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Episode Transcript

(00:11):
M hmmm, Ladies and gentlemen,welcome to an episode of Real People Off
the record. What's going on?Right across what? Right across the room?

(00:35):
We got mister Jay just Chelly,yes, sir, and we got
show what's good? All right?P Charlie rockel d the real one.
Let's go all right, pee Jay? What we got going? We got
a real good uh prize for youguys today. We gotta live in Florida.
Legend in the building. Mister Cartierfive hundred, definitely definitely what's going

(00:57):
on? How you doing? What'sgoing on? Really? Didn't do that?
Bro? What trying? What areyou trying to say? Yeah?
Look twice like I know on theshow, see what had happened? Was
see what had happened? Was Iwould go I was actually listening to Wayne
on the way on the way here, so Williams. Actually the one I

(01:26):
was watching it was Anthony mac AnthonyMackie when he was on the show,
and he was like, you gonnamake that out your sandwich? That was
the last Oh yeah, noah.He definitely That's what I wanted. I
was. That was a w maneverywhere like you want to be old school,
you guys, want to old schoolman will make me a sandwich.
That's true. That's true. SoCardier, Now you said you were in

(01:51):
the studio just a little bit.Were you recording something your old project?
I was engineering engineering, I waswinning a different job. That's what's up.
How often do you get on theengineering, um ship. I would
like twelve to sixteen hours a day? She studio Schwin, I got studio
session when I leave here, Yeah, sir um shout out your studio definitely

(02:12):
as Cardio Studios, Cardio Studio Studios. Website not yet. I got the
building like probably like two months ago. So I'm still in the process of
building, but people still come in. I'm still over shop. I'm gonna
put it on. Any links thatyou need, I'm gonna put right them
in the description for it. Allright, that's what's up. All right.
Well, we always trying to promoteand support our community, and you
know that's that's how we build up. Yes, sir so, so we're

(02:35):
safe to say you work in twelveto sixteen hours a day. Yeah.
Sometimes, and then I you know, I started now to take off certain
days for myself. I'm saying crencialhealth. I would chase so much money,
but the money on me nothing.When you died, I was for
sure what I take off a coupleof days to myself. I dedicate Sundays
to my family, and I dedicateTuesdays to my kids. So that's so

(02:59):
yeah, Like you got to keepthose mental health you got. Man,
you're going crazy with this work.Not only that. You know, bad
mental health lead to bad physical healthtoo, so you know you gotta keep
your heart healthy. You gotta stayhealthy with the mind, body and soul
truth and not just that. LikeI mean, like sometimes we might spend
so much time working we don't getto do simple things that we might love
doing, like walking on the beach, going downtown, painting, you know

(03:21):
what I'm saying, Coloring, youknow what I'm saying. It's like other
hobbies that we enjoy doing, butwe don't find the time to do it.
So I know if they make timefor everything that I love. I
know what you mean. Because noneof my girls pregnant. We've been doing
a ship like that. We're takingwalks and going to get ice cream and
random a little like I hate sayit like that, soft lovey. I

(03:42):
took my dogs on a walk throughthe eating that ship was super nice,
super nice. I'm like, damn, we walked like a mile and just
hate ice cream and chill. Itwas. It was a vibe. Definitely,
I gotta go back with my fishingrod. Actually, yeah, definitely.
Ain't that it's soft about that,Jay realtor real grown man think,
yes, sir, so twelve tosixteen hours. So that means it's it's

(04:05):
it's safe to say that you supportyour yourself and your family. You're making
a living off of music. Ohyeah, definite. And now is that
just hip hop rap or you Rand B? You do me personally?
I do. I don't have agenre. I do all type of music
as far as what I record.They come in with what they come in
with, and I just you know, I work my magic and they work

(04:26):
they magic. They both go handin hand. Yeah, that's for sure.
That's for sure. So you uh, you're a beat maker? No,
I don't make beats. I wish, yeah, I wish. Okay,
I was just about to act that. Yeah, a beat maker,
you just straight up engineer, mixand mastering. That's what you do,
yes, sir. Now you logiclogic project, that's logic. It's pretty

(04:51):
much the same. The plaguin isthe same. It's all the same.
Yeah, because I come. Icome old school. When we used to
use reason fruity Lupe, we usedto use pro tools right from the jump
and through mini mini controllers. That'sliterally what we use like back in the
day. It's a whole lot differentcompared to what we have now. Definitely,

(05:11):
I don't really use logic because Idon't do Apple too much, but
I do know that's one of thebig big staples in this current industry right
now. Now, these kids recordingoff the far right now and they kid
getting laid in the club right now. I heard us on another night,
the girl got it played. I'mlike, man, what you recorded?
I just did it off my phone. I'm like, wow, the quality.
Everything sounded good. Yeah, Iwonder how they master that too.

(05:34):
I don't know. I don't knowhow they're doing it. But there's so
many presets on these and these umapps nowadays that yeah, you know,
And I'm gonna be the first personto let y'all know, I don't care
how many presets there is. Thereain't nothing like the human ear that's gonna
make sure you sound perfect for yourtune. For your cadence, for how

(05:59):
you spit into the mic, becauseyou know the people that shouted to the
mic that's like you know meet andthe people that have a soft flow like
you know nas, you know,people like Cardier here can can balance that.
When you put that into an appand you just hit like sync or
something, it's gonna just take thevast majority of what it's supposed to sound

(06:23):
like. Yeah, so if youwant to really done properly, see my
man. But I still was amazedthough. It was crazy. Yeah,
like I said, new technology nowadays, Like I said, when I do
a lot of video stuff that thecameras, the camera phones right now are
doing. People were shooting movies withthem motherifickers. Oh yeah yeah, it's
nuts. Like because I spent tengrand on a on a camera, people

(06:44):
are recording movies on a damn phone. I'm like, what the hell that
was the commercial Back in the day. Remember when iPhone first made, like
they're really good camera. They werelike you could shoot a whole music video
whole I think basketball did. Ohyeah yeah yeah my first music video on
his first music video, but anda music video on an iPhone. And

(07:05):
that's when it just took off.I think a little Dickie did it too.
I think or he was like hedid a video on a budget,
so he shot the video on acell phone and he was like knocking on
rich people's doors like hey, yeahvideo like that. Yeah that's he did
this thing on that one little DickieMan character. Yeah. Sure, definitely

(07:28):
comedy rapper. Definitely, he's dopethough. Yeah, you got you got
any shows coming up? Um?Any promotions? Just had a show last
night, had a Jama party lastnight. I ain't leave out of six
this month? Actually at six thirtythis morning? Where was that? Out
of? It? Was that funny? It's crazy? What's the next one?

(07:49):
Is? UM at your studio?I'm actually moving studio? Sod thirteen
UM teasers and then made twenty ofI'm an Alibi, and then after the
twenty of we're actually doing an independenttour. So we're locking in all the
dates right now. Nice. Yeah, now you where you gonna travel?

(08:11):
Like I said, we're locking indates right now to be determined to Did
you always want to be an engineersound guy or you you were a rapper
at one point and you were like, you know what, there's more money
and really doing this now how ithappened, Like, um, when I
first started rapping, I wanted tobe in the studio more than the computer,

(08:33):
if that makes sense. I feltthat when I was going, you
know, people was losing my foules. Oh, I couldn't get in when
I wanted to get in. SoI the gate. You know, the
first week of me rapping, Ijust bought a studio, you know what
I'm saying. So I had torecord myself and you know, my friends
and stuff there come over and record, record, record, And then I
was like, shoot, I canmake a business out just at the same

(08:54):
time. So it's not that Iwant to just be an engineer. I
figured it was an outlet for meto steal be into the music and still,
you know saying, work on mycraft at the same time and then
help other people work on their craftat the same time. So it wasn't
just the money thing, because likeI said, I went six months in
my building, We're not making nomoney, and my builds are still paid.
So yeah, I just wanted tokeep working and keep building. That's

(09:16):
what we got to keep you know, keep uggling. Yeah, that's how
it came a DJ because I thoughtI was gonna be a wrapper at one
point, and then I put everythingdown. I just like, hold on,
we ain't getting the spins in theclub. Let me go work this
out, definitely, and then itjust took off from then. I mean
I could still rap if I reallywanted to, but yeah, money for
me was in DJ and at thatpoint, definitely. Definitely it's important as

