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Every week join former Marine and retired crime analyst and police officer Dale Lawrence and co-host Dave Rattigan, a former newspaper reporter and currently a college professor/comedian for dark humor and current events. Together, they spin the Wheel of Misfortune. Where will it land? On an unusual, ironic, and sometimes tragic story from the wide, wide world of zaniness and depravity.
In this week’s podcast, we will take a look at how the London, Kentucky police department fucked up so bad that they killed a man (Doug Harless) in his home while attempting to serve a search warrant at the wrong address...Yes I said it, they went to the wrong house and shot an innocent man!!
We will also look at an incident from a small town in Massachusetts in which a potential serial pisser is on the loose. If that not enough depravity for you, I will attempt to teach Dave how not to become a LEVEL 3 Sex Offender. Stay Tuned...
Every week join former Marine and retired crime analyst and police officer Dale Lawrence and co-host Dave Rattigan, a former newspaper reporter and currently a college professor/comedian for dark humor and current events. Together, they spin the Wheel of Misfortune. Where will it land? On an unusual, ironic, and sometimes tragic story from the wide, wide world of zaniness and depravity.
In this week’s podcast, we will take a look at how the London, Kentucky police department fucked up so bad that they killed a man (Doug Harless) in his home while attempting to serve a search warrant at the wrong address...Yes I said it, they went to the wrong house and shot an innocent man!!
We will also look at an incident from a small town in Massachusetts in which a potential serial pisser is on the loose. If that not enough depravity for you, I will attempt to teach Dave how not to become a LEVEL 3 Sex Offender. Stay Tuned...
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Miss Fortune. Go standing around, Hello and welcome to Wheel
of Misfortune. I'm Dave Radigan with me my partner, Dale Lawrence.
(00:38):
You might remember us from our old podcast. Dale is
a retired marine, a retired police officer, and generally just
tired all around.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Dale. How you doing, Dave? You use that partner term
a little bit too loosely. I'm not sure if they
think we're partners or we're partners in podcasting because I'm
happily married, Dave to an illegal. I had to say
that because maybe Tom Holman and this ice crew can
reverse the IP address on this podcast and be out
(01:09):
front tomorrow morning and grab aati here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, first, first, I know your wife's from Puerto Rico,
and I know you don't believe this, but that's part.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of the okay, and my bad, my bad.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm sure as if anybody got to look at your
picture they would know that. Even if I was a
game man, I don't think i'd be attracted.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But what do we got with We have a misfortune.
We're gonna spin it and wear it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm gonna spin the wheel right now, Dave. Here we go, brother,
and it looks like it's gonna stop on oops wrong address, Dave.
This is kind of a it's a disturbing story out
of Kentucky, and I'll kind of read the headlines as
they appeared in the Associated Press. A Kentucky man by
(01:51):
the name of Doug Harless, age sixty three, is dead
after London police shot and killed him in his own home.
Officers were investigating a case of stolen lawn equipment, a
weed whacker and a heater, not actually the crime of
the century the day, but we're going to get back
to that shortly. But they went to the wrong home
(02:14):
offices with the London Police Department showed up with a
search warrant. Another very important aspect of this case. At
you're going to check the address Dave at five eleven
Van Zant Road in Lily, Kentucky on December twenty third,
twenty twenty four, at around midnight. So this address is
(02:37):
just down the road, about three hundred feet from where
they were supposed to go. What was written on the
search warrant for eighty nine van Zant Road. Now, according
to a neighbor, she states, I went out and looked
out the back door and there were cops all around
Doug's house. I hope nothing happened to Doug. The neighbors said.
(02:59):
She just described Doug as a peaceful and pleasant man
who would do anything for you. Now, the police department,
who's taken a lot of heat on this case, and
as we go through the case, hilarious, Yeah, you'll understand why.
But their official affidavit of the shooting states officers knocked
on the front door, announcing themselves as law enforcement with
(03:23):
a search warrant. It was reported the arcument of the home.
Doug Harless acknowledged their presence, but refused to open the
door as requested. His officers breached the front door, contact
was made with the homeowner near the homes entryway. Harless,
armed with a handgun, raised it in the direction of
(03:44):
the officers, and at that point an officer fired multiple
rounds from his agency issued patrol rifle, fatally wounding Harless.
So what do you think, Dave case closed? Just let
it go? What what do you think? You know? That's
a good question. I assume not. I assume not.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
If nothing else, it's a colossal screw up with devastating circumstances. Obviously,
as you and I know, not the only time that
this has ever happened in the history of police work.
When you were a cop, did you ever serve I
had a friend, We have a mutual.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Friend, mutual comic friend.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yes, he was living alone in a suburb and an
apartment complex and in the middle of the night, once.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Bang bang bang bang bang bang, bank opens the.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Door, looks out there are cops all there. He opens
the door for him, I mean he was out of
bed for him and he opens the door. They looked
at him and they said, you're not a sixty two
year old lady, and then they turned around. They left
no explanation.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And now that you ask me that, Yeah, we had
an incident in Beverly, Massachusetts, back in July fourteen, around
two thousand. Richard Sharp, he was a millionaire Harvard educated doctor,
I remember this from Wenham, Massachusetts, and he shot his wife.
She was going to divorce him. She was going to
(04:58):
take say three million dollars. He didn't want to give
her any money, so he shot his wife with a
rifle in the doorway of their home with witnesses. Family
members witnessed it and they called nine to one one
and they stated that there was a shooting on Hull Street,
and they called the Beverly Police department. Well Hall Street
(05:19):
runs through Beverly. The numbers run one through fifty in
Beverly and then once Beverly connects to Wenham they run
one through fifty in Wenam. Oh So, Beverly police officers
went to the address in Beverly. However, the incident happened
in Wenham. Wow, So Beverly police showed up at the house.
(05:40):
They dragged everyone out of the house, husband, wife, children,
put guns to them, ordered them on the ground. Five
minutes later, they found out they were at the wrong
address and they sent offices to the actual address in Wenham.
Sharp's address. He had already fled the area. He was
caught two days later and the wife was dead. That's horrible,
(06:01):
and he ultimately committed suicide in prison January fifth, two
thousand and nine. One of the more real funny story
about that not that this isn't a funny story, because
it's not a funny story.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Not a funny story. It's traumatic for all involved.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
If you don't like police officers, this will piss you
off even more good. A day or two after this incident,
the family from the Hull Street address in Beverly. They
were very pissed off because the cops went to the
wrong house and dragged them out a gunpoint. She came
in to complain and she was met with an old
time police officer and she said, I want to file
a complaint, and he said to her, get the fuck
(06:37):
out of my station or I'll arrest you. No comment
on that, right, Dave, No comment.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Let me ask you this question. If a cop shows
up in that case, If yes, cop shows up at
the wrong place, obviously there's a shooting. Now there's a
question of all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Everyone's jacked up. There's a lot of adrenaline going on.
It was just the wrong address street, wrong address.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
If they show up at the wrong house, they rush
you out out of your bed, they terrorize you. Is
there any kind of a ramification for the cops in
that case?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Usually not. I mean, in this case they went to
the wrong house and they killed someone, totally different story
in the case I just described. People will get upset
at it. The mayor, the chief of police will have
to make an apology to the family. Civil cases follow
there was no civil case. What could there be? It
could be I guess people could suffer post traumatic stress disorder. Dave,
(07:33):
that's a pretty common term nowadays. Everyone's stressed out.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, I mean it's a pretty it's a pretty I
mean I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I know, it's probably not a pleasant thing to
happen to you. I to if the cops knocked on
my door, I'd have to hide so many things. Oh, absolutely,
way do you hide the body's Dave, exactly. But but
in this case, there are definitely three or four very
unfortunate issues with this case that's set it in motion.
So first of all, if you look at the police
to apartment in Kentucky, there's like thirty police officers on
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the department. They serve a population of around seventy five hundred.
Bottom line, Dave. In my opinion, I think there are
a bunch of hillbillies and they didn't have a hell
of a lot going on. So when they had the
opportunity to do a search warrant for some stolen items,
they went full force on it and they overdid it.
