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Every week join former Marine and retired crime analyst and police officer Dale Lawrence and co-host Dave Rattigan, a former newspaper reporter and currently a college professor/comedian for dark humor and current events. Together, they spin the Wheel of Misfortune. Where will it land? On an unusual, ironic, and sometimes tragic story from the wide, wide world of zaniness and depravity.
Have you ever wondered how you might meet your demise when the Wheel of Misfortune lands on you? Will it be a sudden medical issue, an out of the blue accident, something by your own choosing, or worse, murder?
In this week’s podcast we will look at three vastly different 'Faces of Death'. First, we will look at how three young and innocent friends from Massachusetts may have died while on vacation in Belize. Second, did famed actor Gene Hackman die of old age or was it something more sinister. Lastly, who would have wanted a beloved California Fire Captain dead?
To find out, tune in to this week’s episode and listen to how Dale and Dave breakdown the ‘Faces of Death’.
Every week join former Marine and retired crime analyst and police officer Dale Lawrence and co-host Dave Rattigan, a former newspaper reporter and currently a college professor/comedian for dark humor and current events. Together, they spin the Wheel of Misfortune. Where will it land? On an unusual, ironic, and sometimes tragic story from the wide, wide world of zaniness and depravity.
Have you ever wondered how you might meet your demise when the Wheel of Misfortune lands on you? Will it be a sudden medical issue, an out of the blue accident, something by your own choosing, or worse, murder?
In this week’s podcast we will look at three vastly different 'Faces of Death'. First, we will look at how three young and innocent friends from Massachusetts may have died while on vacation in Belize. Second, did famed actor Gene Hackman die of old age or was it something more sinister. Lastly, who would have wanted a beloved California Fire Captain dead?
To find out, tune in to this week’s episode and listen to how Dale and Dave breakdown the ‘Faces of Death’.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
This fortune go sit in around.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Again this week. The wheel of misfortune turns, and in
every case it ends in a tragic death. I want
to talk about something that I did not know about,
the four faces of death, Dale.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The four faces of death, absolutely, Dave. There are four ways,
or four categories in which someone can die. Within those categories,
there are subcategories. But the first category is in the
most common way, Dave, is natural causes, art, disease, cancer,
and so forth. So as I look across the table, Dave,
(01:05):
I'm looking at you, and I'm thinking natural causes for you, Dave.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
He's just gonna drop.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Dead one day, and hopefully they find your body a
lot quicker than they did in the one of the
stories we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Today, all right, Dave, hopefully so.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The second category, and the second most common way to
die is accidental, either car accidents, accidents at work, an
accident at home, you fall off a ladder, Dave. If
you're doing some manual labor, which I know you don't do.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm not gonna do that. Nope.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Suicide, Dave, hanging, drug overdose, gunshot wounds. Should I continue?
That's a little bit morbid for me, all right then
homicide meaning someone kills you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
A criminal act, our favorite category.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Another category, it's really not a category, but what we're
going to talk about today is going to be undetermined,
meaning the cause of day. It's one of those four,
but it's undetermined at the moment, so you could actually
say it's a fifth category.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
They don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And sometimes they may never know in certain cases.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's the way I want to go.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They're never gonna know, Dave, right, so I'll never be
a suspect.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Just when I fake my own death, I want it
to be undetermined. Anyway. I'm Dave Radigan. That's Dale Lawren's
former carpet on Wheel a Misfortune, which is what you're
listening to. Now. We spin the wheel and land on
stories that are horrible and ironic, and with that we
spin the wheel.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There we go, Dave, it looks like it's coming up
as suspicious death in paradise or not paradise, And you'll
see what I mean in a minute.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So this case comes to us from the beautiful Central
American country of Belize. Three US citizens were found dead
at a luxury resort in Belize on Saturday, February twenty second,
twenty twenty five, Belize police have launched an investigation into
the mysterious deaths of three young women, twenty three year
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old qatar Naquad, twenty four year old Amani Mala, and
twenty six year old Waffe l Azar. All three women
were from Revere, Massachusetts, which is just a hop, skip
and a jump from the seaside studio Dave.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
They were reportedly.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Staying at a Royal Kalal Beach resort in San Pedro
and their bodies were discovered by hotel employees in their
suite on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
According to the police.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They did a thorough search of the scene along with
pathologists and crime scene technicians. There was nothing of substance
that was found other than alcohol and some gummies. According
to Police Commissioner Chester Williams were not saying at this
time that the gummies were the cause of death, but
(04:00):
we're looking at every possibility now. A recent update on
that the initial autopsy found a build up of fluid
in all the victim's lungs, which could mean many things,
to include a possible accidental or intentional drug overdose, toxins
in the body such as a poison, or their lungs
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could have been damaged from some form of blunt force trauma.
And there are also many other possibilities which really not
going to get into at the moment, but we are
going to discuss kind of the ramifications of the situation
that we have right now.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
This is incredibly tragic. I mean, think about it. You
go away and you're thinking you're going to have a
good time, send away your kids that I know this,
at least for me, my daughter gets out of my
site for ten minutes, twenty minutes, I'm worried about her, absolutely.
You know, we were in Japan, and Japan's one of
the safest countries in the world, and she would, you know,
wanted to go out walking by herself and I'm like, no,
(05:03):
no way, Dave. Well, eventually I did because I got
sick of her.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
She came back, but she didn't come back like a
stray dog. She came back well later later than she
should have made us legs for the airport. On one case,
I don't know. If it was my kid, I would
be worried. And what could be worse than they go away?
I mean, and parents, you know, they live this all
the time. When the kids are younger, like when they're
in the senior class trip, Yes, something like that, and
they go away and they just, you know, sit there
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with their fingers crossed. Just terrible for the parents, Terrible
for anybody who loves these kids. And I was telling
you this before when I when I was scuba diving,
people talked about Belie as being one of the great
scuba divingtspots.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Absolutely nice, clear water dave, not that many sharks, freight
call all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And and but I guess there's a lot more to beliefs.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, there is, before we get into their possible cause
of death and how they may have died. Let's look
at some there's four point that I looked upon for Belize.
The first thing people may not know is that Belize
is a very important central drug distribution hub for the
Mexican drug cartels. Heroin, fentanyl, cocaine. They're all of abundance
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in Belize, and they're all easily purchased at the street level. Second,
and I used to work for the State Department, so
I'm very well aware of some of the State Department
travel considerations. Belize is currently a number three on the
State Department's Travel Advisory, which means you should reconsider traveling there.
(06:40):
Little note here, Dave, there's only four levels, and level
four state, don't travel there. I'm not sure that whoever
advised these young ladies that Belize was a really safe
country to go to. All you really have to do
is go on the State Department's website and you can
put the country in and they're going to tell you
that travel advisories it is Central America, a very dangerous
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part of the world.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
How many twenty three year old is going to check
the State Department to see where they're going to travel to. No,
I understand that travel agencies they're going to look at
the prices and they're going to go to a place
that's a good price for what they want, which in
this case it seems to be Fun of the Sun.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
One of the Sun beachside resort.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And it is you know, I mean a lot of
places they'll say dominic and I always say, this is
about Dominican Republic. Wonderful place to go, very inexpensive, Stay
in the main roads, stay at the resort, absolutely because
you'll get robbed there. You go, Dave, pretty simple, it is.
I don't know, like I said, it's just how do
you think, what do you think about the event that
they haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I wouldn't give a lot of credit to the Belize
authorities down there. We're going to get into that in
a few minutes. I don't have a lot of belief
that they have the wherewithal to solve certain crimes down there,
nor do they have the motivation, Dave, because if that's
a country that makes a lot of money on tourism,
they don't want.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
To scare the tourists away, right, But would that mean
they would want to solve it more quickly or they
would want to solve it I'm not sure what their
motivation is. I want to cover it up.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I would think covering it up is more logical
based on the corruptness of a government down there.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
All right, all right. It's also it's also a very
very busy law enforcement. Really high murder rate. Absolutely, you
would think that it wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But if you look at the top ten countries in
the world, when you talk about ae hundred thousand people minimum,
the highest crime rate per one hundred thousand for murders
is Jamaica fifty three zero point three people for every
hundred thousand are murdered, and Belize comes in seven twenty
seven point eight people per one hundred thousand are murdered.
