The Iconic LDJ Music on Off The Record Podcast

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Episode Transcript

(00:11):
M hmmm. Ladies and gentlemen,welcome to other episode of Off the Record.
What's going on Now? As always, I'm joined with my boy.

(00:33):
It's the official show. What Up? What Up? What Up? What's
up? I know that's why Idid it. That's why I did it.
The people love it, the peopleask for it. That's what we
got going show. Yo. Thisman right here, I've known for yeah,

(00:56):
probably twenty plus years l D.Damn, like we go, we
go back for real, for realfrom you know, being around the wage
of just barbecues and partying. AndI've actually done a couple of shows with
him. I used to be hisDJ. We've done patrols together, you
know, I man, I've probablyknown this man. Yeah, twenty plus

(01:17):
year. Dam some stories. Everybody. Everybody needs to welcome my man,
l DJ. You know, Connecticut'sown Nayak's own l DJ. You know
what it is. Everything isna blowup, all the spots down. You're
trying to lift somewhere, man,LD, what's up? Man? It's

(01:42):
been a minute? Everything everything kinghow you you already know? Man?
I'm living this Maryland life. Ilive right outside of Baltimore, down between
Baltimore and DC. You know Imove around. You know that's that's where
you'd be at when you'd be doingall the rents on Facebook. Yeah,
I don't know what you're talking about. Who you got? First of all,

(02:04):
I know this is not gonna air. I know this is not gonna
air for another week. But Iknow my man ld is a big faller
um in both in both aspects becausehe's a baller in the streets and he's
in lbacon ball. I've seen him. It was down on some people.
So who you got? Who yougot winning tonight? Who you got winning
the series? Period? I mean, I got enough this one in the

(02:24):
series, gentlemen, sweet five games. I give Miami in the best shot
tonight. Ain't played in them thattwo weeks. Yeah, if Miami gonna
get a game, it's tonight.They just finished playing seven. They in't
shape them for they out of shaperight now. They ain't played. They
have a mile high yokis in bigBronosaur steaks. So he goes slow down

(02:46):
a little bit. If they losea game, it'll be the night.
Then after that it's just it's done. It's done. I think he's the
only one to gain weight in season. I don't know what's going on.

(03:07):
Jim's hard in the Exactly, Igot another, I got another, I
got another one for you. Lookat do to put ten pounds on in
the season? True? True?What are they eating from that country?
Just eating good over there? They'rehard about to go to Houston, So

(03:31):
Jam's harder going back to Houston.So stay tuned for another twenty pounds on
it. We get to that Houstoncooking. Oh yeah, that fool good
whoop special zir special zir what soman? I love everything you've done,

(03:53):
Bro, Um Must growing up fromMust growing up together. Bro, You've
been on on multiple play songs.You got interviewed by like uh DJ Ralph
McDaniels. You brought and you broughtthem to our hood. You didn't even
go out to them. You broughtthem to our hood. You brought them
to the palisades more. Hey,I need you to come over here.

(04:15):
You want you want to do thisinterview? You need to come over here.
How did that come about? Yeah? For the Ralph McDaniels thing,
it's just like just grindings, likejust grinding and putting projects out and then
just rubbing show. The more yougrind, like they say, you grind
hard, you getting lucky. Sowhen hard work mets what's they call that,
when hard work meets preparation, yougotta be ready for your opportunity at

(04:40):
all. You gotta stay ready,gotta get ready. So a lot of
people like shout out uncle Ralph.I think I'm met Ralph food my people
that did you ask? Which iswhich is not like a streaming company.
But there was a platform for theDJs. A lot of a lot of
artists who did you Actually they couldget their music straight to the DJ.
I was one of them, right, So they had the big DJ pool,

(05:02):
so they was tapping with all thedj So they used to have the
art they office in hall. Soyou go to the office, you live
with a bump in the any hiphop producer, any rap, all the
hot rappers that's out at the time. Plus they managed different artists. That's
how a lot of things came about, just grinding, moving around. So
then I linked with Ralph. Alsolike Pete Rock, I don't gonna Pete

(05:28):
Rock to the block. So wegonna we're gonna talk about all that.
We're gonna talk about that. Tryingto you, trying to Sean already I
know you. I was about tosay some of those relationships left the other
relationship, but but the UM.Yeah, the Ralph mcdendis was on the
bucket list and I grew up Washingtonthem this box. So that was like
probably my favorite top five favorite thingsI ever did, was that what would

(05:53):
what would be the what would bethe other? Four? Well, Number
one, I had the video onMTV with Jim Jones. Was on MTV
Jams for like six weeks in arow from the top ten on the countdown.
I was in the video. Butthat was major for me on two
levels. Number One, I grewup watching MTV. I always wanted to

(06:15):
be on MTV. Number two,BT rejected the video, which hurt,
which hurt me. The Black EnteringNetwork tell what they say, like how
do you say that? Like howdid the politics is so crazy? Because
he told me the video was toodirty or like the language. And then

(06:35):
maybe like a week later, I'veseen I go hard and the mother yeah,
like every day and it's a politicthing. They back, yeah,
so it's politics. But MTV definitelywas number one doing UM being on MTV.
Then number two, I would haveto say being in a movie.

(06:58):
I was in the movie Role Modelswith this song I did with Red Man
and Pete Rock. Okay, itwas on Pete Rocks album. I didn't
see that actually used the song inthe movie Role Models, which is out
in theaters. It's a big thing, is they used my verse in the
movie, right they could have usedred Man verse. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't even know that. That'sone thing I didn't. That's the

(07:19):
fact. So if you ever seenthe movie Role Models, to look it
up. They got the kid mcglovingwhatever he was. Yeah, I know,
I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, this is scene what
the black kids walking through the party, the little kids walking through like a
big house party. That's my wholeverse play. And I'm so being in
that movie. Also just landing ona major album. I was on Pete

(07:43):
Rocks album, I was on aRed Man album. I was on the
cares One album. So I wouldput in the same all in one from
Caress One, the Red Man andPete Rock. The people like idolized growing
up telling me that I was thetruth and I was one of they.
F and no, no record deal, no politics can make them fuck with

(08:05):
you. You can't buy you can'tmake Redman do a feature with you.
You can't get Pete Rock to giveyou a beat. You're definitely not getting
care Rest One to give you averse. And they're not gonna tell you
you nice either. If they don'tneed it, they won't. They're not
gonna even say it. I knowI can tell you a few prominent artists
that's buzzing right now, that's openright now, and try to give Red

(08:28):
Man a back for a verse.I was sitting right there, you know
what I mean? Red like UncleRest like he won't want to take it
back. So care Rest One thesame way, Pete Rock the same way,
Pete Rock, Liban Rockland in RocklandCounty, like we do so just
just people I grew up looking upto telling me I'm nice and I'm special

(08:50):
and I'm I'm one of the ones, like money can't buy that. And
I let me know all them yearswasn't nothing like I was on the right
track. It's just not enough peopleheard me respectfully. Or do you think
do you think when they didn't allowyou on b ET or put your stuff
off BTT, do you think thatlimited and stunted your growth on that?

(09:11):
To me, I do you knowwhat it was at that time, Like
I had so much music out wasjust a lot. Yeah. I was
just looking at that song like,because Jim Jones was on it, I'm
gonna push it because people will bedoing a lot of d riding. So
yeah, being that too, gotthe Jim Jones record that got farther than
any of my songs. Yeah,at the time he was blown up.

