Who's Watching the Watchers

(00:00:00) Introduction to the Panel and Topic
(00:02:02) The Dominance of Big Tech
(00:03:33) Are We Trapped by Big Tech?
(00:08:14) The Impact of Social Media on Daily Life
(00:12:17) Personal Responsibility in the Digital Age
(00:20:26) Government Regulation: A Double-Edged Sword
(00:37:04) Understanding Monopolies Across Borders
(00:40:14) The Apple Ecosystem: Choices and Consequences
(00:45:10) Antitrust Laws: A Global Perspective
(00:50:33) The Status Symbol of Technology
(00:55:26) Social Media Platforms: Dominance and Trends
(00:56:05) TikTok: Monopoly or Opportunity?
(01:04:04) 01:04:04 Final Thoughts and Reflections

In this episode, the panel discusses the dominance of major tech companies like Apple, Google, and Meta, exploring whether they serve consumers or create digital monopolies. The conversation delves into the implications of government regulation, antitrust cases, and the cultural perspectives on technology across different countries. The panelists share their insights on consumer choice, the role of government, and the impact of these tech giants on daily life, concluding with reflections on the future of technology and regulation.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Panel and Topic
02:02 The Dominance of Big Tech
03:33 Are We Trapped by Big Tech?
08:14 The Impact of Social Media on Daily Life
12:17 Personal Responsibility in the Digital Age
20:26 Government Regulation: A Double-Edged Sword
37:04 Understanding Monopolies Across Borders
40:14 The Apple Ecosystem: Choices and Consequences
45:10 Antitrust Laws: A Global Perspective
50:33 The Status Symbol of Technology
55:26 Social Media Platforms: Dominance and Trends
58:05 TikTok: Monopoly or Opportunity?
01:04:04 Final Thoughts and Reflections


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
See one Music dot f M.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Real Talk Radio. You know how we do.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is your boy dose. We're definitely in the building.
I got my special panelist.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
In the building right here.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm gonna give them an opportunity to shout their.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Names out and you know we today we're.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Gonna jump on a topic that, uh I think it's
interesting about things that are going on in the world,
news wise and everything. So before before we jump into
our topic, which the topic title is, who's watching the watchers,
I'm gonna let my.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Two specialists here.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Get into who they are, where they're from, and then
we're gonna jump into this.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm gonna start with you Apple talk to us.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Hi everyone, Yeah, let everybody, Let let the people know
who you are.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Hello everyone, I'm Apple and I'm from the Philippines, so yeah,
I am representing all the Philipies out there.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Hello.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Hello, good morning, good evening, good afternoon to everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's what's up and all.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
And on the other side, I got my specialist here,
Charity talk to a charity.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
Hi everyone, I'm Charity from Nigeria, from Africa. Good eve them,
good morning, good afternon Depending on wherever you watching, join
us as this discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
All right, check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
This is what the topic is about talking points again.
The title is who's watching the watchers?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
All right? For this episode, the podcast reviews that.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm president dominance of major tech companies, the global anti
trust scrutiny they face, and the diverging approach is taken
by countries to address these challenges. So we're gonna talk
big tech like Apple, Google Meta, who runs more and
more of our daily lives. They have given us incredible tools,

(02:08):
often for free, but that power has sparked a global debate.
Are they winning because their products are just that good
or because they've crushed the competition Around the world, governments
are stepping in with anti trust cases, and the big
question is will regulation protect innovation and choice or break

(02:29):
apart systems.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
That many people rely on every day.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
And so Apple, Google Meta, they just don't dominate one market,
They controlled entire ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, their power comes from what we call a flywheel effect.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
The more users they get, the stronger their platforms become,
and the harder it is for anyone else to break in.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
They dominate mobile.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Os, app stores, searching ads, social networks, and they all
have their own ecosystems. All right, So the question is
just how big these companies are, it's how deeply their
power is built into our daily lives. So I want

(03:16):
to ask this question first, and I let one of
you two respond right away. Are these ecosystems serving consumers?
Are trapping them?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Are Apple?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Google, Meta giving us a choice? Are they locking us
into a digital monopoly? Who want to tackle this one first?