(08:23):
And the fact that they were able to get a
search warrant for the items we talked about. The items
were a weed whacker and a heater, probably under a
thousand dollars. They got a search warrant for a night
time search. So this sells you one of two things.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, either somebody's friendly with a judge or it was
a really nice wed whacker.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The person whose weed whacker it was was an official
in that county. So I think what happened was and
I might touch on that in a minute, but I
think what happened was he went to the cops. He's
in a he probably put a little pressure on him
get my stuff back, and the cops from a small
town went full bore on it. They very easily could
(09:09):
have served this search warrant during the day, during the
day light hours six in the morning, when it's light out.
No one's going to be mistaken the cops for neighborhood
thugs pounding on your door. People aren't going to get
roused out of their bed. Someone could be intoxicated at
night in their own home, and then the cops show
up and they make a mistake in judgment, and then
(09:32):
it turns out to how this situation turned out.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I know there's an advantage to coming at night.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
When you have exigen circumstances. Let's say you're looking for
a missing person with his's drugs or a large quantity
of money, and the people that you're going after are
really bad people, then absolutely the cops. They can go
at night with night vision goggles, element of surprise, people
are sleeping things like that to catch them off guard,
(10:01):
tactical advantage. But this case, we're talking a weed whacker
in some sort of a heater and that's all we're
looking for. So to even have a search warrant issued
in a case like this for those items, it's a
lot easier if you just have a couple of patrol
men who are pretty good speaking to people. You're knock
(10:21):
on the door and say, hey, brother, we understand you
might have purchased inadvertently a stolen item, a weed whacker
and a heater. When you just kick it back to us.
If there's going to be any charges going forward, we'll
let you know. Just give us the items back, they
go on their way, no harm, no foul. I've done
that one hundred times as a cop with minor items.
(10:43):
I'm not talking about a stolen car or ten thousand
dollars in cash, a stolen bicycle, a stolen cell phone,
just little little items like that. It's fine to deal
with them on the street level.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Let me suggest another scenario. Perhaps there're a chance that
this guy that they were going after was a bad guy.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
There's really not a lot written on that he was
a bad guy. Meaning did they really have to have
six to eight cops? Because what I saw on the video,
there was six to eight cops at midnight? Right, but
not right?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There was nothing to said about the guy. But I mean,
would that be a possibility?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Would you would if you have a really bad actor,
you're looking for a really bad guy, absolutely you're gonna
come with enough force to neutralize any potential threat.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Could you get a search warrant for a weed whack
or in a heater?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Kind of the whole issue here, who even signed off
on the search warrant for a weed whack or in
a heater? Right? Right? Who signed off on that? And
it just it kind of goes back to, like the
overkill cops get a little bit too over zealous. They
might be pressured by a local official whose items it was,
so now it's a political matter. They might not have
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liked the guy. They knew who the guy was that
stole the items, and they said he's just a common
little criminal, let's go bust his balls. And it just
turned into a really really bad situation where someone got
killed over it. So a couple of things you need
when you even get a search warrant is that you
need to correct address, and you need to state that
(12:12):
the address is either it's on the front door, it's
on a mailbox, it's on a post, so you know
where the address is. The color of the house. Is
it white, is it gray? Is it red? The color
of the front door. Because if you have two houses
next to each other, they're both white, and we're going
to the house with the red door, you know you're
(12:32):
at the right house. Is it a single family house,
is it a two story house? Garage? Is there a garage?
Any other critical house identifiers so something like this doesn't happen,
so you don't go to the wrong house. Because I
did a Google search in this area. It's a wooded area.
(12:53):
It's all houses on little hills. It kind of looks
like almost like Appalachia. It's really rural. It's really there's
no lights there. And all the factors that can come
into play here came into play four eighty nine to
five eleven, three hundred feet away three hundred feet. Okay,
so enough that you made a pretty big mistake. Yeah,
(13:13):
there was a mistake, man. And what they also probably
should have known that, according to neighbors that this pot
of town there was known for some drug dealing in
that neighborhood. There was people breaking into houses in that neighborhood.
So a bunch of little punky kids and maybe some
thugs were kind of strong on people in that neighborhood.
So some of the people in that neighborhood, to include
(13:36):
the victim here, he was afraid that he might be victimized.
So you awaken him at twelve at night and he's thinking,
and it's pitch dark because it was pitch dark there.
There's very little street lights. I even checked the moon.
It was a half moon and it was very very
dark in the middle of the woods with no lights.
So he's half asleep. He wakes up people pounding on
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the door. He can't necessarily determ cop or criminal trying
to come into his house. People use the term cop
all the time. Cops are here knocking on the door, cops,
and they put you at ease. Then you open the
door and they rob you. Wow. So everything that could
have gone wrong, made this a very unfortunate situation.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That's understanding it. Yeah, So what's the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, the bottom line from a law enforcement perspective, I
think it was poor supervision from the go because it
was a lot easier just to get the items returned
with a couple of street cops walking to the house
knocking on the door as long as they felt it
was safe to do that. Now, a nighttime search warrant,
that's kind of to me that was the biggest issue,
(14:42):
especially the for the items that they're looking for. They're petty,
materialistic items, so the search warrant should have been done
in the morning. It goes to who approved it, how
many supervisors, how many street sergeants, how many lieutenants did,
the chief did, the Clerk of courts, whoever had to
see the search warrant? How many people saw it and
(15:03):
checked off on it. Because in Massachusetts, three or four
sets of eyes are gonna look at a search warrant
and they're gonna determine is it really what we need here? Right?
It's just really that serious that we need a search warrant,
And at any point during that process someone can deny
it and if it's denied, then you have to figure
out another way to get those items back. In this case,
(15:26):
it looks like everyone bunch of gunslingers out there. They
all said check, check, check, and they went out and
did the search warrant. And poor Doug, I'm thinking he
was half asleep and he was probably thinking that the
cops weren't the cops and there were just some local
thugs trying to break into his house.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right, big mistake, horrible. And so what we're gonna do
in this podcast is we're gonna take the news stories
have some irony in them, offer a tragic and horrible
and we're gonna just laugh about them and talk about
how things could have gone sideways in this case, and
and just talk about the irony of life. And at
(16:02):
times we're going to appear to be probably, I don't know,
a little callous. I think it's gonna cause us or
we Yeah, callous, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I know, Yeah, callous sounds like a big college educated
term for you, Dave, for me.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, So welcome to Willel Misfortune with Will Spin.
So we stop in unusual stories touched by irony, in
sometimes usually ending badly that's marine and retired police officer
Dale Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And I'm Dave Radigan.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
As we've said, I'm a former newspaper reporter, currently a
college professor, a comedian, and some of with a lot
of personal experience and things that end really badly.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I know, Dave. I've been to some of your comedy shows, Dave,
and many of them and very badly. You got no idea.
Let's spind the wheel. It's spinning again, Dave. And it
looks like David's stopping on potential murder.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Potential, Yeah, it sounds like admitted murder. This is also
from the AP. South Carolina man on a trial for
murder made a confession on the stand. The result was
a guilty verdict for him and the arrest of one
of his friends. Here's how it happened. According to the
Associated Press, Zachary Hughes admitted to cutting his victim's throat
(17:16):
and wanted the jury to hear his reason. According to him,
the woman and her fiance were sexually abusing the woman's daughter,
who was also the daughter of the man's friend. On
the witness stand, Hughes said the child's father and woman's
former husband, John Mellow, told the man where the woman
would be and when she would be alone. Mello had
(17:39):
offered him five thousand and then ten thousand in a
murder for hire, but he wouldn't take the money, Hughes explained,
until he heard about the alleged sexual abuse. According to
the AP, Mello was arrested as Hughes was testifying, dal
what do you think his defense attorney was thinking, well,
I can tell you what you should be thinking day.
(18:01):
First of all, criminals are inherently stupid, so stuff like
this happens all the time. But unfortunately for us, poor victims,
poor innocent civilians, a lot of criminals are primitive and ruthless.