(08:48):
Take a guest, Dave, how safe the crazy US of areas?
What do you think their crime rate is or their
murder rate per one hundred thousand is?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh, it's not very high.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, six and a half, six and a half per
hundred six and a half people. I don't know what
half a person is, but six and a half people
per one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Dave, twelve, we'll say thirteen per two hundred thousand. Oh,
there you go. Even better? Is that? Where does that rank?
You know? I mean worldwide of Oh you know you
had to throw that out there. You had to Quisby,
didn't you, Dave?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's not that high.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Although the US has.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Pockets where it's completely out of control, Chicago, Saint Louis,
places like that, generally, the US is a lot safer
per one hundred thousand murders than a lot of these
Central American and these rogue African countries.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know what my theory is about why there are
more murders in urban centers? Why is that? Got fish
with a fish? Are there? You go? Dave?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Though hurd over of the people out the murderers just
love a big a big crop of people that get
from So the bottom line here is, and I know
I just said it, is that the police force and
the government and belize if you read.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A lot of a lot of the literature out there, Yeah,
they're kind of notoriously corrupt, Dave. You can be driving
down the street, Dave, or walking down the street. They
know you're an American, they might find a crime to
arrest you for. But if you give them a hundred bucks, Dave,
they're gonna let you go. That's kind of how.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That works, is that the dollar fingers.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, that was in the Philippines back in the day,
and that's what they did to us. They just stopped
us randomly and said, you know, you guys shouldn't be
walking down the street at midnight. And they goes, you
guys are Americans, US Marines, right, I go, yeah, twenty
bucks might get you off. There you go, it's twenty bucks,
And we kept on going on our way, Dave.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Much better deal than one hundred.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And obviously absolutely well this was thirty years ago, Dave.
So with inflation, with inflation, so these three girls what
do you think.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think we can probably rule out initially natural causes
was not a cause of death, and suicide was not
a cause of.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Death, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I mean not to say that people don't have suicide
packs and they commit suicide. But this doesn't fit the
scenario just yet. It doesn't fit it just yet, leaves
accidental death, homicide or worst case scenario, it becomes an
undetermined category as the cause of death. But I don't
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think that's going to happen because I believe that the
autopsy is also going to be brought back to the
United States when their bodies come back, which I'm sure
they already are, and the American authorities, hopefully they're going
to be on top of their game and they'll be
able to determine if the Belize authorities can't determine that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So let's take a look at accidental cause of death.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
They very easily could have died by way of an accident,
meaning they consumed some type of drug willingly, and they
spoke about the marijuana gummies and they all could have
had an adverse reaction to them. Now you have to
look at their history. Did these girls ever do drugs?
(11:54):
And if they did, how much do they do, what's
their substance abuse history. I can tell you that what
I initially heard from some of their friends and family
members in Revere, Massachusetts was these girls did.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Not do drugs.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So that kind of leads me to believe that in
regards to the gummies. And I had a podcast that
I did a few years ago, Cocktails and Cocktails podcast
with a guy named Styx Larkin, and we talked about
how drug users, heroin users, obviously they'd die from drug
overdoses because that's their lifestyle. But there was a trend
(12:32):
in the last couple of years in which just maybe
random people who just did smoke the joint, had some gummies,
maybe popped a pill. They're not drug abuses, but they
might be recreational users. They were dying from smoking a
joint lace with fentanyl. They were dying from taking gummies
lace with fentanyl. This could be that situation. Those gummies,
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if that is determined, the cause of death could have
been laced with a substance that killed them. They're not
drug addicts. They're just a couple of girls or three
girls who pop the gummy. They're having a good time,
they're hanging out and that gummy for whatever reason, Why
would someone lace something with that type of a drug.
And this is because it's going to kill your business exactly,
(13:19):
It's gonna kill your customers in your business.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But this is what we You and I have talked
about this before about fetanyl. Why would any dealer kill
its customer? Absolutely, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Most dealers, you know, they're not like upstanding citizens, Dave.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It also could be if I'm a.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Dealer and I want to get another dealer out of
my way so I can control all the drug trade,
then I might lace a few drugs and might say, hey,
the other dealer sold them, like competition, right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Doesn't make a lot of sense. But like I said,
we're dealing with criminals, we're dealing with drug dealers. They
don't have the very high moral standards like me and you.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Have, Dave. Right, you know, we would be more surgical
than the people we killed.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Could have been a gas leak in the hotel, but
that doesn't seem too logical because if there's a gas
leak in the hotel, wouldn't there be other victims in
the hotel. As of this point, there are no other
victims other than the three, So that kind of leads
us to possibility, just as it's possible it could have
been an accident, could have been a homicide, Dave. Now,
(14:26):
recently in Laos, there was five or six people who
died in Laos because their alcohol was laced with methanol,
and one American and four other tourists and Laos drank
the alcohol and they died from methanol poisoning.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Poisoned, poisoned. They were poisoned, they were poisoned. It didn't
happen by well, methanol.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is anti freeze, Dave. That's how the Black Widow killer
will kill you, Dave. They will put anti fre which
is a sweet tasting substance. They'll put it in your
gator Age orange juice, Dave, your chocolate milk.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So that's so somebody toll on purpose.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, and that's a very painful, tragic. It's not an
instant death. It's a day or so. It shuts down
your insides and everything builds up and severe stomach cramps
and you go into a coma and then you die.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And where was that that it happened? That wasn't lous?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Why murder is just killed. They just killed people for
the hell of it all, right.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Now, Also, we can go back to and I just
spoke about this.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They could have brought those gummies from the United States
and their luggage, so they brought that with them. They
could also bought those gummies in Belize and someone could
have tainted them, so that would bring it to the
possibility of a murder or a manslaughter of charge. Now,
the question is would they ever find that out? Would
they ever be able to track down the drug dealer
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on the streets. Do they have this really vast array
of video surveillance in Belize. I don't know if they
do or they don't. They know if they do, right,
So it's a situation where they might be able to
determine the cause of death, but they might not be
able to determine whether it was an accident or it
was a homicide.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So it could be in limbo. Let me just go
back to fentanyl for just a real quick thing. Do
people survive fentanyl? Usually not.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You can survive it if you get immediate medical attention.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, So if I got less a dosed with a
small dose of fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's all you need is a small dose. You're talking
a pin prick the size of a pin, and that
I'm gone. Yeah, you're pretty much gone.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So if it was a murder, unless it was very
very very targeted, which course makes even less sense if
somebody's on vacation.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It could have just been they randomly bought some drugs
in the street that were tainted.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But if they randomly bought some drugs in the street
that pertained it wouldn't other people buy this, you.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Would think, because a lot of times when there's a
bad batch of drugs, bad batch of heroin this hills,
if you have more than three, you might have three
victims over here, then another part of the city you
have two more victims. Absolutely, Dave. It may be undetermined
as the motivation of what was the motive in the deaths,
but you're going to be able to determine the cause,
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what chemical was in their system.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Why this is a horrible it's a horrible situation.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And I think you know, the lesson to be learned
here is that some of these countries that are advertised
as nice places to go and they have sunny beaches
and tropical sunsets and all sorts of other stuff, like that, Dave.
They can be nice if you're in the right area. Now,
if you're three young girls, you might be kind of
an easy prey for some of the predators out there,
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the drug dealers, the criminals, the gangs who might want
to harm you. And this is a possibility that they
fell prey to those type of people.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Fours Van Here in Massachusetts, marijuana's legal. Absolutely, you pro
buy it from a dispenser. Gummy's illegal. Gummy's illegal, and
you probably there's some quality control.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Are the quality control in regards, So you're not going
to get gummies at a at a Massachusetts dispensary that's
laced with fentonyl or marijuana, but you could on the street,
street level, you could.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Get that right, So that basically, I guess the advice
would be if you're going to go to a.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Country that's not third world country, Dave, All right, lawless country,
we'll say that.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But if you are going to go there, you are
going to stay at the resort, you should probably check
TSA and see what they're what their rules are about
taking gummies on.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, because who's that basketball player that was doing some
time in Russia.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Brittany Griner Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, she had a little weed on her and she's
going to do twenty years to life.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That was I think that. I think the lesson there
is don't go to Russia. Well, yeah, don't go to Russia.