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Let me go first, go ahead, talk to us the
terms of monopoly. I will say yes because of why
do I use this? So they have been in the
market and a lot of people accepted the platform, so
it's none difficult, and a lot of officials they included
made it very easy for people. They interface, the features

(03:58):
that are met people to you know, accept it widely.
So coming up with other companies it will be a
big challenge for them in terms just in terms of
business or our education. These people have done so at least,
like you said, the Google US and or that you
can push your market there, you can push your branded

(04:20):
through all this means. So I don't think there is
I don't know. I don't think there's new thing upcoming companies.
We like to add that these people don't have already
as even as the day is going by the advancing mode.
So for a new start up to meet up to
take a lot of time, or it might not even

(04:41):
reachhalf of what they dream of.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, but what about you? What should take well?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
For me? I couldn't agree more because you know, uh
not for now is the biggest companies like Meta, like Apple,
like Google. Every every day we are they are using them.

(05:08):
We are using them, so we have the dependence on
their technologies. They actually shaping the also the opinions and
the cultures of the of a country for example, like uh,
we are in a third world country now right, so uh.

(05:34):
The companies like Meta like uh like Google and Apple,
they also uh engage to us and their algorithm decide
on what we can see. They are shaping the news.
They they are shaping the entertainment, for example the viral

(06:00):
viral trends, uh like the recent election here in the Philippines.
They also uh monopolize I can say the misinformation if
if if someone did you know, uh had a bad

(06:22):
intention and got you know, monopolized the or wanted to
uh have a uh something like advantage to their you know,
you know politics. Of course, we really don't. That's why, well,

(06:44):
I I wanted to to engage more of the technologies.
But sadly, also the censorship of the technologist is the
all so we we we cannot we can't decide for that. Also,

(07:05):
so even when the kids are using Facebook, Meta Google,
they they they don't have filtered to that.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
So so, so.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Are you saying, are do you feel trapped by these
these companies?

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I can say yes, because we don't have that that uh,
that decision that we need to filter filter out those
information for our little kids. For me as a mom,
I wanted to have a uh, you know, a decent

(07:41):
videos that my daughter can see or the the the
other other information that you know that has sense or
you know, since they are monopoly in it and and
we don't have control to that, that's that's really a
problem in the near future.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, let me say this first, Jocelyn, welcome to the show.
Why don't you just tell us who you are real
quick and where you're from.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
Hi, everybody, I'm sorry, I'm late. I just can into
the studio room correctly, So I'm late. Sorry for guys, Okay,
I'm just justlyin and I'm twenty four years right now,
and I'm from Taiwan.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I want to say this episode actually was the idea
of this show or this episode, it's actually Jocelyn's idea conversation.
So shout out to Jocelyn for coming up with this topic. Jocelyn,
did you hear the actual I know you didn't get
a chance to hear the whole opening, But the question was,
are these ecosystem serving consumers or trapping them? Are Apple, Google,

(08:54):
Meta giving us a choice? Or are they locking us
into digital monopolies? What is your opinion on it?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I think they.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
I think they that's a trap actually, because excuse me,
can you say the question again? I'm kind of forgetting now.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The question is.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Are these ecosystem serving consumers or trapping them? Are Apple, Google,
and met have given us a choice? Or are they
locking us into digital monopolies?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (09:30):
Okay, so my answer is yes, I think they travels
just like the opinion I heard about I'm sorry the
last the last ladies, and I have the same feeling
about it because in my personal experience, I do think
that my life is being affected by digital by social media,