So this guy was inherently stupid, but he was so
primitive and so ruthless he was able to kill someone.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's an interesting thing because, you know, again, we're just
going by what we have in the AP report. They
didn't have anything about this guy was a Juliet educated musician, Yes,
nothing in there about him having a criminal record. Maybe
he did, maybe he didn't. It sounded to me like
this guy just wanted his story told. The fact that
he was on the witness stand probably means that his
(18:41):
defense attorney either was obeying his wishes, going by the
client's wishes, or the case was lost one of the two.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, I'm thinking an experienced defense attorney would be able
to understand his client if he's a savvy client. Because
a lot of criminals, yeah, who've testified before, Yeah, they
know how to deal with courts, they know how to
deal with their emotions, they know how to be evasive.
So when a defense attorney's going to know, I have
a season criminal, I'm you know, I'm that's what makes
(19:11):
me think he's not a season Yeah, he's not a
season criminal. So the defense attorney rolled the dice and
he's probably saying, why did I do that?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, And the man was even saying, you know, I
felt better after I did it. I protected that girl.
I'm paraphrasing, but anyway, this is not where the Irondy ends.
The victim's fiance, sixty eight year old Bradley Post, is
awaiting trial on child sex abuse charges. Now again, the
newspapers are not giving out all the information. There are
(19:39):
no details about the case. You know, one victim, two victims, however,
many victims. There's a civil lawsuit that again according to
the ap identifies the daughter as the victim in that case,
So what the man was saying it could none of
it was allowed in court.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
There is a civil.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Case and a criminal case that says the woman's fe
is or the victim's fiance was in fact the child predator.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The thing about this whole case, Dave, is I don't
think there's a lot of sympathy. I think, you know,
the guy who who murdered, oh, yeah, the lady. He
should be locked up because he slicing someone's throat. He's
pretty vicious. But I think when you're talking about sexual predators, yeah,
I don't think people really care if they get killed.
I think those normal people. If if I said to you, Dave, so.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
If he had killed if he had killed the predator,
the if the fiance, the alleged predator, the alleged predator,
the fiance, it would have been.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay, well he didn't kill he killed the predator.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
No, well he killed them what? No?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
He killed the wife? Yeah, but she knew about it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, Yeah, she knew about it, so she therefore is
absolutely she is. Yeah, all right, if she knew about it,
I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Teach you the law's day. There's a thing about there's
a thing about accessory before and after the fact. You're
gonna go to jail forever. Same crime, Dave, not me.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Although it is interesting that both that the woman was
at the time of the crime, though the victim was
forty one years old, and both the ex husband and
the and the fiance.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
How old are you, Dave, in their sixties? How old
are you? I'm sixty seve and you have a new girlfriend, right, yeah?
How old is she? She's forty.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
She's at her forties, really, so that's like fifteen years, right, seventeen,
so you know how old she is?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Seventeen? Yeah, I mean it's very easy. A lot of
times it's easy for people to manipulate younger people and
to manipulate someone, to murder someone.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Easy for women sometimes to manipulate older men.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Absolutely. Day. Yeah, I'm a victim. I love a twenty
five year old girl to manipulate me into something.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
If only we were all right, let's go, let's bend
the way.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
One next story. And I don't even know what this
one's going to be called, Day, but I think it's
crimes against humanity.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
This is beautiful. Oh, some sort of a crime. It
comes from our hometown of Beverly, mass Chusetts where on
social media, And this comes from social media where police
circulated a picture of a quote mystery urinator.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I saw the picture and the first thing I said,
where was ratting in Friday night? And I guess you
had a comedy show one hundred miles away, So you're
not a suspect anymore. He looks nothing like me.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But the suspect allegedly, I don't know if it's he
was even allegedly, but let's say it is pede on
the bar at a local establishment, and they have a
picture which are pay to come from a security camera,
which means, if I'm right, there's probably video of.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Absolutely yeah, it's video. But the thing in Beverly, there's
a couple of bars that are really nice bars where
if this happened at that bar, I can see law
enforcement getting involved. But there's a couple of real shady
bars where people are pissing everywhere in the bar. David,
it's not a big deal, so it must have been
a nice bar.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I guess you're the expert on those kind of bars.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
According to the social media post, it urged the yearine
to come in for a chat quote unquote, noting that quote,
if you come forward and take responsibility, it'll go a
lot better for you than if we find out another way.
The post also said, quote, let's keep our local establishment
a place for good times, not biohazard cleanups.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, you're gonna have the bio hazard crew. They usually
chide around one thousand dollars that come in, do they
really Yeah, they're very expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Honestly, have to get a bio hazard crew to clean
up Peak.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You probably would if people found out about it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
If you like, if you put a post on social media.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, put up Yeah, and people knew about it, then
the health department would would require a biohazard cleanup.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It is incredibly gross. Think about all.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So that thirty second p is going to cost the
buy one thousand bucks. Straight up, that's a good job
of going. Bio hasard cleanup death scenes, Dave, suicides, homicides,
dead bodies. About our retirement job. Yeah, the retirement job, Dave. Yeah,
it probably lasts about a day.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Anyway, I just want to hit this in the Accuording
to an update, the man has been identified. It was
not clear from reading the update whether or not the
he's had that chat with.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Me, he probably should go in with this lawyer.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I would assume that he probably did. And the irony
here is that I had an experience like this and
I think I know why he did it. Now, let
me ask you this question first before we get to
that Dell. When you were a cop, did you ever
chase mystery urinators?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Not that I recalled Dave by that. I don't know
if this is the same as that, But I paid
a few prostitutes to pissed on me, David. Is that
too much information for the falsima? Est you want to
know what this case is, This is a very It's
a fine line in this case between public urination meaning
zipping your pants down, pissing in public, not really in
(24:42):
a bar, but in a side alley where you're at
the beach and you're up on a hill and you're
pissing behind a tree. That right there. If the cops
found out about that and no one saw anything other
than a man pissing, they didn't see his genitals, then
you could be arrested for disorderly are disturbing the peace?
Disorderly conduct? We have embarrassing, not a big crime. Would
(25:05):
that really happen, Well, this is where it happens, Dave.
Take note, please on this day, if you have to
urinate in public, yes, and you unzip it and you
go behind a tree and you shake it once, Dave,
to get rid of the excess. Yep, you should be fine.
If you shake it three or four times and a
group of high school girls are walking by, Dave, then
(25:25):
you're gonna get arrested for opening gross s lewdness, all right,
which is a felony. Then you're gonna have to register
as a sex offender a level one, which is a
low risk. That would be a low risk. If you
were caught urinating in public and an opening gross lewdness,
you'd probably be a level one sex offender. But if
you are a level two or a level three, that's
(25:47):
like sexually abusing someone, sexual assault of a child, or
something like that. So be a weird, Dave. Of those
sex offender levels, you don't want to be a level one,
two or three. This is your pictures gonna be put
right next to one of your comedy posters. Is gonna
be level two sex offender? That would be comedy show,
would be a good comedy show, all level two and
(26:07):
three sex offenders comedians. I know a couple that might
be level two and three. Friends are yours?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Anyway, we're gonna move off of that topic, at least
with the comedians as sex offenders.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
In the circumstance that you described, where somebody is, let's
say they're drunk and they're out there pants down. Yes, okay, Now,
how much latitude does the cop in the street have
about basically, because there's a difference between somebody who's just
drunk and making an idiot yourself and as a rapist,
(26:43):
or somebody who's who's peeping, or somebody who's.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
If I saw you walking down the street, Dave, at
eleven o'clock at night, you were coming from the beach,
there was no one around, and your shorts are hanging off,
and you're hammered and your asses hanging out, and maybe
your genitals are exposed, I'll always say somebody besides, how
about yeah, not Dave Rattigan's just some other sixty five
year old. Oh god, twenty kid, you're a twenty Every
(27:10):
situation is different. Okay, you're a twenty year old kid,
you're at a party, you get drunk, You're pissing the backyard,
making a fool yourself. You're pissing in the backyard, and
the neighbor who wasn't invited to the party takes a
look at you. She calls the cops. She describes that
he was pissing in the backyard. Season cop would probably
just either speak to the kid if he's drunk, protective custody.
(27:32):
You shut the party down. Everyone goes home, same situation.
