
(09:45):
And then hit high school, so you know, here we
are brother the Provisos High School. I would say, pretty
diverse population of folks, you know, in our high school
and again especially in our class. Yeah that's when, like
you said, Greg about the cable and MTV, But that's
where I started learning about this other music pop you know,
rock things like that, and I'm like, what's this? But
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yet it was grooving, you know what I'm saying, So
getting into that and everything. And then came house music,
and that was just phenomenal to me. Man, I was like,
what is this sound that you know, just just gets
the body moving. Even to this day, I'm still put
the house on. I'm good, I'm happy and everything. And
then it was the hip hop. So like with Rid
(10:28):
and GK, you were kind of in it, but I
think Rich was probably a little more in it. Oh
before We Gotta you know, started hitting it, and that's
when I started appreciating rapping hip hop. From there, went
on the Howard and that's where I started learning about jazz. So,
you know, again not really had too much influence up
to that point. Cats over there they were, you know,
(10:51):
putting all some jazz and stuff like that. I'm like,
what is this. So I'm like, oh my gosh, o god,
you know, like I could to this. But they're realizing
how jazz was actually so influential in all those other
genres I was just speaking of as well. I'm like,
oh my god. So just opening up from there as well.
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And then of course some country kind of got in
there from time to time. And now, you know, I
can't say I have that that one truly favorite artist.
Of course, I appreciated Michael Jackson and Prince New Edition.
You know, these are folks that I grew up throughout
the years listening to and still appreciate to this day.
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But I just throw on whatever I'm feeling at that point,
and that's that's what I'm grooving too. So I can't
say I have quote that number one favorite artist, but.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, general, what about the first concert experience? What was
your first concert experience?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
My first was remember what we used to have Summer
Summerfest out in the Chicago area, So that was my
first experience, was going on to a Summer Beest concert.
And I want to say, I think Patty LaBelle was there.
I want to say Mays was there. I can't remember
any other groups at this moment that were there, but
(12:11):
I remember those two and my biggest, like biggest artist concert, Prince.
I went to a Prince concert, which was absolutely amazing.
That dude, godly.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, I saw Prince in the small in the small setting,
it was dope, Yeah, go ahead, GK.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well for me, like first of all shout out the
Holloway like for real, like you know hip hop. You
was the cat that was like like I grew up with.
I would sleep with the radio, right, so I knew
the popular We wouldn't even call rap like I could.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I could like recite rappers delight today.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I could, I could recite the message right to that,
to that today because they were such popular songs. And
as a person who would like literally sleep with the radio,
I knew those songs.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
But I was not into to hip hop that much
at all.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But Holloway was like run dmc hell who day, Like
what is this nooying? Like you know, yeah, because I
was in the house music right, like house right was
my thing right And it really wasn't until you know,
going to Iowa that I started, really and I always
tell people it was the Big Daddy Cane, long lived,
(13:31):
the Cane that made me think of hip hop as
an art form. And that's nineteen you know. It was
him and Daylight. I saw eighty eight eighty like that
That's when I thought of hip hop as an art
form as a culture, even because up to then it
was just like the hit songs you knew, but it
was daylight. Of course krs BDP was doing their thing,
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But it was not until Big Daddy came at Daylight
that I start I saw myself in this art form
like I could relate to it. You know, we were
drinking forty ounces and stuff like that, right. But so music,
to me, it really captures a moment in time, like
your evolution as a human, like as a as a
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growing person. So all these influences really started to impact me.
You know, growing up in a house where gospel music
was played all the time, right, and then it morphed
into sort of house music. And then I'm also listening
to you know, New Order and like, you know, all
of this stuff. And then of course jazz, you know,
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because that's what my dad mostly played. And then his dad,
you know, had he had all the eight track tapes
all around. So for me, coming like from Maywood and
then coming to Woodlawn on the South Side, it was
just like going to my grandpa's house and there's eight
tracks everywhere and he's playing like, you know, Sonny Stitch Jinge,
Ammon's jazz, and it's like the Chicago sound.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
What sticks with you now from from your early days,
from your early years what's still what songs? What still
music or artist still resonates with you today from that
time period.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh, it's still.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's still the sort of the big saxophone sound, very
very Chicago, like somebody playing tenor. And then it's always
got to be some woman singing like soulfully right, like that's.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
In my head and thinke then to the that's the
automatic place you go when.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Some usually some sisters singing like soulfully like it's my
it's like you know now.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That that of course leads us to a whole another
podcast because now I think I understand what GK comes
from M because some of those choices and women.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
But you're opening opening, opening windows and getting explanation too,
you know, to questions that you've been pondering for for decades.
