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Mmmm. Two hours later, yep, pretty much. Ladies and gentlemen,
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welcome another episode of real People offthe record. Everybody, what's good?
What up? What up? Yo? As always, I got Jay just
chilling to my left blo and wegot show what's going on? The struggle
is real. The struggle is real. We started, we were supposed to
start to shoot two hours ago.But technology, we do a lot behind
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the scenes to make this work rightnow, a couple of weeks off.
But Jesus, Jesus, the Devilis alive. We are in the new
studio right now. We're not setup yet fully as you see it.
Look, you see a little ofthe foam over here. I'm actually we're
actually in the vocal engineering room rightnow. So I don't have anything set
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up in here. Yeah, soI just set up the podcast in here
so we can actually get going.But this room is gonna be changing too,
So don't get don't fall in lovewith this room because we're not there
yet. Big things happening over,big things happen. We're supposed to be
opening September first September first, gota Vocal Boost studio. It's pretty much
the studio. It is bigger thanmy bedroom, just saying huge. So
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she can't wait to break that thingin. Yeah she did she say that
too? Does she say that?Christ? You guys said, you guys,
are we a little too much therefor your show? Are we a
little too much? Yeah we are? Yeah we are good. Listen,
don't don't make me bring out thefolds and chair. Oh anyway, that's
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out to Montgomery. So Jay,just chilling? What up? What up?
What do we got going on today? It's gonna discuss some things like
what you know a little couple oflittle hip hop topics. I like to
call them hip hopics. Actually thatstop stop learning marketing right there at the
ton. We got your hip hopicscoming at you right now. So we're
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gonna have to talk about trademarking andall that. If it's not done yet.
Yeah, we'll talk about that hiphopics. So what hip hopic you
got going on? One thing?I wanted to talk what's racking your brain?
What is the most y'all would payfor a single verse from somebody?
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If you were if you were rich, if you were an artist, you
had label support. Let's just saymoney wasn't the object. Who were going
after anybody. I'll give you afavorite. What's the most to would pay
for sixteen bars? For sixteen Let'ssay jay Z. Let's say jay Z
the most will pay. I'd givehim a meal. You give him a
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meal? He would give j Mel? Yeah? Yeah, just to be
on the track, because I'll getthat in tenfold right back. So this
is this is my question to you, right, would you give ludacrous Mel?
Hell? Yeah, I wouldn't actuallybe nice. I wouldn't give a
million, but everybody, you know, I love me some Luda, but
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his pull ain't what it used tobe, all right, So how much
you give a Luda? I don'tgive him a kind of grant? Yeah
he's getting right now. I don'tknow. I don't know what Luda's get
right now because I haven't haven't doneanything, look like recently. No,
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yeah, I haven't heard anything fromI mean, I think I did see
him. I don't know how recentit was, but he did do like
a little promo verse that I saw. The reason I asked, though,
it is because my guy, andI call him my guy, even though
he tends to embarrass himself and hisfans. And did you hear that verse?
Wasn't even sixteen. No, itwas twelve. It might have been
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like twenty. It wasn't even wastwelve. To get a Black got a
million dollars for a Verse? Hedid it, but go ahead, let's
talk about it. That got amillion dollars for Verse? Did you see
a long that song? Not eventhree minutes long? That whole song,
and he's got three people on thatphone. I haven't even listened to the
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whole song, if I'm gonna behonest with you. I heard his little
clip where he was kind of likecoming at six nine a little or not
really coming opened up with that.He opened I got a rat paying me
or something like. I thought itwas cool. No, no, he
said. I forgot who was talkingat. But he was saying, you
lost your girl to a snitch orsomething like, because this girl is on
the track and that used to beanother dude's girl. Yeah, I think
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he's a so. I think he'sbeefing with Reggaet Throne rappers. Now I
think it's Annuel or one of themdudes. Yeah, six nine beefing with
he stole somebody's girlfriend now in PuertoRico. You know he's six nine is
beefing with everybody ever stop it unlessyou got a million. But the billion
dollars really have a million? Iwas, I was gonna say, you're
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better make sure that checked on bounce, but to make sure, I'm sure,
you know, it's probably label money. Maybe he's got I don't think
he's still signed. Is he stillin the label drop? I'm pretty sure
he's still signed. I think he'sstill He's been doing reggae throne music.
He's gonna switch a lot of stuffup ever since. He's a lot of
self destruction and plosion and for sometime he switched a lot of things up,
you know, loyalty. I justthought it was crazy. A million
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dollars for one birds. Yeah,I mean him gets that. I would
honestly not for sixteen it. Amillion dollars is a good price to sell
out if I'm gonna do a versewith a snitch A million dollars. Yeah,
but now no one's gonna respect himbefore. But right, so he
was up and coming, but codecssolidified not anymore? Nah, Yeah he
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straight? What's that? This isthe problem? Right? That's just like
someone signing on to do with rKelly song and the song is called p
on me happened. So this isthe problem, right, And I don't
mean to get philosophical on y'all andwhatnot. But so you're saying a million
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dollars you would do a song witha snitz, So that means you have
a price to do whatever not whatever? B Yeah, price, yeah for
sure, not whatever though, Likethat's whatever wouldn't you do for a million
dollars? Shit, I wouldn't killnobody for a minute. Yeah, I
wouldn't kill nobody for a million dollars? Is that is that the end?
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All? Say? Off? Imean, no, of course not.
I'm not you know, I'm notdoing nothing gay for a million dollars.
Bro, I would not. I'vegot to come with at least two know
what I'm saying. Wait wait,no, no, no, no,
but how I'm just joking, Hey, listen to do a song with a
snitch? I got a price forme to to fuck with a OP or
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somebody that I wouldn't really Yeah,you pat the number ship. I've come
through fucking but no, there's certainthings I'm not gonna do. I'm not
gonna coach on some bullshit that Idon't believe in for any p. So
you haven't heard the song, you'renot. I honestly haven't heard the whole
I heard the whole song, andif you can call it that, it
was guys, I bet six nine. I haven't been known for yeah.
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But but but you know, youryour boy Kodak. He's supposed to be
like that, the anchor. Youknow, he's supposed to be the put
it to another level. That's whyyou paid him a million dollar because he's
like, I need to be herelike no, no, listen, Kodak
caught his bag and took it inran with it. But no, I
can't tell you whether you're saying he'snot making a million off other songs that
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he's doing. Hell no, no, Kodak for a feature, I mean
millions do Like I think he cameout of prison and got like a four
million dollars deal or two million dollarsdeal or something like that. So yeah,
I know he's got some bread.But you know, all that stuff
gott to get paid back anyway.So yeah, bread true. I'm I'm
gonna go on record and say milliondollars not enough for for that, No,
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for anything. No, I don'tthink you couldn't pay me million dollars
to be on a song or sixtimes. You can pay me at six
nine. Listen, I'm gonna sendme my email. You just contact me,
hit your people. But you knowwhy he did it. He wanted
his cloud, yeah yeah, ohyeah, yeah, he wanted a DA
cloud. Yeah, he wanted hewanted to get respect back. No,
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it's yeah, no, he's simillion dollars. So the only person that
hurt was Kodak. Now, noone's gonna want him as a feature.
I think his stock is going togo. I think, how much do
you think receiving a million dollars reallyhurts? I don't think he hurts.
I mean, I bet you've gota lot of Sure, I'm sure he's
got a lot of comments and peopletalking ship and stuff like that. But
how what how does he guys howmany cars? As a Kodak fan?
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I still well, if you dropthe whole album side to the flip side,
why doesn't Bobby Schmurder have people behindhim? What you mean on ten
toes? Oh? Yeah? No? What you mean though, like why
he doesn't have a success, whyhe came out of jail, He hasn't
done nothing. He've got a coupleof tracks. It's just they're not they're
not really doing nothing. Honestly,if I'm being completely honest with Bobby Smurder,
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have nine have have the cloud thathe's getting and a man that did
his eight years, he had likeeight for eight on the billboards. Bro,
six nine made a way more moneythan Bobby Schmurder touched, which music
which drives me insane. It drivesme insane. Yes, money off any
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of this guage. Yeah, I'mgonna be honest with you. I was
watching the sixth nine movement, butit was damn sure. It wasn't for
the music. I just you know, you see him talking all that shit
was I was doing what everybody It'slike watching a car accident. You just
want to see what happens. Bro, you don't want to see it,
but you want to see what happens. Yeah, but you can't give like.
This is my problem with the musicindustry now is that people are putting
so much into emphasis into you know, pretty much train recks. People are
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watching train recks in the music industryright now, and it's like like we're
we're what are we doing. We'renot watching anything with talent, We're not
watching anything we're seeing how how muchcan this fuck up? That's literally what
we're watching. Yeah, that's exactlyit, especially when it came to six
nine. That's exactly what it was. It was like watching watching the train,
just a runaway train track. Wego back to the original question,
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is it worth for a million dollars? Because, like I said, to
track with six nine, Yeah,that'll affect your career moving forward, Like,
yeah, a million dollars, greatmoney, now no other What happens
if nobody else in the music industrywants to do a track with you because
you just did a track with sixtimes, Yeah, is it worth the
meal? I don't think that wouldbe the case, though, Bro,
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I don't think the end of thegame is that petty, you know what
I mean. You might make alot of enemies, for sure. You're
probably gonna have like a lot ofpeople that was fucking not fucking with six
nine gonna not be fucking with you. But I don't think nobody's gonna be
like, oh, Code got amillion dollars from six nine and did a
verse. Nah, Bro, theycould drop him hard, not hard,
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guarantee guarantee you not Codex done somuch dumb couple, Bro, he's done
so much dumb ship, Like,okay, nothing can stink. First off,
his last prison charge, he wentin there for something his boy did
in his rental car. Yeah,he took the cha that you get respect
from people from that. This Hewas facing about like he's probably gonna be
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locked up for a minute, andhe got pardoned by Donald Trump. God
is in I don't know God orthat Haitian voodoo. I don't know,
but Kodak is but less in theindustry. You lose respect, I mean,
you gain respect from that ship,you lose respect for them go in
the opposite. It's like literally thespectrum. Yeah no, there's definitely some
backlash for it, but I don'tthink it's gonna affect him, you know.
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I think it's just gonna be peoplegive some people to talk about anything,
like if anything, negative reaction,positive reaction. It's all publicity at
the end of the day, youknow. So it might have been that
Kodak was getting a little quiet.This might be a little yeah, people
talking shit about him. But thenhe follows it up with another project with
somebody like I don't know, likeDak coming back from this. I don't
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think he ever even fell off.Bro, I think he's straight honestly as
long as he stay. When didthe song get released? But I didn't
say he fell off. I justsay he's not coming back from this.