He's in the backyard, he's pissing, he's shaking his penis
three or four times. Her two or three daughters are
in the backyard. They're eleven and twelve years old. He's
gawking at him. He's saying, hey girls, and he's shaking it.
He's getting arrested, opening gross s lewdness, level three sex offender.
(27:55):
Every situation is different, So you call it kids. If
all the kids shake it once, don't expose it to anyone.
Go behind a tree, do it at pitch dark, don't
do it in the daylight hours, don't do it on
a main street, don't do it in front of a
bunch of young girls. And you should be fine. Anything
other than that, Dave, there's a fine line between is
(28:18):
this guy just a drunk idiot or is he like
a sexual predator trying.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
To and that's why the cop pull the wool over
their eyes. Yeah, the cop has to make the decision.
And do cops still have I mean, you hear so
much from you get discretion about how little discretion there
is on so many on.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Those type of my experience with those type of crimes, Dave,
if there was any doubt that if I didn't arrest
that person, I'd be on the front page of the
newspaper the next day. Cop refuses to arrest sex offender.
They're getting arrested just to cover my ass, right to you,
most cops are like that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Let me ask you this question. When you get the
when you get the kid, when you get the let's
say whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
However, twenty five year old guy, guy.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do you put him in the cruise er and check
his his his his record.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Making Oh absolutely, you'll you'll check the record because if
he's never been arrested and it was just really minor,
then you're probably gonna charge him with the least amount.
If he has a long criminal history with things like
that before, if he has sex crimes in the past, Oh, absolutely,
he's getting everything you can charge him with. He's gonna
(29:26):
get because you know that this individual is a risk
to society. This is into my pension, Davey, He's a
risk to my pension.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I'm gonna say yeah in my house and my cause,
what about this situation, because I I you know, you
always hear about like the the somebody becomes a sex
offender because they they're eighteen and they've got a I
know message was at sixteen, right, it's the age good
sets of yeah, sixteen, seventeen and they have sex with
a fifteen year old friend and so there, you know,
(29:54):
you hear about this where where whatever whatever, And it
goes to court and the the kid gets convicted, the
boy gets cooded. Yes, boyfriend girlfriend thing.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But statutory rate type situation does this happen. It's not
that calm, and it's not that calm, and I think
parents school people. It's I'm not saying it's it's under it.
It is. It's understandable seventeen year old kid is dating
a fifteen year old girl. Every situation would be handled
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differently if the parents thought that their fifteen year old
girl was maybe a little emotionally challenged, and she wasn't
like a stude enough to understand the situation, and they
had a seventeen year old who was taking advantage of her.
That's where you see people getting charged.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So basically, what you're saying is keep it in your pants.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, keeping your pants until you're both at least sixteen
and there shouldn't be a problem. And don't date.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Don't date fifteen year old girls if you're seventeen.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Or if you're a twenty five year old teacher, don't
be dating a twelve year old student. Wait till the
kid's sixteen. Come on, give it a break. How do
we always get off track here? Day? This is the
wheel of misfortunate. You want to know what's fortunate? If
I was a fourteen year old kid and my twenty
seven year old teacher was hitting on me, that would
be the wheel of fortune.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Dave, I know, I know there's an argument against that,
but I'm not gonna I can't remember, all right, I'm sorry,
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Let me. I might delete it, but I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You want to go off, You want to go way
off that that's a question. Have you seen these websites
when they post pictures of teachers and female teachers who
have sex with his student. Yes, have you noticed that
most of these women are really good looking?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, I've noticed that. I have noticed that. I got
to say, I don't know if they're just showing the
really attractive ones and they're weeding out the homely looking
librarian ones.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Maybe maybe they just maybe that's maybe that's the case.
But I always I look at it and I think,
but then again it then it comes down to the
fact that beyond a certain point, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah and all serious. I know, we joke about it,
but an all seriousness, a predator, a sexual predator can
be a female or a male. Yeah. Yeah, so we're
just joking about it. We're really not that demented. Come on, Dave,
one of us isn't.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
All right anyway, Here's the irony behind this case is
that I actually have experienced I think I know why
this guy did this. All right, all right, I tell you,
And I don't know for a fact, but here's what
I think, because I had this experience. I years ago,
I'm doing a comedy open mic. The place has been
long closed. It was a dark place, and one of
the comedians at the open mic was in recovery and
(32:33):
he brought I don't know if it was a sponsor, or,
if it was somebody.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Like this alcoholics anonymous recovery like he didn't have an
injured wrisk like you gave all right, alcohol recovery, Okay,
he was in.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
AA or another program similar to that, and he brought
along another person who was in recovery, and the per
sponsor the person well, I don't know if it was
a sponsor, or, if he was sponsoring the guy, or
if it was just a buddy or what the deal was.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It was a long time ago, yeah, but the guy
basically had a relapse. Very sad Is this in a bar?
This is most most people who are in recovery. First
of all, they don't go to bars, but Lloyd bars
they do. Absolutely not how long you've been in and
blah blah blah. I get that.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
But anyway, this guy should not have been well, let's
put it this way. It turned out badly. He got
himself a drink, He got himself drunk and the next
thing you know, I didn't see it, but I heard
from other people that he was peeing.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That was probably the funniest open mic right, So all
the comics probably sucked other than you, so you were
the best, and then the guy pissing the shit and
on the wall, he was the second best comic of
the night. Dave, that is gross. I have to say.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
It's the best thing about this is the way your
face lights up when you talk about people peeing in public. Anyway,
this is what I think happened to this guy. I
think he's probably is a guy who's got a problem.
He's probably best served if they can put him into
a program. And probably at some point he drank and
then they shut offs which went and it was here,
(33:56):
I'm guessing he blacked out and he just peed on
the bar.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
If he doesn't have a criminal record, and based on
the video how malicious he was, was he malicious or
was it accidental? Was it? How intentional was it? They'll
make a determination right in regards to whether he whether
he gets charged with it, whether he does community service
or something like that. But if he has a criminal record,
all bets are off he's going to get charged to
(34:20):
the full extent of what he did. Really legally, Absolutely
he will record.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Absolutely it doesn't Yeah, I mean, I guess that makes
sense and we don't know what else he did. Apparently,
based on what we saw on social media, all he
did was ye, how many people were in the bar?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Did he wave it at a couple of college girls?
Was it one person in the bar? Did he shake
it one's Dave? Or did he shake it eight times?
You're really fascinated by the Well, there's a big difference
between you shaking it once and shaking it eight day?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Well? Yeah, if you're shaking an eight day, you're probably
playing with yourself. Just to let you know that, is that?
I don't know if. I don't know if it's the minimum.
But I don't know the law on this one. I
didn't check that. It's not in the law. It's kind
of your own opinion. Okay, Uh so I ask your question, Dave. Yeah,
the comic who did this? Do I know him? Is
(35:07):
he one of our comic friends? No? He was? His
name isn't Paul?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No? Okay? If not Paul, not Dizzy.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I wasn't gonna give the last names.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Not Paul.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Probably somebody who's a fairly decent guy, because otherwise I
would remember him if he was a jerk.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Oh, if he was a great comic. You always remember
the great comics, well, the great comics and the terrible
right Jim your name again? Oh day?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Anyway, you remember the great comics, and you remember the
guys who were real drugs. Yeah, I don't remember him
as a real druk. So I'm guessing he was probably
a pretty good guy.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And he probably well, if he's listening, hopefully, uh yeah,
you're on the wagon. Still, he probably remembered. Hopefully you're
on the wagon.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Hopefully his friend got some help and hopefully this and
if you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Fall off the wagon, just don't be pissing in bars
and you'll be all right. Brother.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Hopefully this mystery urinator and I don't know if it
would be considered enough of a of a punishment for
anybody have the picture circulated on social.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Oh wow, that's very That's that's bad. That's that right.
There is is worse than anything that can happen assuming
people know who he is. But someone identify them. Someone,
someone always knows something. Ature you can't get away with
this is kind of off the beaten path of this.
You can't get away with anything. Now, you can't even
burn I've had I've always wanted to burn a couple
(36:22):
of my cars so I can get the insurance money.