That is a whole other one. So we're gonna we're
gonna move on to the next question here. Let's kind
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of talk about defining musical moments for each of us,
you know, those pivotal musical moments and in our lives.
And so for me, a song album or a concert
that was a game changer for me.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Wow, that's it, Okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Concert that was a game changer with I'm gonna go
with Gil Scott Hearing.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I was I was Campagne. You've talked about that.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, I'm down in Champagne. So I'm in law school.
There's this spot called a Blind Pig. That's the name
of this little hole in the wall spot, and they
would have all kinds of you know, live artists and
gilscot Hearing. This is the late nineties, I mean I
mean early nineties. Excuse me, let's is ninety two, ninety
three something in there. He was a regular at the
Blind Pig and it was just incredible to see and
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hear him live.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
The brother was you know, he was a master of
the intoxicans, right, so you know it was you know,
pain and toxic.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Champagne was the city. We were in.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
University of Illinois campus. But he wasn't he wasn't he
wasn't drinking Champagne. He was drinking so much much and
who knows what else he was doing. The brother's physical
dexterity was incredible. While he was on stage. It didn't
matter how much he consumed.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
The moment it was over, he needed help getting off stage,
but just to hear him live and to see him
do all of those songs that we grew up hearing
in the way in the background, you know, it was
the revolution was somewhere in the background for our for
our age group in terms of his music, But just
to get to hear him live was incredible. I'll say
that the album that probably is real pivotal for me
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is Is Bitch Is Bru. That's probably the That's probably
the album I've listened to most in my life. Shot
A's first album would be second in line, because I
listened to Day every night. That was my go to
sleep music my freshman year in college, and it was
so funny. I had a white roommate, Eric Vandergraff. It
got to the point that he couldn't go to sleep
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if I didn't put on Shata because.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I played it every night.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
But Bitches Brew I probably was a song I played
the most while I was in college, maybe like junior
senior year. That song is embedded in my brain from
having listened to it so much and slept to it,
so you know, I could probably probably.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Had a lot of weird dreams along the way because
that crept it to your subconscious. Yeah, it did to me.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
But yeah, so it's definitely shaped me as a person
on some levels. I probably don't know, but John, what's
your personal connection to music?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
A tough man.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I got you here, actually, and I'll say that I
will say that probably the most influential has been house
music for me because it let me know how much
I love to dance. It allows you to just dance
and just enjoy the rhythm to beat, you know, the sound.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
It's okay, one of these years, man, one of the
I know, brother, you know, one of these years when
it's not falling on your anniversary weekend because they moved
it away from the fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
So you've gotta make it. You've got that's pilgrimage moment
for house music.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, got to you, right, got.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Come here together and do it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, you got it. I got so. I gotta find
out when that is this upcoming summer.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
We don't, We'll get it to you already.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, okay, that should be real cool and we Yeah,
I gotta make that that, like you said, make that
trip to the to the house Mecher right there. Now,
you know, before I got to college, there's a song
that will always live with me forever and it's kissed
by friends, and there's there's a story behind that one
(20:04):
Brus that all I say is that it will just
live with me forever. Okay, but man changed my world
on some things.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
We'll leave it at that. And with college man, you know,
at Howard DC, the sound called Go Go Go, I mean,
you know, go Go was like what is this? And
again I'll say that version of what I'll call what
we were doing in Chicago house. It was all about
the music, it was all about dance, it's all about
expression and things. So you know, it was just a
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natural for me to appreciate that as well. So you know,
I'll say that those are probably my major kind of
influences that still stick with me today.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So so GK a question for you.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But first, John, July thirteenth is the date of the
Chosen Few Music Festival this year, thirteenth, So that's that's
a little distance away from the anniversary, So yeah, or
you know, or convinced the missis to add that to
the end of the anniversary trip. You know, we swing
through Chicago on our way, baby, whatever you gotta do.