(09:33):
That might have been like my leastfavorite song, but that's the song I
was moving. Yeah, I rememberthat day, bro. I remember that
day like the craziest thing about that, Like, I was so fed up
with the politics and music that mybag was up at that time. So
I said, I don't care ifI spend a million dollars, I'm putting
the song everywhere. It became becamemore mental than me actually loving the song

(09:58):
it was, I remember, Iremember and in tone if if Led doesn't
want this to be out there,we can we can edit this out.
Yeah, I remember that. Thatwas the only time I ever seen him
getting mad because somebody sold the moneymoney. I remember, am I bugging

(10:20):
healthy? That's the only time I'veever seen you mad, my dude.
You always you always fly on theblock. You've always been my dude being
you never had no no, nonothing in that day. You were like,
nah, who took the money?And I looked at you. I
was like, bro, you knowwhat? He was like, nah,
I show you good, but whotook the money? Everybody else gotta stay.

(10:41):
He's treated it straight up like Sonnyfrom the Bronx Tails. You can't
leave unless I check you first.Check out that one. I'm gonna tell
you why I took that so personally, is this a scene in the in
the video where we throwing hunt outof build? Really was supposed to be
me just going hunt out the build? Yep? Now one of my man's
I could say that's now diresting soul. He got killed a few years ago,

(11:03):
my man Deep Black. Of course, he was one of the easy.
He's one of the ones as faras on street tim and so he
wanted now he wanted to be andthrown his hundreds around, right, So
he can't help himself. That's justhis personality. So I'm throwing money around
now he's trying to faking people withme and my video throwing his hundreds.
So of course now the money's gettingmixed up, right, so my thing

(11:26):
was this. I paid for thevideo. I paid the director, I
paid Jim. I didn't paid theseyoung ladies that's in the video. How
dare somebody take my money at myvideo? So it might I think it
was only like one hundred dollars bills. It wasn't a lot. It wasn't
a lot. And I looked atyou like, bro, what do you
talk and you that that's exactly whatyou said. You look dead in my

(11:50):
grill, was like the show.That's not about the money. I got
money, it's the principle. I'mgonna tell you how I letnna tell you
how much of the principal it was. I'm the blast shout out to blast
and building. We sc blasts.My homie, he tried to come up
to me and give me a hundredand say here. I said, nah,
if you ain't take it, Yeah, I don't know. I remember

(12:11):
that. I don't know. LB. That's the only only time i've seen
you off your demeanor off like madlike you always. I mean, you
know, we do what we doin the hod or whatever, but you're
always smiling. Yeah, think aboutthis right now, mind you You know
I come from a big neighborhood,whatever. Everybody was supporting in a part

(12:33):
of the movement, but financially everythingwas on me because I had to bag.
So when you got to bag,people not gonna volunteer to pay for
this and that for me, andI understood that. I wasn't even about
nothing. But my thing was it, if I'm paying for this whole situation,
I'm letting everybody come for free,be in the video, be a

(12:54):
part. By the way, hedidn't only pay for Jim to be there.
He didn't only pay for the club. He also let everybody drink.
If I'm not mistaken you, Andit's so crazy because I'm spending all this
money on the strength right red Man, Uncle Resue came for free. He's
watching me spending money with all thesepeople. He's more famous than everybody.

(13:18):
He didn't churns me a penny.He's all over the video. He's in
an intro to the video, andthen he's all in the video. You
know, not one penny. Sofor me, it's like we're putting this
whole thing together. We picked thatlocation. Even the location we picked,
some of our people's had a fightthere the week before that, so we
had to pay for the window.Even I wasn't there, so I was

(13:39):
already like, come on, nicestealing my money. It wasn't. It
was a mix up of it.Guy, And I'm telling you straight up,
in God's eye, is true.I've known this man for twenty years.
I've been around this man in situationsfrom the Bronx to the block in
ourhood. I've never seen him beout of character. But that one time,

(14:01):
that was the one time I waslike, Yo, this is ld
and I'm glad you're lating this.Stay in because I've always see smiling.
I always see you smiling. Wecould be outside, you know, on
the block in Nayak and you alwaysI mean you always have fur on,
but you always you always smiling thatsmile like that. But that's the smile

(14:22):
you always said. So when peopletell me LDJ don't like me. So
when people say LDJ, this LDJthat, I'm like, yeah, you're
not talking about the same LDJ thatI know, Because this motherfucker is always
smiling. What are you talking aboutnot see that? There's another side to
that to that part of the story. For number one, like you said,

(14:43):
it's very violent neighborhood, right,So a lot of the times when
we're going out, these people arewith me, and then sometimes things happen
to other people and they need aface to blame. Ye see what I'm
saying, Like if fifth, likeI'm not comparing myself to know about it,
but like if fifty cent goes outand his people putting hands on somebody,

(15:07):
who's getting sued, who's getting blamed, who they he's gonna get the
who's gonna be in the highlight.Jim Jones has a situation with Trick Tricks
and Detroit Trickser got shot by someonein Jim Jones entourage. But the first
thing you see in the headline isJim Jones. Like Jim Jones, you
know damn well, Jim Jones ain'tshoot Trick Trick. Yeah, obviously something.
It's the same. And it's thesame thing when when I used to

(15:28):
throw when I used to throw partiesand and A One used to throw parties,
we were the first people to blamebecause it was all party. It
had nothing to do with us.We're in the DJ booth, we're rocking.
The crowd had nothing to do withus. But the scapegoat is DJ
showed DJ A One, DJ fury. Those are the people that were the
skate boots. Yeah, I'm gonnatell you like this, like from two

(15:50):
thousand and eight and nine, Iwas then from every club and rockling and
they would re let me back inand they would fail me again. The
same security used to work every eventbeing these security shut out to earn a
shut off the ball. We hadso many runnings they had to band me
to let me back into the pointwhere they say, why don't you just
hire us and it will make surenobody comes near you. You have a

(16:11):
good time every night, and inlike hindsight, I wish I did because
one of the nights badly. That'sanother story for another day. But yeah,
like we don't due respect, likea lot of the things that happened,
they're blaming me. So when I'mwhen when we walked to the club
and we walk into the lane likena, no, no you nope,
you with the chick Nope. Sothey remember the guy with the change,

(16:33):
They remember the guy that had toremember the guy, but they don't know
nine times out attendant was it me? Was me saying shill, But then
they started telling me, what ifwe don't let you in? And they
won't come correct, so you can'tget give tone to give you some respective.
The security company is talking about isthe guy we were supposed to have

(16:55):
one. That's funny, Earnest.Earnest, tell you get him up,
when you get him up? Askedabout that, Why do you think I
hired them to be my security?I know what it was. Let me

(17:15):
tell you this all time. Ihype. I was in thanks Giving two
thousand and eight. I was Thanksgivingdinner in Maryland, Silver Springs, Maryland,
got wrested. Saw my auntie's house, Sylvia. What's her birthday?
Yesterday? We was I was ather plip and Thanksgiving. I'm all the
way in Silver Springs, Maryland.My brother shout out the fire. He's
calling me from outside. Look whatI yo? Man, this is won't