(09:41):
an artist to be able to monetizeyour hustle. Man, Like that's something
I still struggle to this day,you know what I mean, Like I
got you know, my business,I do landscape and I'm in the sun
all day, you know what Imean. So you say your artists,
right, yeah, my artists,your sir. So you say what you
mean by a struggle, like whatyou mean, Like it's it's a struggle
trying to support the family off themusic tyche deal, you know what I
mean. Because it's like I havethat healthy balance where all right, Bill's
gotta get paid, everything gotta betaken care of. But I still gotta

(10:05):
make time to to to pay forthe studio, time to support these different
artists, you know what I mean, Like you're at the beginning level.
Sometimes you gotta pay for that slot. You know what I mean. You
gotta do all these different things,and it gets tough for a struggling artist.
You know, if you got,if you if you far in the
game, you got kids, yougot you know what, you're trying to
take care of things. That's whyI mean kids you got. I got
one and one on the way.I got four kids, and I just

(10:30):
complain about not having their own budget. You smoke, right, I damn
should do all right, So let'sjust say, right, just say about
about to give you a class.Let's just say make it. You spend
twenty five dollars a day on butright, let just say you did that,
Right's thirty days in a month.That's seven hundred and like seven hundred
seven fifty that you can accumulate.You got your own budget, you know

(10:54):
what I'm saying. So you gotseven fifty that you just accumulated if you
sacrifice, you know what I'm saying, right, And that's how I had
to sacrifice. Every time I gotthe earthe to want to smoke, I
put that twenty five in the box, and see what I'm saying, so
I could build my own budget tocome here with my own merch. It
ain't this ain't printed on it stitchedon, right, I got shoes something

(11:16):
to drop. You know what I'msaying. I want to be my own
I want to be like MASTERP.I want to have my own different story.
You know what I'm saying. Soit's what you're gonna sacrifice. Yep,
that's a real that's a real hustlementality. I was cutting yards,
Yeah, I was cutting yards.Yeah, real, what's up? Broh
Yeah? And I still get outthere and cut of the yard. It's
just humble beginnings, bro. Youknow you bumps of bruises in life,

(11:39):
you know, making making who youare today. And and one thing I
did see about your hustle in particular, I think you shared like a memory
and I was I was, youknow, I was stuck in your page
trying to get right before the interview, and you had these chains that it
looked like you were selling you weremaking back in the day. Yeah,
and it said it said you madeit. You made a decent bag flipping
these change was at high school,in high school, or it's coming out

(12:01):
of high school. But um atthe time accumulated probably probably about thirty forty
thousand but at the time when Istarted making I wasn't just making it for
free. And then once he gothid, I started charged straight out for
my first one. And then Isawd it to famous kid Brick he had
the FK and then we went morecrazier. I did his face piece.

(12:24):
I did the face from his face. After that, the value of them
pieces went up. I was ableto charge three for one, four one,
five for one, and six forone thousand for one. So it
just it just just went up,went up. But what got saturated was
people in the area, you know, monkey see Monkey do it, started

(12:45):
trying to imitate you. You hitthe crazy stories that I heard people just
trying to mimic what I was doing. So I glad that I hit it
when I hit it, and itworked for me. So so you so
you influenced kind of a movement.Definitely influenced the movement, and that got
me through Like that opened up doorsfor the music because you never know how
your music gonna get introduced. Atthat time, like you said, he

(13:09):
at DJ all the DJs wanted tocustom chain at that time, so it
was an outlet for me to meetthe DJ get them a discount on the
on the piece. They're breaking myrecord. See what I'm saying. You
use the chain is leverage. It'sa change leverage. So you know what
I'm saying. And plus life isyou got to put yourself in the leverage
where we could trade and give offdifferent stuff. You might not have money

(13:31):
for studio time, but you cutyards. I need to come cut my
house. I'm gonna get studio time. You see what I'm saying. We
just trade it without explaining that barteris something people don't know about. Without
without swapping no money. We justhandle business. And I handle a lot
of business that way. I geta lot of things done that way.
That's real entrepreneur mindset. And Ilearned the more money you show, the

(13:56):
more money people want to take fromthat. When I stopped flashing and yep,
I just downed it down and justplayed cool because let me, if
I show money on my instat onmy page or whatever. He might shoot
videos. He might only charge onehundred dollars right now. When I hit
him up, he gonna do ita little research check. Oh, I

(14:16):
can get it, not aspire forme, and he get your discount.
Now he donna shout you choice forfit. See what I'm saying. True,
Yeah, most people see I mean, I don't want to a lot
of people do it though all mypress is on my website. Clear is
that a lot of people. Youknow. On one side, I feel
that, you know, because it'slike, damn, you're gonna bust my

(14:37):
heads up. But on the otherside, I also respect the I guess,
the hustle, you know what Imean. Sometimes you know, when
you hurt you down bad, yousee the opportunity you got to try to
get the tax, you know,So I kind of get I kind of
feel for both sides. But yeah, it definitely sucks with you you're on
the opposite end of that tax becausethey know you got the bread or you
got the cloud, you know.So definitely you gotta watch out for it.
But that's that's why it's it's it'shard because so many even like bro,

(15:01):
I've got done dirty by promoters,by DJs, d you know what
I mean. I went down toMiami, was supposed to do a show
at kod I put all this bread. I think we put like three hundred
dollars on the slot, and thenit turns out we was performing at this
little bar at the pre party beforekod and then it turns out the DJ
didn't even let me on, sothey shipped everybody out on the bus,
but I was and then the promoterwas gone by that because I faded him

(15:22):
if I to see them again,But yeah, they got me, Bro.
So it's there's so many shicy peoplein this industry, Bro that,
like you said, you gotta becareful about how you flash your money because
people try to. They took advantageof media Broke at the time, barely
out of high school, nineteen yearsold, bro trying to you know,
breaks on with a with a badbudget. They just took it from me.
You know. It's one of thebiggest legal robberies things that just come

(15:45):
with being an artist. You knowwhat I'm saying. At the end of
the day, were in this waterwith sharks. There's no We're trying to
either get the next opportunity or we'lldo forever to get the next opportunity.
But what people don't do is taketime and do their own research. Like
it's an example before when it waspopping, the dude reached out to me
and say, I can get youon her for five thousand. It sounded

(16:07):
good because at this time, ittunes was a big thing and I want
to be on it, and Iwas spending pet I just did a little
bit more research. I found outI could do it for nineteen ninety nine.
Feel when I'm saying so, it'sjust doing your own research. And
another dude trying to charge with somuch money to code my own music.
Kind of codeed my own music.Now I helped artists code their music.

(16:27):
You know what I'm saying, cold, we code you music. What you
mean by that exactly? Like somepeople just go from the studio and go
straight to this joke kid and thenthat's it. They're not doing none of
the paperwork. You know what I'msaying. They're not. They're about to
school me right now. They're notasked out. They're not either be in
my So that's one of the firstthings that you need to do. Damn

(16:48):
you gotta get You want to getyour publishing because if you don't get your
publishing company, then you're missing outon another percentage of your bag, you
see what I'm saying. So,then you want to copyright your music.
You want to sound this thing mediavase illumination um it's like a list of
four different things. But I giveit to you off the show because I
got it all in my notes.But you want to make sure you do

(17:10):
all these different stuffs for could yourmusic, because I mean, and I
guess your kid autumn looking and COLDEnumbers. Then you gotta copy and paste
and put those in other places.You know what I'm saying, All those
numbers is very very important. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
not only just that, but alot of um when you when you
first said code, I wasn't Iwas thinking about that, but I wasn't

(17:32):
thinking about that. Like a lotof people don't realize that when you uh
label your music, that's and howyou put that out there, that's how
it's gonna be labeled, that's all. That's how it's gonna be labeled on
Spotify. So you gotta you know, uh strategically put that it's tracked.