(09:57):
like really serious in the serious situation.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
For example, if I have to do something, if I.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
Have to do my in college, if i have to
do my homework, and the first thing I'm going to
do is to search to search the right information on
the internet, any platforms like Googles or any platforms that
you can search for information, even threats, because it's a
popular thing in Taiwan.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
So sometimes I'll.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
Search search where I need on threats. So it takes
a lot of time. And besides that, the function social
media has been created is that they want to. They
want to they want us to spend more time on it.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's the purpose of it.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
So if we use, if we use them regularly, the
more time we spend on this and they and.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
They achieve their goals and we can. We only have
a little time to do what we're gonna do.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
So if without the Internet, maybe I can just do
my homework in thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
But if.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
But in nowadays, I have to finish like a simple
coursework in maybe at least an hour. It's not a
four of social media. I wouldn't blend the total for
on it, but I do step in the chap that
they're made for me.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
So that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
All right, So Charity, I'm coming back to you on
this question because.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
You and you ladies all pretty much similarly had the
same answer.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
But I want to ask, I say, Charity, I'm asking
you first, Like Apple and Joscelyn was saying that Cecily
Jocelyn just now she said that she tries to do
a homework and anything, and then she has to search
and use social media and all this other stuff and
it could.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Be a distraction and so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
My question, because I'm asking this too, because I come
from an older generation and when I was coming up,
social media wasn't that prevalent back then. It is now,
and it's in everybody's lives and stuff now, and I'm
admitting that even now to a certain degrees in my life.
But when I was in school, when I was coming

(12:25):
up through high school and things of that nature, it
wasn't that important at that time. So my question to you,
Charity is don't we have a choice not to not
to use these platforms and things of that nature. I
think if Rich you be a part of these platforms,

(12:46):
then that's one thing. But if we got a choice
not to use these platforms, wouldn't the responsibility be on us.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Okay, coming from the last thing she said, I disagree
with that though that is a personal view. The emergency
of the internet. I think if I'm doing, if I'm
doing a research or writing an assignment, text me for
a time, because I don't need to can and open
go to library do this. No go even out of

(13:15):
my house. You can't make the research and come forward
from my zone. I can open my system. Google Shajipity
has even medivating very easy for us. We can even
like on social media. But it doesn't consume much time
for me. As she said, then coming from your own
your own question, yes, we have the choice system make

(13:38):
I don't need to We're not going to blame them
or blame anybody, because I believe as an individual, whatever
you are doing as an adult, you have to live
up to it. The decision you're making, the choices that
are making this up to you, so you don't need
to blame anybody for it. If you're caught up in
a crime world in nineteener, once you're up to eat is,

(14:00):
you will face the glow then will say ignorance is
not an excue. So in the sense that all these
things are there, you have the right not to use them.
You have the right to use them. So it's boys
down to you. What do you want, what you do
you want to do with your time, or what do
you want to do with all these things? There are
people that are not on social media and they are living.

(14:22):
There are people that don't even know that TikTok is existing.
Facebook's insisting all distance, but they're still living their normal life.
So I think it's a personal thing.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Got you, Jackson, what's your response to that? Being that
we are saying you have a.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Choice, and you also said it's not only on these platforms.
You also have to take some responsible yourself. What is
your response to that.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
I think that I'm kind of agree with the appointment,
but I have to say that I do this without choices.
Can I say this? Because the Internet, the system making
us to find a to find information that we want,

(15:13):
they made it so complicated. For example, recently Google just
launched a new function is their ai Gemini and the permoent.
New function is they put the answer of GERMANI on
the top of searching bars. For example, before that we

(15:35):
type something that we want to get, we want to
know the answer. What is the color of anything? And
enter and we have to find the answer by ourselves.
But nowadays Gemini pulled the answer on the top of
the bar so we can look it, so we can
know the answer in the first moment. But sometimes AI

(15:56):
do make some mistakes. So if we have to know
their so correctly, especially when we're doing a really important,
really important assignments, we have to check the information double
so that will make the that will make double time
to do to finish it.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Gotcha, Apple, do you agree with that? Because also, yeah,
Google will in the beginning, like when you open up
and you ask a question, Google will suggest an answer
from AI. But you you do still have the choice
to pay attention to it or not, like it's not
even though it's there, it's not forced upon you from

(16:36):
the standpoint that you got to use that answer.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
So Apple, what is your response to that?

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well, technically, do we have a choice to not use
the global tech? Technically yes and practically no. So I
have two answers. So number one, yes, you cannot use
those social media's, those Facebook, those Instagrams, those TikTok, those

(17:04):
x but avoiding Google or any big company like Microsoft
Apple it for now it is almost impossible because the
power of these most engines and devices are really big
and it has a really impact in our everyday lives.