(21:14):
But yeah, it's on the thirteenth this year, so GK
major major decision or mindset a time when music influenced
a major decision or mindset for you.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
That happens all I have to say.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I can't think of a single one, but it happens
all all the time. Like so one of the things
in my role is like I gotta almost put on
a game face.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Sometimes people get a little nervous.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You're not really sure what's going to happen, so you
have to kind of like get yourself pumped up. And
so that happens all the time. And usually that's going
to be like now, it's going to be like probably
some Wu Tang, or it's going to be like some
Black Moon.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It's gonna be like some mid nineties hip hop.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And it's a funny thing about me and music now,
like I don't I don't really do background music, like
I listen with intention. It's a weird thing that's happening
where I don't you come to my house people think, oh,
you've always got music, not really like if I'm with intention,
Like I listen with intention, right, And so I got to.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Be actually you're sing the music as opposed to it's
just floating on around you.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, I respect people to do. They gotta have
me but music going on around and that's cool. But
for me, I'm always listening with intention for something and
so if it's worth something, I'm I'm going to need
to get like geeked up and fired up.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And so it's usually usually hip hop that does that
for me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But if I want to be more sort of laid
back and chill, believe it or not, it's not jazz.
Jazz is a whole nother thing, but it's usually like
early eighties R and B. So one of my favorite
all time groups is Atlantic Guitar. So I'm going to
play like some you know, silver Shadow brings me to
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a certain place of nostalgia that like warms my heart
being like this eleven twelve year old kid or something.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And so yeah, so I don't have a single thing.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But to the earlier question, most recently it was in
terms of concerts that impacted me. It is the Angelo
and it was nineteen ninety six and it was the
Angelo Brown Sugar Tour, and mine still blown off of
that concert still blows. It's like it was like a
(23:40):
gospel show, R and B soul and like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah, nice, so real quick around the horn to around
the table, all three of us. How has music helped
to shape your perspectives? I'll say the obviously the love
of hip hop, you know, artists and group like Cares One,
you know, Public Enemy have done a lot to help
shape some of my perspectives as it relates to you know,
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society and culture and politics and and and race and
and and things like that. I think has definitely helped
to shape my perspective. But then, like you mentioned earlier, John,
and I think one of it will always you know,
is uh, the love of artistry and music and so
somebody like Prince like one of my all time favorite
songs is a Door and and you know that that's
(24:31):
such a beautiful you know the song. You know, So
that that I guess the different sides of me music.
What about you, John, I think DK.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Kind of hit on a little bit. So I don't
know if I'm at the point where I'm into the
consumption as you put it. I like how you said
that rich about the consumption as well of music. I
think I still like the feeling that I have or
experience with music, and sometimes I can go back and
(25:04):
really listen to what lyrics are being said and be like, oh, dang,
I ain't realized I was grooving to that, but you know,
it was more of the beat rhythm melody that I
was into. But it depends sometimes, you know, if I'm
into my cleaning mode, then I gotta have some background,
you know, to that, And mostly surprisingly that's like the
(25:25):
nineties kind of songs like Shady and Little John and
all of that kind of stuff is what I want
to hear when I'm doing that. But if I'm intent,
like studying or something like that, then I'm putting on
some jazz or classical type music to have as my
background influence there. But I love my pop R and B.
(25:46):
Always gonna love my R and B music that's out there.
And then when I just I just want to move
or like I'm going out for my exercise routine or something,
that's where my house and stuff comes in because that's
what gets me moving and get that adrenaline going for
me as well. Man, So it all depends. It depends
on where I'm at and what's going on as to
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you know, really what I'm looking for at that moment.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Well, how is music helped shape your perspectives? GK? Yeah,
it's hard to overestimate how much it influenced.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like, so one of the cats I'm really digging now
is a bad Bunny. Right, So my Spanish is terrible
and almost pretty much non existent, but you can hear
the soul and a bad Bunny, especially the newer stuff
like reggae Dron I got mixed feelings about. But the
stuff that he came out with, it's like, Yo, when
(26:43):
I first went to Jamaica for the first time, right,
it was like I can feel it's like the heat
and the humidity, but you can also hear and feel,
Like in this moment, I can remember what it felt
like hearing Beanie Man right, like in Jamaica, like in
the air. It's like in the air, the same thing,
like soul music, house music, whatever. It's like you can feel.