He's not gonna get another feature.Oh I thought we lost you for us
at the show TV. Yeah,he's not getting another feature. They were
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big could not fall off. Buthe's not coming back from this. He
went from here, not now.He's no codex got respect. Look,
one of the only features on Kendrick'salbum Code Black. Yeah. This is
yeah, but it don't Matter's whatI'm saying. Don't these people don't like
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it's a million dollars, BROI togive on what you're saying. That means
this whole industry is fake in hisway. But no respect, no,
no loyalty, no nothing, butwhy that's basically what you're you're co signing.
He split a verse for him.He didn't say, Yo, I'm
gonna go commack to I'm gonna gocommit conspiracy with nah. He just so
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the verse right, you j right, right. If a dude goes and
snitched on half a Tampa, right, you're gonna hire him? Fuck?
No, that's Tampa this is theUnited States code. Got paid. That's
what I'm saying. If a manskached on half a Tampa and paid.
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Okay, let me say, Letme say, R Kelly comes out of
jail, right, fuck R Kelly. Her Kelly comes out of jail.
About the children. R Kelly comesout of jail. He pays you one
million, two million dollars. You'redoing a verse for him. I got
nothing nice for I don't have nothingnice to say about six nine neither,
because six nine is this questionable asI'm not seeing any differences. Listen,
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a million dollars. I just toldyou two million dollars for Kelly. Yeah,
he's five million dollars girls, fivemillion dollars, five ten millions.
Put Takashi put people behind bars,Yo, you'd be surprised how many rappers
put people behind bars. I wouldlove to know it me too. But
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if we start pulling paperwork out,I mean, how many rappers don't put
people behind ball? I feel thatI feel that I was actually listening to
Joy in the check. Let meknow what you guys feel about this conversation.
Does Kodak Black get a pass no? Because he did this song with
six nine or his Kodak stalk aboutto go down like a Hunts point.
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Now, do me a favor.Watch all of the reactions to that song
and the commentary on that song,and that's that's your answer right there.
But people that's talking, that's thething that's and that's always been the thing
with six nine. Nobody ever listenedto this. And there was a couple
of songs where he was like,it was like, all right, I
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can do this, but if you'reyou're seeing it from six nine side six
nine is always about that life.Yeah he was. He was calling this
way kind of was the same thingthough, But I think I think Kodak
straight man, you will be honestwith you. Next month we'll talk about
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what else we got. What elsewe got? Well, I guess it
was a good transition we could.I wanted to talk about while we were
on the topic of rappers putting peoplein jail, I want to talk about
drugs and hip hop hand the FEDERALISI, Okay, do they go hand in
hand as far as there's what gohand in hand? Do you think drugs
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run hip hop? Do you thinkthe Feds are a little too hard on
hip hop? Or do you thinkthe Feds should be that hard on hip
hop. One. I think alot of it, as we know in
our industry, it's a lot ofit's a facade. A lot of them
ain't about that life. A lotof them ain't about that life. That's
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very true. So, like Isaid, it's all like, it's all
all up the side, like likefor Cribs, they were renting houses,
they were, you know, rentingcars for MTV Cribs and shit, that's
literally what it's about. So Idon't think you know, the people that
think they're about the life, youend up with it. Tasha six nine.
That's that's how we end up withthis ship. Yeah, because of
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people think this is real and he'sthen he was like, no, I
hate about that life. I'll stitchit. That's when you realize it's real.
That's that's how you end up withthat personally. That's how That's how
I look at it. That isthat's very true. But I'm not going
to discredit all the hip hop becausethere's definitely no, no, no,
there's a lot of people about thatlife. I'm not dropping no names,
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and please let's let's try to refrainfrom holding back dropping because I don't want
nobody being like all these guys inthe next Academics or DJ Bladder. No,
that's not what I want. I'mjust academics ahead, yeah, because
I mean academics got a lot moreviews, and he's got to show a
similar name mix. So my god, the one nice but no. Yeah,
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but there's a lot of them aboutthat life and a lot of a
lot of people started out that wayon the street quarters, you know,
spitting their rhymes and shit, andthen you know, selling selling weed and
coke, and you know that ship, especially in the early nineties, nineties
for late eighties shit, that's whereyou know hip hop started after that whole
blackout like a lot of people,don't get wrong, New York City Blackout,
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yes, and that that's that wasthe birth of hip hop in New
York City because all this expensive equipmentwas getting in the hands of talent,
people with talent, so you know, and people you know, all sold
all that lot of that too forlike drugs and shit like that. So
you know that I think it doesgo not hand in hand, but it
has similar roots or the same routethat you know it grew from. So
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what I think personally, Yeah,I think nobody moved more drugs into this
country than the government. Right,I agree, nobody. Nobody's doing any
of that. Nobody's going to guatemalagain. Cocaine, Nobody's doing none of that.
Ship bro, that's like take linesfrom movies and just claim cocaine in
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America. That's what CIA stands for. My point is, let me tell
you I think I think from Ohyeah, I got to let me just
wrap this up real quick this pointbefore. I I think the Feds have
a hand in hip hop as wellas far as they want. They want
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certain people to blow up, Theywant certain people to influence everybody. They
want certain people to look like theygot the money and the jewels so that
they could have the influence, sothat they could they want to keep everybody
in a state of idiots, youknow what I mean, where it's like,
all right, we're gonna show themall the wrong values in life.
So what they do is they findthemselves a successful drug dealer and they put
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them on on him, and youknow, they get that, they get
that talk to We're actually gonna circleback to this topic next month after something's
happened. Because this I literally havea whole segment on it on the specific
thing that we're speaking about. Sowe'll we'll circle back that to next week,
but we go ahead finished. Ididn't mean to interrupt, but yeah,
that's cool. I like talking tosubject. I've been watching a lot
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of shows and stuff lately. Butyeah, yeah, I think that the
FEDS and and you know, youknow, the powers that be definitely have
a hand and who does that.They want people out there selling drugs and
they wanted to be aimed at theinner city, so they know that,
you know, the best way todo that is to put the dope boy
on the rap charts, you knowwhat I mean. Make sure he's and
make sure he's doing good. AndI think a lot of these these dope
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dealers, man, they don't evenrealize. Yeah, they're being played,
yoused, you'd be surprised. Someof them are playing that fiddle too.
Some of them are playing them.So my thing is this, right,
Your favorite rapper is actually talking abouthis favorite drug dealer. Oh yeah,
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he's not really out there. LikeNas is so respected in hip hop that
he always if you go to hisearly music, he says he's been looking
out the window. He never didanything but he's so respected that he doesn't
have to do anything because he's thestoryteller behind it. Right back in when
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when drugs you know, you wantto talk about drugs. I mean,
I've been around certain people like wesaid, we're not gonna say anything.
But back in the day art peopledidn't have passports. Ain't nobody on the
block had a passport. Don't nobodyin on the block knows somebody from medi
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ying or wherever that they can getto coke, plant from or know how
to make cocaine they make here inthe States. They may crack, yeah,
because there were certain ways that was. But ain't. No, we
didn't bring guns into this. Wedidn't bring weed into this. We didn't
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bring none of this since it you'reabsolutely a thousand percent right, the government
controls it all. Now the governmentis making weed legal because they realize that
we're gonna make that money. Regardless. I'm willing to bet in a few
years they're willing to make probably cokelegal too, to a certain extent,
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the same way they're doing weed.Right now. You can do this,
you can do that. Whatever criminalizein Washington State. That's what I mean.
So that's what I mean like ain'tno, ain't nobody bringing yo.
If you look up cocaine cowboys.Yeah, they made a distribution where they
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had pilots, They had people onon on the Belize side and the Colombian
side and on this side. Butfor the most part, Bro, that
was rare. So Yeah, Ibelieve the government is extorting our people by
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planting certain things in here. AndI also believe that the government is empowering
certain people to bring in certain thingsto control the narrative of what's going on
here. If you look up likeBumpy Johnson, Frank Lucas, those are
guys from back in you know,sixties, fifties, forties. If you
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look up the Godfather Hollow, BumpyJohnson was friends with with Malcolm X.
He actually protected Malco. He wasa well known drug dealer. He was
a friend with Adam Clayton Powell.His wife worked for Adam Clayton Powell.
These are all political figures. Theyall knew what Mumpy Johnson was doing,
what he was about. He wasbringing in. Back then, they called
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a dougie right now, you know, young people call a dog food,
but it's heroin. They were bringingheroin in. Yeah, ain't nobody.
Ain't nobody making heroin here in theUnited States. We don't know the mixology
of it, the chemistry behind it. We know how to sell it,
which is still not good. Butalcohol you've never wanted. Yeah, same,
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the same thing. That's what I'msaying. Like, but breaking bad
is mess. That's the same thing, like and and I don't want to
get like black and white with it. It's just I'm saying with what Jay
said is I'm saying the government isbringing that in through other people that are
a hierarchy, let's say, andthen they're selling it to the next hierarchy
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that is giving it to the nextand the next, you know, so
forth. But man, ain't noneof us got passed. I mean,
we got passports now because we're youknow, gaining some. But back in
the day, bro, ain't nobodygot passports back then, Ain't nobody got
passports. Yeah, we're all We'reall getting it from somebody that has a
connection overseas. Now, I'll dothis respect where Frank Lucas, which was
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the driver for Bumpy Johnson, heexpanded it because his brother in law went
overseas to fight the war, andthen they used to bring all the extra
shit on the bodies. Yeah,that's some foul ship. But your your
local drug dealer or your local rappernever was a it's not really a rapper
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or your your rappers not really adrug dealer. His man is a drug
dealer, and they're investing in himbecause he It's just like anything else on
the block. At least when Iwas growing up. If you were good
at baseball, you were good atbasketball, you were good at football,
and the drug dealer kept you outof trouble because he wanted you to succeed.
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If you're good at music and you'regood at this you know music,
shit, you're gonna keep you sure, make sure you succeed, but you're
still gonna have to pay them back. And the paidback is clean their money,
Yeah, which is not which isthe nazes of the world. And
I'm not you know then, Iknow I'm I'm affiliated with queens, but
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but it's just it's everybody like youknow what I mean, It's like I
got more than you talk about thiswhole topic, like it said, next
book and ladies and gentlemen. Idon't believe Jay Z sold anything a day
in his life. No, no, nah, no, Nah. They
talk about head shark, tanks andship in his house before he was even
rapping. I don't I don't believejay Z in his walls. And now
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if you want to talk about hehad dast five sixty say street, five
sixty six street, that's what hesays, talk talk. All right,
let's let's let's see jay Z giveme a top five rappers that you think
actually did something in the streets that'sactually a rapper. Now, all right,
jay Z? For sure? No, go ahead. And I'm not
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saying no because I know I'm sayingI just don't believe it. I don't
know. This feels like snitching,bro. I don't know if I want
to keep doing this. No,I just thought about it. This motherfucker
did something. I don't know,Bro. I will say this though,
I do think that there are alot of rappers that actually do do it.