(17:28):
For example, my work and my education. So I am
working through online and I am taking my master's online.
So I am taking those degrees. I am earning money
because of those Google, those Microsoft, Google Workspace, Zoom Slack teams.

(17:54):
For the school, we have Google Classroom, Microsoft Office. So technically,
did these companies add more to you as a person?
But in social connection, you have the option to not

(18:16):
use it, okay, so practically you can yeah, uh, practically
you can uh see the answers why when you ask
the AI or the Google or everything, But you know you,
that's the easiest. So that's the technique. That's the AI.

(18:39):
Now that's the technology is now in one click, we
have the answer. But that's practical because we save our energy,
our time, our money. But you know you, you have
the option to look for it for like example, if

(19:00):
you if you wanted to look for it for the
books in the library, you can. You have the option
to do that. Okay, you have the option to not
rely on those big companies and do the manual. But
it's up to you. You have the option you have

(19:23):
the choice. So yeah, I think it's a yes and
a no.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right, all right, I hear you. I want to
give first and foremost. I want to give a shout
out to Kathy. She's in the building with us today.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Kathy.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I'm gonna give a quick rendition of you, Kathy, real quick.
Kathy is from Kenya. She used to be my older sister.
Used to also actually she used to be the head
person for this particular show. Real talk before I change
it up to what it is today. But I want

(20:00):
to thank you Kathy for joining and Kathy, I don't
know if you heard the conversation, but we are talking
about the theme of the show is who's watching the watchers?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
We're talking about big tech.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
The question was, are these ecosystems serving consumers are trapping them?
Are Apple, Google, a Meta giving us a choice? Or
are they locking us in the digital monopolies.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I'm going to move on to my second question, and
I want you, Kathy, to start us off and answer
both of those questions. All right, So the first question is,
are these.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Ecosystems serving consumers are trapping them?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
All right?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Are companies like Google, Meta, Apple giving us a choice?
Or are they locking us into the into monopolies. And
my second question that I want you to spark us
off with is should governments step in and break up
this dominance?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
And if so, what that hurt innovation?

Speaker 8 (20:59):
Well, to answer the first question, Uh, Google isn't giving
us much of a choice because every time you go
google something are they always put an anithing there and
most of us don't like, look, don't give another attention
to anything. We just look at it and just pick

(21:20):
the first suggestion that it gives us. So it's like, uh,
they're not giving as much of a choice to choose anything.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Let me, let me, let me stop you, let me
stop you real quick. And I'm I'm gonna let you.
Coming back to you to answer the second question, but
I'm gonna pose this because everybody is saying the same thing,
So I want to say charity answer is for me. Yeah,
act like, why are you acting like Google is the
only search engine or the only browser that you have out.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
There to use?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
If you if you feel like Google is in what
you're doing, then use a different use Microsoft, use Safari,
use Firefox.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Use something else.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yet, Like, I don't know if I agree with the
trap aspect of it. I do think that if you're
using their technology and you're using what they do, I
don't have a problem from a business standpoint with them
being able to push certain things in front of you
because you're using their platforms. But I don't know if

(22:29):
I would agree and say it's a trap, being that
you have the option to download a different browser.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
On your computer and use something totally different. You don't
have to use Google. You can use Firefox.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I actually have three browsers on my computer as of
right now. You can use Microsoft Edge, you can use
something totally different.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know what I mean. It's your choice.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
But if you choose to use whatever you're using, I
don't know if I don't know if you should have
the right to complain about it. You know what I
mean to a certain right now, that's just my personal opinion. Charity,
Actually I want to I want I want Kathy to
answer that. So, Kathy, what's your response to what I
just said.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
I guess Google's much as it to use. That's why
we just use it.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
But you have a choice though you're not trapped in
using Google.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
I guess it is self trapped.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yourself. Yeah, so that would be your own responsibility of
doing that. Right, Yeah, okay, what.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Do you I'm gonna give everybody opportunity to respond to that.
But what do you think your government step in and
break up the dominance with that her innovation.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
I don't think you should do anything. You should stay
like that.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
So you don't think the government should step in it
and break up the monopolies? No, Jocelyn, talk to me.
I know, I know, I know this, this was your episode.
So your government step in? Oh and if they do
with that breakup innovation mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
In my opinion, I will say, uh, the answer is yes,
that they shoot have a regulation, like the government should
step in. But the answer is not yes or no,
it's like how much regulation they should build. So I
think that the valuation can stop multipolice like for example,