I wouldn't even think about it. Someone would catch me
on camera somewhere somehow. This is the reason I haven't
murdered anyone. Yeah, because there's a dumble But you can't
even dumb a body nowadays, Dave. No, don't know someone's
gonna kidnap a kid.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
A doorbell camera and actual security.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Dave, we're not gonna have any We're not gonna have
any more subject matter for this Wheel and Misfortune because
people aren't going to commit any more crimes because they're
gonna think they're gonna get caught on a security camera.
So keep on kidnapping those kids, keep on murdering your
loved one, so we can have some subject matter. I
think that's about it for the for the for the day.
What do you think, Dave, that's.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Such a friendly upfeed message to leave on.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
But I think we're done. I think we're done. I'm Dave.
That's dale. This has been the Wheel of Misfortune. Thanks
for tuning in, See you next week.
Miss Fortune. Go standing around, Hello and welcome to Wheel
of Misfortune. I'm Dave Radigan with me my partner, Dale Lawrence.
(00:38):
You might remember us from our old podcast. Dale is
a retired marine, a retired police officer, and generally just
tired all around.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Dale. How you doing, Dave? You use that partner term
a little bit too loosely. I'm not sure if they
think we're partners or we're partners in podcasting because I'm
happily married, Dave to an illegal. I had to say
that because maybe Tom Holman and this ice crew can
reverse the IP address on this podcast and be out
(01:09):
front tomorrow morning and grab aati here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, first, first, I know your wife's from Puerto Rico,
and I know you don't believe this, but that's part.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of the okay, and my bad, my bad.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm sure as if anybody got to look at your
picture they would know that. Even if I was a
game man, I don't think i'd be attracted.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But what do we got with We have a misfortune.
We're gonna spin it and wear it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm gonna spin the wheel right now, Dave. Here we go, brother,
and it looks like it's gonna stop on oops wrong address, Dave.
This is kind of a it's a disturbing story out
of Kentucky, and I'll kind of read the headlines as
they appeared in the Associated Press. A Kentucky man by
(01:51):
the name of Doug Harless, age sixty three, is dead
after London police shot and killed him in his own home.
Officers were investigating a case of stolen lawn equipment, a
weed whacker and a heater, not actually the crime of
the century the day, but we're going to get back
to that shortly. But they went to the wrong home
(02:14):
offices with the London Police Department showed up with a
search warrant. Another very important aspect of this case. At
you're going to check the address Dave at five eleven
Van Zant Road in Lily, Kentucky on December twenty third,
twenty twenty four, at around midnight. So this address is
(02:37):
just down the road, about three hundred feet from where
they were supposed to go. What was written on the
search warrant for eighty nine van Zant Road. Now, according
to a neighbor, she states, I went out and looked
out the back door and there were cops all around
Doug's house. I hope nothing happened to Doug. The neighbors said.
(02:59):
She just described Doug as a peaceful and pleasant man
who would do anything for you. Now, the police department,
who's taken a lot of heat on this case, and
as we go through the case, hilarious, Yeah, you'll understand why.
But their official affidavit of the shooting states officers knocked
on the front door, announcing themselves as law enforcement with
(03:23):
a search warrant. It was reported the arcument of the home.
Doug Harless acknowledged their presence, but refused to open the
door as requested. His officers breached the front door, contact
was made with the homeowner near the homes entryway. Harless,
armed with a handgun, raised it in the direction of
(03:44):
the officers, and at that point an officer fired multiple
rounds from his agency issued patrol rifle, fatally wounding Harless.
So what do you think, Dave case closed? Just let
it go? What what do you think? You know? That's
a good question. I assume not. I assume not.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
If nothing else, it's a colossal screw up with devastating circumstances. Obviously,
as you and I know, not the only time that
this has ever happened in the history of police work.
When you were a cop, did you ever serve I
had a friend, We have a mutual.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Friend, mutual comic friend.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yes, he was living alone in a suburb and an
apartment complex and in the middle of the night, once.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Bang bang bang bang bang bang, bank opens the.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Door, looks out there are cops all there. He opens
the door for him, I mean he was out of
bed for him and he opens the door. They looked
at him and they said, you're not a sixty two
year old lady, and then they turned around. They left
no explanation.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And now that you ask me that, Yeah, we had
an incident in Beverly, Massachusetts, back in July fourteen, around
two thousand. Richard Sharp, he was a millionaire Harvard educated doctor,
I remember this from Wenham, Massachusetts, and he shot his wife.
She was going to divorce him. She was going to
(04:58):
take say three million dollars. He didn't want to give
her any money, so he shot his wife with a
rifle in the doorway of their home with witnesses. Family
members witnessed it and they called nine to one one
and they stated that there was a shooting on Hull Street,
and they called the Beverly Police department. Well Hall Street
(05:19):
runs through Beverly. The numbers run one through fifty in
Beverly and then once Beverly connects to Wenham they run
one through fifty in Wenam. Oh So, Beverly police officers
went to the address in Beverly. However, the incident happened
in Wenham. Wow, So Beverly police showed up at the house.
(05:40):
They dragged everyone out of the house, husband, wife, children,
put guns to them, ordered them on the ground. Five
minutes later, they found out they were at the wrong
address and they sent offices to the actual address in Wenham.
Sharp's address. He had already fled the area. He was
caught two days later and the wife was dead. That's horrible,
(06:01):
and he ultimately committed suicide in prison January fifth, two
thousand and nine. One of the more real funny story
about that not that this isn't a funny story, because
it's not a funny story.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Not a funny story. It's traumatic for all involved.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
If you don't like police officers, this will piss you
off even more good. A day or two after this incident,
the family from the Hull Street address in Beverly. They
were very pissed off because the cops went to the
wrong house and dragged them out a gunpoint. She came
in to complain and she was met with an old
time police officer and she said, I want to file
a complaint, and he said to her, get the fuck
(06:37):
out of my station or I'll arrest you. No comment
on that, right, Dave, No comment.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Let me ask you this question. If a cop shows
up in that case, If yes, cop shows up at
the wrong place, obviously there's a shooting. Now there's a
question of all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Everyone's jacked up. There's a lot of adrenaline going on.
It was just the wrong address street, wrong address.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
If they show up at the wrong house, they rush
you out out of your bed, they terrorize you. Is
there any kind of a ramification for the cops in
that case?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Usually not. I mean, in this case they went to
the wrong house and they killed someone, totally different story
in the case I just described. People will get upset
at it. The mayor, the chief of police will have
to make an apology to the family. Civil cases follow
there was no civil case. What could there be? It
could be I guess people could suffer post traumatic stress disorder. Dave,
(07:33):
that's a pretty common term nowadays. Everyone's stressed out.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, I mean it's a pretty it's a pretty I
mean I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I know, it's probably not a pleasant thing to
happen to you. I to if the cops knocked on
my door, I'd have to hide so many things. Oh, absolutely,
way do you hide the body's Dave, exactly. But but
in this case, there are definitely three or four very
unfortunate issues with this case that's set it in motion.
So first of all, if you look at the police
to apartment in Kentucky, there's like thirty police officers on
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the department. They serve a population of around seventy five hundred.
Bottom line, Dave. In my opinion, I think there are
a bunch of hillbillies and they didn't have a hell
of a lot going on. So when they had the
opportunity to do a search warrant for some stolen items,
they went full force on it and they overdid it.
(08:23):
And the fact that they were able to get a
search warrant for the items we talked about. The items
were a weed whacker and a heater, probably under a
thousand dollars. They got a search warrant for a night
time search. So this sells you one of two things.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, either somebody's friendly with a judge or it was
a really nice wed whacker.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The person whose weed whacker it was was an official
in that county. So I think what happened was and
I might touch on that in a minute, but I
think what happened was he went to the cops. He's
in a he probably put a little pressure on him
get my stuff back, and the cops from a small
town went full bore on it. They very easily could
(09:09):
have served this search warrant during the day, during the
day light hours six in the morning, when it's light out.