I do think that what you're sayingis the case most of the times.
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I think a lot of these peoplewould like to take I mean,
look at Rick Ross stole a wholeman's fucking identity, bro, Like,
so what have you brought that up? I'll give you my top five Ross,
Rick Ross because he'd be teaching wealth. He'll be teaching well, I'll
jump out the window. Rick Rossnever did none of that. He was
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a CEO. He was a goodkid in prisons too, though, I
will say that drugs sold in prison. No, that's fine, Jada Kiss,
he can do none of that.He's seen it. Do you think
so? I mean, I don'tknow, but I feel like Jadakiss probably
still doing some shit. Okay,he never been to jail before. Who's
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the only person in that whole groupthat's ever been to jail? It Styles
st is the only person I've beento jail. So what do you think
Jada's talking off of? Yeah?Yeah, Jada just has a better way
of articulating it, which Styles doestoo, but Styles don't want to implement
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himself. And Jada says, Inever did a jail. I never did
a day on in jail. Hesays it in his rhymes. Yeah,
I mean that jail jail doesn't reallyvalidate what what you got going on.
But I do feel you though,I do feel you, Deely, You're
gonna get caught. Eventually, You'regonna get called. Everybody gets hurt.
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I've been away, not always somepeople are smart every black and if you're
lucky not to get caught, Godbless you. You know. I love
that song Black in America by theBacks, but I think that's what's called
black in America. Hold on,I'm glad you just said that. You
just brought up another point. Geezoh yeah, geez Jeez has been on
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record right now saying throughout the wholetime he said he was selling drugs,
he was actually uh buying subway sandwichesto make sure he had enough money to
do what he was saying. He'son record saying that now. I'm sorry,
called filthy of America. My thingis, And I'm just saying this.
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If I was a former drug dealerand I know that certain crimes have
certain statutes of limitations, I woulddefinitely say that ship too. I'd be
like, yeah, no, Iwas definitely just rapping about the guy down
the street. I ain't never didnone of that at all that I used
to work at burder. But thestatual limitations on drug dealing is different than
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murder. Well, there is nostatute of limitations on murder like at all,
correct, but there's statue of limitationon drug dealing. Yeah, but
this is talking about. It's onlywhat about forty years old. He's probably
been committing crimes, allegedly, probablytill he was like somebody like him.
I'm not saying, jeez, Idon't know. I really don't know what
he's up to, but somebody likehim, you know, probably be committing
crimes up to like thirty five.That gives me six times I've ever committed
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in my life and nobody could convictme. I'm not saying I'm going to,
just saying I was gonna say thesame, the worst they're gonna That's
all I used to do. That'sthe only crime. But I could.
I could because all the statue oflimitations is up except for one. But
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its point. Yeah, we gota bus. I didn't say it,
he didn't say it. I didn'tsay what it was. But like Depp
killed somebody and he was good.He signed to bad Boy. He had
special delivery. If y'all really wantto get into it, my cousin is
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the one that made the special delivery. Be I like that. So they'll
bring him on the show. Bro. It's good. Me and my cousin
will get along. But anyway,but now, above all of that let's
let's that's it. It ate atg depth so much in his brain that
he went to the cops and said, yep, I did this, and
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they had to charge him because hesaid he did it. I'm a lot
of eto the exactly exactly correct.But now you get into rappers that I
think that really did some some somethings in the streets. Fifty cent fifty
cent really move some things, yeah, you know what I mean. Jim
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Jones, Yeah he really did somethings. Bro. It's like French Montana
definitely did something. I was there, you know what I mean. So,
like you get into that and it'slike I'm just playing cops. But
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no, Yeah, there's definitely alot of real rappers in the game.
And there's there's a lot of shitton of Baker Ones bro like out there.
That's funny. So my thing iswhat else we got? What else
we got? I mean like theyspeaking all that like I just like I
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said, I think it's a lotof it is a big facade. I
think a lot of the modern rappersright now are in that life because I
think they do their own ship andthat reflects in their music. And I
think that these are the kids thatthe real drug dealers sold to And I
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really think that's the problem one ofthe problems with current you know, hip
hop or you know, just wrapnow, because I think these kids and
these this new generation is just messedup on everything that's going on. And
I think they say it with crackbabies. Just say it. I mean,
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I wasn't gonna say it. Andyou're putting yourself into that. You
said, yep, I've been hearingit all my life. I was going
I was born in the crack babyear although my mother never did cray.
Yeah, I stand by that good. But you know, also, you
know, the food and stuff actuallyaffects you too. But that's that's another
the conversation that will have for anotherday, which actually we can bring into
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you know, the hood because wedidn't get the best food back then.
We got the ship and the stick. We didn't get the nice white people
good meals at at private school.We got some box of cheap ass you
know brand flakes and maybe that fakeass milk. You know what. I
will say that we did have asfar as food that was way better in
(34:25):
the hood than you can get atany of uh these white chop milk deli
sandwiches, sandwiches. Bro, noteven publics can fuck with a nice New
York City corner store sandwich. Idon't know. White House Ups is pretty
good Atlantic City. Not touching,not touching, look it up, look
it up. I'll take it tothe ox on my block. Bro looking
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at White House Ups. Bet,look that up. You gotta go in
there. You gotta talk to themwith confidence. You can't be in there
like please, white House US worldfamous. Let me get a bacon eggacy,
put that bits on a roll,please, Even when I said please,
wait, girl, I actually thisis good. I've never been to
(35:07):
a publics ever. But I've neverbeen inside of a publics. Have you
never actually physically been in Florida?Are you even here right now? I'm
a holocrap. I have a holograph. What do you mean You've never been
in public? I've never been intoa public. First off, pub subs
are gas as fuck. They're nottouching an NYC Deli's corner holds. Subs
(35:31):
are a thing. Pub subs area thing. To the point where I
told my girl, which is nevershe never lived. Yeah, both met
my girl. She's never lived outsideof New York City, So I could
have U Florida a couple of yearsago, where we were still dating and
all that. I was like,Yo, pump subs this this thing.
(35:52):
She was just like, yeah,whatever, Bro. Every time we go
to Florida now she's like, sowe're getting a pup sub public. See,
I don't. I don't like.I mean, I've had a pub
sub. Someone brought me one.I just never been inside of publics.
But I wasn't too impressed with theirpub sub because you didn't order it.
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Yeah, you gotta watch them makeit. It's different. No, it's
not even put into it. Yeah, I'll show some order. You ordered
a pub sub off of what youthink. You want to understand what's not
what's in front of people? Yeah, subway, you gotta see the options.
Man. It's like when you goto cold Stoning. You're not gonna
go there blind, lactose, tolerant. It's like, it's like, right,
(36:36):
and and I hope none of ourgirls are watching right now. If
y'all are just tune out for fiveseconds, it's like, you know what
you like in your girl, right, you have a type? Then you
go into a brothel. Now,bro, you gonna pick what's in front
of you. What you like there? Yeah, all of a sudden,
you be like dag maybe if it'sthere. But if it's there, I'm
(37:02):
a I'm a pickyuck me too.I love my wife and my wife only.
I love my wife too. WhatI'm saying like, yo, unless
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you know what's in front of youand you got the option, you might
and if you catch stick to thescript, but you might add something on
it. I got the potato wedgestoo. They got some good hot food.
Did you know he's talking about I'mnot co signing that hot wings?
(37:45):
You know I don't do wings either. I don't. I don't. I'm
not a fan of wings. Idon't. I don't like like I don't
know. It's just not enough meatfor me, like I don't. It's
just not yo. I don't getit, Paul that pause, pause,
I don't need to pause. I'mperfectly fined in my sexuality. After you
(38:08):
though, that's what That's what mycousin said about too many. You gotta
eat too many to get anything outof it. I was talking about cousins.
I'm like, he's like crab asa decent. He's like, you
just gotta work so hard for alittle piece of Yeah, it's like lobster
too. Lopster too for a littlepiece of crab. See, but no
lobster. Should I have surf notthat long? But that ship was,
(38:29):
Oh my god, I'm so long, and then like a lot. Nowadays
the wings are fucking small. They'relike this big, like what is that
gonna does? It? Was expensive? Wings are right now to buy his
restaurant. Yeah, they're delicacy.Now it's not ridiculous. Wings used to
be the scraped so we used todo fifty cents awake at the Chinese spot.
(38:52):
You get a win, right,yeah, the please forgive me the
retarded leg, the actual wing andthen the leg. Right, that's one
wing in New York. In Jersey, I'm pretty sure it's the same,
right, Yeah, in the Chinesespot down here in Maryland. Oh,
(39:13):
they break the pieces up and theythat have they take away the rest that
have of one wing is actually twowings now where it be wing house?
You know, uh, hooters,the Chinese spot whatever. So y'all chipping
us and then y'all charging us more. But you know what it's seeing you
(39:37):
never thought about that over here.It's still not enough to fill me up.
I need a whole ticket. Ineed the breast, I need the
legs, I need I need allthat just to fill. I'm just saying,
yeah, your girl, your girls, your girls thick. Isn't she
got a fat ass? They needto know that. You mean to say
(40:00):
you got a bad ass. Wellyou heard it here first, folks.
She's not thick. No, she'snot, she's not. She she got
Yeah, I'm not I'm not askingabout your girl. And you heard in
your first folks, tony one descriptivething ever. I was trying to like,
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I don't get it. We wentso far off music. I don't
even know where we're at anymore.You no food is about you know,
music too English? Popeye's music tomy ears right now? Oh man?
What else we got? Jay?So we were talking about I guess dope
boys and rappers and stuff like that. And this is this is a thing
(40:45):
that always gets me going because italways seems to me that dope boy music
always seems to get the more morecommercial, more more like more success than
over lyricism. So like the JI D S, the J. Cole
well you know, the dream billsversus like the cmgs and s for our
(41:06):
for our audience breakdown what you knowwhat that would be? What? What?
What? A dope boy? Rap? What? What? What?
Somebody described somebody like young Dolf restin peace? Somebody like I mean,
names are not helping. What's thewhat's the Somebody who raps about selling drugs?