(24:18):
it can give smaller some star companies or chance to
grow their business. And so when the government set up
regulations those big techs, they have to take things seriously,
especially when they're talking about protecting our privacy and our
rights like users privacy and rights.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
So if they have.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
Regulations, the companies like Google or meta appoles, they if
we don't have regulations, they have no limits.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
So they could easily use our.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Informations everywhere they want, and they can dominate everything.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
So I would say that have a regulation is a must.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
But hmmm, according to your questions like will break the
system maybe, so I don't think that. I think it's
important thing is to create a balance.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, all right, Uh Apple, I want to I want
to hear from you real quick about that, because I
have a response to what Jocelyn said, but I want
to hear your opinion on this as well.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Do you agree with Jocelyn that it should be regulated.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yes, I actually agree with that, because you know, the
government should regulate it to protect the rights of the people,
to ensure the fairness of the of each national security.
But the thing is, of course they will do that.

(25:55):
The government will regulate with transparency, with accountability, and collaboration
with everyone global partners. Otherwise this regulation itself can become
another form of unchecked power. On the other hand, if

(26:16):
the government step in to regulate those big tech companies,
are they protecting us or just replacing what replacing another one?
In other words, like for example.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
They are they are.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Having a bad motives in politics? They can use that.
So I agree that yes, maybe it should have a
balance to protect the people. But also it shouldn't not
use it for the you know, for the politics, because

(26:59):
you know, government is still government.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
All right, charity, what do you think?

Speaker 6 (27:06):
I agree to an instance, But if government is trying
to come in, the objective will be clear, their motive
will be clear. The people we understand what they're trying
to do, because I would cite an example. I can
remember when we're all using these social media they're not

(27:26):
paying us, we buy that and all that. All of
a sudden Twitter started the payment aspect of it. Then
Facebook followed, So there's a challenge. So if government is
coming in with a good objective or motive for the people,
I think it will break these big text we are

(27:48):
having now, and other ones can sprunk up or have
a few to play as well, maybe their own ficials.
They might even come up with entizing fisials as well
that people can use it in terms of this privacy
of a thing they can you know, you're right, will
be reserved and it will not be in that public

(28:08):
space or they have the right to use it to
lead them. So I think yes, government should come in,
but in what angle to what estern And again you
should Should they be a continuity because this present government
can come and say they want to do this, The
next government that will come not continue with that, so
it will be the hotel will be destabilized. So the

(28:31):
the ideal think or the main focus is to what
estern Is it something that will be balanced? Is this
something that will be continued even after the present government?
Is there this subsequent one? Is this something to be
carried on?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
All right, Kathy, we should take on a real quick
because then I want to respond, So what should take
should government step in?

Speaker 8 (28:53):
I don't think they should do anything because even if
they step in, we won't find some people just want
to continue the same same thing in that government. So
I guess it's up to the person who's using the
browsers of the internet is up to you.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
And what do you want to be talking about?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
We're talking about phones, were talking about so we're talking
about Facebook, Google, Meta, you know, we talk about those companies.
Do you feel like those companies should the government step
in and mess with how they do business?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
No?

Speaker 8 (29:27):
I don't think they should do that because even if
they do, do they like control everything on their end too?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
All right, let me respond to this because I really
didn't get a chance to give my opinions or anything. Yet,
I'm going to say this first and foremost, all right,
because we all are from different locations all together, all right,
So my particular opinion on this is going to be
shaped differently than you guys. First and foremost, my opinion

(29:57):
is different only because I'm an American and the companies
that you guys are speaking of are American companies, all right. Secondly,
here in America, we have a lot of freedom and
rules that don't apply to us that applies to you
guys in your own respective countries. So because of that,

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that plays a major part on how business can be conducted.
Business here in America can be conducted a totally different
way than.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
It could be in certain other countries.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
And because of that, I believe that if the choice
is on the platform as well as the government, And
I recently would say this because of the simple fact
that in the UK recently, as as of like two
weeks ago, the UK is trying to censor not only