(17:37):
let me in. I don't knowif I can said, yeah, You're
like, YO, won't let mein, man, this is I wasn't
even what y'all let me talk ABOput him on the phone. I'm like,
yo, that's my brother. Hehad nothing to do it that.
They said, Sorry, nope,I'm all the way in Maryland. I
couldn't even fix it for him.He had to go home. He was
mad as hell, no million jointselfon that Thanksgiving week Yep, yep,

(18:03):
ye remember this. Yeah, theystarted taking it out on family members like
but yeah, it was normally mekeeping you talking about you talking about fire
that's still alive, right, yes, yes, rest peace to the other
part family that's that's home team,Yeah, of course, but should be
fine fire man. Yeah. Yeah, to reiterate that, you remember,

(18:29):
like Eddie Murphy Raw when Eddie wasuh, he was talking about how we
got into a fight at the discardwith a bunch of people and it was
like everyone just suited him because hewas the face of everything that was going
on, and basically that's what happened. It was on Eddie Murphy. Yeah,
That's that's what they always want todo. They always gone the face
part, and so it's true,hope, Yeah, but they always want

(18:52):
to do that. So I usedto get to blame. So at the
end of the day, there wasa lot of people. For one,
respectfully, they didn't like him becauseof that, but also because of the
shine that was happening, Like youon the radio, shout out to Javon.
We had the radio then we hadI was on one oh five one
javone every week. Then I hadBig band On had ninety seven. Then

(19:15):
we got MTV, then we gotthe streets, then we got the nightclub,
then we got women m Yeah,so it's easy to be like needed.
Yep, it's easy to do that. I used to hear all I'm
whack, and that's another thing,like I built a long time building my
buzz and there was a lot ofpeople that didn't hear me to the song

(19:36):
with Jimmy. So they was like, this is the nigga they've been talking
about this shit's whack and you knowwhat respectfully. So I might have been
whack, but they know I wasn't. Wait, you better go look back
at well you remember when you rememberwhen Joe Budden came up, he would
hit pump it up. Ain't noone like that, damn So no one
like that saying but you know,people liked everything else, but no one

(19:57):
listened to everything y'all say, justpumping up with his biggest So many artists
happened like yeah, like someone likea Fabuloust, he's always He's maintained twenty
something your career with a limited amountof actual hit records and the songs the
streets have maintained them. He'll dothe streets with sustain them. And then

(20:18):
he put the shorty record out probablygo gold if if that. Yeah,
and he barely even drops. He'sstill sitting. He's still going strong.
Twenty some years later. A lotof artists do that. Yeah, you
know what I mean, They sustain, They sustand theirself with. Not to
call it the gimmicky record, butit was sustaining theself one way. Like
the same thing with the Eminem.Everybody knew Eminem was dumb, nice,

(20:42):
but he'll put out high my nameis Balsam City Poles stand up. It's
like that's what they was pushing.You know, damn well he could.
Yeah what I'm saying so you canact like that song with Jim Jones was
whack. You know damn well Icould did it? Yeah, yeah,
And that's that was one thing thatwell, the marketability and recognition basically when

(21:03):
they when they pushed songs like that, you know, that's what's front and
center, like said Jim Jones,was the was the name on the on
the track. So that's what gotthe most recognition and what showed what you
know, showed you more. Um, same thing with with him he threw.
He threw some commercial shit like let'ssay slim Shady and that they pushed
that because it was fun and morepeople would listening to stupid shit, and

(21:25):
more people enjoyed listening to stupid shit. So and that's what what what banked
him? Really honestly, what Ididn't like about that song. And I
don't care my bad LB if I'moverstepping. I just feel like Jones,
for what you paid and for whatyou everything that happened, he spent a

(21:45):
bum verse. He could have cameon. I'm gonna be honest with you.
I was with him when he didhis first and listen the thing like
the versals okay, don't get mewrong, but exactly okay, but your
your standards because it wasn't really adryth to really get super lyrical on because
I didn't, right. But mything with him was like he was he

(22:07):
was caught up in that era.Everybody got caught up in that jay Z.
I don't write my rhyme too,So it's like everybody wants to be
sitting there not writing the rhyme.Shout out to him. He's a professionally
did his job and everything, butyou'll end up sitting there for two hours
trying to do it to jay zway or if you actually just write it
down, he might be done inten minutes, right, Yeah, because

(22:30):
that was And again I want toshow you that again this is this is
not LBJ saying this, This isme saying this. I feel like he
could have came harder on it becausebut he I feel like he took the
dumb dumb right way out. Butand again, like you said, that
wasn't a song that was gonna besuper lyrical. That was a song that

(22:51):
did its purpose. Yeah, thatwas a SA to make you tap into
me. Ye trying to shit,I missed all of that. I'm it'st
all the red Man songs to PeteRock song, the Elis production. Then
I missed all of this correct andthe work was there. I got and
if you want to take it thison real record time, And like I
have Grammy Award winning producers, LikeI got songs made from Adam Danks,

(23:14):
I got Jamaine Paul who want tograb me with Alicia Keys on a song.
I'm saying, we got videos together, songs together. This is who
I grew up doing music. Withyeah you go you type in Adam Danks
on Instagram. He's on tour withLettuce and John Schofield and Jamaine Dfree won
the voice and he did was background. Yeah he was. Jermaine was the

(23:37):
background singing and he won the voice. His whole family, Charles. He
comes from a dope, dope,dope musical family. But I'm saying this
is who I grow up doing musicwith. So when I would always be
doing the minstape ship for the streets, it was because I couldn't afford to
put money behind my song to Jamaineat that time. And then when I
had the bag, it just wasthe time and I had to Jim Joe

(24:00):
record. If it timing was different, I would have been putting that type
of back behind songs I got withyou. So I always had real big
records too, Shout out to Cinemaxto Nick Casper, like I had top
notch production Teflon shout out my manTeflon White Cleft. I had major producers
Elias around me and contributed and nevercharging me at any for music during none

(24:26):
of my journey. So tone doyou see what you see now? This
needed to be done to now I'mgonna tell you like this, this don't
make me laugh. My least biggestfan when it comes to my mixtape is
Cinemax. He never wanted me todo none of that because he felt like
that was beneath me, because hewant was like, Okay, we're sitting

(24:51):
on two a hundred records that wecan't afford to put out. It was
like, you know, at thistime, I'm I'm anyone. What am
I supposed to do? Wait untilI get rich for people to hear it.
I'm gonna go beat the street up. I'm already industry. Everybody industry
gotta see. He's no disrespect tohim. That's my brother. He when

(25:14):
I'm in the street, he's inthe studio because he works with a million
different artists. I'm just one,right, I'm not in the studio as
much as him. His house asa studio. So I'm saying not to
say this. He's not outside withme when people are like when the next
mixed team and the next day,this goes on to this day. So
I could go to his house todayand he'd be like, why are you

(25:34):
putting on the doctor dre people?We have a million beat right here.
He'll never he's not a fan ofthat. He's not a fan of that,
you know what I'm saying, Andthat's him. But I know I
also I'm from that other world toothat are monks fans of that or to
this day. They know every wordfrom Mixed Team from fifteen years ago to