Don't go to Russia when things are bad between our countries.
Don't go to Russia. Don't go to any country that
we are at war with. Yeah. Of course, the flip
side of that, this ship's probably been paid pretty well.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
They probably don't want to go go to Ukraine now either,
because what happened the other day between Trump and what's
his name Zelenski. Yeah, so cancel that comedy trip to Ukraine, Dave.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I try to limit my comedy to democratic, democratic countries.
There you go, anyway. Are we done with this one?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, we're done with this one day we get another
wheel to spin.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
This is your case to Dave. Oh beautiful, all right.
In that case, I think we should definitely spin the wheel.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And we're gonna call this one something spoil when they're
past the do date. What the hell does that mean, Dave?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
One of actor Gene Hackman's characters once said, I don't
like assassins or men of low character. It's not clear
that either was involved in the death of the ninety
five year old actor and his wife, but it was
a carbon monoxide The couple and a dog were found
dead for several days inside their Santa Fe home on Wednesday,
February twenty sixth. Estimates out that they've been dead for
(19:58):
nine to ten days. Police called it suspicious enough to
warrant an investigation. Tired to avoid. If you've ever gone
to the movies in the United States in the last
forty years, it's been tough to avoid him. He lived
a celebrated life as a great actor, but what a
what a humble way to go. Absolutely joined the Marine
Corps at sixteen years old. He went on to make
dozens of movies, including a lot of classic and noteworthy
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films such as Bonnie and Clyde, The French Connection, Superman,
The Royal, Tenebobs, A Bird Cage, Mississippi Burning, Unforgiven, and
several more. He won two Oscars for The French Connection
and Unforgiven, and many many of those awards, and he
made millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
He said Marine Corps, right, David, I was in the
Marine Corps. You were in the Marine cos I think
I outranked him, I.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Would think so. Well, you know, he might have because
he in my research for this, it said that he
had been been a corporal for a very very very short.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Time and then when he got busted and ranked.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
He got busted in Iraq. And I don't know if
it was he was a brawler fighting in the Marie.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
They like fighters, but not when you fight like everybody, Dave.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, and I think he had that issue. But I
think he also might have had an issue with authority.
So I'm not sure which one it was, but.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I know he was probably a combination of both, Dave.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Probably both were true, which was the cause. I'm not
sure he had. He had quite a life for any
Like I said, he if he played a lot of
violent characters in the movie issue now. Anyway, he lived
an interesting life.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Can I give a quick little story, Dave about Geene Hackman, Absolutely,
all right, Now, a friend of mine who just passed
away within the last couple of months, was a PGA
golf caddy on the Woman's Tour. Yeah, whenever he went
out to the California area of the West Coast. At
some point in his career as a caddy, he met
up with mister Hackman, and he became Gene Hackman's personal caddy.
(21:51):
A couple of times a year when the tour was
out in California, Hackman would call him up and say, Hey, Dennis,
what are you doing today. Let's go take a ride.
We're gonna golf at a certain golf course in Malibu
or wherever he had access to. And he said, greatest
guy in the world. You never knew he'd be such
an important figure. He's just like talking to your dad,
(22:13):
talking to your brother, talking to the guy in the street.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, well, this is a blue collar man's man. This
was kind of like you, Dave. Yeah, that's that's what
the people say about I'm a man's man. Based on
what I've read about Hackman, this is probably true. Lived
lived in New Mexico because he liked living in New
Mexico versus Los Angeles. He liked the fact that he
was away from the limelight. He lived in a caated community,
(22:37):
But I think it was a fairly fairly big and.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It was a large There was a lot of distance
between some of the houses. Yeah, not the gated community
you live in right now, Dave. Yeah, not like I
think it's like a housing authority. Where do you live
in a housing authority, Dave, I'm not telling you government
subsidized housing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm not telling you anyway. Based on a report from
his pacemaker, here's here's what happened when when he passed away.
The official said it didn't appear to be foul play,
but it was suspicious enough to look into it. They
found that he had been dead. This is based on
his activity and his pacemaker. They said that his final
(23:13):
recorded heart event was February seventeen. No outward signs of violence.
Two bodies laying on the floor. Hackman in one room,
in the mudroom, and his wife in the in a bathroom.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Now then a dog, Dave, you can't forget the dog,
and the poor old dog must have starved to death.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think we can determine that cause. Could have could
have starved to death. They said it to one on
one report. There were a lot of different A lot
of people like to speculate right, right, and and so
there was some some think something that it was starving
to death. Some think that it was asphyxiation because it
was in a closet, yes, or kennel. They different things,
in a cage, in a closet, and.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Maybe he died of sadness knowing that his uh two
owners had passed away.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Could have been, could have been, But the two of
the good thing is and this is one of the
happy ironies of it, I guess, or I don't know.
I don't know if it's a happy irony or I
don't know if it's a sad irony that the dog
died with them or happy irony that two other dogs
in the house survived. So the Happers were big dog lovers. Yes,
same as dog lovers. So I guess that's the good thing,
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right now? What's that thing? But they were find in
separate rooms, and the affidavit stated that his wife, whose
name was Bessie Rakawa, who was a coassically trained pianist,
she was found with it. They said there was a
space she was on the floor and there was a
space heater near her head. They didn't say it had
been knocked off or anything like that. They just said
the space heater. There's a lot of space heaters go
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on the ground. Absolutely none of this seems that suspicious,
but I get it as the cops are going to
look at these things. They also said that they were
A prescription bottle was found near the body open. There
were pills scattered around, but they were all prescription drugs,
thyroid medication, blood pressure medication.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm thinking this is a tough one. Right now, it's undetermined.
They don't believe it's a homicide. But the suspicious nature
is that Hackman could have very easily just dropped dead.
He's ninety five years old.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Now he's ninety five. His wife was sixty four, but yeah,
he could have died and then she.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Saw that, and she could have took some pills and
ode to something to that effect. I've heard of cases
where someone finds their loved one dead, usually older people,
and the shock of their death will induce a heart
attack in the other person and they both will be
found dead at the same scene. So now you have
two unattended death to include a dog. So it's very
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suspicious in that no one witnessed the death. So until
they make a determination through toxicology tests, blood tests and
things of that nature, then right now it's undetermined, and
I think we hope that it wasn't some sort of
elaborate homicide, but we believe it's just some sort of
an accidental situation or natural cause of the situation.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That's what you that's certainly with your hope, that's what
you hope.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You would hate to think that there was some sort
of a double homicide or double murder suicide type situation,
but with no trauma to the body, then it would
be drug induce some form of a.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Drug unless it was a heart attack. Oh yeah, heart attack.
If if as you say, he passed away ninety he's
ninety five, he died a whole day. Yeah, she found it,
she had a heart attack. She might be maybe went
to the to the medicine cabinet, think that there was
something that that could save her, and that's where she
passed away.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You know you mentioned you mentioned the dog lovers. Yeah,
wouldn't she have let the dog out of the crate?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's that's a weird scenario right there. If I'm a
dog lover and I'm so distraught that my husband has
just passed away and I'm going to commit suicide or
something like that, wouldn't I just let the dog out
and run and play with the other two dogs that
were in the yard.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Not if you had a heart attack and you were panicking.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, we're trying to speculate and put some sort
of a face on it and try to rationalize it.
And like I said, until the toxicology comes back. All
these little podcasters like us Dave were just trying to
throw like little dots in certain areas and see if
they hit.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So let me ask you this for me, the irony
here is twofold. Well, it's really one one with just
the fact that a guy had such a life. He
had a tough early life. His father kind of a
band of the family, his mother became an alcoholic. He
left to you know, to join the Marines at sixteen,
so he was clearly looking to get away from the house.
And I think he once said that dysfunctional families who
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were good training ground for actors. Tried to tried as
an actor, struggled for a long time as an actor,
finally hit it big in his mid thirties and then
had this incredible career for forty years. Wasn't a big
tabloid guy, you know, showed up for the awards ceremonies,
but beyond that he kind of kept things low key.
So he had a fairly fantastic light for a long time.
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These films, some of them are for different reasons, are
celebrated films, and it just so was the irony for
you that it was just this end that was just so.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Such a tragic and in such a you're questioning how
it happened. But what I also questioned a little bit
is that he was possibly dead for ten days and
no one within the family kind of looked out for him.