No one's going to be mistaken the cops for neighborhood
thugs pounding on your door. People aren't going to get
roused out of their bed. Someone could be intoxicated at
night in their own home, and then the cops show
up and they make a mistake in judgment, and then
(09:32):
it turns out to how this situation turned out.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I know there's an advantage to coming at night.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
When you have exigen circumstances. Let's say you're looking for
a missing person with his's drugs or a large quantity
of money, and the people that you're going after are
really bad people, then absolutely the cops. They can go
at night with night vision goggles, element of surprise, people
are sleeping things like that to catch them off guard,
(10:01):
tactical advantage. But this case, we're talking a weed whacker
in some sort of a heater and that's all we're
looking for. So to even have a search warrant issued
in a case like this for those items, it's a
lot easier if you just have a couple of patrol
men who are pretty good speaking to people. You're knock
(10:21):
on the door and say, hey, brother, we understand you
might have purchased inadvertently a stolen item, a weed whacker
and a heater. When you just kick it back to us.
If there's going to be any charges going forward, we'll
let you know. Just give us the items back, they
go on their way, no harm, no foul. I've done
that one hundred times as a cop with minor items.
(10:43):
I'm not talking about a stolen car or ten thousand
dollars in cash, a stolen bicycle, a stolen cell phone,
just little little items like that. It's fine to deal
with them on the street level.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Let me suggest another scenario. Perhaps there're a chance that
this guy that they were going after was a bad guy.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
There's really not a lot written on that he was
a bad guy. Meaning did they really have to have
six to eight cops? Because what I saw on the video,
there was six to eight cops at midnight? Right, but
not right?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There was nothing to said about the guy. But I mean,
would that be a possibility?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Would you would if you have a really bad actor,
you're looking for a really bad guy, absolutely you're gonna
come with enough force to neutralize any potential threat.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Could you get a search warrant for a weed whack
or in a heater?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Kind of the whole issue here, who even signed off
on the search warrant for a weed whack or in
a heater? Right? Right? Who signed off on that? And
it just it kind of goes back to, like the
overkill cops get a little bit too over zealous. They
might be pressured by a local official whose items it was,
so now it's a political matter. They might not have
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liked the guy. They knew who the guy was that
stole the items, and they said he's just a common
little criminal, let's go bust his balls. And it just
turned into a really really bad situation where someone got
killed over it. So a couple of things you need
when you even get a search warrant is that you
need to correct address, and you need to state that
(12:12):
the address is either it's on the front door, it's
on a mailbox, it's on a post, so you know
where the address is. The color of the house. Is
it white, is it gray? Is it red? The color
of the front door. Because if you have two houses
next to each other, they're both white, and we're going
to the house with the red door, you know you're
(12:32):
at the right house. Is it a single family house,
is it a two story house? Garage? Is there a garage?
Any other critical house identifiers so something like this doesn't happen,
so you don't go to the wrong house. Because I
did a Google search in this area. It's a wooded area.
(12:53):
It's all houses on little hills. It kind of looks
like almost like Appalachia. It's really rural. It's really there's
no lights there. And all the factors that can come
into play here came into play four eighty nine to
five eleven, three hundred feet away three hundred feet. Okay,
so enough that you made a pretty big mistake. Yeah,
(13:13):
there was a mistake, man. And what they also probably
should have known that, according to neighbors that this pot
of town there was known for some drug dealing in
that neighborhood. There was people breaking into houses in that neighborhood.
So a bunch of little punky kids and maybe some
thugs were kind of strong on people in that neighborhood.
So some of the people in that neighborhood, to include
(13:36):
the victim here, he was afraid that he might be victimized.
So you awaken him at twelve at night and he's thinking,
and it's pitch dark because it was pitch dark there.
There's very little street lights. I even checked the moon.
It was a half moon and it was very very
dark in the middle of the woods with no lights.
So he's half asleep. He wakes up people pounding on
(13:57):
the door. He can't necessarily determ cop or criminal trying
to come into his house. People use the term cop
all the time. Cops are here knocking on the door, cops,
and they put you at ease. Then you open the
door and they rob you. Wow. So everything that could
have gone wrong, made this a very unfortunate situation.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That's understanding it. Yeah, So what's the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, the bottom line from a law enforcement perspective, I
think it was poor supervision from the go because it
was a lot easier just to get the items returned
with a couple of street cops walking to the house
knocking on the door as long as they felt it
was safe to do that. Now, a nighttime search warrant,
that's kind of to me that was the biggest issue,
(14:42):
especially the for the items that they're looking for. They're petty,
materialistic items, so the search warrant should have been done
in the morning. It goes to who approved it, how
many supervisors, how many street sergeants, how many lieutenants did,
the chief did, the Clerk of courts, whoever had to
see the search warrant? How many people saw it and
(15:03):
checked off on it. Because in Massachusetts, three or four
sets of eyes are gonna look at a search warrant
and they're gonna determine is it really what we need here? Right?
It's just really that serious that we need a search warrant,
And at any point during that process someone can deny
it and if it's denied, then you have to figure
out another way to get those items back. In this case,
(15:26):
it looks like everyone bunch of gunslingers out there. They
all said check, check, check, and they went out and
did the search warrant. And poor Doug, I'm thinking he
was half asleep and he was probably thinking that the
cops weren't the cops and there were just some local
thugs trying to break into his house.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right, big mistake, horrible. And so what we're gonna do
in this podcast is we're gonna take the news stories
have some irony in them, offer a tragic and horrible
and we're gonna just laugh about them and talk about
how things could have gone sideways in this case, and
and just talk about the irony of life. And at
(16:02):
times we're going to appear to be probably, I don't know,
a little callous. I think it's gonna cause us or
we Yeah, callous, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I know, Yeah, callous sounds like a big college educated
term for you, Dave, for me.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, So welcome to Willel Misfortune with Will Spin.
So we stop in unusual stories touched by irony, in
sometimes usually ending badly that's marine and retired police officer
Dale Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And I'm Dave Radigan.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
As we've said, I'm a former newspaper reporter, currently a
college professor, a comedian, and some of with a lot
of personal experience and things that end really badly.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I know, Dave. I've been to some of your comedy shows, Dave,
and many of them and very badly. You got no idea.
Let's spind the wheel. It's spinning again, Dave. And it
looks like David's stopping on potential murder.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Potential, Yeah, it sounds like admitted murder. This is also
from the AP. South Carolina man on a trial for
murder made a confession on the stand. The result was
a guilty verdict for him and the arrest of one
of his friends. Here's how it happened. According to the
Associated Press, Zachary Hughes admitted to cutting his victim's throat
(17:16):
and wanted the jury to hear his reason. According to him,
the woman and her fiance were sexually abusing the woman's daughter,
who was also the daughter of the man's friend. On
the witness stand, Hughes said the child's father and woman's
former husband, John Mellow, told the man where the woman
would be and when she would be alone. Mello had
(17:39):
offered him five thousand and then ten thousand in a
murder for hire, but he wouldn't take the money, Hughes explained,
until he heard about the alleged sexual abuse. According to
the AP, Mello was arrested as Hughes was testifying, dal
what do you think his defense attorney was thinking, well,
I can tell you what you should be thinking day.
(18:01):
First of all, criminals are inherently stupid, so stuff like
this happens all the time. But unfortunately for us, poor victims,
poor innocent civilians, a lot of criminals are primitive and ruthless.
So this guy was inherently stupid, but he was so
primitive and so ruthless he was able to kill someone.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's an interesting thing because, you know, again, we're just
going by what we have in the AP report. They
didn't have anything about this guy was a Juliet educated musician, Yes,
nothing in there about him having a criminal record. Maybe
he did, maybe he didn't. It sounded to me like
this guy just wanted his story told. The fact that
he was on the witness stand probably means that his
(18:41):
defense attorney either was obeying his wishes, going by the
client's wishes, or the case was lost one of the two.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, I'm thinking an experienced defense attorney would be able
to understand his client if he's a savvy client. Because
a lot of criminals, yeah, who've testified before, Yeah, they
know how to deal with courts, they know how to
deal with their emotions, they know how to be evasive.
So when a defense attorney's going to know, I have
a season criminal, I'm you know, I'm that's what makes
(19:11):
me think he's not a season Yeah, he's not a
season criminal. So the defense attorney rolled the dice and
he's probably saying, why did I do that?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, And the man was even saying, you know, I
felt better after I did it. I protected that girl.