You know what I mean? Somebodywho's like, oh this came up,
this is what I do? Youknow, hit me up? I
(41:27):
got him for the low, youknow what I mean. Whether they're doing
it or not, it's their business. Again, I don't want to get
into it. Yeah, but Ithink I feel like those rappers are doing
a lot better lately, maybe youknow, overall time, than than like
lyricists, you know, for themost part. You got But that goes
to my conversation I just had.I literally said, this current generation is
literally the ones doing the drugs thatyou know, our generation was selling.
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And that's literally and then they justtook it and ran with it and they
started producing and selling it. Soyeah, that's why it's popular right now
because that's literally the whole the wholemodern music. I don't think I'm saying
it, but I think that Ithink that helps out with it. Right,
So It's been said on this podcastplenty of times. Me and tone
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are are different age than Jay.Yeah, what was the decade? Me
and tones age definitely came up onthe selling error. Yes, Jay's age
came up on the doing error.Na the adventurous time. I was ninety
two, man, we still hadwe had hustlers in my era. But
(42:37):
yeah, surely saying you did it, but you you experimented more. Whatever
did? Shrooms are awesome? Youshould try shroom show my point exactly.
So I say that to say thisnow, being that y'all experimented more,
(42:58):
you got the other people, let'ssay that are from Beverly Hills and everything
that never experienced just a wife forbeing a hustler, right right, But
they want to know what it isto live that way, the same way.
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Easy and Day made it popular becausethey were telling a certain story from
from a certain area, and everybodyfelt that story. But the people that
didn't know that story also felt likethey were a part of it. I
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feel like it's almost the same whereeven if you're doing drugs, you might
feel like a hustler if you listento the music, or if you're if
you're just out in you know,fucking Wichita, Kansas. You'll be like,
oh, this is what it's likeliving in the inner city. By
(44:04):
listening to so and so, itjust kills me. That guy. I
feel like the hustlers get more recognitionthan the lyricists because the lyricists, let's
be honest, ain't nobody in LebronJames Charter School have passed tess in what
they say eight years So damn ChellsHall Lebron. I'm just saying stupid.
(44:31):
Is it stupid? Does so ifyou're listening to certain things and you can't
apply it, I mean, yeah, it is what it is. I
mean. Also, the comprehension levelis a lot different too, like any
attention span, why do you thinksongs are a lot shorter now? And
also they're gotting full sentences, likelike fucking don't finish that sentence, sone,
(44:55):
They're not gonna listen. That's good, that's good. But yeah,
definitely there's no there's no storytellers likeyou and you see it too, because
a lot of songs are blowing upoff TikTok and all of that. So
it's like people's attention spans is reallyshort down for like ten to fifteen seconds
(45:15):
now people are not trying to seeand it sucks because you got all these
dope like look at Join the Artists, like Join the Lucas, who puts
a whole fucking movie together every trackhe releases, But you won't hear Join
the Lucas on the radio as muchas you hear I don't know, spot
them? Got him? Who's sittinghere? Why? Right? You know
why they could sell more ad spacewhen years there's a lot of shorter songs
(45:37):
that that too. But I alsothink part of it is they want us
to be dumb. They don't wantyeah, absolutely be free thinkers, so
they you know, pick and choose. No, you know, I don't
feel like they want us to bedumb. I think we choose to be
dumb. I think part that's partof it too. But I think it's
like britt like it's it's almost likeforce fed into us, like even in
the food bro like not really becauseI'm listening to underground stuff like they can't
(46:00):
thank the stuff that I do.Stuff it's not they don't pick and choose
that. You want to know why, I don't the mainstream individual and not
people that agree with you on thatnow I'm one of them. I'm very
like you know, I try tostay away from mainstream shit, and I
you know, I got my peopleI look after. But let me simplify
(46:22):
this for you. You're ready,yeah, ready? Do any one of
y'all have regular cable? Yes?I got Spectrum streaming, that's where I
could stream streaming. But you gotregular cable like Channel nine where you can
sit through a commercial yep, andyou watch it. Yeah no, and
(46:46):
then I get tired of like,look at the Netflix. You know.
That's that's the reason why we're done, because the cable we don't have.
We have so many things in ourin our lane. And I'm not saying
you're dumb, no, no,just ship. I'll tell you right now,
I'm doubt help, I'm not.We have so many things in front
of us that we can we cana skip the regular things Like when I
(47:14):
grew up, there was no streamingplatform. You watched a show, you
had to sit there through the commercials. You watch fucking you know, the
Kello Flakes commercials. You watch theyou know whatever commercial was on, and
then you watch the show that meantthat you part compart to mentalize your show
(47:35):
and then what was advertising in frontof you, and then your show again.
Right now you have your show andthat's it. So you can fast
forward what is supposed to be infront of you, not realizing that you're
not breaking up or you're breaking up, but yeah, what you want versus
(47:57):
what they're trying to give you.So when it comes full circle, if
if you get an ad on YouTube, what do you do? You hit
skip if you can, so youyou're not gonna You're not gonna take in
the thing that you don't want.You're taking in what you want. Pause.
(48:21):
So that's the reason why you're gettingpeople that tension span is very small
because you're giving them what they wantand not what they don't want. What
are we talking about again? Butit makes sense though if you really think
about it. But because back inthe day you had to you had to
(48:42):
consume it all if you watch theshow, you had to consume what you
wanted and what you didn't want.Now you don't have to consume what you
don't want because you have that skipbutton or that fast hold. There's nothing
like that run from the bathroom thatlike you're trying to you're in depth in
a movie that that only comes ononce a week and like it brand new
show comes on, like say,every Tuesday night at eight o'clock, commercial
(49:04):
break, run into the bathroom,real quick run back for the commercial break
stops, y'all don't have that?Yeah right, go quick service, some
quick to eat. Listen out theshow to come back on. But real,
right now you have the pause buttonright, but right now you got
you can take it to the bathroomwith you. You know what, you
know what, you know what?I still cable too. Bro Table was
a big part of my life,like one of my I guess youthful memories
(49:29):
or one of my I guess likeplaces. The piece that I think about
is every night for dinner time,around like seven pm, I will put
the TV on The Simpsons perfectly intime so that I could see the opening
that was different every episode in thebeginning. And I was like, you
know that, when I think ofhappiness, it's like, yeah, family,
haven't dinner watching the Simpsons, youknow what I mean? As bad
(49:50):
as that might sound some some people, you know, some people think what
resonates with me was Matt Locke comingon and going, damn, I gotta
go to bed now it's nine o'clockten o'clock when Matlock came on on Living
Color. As soon as I heardLiving Color came on, I was like,
can I please stay up? Yep? See what I'm saying. Like,
(50:10):
you couldn't just watch it when youwant it. You had to consume
it when you want when when itwas on. You know how many makes
it different? You know how manyass swoopings I got just trying to watch
SmackDown Bro and Raw what. Well, back then it was an hour or
two hours off. Yeah, thenit would just come on kind of late.
I didn't agree with my nine o'clock, nine o'clock to ten, and
(50:34):
my mom will come in like ninethirty like turn it off, and I'm
like, ma, you know weget into the pinnacle of tonight's episode.
Ye, can I watch? That'ssometimes it's interesting span of music still has
a play into it. Yeah,for sure, because you you gotta keep
them captivating. You can't, youcan't go hold on, We'll be back
(51:00):
with this bar after this. That'sa new freestyle. That's a new freestyle,
isn't it? Is that what theydo? Freestyle one line, two
line, and then then you gottawait for the crowd joke right, and
then you go back one or twobars. I hate when they do that.
Do that? What the hell that? That's one of the reasons why
(51:22):
you can't do oh man. Butyeah, no, I definitely feel like,
yeah, lyricists are definitely not gettingit. But I guess it has
always been like that in a sense. You have a few, like major
success stories like Eminem, and let'sbe real, Eminem was black, he
(51:43):
probably wouldn't have got so much notorietyfor it because look at big El,
even though it's was short lived,one of the best lyricists actually, who
knows, who knows where big Eelwould have landed at. You know,
So I got a question for bothof your life because I just I just
heard this question. The fact thatyou brought up big El kind of ties
into it. Why does every deadrapper have to be a legend because they're
(52:04):
now I think it's more like apeople you know what I mean. It's
it's like people were looking forward toprojects from them in the future. So
like for Xxx, for example,who passed away, I'm not gonna lie.
I didn't listen to a lot ofhis stuff. I didn't really even
(52:24):
start working with Xxxton until he droppeda music video because I wasn't even working
with a song. He had thesong called look at Me and he's like
I can't keep on digging my handsor some shit like that, and it
was just a song that I waslike, this ain't me is a little
this almost feels rock and rollish.But when I saw the video for that
(52:45):
song, and I'm not gonna saywhat it was, it was it was
controversial video. It was like hehe hung a little white kid for the
video. The kid was an actor. Obviously the parents approved, so it
was it was, you know,it was a statement being made, and
that's what made me really look atthe kid, like, damn, there's
something more to you than I can'tkeep out thinking of my pants, Like
there's there's layers. You know,the ignorance is on the outside, but
(53:07):
there's a message that you want toget out. There's something in there that
wants to be deep. And sowhen you see somebody like that pass away,
especially young people like pop Smoke,people like big El, people like
Big Pun, you know, whenthese people die young, you think about
all the potential that they had,all the things that they had going for
(53:29):
themselves, where they came from wherethey were at when they passed away,
and you know, it leaves thatwondering and then you realize, like these
people that seem invincible, that arebigger than life, they're really human beings.
You know, they could really goat any minute, just like the
rest of us. You know,nobody's nobody's guaranteed anything. So I think
a lot of people see that andyou know it turns into a damn like
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this guy was a legend, thisguy was you know, it's like a
respect thing I think it is.Yeah, I don't really hold them on
a upper echelon. I don't putthem in the top categories. But there
are a couple that, you know, do go down as legends, like
Big I was being one of them, you know, Pop Biggie. There's
(54:15):
just just to name a few offthe top ahead. Those are the ones
that had, you know, haven'timpact like Nipsey nip hus So, like
I said, people that had impacton certain you know, areas and you
know music and people It affected andtransformed music as we know it. That's
how I put them in U asone of the greats, and because of
(54:37):
what they did for the hip hopculture. But with that being said,
ladies and gentlemen, they can forjoining us on real people off the record.
J just chilling tone, death ofFlorida, Tony D and show he
had to go quickly. See youpiece,
Mmmm. Two hours later, yep, pretty much. Ladies and gentlemen,
(00:33):
welcome another episode of real People offthe record. Everybody, what's good?