(25:56):
this day, word for word.You never came down in my show.
You probably see twenty people of theLDJ Teacher something. I know every single
word, every adlan And that's thepeople that's with me. I'm not even
talking about the crowd, but I'mjust saying as far as in the neighborhood,
you know, like in your homeneighborhood, people like it's barely gonna
show you that much that they likedthis ship. You're right, have they

(26:19):
really have to like it. Itain't that much faking in the world.
I should be like yeah, whateverevery day. And that's the crazy part
that I always respected about you,and I feel like me and you come
from from the same cloth almost wherea lot of people where we grew up
at did it fuck with people,artists, DJ's whatever. But if they

(26:41):
fucked with you, they fucked withyou. You did what I'm saying,
and you were one of the artiststhat they fucked with. Brad was one
of the artists that they fucked with. I was one of the DJ's that
they really fucked with. A onewas one of the DJ's that they really
fucked with. So I mean,you know, I could go on,
you know, for me, theone or two more people, but the

(27:03):
actual core group of what Rockland Countymusic comes from, it's those four people,
whether it be party or lyrics oryou know, bar wise or whatever.
And then at the same time,there's there's two things, right,
there's the pioneers that that that camebefore me, and respectfully some of them

(27:25):
ran out of gas because this shitis hard, especially when you're super dope
and you don't make it. Likenobody could tell you what that feels like
if you're not an artist, it'sjust super duper talented and you never make
it. I can't tell you tokeep going to your fifty and you didn't
make it. So there's people thatput work in that's the legendary at what

(27:48):
they do, but they tapped outat some point because life it didn't Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, AndI remember along the road like some
of the people that was ahead ofme when I passed her, they would
just be like, yeah, keeplike that tapped. I was like,
yeah, keep going, And theyalways wanted to keep tabs on what I'm
doing to see if it was damnship to validate their decision that they quit.

(28:12):
Yeah. Well, at the sametime, are they wishing you not
to be successful? Like it isthat what I'm saying this state and they
whish they whished me. Well,yeah, it's a part of them that
wants it not to work. Sothey could say, see, that's why
I quit. Yeah, but that'swhy I stopped because shit, he didn't
make it or see how hard hewanted. Like the niggas that told me

(28:33):
I could have now would have neverI would never spend money on my music,
And I'd be like, yeah,it shows so that they'll only enjoyment
comes from being like you like,that's the energy. Yeah, we have
to if you make it, butthey're also validated if you don't. It's
like if you played basketball, rightand one of your friends was the best
basketball player that you know at fifteen, it's like his dream didn't die untill

(28:59):
he quit. Yea once he becauseif he's thirty, he's still trying off
for teams and ship. You're likethe nixt Mike picked him up with him.
You don't know right, But whenhe quit, thank it's like,
see all of years playing basketball,I'm glad I stopped and with the eye
hop when I was eighteen, Likeyou're trying to have self validation offer.
See, it didn't work for him. That's why I quit. Now you

(29:22):
quit because you ran out of gasand you a quitter. Don't pray on
it. I never prayed for nobody'sdown. For these people that came behind
me, that I gave him enoughinformation for them to passing. I would
never hope they don't make it becausenobody was passive kicking that information. That
everything I learned was from trial anderror, because they always said the game

(29:42):
was to be so not told.I never did it like that. The
people that came behind me, Iwas around me. I tell him,
save you money. I'm gonna saveyou. I'm gonna save you fifteen years
worth to write in your best round. To save you money, that's more
important than writing your best round,right, Because I say to them,
you can make the best song ofall time better than Michael Jackson thriller.

(30:04):
What would tell me? How?Tell me what you do with it when
you're done? Tell me how toget it from a to ze. You
know how to get it. Youknow how to get it to the radio.
You have a clue how to getit to radio? Okay, right,
you know how to get it toInstagram. Okay, you know how
to get it to YouTube. Butthis is what I always tell people,

(30:25):
Right, I got a song calledHot Sauce. My name is Texas Pete.
If you don't know to type thatin on YouTube, how you gonna
find me? Are you just hopingsomebody types in Texas peat one day and
finds hot Sauce. So it's likea lot of people don't know how to
eat it like because if you reallyknow, probably the biggest problem you might

(30:48):
have it is if you make anactual hit record, it's not what you
got money. It's not a funbegins. What do you think happens when
Drake makes a big record? Whatdo you think happen from Beyonce? It
makes a big record, somebody gotto spend some money, a lot of
it, and a lot of it. Absolutely. Now I know you said

(31:11):
stuff about it. Now I know, you said, you know, the
YouTube and the self promoting, andyou know, do you think that the
new new style of promotion and waysthat new artists are actually just pushing YouTube?
Do you think that affected a lotof what's going on now in music
in the music industry or like orthey or do we still consider them just
YouTube rappers? Or like, howdo you tell? I'll give you a

(31:34):
couple quick ways to look at that. For number one, when I had
this song with Jim Jones, thiswas twenty ten eleven. Instagram came out
like twenty twelve, So Instagram wasn'tout here, yeah, but YouTube was
out right. And I'm not gonnasay that the name of any of these
companies, but when I did thesong and I did the video, there
were certain promotion companies that said,how much views do you want on the

(31:56):
YouTube? Can pig a million,ten billion, zillion, ten it's whatever
you want, We'll push the buttonon that. So thirteen years ago,
they was telling me they could makemy views whatever I want them to be,
and they could go back to everyone of my songs and do the
same thing for a price. Rightnow, I didn't know how to do

(32:17):
that. So if you don't knowhow to do that. You can't do
that. There's people that know howto do that. With Instagram, there's
people that know how to do todo the algorithm. There's people that know
how to manipulate the algorithm. Ofcourse I don't know how to do stuff
like this, so it's worth afeed. But I'm saying not to say
this. Right, if I couldpay for views in two thousand and ten
on YouTube, what do you thinkyou've been do in two thousand and twenty

(32:40):
three? Right? Number two?Number two is there's a lot of people
that tricked the game with the figviews and got record deals off that.
Right, But how long can yousustain yourself with that? You can't if
you don't have if you don't havegood, it takes hunt you sustain that.
Yeah, you can't believe. Yeah, you can't sustain the content demands

(33:06):
and you can't uh maintain that inequalitybecause it's just watered down and you know,
let's fake at that point. Yousee it all the time on Instagram.
Somebody got thirty thousand, fifty thousandviews they got they put up the
best picture of all time and geta hundred bikes. Yeah, obviously these

(33:27):
are fake followers beloved. Yeah,like you only got a hundred you got
one hundred thousand followers, You gettinga hundred likes, which is six pack
out standing on a bentlet something truth. You know what I'm saying. And
even when the certain people they golive. I watched it live. It's

(33:50):
a bazilion robots in the live.Yeah, it's like, I don't know,
it might go of a lot ofpeople's head. Well, how do
you feel knowing it's your whole lifehis capital? Right? A lot of
people believe in the fake it tillyou make it right. And and a
lot of the reason is because atthe end of the day, a lot
of men, most of the stuffthey do is for one true. So

(34:12):
if you're faking it and you're gettingpussy off and faking it, if it,
if it ain't broke, fix it, yeah, if that's their goal.
Yeah, but if you know whatI'm saying, there's a lot of
these guys. Yeah, they theywant to take pictures with celebrities and posted
they know damn well, they don'tknow that celebrity. But if that female
thinks you're drakes Man and wants togive you a head because she didn't see