(17:52):
Yeah yeah, but like a lotof people just think that just comes with
it, and a lot of engineerswon't do that because that's technically not their
thing. It'll be like, youknow, Jay just chilling, um,
what was the song? Jay?I'd uh you know whatever tea time and
then it'll just be final and that'sall it is. So now he's trying

(18:14):
to put it out there and hedoesn't realize he got to do things like
that to make sure it shows upproperly on this like for us. You
know, Tone takes care of allthat for us here as far as the
podcast, So when it goes onto iHeart, when it goes on to
Spotify, when it goes onto Audible, when it goes on to all that,

(18:34):
it's labeled properly. And then we'vegot you know, things below us,
like when you go on iTunes,I mean um or iTunes too,
but when you go on iHeart,it's it's labeled. When you look up
you know, real people off therecord, it says you might also like
because it's labeled properly on other podcaststhat you might like, you know what

(18:56):
I'm saying. So that's all apart of it too, And don't understand
that, and bro, that's that'sthat's a big thing that a lot of
people don't understand. I haven't checkedare we on iTunes yet? I haven't
checked lately. I know. Honestly, I listened a lot through I Heeart,
so you yeah, I'm pretty surewe are. I gotta check because
Title have podcasts. I'm gonna checkthat too. See if we're on Title

(19:18):
thanks Spotify our product. Yeah,we have Spotify definitely. Yeah. That
was one of the first ones.They were like, yep, we want
it because I have another podcast thatum twenty thousand listeners that that through the
same network. So that's that waslike, yep, we'll go take this
one too. Plug at one time, shameless plug. Let's go Killer Collab
podcast. Check them out, checkthem out. We do movies, movies

(19:41):
in entertainment. We have we interviewa lot of movie stars and stuff like
that on the podcast. Yeah,nobody cares come on music wise, honest,
really, I just I have movedfrom Saint Pete told so when I
came back for a break, myHomeboys is actually rapping at the time,

(20:06):
so it was like interesting to hitthem rapping. Yeah for me to take
a project back to Orlando and listento it. So when I got back
to school, was taking the Fcat. But I didn't really care about the
fcat, so I like Christians treated. So I had like two hours left,
I said, I'm a writer arout. I took it home to
my sister. She told me itwas cool, but I I took her

(20:27):
advice because you know, my sistera port. So she was like shot
with that pin so coming from uslike validation coming from jay Z a biggie.
So I just kept going with it. But then then back of my
mind, like, man, it'smy family. She might be just throwing
me out to the water. Butit came out to be good, and
I just kept with it. ButI was shot to at the same time.

(20:47):
So but I told myself, damn, I'm gonna be a rapper.
I gotta perform one day. SoI put my first show at the YMCA
Team Club. I had like glassesof hoodie on. I ain't want to
see nobody. So I'm performing andI look up, I see thee.
By the time I get to thesecond or second verse, I see the
kid's hands out like this. I'mlike, oh, yeah, I could
do this. I'm signing casts,I'm signing piece of press ticket stuff.

(21:08):
I was like, oh yeah,I'm ready. That's how high that a
lot of people will never experience becausethey're stage tractice. Yeah, you know,
and a lot of people shot stillto the day that comes to the
studio, they just even just oneevent. They sometimes people don't even want
to be stars, they just wantto vent. Yeah that's you know,
too many people that are accorded tokeep it in the vault. Keep it.

(21:30):
I'm gonna be so funky with youif I ever came to the studio,
like I get shy at first,Like I would want to be just
like if I ever came to yourstudio, I'd be like, yo,
just me and you. I don'twant nobody else there, you know whatever,
And I really only need you becauseyou're the engineer and you know you're
the sound dude. So but that'show I used to be and I'm still

(21:51):
like that to this day because Ifeel like if I say something crazy,
that's corny or you know, alot of people won't get it at first.
I might swing on them say soalso, but I also need air,
like I want somebody to be like, yeah that was fire if it
wasn't. It's just sometimes I'll bein my friends. I'm sarious, I'm
sensitive, and I'm sensitive. Onething about me. I'll go out vibes

(22:15):
and once I read people and you'relike certain things, I might stay out
the way. If I could putmy input. I know how to put
my input. But other than that, sometimes you might you want to stay
out of the way. I thinkmy first studio session, I had like
ten people. I think I wewere passing the blood of the couch,

(22:36):
so play the beat. We werelike, you know what, let's do
it. We just like the wholeI like the one on one thing.
But this was like the first time. Like I wasn't even doing music at
that time. I was just chillingwith people that were in the end of
one you spit mean I was.I was no, give me a big

(22:56):
I told you, I told youI want to do the basement type.
Yah. We moved to new studio. We're definitely doing the basement. We're
going to get big. And Iwas still in Florida that that studio would
have been back. Yeah, Iasked how many people? How many people
coming with I need no sketchy,bro, That's why I got sketchy too.

(23:18):
Yeah, and there'd be a lotof people just hanging around. Everybody
ain't working, Yeah, I ain't. Everybody all the smoking it y'all could
do that, but I'm talking.I was like thirteen fourteen, like it
was. It was dude, Likethe booth was someone's closet, you know.
We got in the house was justliterally like this. There was a
closet and there was a couch here, couch here, and that was it.

(23:41):
And then we was to just chill. Our first time recorded, we
were back in the Bronx and itwas one of my boys. He had
a set up his closet and itwas so bad. He had like a
webcam, like a like a computermic, one of those ones that looked
like a long stick. Yeah,and he had a shoe box around it
and he could have hold in theshoe box and they put like a little
strainer and it. Yeah, andthat was it, and that was I

(24:02):
wasn't even rapping back then. Itwas like more like my boys were rapping.
I just got in lay the versedown and I start rapping, probably
to like five six years later.But you know that verse was it was
terrible. Oh yeah, it wasthe first one. The first one always
is. Speaking of the first whatwas the first song that you actually freestyled
over? Do you remember the firstsong that you freestyled over? Now,

(24:23):
hold on, I need to askwhat's his definition of freestyle? O Off
the top of the dome or isit like so that I ain't no freestyle
so it's too different mh type offreestyle. Huh, that's what just spit
off the dome and just ready forthis ship. I ain't that. I
don't do that, Okay, youknow what I'm saying. But I do

(24:45):
free style my songs. Okay,but it's a punch and I build up
my songs, you know what I'msaying. So I don't even know writing
involved, but I'm am coming offthe top. But it's I'm thinking about
what I'm saying before i enter mynext bar. Yeah, so I'm writing
in my head. Yeah yeah,So you didn't have a particular song like
I know for me, um ifI ruled the world that as soon as

(25:06):
that beat came out when I waslistening with you know larn Hill, Now,
I immediately instantly just wanted this freestylebecause I thought I was back then
when I first I thought it wasa little Wayne, So I probably was
wrapping up with a lot of littleWayne beats. Yeah, like you have
a lot of little Wayne I know. Ends on this show Florida Man saying
it's a bad thing before anybody comesfrom you, I don't think. I

(25:27):
don't think anybody could just straight uphate on Little Wayne. You might have
tracks anything. Yeah, all right, So now so now that you said
that, though, so they're they'retalking about versus Little Wayne versus fifty.
Don't think fifty. You know,you don't think fifty can take him out.
We don't got enough fortress because theydon't gotta you gotta tank. They

(25:51):
gotta think that's controversial statement, right. You might you might be basing the
versus off hard rap, but I'mbasing it off like the hits on the
charts top top and let Wayne isa beat to that rap, but I'm
you know, when it comes tothe verses, he gotta you gotta have
them songs. I don't think fiftycatalogs big enough. First of all,
you're wrong. I think that's whatI think I want. I'm basing it

(26:17):
off of if like anybody can catchit on any day, because if you
don't strategically he picked those twenty songs. I don't think jay Z catalog big
enough. You know what it is. I know what it is. And
I'm just being real because I couldplay like a hundred Jay records yea,
and none of that stuff. What'sreally came from a lot of you listen

(26:41):
to him not to ride on mybighter. Listen to that, all right,
So I can't say he's the bestrapper. He's got a lot enough.
I never on this whole entire show, and we're gonna ask you in
a little bit. I've never saidjay Z was on my top five ever?
Have I a thing? We don'tworry. We're gonna get there.