Did they check up on him? I know that maybe
the people in the area, do they check up on
each other? Or is Gene Hackman and his wife known
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to be private people and they don't like people knocking
on their doors and we see him a couple of
times a year. So was that normal for no one
to check up.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
On them for ten days?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Because in law enforcement, I've seen people who have been
dead for eight, nine, ten, eleven days, and to me,
it was very It was sad because no one in
their family checked on their mother who was dead, and
they decided to call her ten days later. Hey, I
haven't heard from my mother in ten days?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Is that normal?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I never talked to my mother. You know, she's ninety
five years old. I never talked to her. To me,
is law enforcement? That's it's kind of very non or unsympathetic.
I would think if I'm a daughter or a family
member or a neighbor, I would check on my ninety
five year old neighbor unless I was told leave me alone,
don't talk to me. And this is the way I
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like to live.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
A recluse, right, right, So right, I don't think he
I don't think he was necessarily a recluse because of Again,
again he came out from Yeah, he sat on the
board of of arts organization in Santa Fe. So I
don't think he was a total recluse. I think he
was a fairly private guy. But again, he's a ninety
five year old man with a sixty five year old wife.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, and maybe those pills were viagra, Dave, and he
took some viagra and he just dropped dead, and then
that's the cause of death. They didn't meant there could
have been some viagra in that day. I know you've
taken many viagra.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You can't five or six? You can't know d on him,
can you? No? I've tried, and nor is there any
benefit at a certain point there you go anyway, I'm
not the expert on that some people are, but anyway,
tough end for Gene Hackman and his wife. All right,
let's move it. Let's move it on, let's send the wheel.
Yeah we go.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
One last time, Dave, here we go. It's spurning around
and it looks like another really positive one today, Dave.
The last one you hold blooded murder, Dave.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Let me say that again, cold blooded murder.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So hide your kids if you don't want to hear
what we have to say about this one.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
This is a tough one. This was a tough one,
but you got.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
New details have emerged in the murder of a beloved
California fire captain who authorities say was killed by her wife,
who also remains at large. Rebecca Becky Morody, age forty nine,
was stabbed multiple times in her San Diego County home
February seventeenth. Days after her death, authorities named her wife
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as the suspected killer, Yolanda Morodi. The suspected killer, also
known as Yolanda Olin Jasik. I don't even know how
to pronounce that, Dave. We'll just call her Yolanda. Oh okay,
remains on the run. It may have fled to Mexico,
and I'm pretty sure that the crack troops in Mexico
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will get her. I kind of doubt that Yolanda Oh
had previously served several years in prison for fatally stabbing
her first husband by the name of James, more than
two decades ago, in which she served a prison sentence
from two thousand and four to twenty and thirteen. So
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I guess the parole board must have determined that, hey,
she's pretty much cured of all her evilness, and they
let her out. I guess that was a bad gamble,
because she went on ten years later or twelve years
later to kill again in the same manner, dabbing someone
to death.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Dave, this is fascinating. Kiss a couple of things. How
do you date somebody? You say to them, Oh, so
what did you do between two thousand and four and
twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
We're gonna we're gonna get to that, Dave, because that's
a really big point here.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
We're gonna get to that. All personal affairs should include
personal resume or a personal resume.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah where we're Yeah, you have a job resume, Dave,
you need to have a marriage resume.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Oh that would that would eliminate so many issues. So
I'm gonna get into the gory details.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And this is based on a police report, and it's
also based on video and audio evidence. So shortly after
eight pm on the evening in question, Morodi appeared to
be chasing her wife on the patio when a female
voice cried out, believed to be Rebecca, who's the victim
in this case? Please don't do it. I do not
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want to die. And then Rebecca appears in the patio
with blood on her back. The report continues, You'll responded,
you should have thought about that before. Yolanda could be
seen at one point standing in front of Rebecca with
a knife in her hand. Blood was seen on Yolanda's arms.
The couple went inside, and about ten minutes later, Yolanda
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is seen gathering the pet, random items and some luggage
and loaded it into a silver Chevrolet Equinox SUV. And
has stated previously they believe she fled to Mexico after
Homeland Security reported her vehicle crossing the border. She's possibly
(33:39):
in Mexico, So don't go to Mexico, Dave, because she
loves to stab people based on her past history.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's this is so tragic, I mean, it really does.
It points out that we should all just do a
background investigation, Dave's kind of investigation on anyone we love,
anyone we love. You know, did you do background information
on your.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Absent, Dave wife when you were dating oh my wife?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah? Absolutely I did.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Are you kidding me that I took her fingerprints, some
DNA and everything, Dave, No, I didn't. But in law enforcement, now,
if the victim had been a cop, she would have
very easily have been able to run the criminal history
of the lady that eventually killed her and found out
that there was an alias. Yeah, and found out that
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she had done time for manslaughter. Yeah, ten or fifteen,
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You think she knew.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't think she knew. I mean, do some people
marry murderers who get out of prison?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Absolutely, they do. Think about this, I don't think she knew, Dave. Well, listen,
she's a woman, and she married another woman, and so
while they're dating, the woman says, I made a horrible mistake.
I married this guy. He was abusive, and then one
day he was he had beaten me and I burned
the bed or whatever she did. Yeah, people are gullible, Dave.
(34:59):
They'll believe a story like that. I mean, I know
how gullible people. I've been there. I've been there, I've
done that. Oh, there you go. But you haven't killed anyone, Dave, No,
I haven't killed anyone. And so far from nobody that
I've been involved with has killed anyone that I know of.
So to include yourself, could they could be hiding it
really well? You know, And up.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Until probably five years four or five years ago, cops
could run just randomly run someone's criminal history. And someone
went up to me and said, hey, could you my
daughter's dating some guy. Could you, you know, on the cuff,
could you run their history?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I might do it. I might not, but I might.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But nowadays, after the George Floyd incident, in most states,
every time a police officer runs a license plate, a
driver's license a criminal history attached to that, they have
to write a small little report of why they're requesting
this information. So information that was free and available to
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even law enforcement people nowadays has been very limited. So
in reality, Dave, my daughter could say to me, hey, Dad,
could you run this new boyfriend I met? And I said, unfortunately,
your father can't do that anymore. And then three months
later I find out that my daughter is dating an
escape rapist from New Mexico, Dave all, thanks to George Floyd.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Lloyd, you know it's it's real. And now, what about
hiring a private detached?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Absolutely, a good private detective would be able to figure
that out. But the question is, if you're going to
marry someone, Dave to most people who are going to
marry someone, do they hire a private detective? I think
wealthy people tell, well, yeah, because they have a lot
to lose, to include their money.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right, Well, they've got the money too, you know, to
spend whatever it cost to hire private attacked.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I should invite my private detective buddy over and we
should ask him that question.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How many people that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Were getting married had they approached you and said, hey,
could you run my wife or my husband? I get
a weird feeling that you might have murdered someone about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think they probably do it early on, like and
I would guess, I would guess. You know that's you
see it in movies. You're seeing the movies. But it
makes a lot of sense if you're wealthy.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Let's say this, you so all the poor people get
murdered and all the wealthy people live, right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Listen to the podcast billows Up. You're making millions. You're
making millions of dollars. All of a sudden, somebody starts
dating your daughter, yep, and you're thinking to yourself, something
about him makes your Spidey sense tinkle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, probably his swastika, his swastika tattoo on his forehead.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Dave, Charlie Manson, Yeah, or or Kanye West.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
But I mean you'd pay Yeah, I would, and you're
paid pretty Because I'm not a cop anymore, and I
don't have access to that information.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, which is a shame. It's it's really a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Something about some of these lesbians out there, they're kind
of violent. Let's end it on this. I'm going to
end it on this.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Quick little story.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
When I was a cop, we got some information that
these two ladies who were in the city that I
live in. Actually they were in the neighborhood that I
grew up in, in a couple of houses next door
where I grew up. And we got information from people
in that neighborhood that these two ladies girlfriends, had kidnapped
the guy, older guy. They were in their thirties, kidnapped
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an older guy, murdered him, brought him out to the
desert in Arizona, lit him on fire, dole his truck,
and came back to Massachusetts with the truck, where we
went there looking for him.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
They had fled.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
They were subsequently located at a Demula's supermarket up in
the Amesbury newbury Port area, which is kind of New Hampshire,
Massachusetts border. They run their way out of town going
to get to Canada.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Dave. Yeah, that's the thing that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Two very violent female lovers, Dave. So, I don't know
if there's a connection between female lovers and violence. Well,
I'm going to stop at that, Dave, I think because
you're a respected member of the community and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, it's a good point in this case though. It's
really an individual who went to jail for manslaughter, had
killed a person in the past, and I was doing
it again.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, that's that's the thing right here. That's the wheel
of misfortune. How unfortunate could someone have been? She married someone,
she's in love and she thinks, wow, this is a
great life, and her wife or ex wife is a murderer,
and then she's a double murderer because she just got
killed herself.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, that's so happy. Let's wrap it up on that, David,
all right, this has been a wheel of misfortune. I'm
Dave Radigan, that's Dale Lawrence and we'll see you next time.