(34:35):
Drake's man two thumbs up. Peoplegotta page full of celebrities they don't know.
Yeah, just what is the sciencebehind that? Because you want to
seem famous, your followers know youalready, yeah right, they know you
ain't famous. So it's like,well, you showing me that you took

(34:57):
a picture with him that. Yeah, So if you take a picture with
Nicki Minas tonight, I post apicture with Nicki Minas on Sunday, does
that mean she's didn't know me?Or I was at Summer Jim in the
hallways? Right, I could makeit look like she's didn't know me,
you know what I mean. Butit's like the cities, it's it's it's

(35:20):
ridiculous, and like I didn't growup. I didn't grow up in that
era. So I'm not easily swayedabout any of that. That shit don't
mean like buying verification badges and allthat. I'm that that could never.
I could never do something like thatbecause that doesn't mean nothing to me.
It doesn't hold no value to me. Yeah, I don't even look next

(35:42):
to someone's name to see that.And if I see that, that doesn't
make me respect you more So,It's like we live in the world where
people people want to see how manyviews you have or followers. You have
to decide how much respect the supposedto give you. And that's I'm not
I'm not from that world of themost legendary people that ever walked this planet.

(36:02):
That less followers than bartenders that walkaround and there underweard ye that never
did nothing was out a fake guys, this a this a girl. There's
a woman right now on Instagram witha fake guys that got more followers than
Masterpiece. You know what Masterpiece hadto do to accumulate those followers, what
she had to do? Yeah,man, But that's the world. That's

(36:27):
the scope of what you know.Unfortunately, what the society is right now
that you know, it's so superficialand it's so away from actual talent,
it's away from actual like work,and you know, ethics on that,
it's just so far skewed on that, and I don't know how we fix
it. Listen, I can putyou can put a hundred thousand people in
mind right now if they told,if they told a record exactly. L

(36:52):
DJ is the best what I've everheard of my life. The first thing
he's gonna do is say how manyfollowers us here? Yep, yep,
absolutely, it's not gonna be letme hear them. It used to be
let me hear it, Yeah,let me hear it. First thing they're
gonna do now is look, evenif you go to a meeting, they're
gonna have you pool your numbers upon Instagram before they listen to one song.

(37:15):
They're gonna pull up your Spotify,They're gonna pull up your eye tune
before they listen to one song.So it's like, if I can buy
I could go buy a hundred thousandfollowers, should that make you more inclined
to listen to my song? Thatthink I'm good? Because if that's what
the kids, then I don't wantit. Yeah, I don't want it.
I don't want to don't talk toLD real quick. I gotta use

(37:37):
the bathroom. Yep, being honest, being honest, good, don't don't
edit that part out. Nope,that's staying in. We can't edit that.
Well. Um So, but likeI said, like, how do
we fix something like how do wego back to you know, talent,
because like a lot of hip hopright now that these kids are listening too

(38:00):
I don't. I mean, Idon't respect it. Like there's a lot
of things that are just so whackout there that I don't know why.
Yeah, I don't understand why it'sthe way it is because I grew up
in the same generation as you.There's three things that could happen for that
to happen. Number one, socialmedia would have to crash completely and go
out of existence. Yeah, thatwas that was That's probably not gonna happen,

(38:22):
right. Number two would have beenif the people that came in the
generation before this one where you hadto be talented to make it, would
have kept that traditional line. Butwhat they did was they kept the new
traditional line was chased the money,chase the numbers, so they came in
the talent error and then the gameswitched to the money error. And the

(38:45):
people that no disrespect but jay Z'sthe pubs, the people that got passed
the tours from the old regime thatwas over them, from the Jimmy Ivans,
from the Battery White Is, fromthe Tommy Mottola. Yep, they
could have made it a talented right, but they kept the business regime bone

(39:05):
because they're trying to become billionaires.Moens, so they kept the machine style.
They could have admitted so that itwas like that because they're from that.
You grow up listening to Whitney Houston. You had to really be able
to sing to be an artist factory, right, So imagine that, God
bless the soul. I'm just usingthe tail. Imagine if Whitney Houston became
the CEO and didn't care if youcould sing one more. Yeah, it's

(39:30):
like we need jay Z and themto care about who's talented. Yeah,
what we got without that? Orand the third thing was because I was
too. The third thing would beis if to skip the generation and Puffy's
sons and people like that who camethe CEOs and the mobiles and they took
it back to you gotta be actuallytalented, regardless of numbers and analytics and

(39:52):
you're getting your damn Snapchat and TikTok. Let me hear you. Yeah,
how much do you think of that? Is? You know, we were
talking about political and politics, buta lot of that translates directly into politics
because you know, the way oflife it's a lot different than it was
then because you know there it's likeit's very superficial now but in the politics

(40:15):
now that people are trying to manipulatewhat's going on with what people are seeing,
what people are hearing. You know, they're trying to ban books down
here, and I'm in Florida.They're trying to ban books down here,
and you know, it's it's justridiculous, like it just wants you to
be dumb. Yeah, exactly,And I think that and I think that

(40:36):
work directly with what's going on andin you know, modern music, modern
hip hop, Like I don't knowif you've been listening to anyone modern um
or anyone that you know that itis like up in the charts right now.
But okay, then we gonna giveyou somebody that's a modern that's Florida.
Yeah right, Yeah, that's that'sthe times we live in. He's

(40:59):
going to the leader the leaders ofthe new school. Yeah, NBA,
Young Boy, Derek Kodak, yep, these are the guys. That's that's
the leaders of that. That nextway, but that and then you got
the baby, a little baby,those kind of artists, all those shout
out to them. They all do. If you go a bracket underneath them,

(41:20):
Yeah, there's little tjs and it'sall of those, you know,
a little TJ Era Ice Spice,you know that whole pocket. Then you
got a whole bunch of them,like a little Rilla Scar Live, Yeah,
all of them. You know,So how do you feel How do
you feel about that? How doyou feel about you know, you know,
translating your you know your style andyou know your lyricism too, you

(41:45):
know, you know what what they'redoing. Like, I like, do
you do you feel that it's youknow, getting watered down at all?
I mean it's been watered down fora long time, so I mean,
if you really think about it likethis, always like I've been a fan
of hip hop since I was alittle kid. Right, so even back

(42:06):
in the day when there was BigDaddy kanehs all them, there was still
MC hammer, Vanilla Ice that wasselling more than everybody, the Fresh Prince,
Jesse Jeff doing silly videos. Parentsdon't understand. I think I could
fight Mike Tyson, he's one ofthe Grammars. But the COUCHI rabbing winning
the Grand Yeah. So it's likeit's always been that aspect, like there's

(42:30):
Riselda and then there's a little babyand the right. Hip hop has always
had aspects of that where there waspeople like, well, um, what
was that super militant rapper group thatwas early two thousands, super duper militant
black woman because they've dire minded meof like there was after the public I

(42:57):
set a public enemy, but yousaid after the problem, after that will
shout out to Y loves this group. I forgot the name of this group.
It was super nice. It wastwo dude. Everything was like anti
society and anti everything. I forgottheir name and got their name. But
there's always been hip hop has alwayshad underground people that was super dope,