I'm paraphrasing, but anyway, this is not where the Irondy ends.
The victim's fiance, sixty eight year old Bradley Post, is
awaiting trial on child sex abuse charges. Now again, the
newspapers are not giving out all the information. There are
(19:39):
no details about the case. You know, one victim, two victims, however,
many victims. There's a civil lawsuit that again according to
the ap identifies the daughter as the victim in that case,
So what the man was saying it could none of
it was allowed in court.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
There is a civil.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Case and a criminal case that says the woman's fe
is or the victim's fiance was in fact the child predator.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The thing about this whole case, Dave, is I don't
think there's a lot of sympathy. I think, you know,
the guy who who murdered, oh, yeah, the lady. He
should be locked up because he slicing someone's throat. He's
pretty vicious. But I think when you're talking about sexual predators, yeah,
I don't think people really care if they get killed.
I think those normal people. If if I said to you, Dave, so.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
If he had killed if he had killed the predator,
the if the fiance, the alleged predator, the alleged predator,
the fiance, it would have been.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay, well he didn't kill he killed the predator.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
No, well he killed them what? No?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
He killed the wife? Yeah, but she knew about it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, Yeah, she knew about it, so she therefore is
absolutely she is. Yeah, all right, if she knew about it,
I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Teach you the law's day. There's a thing about there's
a thing about accessory before and after the fact. You're
gonna go to jail forever. Same crime, Dave, not me.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Although it is interesting that both that the woman was
at the time of the crime, though the victim was
forty one years old, and both the ex husband and
the and the fiance.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
How old are you, Dave, in their sixties? How old
are you? I'm sixty seve and you have a new girlfriend, right, yeah?
How old is she? She's forty.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
She's at her forties, really, so that's like fifteen years, right, seventeen,
so you know how old she is?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Seventeen? Yeah, I mean it's very easy. A lot of
times it's easy for people to manipulate younger people and
to manipulate someone, to murder someone.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Easy for women sometimes to manipulate older men.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Absolutely. Day. Yeah, I'm a victim. I love a twenty
five year old girl to manipulate me into something.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
If only we were all right, let's go, let's bend
the way.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
One next story. And I don't even know what this
one's going to be called, Day, but I think it's
crimes against humanity.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
This is beautiful. Oh, some sort of a crime. It
comes from our hometown of Beverly, mass Chusetts where on
social media, And this comes from social media where police
circulated a picture of a quote mystery urinator.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I saw the picture and the first thing I said,
where was ratting in Friday night? And I guess you
had a comedy show one hundred miles away, So you're
not a suspect anymore. He looks nothing like me.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But the suspect allegedly, I don't know if it's he
was even allegedly, but let's say it is pede on
the bar at a local establishment, and they have a
picture which are pay to come from a security camera,
which means, if I'm right, there's probably video of.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Absolutely yeah, it's video. But the thing in Beverly, there's
a couple of bars that are really nice bars where
if this happened at that bar, I can see law
enforcement getting involved. But there's a couple of real shady
bars where people are pissing everywhere in the bar. David,
it's not a big deal, so it must have been
a nice bar.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I guess you're the expert on those kind of bars.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
According to the social media post, it urged the yearine
to come in for a chat quote unquote, noting that quote,
if you come forward and take responsibility, it'll go a
lot better for you than if we find out another way.
The post also said, quote, let's keep our local establishment
a place for good times, not biohazard cleanups.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, you're gonna have the bio hazard crew. They usually
chide around one thousand dollars that come in, do they
really Yeah, they're very expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Honestly, have to get a bio hazard crew to clean
up Peak.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You probably would if people found out about it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
If you like, if you put a post on social media.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, put up Yeah, and people knew about it, then
the health department would would require a biohazard cleanup.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It is incredibly gross. Think about all.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So that thirty second p is going to cost the
buy one thousand bucks. Straight up, that's a good job
of going. Bio hasard cleanup death scenes, Dave, suicides, homicides,
dead bodies. About our retirement job. Yeah, the retirement job, Dave. Yeah,
it probably lasts about a day.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Anyway, I just want to hit this in the Accuording
to an update, the man has been identified. It was
not clear from reading the update whether or not the
he's had that chat with.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Me, he probably should go in with this lawyer.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I would assume that he probably did. And the irony
here is that I had an experience like this and
I think I know why he did it. Now, let
me ask you this question first before we get to
that Dell. When you were a cop, did you ever
chase mystery urinators?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Not that I recalled Dave by that. I don't know
if this is the same as that, But I paid
a few prostitutes to pissed on me, David. Is that
too much information for the falsima? Est you want to
know what this case is, This is a very It's
a fine line in this case between public urination meaning
zipping your pants down, pissing in public, not really in
(24:42):
a bar, but in a side alley where you're at
the beach and you're up on a hill and you're
pissing behind a tree. That right there. If the cops
found out about that and no one saw anything other
than a man pissing, they didn't see his genitals, then
you could be arrested for disorderly are disturbing the peace?
Disorderly conduct? We have embarrassing, not a big crime. Would
(25:05):
that really happen, Well, this is where it happens, Dave.
Take note, please on this day, if you have to
urinate in public, yes, and you unzip it and you
go behind a tree and you shake it once, Dave,
to get rid of the excess. Yep, you should be fine.
If you shake it three or four times and a
group of high school girls are walking by, Dave, then
(25:25):
you're gonna get arrested for opening gross s lewdness, all right,
which is a felony. Then you're gonna have to register
as a sex offender a level one, which is a
low risk. That would be a low risk. If you
were caught urinating in public and an opening gross lewdness,
you'd probably be a level one sex offender. But if
you are a level two or a level three, that's
(25:47):
like sexually abusing someone, sexual assault of a child, or
something like that. So be a weird, Dave. Of those
sex offender levels, you don't want to be a level one,
two or three. This is your pictures gonna be put
right next to one of your comedy posters. Is gonna
be level two sex offender? That would be comedy show,
would be a good comedy show, all level two and
(26:07):
three sex offenders comedians. I know a couple that might
be level two and three. Friends are yours?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Anyway, we're gonna move off of that topic, at least
with the comedians as sex offenders.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
In the circumstance that you described, where somebody is, let's
say they're drunk and they're out there pants down. Yes, okay, Now,
how much latitude does the cop in the street have
about basically, because there's a difference between somebody who's just
drunk and making an idiot yourself and as a rapist,
(26:43):
or somebody who's who's peeping, or somebody who's.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
If I saw you walking down the street, Dave, at
eleven o'clock at night, you were coming from the beach,
there was no one around, and your shorts are hanging off,
and you're hammered and your asses hanging out, and maybe
your genitals are exposed, I'll always say somebody besides, how
about yeah, not Dave Rattigan's just some other sixty five
year old. Oh god, twenty kid, you're a twenty Every
(27:10):
situation is different. Okay, you're a twenty year old kid,
you're at a party, you get drunk, You're pissing the backyard,
making a fool yourself. You're pissing in the backyard, and
the neighbor who wasn't invited to the party takes a
look at you. She calls the cops. She describes that
he was pissing in the backyard. Season cop would probably
just either speak to the kid if he's drunk, protective custody.
(27:32):
You shut the party down. Everyone goes home, same situation.
He's in the backyard, he's pissing, he's shaking his penis
three or four times. Her two or three daughters are
in the backyard. They're eleven and twelve years old. He's
gawking at him. He's saying, hey girls, and he's shaking it.
He's getting arrested, opening gross s lewdness, level three sex offender.
(27:55):
Every situation is different, So you call it kids. If
all the kids shake it once, don't expose it to anyone.
Go behind a tree, do it at pitch dark, don't
do it in the daylight hours, don't do it on
a main street, don't do it in front of a
bunch of young girls. And you should be fine. Anything
other than that, Dave, there's a fine line between is
(28:18):
this guy just a drunk idiot or is he like
a sexual predator trying.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
To and that's why the cop pull the wool over
their eyes. Yeah, the cop has to make the decision.