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But my thing is when you're whenyou're in a versus, it's not even
about the charts, it's not aboutanything. It's about how you come with
the record that you're responding to.Whether you're first or you're responding to the
record, it depends on the orderthat you're picking in there, right,
Because everybody thought good set was gonnawash the lots false. I was one

(27:26):
of those things. I was like, this dip set got a lot of
hits, so I'm like, they'regonna But now they just got straight up
out boxing off. They have realmusic, and they looked at Corny up
there. Yeah, they gonna getit together. That's that's what that stage
pre people. They think they lookflying. That's it. No, come

(27:49):
correct, Come correct. I thinkI know a lot of my people right
now on Hallam is gonna look atme and be like, bro, what
are you doing? Hey, Ispent summers in hallm I could say stuff
like that, I had a lxRA the job. I had no issues
saying no issues saying that I didn'tthink Dipset had a shot. But a
lot of people hold on when announced, everybody thought Dipset was gonna win everybody.

(28:12):
And when I say everybody, Imean the vast majority. But because
you know, dip Set impacted theculture different. At one wanted at one
point I was winning my You knowwhat I'm saying, Like Juels, you
feel what I'm saying. So theyjust impacted the world different. Feel what
I'm saying. Far as Jada kiss, he could have took them by yourself.
You feel what I was saying.So now we go back to with

(28:34):
what I'm saying with Wayne and withWeezy and fifty it could be the same
thing. Nah, I don't.It couldn't be the same thing. So
what what twenty songs do you thinkWheezy would put me on? Let's say
five songs if you had to pickfor Wheezy, what five songs would or

(28:57):
should he put at least somewhere inthe in that twenty uh caliber versus,
And how do you think fifty wouldrespond to it? Because I don't even
I might ask this question. Okay, that's a question, and that's an
answer. Let Wayne got to giveyou because if I was to pick,

(29:18):
I'm on it picking phone my favorite, and I might be not what he
might have picked versus. So withthat answer, that's what I'm saying,
where Wheeze might pick songs that hethink is great, but at the end
of the day, the fans mightnot respond the way they might respond to
fifty songs on vice versus. Sothat's where I'm saying that that's I think

(29:40):
fifty could keep up with. Ohyeah, it's definitely not gonna be an
easy fight for anybody. It's not, you know, because a lot of
people sleep on fifty and a lotof people don't know. When this question
got asked, I had to gothrough because I got into comments and I'm
like, all right, let mesee what. And I was looking at
fifties like hits, Yeah, hegotta he got a solid amount of them,

(30:00):
Like I'm sure a lot of themdid play down here hard. Yeah,
hard. But I don't think heand and and Ken Wayne played the
songs that Gilly wrote for him oris that off limits? Man? Look,
he could play all that, canplay all that if you pay for
the verses, because they we don'tknow what song is that's true personal songs.

(30:23):
He's never he's never had a ghost, right, We don't go on.
We don't know that that's true.Person, I only know what you
tell. Yeah, that's true.And the person to keep a secret if
they pay, well, you feelwhat I'm saying. Yeah, I was
gonna. I was gonna until yousaid that, and then I was like,
yeah, I kept secrets. Iwrote some things with people and a

(30:45):
lot of people don't know. Yeah, it's true, right stuff. And
I'm not even on credit for it. Yeah, so common, unfortunately common
in this UH day and age.Gonna give me the right now, we're
not getting credit. I need everything. I need credit. Rod sent it.
Yeah, And I wish I wouldhave known the business when I was

(31:06):
younger. Boy, I'd be paidpaid. I caught it. Yeah,
So let's jump right into your topfive top fire rappers. YEA sadly to
say, as a right now,I don't have any top fire rappers ain't
even in my top five all time. It's not right now all the time.

(31:26):
That are a lot. No,just definitely you who would be on
if if Cardier had a mount Rushmoreand I noticed more than I know this,
uh for five than five mount Rushmore. But um, if Cardier had
to make a stone of five rappersand it was going outside of his crib

(31:48):
or outside the studio when people pulledup they were like, oh, so
this is what he rocks with?Who would be on those souls? I
would definitely I had Little Lauren Hill. I definitely got had TI is just
the old tire just so rubber bandman push up with the dumbbells. TI
skinny boy definitely, and then comingin to not like little Baby. And

(32:08):
then I put Kodak. Kodak shoutsout of Kodak. I've never put him
in my top five, but dversustile Kodak is gas that PG track that
he got, He got this onethought might has Touched you might touch?
Yeah, he still speaking with alot of pain too, Like bro,
the song Mightus Touch has so much, so much intelligence in it I'm missing

(32:31):
out of because I mean, Ikeep hearing code a lot of like just
a lot of like kodaks, likeon podcasting, people talking about like I'm
like, I guess you. Forme, I said, I'm right there
with you. Tone I'm listening out. It was like, yeah, I
don't, I don't know. Imoved down here from my slipping tap in

(32:52):
with him, That's all I'm saying. And for me, it took me
a long time for me to getused to the culture down here. And
I said it one time on theshow before. It took one of my
cousins to leave the Too Change TrueReligion mixtape in my car, and the
first time I heard it, Iwas like, oh, here we go.
You know, I was one ofthose New York like I only want
to hear the dipset and shit likethat. And then he put that in.
I'm like, I ain't really feelingthis, and then he left it

(33:13):
in my car, and then oneday I put it on. I'm like,
I'll call myself other to it.Then like probably my third play in,
I'm like, I know the trueyou know what I'm saying down And
that was it. Like once youstart to expose yourself to the Southern culture,
and how how how it is andand in different ways it works,
and and really coming to him withlike the lingo because it's even like it's
like a different language too. Yeah, Kodak is honestly, probably and I

(33:40):
don't know I'm gonna catch a lotof flat for saying this, but probably
one of the dopest Top three rappersthat ever came out of Florida. I
stand by, I'll die on thathill. I'm okay, I'll die like
I'm gonna have When I lived inFlorida and I was like, yeah,
I know, I think I heardlike maybe one or two songs. I

(34:01):
was hard because he want I tryto get his antics a little bit.
Like I remember one time, everytime I try to like put people on
the code that he does some dumbshit, I'm like, yo, checking
about that. And then the videocame out of him just straight up mooning
the crowd like and I'm like,oh, yeah, what you're doing,
bro? But he's like that.He's a kid's a project baby. You
know, He's just doing whatever hewants. And that's that's what I love
about Koda. He's just unapologetically Kodak. Yeah, like raw, real person,

(34:25):
you know what I'm saying, peoplelike him and Cardi b they just
roll. They really they just radiatethat authenticity and you know, don't get
that shit from from everybody. Youknow, that's true, That's true.
M hmm. I don't know.Like I said, I guess I gotta
like get it recommended, Like giveme like five Kodak songs that I gotta

(34:45):
listen to that you know, tellsme exactly send him in the group check.
Yeah, like because I want toknow, because I guess I missed
this whole fucking wave or something.Yeah, because, like I said,
I don't know, like I guessI heard something wrong songs or something.
You know he's doing again in tone? Right? What's that calling it?
Call what he's calling us? Oh? Yeah, Well man, I'm thirty,

(35:08):
so I you know, I thirty. I feel I wish I was
thirty. Wish I was thirty.I was doing when I was thirty.
I get ready to move the floorthat and I was when I was thirty.
I have a care in the world. I just I just worried about

(35:30):
ship. Anyways, let's get backto it though. So you said top
five. We got your whole five, right, you said Wayne Lauren Hill,
Kodak, Little Baby, and that'sfine. Yeah, I think now
he said somebody else it was.It was Wayne Lauren Hill, little Baby,
Kodak and Ti t I mean,I like Ti. I think he's

(36:00):
more. I like his community,like he supports community. Like here,
I'm always talking about people about communityand talking about, you know, how
they're making stuff their life better orother people's lives better. And Tai is
one of them. Nipsey hustles numberone, probably number one that I used
to get with. I don't wantto get them too much credit on the

(36:21):
community part. And I didn't meanttaking away. Yeah, but some people
go through shit and have to beforced to go that, right. I
feel like, if you're gonna takecare of community, it should have been
done. True, had to goforce down that avenue. Yeah, true,
Well a lot of people, alot of people also, I agree
with you. Yeah, but alot of people also have to go through

(36:43):
growth and being mature in order tounderstand that they need. Yeah, some
people got to get humbled. Ohyeah, he was at the age.
He was at the age to growth. Like I mean, and I don't
need to switch everything all at once, but like Lebron did, it for

(37:06):
his community out the gate, justbecause like he's always done it. And
I'm not a Lebron fan by yourmeans, he's far. He just he's
just total, like I'm putting downfrom our community. He had that instilled
in you know what i mean.Because some people raised different you know what
I'm saying, Just you know everythingwas together. Miles makes sure everything straight.