This fortune go sit in around.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Again this week. The wheel of misfortune turns, and in
every case it ends in a tragic death. I want
to talk about something that I did not know about,
the four faces of death, Dale.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The four faces of death, absolutely, Dave. There are four ways,
or four categories in which someone can die. Within those categories,
there are subcategories. But the first category is in the
most common way, Dave, is natural causes, art, disease, cancer,
and so forth. So as I look across the table, Dave,
(01:05):
I'm looking at you, and I'm thinking natural causes for you, Dave.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
He's just gonna drop.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Dead one day, and hopefully they find your body a
lot quicker than they did in the one of the
stories we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Today, all right, Dave, hopefully so.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The second category, and the second most common way to
die is accidental, either car accidents, accidents at work, an
accident at home, you fall off a ladder, Dave. If
you're doing some manual labor, which I know you don't do.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm not gonna do that. Nope.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Suicide, Dave, hanging, drug overdose, gunshot wounds. Should I continue?
That's a little bit morbid for me, all right then
homicide meaning someone kills you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
A criminal act, our favorite category.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Another category, it's really not a category, but what we're
going to talk about today is going to be undetermined,
meaning the cause of day. It's one of those four,
but it's undetermined at the moment, so you could actually
say it's a fifth category.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
They don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And sometimes they may never know in certain cases.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's the way I want to go.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They're never gonna know, Dave, right, so I'll never be
a suspect.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Just when I fake my own death, I want it
to be undetermined. Anyway. I'm Dave Radigan. That's Dale Lawren's
former carpet on Wheel a Misfortune, which is what you're
listening to. Now. We spin the wheel and land on
stories that are horrible and ironic, and with that we
spin the wheel.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There we go, Dave, it looks like it's coming up
as suspicious death in paradise or not paradise, And you'll
see what I mean in a minute.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So this case comes to us from the beautiful Central
American country of Belize. Three US citizens were found dead
at a luxury resort in Belize on Saturday, February twenty second,
twenty twenty five, Belize police have launched an investigation into
the mysterious deaths of three young women, twenty three year
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old qatar Naquad, twenty four year old Amani Mala, and
twenty six year old Waffe l Azar. All three women
were from Revere, Massachusetts, which is just a hop, skip
and a jump from the seaside studio Dave.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
They were reportedly.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Staying at a Royal Kalal Beach resort in San Pedro
and their bodies were discovered by hotel employees in their
suite on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
According to the police.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They did a thorough search of the scene along with
pathologists and crime scene technicians. There was nothing of substance
that was found other than alcohol and some gummies. According
to Police Commissioner Chester Williams were not saying at this
time that the gummies were the cause of death, but
(04:00):
we're looking at every possibility now. A recent update on
that the initial autopsy found a build up of fluid
in all the victim's lungs, which could mean many things,
to include a possible accidental or intentional drug overdose, toxins
in the body such as a poison, or their lungs
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could have been damaged from some form of blunt force trauma.
And there are also many other possibilities which really not
going to get into at the moment, but we are
going to discuss kind of the ramifications of the situation
that we have right now.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
This is incredibly tragic. I mean, think about it. You
go away and you're thinking you're going to have a
good time, send away your kids that I know this,
at least for me, my daughter gets out of my
site for ten minutes, twenty minutes, I'm worried about her, absolutely.
You know, we were in Japan, and Japan's one of
the safest countries in the world, and she would, you know,
wanted to go out walking by herself and I'm like, no,
(05:03):
no way, Dave. Well, eventually I did because I got
sick of her.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
She came back, but she didn't come back like a
stray dog. She came back well later later than she
should have made us legs for the airport. On one case,
I don't know. If it was my kid, I would
be worried. And what could be worse than they go away?
I mean, and parents, you know, they live this all
the time. When the kids are younger, like when they're
in the senior class trip, Yes, something like that, and
they go away and they just, you know, sit there
(05:30):
with their fingers crossed. Just terrible for the parents, Terrible
for anybody who loves these kids. And I was telling
you this before when I when I was scuba diving,
people talked about Belie as being one of the great
scuba divingtspots.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Absolutely nice, clear water dave, not that many sharks, freight
call all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And and but I guess there's a lot more to beliefs.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, there is, before we get into their possible cause
of death and how they may have died. Let's look
at some there's four point that I looked upon for Belize.
The first thing people may not know is that Belize
is a very important central drug distribution hub for the
Mexican drug cartels. Heroin, fentanyl, cocaine. They're all of abundance
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in Belize, and they're all easily purchased at the street level. Second,
and I used to work for the State Department, so
I'm very well aware of some of the State Department
travel considerations. Belize is currently a number three on the
State Department's Travel Advisory, which means you should reconsider traveling there.
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Little note here, Dave, there's only four levels, and level
four state, don't travel there. I'm not sure that whoever
advised these young ladies that Belize was a really safe
country to go to. All you really have to do
is go on the State Department's website and you can
put the country in and they're going to tell you
that travel advisories it is Central America, a very dangerous
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part of the world.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
How many twenty three year old is going to check
the State Department to see where they're going to travel to. No,
I understand that travel agencies they're going to look at
the prices and they're going to go to a place
that's a good price for what they want, which in
this case it seems to be Fun of the Sun.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
One of the Sun beachside resort.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And it is you know, I mean a lot of
places they'll say dominic and I always say, this is
about Dominican Republic. Wonderful place to go, very inexpensive, Stay
in the main roads, stay at the resort, absolutely because
you'll get robbed there. You go, Dave, pretty simple, it is.
I don't know, like I said, it's just how do
you think, what do you think about the event that
they haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I wouldn't give a lot of credit to the Belize
authorities down there. We're going to get into that in
a few minutes. I don't have a lot of belief
that they have the wherewithal to solve certain crimes down there,
nor do they have the motivation, Dave, because if that's
a country that makes a lot of money on tourism,
they don't want.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
To scare the tourists away, right, But would that mean
they would want to solve it more quickly or they
would want to solve it I'm not sure what their
motivation is. I want to cover it up.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I would think covering it up is more logical
based on the corruptness of a government down there.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
All right, all right. It's also it's also a very
very busy law enforcement. Really high murder rate. Absolutely, you
would think that it wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But if you look at the top ten countries in
the world, when you talk about ae hundred thousand people minimum,
the highest crime rate per one hundred thousand for murders
is Jamaica fifty three zero point three people for every
hundred thousand are murdered, and Belize comes in seven twenty
seven point eight people per one hundred thousand are murdered.
(08:48):
Take a guest, Dave, how safe the crazy US of areas?
What do you think their crime rate is or their
murder rate per one hundred thousand is?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh, it's not very high.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, six and a half, six and a half per
hundred six and a half people. I don't know what
half a person is, but six and a half people
per one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Dave, twelve, we'll say thirteen per two hundred thousand. Oh,
there you go. Even better? Is that? Where does that rank?