What up? What up? Yo? As always, I got Jay just
chilling to my left blo and wegot show what's going on? The struggle
is real. The struggle is real. We started, we were supposed to
start to shoot two hours ago.But technology, we do a lot behind
(00:57):
the scenes to make this work rightnow, a couple of weeks off.
But Jesus, Jesus, the Devilis alive. We are in the new
studio right now. We're not setup yet fully as you see it.
Look, you see a little ofthe foam over here. I'm actually we're
actually in the vocal engineering room rightnow. So I don't have anything set
(01:19):
up in here. Yeah, soI just set up the podcast in here
so we can actually get going.But this room is gonna be changing too,
So don't get don't fall in lovewith this room because we're not there
yet. Big things happening over,big things happen. We're supposed to be
opening September first September first, gota Vocal Boost studio. It's pretty much
the studio. It is bigger thanmy bedroom, just saying huge. So
(01:45):
she can't wait to break that thingin. Yeah she did she say that
too? Does she say that?Christ? You guys said, you guys,
are we a little too much therefor your show? Are we a
little too much? Yeah we are? Yeah we are good. Listen,
don't don't make me bring out thefolds and chair. Oh anyway, that's
(02:09):
out to Montgomery. So Jay,just chilling? What up? What up?
What do we got going on today? It's gonna discuss some things like
what you know a little couple oflittle hip hop topics. I like to
call them hip hopics. Actually thatstop stop learning marketing right there at the
ton. We got your hip hopicscoming at you right now. So we're
(02:31):
gonna have to talk about trademarking andall that. If it's not done yet.
Yeah, we'll talk about that hiphopics. So what hip hopic you
got going on? One thing?I wanted to talk what's racking your brain?
What is the most y'all would payfor a single verse from somebody?
(02:52):
If you were if you were rich, if you were an artist, you
had label support. Let's just saymoney wasn't the object. Who were going
after anybody. I'll give you afavorite. What's the most to would pay
for sixteen bars? For sixteen Let'ssay jay Z. Let's say jay Z
the most will pay. I'd givehim a meal. You give him a
(03:15):
meal? He would give j Mel? Yeah? Yeah, just to be
on the track, because I'll getthat in tenfold right back. So this
is this is my question to you, right, would you give ludacrous Mel?
Hell? Yeah, I wouldn't actuallybe nice. I wouldn't give a
million, but everybody, you know, I love me some Luda, but
(03:38):
his pull ain't what it used tobe, all right, So how much
you give a Luda? I don'tgive him a kind of grant? Yeah
he's getting right now. I don'tknow. I don't know what Luda's get
right now because I haven't haven't doneanything, look like recently. No,
(03:59):
yeah, I haven't heard anything fromI mean, I think I did see
him. I don't know how recentit was, but he did do like
a little promo verse that I saw. The reason I asked, though,
it is because my guy, andI call him my guy, even though
he tends to embarrass himself and hisfans. And did you hear that verse?
Wasn't even sixteen. No, itwas twelve. It might have been
(04:21):
like twenty. It wasn't even wastwelve. To get a Black got a
million dollars for a Verse? Hedid it, but go ahead, let's
talk about it. That got amillion dollars for Verse? Did you see
a long that song? Not eventhree minutes long? That whole song,
and he's got three people on thatphone. I haven't even listened to the
(04:42):
whole song, if I'm gonna behonest with you. I heard his little
clip where he was kind of likecoming at six nine a little or not
really coming opened up with that.He opened I got a rat paying me
or something like. I thought itwas cool. No, no, he
said. I forgot who was talkingat. But he was saying, you
lost your girl to a snitch orsomething like, because this girl is on
the track and that used to beanother dude's girl. Yeah, I think
(05:06):
he's a so. I think he'sbeefing with Reggaet Throne rappers. Now I
think it's Annuel or one of themdudes. Yeah, six nine beefing with
he stole somebody's girlfriend now in PuertoRico. You know he's six nine is
beefing with everybody ever stop it unlessyou got a million. But the billion
dollars really have a million? Iwas, I was gonna say, you're
(05:29):
better make sure that checked on bounce, but to make sure, I'm sure,
you know, it's probably label money. Maybe he's got I don't think
he's still signed. Is he stillin the label drop? I'm pretty sure
he's still signed. I think he'sstill He's been doing reggae throne music.
He's gonna switch a lot of stuffup ever since. He's a lot of
self destruction and plosion and for sometime he switched a lot of things up,
you know, loyalty. I justthought it was crazy. A million
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dollars for one birds. Yeah,I mean him gets that. I would
honestly not for sixteen it. Amillion dollars is a good price to sell
out if I'm gonna do a versewith a snitch A million dollars. Yeah,
but now no one's gonna respect himbefore. But right, so he
was up and coming, but codecssolidified not anymore? Nah, Yeah he
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straight? What's that? This isthe problem? Right? That's just like
someone signing on to do with rKelly song and the song is called p
on me happened. So this isthe problem, right, And I don't
mean to get philosophical on y'all andwhatnot. But so you're saying a million
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dollars you would do a song witha snitz, So that means you have
a price to do whatever not whatever? B Yeah, price, yeah for
sure, not whatever though, Likethat's whatever wouldn't you do for a million
dollars? Shit, I wouldn't killnobody for a minute. Yeah, I
wouldn't kill nobody for a million dollars? Is that is that the end?
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All? Say? Off? Imean, no, of course not.
I'm not you know, I'm notdoing nothing gay for a million dollars.
Bro, I would not. I'vegot to come with at least two know
what I'm saying. Wait wait,no, no, no, no,
but how I'm just joking, Hey, listen to do a song with a
snitch? I got a price forme to to fuck with a OP or
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somebody that I wouldn't really Yeah,you pat the number ship. I've come
through fucking but no, there's certainthings I'm not gonna do. I'm not
gonna coach on some bullshit that Idon't believe in for any p. So
you haven't heard the song, you'renot. I honestly haven't heard the whole
I heard the whole song, andif you can call it that, it
was guys, I bet six nine. I haven't been known for yeah.
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But but but you know, youryour boy Kodak. He's supposed to be
like that, the anchor. Youknow, he's supposed to be the put
it to another level. That's whyyou paid him a million dollar because he's
like, I need to be herelike no, no, listen, Kodak
caught his bag and took it inran with it. But no, I
can't tell you whether you're saying he'snot making a million off other songs that
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he's doing. Hell no, no, Kodak for a feature, I mean
millions do Like I think he cameout of prison and got like a four
million dollars deal or two million dollarsdeal or something like that. So yeah,
I know he's got some bread.But you know, all that stuff
gott to get paid back anyway.So yeah, bread true. I'm I'm
gonna go on record and say milliondollars not enough for for that, No,
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for anything. No, I don'tthink you couldn't pay me million dollars
to be on a song or sixtimes. You can pay me at six
nine. Listen, I'm gonna sendme my email. You just contact me,
hit your people. But you knowwhy he did it. He wanted
his cloud, yeah yeah, ohyeah, yeah, he wanted a DA
cloud. Yeah, he wanted hewanted to get respect back. No,
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it's yeah, no, he's simillion dollars. So the only person that
hurt was Kodak. Now, noone's gonna want him as a feature.
I think his stock is going togo. I think, how much do
you think receiving a million dollars reallyhurts? I don't think he hurts.
I mean, I bet you've gota lot of Sure, I'm sure he's
got a lot of comments and peopletalking ship and stuff like that. But
how what how does he guys howmany cars? As a Kodak fan?
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I still well, if you dropthe whole album side to the flip side,
why doesn't Bobby Schmurder have people behindhim? What you mean on ten
toes? Oh? Yeah? No? What you mean though, like why
he doesn't have a success, whyhe came out of jail, He hasn't
done nothing. He've got a coupleof tracks. It's just they're not they're
not really doing nothing. Honestly,if I'm being completely honest with Bobby Smurder,
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have nine have have the cloud thathe's getting and a man that did
his eight years, he had likeeight for eight on the billboards. Bro,
six nine made a way more moneythan Bobby Schmurder touched, which music
which drives me insane. It drivesme insane. Yes, money off any
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of this guage. Yeah, I'mgonna be honest with you. I was
watching the sixth nine movement, butit was damn sure. It wasn't for
the music. I just you know, you see him talking all that shit
was I was doing what everybody It'slike watching a car accident. You just
want to see what happens. Bro, you don't want to see it,
but you want to see what happens. Yeah, but you can't give like.
This is my problem with the musicindustry now is that people are putting
so much into emphasis into you know, pretty much train recks. People are
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watching train recks in the music industryright now, and it's like like we're
we're what are we doing. We'renot watching anything with talent, We're not
watching anything we're seeing how how muchcan this fuck up? That's literally what
we're watching. Yeah, that's exactlyit, especially when it came to six
nine. That's exactly what it was. It was like watching watching the train,
just a runaway train track. Wego back to the original question,
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is it worth for a million dollars? Because, like I said, to
track with six nine, Yeah,that'll affect your career moving forward, Like,
yeah, a million dollars, greatmoney, now no other What happens
if nobody else in the music industrywants to do a track with you because
you just did a track with sixtimes, Yeah, is it worth the
meal? I don't think that wouldbe the case, though, Bro,
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I don't think the end of thegame is that petty, you know what
I mean. You might make alot of enemies, for sure. You're
probably gonna have like a lot ofpeople that was fucking not fucking with six
nine gonna not be fucking with you. But I don't think nobody's gonna be
like, oh, Code got amillion dollars from six nine and did a
verse. Nah, Bro, theycould drop him hard, not hard,
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guarantee guarantee you not Codex done somuch dumb couple, Bro, he's done
so much dumb ship, Like,okay, nothing can stink. First off,
his last prison charge, he wentin there for something his boy did
in his rental car. Yeah,he took the cha that you get respect
from people from that. This Hewas facing about like he's probably gonna be
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locked up for a minute, andhe got pardoned by Donald Trump. God
is in I don't know God orthat Haitian voodoo. I don't know,
but Kodak is but less in theindustry. You lose respect, I mean,
you gain respect from that ship,you lose respect for them go in
the opposite. It's like literally thespectrum. Yeah no, there's definitely some
backlash for it, but I don'tthink it's gonna affect him, you know.
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I think it's just gonna be peoplegive some people to talk about anything,
like if anything, negative reaction,positive reaction. It's all publicity at
the end of the day, youknow. So it might have been that
Kodak was getting a little quiet.This might be a little yeah, people
talking shit about him. But thenhe follows it up with another project with
somebody like I don't know, likeDak coming back from this. I don't
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think he ever even fell off.Bro, I think he's straight honestly as
long as he stay. When didthe song get released? But I didn't
say he fell off. I justsay he's not coming back from this.