(43:22):
and then there's always been people thatI got more attention and more signed.
I wasn't nice like them. Likearound two thousand and two thousand and one,
when I was really coming into myown film, I'm like, I
could wrap better than anybody in theworld. Then I seen that same year
one or six and Park came outand then it was bow Wow and it

(43:44):
was Nellie and it was like,should I throw my note but away?
This ship years old at the time, I'm like, wow, fucking Nellie.
Yeah, it's fucking the same lunatic. A lot of that is because
they played the both out sides ofthe ball. They did a lot of

(44:06):
features in R and B. SoR and B was what was selling a
lot of records back then too,because because they were able to cross over
like that, when people stayed inone genre and one format, that that
kind of limited stations complain them.But this is how, this is how
my mind is my mind extended bytraveling. Yeah, before I started traveling,

(44:27):
I just thought all of those guyssucked. Oh yeah, like Lunatics
and Nellie. I hated. Ihated the project at three six moth like,
yeah, I just couldn't understand nowanybody could think this is any good?
Right? Yeah? But then whenI started going down sound, I
lived in Atlanta for a little differentlifestyle, I did not, and I

(44:47):
moved to Virginia for a little while. Then I started saying, listen,
they don't give a funk about thisshit we've been listening to. They never
even heard of we loved. Nope, they never even heard of them.
I did a little better. Iremember getting into a heated, stupid,
passionate argument about about I said Jessewas better than Master Pea. I almost

(45:08):
got killed. I was yeah,down there, down here, it's it
was a project full of angry countryniggas, and I argued down to the
death foot all of them like,are you kidding me? Master peas horrible.
One of them, Amos, hada heart attack when he heard me
because they didn't even think it wasn'tmore so that I was wrong. It

(45:30):
was like, are you crazy likethat? Yeah? Exactly, yeah,
well exactly yeah absolutely, And it'slike says, it's like territorial back like
down here. It's it's it's differentlike Luda down here. And then you
had Andre and then you had youknow a lot of them just you know,
like they got respect from the location. Tone got both sides of the

(45:52):
coin, so toone is from goingand raised in Jersey but now lives in
Florida. Yeah, so you know, he's both sides of the coin where
um, you know he's he's areal hip hop thing. But like if
you if you go back on ourepisodes, like me and Ton are like

(46:12):
Kodak Black is the ship talking aboutyou never never that I'm looking at We
both looking at each other, butit's different Black, It's just him and
the LD was just we were justtalking about it, like it's a different
style. But yeah, it's adifferent style. Like he you know,
he gives him his respect, butit's it's just different. It's just everyone
like like down here, you know, it's it's just definitely a different style

(46:36):
of hip hop and a lot butalso like New Yorkers, New York has
infiltrated a lot of these things.You know, New Yorkers go everywhere and
then never leave and then the influenceis strong and a lot of people want
to be from New York. That'swhy you could be in New York.
You could be in Posed, youcould be in Florida and have an artist.

(46:57):
Step has the cadences of a RickRoss. That's the New York cadence.
You might slow it down, butwe know where that ryan. But
those rhyme patterns, that's in NewYork, those rhyme patterns. You go
Atlanta, hear someone like Ti.Yeah, it's a different it's a different
slang and word pronunciation. But thosecadences at East Coast cadences, even little

(47:19):
Wayne, you hear different, likethese cadences, these Coast caidence is now
fast forward. Even someone like amoney back Yo dumb nights on the low,
like like when he's when he like, if you really listen to some
of the his his rhyme patterns,you could tell these guys study these coast
rappings. Yeah, they might makehooks that are more universal than the East

(47:39):
Coast artists, but listen to theway that make the words ryan each other
and that. Yeah, yeah,they do a lot of manipulation in different
accents on the different emphasis on differentparts of the word. And we would
You know, it's crazy that Itold you guys before old Chime then and

(48:00):
got on with us. There's onlya handful of rappers, and I really
want to say a handful. Imean, I really want to say,
like two rappers I'm gonna say ahandful that actually talk and rhyme the same.
You get what I'm saying, Likewhen you talk to them, when
you talk to them, you canhear their music. And the only two

(48:23):
rappers that I could ever think ofis you and DMX because you like yo,
you ye like you don't you don'tmake your you don't make your rhyme
about what you're trying to say onthe mic. This is you Nigga again

(48:45):
once again. Me and this mangoes back twenty plus years. I've talked
to this man in the trenches ofour hood. I've talked to him in
barbecues when he's lit and we whenwe sit in Henny. I've talked to
him in the club and he's talkingin my ear because I fucking can't hear
him. And this man's cadence isalways the same, like yo, talk

(49:07):
like my bad. You know whatI mean, because that's the same way
he runs on the fight, Youget what I mean? Like he does.
He doesn't decide to me oh haha ha ha. Yeah, he'd
be like, yo, my son, I got this pack, but he's

(49:27):
gonna not do that, like andthat's his ship like me, I mean
a tone they didn't. I tellyou watch when you get to talk to
LBJ. The way he sounds inthe fucking song is the way he sounds
in real life. And that's theonly other person that I know is DMX,
because when you talk to DMX,he always talked like this and he

(49:49):
and that's the way he runs.I only only can name two rappers that
ever did. I mean, Kissis kind of the same way. But
kids have to, you know,vocalize his voice because so fucked up shout
out to Kiss. I was justtalking to kiss maybe an hour ago,
two hours ago though, right,you know this is you want so you

(50:14):
want to I know, so youwant to talk about I'm part of me?
How to catch onto this because Ihad to go um, But you
talk about relationships? How did youand Red uh get that close relationship?
This is a funny story. Myman Cinemax was was um. I was

(50:35):
working with Red Man, he wasrecording them. He bumped it. Cinemax
got his own story. He bumpedin the Red Man on in Manhattan somehow
somewhat long story short, tell Cinemax, Tell Cinemax, give me a call.
We'll have him on here too.Facts. So Cinemax link with Red
He started recording Red and red Manstudio in the city. Right. So

(50:58):
this first time he he had myman blamed with him another artist, legendary
artist from racking Room. Shout out, I'll take blame too. Blame got
stories for days, be the recoveryfor Blain, shout out to blind.
So at this time I was gettinga lot of money, so I was
being ignorant in a way. Butthis is how the story goes. So
Matchell was bringing blame with him becausefor him and Blam was They had a

(51:22):
studio together at the time, soMax started bringing Blam with him every time
he recorded Red Man. So thenumber one thing is you never want to
tell a rapper at the time thatyou're a rapper, right, That's supposed
to be taboo. Rappers don't wantto meet rappers. They want to meet
women and producers. There was alwaysdope for red Man to meet the producer

(51:43):
because you neither to give him beats. You can record them. It's not
a threat in any way, butit always seems as a threat you're bringing
your rap nigga around. So Blamwas a super dope rapper and he Blam
was very humble, So Max wasbringing blind Blam was pretending like he was
a producer just to go by,so he would be a mere with him

(52:06):
for weeks. They're going for likeweeks now. He loves Bla. You
know what I'm saying that my attitude. I'm at the peat A feeling like
I'm nice, I'm getting money.I'm not fucking going over there sitting in
there all I pretending like I makebets out here. See you doing it.
I can see you doing this too. I don't I don't want to

(52:28):
meet them like that. If Imeet Red Man, I'm LDJ and I
rap. That's how that's gonna go. And that's with and all that.
So this is how it go.I had a girl at the time,
so one night Max was like,yo, you and Shorty come we go.
Check Redman, we go check redMan. Red Man is working on