You know? I mean worldwide of Oh you know you
had to throw that out there. You had to Quisby,
didn't you, Dave?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's not that high.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Although the US has.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Pockets where it's completely out of control, Chicago, Saint Louis,
places like that, generally, the US is a lot safer
per one hundred thousand murders than a lot of these
Central American and these rogue African countries.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know what my theory is about why there are
more murders in urban centers? Why is that? Got fish
with a fish? Are there? You go? Dave?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Though hurd over of the people out the murderers just
love a big a big crop of people that get
from So the bottom line here is, and I know
I just said it, is that the police force and
the government and belize if you read.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A lot of a lot of the literature out there, Yeah,
they're kind of notoriously corrupt, Dave. You can be driving
down the street, Dave, or walking down the street. They
know you're an American, they might find a crime to
arrest you for. But if you give them a hundred bucks, Dave,
they're gonna let you go. That's kind of how.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That works, is that the dollar fingers.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, that was in the Philippines back in the day,
and that's what they did to us. They just stopped
us randomly and said, you know, you guys shouldn't be
walking down the street at midnight. And they goes, you
guys are Americans, US Marines, right, I go, yeah, twenty
bucks might get you off. There you go, it's twenty bucks,
And we kept on going on our way, Dave.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Much better deal than one hundred.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And obviously absolutely well this was thirty years ago, Dave.
So with inflation, with inflation, so these three girls what
do you think.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think we can probably rule out initially natural causes
was not a cause of death, and suicide was not
a cause of.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Death, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I mean not to say that people don't have suicide
packs and they commit suicide. But this doesn't fit the
scenario just yet. It doesn't fit it just yet, leaves
accidental death, homicide or worst case scenario, it becomes an
undetermined category as the cause of death. But I don't
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think that's going to happen because I believe that the
autopsy is also going to be brought back to the
United States when their bodies come back, which I'm sure
they already are, and the American authorities, hopefully they're going
to be on top of their game and they'll be
able to determine if the Belize authorities can't determine that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So let's take a look at accidental cause of death.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
They very easily could have died by way of an accident,
meaning they consumed some type of drug willingly, and they
spoke about the marijuana gummies and they all could have
had an adverse reaction to them. Now you have to
look at their history. Did these girls ever do drugs?
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And if they did, how much do they do, what's
their substance abuse history. I can tell you that what
I initially heard from some of their friends and family
members in Revere, Massachusetts was these girls did.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Not do drugs.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So that kind of leads me to believe that in
regards to the gummies. And I had a podcast that
I did a few years ago, Cocktails and Cocktails podcast
with a guy named Styx Larkin, and we talked about
how drug users, heroin users, obviously they'd die from drug
overdoses because that's their lifestyle. But there was a trend
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in the last couple of years in which just maybe
random people who just did smoke the joint, had some gummies,
maybe popped a pill. They're not drug abuses, but they
might be recreational users. They were dying from smoking a
joint lace with fentanyl. They were dying from taking gummies
lace with fentanyl. This could be that situation. Those gummies,
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if that is determined, the cause of death could have
been laced with a substance that killed them. They're not
drug addicts. They're just a couple of girls or three
girls who pop the gummy. They're having a good time,
they're hanging out and that gummy for whatever reason, Why
would someone lace something with that type of a drug.
And this is because it's going to kill your business exactly,
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It's gonna kill your customers in your business.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But this is what we You and I have talked
about this before about fetanyl. Why would any dealer kill
its customer? Absolutely, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Most dealers, you know, they're not like upstanding citizens, Dave.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It also could be if I'm a.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Dealer and I want to get another dealer out of
my way so I can control all the drug trade,
then I might lace a few drugs and might say, hey,
the other dealer sold them, like competition, right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Doesn't make a lot of sense. But like I said,
we're dealing with criminals, we're dealing with drug dealers. They
don't have the very high moral standards like me and you.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Have, Dave. Right, you know, we would be more surgical
than the people we killed.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Could have been a gas leak in the hotel, but
that doesn't seem too logical because if there's a gas
leak in the hotel, wouldn't there be other victims in
the hotel. As of this point, there are no other
victims other than the three, So that kind of leads
us to possibility, just as it's possible it could have
been an accident, could have been a homicide, Dave. Now,
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recently in Laos, there was five or six people who
died in Laos because their alcohol was laced with methanol,
and one American and four other tourists and Laos drank
the alcohol and they died from methanol poisoning.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Poisoned, poisoned. They were poisoned, they were poisoned. It didn't
happen by well, methanol.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is anti freeze, Dave. That's how the Black Widow killer
will kill you, Dave. They will put anti fre which
is a sweet tasting substance. They'll put it in your
gator Age orange juice, Dave, your chocolate milk.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So that's so somebody toll on purpose.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, and that's a very painful, tragic. It's not an
instant death. It's a day or so. It shuts down
your insides and everything builds up and severe stomach cramps
and you go into a coma and then you die.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And where was that that it happened? That wasn't lous?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Why murder is just killed. They just killed people for
the hell of it all, right.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Now, Also, we can go back to and I just
spoke about this.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They could have brought those gummies from the United States
and their luggage, so they brought that with them. They
could also bought those gummies in Belize and someone could
have tainted them, so that would bring it to the
possibility of a murder or a manslaughter of charge. Now,
the question is would they ever find that out? Would
they ever be able to track down the drug dealer
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on the streets. Do they have this really vast array
of video surveillance in Belize. I don't know if they
do or they don't. They know if they do, right,
So it's a situation where they might be able to
determine the cause of death, but they might not be
able to determine whether it was an accident or it
was a homicide.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So it could be in limbo. Let me just go
back to fentanyl for just a real quick thing. Do
people survive fentanyl? Usually not.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You can survive it if you get immediate medical attention.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, So if I got less a dosed with a
small dose of fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's all you need is a small dose. You're talking
a pin prick the size of a pin, and that
I'm gone. Yeah, you're pretty much gone.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So if it was a murder, unless it was very
very very targeted, which course makes even less sense if
somebody's on vacation.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It could have just been they randomly bought some drugs
in the street that were tainted.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But if they randomly bought some drugs in the street
that pertained it wouldn't other people buy this, you.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Would think, because a lot of times when there's a
bad batch of drugs, bad batch of heroin this hills,
if you have more than three, you might have three
victims over here, then another part of the city you
have two more victims. Absolutely, Dave. It may be undetermined
as the motivation of what was the motive in the deaths,
but you're going to be able to determine the cause,
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what chemical was in their system.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Why this is a horrible it's a horrible situation.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And I think you know, the lesson to be learned
here is that some of these countries that are advertised
as nice places to go and they have sunny beaches
and tropical sunsets and all sorts of other stuff, like that, Dave.
They can be nice if you're in the right area. Now,
if you're three young girls, you might be kind of
an easy prey for some of the predators out there,
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the drug dealers, the criminals, the gangs who might want
to harm you. And this is a possibility that they
fell prey to those type of people.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Fours Van Here in Massachusetts, marijuana's legal. Absolutely, you pro
buy it from a dispenser. Gummy's illegal. Gummy's illegal, and
you probably there's some quality control.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Are the quality control in regards, So you're not going
to get gummies at a at a Massachusetts dispensary that's
laced with fentonyl or marijuana, but you could on the street,
street level, you could.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Get that right, So that basically, I guess the advice
would be if you're going to go to a.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Country that's not third world country, Dave, All right, lawless country,
we'll say that.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But if you are going to go there, you are
going to stay at the resort, you should probably check
TSA and see what they're what their rules are about
taking gummies on.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, because who's that basketball player that was doing some
time in Russia.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Brittany Griner Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, she had a little weed on her and she's
going to do twenty years to life.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That was I think that. I think the lesson there
is don't go to Russia. Well, yeah, don't go to Russia.
Don't go to Russia when things are bad between our countries.
Don't go to Russia. Don't go to any country that
we are at war with. Yeah. Of course, the flip
side of that, this ship's probably been paid pretty well.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
They probably don't want to go go to Ukraine now either,
because what happened the other day between Trump and what's
his name Zelenski. Yeah, so cancel that comedy trip to Ukraine, Dave.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I try to limit my comedy to democratic, democratic countries.
There you go, anyway. Are we done with this one?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, we're done with this one day we get another
wheel to spin.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
This is your case to Dave. Oh beautiful, all right.