He's not gonna get another feature.Oh I thought we lost you for us
at the show TV. Yeah,he's not getting another feature. They were
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big could not fall off. Buthe's not coming back from this. He
went from here, not now.He's no codex got respect. Look,
one of the only features on Kendrick'salbum Code Black. Yeah. This is
yeah, but it don't Matter's whatI'm saying. Don't these people don't like
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it's a million dollars, BROI togive on what you're saying. That means
this whole industry is fake in hisway. But no respect, no,
no loyalty, no nothing, butwhy that's basically what you're you're co signing.
He split a verse for him.He didn't say, Yo, I'm
gonna go commack to I'm gonna gocommit conspiracy with nah. He just so
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the verse right, you j right, right. If a dude goes and
snitched on half a Tampa, right, you're gonna hire him? Fuck?
No, that's Tampa this is theUnited States code. Got paid. That's
what I'm saying. If a manskached on half a Tampa and paid.
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Okay, let me say, Letme say, R Kelly comes out of
jail, right, fuck R Kelly. Her Kelly comes out of jail.
About the children. R Kelly comesout of jail. He pays you one
million, two million dollars. You'redoing a verse for him. I got
nothing nice for I don't have nothingnice to say about six nine neither,
because six nine is this questionable asI'm not seeing any differences. Listen,
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a million dollars. I just toldyou two million dollars for Kelly. Yeah,
he's five million dollars girls, fivemillion dollars, five ten millions.
Put Takashi put people behind bars,Yo, you'd be surprised how many rappers
put people behind bars. I wouldlove to know it me too. But
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if we start pulling paperwork out,I mean, how many rappers don't put
people behind ball? I feel thatI feel that I was actually listening to
Joy in the check. Let meknow what you guys feel about this conversation.
Does Kodak Black get a pass no? Because he did this song with
six nine or his Kodak stalk aboutto go down like a Hunts point.
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Now, do me a favor.Watch all of the reactions to that song
and the commentary on that song,and that's that's your answer right there.
But people that's talking, that's thething that's and that's always been the thing
with six nine. Nobody ever listenedto this. And there was a couple
of songs where he was like,it was like, all right, I
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can do this, but if you'reyou're seeing it from six nine side six
nine is always about that life.Yeah he was. He was calling this
way kind of was the same thingthough, But I think I think Kodak
straight man, you will be honestwith you. Next month we'll talk about
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what else we got. What elsewe got? Well, I guess it
was a good transition we could.I wanted to talk about while we were
on the topic of rappers putting peoplein jail, I want to talk about
drugs and hip hop hand the FEDERALISI, Okay, do they go hand in
hand as far as there's what gohand in hand? Do you think drugs
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run hip hop? Do you thinkthe Feds are a little too hard on
hip hop? Or do you thinkthe Feds should be that hard on hip
hop. One. I think alot of it, as we know in
our industry, it's a lot ofit's a facade. A lot of them
ain't about that life. A lotof them ain't about that life. That's
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very true. So, like Isaid, it's all like, it's all
all up the side, like likefor Cribs, they were renting houses,
they were, you know, rentingcars for MTV Cribs and shit, that's
literally what it's about. So Idon't think you know, the people that
think they're about the life, youend up with it. Tasha six nine.
That's that's how we end up withthis ship. Yeah, because of
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people think this is real and he'sthen he was like, no, I
hate about that life. I'll stitchit. That's when you realize it's real.
That's that's how you end up withthat personally. That's how That's how
I look at it. That isthat's very true. But I'm not going
to discredit all the hip hop becausethere's definitely no, no, no,
there's a lot of people about thatlife. I'm not dropping no names,
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and please let's let's try to refrainfrom holding back dropping because I don't want
nobody being like all these guys inthe next Academics or DJ Bladder. No,
that's not what I want. I'mjust academics ahead, yeah, because
I mean academics got a lot moreviews, and he's got to show a
similar name mix. So my god, the one nice but no. Yeah,
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but there's a lot of them aboutthat life and a lot of a
lot of people started out that wayon the street quarters, you know,
spitting their rhymes and shit, andthen you know, selling selling weed and
coke, and you know that ship, especially in the early nineties, nineties
for late eighties shit, that's whereyou know hip hop started after that whole
blackout like a lot of people,don't get wrong, New York City Blackout,
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yes, and that that's that wasthe birth of hip hop in New
York City because all this expensive equipmentwas getting in the hands of talent,
people with talent, so you know, and people you know, all sold
all that lot of that too forlike drugs and shit like that. So
you know that I think it doesgo not hand in hand, but it
has similar roots or the same routethat you know it grew from. So
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what I think personally, Yeah,I think nobody moved more drugs into this
country than the government. Right,I agree, nobody. Nobody's doing any
of that. Nobody's going to guatemalagain. Cocaine, Nobody's doing none of that.
Ship bro, that's like take linesfrom movies and just claim cocaine in
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America. That's what CIA stands for. My point is, let me tell
you I think I think from Ohyeah, I got to let me just
wrap this up real quick this pointbefore. I I think the Feds have
a hand in hip hop as wellas far as they want. They want
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certain people to blow up, Theywant certain people to influence everybody. They
want certain people to look like theygot the money and the jewels so that
they could have the influence, sothat they could they want to keep everybody
in a state of idiots, youknow what I mean, where it's like,
all right, we're gonna show themall the wrong values in life.
So what they do is they findthemselves a successful drug dealer and they put
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them on on him, and youknow, they get that, they get
that talk to We're actually gonna circleback to this topic next month after something's
happened. Because this I literally havea whole segment on it on the specific
thing that we're speaking about. Sowe'll we'll circle back that to next week,
but we go ahead finished. Ididn't mean to interrupt, but yeah,
that's cool. I like talking tosubject. I've been watching a lot
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of shows and stuff lately. Butyeah, yeah, I think that the
FEDS and and you know, youknow, the powers that be definitely have
a hand and who does that.They want people out there selling drugs and
they wanted to be aimed at theinner city, so they know that,
you know, the best way todo that is to put the dope boy
on the rap charts, you knowwhat I mean. Make sure he's and
make sure he's doing good. AndI think a lot of these these dope
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dealers, man, they don't evenrealize. Yeah, they're being played,
yoused, you'd be surprised. Someof them are playing that fiddle too.
Some of them are playing them.So my thing is this, right,
Your favorite rapper is actually talking abouthis favorite drug dealer. Oh yeah,
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he's not really out there. LikeNas is so respected in hip hop that
he always if you go to hisearly music, he says he's been looking
out the window. He never didanything but he's so respected that he doesn't
have to do anything because he's thestoryteller behind it. Right back in when
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when drugs you know, you wantto talk about drugs. I mean,
I've been around certain people like wesaid, we're not gonna say anything.
But back in the day art peopledidn't have passports. Ain't nobody on the
block had a passport. Don't nobodyin on the block knows somebody from medi
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ying or wherever that they can getto coke, plant from or know how
to make cocaine they make here inthe States. They may crack, yeah,
because there were certain ways that was. But ain't. No, we
didn't bring guns into this. Wedidn't bring weed into this. We didn't
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bring none of this since it you'reabsolutely a thousand percent right, the government
controls it all. Now the governmentis making weed legal because they realize that
we're gonna make that money. Regardless. I'm willing to bet in a few
years they're willing to make probably cokelegal too, to a certain extent,
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the same way they're doing weed.Right now. You can do this,
you can do that. Whatever criminalizein Washington State. That's what I mean.
So that's what I mean like ain'tno, ain't nobody bringing yo.
If you look up cocaine cowboys.Yeah, they made a distribution where they
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had pilots, They had people onon on the Belize side and the Colombian
side and on this side. Butfor the most part, Bro, that
was rare. So Yeah, Ibelieve the government is extorting our people by
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planting certain things in here. AndI also believe that the government is empowering
certain people to bring in certain thingsto control the narrative of what's going on
here. If you look up likeBumpy Johnson, Frank Lucas, those are
guys from back in you know,sixties, fifties, forties. If you
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look up the Godfather Hollow, BumpyJohnson was friends with with Malcolm X.
He actually protected Malco. He wasa well known drug dealer. He was
a friend with Adam Clayton Powell.His wife worked for Adam Clayton Powell.
These are all political figures. Theyall knew what Mumpy Johnson was doing,
what he was about. He wasbringing in. Back then, they called
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a dougie right now, you know, young people call a dog food,
but it's heroin. They were bringingheroin in. Yeah, ain't nobody.
Ain't nobody making heroin here in theUnited States. We don't know the mixology
of it, the chemistry behind it. We know how to sell it,
which is still not good. Butalcohol you've never wanted. Yeah, same,
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the same thing. That's what I'msaying. Like, but breaking bad
is mess. That's the same thing, like and and I don't want to
get like black and white with it. It's just I'm saying with what Jay
said is I'm saying the government isbringing that in through other people that are
a hierarchy, let's say, andthen they're selling it to the next hierarchy
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that is giving it to the nextand the next, you know, so
forth. But man, ain't noneof us got passed. I mean,
we got passports now because we're youknow, gaining some. But back in
the day, bro, ain't nobodygot passports back then, Ain't nobody got
passports. Yeah, we're all We'reall getting it from somebody that has a
connection overseas. Now, I'll dothis respect where Frank Lucas, which was
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the driver for Bumpy Johnson, heexpanded it because his brother in law went
overseas to fight the war, andthen they used to bring all the extra
shit on the bodies. Yeah,that's some foul ship. But your your
local drug dealer or your local rappernever was a it's not really a rapper
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or your your rappers not really adrug dealer. His man is a drug
dealer, and they're investing in himbecause he It's just like anything else on
the block. At least when Iwas growing up. If you were good
at baseball, you were good atbasketball, you were good at football,
and the drug dealer kept you outof trouble because he wanted you to succeed.
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If you're good at music and you'regood at this you know music,
shit, you're gonna keep you sure, make sure you succeed, but you're
still gonna have to pay them back. And the paidback is clean their money,
Yeah, which is not which isthe nazes of the world. And
I'm not you know then, Iknow I'm I'm affiliated with queens, but
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but it's just it's everybody like youknow what I mean, It's like I
got more than you talk about thiswhole topic, like it said, next
book and ladies and gentlemen. Idon't believe Jay Z sold anything a day
in his life. No, no, nah, no, Nah. They
talk about head shark, tanks andship in his house before he was even
rapping. I don't I don't believejay Z in his walls. And now
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if you want to talk about hehad dast five sixty say street, five
sixty six street, that's what hesays, talk talk. All right,
let's let's let's see jay Z giveme a top five rappers that you think
actually did something in the streets that'sactually a rapper. Now, all right,
jay Z? For sure? No, go ahead. And I'm not
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saying no because I know I'm sayingI just don't believe it. I don't
know. This feels like snitching,bro. I don't know if I want
to keep doing this. No,I just thought about it. This motherfucker
did something. I don't know,Bro. I will say this though,
I do think that there are alot of rappers that actually do do it.