(52:49):
a mixtape. It's like I gotthe name. Advantage of Fire was it
was early w when you were readystarted a chilling, hard body. I
was like, what the fuck?But it was early. It was early.
So the first time I met him, he was working on the mixtape
somehow some way while the beach playingand it wasn't even a Cinemax beat,

(53:12):
which is crazy, right, Soit was just the beat was playing.
He's like, my man, spitch, but I was already in my head
right in the rhyme to the beatbecause I'm here, so I'm gonna start
writing, yeah, my girls here, I'm here. What am I here
for? If I'm not gonna makemusic? And revenienshire, Yeah, Raman
does his verse. He comes outsmoking, tilling, vibing. You got

(53:34):
something for that, nephew, Isaid, absolutely. I went in there
one take my ship. I comeout, Red Man says, yo yo,
Chris, I'm going back in aboutto change. I was gonna saying,
I bet you were living off fuckingyou, like he said that in
front of Shorty, even if Inever make it. Yeah, not to

(54:00):
get, not to get, notto get too far into your business.
But it's not to show that yougot. You got your son with like
you a whole fu sign off thatSo Red Man chances. First we did
the song and ship made is mixedit right nice. Ever since then,

(54:23):
I was nephew. I never pretendedlike I make so none of that.
I was you and Red cocky atthe time, arrogant or self assured,
Like fuck it, I'd rather notmeet him. I never met that body
in pretending like Red O. Thecrazy part about you and Red's relationship is
I know Red separately, right,and I don't have the relationship with Red

(54:46):
the way you do. I'll bethe first one to admit that. But
when Red sees me, it's alllove. But when I remember when that
I guess transpired, not when thathappened, because I don't know when that
happened. I remember you getting somuch heat, Oh yes, because everybody

(55:07):
was like, oh, this niggathink he'd one, now you think he
came down, And I'm like,let this man live like he got the
cold sign from an og What isthe problem with this hater? And it's
crazy because with all due respect,it's not even like at that time,
right man, I have nothing onthe radio correct like he was. You

(55:30):
didn't have the label to put meon course. Just like any help you
need, I got you. Andif anything, the most thing you ever
did was just give me positive reencouragement, like positive encouragement like that,
yo, you one of them runs. You're telling you blah blah blah,
stay on your ship. It wasalways that and coming from him, it
was good. And then of courseanytime I need a feature, he would

(55:51):
do it. Yeah, And Iknow that's that's not normal, not let's
not on the side, on theside. Note too. What I love
about you, el is you didn'ttake advantage of that. Nah, you
didn't call him, let's do amixtape together. Let's do that. Like
you would be on your bar shit, you would be on your on your

(56:14):
rap shit. And every once ina while I would see a track with
you and Red and I'd be likehe felt like this was gonna be the
one and one. One point oftime, he did get a situation with
It's a label called Dealer House,and he wanted me to sign of that.
So at that point in time,he had an artist's name, Ready

(56:34):
Rock. We started doing a lotof collapsed together and Rad would get on
him. So then I started happenso much shit with him that it was
just regular toile, like I don'teven like that song. Yeah, now
I don't like them, Just belike, yo, that's that song so
red Man that didn't make the mixtape, A red Man didn't make the mixtape,
Like nah, and shit's all right. I'm not saying he's all right,

(56:57):
but for me, like I wantto hold this, I ain't gotta
be fire, you know what I'msaying, Like I'm never a person that
just likes the song because of who'son it. Yeah, I gotta like,
I gotta like the song. Seethat A lot of the big a
lot of the biggest collabals, Idon't love those songs. Yeah, Like
I like Riselda, I like mAndem, I don't love that song together.

(57:19):
You know what I'm saying, LikeI have to do you got a
song. You got a song withBenny Facts, Yeah, you got a
song with Benny You try to bearound the way. Yeah, Benny's on
my album Ken, my last album. It's called Crackhead Dancing, produced by
Cinemax. Old, you need tocall Cinemax tell them my one. I'm
not gonna lie. That was actuallya situation where I was almost pretending,

(57:43):
like I'm not a rapper. It'snot that I'm pretending, but I'm just
there chilling. We was with themniggas every day for like a week before
I said a word, and thenext thing, you know, we had
a song in the hood or youwere out in Buffalo. We was pulling.
This is when they wasn't it wasand you know Benny queens. Yeah,
that's why I said in the hood, right right right, Yeah,

(58:08):
I know. I started having Bennypull up and then we started pulling up
on them. And then it'll belike yo, they said come tomorrow too,
that tomorrow niggas and then like them, they're very close knit. I've
never seen them with different people.So so when they see you three days

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in the room, it's like thecousin, because you see nobody ain't nobody
ain't no new days, tell me, tell me in my room. It's
like the mafia would resulting. AndBenny and them boys like if like,
if you bring me around, whichI know you probably would, that's fine.
But if you brought me around,like you said, two, three,

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four days in a row, they'regonna be like, all right,
you got exactly. It's the mafia. And and and I'm not just saying
that about Griselt and Benny. Ifeel like that's kind of our culture,
Like the first man comes from thefirst day you come around them, they're
gonna who the fuck question who who? But they know you gotta be with

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somebody to even be there, correct. And then once you were around,
okay, that's that's okay. Whatup? So that they they were the
same thing with thirty expecials my manshout out to everybody I trust. Yeah,
it's the same thing. Like I'vebeen a specially living room. This
cribs is blanchings, his low cribsis big, like it ain't no different

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faces around. Yeah, I've beenI've been trying to reach out. I've
been trying to reach out to tosee if if Benny could do the show.
But you know, that's that's fora later day. I make that
happen for you. I've been aboutit to do this. So yeah,
like we know a lot of thething people like people from the Spring Valley

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that I know yep, like smallyou know what I'm saying. So that's
what I said where we come from. It's crazy because everybody wants to call
it up state, which I guesstechnically we are, but I don't like
to call it up state because there'sa lot of state above us. Right,

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But we're almost, We're almost.We're almost like the mafia because I
met you. I met you justbeing in a music circle, and I
know for a fact you didn't trustme. Now first I didn't trust you
at first. I didn't trust youat first season like be real, but
but but once once no, butonce we saw that we knew the same

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people, then I feel like that'swhen I was like, I this pretty
nigga. It's trustworthy, Like I'mbeing honest with you. But I have
also I have also a rocking personthat when I used to run around with
my terror spot chain. He ison my Facebook page and I was just

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like, yo, what's the likeon my Facebook status? I put up,
like what's the first thought you knowyou thought about me when you first
saw me. And then nigga straightup put up, yo, I was
gonna rob you for your terrace spatchain and I was just like what the
fuck? And he straight up said, Brad told me not to because you're
you're You're cool, You're like you'reone of them niggas like you one of

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us. And I was just like, oh my, nigga, like you
were gonna rob Like he was like, yeah, nigga, I was.
I was fitting to take your terracespot chain up your neck. And I
was like, damn my nigga,like I had you in my house like
he was like, but I didn'tdo it, And I'm like, no,
we're some mob with some mom niggasin rocket like unless you you know,