In that case, I think we should definitely spin the wheel.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And we're gonna call this one something spoil when they're
past the do date. What the hell does that mean, Dave?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
One of actor Gene Hackman's characters once said, I don't
like assassins or men of low character. It's not clear
that either was involved in the death of the ninety
five year old actor and his wife, but it was
a carbon monoxide The couple and a dog were found
dead for several days inside their Santa Fe home on Wednesday,
February twenty sixth. Estimates out that they've been dead for
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nine to ten days. Police called it suspicious enough to
warrant an investigation. Tired to avoid. If you've ever gone
to the movies in the United States in the last
forty years, it's been tough to avoid him. He lived
a celebrated life as a great actor, but what a
what a humble way to go. Absolutely joined the Marine
Corps at sixteen years old. He went on to make
dozens of movies, including a lot of classic and noteworthy
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films such as Bonnie and Clyde, The French Connection, Superman,
The Royal, Tenebobs, A Bird Cage, Mississippi Burning, Unforgiven, and
several more. He won two Oscars for The French Connection
and Unforgiven, and many many of those awards, and he
made millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
He said Marine Corps, right, David, I was in the
Marine Corps. You were in the Marine cos I think
I outranked him, I.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Would think so. Well, you know, he might have because
he in my research for this, it said that he
had been been a corporal for a very very very short.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Time and then when he got busted and ranked.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
He got busted in Iraq. And I don't know if
it was he was a brawler fighting in the Marie.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
They like fighters, but not when you fight like everybody, Dave.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, and I think he had that issue. But I
think he also might have had an issue with authority.
So I'm not sure which one it was, but.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I know he was probably a combination of both, Dave.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Probably both were true, which was the cause. I'm not
sure he had. He had quite a life for any
Like I said, he if he played a lot of
violent characters in the movie issue now. Anyway, he lived
an interesting life.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Can I give a quick little story, Dave about Geene Hackman, Absolutely,
all right, Now, a friend of mine who just passed
away within the last couple of months, was a PGA
golf caddy on the Woman's Tour. Yeah, whenever he went
out to the California area of the West Coast. At
some point in his career as a caddy, he met
up with mister Hackman, and he became Gene Hackman's personal caddy.
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A couple of times a year when the tour was
out in California, Hackman would call him up and say, Hey, Dennis,
what are you doing today. Let's go take a ride.
We're gonna golf at a certain golf course in Malibu
or wherever he had access to. And he said, greatest
guy in the world. You never knew he'd be such
an important figure. He's just like talking to your dad,
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talking to your brother, talking to the guy in the street.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, well, this is a blue collar man's man. This
was kind of like you, Dave. Yeah, that's that's what
the people say about I'm a man's man. Based on
what I've read about Hackman, this is probably true. Lived
lived in New Mexico because he liked living in New
Mexico versus Los Angeles. He liked the fact that he
was away from the limelight. He lived in a caated community,
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But I think it was a fairly fairly big and.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It was a large There was a lot of distance
between some of the houses. Yeah, not the gated community
you live in right now, Dave. Yeah, not like I
think it's like a housing authority. Where do you live
in a housing authority, Dave, I'm not telling you government
subsidized housing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm not telling you anyway. Based on a report from
his pacemaker, here's here's what happened when when he passed away.
The official said it didn't appear to be foul play,
but it was suspicious enough to look into it. They
found that he had been dead. This is based on
his activity and his pacemaker. They said that his final
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recorded heart event was February seventeen. No outward signs of violence.
Two bodies laying on the floor. Hackman in one room,
in the mudroom, and his wife in the in a bathroom.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Now then a dog, Dave, you can't forget the dog,
and the poor old dog must have starved to death.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think we can determine that cause. Could have could
have starved to death. They said it to one on
one report. There were a lot of different A lot
of people like to speculate right, right, and and so
there was some some think something that it was starving
to death. Some think that it was asphyxiation because it
was in a closet, yes, or kennel. They different things,
in a cage, in a closet, and.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Maybe he died of sadness knowing that his uh two
owners had passed away.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Could have been, could have been, But the two of
the good thing is and this is one of the
happy ironies of it, I guess, or I don't know.
I don't know if it's a happy irony or I
don't know if it's a sad irony that the dog
died with them or happy irony that two other dogs
in the house survived. So the Happers were big dog lovers. Yes,
same as dog lovers. So I guess that's the good thing,
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right now? What's that thing? But they were find in
separate rooms, and the affidavit stated that his wife, whose
name was Bessie Rakawa, who was a coassically trained pianist,
she was found with it. They said there was a
space she was on the floor and there was a
space heater near her head. They didn't say it had
been knocked off or anything like that. They just said
the space heater. There's a lot of space heaters go
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on the ground. Absolutely none of this seems that suspicious,
but I get it as the cops are going to
look at these things. They also said that they were
A prescription bottle was found near the body open. There
were pills scattered around, but they were all prescription drugs,
thyroid medication, blood pressure medication.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm thinking this is a tough one. Right now, it's undetermined.
They don't believe it's a homicide. But the suspicious nature
is that Hackman could have very easily just dropped dead.
He's ninety five years old.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Now he's ninety five. His wife was sixty four, but yeah,
he could have died and then she.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Saw that, and she could have took some pills and
ode to something to that effect. I've heard of cases
where someone finds their loved one dead, usually older people,
and the shock of their death will induce a heart
attack in the other person and they both will be
found dead at the same scene. So now you have
two unattended death to include a dog. So it's very
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suspicious in that no one witnessed the death. So until
they make a determination through toxicology tests, blood tests and
things of that nature, then right now it's undetermined, and
I think we hope that it wasn't some sort of
elaborate homicide, but we believe it's just some sort of
an accidental situation or natural cause of the situation.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That's what you that's certainly with your hope, that's what
you hope.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You would hate to think that there was some sort
of a double homicide or double murder suicide type situation,
but with no trauma to the body, then it would
be drug induce some form of a.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Drug unless it was a heart attack. Oh yeah, heart attack.
If if as you say, he passed away ninety he's
ninety five, he died a whole day. Yeah, she found it,
she had a heart attack. She might be maybe went
to the to the medicine cabinet, think that there was
something that that could save her, and that's where she
passed away.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You know you mentioned you mentioned the dog lovers. Yeah,
wouldn't she have let the dog out of the crate?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's that's a weird scenario right there. If I'm a
dog lover and I'm so distraught that my husband has
just passed away and I'm going to commit suicide or
something like that, wouldn't I just let the dog out
and run and play with the other two dogs that
were in the yard.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Not if you had a heart attack and you were panicking.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, we're trying to speculate and put some sort
of a face on it and try to rationalize it.
And like I said, until the toxicology comes back. All
these little podcasters like us Dave were just trying to
throw like little dots in certain areas and see if
they hit.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So let me ask you this for me, the irony
here is twofold. Well, it's really one one with just
the fact that a guy had such a life. He
had a tough early life. His father kind of a
band of the family, his mother became an alcoholic. He
left to you know, to join the Marines at sixteen,
so he was clearly looking to get away from the house.
And I think he once said that dysfunctional families who
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were good training ground for actors. Tried to tried as
an actor, struggled for a long time as an actor,
finally hit it big in his mid thirties and then
had this incredible career for forty years. Wasn't a big
tabloid guy, you know, showed up for the awards ceremonies,
but beyond that he kind of kept things low key.
So he had a fairly fantastic light for a long time.
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These films, some of them are for different reasons, are
celebrated films, and it just so was the irony for
you that it was just this end that was just so.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Such a tragic and in such a you're questioning how
it happened. But what I also questioned a little bit
is that he was possibly dead for ten days and
no one within the family kind of looked out for him.
Did they check up on him? I know that maybe
the people in the area, do they check up on
each other? Or is Gene Hackman and his wife known
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to be private people and they don't like people knocking
on their doors and we see him a couple of
times a year. So was that normal for no one
to check up.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
On them for ten days?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Because in law enforcement, I've seen people who have been
dead for eight, nine, ten, eleven days, and to me,
it was very It was sad because no one in
their family checked on their mother who was dead, and
they decided to call her ten days later. Hey, I
haven't heard from my mother in ten days?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Is that normal?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I never talked to my mother. You know, she's ninety
five years old. I never talked to her. To me,
is law enforcement? That's it's kind of very non or unsympathetic.