(37:31):
You know, they got a differenttype of structure. You got some
people just raising the hood. Theyain't. They used to crumb. So
when they get such a sex,I don't know how to share, even
know how to percentage, you knowwhat I'm saying. I was at the
point where I ain't no percentage andI was scared to bust down and break
down people. You know what I'msaying. Now I'm in a position where
I break down with my team becauseI'm not scared of percentage no more.

(37:52):
Because percentage it really be peanuts,you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
um, And I feel that wealways have something that we can give to
our community and something that you know, we can teach others to be successful.
And I'm a big supporter of that. You know what I mean.
You gotta feed the streets because thestreets gonna get fed one way or another.

(38:13):
Right right now, Me and myteam get back to the community all
the time, every time. Howyou party, if you don't mind me.
So maybe maybe you are a littlemature than the other people out there
period, because like for me,I've done a lot of things in my
life, and only during the pandemic. I mean I've always gave, you

(38:34):
know, here and there, butlike during the pandemic, um it really
made me tap into who I wasas far as the caring person. Because
like in New York City, meand my friends got grants because the farmers
was told to give away their cropsbecause you know, everything was all messed
up or whatever. So we gota grant. We gave out three point

(38:54):
five million pounds worth of fresh producedthroughout the five boroughs of New York City,
you know what I'm saying. Andthen from there it just kind of
it was it was like what we'retalking about being on stage. Once you
got it in you and you feltit, you were like, oh,
I'm going with this, you knowwhat I mean. Now, you know,
at any given moment, I'll comehome and tell my wife, Yo,

(39:15):
I need um I need a hundredmeals. You know, let's go
feed the people in Baltimore, becausenow I live in Maryland. You know
what I'm saying. And you knowBaltimore's crazy, crazy streets out here,
bron you know what I'm saying.So you know, now I just drop
that bug and I got that high, so to speak of giving back,
and now I won't let off thegas like I'm trying to do real estate,

(39:36):
get affordable housing out here, youknow where I could take Section eight,
make sure I'm a good landlord andall that. So I feel you
just it takes some people time,and I wish ya weren't caught on earlier.
But I'm definitely glad I caught onwhen I did catch on, and
I'm still learning too. Yeah,and I'm still going through trial that same
time. I mean, they allget we all get cuts and bruises on

(39:57):
the way up. No, definitely, So you gotta promos. Let's let's
let's take it. Let's take itto the other side of things where something
we always talk about too. Um, what is your top five culture movies?
Cultural cultural movies movies like hip hopmovies, you know, uh,
boys in the Hood, you know, uh, Menace Society, any anything

(40:22):
along those lines. What is yourwhat would be your top five movies?
And I'd probably lame if I answerthis question. I really don't got no
top five coaching movies. Really,I really don't know. He's in the
studio more than the computer. Youhere. I was about to I was
about to say this. I wasabout to be like, if you if

(40:42):
you never, if just not culturalmovies, what's what would be your top
five? No judgment? No,nothing like, what what's what movies you
have that's that that you really like, really really like? Just so just
so just so you know, weno no judgment, He's said Tarzan on
the one so the soundtrack of College, So no judgment whatever. But yeah,

(41:07):
how how hell yea? If Icould take it all the way back
one that I can remember the childat first ran King was King minutes to
Society, yep, um set itoff was fucking classic. First Friday.
I always gonna be a class FirstFriday, especially yea. But I really

(41:29):
like sometimes I'll be knowing the nameof the movie. But I really like
if I watch a movie, Ilike a lot of action movies. Yeah,
so OK, But I grew upon Steven. Okay, watch a
lot of Steven's got back there.My grandma undersea. My grandma had watching
Stevens for sure. Yeah, Ithink that the first time we ever heard

(41:51):
of of set it off being mefor that's the fact. Yeah, that's
part of my favorite. The weaponwas need the weapon. I got me
just saying think about because movies havelike influence on us, Like the movies
like very like subtly influenced a lotof things that we do in our life.

(42:12):
Oh, go ahead, like Dino, it's kind of new, but
you've seen that. No, Ihaven't seen Nah, watch that. It's
a remake of the old Dynamite.It's with Michael J. White. The
dude swore black Dude. It's notwhat it's not black Dynamite, is it.

(42:34):
I watched that thing like three timesthat day. It was just so
good. It's hard there you go. Yeah, And it was based off
a real movie. And it hassomething to do with the music industry too.
So that's why I got me aboutDan. He took his music to
making it to making movies out ofit Old Dolomite. I know that I

(42:57):
didn't see it. I watched tonight, watch the old one, the old
one, but you know the oldone. You definitely know it's a remake.
Yeah, it's um uh dude,dude, the old one he got
like it's like I think it wasseventies. Um oh man, I can't

(43:21):
remember his name on the top ofmy head, but it's it's like based
in the seventies where they had likethe big hats and like the fish,
the fish, Um, the fishup. Um that's the that's the way.
The old one was like comedy rap, like funny rap, like comed
I'm gone out. It was funny. Eat'll watch that sex out. I've

(43:50):
been looking for new movies to watch. Definitely, I don't know, but
like like that, the movies actuallyinfluence a lot of things that that we
do effectively in lives, like especiallywith music, like we mentioned Belly on
this on this podcast many times.Um, there's a lot of different movies,
like sports movies they actually influenced,like right now, like basketball we
were talking about. Um, youknow, we talked about space jam on

(44:14):
the first show and then how lebronAnd has an effect on a lot of
things. I don't admit that spacejam to exists, but right you know,
it was not as bad as Isee it. I see we've been

(44:34):
to I've never even been to thatstudio, and I know, tone just
wants to smack you inside your headevery time. It's like the New House
Party, like stop stop, theNew House Party wasn't bad. I'm going
out to say that it wasn't bad. I mean, I don't They probably
could have named it anything out ofthe House party. It wasn't bad.
It was just I could watch itagain. And that's how I judge a

(44:57):
movie, whether or not I couldwatch it again. It's how I I
can't even take it seriously right now, the way I even watched this though,
I don't know. I've been watchinglike series lately, like good when
I when I do get sit down. So I did get stuck on the
series All American. I don't knowif y'all see now about the football.
All American is dope. It's dope. So that I definitely learned some values

(45:20):
and you know how I changed mylife and how to cheat my friends and
stuff like that, like even howto cheat my family. So yes,
it's like life short. People canbe gone, like that's a fact.
Well, you see a lot ofthings that you know we're watching movies and
TV shows. We learned about differentlifestyles that we wouldn't normally be a privy
too, because we won't don't knowhow the other people live on the other

(45:42):
side, like like I don't knowhow a lot of people live in Texas,
but you know, like through moviesand stuff like that, you're able
to see like the different mindsets anddifferent like um, you know, different
values that they have, like youknow, farmers and all that stuff.
Like I'm not a farmer. Idon't know anybody that farms, but you
know what I've seen, I've seenpeople or I've seen movies that they have
those experiences, and I have anidea of like how hard they work and

(46:07):
like, and I have an appreciationfor that. That's how we learned about
having the appreciation for other people indifferent crafts and different ideals and different religions
and different you know, different musicgenres like just like not not just speaking
of rap, but there's also youknow country singers that you know been through
trials and tribulations too, Like they'vebeen through a lot of ship You can

(46:28):
hit any mute, it's the same, yeah countries. Yeah, they talk
about sure is just hip hop girlsdifferent. Yeah, so like that.
It's just like it's it's a lotof different like aspects that normally people like
we wouldn't be knowledgeable of. Andthat's it's and it's and it's through music