And do cops still have I mean, you hear so
much from you get discretion about how little discretion there
is on so many on.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Those type of my experience with those type of crimes, Dave,
if there was any doubt that if I didn't arrest
that person, I'd be on the front page of the
newspaper the next day. Cop refuses to arrest sex offender.
They're getting arrested just to cover my ass, right to you,
most cops are like that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Let me ask you this question. When you get the
when you get the kid, when you get the let's
say whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
However, twenty five year old guy, guy.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do you put him in the cruise er and check
his his his his record.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Making Oh absolutely, you'll you'll check the record because if
he's never been arrested and it was just really minor,
then you're probably gonna charge him with the least amount.
If he has a long criminal history with things like
that before, if he has sex crimes in the past, Oh, absolutely,
he's getting everything you can charge him with. He's gonna
(29:26):
get because you know that this individual is a risk
to society. This is into my pension, Davey, He's a
risk to my pension.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I'm gonna say yeah in my house and my cause,
what about this situation, because I I you know, you
always hear about like the the somebody becomes a sex
offender because they they're eighteen and they've got a I
know message was at sixteen, right, it's the age good
sets of yeah, sixteen, seventeen and they have sex with
a fifteen year old friend and so there, you know,
(29:54):
you hear about this where where whatever whatever, And it
goes to court and the the kid gets convicted, the
boy gets cooded. Yes, boyfriend girlfriend thing.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But statutory rate type situation does this happen. It's not
that calm, and it's not that calm, and I think
parents school people. It's I'm not saying it's it's under it.
It is. It's understandable seventeen year old kid is dating
a fifteen year old girl. Every situation would be handled
(30:25):
differently if the parents thought that their fifteen year old
girl was maybe a little emotionally challenged, and she wasn't
like a stude enough to understand the situation, and they
had a seventeen year old who was taking advantage of her.
That's where you see people getting charged.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So basically, what you're saying is keep it in your pants.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, keeping your pants until you're both at least sixteen
and there shouldn't be a problem. And don't date.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Don't date fifteen year old girls if you're seventeen.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Or if you're a twenty five year old teacher, don't
be dating a twelve year old student. Wait till the
kid's sixteen. Come on, give it a break. How do
we always get off track here? Day? This is the
wheel of misfortunate. You want to know what's fortunate? If
I was a fourteen year old kid and my twenty
seven year old teacher was hitting on me, that would
be the wheel of fortune.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Dave, I know, I know there's an argument against that,
but I'm not gonna I can't remember, all right, I'm sorry,
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Let me. I might delete it, but I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You want to go off, You want to go way
off that that's a question. Have you seen these websites
when they post pictures of teachers and female teachers who
have sex with his student. Yes, have you noticed that
most of these women are really good looking?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, I've noticed that. I have noticed that. I got
to say, I don't know if they're just showing the
really attractive ones and they're weeding out the homely looking
librarian ones.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Maybe maybe they just maybe that's maybe that's the case.
But I always I look at it and I think,
but then again it then it comes down to the
fact that beyond a certain point, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah and all serious. I know, we joke about it,
but an all seriousness, a predator, a sexual predator can
be a female or a male. Yeah. Yeah, so we're
just joking about it. We're really not that demented. Come on, Dave,
one of us isn't.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
All right anyway, Here's the irony behind this case is
that I actually have experienced I think I know why
this guy did this. All right, all right, I tell you,
And I don't know for a fact, but here's what
I think, because I had this experience. I years ago,
I'm doing a comedy open mic. The place has been
long closed. It was a dark place, and one of
the comedians at the open mic was in recovery and
(32:33):
he brought I don't know if it was a sponsor, or,
if it was somebody.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Like this alcoholics anonymous recovery like he didn't have an
injured wrisk like you gave all right, alcohol recovery, Okay,
he was in.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
AA or another program similar to that, and he brought
along another person who was in recovery, and the per
sponsor the person well, I don't know if it was
a sponsor, or, if he was sponsoring the guy, or
if it was just a buddy or what the deal was.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It was a long time ago, yeah, but the guy
basically had a relapse. Very sad Is this in a bar?
This is most most people who are in recovery. First
of all, they don't go to bars, but Lloyd bars
they do. Absolutely not how long you've been in and
blah blah blah. I get that.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
But anyway, this guy should not have been well, let's
put it this way. It turned out badly. He got
himself a drink, He got himself drunk and the next
thing you know, I didn't see it, but I heard
from other people that he was peeing.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That was probably the funniest open mic right, So all
the comics probably sucked other than you, so you were
the best, and then the guy pissing the shit and
on the wall, he was the second best comic of
the night. Dave, that is gross. I have to say.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
It's the best thing about this is the way your
face lights up when you talk about people peeing in public. Anyway,
this is what I think happened to this guy. I
think he's probably is a guy who's got a problem.
He's probably best served if they can put him into
a program. And probably at some point he drank and
then they shut offs which went and it was here,
(33:56):
I'm guessing he blacked out and he just peed on
the bar.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
If he doesn't have a criminal record, and based on
the video how malicious he was, was he malicious or
was it accidental? Was it? How intentional was it? They'll
make a determination right in regards to whether he whether
he gets charged with it, whether he does community service
or something like that. But if he has a criminal record,
all bets are off he's going to get charged to
(34:20):
the full extent of what he did. Really legally, Absolutely
he will record.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Absolutely it doesn't Yeah, I mean, I guess that makes
sense and we don't know what else he did. Apparently,
based on what we saw on social media, all he
did was ye, how many people were in the bar?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Did he wave it at a couple of college girls?
Was it one person in the bar? Did he shake
it one's Dave? Or did he shake it eight times?
You're really fascinated by the Well, there's a big difference
between you shaking it once and shaking it eight day?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Well? Yeah, if you're shaking an eight day, you're probably
playing with yourself. Just to let you know that, is that?
I don't know if. I don't know if it's the minimum.
But I don't know the law on this one. I
didn't check that. It's not in the law. It's kind
of your own opinion. Okay, Uh so I ask your question, Dave. Yeah,
the comic who did this? Do I know him? Is
(35:07):
he one of our comic friends? No? He was? His
name isn't Paul?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No? Okay? If not Paul, not Dizzy.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I wasn't gonna give the last names.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Not Paul.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Probably somebody who's a fairly decent guy, because otherwise I
would remember him if he was a jerk.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Oh, if he was a great comic. You always remember
the great comics, well, the great comics and the terrible
right Jim your name again? Oh day?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Anyway, you remember the great comics, and you remember the
guys who were real drugs. Yeah, I don't remember him
as a real druk. So I'm guessing he was probably
a pretty good guy.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And he probably well, if he's listening, hopefully, uh yeah,
you're on the wagon. Still, he probably remembered. Hopefully you're
on the wagon.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Hopefully his friend got some help and hopefully this and
if you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Fall off the wagon, just don't be pissing in bars
and you'll be all right. Brother.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Hopefully this mystery urinator and I don't know if it
would be considered enough of a of a punishment for
anybody have the picture circulated on social.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Oh wow, that's very That's that's bad. That's that right.
There is is worse than anything that can happen assuming
people know who he is. But someone identify them. Someone,
someone always knows something. Ature you can't get away with
this is kind of off the beaten path of this.
You can't get away with anything. Now, you can't even
burn I've had I've always wanted to burn a couple
(36:22):
of my cars so I can get the insurance money.
I wouldn't even think about it. Someone would catch me
on camera somewhere somehow. This is the reason I haven't
murdered anyone. Yeah, because there's a dumble But you can't
even dumb a body nowadays, Dave. No, don't know someone's
gonna kidnap a kid.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
A doorbell camera and actual security.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Dave, we're not gonna have any We're not gonna have
any more subject matter for this Wheel and Misfortune because
people aren't going to commit any more crimes because they're
gonna think they're gonna get caught on a security camera.
So keep on kidnapping those kids, keep on murdering your
loved one, so we can have some subject matter. I
think that's about it for the for the for the day.
What do you think, Dave, that's.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Such a friendly upfeed message to leave on.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
But I think we're done. I think we're done. I'm Dave.
That's dale. This has been the Wheel of Misfortune. Thanks
for tuning in, See you next week.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.