I would think if I'm a daughter or a family
member or a neighbor, I would check on my ninety
five year old neighbor unless I was told leave me alone,
don't talk to me. And this is the way I
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like to live.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
A recluse, right, right, So right, I don't think he
I don't think he was necessarily a recluse because of Again,
again he came out from Yeah, he sat on the
board of of arts organization in Santa Fe. So I
don't think he was a total recluse. I think he
was a fairly private guy. But again, he's a ninety
five year old man with a sixty five year old wife.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, and maybe those pills were viagra, Dave, and he
took some viagra and he just dropped dead, and then
that's the cause of death. They didn't meant there could
have been some viagra in that day. I know you've
taken many viagra.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You can't five or six? You can't know d on him,
can you? No? I've tried, and nor is there any
benefit at a certain point there you go anyway, I'm
not the expert on that some people are, but anyway,
tough end for Gene Hackman and his wife. All right,
let's move it. Let's move it on, let's send the wheel.
Yeah we go.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
One last time, Dave, here we go. It's spurning around
and it looks like another really positive one today, Dave.
The last one you hold blooded murder, Dave.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Let me say that again, cold blooded murder.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So hide your kids if you don't want to hear
what we have to say about this one.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
This is a tough one. This was a tough one,
but you got.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
New details have emerged in the murder of a beloved
California fire captain who authorities say was killed by her wife,
who also remains at large. Rebecca Becky Morody, age forty nine,
was stabbed multiple times in her San Diego County home
February seventeenth. Days after her death, authorities named her wife
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as the suspected killer, Yolanda Morodi. The suspected killer, also
known as Yolanda Olin Jasik. I don't even know how
to pronounce that, Dave. We'll just call her Yolanda. Oh okay,
remains on the run. It may have fled to Mexico,
and I'm pretty sure that the crack troops in Mexico
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will get her. I kind of doubt that Yolanda Oh
had previously served several years in prison for fatally stabbing
her first husband by the name of James, more than
two decades ago, in which she served a prison sentence
from two thousand and four to twenty and thirteen. So
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I guess the parole board must have determined that, hey,
she's pretty much cured of all her evilness, and they
let her out. I guess that was a bad gamble,
because she went on ten years later or twelve years
later to kill again in the same manner, dabbing someone
to death.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Dave, this is fascinating. Kiss a couple of things. How
do you date somebody? You say to them, Oh, so
what did you do between two thousand and four and
twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
We're gonna we're gonna get to that, Dave, because that's
a really big point here.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
We're gonna get to that. All personal affairs should include
personal resume or a personal resume.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah where we're Yeah, you have a job resume, Dave,
you need to have a marriage resume.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Oh that would that would eliminate so many issues. So
I'm gonna get into the gory details.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And this is based on a police report, and it's
also based on video and audio evidence. So shortly after
eight pm on the evening in question, Morodi appeared to
be chasing her wife on the patio when a female
voice cried out, believed to be Rebecca, who's the victim
in this case? Please don't do it. I do not
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want to die. And then Rebecca appears in the patio
with blood on her back. The report continues, You'll responded,
you should have thought about that before. Yolanda could be
seen at one point standing in front of Rebecca with
a knife in her hand. Blood was seen on Yolanda's arms.
The couple went inside, and about ten minutes later, Yolanda
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is seen gathering the pet, random items and some luggage
and loaded it into a silver Chevrolet Equinox SUV. And
has stated previously they believe she fled to Mexico after
Homeland Security reported her vehicle crossing the border. She's possibly
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in Mexico, So don't go to Mexico, Dave, because she
loves to stab people based on her past history.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's this is so tragic, I mean, it really does.
It points out that we should all just do a
background investigation, Dave's kind of investigation on anyone we love,
anyone we love. You know, did you do background information
on your.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Absent, Dave wife when you were dating oh my wife?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah? Absolutely I did.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Are you kidding me that I took her fingerprints, some
DNA and everything, Dave, No, I didn't. But in law enforcement, now,
if the victim had been a cop, she would have
very easily have been able to run the criminal history
of the lady that eventually killed her and found out
that there was an alias. Yeah, and found out that
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she had done time for manslaughter. Yeah, ten or fifteen,
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You think she knew.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't think she knew. I mean, do some people
marry murderers who get out of prison?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Absolutely, they do. Think about this, I don't think she knew, Dave. Well, listen,
she's a woman, and she married another woman, and so
while they're dating, the woman says, I made a horrible mistake.
I married this guy. He was abusive, and then one
day he was he had beaten me and I burned
the bed or whatever she did. Yeah, people are gullible, Dave.
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They'll believe a story like that. I mean, I know
how gullible people. I've been there. I've been there, I've
done that. Oh, there you go. But you haven't killed anyone, Dave, No,
I haven't killed anyone. And so far from nobody that
I've been involved with has killed anyone that I know of.
So to include yourself, could they could be hiding it
really well? You know, And up.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Until probably five years four or five years ago, cops
could run just randomly run someone's criminal history. And someone
went up to me and said, hey, could you my
daughter's dating some guy. Could you, you know, on the cuff,
could you run their history?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I might do it. I might not, but I might.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But nowadays, after the George Floyd incident, in most states,
every time a police officer runs a license plate, a
driver's license a criminal history attached to that, they have
to write a small little report of why they're requesting
this information. So information that was free and available to
(35:57):
even law enforcement people nowadays has been very limited. So
in reality, Dave, my daughter could say to me, hey, Dad,
could you run this new boyfriend I met? And I said, unfortunately,
your father can't do that anymore. And then three months
later I find out that my daughter is dating an
escape rapist from New Mexico, Dave all, thanks to George Floyd.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Lloyd, you know it's it's real. And now, what about
hiring a private detached?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Absolutely, a good private detective would be able to figure
that out. But the question is, if you're going to
marry someone, Dave to most people who are going to
marry someone, do they hire a private detective? I think
wealthy people tell, well, yeah, because they have a lot
to lose, to include their money.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right, Well, they've got the money too, you know, to
spend whatever it cost to hire private attacked.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I should invite my private detective buddy over and we
should ask him that question.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How many people that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Were getting married had they approached you and said, hey,
could you run my wife or my husband? I get
a weird feeling that you might have murdered someone about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think they probably do it early on, like and
I would guess, I would guess. You know that's you
see it in movies. You're seeing the movies. But it
makes a lot of sense if you're wealthy.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Let's say this, you so all the poor people get
murdered and all the wealthy people live, right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Listen to the podcast billows Up. You're making millions. You're
making millions of dollars. All of a sudden, somebody starts
dating your daughter, yep, and you're thinking to yourself, something
about him makes your Spidey sense tinkle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, probably his swastika, his swastika tattoo on his forehead.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Dave, Charlie Manson, Yeah, or or Kanye West.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
But I mean you'd pay Yeah, I would, and you're
paid pretty Because I'm not a cop anymore, and I
don't have access to that information.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, which is a shame. It's it's really a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Something about some of these lesbians out there, they're kind
of violent. Let's end it on this. I'm going to
end it on this.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Quick little story.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
When I was a cop, we got some information that
these two ladies who were in the city that I
live in. Actually they were in the neighborhood that I
grew up in, in a couple of houses next door
where I grew up. And we got information from people
in that neighborhood that these two ladies girlfriends, had kidnapped
the guy, older guy. They were in their thirties, kidnapped
(38:19):
an older guy, murdered him, brought him out to the
desert in Arizona, lit him on fire, dole his truck,
and came back to Massachusetts with the truck, where we
went there looking for him.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
They had fled.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
They were subsequently located at a Demula's supermarket up in
the Amesbury newbury Port area, which is kind of New Hampshire,
Massachusetts border. They run their way out of town going
to get to Canada.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Dave. Yeah, that's the thing that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Two very violent female lovers, Dave. So, I don't know
if there's a connection between female lovers and violence. Well,
I'm going to stop at that, Dave, I think because
you're a respected member of the community and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, it's a good point in this case though. It's
really an individual who went to jail for manslaughter, had
killed a person in the past, and I was doing
it again.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, that's that's the thing right here. That's the wheel
of misfortune. How unfortunate could someone have been? She married someone,
she's in love and she thinks, wow, this is a
great life, and her wife or ex wife is a murderer,
and then she's a double murderer because she just got
killed herself.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, that's so happy. Let's wrap it up on that, David,
all right, this has been a wheel of misfortune. I'm
Dave Radigan, that's Dale Lawrence and we'll see you next time.
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