(46:51):
and mute movies and TV shows,we actually have an appreciation for a lot
of these, you know, scenariosthat we wouldn't normally go into. However,
y'all, ever, why watch y'allever watching? I'm asking them three
y'all, y'all ever watched something thatwouldn't normally be your taste, so to
speak, but you were interested andpossibly living that lifestyle at one point,

(47:13):
so it just captivated you. Scarface, Scarface, I don't know, I
want to chill come after after thatshit, I was like one thousand kiddos,
that get easy, man, Igot it. I said, you
know it was. It was badscarf. Even to this day, when

(47:36):
that opening scene comes on, doyou hear that opening music? My girl
goes in the next room to openthe music comes on, was like,
dude, oh you watch the Scarface? You ever sat down watch did you
watch did you watch that chop onNetflix? Yes? Man? They bust

(47:58):
that man out and I don't evenknow he was of it, Like like
I knew like the story, butjust watching it get a different. Yeah
you ever you ever really sat downand watch all the Scarface? Hell yeah,
I watched that joint like at leastonce or twice a year. That's
like a holiday line was hap party. There's a lot of people that love
Scarface. But when I tell themit's three hours, They're like, I've
never got to three hours watch.I don't even think I watched the four

(48:21):
movie or Scarface. I think Ialways catch the one. It's so bad.
Let me I know if I'm goingto bed. I had the VHS
and it was two teats. Yeah, like Titanic. How you no,
Yeah, listen, I grew up, you know how real quick? You
know how I take back to thefuture, right back to the futures on

(48:47):
one of my top five No.But how I knew I was poor growing
up? Is uh, I don'tgo. Don't get me wrong, my
parents provided I just knew I wasn'twealthy. Should say that I wasn't poor,
but I wasn't wealthy. But likeone day I came to school,
everybody's talking about what they got forChristmas and all that, and it was
probably a slow Christmas for us,you know, the family. But they

(49:09):
was like, yeah, so whatdo you get for Chris? You know,
they're calling on everybody. And Iwas like, oh, well,
you know my family, Yeah,we just got a DVD player so you
know, we don't got to usethe VCR no more. And somebody was
like, damn, y'all just gota DVD player and I was like damn.
Everybody started laughing and ship. Ithink for like ten years straight,

(49:30):
ten years straight. I think Igot mittens from the church because that's where
we used to get our gifts work. They used to give us presents from
the church. That's how Paul wewere. Because you grew up in Atlantic
City. It's crazy too because backdown that's all you knew. I was.
You probably enjoyed those gloves. Ididn't know anything better. I didn't
know anything different. Well, youknow, let me tell you amazing.

(49:52):
It's it's a different poor when yougrew up in Coney Island in Atlantic City
because you see the beach and that'swhere everybody wants to go. But you
know that that's like the facade everythingthe side of it. You still living
really really struggling. The whole familyis fucked up, and everybody's coming to

(50:15):
where you where you live, andyou're like, why are y'all coming here?
I'm trying to get the fuck out. Coney Island and Coney Island and
Atlantic City are the only two hoodsthat I believe that there's beaches and there's
hoods, not not even more.I don't know if you've been to Coney
Island recently. My little bro usedto live out there back in twenty nineteen.
I just I just moved here twoyears ago, straight from Jamaica.

(50:37):
Queen where he was at was acrossthe street from the beach, and he
all he had was like Jewish doctorsand all these like it was like a
heavy Jewish area and they was alllike upscale. It was very white.
Yeah, so it was. Itwas so go on YouTube. Go on
YouTube and look up Atlantic City streetsand just watch, because there's video.

(51:00):
It was a people just driving throughAtlantic City. Just just go through the
zombies and ship standing people. I'mnot even gonna hold you. And I
know this sounds super crazy, andI swear to god, this is real.
My first Cardier watch I bought offof the Atlantic City border and it
was some dude that sold me awatch that he said he got off the

(51:21):
truck. I paid one hundred dollarsfor it. I was probably like sixteen
years old. And my parents yelledat me because I left the hotel room
at like one two o'clock in themorning because I couldn't sleep, and I
just went off the border and I'moff the boardwalk and they were like,
do you realize how crazy Atlantic Citywas? And I'm like, you realize
how crazy I am? Good?But I bought a Cardier watch. That

(51:44):
was my first Cardier watch ever had, especially back in the twenty five years
ago. Ever think it was differentback then, use like probably eight years
ago, Like I'm gonna take themon f your feet show to the people.

(52:09):
I think that I think the onlyshoes I own the Atlantic seing with
my teams that I think I hadteams and every color and that was it.
And that's what I'm saying with Timsbro. I was though, I
want to do it, and hesaid he had every color. Every color.
My favorite were all black leather oneswith with the white reed with the

(52:30):
white rim. They got mad atme when I showed them to clear Water
Beach with my Jordans on, andthey're like, Yo, why are you
show up to the beach with sneakerson? Nig Because I'm from New York.
That's five. I know what itis. Man. You gotta just
break out the Jordan slides. Bro, I actually gotta give me a pair.
I ain't bought a pair of Jordanslides. I don't wear slides.
I like my slides, croc slides. I started getting crocks and like every

(52:55):
color because people I got Croc slides. I love my shoes. Yeah,
I gotta give me some crap.Ever owned a pair of cracks and crowns.
Don't do it. Get yourself.Get the slides. Man, that's
gonna ease you when they come foryou. I said that. I said

(53:16):
that, but I had to doa crop party, so everybody had to
wear crops and I just ordered thehardest one and I just fell up and
I didn't look. I would havebeen the only nigga with Jordan's on at
the crocs part and on the flyerand little ass and a little ass fucking
fun. It would have been likeyou are suggested to wear, you don't

(53:38):
have to wear. You're gonna we'regonna wear the all black like the Old
White Party. That we're gonna do. That is that what comes I usually
I usually wore all red at theOld White Party. Not Gonna, but
Cartier. So you talk about sowe're talking about Brooklyn, We're talking about

(54:00):
Coney Island and all that. Solet's get back to the root of things
on where were you born? Where? Where where were you born? Where
were you raised? Everything? SaintPetersburg, Florida. I was raised in
Saint Pete, local going and raisedin Saint Pete. I lived in Virginia,
Richmond, Virginia. You know.I lived in Atlanta, I lived

(54:22):
in Orlando, and I lived inI lived in New York for like a
month. But I was up becauseI was running away for something I got.
That's how it goes. That's howI ended up here. That's how
I ended up here. But younoticed, you know this, how motherfucker's
from down south, run north,from north, run down south like something,

(54:47):
and that's I winded up in Florida. But I didn't do it.
I didn't do it. Yeah,okay, anyway, so you so you
hold Brad, Yeah, definitely,all right, So how big do you
think your influences in this area it'spretty big. Yeah yeah. So what

(55:07):
I what I speak is like,what do you feel that you do in
the community that you think is goingto put this area and this community,
you know, above a lot ofdifferent ones. What do you think that
you do in this community that allowsthis community to upgrade and be above other

(55:27):
communities with your music, with yourtalent, with your your reach, like
with your with your just helping anddonating and you know, community efforts.
You know, what, what doyou think that you bring to the table
that will put this community up aboveeveryone else? You know. I'm gonna
say this to say that I helpto answer that question real good. I'm

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sitting here really like thanking and I'mtrying to give it to you without is
sounding crazy. All right, Well, say community, I really have to
know, like what you what youmean? Because to me, it's different
kind of communities. Okay, yousee what I'm saying. And I'm not
going around helping all the communities,absolutely, I'm only helping the communities that

(56:12):
want to help themselves, that notjust want to help themselves. They get
the bigger picture, okay, andthen get that's on the same page.
That's a community though, that's acommunity. When I say that, like,
what do you do to that communityto help you help them get to
the next level? Just help themsee different things, help them opening eyes
of different things. Like my communitywould probably be like an artist community,

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you know what I'm saying, becauseyou have certain artists that might go to
a show and some might come inHollywood and they might not get the response
that they need from the fans fromnew listeners because they came in with approach.
So I tell artists like, ifyou don't know people, go network

(56:54):
before you go on stage. Sonow when I see this person that already
came engage me, go up onstage. As they turned, I'm gonna
put down what I'm doing and like, oh that's home. They just came
and tap in with me. Letme, let me, let me tune
in, you know what I'm saying. So that's a jewel, right,
just teaching them, teaching them differentstuff. So with my communities, you
know, family, um, beingbeing there for your kids, so everybody