(27:06):
It's like something you can touch and feel and taste
and you can like feel it in your skin. But
you know, I think at the end of the day,
it's like culture, and it's especially Black folks, it's our
culture who we are. It is what makes us different
from people on the planet. It's like we just of
a rhythm and a soul to music that people try
(27:27):
to emulate, but we just kind of got the secret
sauce of and so I try to go even some
weird stuff, like I try to get as beat as
I can.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That was me as a kid, get into the weirdest
jazz artist you could.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So Sunrod, that's my guy, right, like weird out there
like planetary stuff like this, Like that's just you know
who I am, because I think it helps me make
sense of the world.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Before you get to that next one brought us uping
to made me think about is that you know, is
there is there any music the genre that you just
notice that you shy away from that you don't necessarily
you know, be like, hey, this one is kind of
at my lower.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
List, not to say it's you know what it is,
but I don't do a lot of pop hit it Okay,
I don't do a lot of pop music.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I mean, you know because at this point I rarely
listen to the radio, you know, because you know the radio,
you know, they play the same five songs, you know,
fifteen times a day on the real tight rotation. And
I don't know who you got to know to get
your song to be in one of.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Those rotations, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, I rarely ever listen to the radio, and I
used to have satellite, but it was a whole It
is a million stations of mess, you know, and only
a couple that I like. So I tend to do
more the stream and stuff and just you know, curate
what I want to hear. So the challenge with that
is staying on what's new, because I might miss out
(28:59):
on on some of the new stuff because you know,
I gotta figure I got to hear it from somewhere. So,
you know, I tend to go into friends playlists, you know,
you know, I get influences from friends, you know, like
for instance, you know Greg here, he always drops for
something that he likes. He'll put it on Facebook or something.
It might be some kind of YouTube or something. It
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might be something from forty years ago. It might be
something new, you know that's still you know, just because
I've never heard before.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know, it's new to me.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
It could be something that's twenty years old that's new
to me, and it's still expanding what I'm listening to.
But yeah, pop music probably is what I don't listen
too much, and don't I don't seek out country, but
I don't not like country so there's country I'll listen to,
but it's not something that I actively seek out.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I guess you would say, wow, I'm moved. I'm with
you on the country part.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
But the other thing, I've said this to people when
they are actually surprised when I say it, because I know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'm not really a fan of the blues, like you know,
as much as.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I like jazz, I understand the historical importance of the blues,
but I've never been I've never and being from Chicago,
why you're not gonna like the blues?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
But it's not the thing that I go But I
go for right the last Chicagos that don't like house music.
So you know, yeah, okay, the blues is never.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's probably your story behind some analytical thing that needs
to happen to break down why I don't like the blues.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
But I'm not a big blues not a big blues fan,
you know.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But one thing I want to say before we get
out of here, though, is as much as we're talking
about music in a positive way, I think that we
need to not us, but just as a culture, as
a society, need to start talking about music as a
negative thing. Right, Like if it's possible for me to
think about music when I was like a song at
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five years old giving me a sense of excitement and
joy and feeling good. Is it possible that a song
of music could actually engender the opposite feeling?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is it possible that culture is actually driving negativity? Like,
I'm sorry to think so, because a lot of the
newer stuff, it's all they get. It's a drum beat
of garbage, right.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They don't have it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
They don't even have options, you know, as much as
we did. You could choose to like hip hop, you
could choose like but now. But although I feel like
there's a transition happening. So a lot of younger artists,
like Doci, like these young people like understand the history
and want to counter program against a lot of the
negative stuff that's out there that are bombarded with. So anyway,
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I just feel like about that's a very important point.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
But you know, one of the things you said that
I would kind of disagree with a little bit is
when you suggest that the young people now don't have
as many options.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I would say, in one respect, they've got they've.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Got everything they've got, Plus they've got all of our
history years ago, the ability the streaming, the YouTube, all
of the things that are out there, you know, everything
that pretty much every music that's been made is available
in some form somewhere. And so you guys, how many
young people that are historic young historians, They are young
researchers that you know, really love and DJs and get
(32:06):
into it and they're and they're going back and finding
and and that. So I think you know that there's
that possibility and that kind of looks at So this
last or this last section that I want us to
kind of talk about today is what kind of defines
us right now?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
For me?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
How have my taste evolved? What still stays the same?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Are kind of I think a lot of my musical
tastes have have stayed the same because, like for what
you were saying, Gregor about a lot of one of
the things that we have to be mindful of is
not getting stuck and getting rooted in what we did
like and allow ourselves to evolve. And so I'm trying
to force myself to listen to more of today's music.