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you know, unless you've been aroundthe black you know what I mean,
Like, you can't I could pullup to I can pull up to
Building three, which I've had inthe past and giving out produce and shit
like that. Nigga see me,yo, what ut out blah. But
I wouldn't do that if I wasa quote unquot civilian like, because I

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wouldn't be able to get away withit. You get what I'm saying.
At the end of the time,At the end of the day, it's
like who your introduction is from isthe beginning, and even that's that person
that introduces you is strong. Youstill my man's man. We still have
to have our own report after that, because he's not always gonna be there,

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you know what I'm saying, Andyou could leave in the nigga to
be like, yeah, that's yourman, but so eventually you still gotta
have your own report because because amI lying or not your man? Your
man's day introduced me that you couldbe the nigga that go to do store
for you. He's not really areal nigga. He's just he's just a
dogone. If I tell you howmany times that the niggas be somewhere else

(01:02:52):
they run, they tell you howmuch they't run the neighborhood. And then
you go with that person to theneighborhood and realize he's runner for the neighborhood.
Like he just goes to get bluntsand water bottles and Chinese food and
that's it. Yeah, he's Ipromise you you never inclined me and that

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I'm saying that there's levels to this, Like you might be you might be
from that neighborhood. So yeah,nobody's not gonna do nothing to you.
But but you're probably nobody. Andguess what, the nobodies are the safest
people in the neighborhood because nobody's worriedabout you. Correct. If everybody everybody

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wants to claim Building three until ittimes to you know, watch until it's
time to go to the stone,watch this one. Nobody's ever plotting on
robbing the guy that has zero.Yeah, so if you don't have no
change, you don't have no money, you don't have no car. Everybody
in therebo loved you because you don'thave nothing for them to be mad about.

(01:04:00):
Correct. The envy comes when youstart having me shit. If you
don't have shit, you never gotto worry about nobody platinum you. Right
the fuck I'm around you for practicethis practice. Correct. There's there's a
couple of yet town people that youknow, I'm like, I'm glad,

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I'm cool with them. I'm glad, like you know, my neighbor Rick
Bells in almost every hood in RocklanCounty. And then there are certain people
I'm like all right, Well,I really don't want you to know my
name because I don't know, like, but you be doing but um same
thing. You hear somebody saying somethingbad about me, whatever I say,

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say, what do you do toyou? Tell me I've never I've never
after that. I've never ever,ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever ever had somebody come up tome at least say something bad about you.
And I can I can stand onthat. And there's very few people

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because I feel like a lot ofpeople know who I fuck it, and
a lot of people know who Idon't fuck it. And there's certain people
that you're gonna talk about to methat I'm gonna be like, all right,
cool, let me call him realquick. I have to say that
to him. Get what I'm saying, Like, I'm, I'm and you
know me, ell, you knowme, Ell, I'm I'm like I'm.

(01:05:30):
You know, I'm not the roughest, toughest gangsters motherfucker around, But
I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonnakeep it real. You know what,
the coolest thing in the world isabout being somebody that doesn't start trouble,
that don't bother nobody. When youactually have to come out of character that
niggas knows for Verry was valid.Yeah right, if you don't bother nobody
and you and you hear you hearyour this nigga did second suggests what did

(01:05:55):
they do? Because I know that'snot his character, So they had to
do so Yep, So I livedmy and now it's even more extremely than
that. I got custody and myson he lived with me. I can't
afford to get caught up and sodumb it has to get up something I'm
saying even said he's taking advantage.He's supposed to be sleeping right now.

(01:06:17):
I hope we could do like anextended virgin with this because he gonna be
up till midnight if I stay onhere. No, no, we're gonna
we're gonna cut this. But Ido have one more question, because I'm
pretty sure that people want to know, sure your your relationship with Pete Rock?
Where did that come from? RedMan? It came straight from red

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came from Red Man. Um No, I mean it's legal now. So
at that time, I was abig, big league dealer and talk about
I never met you that week rightat that time that allegedly I never met
you. The time they say that, right, So what's that? What's

(01:06:59):
what's we? So you know,allegedly Red Man smokes, right right,
so so allegedly Pete Rock might smokea little bit once upon a time.
So it was like, I guesswhat we have in common? We love
music and we smoked. And guesswhat, Pete Rocket lives in Rockland County

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next to you. I'm gonna makesure this happened. So next thing,
you know, Pete Rocks in myhouse three days a week Thanksgiving. I
got putting up on the block withhis laptop playing forty beats. The whole
neighborhoods can't believe Pete Rocks there.Outside, I got Peet Rock in the
elks. I got Red Man inthe elks and not the Red Man's in

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the bathroom, smoking in the elksand night shot shout out to the Elks.
And if you weren't there, youdon't. You weren't supposed to be
there. But I'm gonna enjoy withthis story right here, and this is
why I always love Red Man.One day Red Man was at the stool
der. Pete Rock called him,said he's about to wrap his album.
He wanted to revend to get on. The Red Man says, take a

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ride with me over there. Nephew, a ride with him over there.
Pete Rocks makes the sample plays tobeat. He left us in the room
for us saying, the Red Manlooks at me, said, nephew,
if you know like I know,if you know what I know, you'd
be working on your first you knowwhat that man? My verse was the
first verse that was done. SoI end up on the song. The

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song ends up on Pete Rocks album, it ends up in the movie Role
Models, And then I got myfirst check in music from that. What
was your first check? I gotfive thousand dollars for that verse. I
never got paid for a verse.That was your first check in music ever?
What year was that? I feellike that was? I feel like

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you? I feel like you.I mean again, I'm beating myself.
Maybe I feel like you should havebeen paid before that. Yeah, well,
see when that happened, I startedgetting paid for a lot of others
old because when you get a publishingcompany with twenty eight two eight, that
movie came out. Yeah, sothe song went on. It came out
that same year, went on PeteRocks album Adventures in Raymen something like that,

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and then it made the movie.So that came from Redmond saying,
take a ride with me over there. And then, like I say,
they say successes one for the preparation, meeus opportunity. I was prepared.
So I was prepared to write averse in five minutes because of all those
years of putting in work, youknow what I'm saying, And verst was

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done. My first was done sofast. I helped Pep with some of
it, and then I didn't Imean, I got you one, I
trust you. But yeah, wethe song, song, made the album,
made the movie, and I gotto check from that, and then

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we got offered to be in avideo game to Scare to Die Da Sports.
So a lot of came from redMan just saying take this ride with
me and feel and then my relationshipfrom Pete Rock just went from there.
He ended up giving me production frommy albums and mixtapes, and yeah,
we had an ongoing relationship to thisday. But I got more start.

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We were definitely gonna, We're gonnadefinitely gonna have you on again. So
we couldn't even we didn't even touchinto how Matt Benny. So we gotta
gotta we got a lot of we'regonna come back. We're gonna run it
back, run back. Yeah,we're gonna run it back. Tone right
here is the one that runs everythinghere. So we're gonna run it back,
you know, and we'll have youon in a couple more weeks,

(01:10:49):
Yeah, because the next time I'mgonna give you, I'm gonna give you
a little more industry nice, alittle more industry. There's something look forward
to industry people that see see seethis is this is why I love l
DJ. You gonna leave you onthe clip and it might push you off.
So with that sad tone, LDJ, thank you for joining us real

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people off the record podcast ladies andgeneral. We'll see you next week. Du