I do think that what you're sayingis the case most of the times.
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I think a lot of these peoplewould like to take I mean,
look at Rick Ross stole a wholeman's fucking identity, bro, Like,
so what have you brought that up? I'll give you my top five Ross,
Rick Ross because he'd be teaching wealth. He'll be teaching well, I'll
jump out the window. Rick Rossnever did none of that. He was
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a CEO. He was a goodkid in prisons too, though, I
will say that drugs sold in prison. No, that's fine, Jada Kiss,
he can do none of that.He's seen it. Do you think
so? I mean, I don'tknow, but I feel like Jadakiss probably
still doing some shit. Okay,he never been to jail before. Who's
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the only person in that whole groupthat's ever been to jail? It Styles
st is the only person I've beento jail. So what do you think
Jada's talking off of? Yeah?Yeah, Jada just has a better way
of articulating it, which Styles doestoo, but Styles don't want to implement
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himself. And Jada says, Inever did a jail. I never did
a day on in jail. Hesays it in his rhymes. Yeah,
I mean that jail jail doesn't reallyvalidate what what you got going on.
But I do feel you though,I do feel you, Deely, You're
gonna get caught. Eventually, You'regonna get called. Everybody gets hurt.
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I've been away, not always somepeople are smart every black and if you're
lucky not to get caught, Godbless you. You know. I love
that song Black in America by theBacks, but I think that's what's called
black in America. Hold on,I'm glad you just said that. You
just brought up another point. Geezoh yeah, geez Jeez has been on
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record right now saying throughout the wholetime he said he was selling drugs,
he was actually uh buying subway sandwichesto make sure he had enough money to
do what he was saying. He'son record saying that now. I'm sorry,
called filthy of America. My thingis, And I'm just saying this.
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If I was a former drug dealerand I know that certain crimes have
certain statutes of limitations, I woulddefinitely say that ship too. I'd be
like, yeah, no, Iwas definitely just rapping about the guy down
the street. I ain't never didnone of that at all that I used
to work at burder. But thestatual limitations on drug dealing is different than
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murder. Well, there is nostatute of limitations on murder like at all,
correct, but there's statue of limitationon drug dealing. Yeah, but
this is talking about. It's onlywhat about forty years old. He's probably
been committing crimes, allegedly, probablytill he was like somebody like him.
I'm not saying, jeez, Idon't know. I really don't know what
he's up to, but somebody likehim, you know, probably be committing
crimes up to like thirty five.That gives me six times I've ever committed
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in my life and nobody could convictme. I'm not saying I'm going to,
just saying I was gonna say thesame, the worst they're gonna That's
all I used to do. That'sthe only crime. But I could.
I could because all the statue oflimitations is up except for one. But
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its point. Yeah, we gota bus. I didn't say it,
he didn't say it. I didn'tsay what it was. But like Depp
killed somebody and he was good.He signed to bad Boy. He had
special delivery. If y'all really wantto get into it, my cousin is
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the one that made the special delivery. Be I like that. So they'll
bring him on the show. Bro. It's good. Me and my cousin
will get along. But anyway,but now, above all of that let's
let's that's it. It ate atg depth so much in his brain that
he went to the cops and said, yep, I did this, and
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they had to charge him because hesaid he did it. I'm a lot
of eto the exactly exactly correct.But now you get into rappers that I
think that really did some some somethings in the streets. Fifty cent fifty
cent really move some things, yeah, you know what I mean. Jim
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Jones, Yeah he really did somethings. Bro. It's like French Montana
definitely did something. I was there, you know what I mean. So,
like you get into that and it'slike I'm just playing cops. But
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no, Yeah, there's definitely alot of real rappers in the game.
And there's there's a lot of shitton of Baker Ones bro like out there.
That's funny. So my thing iswhat else we got? What else
we got? I mean like theyspeaking all that like I just like I
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said, I think it's a lotof it is a big facade. I
think a lot of the modern rappersright now are in that life because I
think they do their own ship andthat reflects in their music. And I
think that these are the kids thatthe real drug dealers sold to And I
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really think that's the problem one ofthe problems with current you know, hip
hop or you know, just wrapnow, because I think these kids and
these this new generation is just messedup on everything that's going on. And
I think they say it with crackbabies. Just say it. I mean,
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I wasn't gonna say it. Andyou're putting yourself into that. You
said, yep, I've been hearingit all my life. I was going
I was born in the crack babyear although my mother never did cray.
Yeah, I stand by that good. But you know, also, you
know, the food and stuff actuallyaffects you too. But that's that's another
the conversation that will have for anotherday, which actually we can bring into
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you know, the hood because wedidn't get the best food back then.
We got the ship and the stick. We didn't get the nice white people
good meals at at private school.We got some box of cheap ass you
know brand flakes and maybe that fakeass milk. You know what. I
will say that we did have asfar as food that was way better in
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the hood than you can get atany of uh these white chop milk deli
sandwiches, sandwiches. Bro, noteven publics can fuck with a nice New
York City corner store sandwich. Idon't know. White House Ups is pretty
good Atlantic City. Not touching,not touching, look it up, look
it up. I'll take it tothe ox on my block. Bro looking
(34:46):
at White House Ups. Bet,look that up. You gotta go in
there. You gotta talk to themwith confidence. You can't be in there
like please, white House US worldfamous. Let me get a bacon eggacy,
put that bits on a roll,please, Even when I said please,
wait, girl, I actually thisis good. I've never been to
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a publics ever. But I've neverbeen inside of a publics. Have you
never actually physically been in Florida?Are you even here right now? I'm
a holocrap. I have a holograph. What do you mean You've never been
in public? I've never been intoa public. First off, pub subs
are gas as fuck. They're nottouching an NYC Deli's corner holds. Subs
(35:31):
are a thing. Pub subs area thing. To the point where I
told my girl, which is nevershe never lived. Yeah, both met
my girl. She's never lived outsideof New York City, So I could
have U Florida a couple of yearsago, where we were still dating and
all that. I was like,Yo, pump subs this this thing.
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She was just like, yeah,whatever, Bro. Every time we go
to Florida now she's like, sowe're getting a pup sub public. See,
I don't. I don't like.I mean, I've had a pub
sub. Someone brought me one.I just never been inside of publics.
But I wasn't too impressed with theirpub sub because you didn't order it.
(36:13):
Yeah, you gotta watch them makeit. It's different. No, it's
not even put into it. Yeah, I'll show some order. You ordered
a pub sub off of what youthink. You want to understand what's not
what's in front of people? Yeah, subway, you gotta see the options.
Man. It's like when you goto cold Stoning. You're not gonna
go there blind, lactose, tolerant. It's like, it's like, right,
(36:36):
and and I hope none of ourgirls are watching right now. If
y'all are just tune out for fiveseconds, it's like, you know what
you like in your girl, right, you have a type? Then you
go into a brothel. Now,bro, you gonna pick what's in front
of you. What you like there? Yeah, all of a sudden,
you be like dag maybe if it'sthere. But if it's there, I'm
(37:02):
a I'm a pickyuck me too.I love my wife and my wife only.
I love my wife too. WhatI'm saying like, yo, unless
(37:25):
you know what's in front of youand you got the option, you might
and if you catch stick to thescript, but you might add something on
it. I got the potato wedgestoo. They got some good hot food.
Did you know he's talking about I'mnot co signing that hot wings?
(37:45):
You know I don't do wings either. I don't. I don't. I'm
not a fan of wings. Idon't. I don't like like I don't
know. It's just not enough meatfor me, like I don't. It's
just not yo. I don't getit, Paul that pause, pause,
I don't need to pause. I'mperfectly fined in my sexuality. After you
(38:08):
though, that's what That's what mycousin said about too many. You gotta
eat too many to get anything outof it. I was talking about cousins.
I'm like, he's like crab asa decent. He's like, you
just gotta work so hard for alittle piece of Yeah, it's like lobster
too. Lopster too for a littlepiece of crab. See, but no
lobster. Should I have surf notthat long? But that ship was,
(38:29):
Oh my god, I'm so long, and then like a lot. Nowadays
the wings are fucking small. They'relike this big, like what is that
gonna does? It? Was expensive? Wings are right now to buy his
restaurant. Yeah, they're delicacy.Now it's not ridiculous. Wings used to
be the scraped so we used todo fifty cents awake at the Chinese spot.
(38:52):
You get a win, right,yeah, the please forgive me the
retarded leg, the actual wing andthen the leg. Right, that's one
wing in New York. In Jersey, I'm pretty sure it's the same,
right, Yeah, in the Chinesespot down here in Maryland. Oh,
(39:13):
they break the pieces up and theythat have they take away the rest that
have of one wing is actually twowings now where it be wing house?
You know, uh, hooters,the Chinese spot whatever. So y'all chipping
us and then y'all charging us more. But you know what it's seeing you
(39:37):
never thought about that over here.It's still not enough to fill me up.
I need a whole ticket. Ineed the breast, I need the
legs, I need I need allthat just to fill. I'm just saying,
yeah, your girl, your girls, your girls thick. Isn't she
got a fat ass? They needto know that. You mean to say
(40:00):
you got a bad ass. Wellyou heard it here first, folks.
She's not thick. No, she'snot, she's not. She she got
Yeah, I'm not I'm not askingabout your girl. And you heard in
your first folks, tony one descriptivething ever. I was trying to like,
(40:22):
I don't get it. We wentso far off music. I don't
even know where we're at anymore.You no food is about you know,
music too English? Popeye's music tomy ears right now? Oh man?
What else we got? Jay?So we were talking about I guess dope
boys and rappers and stuff like that. And this is this is a thing
(40:45):
that always gets me going because italways seems to me that dope boy music
always seems to get the more morecommercial, more more like more success than
over lyricism. So like the JI D S, the J. Cole
well you know, the dream billsversus like the cmgs and s for our
(41:06):
for our audience breakdown what you knowwhat that would be? What? What?
What? A dope boy? Rap? What? What? What?