Let's not being real successful. You know a lot of
(32:47):
it I turned away from fairly quickly. But I don't
want to close my mind off to what's out there
and what could be. What still stays the same for
me is you know, I mean, those things that I've
loved before, I'm still gonna love.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I have.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
My right now is dominated by one playlist. It's called
my cardio playlist. And that's because I work out every
other day, and so this is my playlist that I
use when I work out, because it goes, it goes up, down,
it travels along. It's got peaks and valleys and things
to get you real hype. It's got, of course gk
number of rubber room joints on there because of that
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high level energy. Other than that, I have a playlist
that's called my Alice Coltrane play It's a it's a
very short playlist of three songs that I put on
a continuous rotation.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
That's my walking music.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Whenever I go out and i'm walking in the park
and I'm being one with nature, I've got my Alice
coletrained on.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Those are kind of my constants. So that's what's the same.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But in terms of the evolution of my musical taste,
it is I'm trying to do that now. I'm trying
to get outside of my normal box. And you know,
they say we die sooner. The more things that we
keep constant in our lives, the quicker we die.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We want to keep tra do stuff, learning new stuff,
doing new stuff to keep our bodies changing and adapting,
in our brain active. So you know, I want to
do more of that, John, who are your favorite artists
albums for it?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Right now? And why? But right now I'm with you
on that one, Rick, I'm actually I've got my playlist
as well, and mine. I have a new smooth tunes
that I've developed. I've got my rock Creek Park, which
is kind of my seventies eighties kind of jams. And
I've got my jazz so again, still trying to evolve
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into the to the man the boom of jazz music
that's out there as well, and just understanding that. Man,
I love that. What is so interesting is that music
is an evolution as well. I think for us we
are we are truly an enigma and all of this.
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Our parents, grandparents only had a certain kind of music.
We've been able to love that music, develop our newer music,
hip hop, house, go go what that looks like, and
yet now appreciate this two thousand, you know kind of
music that's coming out there. Our kids, they're able to
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get some of that influence. So you know, we put
on or whatever. They grooving in the background, even though
they don't want to say they grooving in the background,
but they are. But they still got what they have
going on as well. So I just think we're that
generation that's been able to truly try to encompass all
of this that's going on, man, And I love it.
(35:38):
I just love that there's so many opportunities and possibilities.
But you're right, Rich, I mean, what you guys might
have heard fifteen years ago, it's going to be new
to me because I didn't hear it or understand it
at that time. So I love when folks put up
some new sounds and stuff because I'm like, you there too, Rich,
I'm like, let me go check that out. Especially GK.
We're putting up some stuff. I'm like, what the heck
(35:59):
is this? Hey? I got talking about?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I got it.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I got a new old sound for you that you
may not have heard. And this one is courtesy of GK.
And this is a cat that you know, his heyday
was fifty years ago, but GK saw him last year
or so ago, sitting up on stage while his son
was leading his leading his group Cat that You'll Love
Ebo Taylor Taylor, e b e Bo Taylor, this cat
(36:26):
everything that, everything that you hear, Like if you got
like I don't know if you've got Apple Music or Spotify,
you know, but like Apple music has essentials for different people.
If you just pull down the Ebo Taylor essentials and
as you're listening to it, you're gonna be like, damn,
this movie, this, this music is fifty years old. It's like, yeah,
there ain't nothing new about it, but it's gonna be
new to you. But it's it's just he's just so cool,
(36:48):
just so cool. You know, he's a West African, so
you're talking about African jazz. So that's, you know, another
interesting one. But just to throw one out there, you
were saying something that you haven't so in a while,
so GK Man, So one thing I say, I kind
of misspoke a little bit. I was not implying that
young folks don't have options. They got to like what's mainstream.
I guess I should have been more precise in what
(37:09):
I was saying.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
There is so much great music out here now is
kind of crazy, like young people doing like there's a
focus on Kendrick Lamar right in a way, But what
people don't talk about is Kendrick Lamar is part of
this real, this collective in LA, these young kind of
goofy talented like weird old black kids in LA. Like
(37:34):
you can name the list Tyler, the creator the band
called the Internet, Kamasi Washington at least, like they're all
doing different kinds of stuff, but it's all really freaking
interesting music. Definitely far more options out there, but then
at the same time, we're still rediscovering people like Ebo Taylor. Right,
there's a band out now, it's on tour now called
(37:56):
Sign Made and they actually are London. Band was doing
funk music back in the early seventies and if I
played a song for you would know it right away.