(57:16):
around me better fathers that a humansum, just you know, just taking
care of people. She said,you don't need like, you don't need
to be that guy like you canhumble yourself, don't matter what stage you
are, because I've been on tourwith Legends and they always, you know,

(57:42):
go out to the crowd, youknow, whether it's on the slide
or not, they always go outto the crowd and hill with the people
and then hit the stage. Andwhen they didn't do that for whatever reason,
there was interviews backstage, there wasyou know, whatever reason they didn't
do it. I noticed being thereDJ that the crowd participation and everything was

(58:05):
different, like the energy in theroom was different. So I don't care
if you you know, uh jayZ, I'll go down to say from
Jay, I don't care if you'reJa Kota Black, I don't care if
you're Benny the Butcher. I don'tcare if your Cuban Link or whoever.
But whoever, when you get intoa room, yeah you want to do

(58:27):
the whole side door and you know, yeah you're paid to be there,
but always slide through to a baror somewhere that's amongst the people, because
I guarantee those people are gonna bethe people that look you up, whether
they know you or not, becausethe people around around them might know who

(58:50):
you are. And then you getmore fans, you gain more the crowd
participation. Everything is super like thisjust right here is it's so much onto
something and I can't I can't stressthis enough. Like if y'all haven't heard
everything he said thus far, y'allneed to go back, rewind this,

(59:13):
listen to what this dude is saying, and then come to this point and
listen to what he's about to say, because he's definitely dropping some jewels on
you, like Jay just chilling justsaid. And y'all y'all not paying attention.
Y'all mean that I means y'all listening, So go ahead. That's a
fact. Because like when I was, when I was on my grind heavy,
and now I kind of do itmore so like this, so like
I wanna want to say a hobby, but it's more like a passion.

(59:36):
I just like to be creative forhim through arts, you know, stay
tied to music. But when Iwas heavy on it, I would come
shows with I at first of all, any time I boot the show,
I'd be like, can I setthe table up? As a person,
I asked, can I set atable up? They'd be like yeah no.
If they said no, I'm gonnaask somebody else, y'all, can
I set the table up, thetable up, and I come out and

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set my whole table up. Iput i'd have my back the day we
had CDs, I put my mixtapeson the table. I put a stack
of T shirts on the table.I showed up everywhere with at least like
a hundred shirts, and then Iwould go around the room and give all
the important people free shirts. AndI want to say important people, I
mean the club owner, the DJ, the promoter, sometimes security, you
know, people that's gonna look outfor me while I'm there. And it

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got to the point where after awhile, I remember specifically walking in to
do a show at a strip cluband Tampa. I can't remember if it
was like Emperors or something something.And I went to do a show and
I'm walking in and I walk inand they're like, yo, we got
Jay just chilling in the building.I walk over to djos like, yo,
what's up. I'm trying to figureout what. I'm like, I

(01:00:40):
know it's faced, but what doI know. It's like, you don't
remember you gave me a T shirt. I'm like, oh shit, and
throw them. I'm talking about Iwent up to New York. Somebody showed
me a picture of their cousin inFlorida and he's like, yeah, it's
my cousin here a rapper. Andwhen he showed me the picture, he
had my shirt on, and Iwas like, I'm fucking yeah, I
was. I was doing big shipfor a little bit. And then you
know, go back, that's goodwhat you did. But to go back

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to what you just spoke on,gave them out, to them, to
the people that you felt important.Sometimes that might not good because you might
have walked past the person that wassuper important. Oh yeah, that you
didn't even expect to be important.Oh for sure. So you gotta kind
of gotta work the ruins a littlebit. Oh yeah, yeah, no,
I'm different. I try to pushthe shirts. Is that the end

(01:01:22):
of the day. It's like merchandise. So I can't be just giving everybody
a free shirt, you know whatI mean saying, Yeah, you gotta
find a way to work that avenue. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you
gotta find out what works. Imade these. I made these shirts,
y'all know the I Heart New Yorkshirts. I definitely made a shirt that
said my heart DJ Show and Imade it identical to the I Heart New

(01:01:45):
York shirts, and I would givethem all up and down everywhere, you
know. But I also made myteam shirts that on the front it said,
um, don't ask us our name, stupid bitch. We're famous back
it had my name, my logoon it everything. And I went out
like twenty thirty one night and everybodywas like yo, and they were like

(01:02:07):
him right then, like you know, they were just with me. We
were just saw chilling. But everylike once a month, I would go
make shirts and just Yo, thirtypeople want to come out and chill with
me. Just all you gotta dois wear the shirt. Everything else is
on me, bottles on me,whatever's on me, but just wear his
shirt. So when people saw usin drones, you know, they would

(01:02:29):
be like, yo, what isthis about? Right there, he's the
guy. And that's how I gota lot of you know, people to
you know, fuck with me.Definitely y'all for New York, right or
remember the Brooklyn teams when they cameout they had the curses Blyn. Yeah,

(01:02:50):
yeah, yeah, yeah, Iwas. Yeah. I was heavy
on them when them dropped because Ihad a lot of friends in New York.
Orlando is full of New York,Oh, Florida in general. Yeah,
like all my friends in high schoolDan from New York. So I
won't even you hear my accent.I don't have a real Florida accident.
Like it's like in between what I'msaying. Yeah, yeah, I know

(01:03:10):
what you mean. Yeah, definitelythe accident definitely gets a lot thicker than
that, for sure. Yeah.Sometimes between sometimes I catch myself slow it
down a little bit, got tobreak it down. Yeah, I got
a lot of a lot of friendsNew York. So yeah, yeah,
we're very influential down here. Weall come down here in droves from the
Northeast. The thing with with likeFlorida is especially Orlando, and it doesn't

(01:03:40):
get enough phrase that as what itshould. Orlando is really the little New
York, the little melting pot ofthe South, because yeah, there's a
lot of people that go to Miami, but there's a lot of um live
forigner Miami. It's a lot ofa lot of Zose, you know,

(01:04:02):
a lot of Cubans, you knowwhatever. What Orlando is literally almost like
New York City. It is wherethere's a little bit of everybody. You
did what I'm saying. That's howI knew like Spanish culture and the Spanish
women and all this other stuff becausecoming from I'm just in class Saint Pete,
white and black. I ain't know, I ain't had no ages and

(01:04:24):
all this other stuff. So whenI come up to Orlando, it's a
different type of coach. I'm aclass for They thought I was Hastian,
but I'm just black. But I'mclass now with different with different what's about
to ask you too, So I'ma class with different culture. So I
think that was one of the bestmoves that I could have did too.
That's what opened me up to allthe coaches. Now in your movement,
I see that you you got alot of artists around you at all times.

(01:04:46):
Always I think I'm looking down yourpage and I told you this before
you know, we started the interview. I was trying to figure out which
artists you were. I'm like,I don't know, I'm not even sure
he raps anymore. I'm like,I thought he was a rapper, But
so many different artists here, andyou know, now try to put on
a lot of people. My mylong point being, do you see yourself
at some point trying to you know, get some sort of label deal or

(01:05:11):
maybe even like do your own indielabel. Yeah, definitely working on that
right now. My brother just signedto Empire It. He just signed an
Empire, So we just got himto the dough. We just opened up
a management company. Okay, sowe're just creating the steps right now to
try to deal for the future.I didn't want to sign right now.