Somebody described somebody like young Dolf restin peace? Somebody like I mean,
names are not helping. What's thewhat's the Somebody who raps about selling drugs?
You know what I mean? Somebodywho's like, oh this came up,
this is what I do? Youknow, hit me up? I
(41:27):
got him for the low, youknow what I mean. Whether they're doing
it or not, it's their business. Again, I don't want to get
into it. Yeah, but Ithink I feel like those rappers are doing
a lot better lately, maybe youknow, overall time, than than like
lyricists, you know, for themost part. You got But that goes
to my conversation I just had.I literally said, this current generation is
literally the ones doing the drugs thatyou know, our generation was selling.
(41:52):
And that's literally and then they justtook it and ran with it and they
started producing and selling it. Soyeah, that's why it's popular right now
because that's literally the whole the wholemodern music. I don't think I'm saying
it, but I think that Ithink that helps out with it. Right,
So It's been said on this podcastplenty of times. Me and tone
(42:15):
are are different age than Jay.Yeah, what was the decade? Me
and tones age definitely came up onthe selling error. Yes, Jay's age
came up on the doing error.Na the adventurous time. I was ninety
two, man, we still hadwe had hustlers in my era. But
(42:37):
yeah, surely saying you did it, but you you experimented more. Whatever
did? Shrooms are awesome? Youshould try shroom show my point exactly.
So I say that to say thisnow, being that y'all experimented more,
(42:58):
you got the other people, let'ssay that are from Beverly Hills and everything
that never experienced just a wife forbeing a hustler, right right, But
they want to know what it isto live that way, the same way.
(43:21):
Easy and Day made it popular becausethey were telling a certain story from
from a certain area, and everybodyfelt that story. But the people that
didn't know that story also felt likethey were a part of it. I
(43:43):
feel like it's almost the same whereeven if you're doing drugs, you might
feel like a hustler if you listento the music, or if you're if
you're just out in you know,fucking Wichita, Kansas. You'll be like,
oh, this is what it's likeliving in the inner city. By
(44:04):
listening to so and so, itjust kills me. That guy. I
feel like the hustlers get more recognitionthan the lyricists because the lyricists, let's
be honest, ain't nobody in LebronJames Charter School have passed tess in what
they say eight years So damn ChellsHall Lebron. I'm just saying stupid.
(44:31):
Is it stupid? Does so ifyou're listening to certain things and you can't
apply it, I mean, yeah, it is what it is. I
mean. Also, the comprehension levelis a lot different too, like any
attention span, why do you thinksongs are a lot shorter now? And
also they're gotting full sentences, likelike fucking don't finish that sentence, sone,
(44:55):
They're not gonna listen. That's good, that's good. But yeah,
definitely there's no there's no storytellers likeyou and you see it too, because
a lot of songs are blowing upoff TikTok and all of that. So
it's like people's attention spans is reallyshort down for like ten to fifteen seconds
(45:15):
now people are not trying to seeand it sucks because you got all these
dope like look at Join the Artists, like Join the Lucas, who puts
a whole fucking movie together every trackhe releases, But you won't hear Join
the Lucas on the radio as muchas you hear I don't know, spot
them? Got him? Who's sittinghere? Why? Right? You know
why they could sell more ad spacewhen years there's a lot of shorter songs
(45:37):
that that too. But I alsothink part of it is they want us
to be dumb. They don't wantyeah, absolutely be free thinkers, so
they you know, pick and choose. No, you know, I don't
feel like they want us to bedumb. I think we choose to be
dumb. I think part that's partof it too. But I think it's
like britt like it's it's almost likeforce fed into us, like even in
the food bro like not really becauseI'm listening to underground stuff like they can't
(46:00):
thank the stuff that I do.Stuff it's not they don't pick and choose
that. You want to know why, I don't the mainstream individual and not
people that agree with you on thatnow I'm one of them. I'm very
like you know, I try tostay away from mainstream shit, and I
you know, I got my peopleI look after. But let me simplify
(46:22):
this for you. You're ready,yeah, ready? Do any one of
y'all have regular cable? Yes?I got Spectrum streaming, that's where I
could stream streaming. But you gotregular cable like Channel nine where you can
sit through a commercial yep, andyou watch it. Yeah no, and
(46:46):
then I get tired of like,look at the Netflix. You know.
That's that's the reason why we're done, because the cable we don't have.
We have so many things in ourin our lane. And I'm not saying
you're dumb, no, no,just ship. I'll tell you right now,
I'm doubt help, I'm not.We have so many things in front
of us that we can we cana skip the regular things Like when I
(47:14):
grew up, there was no streamingplatform. You watched a show, you
had to sit there through the commercials. You watch fucking you know, the
Kello Flakes commercials. You watch theyou know whatever commercial was on, and
then you watch the show that meantthat you part compart to mentalize your show
(47:35):
and then what was advertising in frontof you, and then your show again.
Right now you have your show andthat's it. So you can fast
forward what is supposed to be infront of you, not realizing that you're
not breaking up or you're breaking up, but yeah, what you want versus
(47:57):
what they're trying to give you.So when it comes full circle, if
if you get an ad on YouTube, what do you do? You hit
skip if you can, so youyou're not gonna You're not gonna take in
the thing that you don't want.You're taking in what you want. Pause.
(48:21):
So that's the reason why you're gettingpeople that tension span is very small
because you're giving them what they wantand not what they don't want. What
are we talking about again? Butit makes sense though if you really think
about it. But because back inthe day you had to you had to
(48:42):
consume it all if you watch theshow, you had to consume what you
wanted and what you didn't want.Now you don't have to consume what you
don't want because you have that skipbutton or that fast hold. There's nothing
like that run from the bathroom thatlike you're trying to you're in depth in
a movie that that only comes ononce a week and like it brand new
show comes on, like say,every Tuesday night at eight o'clock, commercial
(49:04):
break, run into the bathroom,real quick run back for the commercial break
stops, y'all don't have that?Yeah right, go quick service, some
quick to eat. Listen out theshow to come back on. But real,
right now you have the pause buttonright, but right now you got
you can take it to the bathroomwith you. You know what, you
know what, you know what?I still cable too. Bro Table was
a big part of my life,like one of my I guess youthful memories
(49:29):
or one of my I guess likeplaces. The piece that I think about
is every night for dinner time,around like seven pm, I will put
the TV on The Simpsons perfectly intime so that I could see the opening
that was different every episode in thebeginning. And I was like, you
know that, when I think ofhappiness, it's like, yeah, family,
haven't dinner watching the Simpsons, youknow what I mean? As bad
(49:50):
as that might sound some some people, you know, some people think what
resonates with me was Matt Locke comingon and going, damn, I gotta
go to bed now it's nine o'clockten o'clock when Matlock came on on Living
Color. As soon as I heardLiving Color came on, I was like,
can I please stay up? Yep? See what I'm saying. Like,
(50:10):
you couldn't just watch it when youwant it. You had to consume
it when you want when when itwas on. You know how many makes
it different? You know how manyass swoopings I got just trying to watch
SmackDown Bro and Raw what. Well, back then it was an hour or
two hours off. Yeah, thenit would just come on kind of late.
I didn't agree with my nine o'clock, nine o'clock to ten, and
(50:34):
my mom will come in like ninethirty like turn it off, and I'm
like, ma, you know weget into the pinnacle of tonight's episode.
Ye, can I watch? That'ssometimes it's interesting span of music still has
a play into it. Yeah,for sure, because you you gotta keep
them captivating. You can't, youcan't go hold on, We'll be back
(51:00):
with this bar after this. That'sa new freestyle. That's a new freestyle,
isn't it? Is that what theydo? Freestyle one line, two
line, and then then you gottawait for the crowd joke right, and
then you go back one or twobars. I hate when they do that.
Do that? What the hell that? That's one of the reasons why
(51:22):
you can't do oh man. Butyeah, no, I definitely feel like,
yeah, lyricists are definitely not gettingit. But I guess it has
always been like that in a sense. You have a few, like major
success stories like Eminem, and let'sbe real, Eminem was black, he
(51:43):
probably wouldn't have got so much notorietyfor it because look at big El,
even though it's was short lived,one of the best lyricists actually, who
knows, who knows where big Eelwould have landed at. You know,
So I got a question for bothof your life because I just I just
heard this question. The fact thatyou brought up big El kind of ties
into it. Why does every deadrapper have to be a legend because they're
(52:04):
now I think it's more like apeople you know what I mean. It's
it's like people were looking forward toprojects from them in the future. So
like for Xxx, for example,who passed away, I'm not gonna lie.
I didn't listen to a lot ofhis stuff. I didn't really even
(52:24):
start working with Xxxton until he droppeda music video because I wasn't even working
with a song. He had thesong called look at Me and he's like
I can't keep on digging my handsor some shit like that, and it
was just a song that I waslike, this ain't me is a little
this almost feels rock and rollish.But when I saw the video for that
(52:45):
song, and I'm not gonna saywhat it was, it was it was
controversial video. It was like hehe hung a little white kid for the
video. The kid was an actor. Obviously the parents approved, so it
was it was, you know,it was a statement being made, and
that's what made me really look atthe kid, like, damn, there's
something more to you than I can'tkeep out thinking of my pants, Like
there's there's layers. You know,the ignorance is on the outside, but
(53:07):
there's a message that you want toget out. There's something in there that
wants to be deep. And sowhen you see somebody like that pass away,
especially young people like pop Smoke,people like big El, people like
Big Pun, you know, whenthese people die young, you think about
all the potential that they had,all the things that they had going for
(53:29):
themselves, where they came from wherethey were at when they passed away,
and you know, it leaves thatwondering and then you realize, like these
people that seem invincible, that arebigger than life, they're really human beings.
You know, they could really goat any minute, just like the
rest of us. You know,nobody's nobody's guaranteed anything. So I think
a lot of people see that andyou know it turns into a damn like
(53:52):
this guy was a legend, thisguy was you know, it's like a
respect thing I think it is.Yeah, I don't really hold them on
a upper echelon. I don't putthem in the top categories. But there
are a couple that, you know, do go down as legends, like
Big I was being one of them, you know, Pop Biggie. There's
(54:15):
just just to name a few offthe top ahead. Those are the ones
that had, you know, haven'timpact like Nipsey nip hus So, like
I said, people that had impacton certain you know, areas and you
know music and people It affected andtransformed music as we know it. That's
how I put them in U asone of the greats, and because of
(54:37):
what they did for the hip hopculture. But with that being said,
ladies and gentlemen, they can forjoining us on real people off the record.
J just chilling tone, death ofFlorida, Tony D and show he
had to go quickly. See youpiece,
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