Like there's different little versions of their songs. Anyway, they
came back together and they're recording again, and like they're
poor and so it feels like some of it is
(38:16):
like tenth up things from COVID. But this is way
too much music out there to be like stuck in
the past, because so many young people doing exciting things,
but they're bringing me old stuff along with them too.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, And the technology is making it such that you know,
anybody with it. You know, if you've got an iPhone,
you've got a full studio right there, and you know,
the different tools that are available now make it such
that you know, anybody can create music just about anywhere,
and then you can push it out there, you know,
really easily, just like we started doing this podcast recorder
(38:51):
edited and put it out there. You can you know,
you can go on Spotify right now if you type
in raw and refined, we pop up.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So it's the availability. The technology has changed it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I just hope that the music industry doesn't employer, doesn't
destroy itself. I think it's a quoting yeah. Yeah. One
of the challenges of streaming, right, I can.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Stream them.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Challenging. It's the greed of the It's the greed of
the people at the top. Because, Yeah, one of the
things about streaming is is you know anything digital. Right,
We've got a trail. It's easy to see how many
streams the music is and all of that. It comes
down to the division of or the allocation of the money.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well, the good news, like you could have a billion
streams and you make five thousand dollars. But the good
news is that the younger folks and the artist the
savvy artists are going back to making vinyl.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
They're figuring that out. They're making So you go buy a.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Vinyl record twenty dollars, then you're actually gonna make some
money as.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Opposed a fraction of a cent right from one stream
right so or so, you know, you don't see them everywhere,
but CD players still abound.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
No, you can still just you can still burn CDs,
you know, or whatever. You know, in terms of trying
to sell that music in other ways, or you know,
there are some of those other those other services out
there that allow artists to sell their music directly, like
a band camp for instance, is something that comes to mind.
You know, artists can go on there, they can sell
(40:27):
their music directly to their consumers. They can set the
price for it, you know, and things like that. So yeah,
ways for us to get the sound we want to
hear out it all being destroyed by the money hungry,
greedy music industry. I think we need to start closing
it up for today. Each person that's so, John, give
any key takeaways from your musical journey or anything you
(40:51):
want to share from what you've been listening to lately.
Is there a song you want to share with us
today and an artist you want us to check out
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Not yet, Like I said, I'm still kind of seeing
what that looks like sounds like for me, because you know,
like you, it's a little different. I think from what
I hear from you guys, is that you really get
into the digestion of the music. I'm not quite there yet.
I love, like I said, the sound and the melody,
the rhythm and what I feel with it, but I
(41:22):
haven't gotten quote into the well. I don't even say
the essence of what all of that is yet. But
you know, like Anthony Hamilton is one of those cats
that Deil brings up you know something with me as well,
that sound, his sound is uniqueness. Of course, North Carolina
probably hear more of him as well. Carolina, right, right, right,
(41:43):
exactly exactly right. It's been a minute things, man, So
I just think I love that there are so many
different fastest and aspects of music that I've field have
touched our lives and have touched us. Things that we
have in common that we love and enjoy, but yet
(42:06):
we also have our individual music that we still appreciate
and can appreciate that as well, because without being connected
to others, is going to be hard to learn about
new music out there. Is because you tend to get
into your groove sometimes to be able to hear something
different help spark something different from you as well.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
So, yeah, that's what I get.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Out of it.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
GK, Yeah, I completely agree with you, Like there's a
way in which music is. It's always telling a story
and it can be uplifting, it can be setting, you know,
and one of those dudes who want music to have
some impact on it, I got to feel.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It if you will.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
And moment we're in as a country, I think about
music all the time. What is it that I need
to get me through a particular period. A lot of
it's nostalgia like I felt this way back in the day,
and also trying to not just be nostalgic, like what's
the next thing? Was the fresh up, particularly younger folks
(43:06):
are doing, Like how can I relate to it? What's
the energy going towards? So it's to me, music is
the one thing that allows us all to kind of participate.
It's the thing that keeps me moving most days.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Well, we want to thank our listeners for listening with
us today, going along on this podcast journey. Appreciate you guys.
If you're consuming this and you like what you heard,
hit us with the comment, leave a reply.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Let us know what if you don't like to blame Holloway. Yeah,
you know that's fair.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
That's fair, you know, but you know, let us know
what you know about your own your musical influence. But
you love to hear. If you've got an artist you
want to suggest to us, you know we'd love to
hear it. Thanks again, This was Ron refined a gentleman's hour,
and our hour is up. If you're enjoying what you're hearing,
(44:01):
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