(01:05:31):
Um, like I said, everybody'sstory gonna be different. Ye, I
want to have a different type ofsituation, different type of leverage, type
of type of going that leverage important, Yeah, definitely for sure. See
this that's what I'm talking about.Mind state of a real hustler right here.
It's always important to know where yourleverage is because without enough leverage,
you really it's almost like you're askingfor a favor, you know. But

(01:05:51):
when you got that leverage, justlike, look this is what I got.
You know, you could get inon this if you want some think
people wrapped now. Yeah, thegame is really like saturated. So even
the deal that they're given sixty yeah, and then they got to pay this
ship back. Why would I dothat when I could fuild my own advent

(01:06:11):
beil my own bleget you know whatI'm saying, to create my own merch
field, my own studio, createmy own ways. I can make my
own profit and then not get adollar. And what a lot of people
don't talk about is if you gothrough the proper avenues and LLCs and do
all your stuff and take your receiptsdown to bank accounts and you're able to
track it is you can actually turnthis into a business proposal and you can

(01:06:32):
take it to the bank and getget your own loan. That's what these
That's what a lot of these labelsstarted out as. I mean, I'm
sure they got a lot of theirown money now, But you know what
I'm saying, You take that andyou run it up, and you come
with a proper proposal, business plan, and they say, look, you're
doing these numbers, and you knowit sounds it sounds good. Well,
just having an LLC and a plan. Banks ain't giving Oh yeah, no,

(01:06:56):
you gotta go. I'm gonna takethat. I'll take it. I'll
taking one step further though, Igot to go to certain stuffs. Your
personal credit at a certain number,and then your business credit have to be
at a certain number. Yeah,that's getting that dirty account you have the
next SISTI how you have to dostuff to build up Yeah business before you
give me go get alone, rightyou see what I'm saying. And they

(01:07:19):
ain't telling you about them stuffs.Oh yeah, yeah, make it easier.
You can do this. It ain'tfor sure. Yeah, the people,
And that's the part to kill you. You're like, oh, you
follow LLC, but you don't realize. And I learned this the hardware.
I just got hit with a fourhundred dollar fee and you don't want to
you want to get it. That'syeah, yeah, yeah, that's corporate.

(01:07:39):
Certain things and certain things you gotto go certain ways. And music
I know nothing about. But likefor me, I follow the LLC for
my business because you know, ifI munch around the damage property, I
don't want nobody coming after my houseI just bought. So if I get
a LLC, it's like that's Iget limited liability. So it's like they
ain't gonna come from my property.They're gonna come after the business. But
yeah, four hundred dollars hit justbecause I didn't know I didn't verify my

(01:08:02):
address by May first. That's afour hundred dollars mistake right there. Just
that so people talking about it's notit's not that easy. You know,
it's not all fun and games.And you could put money on the LLC
if you don't file at the endof the year and you don't pay that
one hundred and fifty dollars fee byMay first and verify your address, take
first off your report. You're gonnaowe you really can take if you are.

(01:08:27):
If you got money to play with, you can get along, you
know what I'm saying. So ifyou got two thousand dollars player, you
can open up a bank account.Let is sitting there foot thirty ninety days.
The bank's gonna match you alone forwhat you got sitting in there.
You know what I'm saying. Youtake that long money, open up another
bank account to the cycle. Justpay the entry to pay the entry back.
See what I'm saying. Yeah,On the other lone, it just

(01:08:48):
you can't fumble when you try,when you operating like that. I've agreed
with you on everything. There's onething I'm gonna disagree. What's that.
What you're supposed to do is gobuy a little multifamily property so that way
you have a studio. If youbuy let's say quadplex, right, quadplex

(01:09:10):
is its four units, put yourstudio in one unit, rent out the
others. So now your your yourtenants are paying for the whole entire building.
You get that asset. And nowif you buy that let's say we're
just using round about numbers, letyou buy that for a two hundred thousand.
Now the building appreciates over time.You can get a loan or you

(01:09:34):
have equity in that building. Nowyou pull you pull that out to the
bank and say, yo, Igot this building that's now worth three fifty
four hundred. That's one hundred andfifty thousand dollars loan, two hundred thousand
dollar loan. Now you flip thatto doing everything you're saying now where you

(01:09:54):
go to the bank and you say, look I got this, you know
whatever, whatever. Now you're givingyourself and it's all against the property you
already owned, which is already makingmoney. You're already putting that money from
your tenants to pay your mortgage.And all that money is free, and
it's tax free because you're pulling itout from your equity, from your property.

(01:10:15):
You don't got to pay taxes onnone of that. Anything you ever
pulled from the equity of your property, you don't have to pay taxes on
none of that. That is taxfree as long as you use it for
another property another Yeah, another businessor property or some sort. Yes.
Yes, if you if you takeit as as equity and profit, that

(01:10:35):
you got credit. Yeah, youget the right type of So going back
to what you was saying is no, you don't want a deal. Nowadays,
everybody's getting a deal. You getI could probably pull up my TikTok
right now and the showty right nowthat that or dude right now that's on
my TikTok that got a million followersis getting a deal. But what does

(01:10:57):
that mean. The deal doesn't meananything because they're not really giving Those are
advances. Those are advances. Yougotta pay that back. So if they
give you a million dollars and they'retelling you, well, we're gonna send
you on tour, like Cardio justsaid, he's about to do his own
independent tour. Now, if Igave Cardio a million dollars and said,
yo, I got this booking agent, he's gonna get to going whatever whatever,

(01:11:21):
best believe he's gonna I'm not gonnadiddy him, my bad. I'm
not gonna diddy him and be like, yo, I just paid it.
I just paid you this million.But this is my booking agent. All
those hotels, all the buses,all the flights and everything. We're gonna
sit here and calculate this, allright, Cool, so you owe me

(01:11:43):
a million five like, that's notthat's not good mask. The mas don't
math at that point, and alot of people just want to be so
hot that they don't realize that themath don't mask. They're looking at the
short term and not the gray fatgratification or the long term aspect of this.
Because even as an engineer, whichI'm pretty sure you know because you've
been dropping crazy jewels this whole time, even as an engineer, you should

(01:12:08):
be getting points on an album becauseyou mixed and matched it. So even
if it's one point for one point, you getting you know, if million
albums sold at one point adds upwhat I'm saying, that's the as cap
or the b m I or theroyalties. Because now, at one point
on that song or album or whatever, if that gets picked up by the

(01:12:30):
Lion King, if that gets pickedup by you know, um, Scarface
or whatever movie that's about to beTitanic, big movie. You still get
that. You still get that onepoint. You know what I'm saying,
There's one hundred points on an album. If you get that one point one
percent of a million dollars is goodpaper. And not only that, but

(01:12:53):
it's good for the resume. Let'ssay you have one of your artists and
they and they catch a platinum plaque. Bro, you got your hands in
too, You get a platinum blacktoo. You put that joint on your
studio on the wall, like youearned that. Not no, not if
not if you don't give not ifthe artists don't give it to you,
they got to pay for that.The artists gotta pay for that. Yeah,

(01:13:13):
that's what I'm saying. It's agift. Yeah, you might get
black and black, but like Igotta get it. Going back to you
know things I'm supposed to keep mymouth shut about. But I got platinum
albums. But I don't have noplaques around here. I got my own
art behind me because I'm not supposedto be on certain things. But the
artist also gifts that to the peoplethat were involved. Yeah, you do

(01:13:34):
what I'm saying like, they don'thave to give it to you. And
that's the crazy part is you there'sno have to in this music industry.
And that is wild to me becauseeven if right right now GTAs what is
it six s out, it's aboutto come out. You know the budget
for that it was almost two milliondollars the game. That's it? What

(01:14:01):
do you mean that's it? That'stoo much. I'm not gonna lie,
but look at how long GT fiveI think I think I think it was
like two millions, and maybe itwas two BILLI I got a whole PS
five now, so I've known thatthey've generated well over two hundred and fifty
million dollars off that game. Soso my thing is this, right now,

(01:14:25):
if if you write Jay, ifyou have a song, the song
you played for us earlier, let'ssay that got that got a vibe,
and somebody on gt I was like, yo, we want to put this.
When you know, when you're ridingaround in the cars as the character
and you're hitting the fucking button andit hits the you know, hip hop
station, your ship pops up.You get a percentage of that that is

(01:14:47):
royalties to you. You know whatI'm saying, like all that counts like
my boy Bread. Shout out tomy man Bread. We got his fucking
a song in the UFC game.You know what I'm saying. His songs
is played with on Sports Center.His songs played on like the Canada Sports
Center. He's still getting checks tohis day for that ship only because we

(01:15:10):
made sure his ship was right.Always got to keep that mindset. If
you get a point, get apoint. That's what I gotta do.
Um. But with that being said, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
joining us off the record, realpeople, off the record. Check out
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does. Ladies and gentlemen, thankyou. Catch y'all, See you next
week. Dooces flip sad