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that they're censoring YouTube channels, they're censoring.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Different companies, different.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
People who have who are speaking against the government.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
They're using because social media and YouTube is a big.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Platform now these people are speaking against their governments and
reporting their own news, and the UK is cracking down
on those people who have these big YouTube channels that
are talking against the people talking against the government.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And I want to say earlier.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
This year, the Vice President here went to the European
Union and gave a speech and lectured them on free
speech and talk to them about, hey, you're not only
are these people have the right to do what they're doing,

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this is also an American company and you're telling them
that they can't utilize that platforms that they have built
on the American companies platform.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And so it was a major issue in going back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
And the thing that I would argue back if the governments,
I think I'm going to agree with some of y'all
a little bit government should have The government should have
some say so in what freedoms that people can and
can't can't have in their countries. I would say that's

(32:30):
up to the government. And you guys got a choose
choice to leave the place where you live at and
move to a place where you have more freedoms, so on.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
And so forth.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
But I also think it's up to the company too.
To decide if they want to provide their services and
their platforms to your region. If your government is getting
out of pocket, then Facebook, let's say, use.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Facebook for instance.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
If your government is getting too out of pocket, then
you people people in your area won't be able to
use their platform nomore and don't use Facebook anymore. I
think Facebook should have just as much equal choicing, uh,
equal option to choose if they should allow customers in
these regions to take advantage of their services if the

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government is getting too involved.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And mainly because.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
In our government here we are allowed to have freedom
of speech, should have freedom to say things, and certain
countries don't allow you to have those certain freedoms, and
so because of that, that is a problem, you know
what I mean. So certain governments attitude towards certain things
may be totally different than the US government. And a
lot of times things that you guys are speaking of

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in this particular case is about US companies and so
like here, we do have options here, I don't most
of the web browsers that I'm that I would use
are US based web browsers. I don't personally care about
Google giving me if I look up something or whatever

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the case may be, and Google Gemini is giving me
a suggestion or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
And yes it's accurate. But I have the choice to
choose if I can.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Now, if you're in a place in a world where
you don't have a lot of options, then it's.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Up to you to deal with your government and fight
for somebody to.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Either fight for the rights or fight for the rights
for these companies to have to be able to not
be regulated in a way to where you know what
I'm saying, legislation will allow them to allow you to
do certain things or turn off certain things, so on
and so forth, but then you still leave it up
to the company if they want to provide services to

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the areas that you're in.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Kathy, what do you think about what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 (34:53):
Okay, as much as we have a choice to choose,
like the bros that you want to use.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Sub to the person, it's not up to the government.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
And actually here in Kenya, the are things you people
in US can access and as people in Keenia we
can to access.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
So I guess also it's up to.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
The government the rules the regulation they have put in
place for to use those you know, the social media stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Johnson, what do you think disagree?

Speaker 7 (35:25):
I want to take an examples of a long time ago,
because when I'm preparing for this recording, I searched something
online and it's a it's an anti trust cases in
nineteen nineties.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm not sure which years, but there's a thing about Microsoft.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
So I think that it's an advantage of as an
example of UH, anti trans is a anti trust is
anti trust benefit for the whole societies.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
So where was the case.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Where was the case being and where was the case
recorded that or where was the case being held at?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
What jurisdiction?

Speaker 7 (36:10):
Okay, so this is this case is about in the
nineteen nineties. Uh, Microsoft is dominate the computer world.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So Windows operate in what country? Most of the country?
Who has Internet?

Speaker 7 (36:27):
Because it's a I think that's a majority of things
that everyone on the planet should ad mean that except
something except some specific countries like China or other country
they have a serious government they won't allow they won't
allow their residents to use Internet unless those countries. Microsoft

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was majority majority and Windows is the majority systems of
the Internet.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Is that correct in your opinion?

Speaker 7 (37:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Really, yes?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
And the reason why I specifically asked the question that
I'm asking because again the reason why I'm asking a question,
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Familiar with the law there or the law.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
That you're speaking of in regards to Microsoft, but and
it being a monopoly over a dominant area. But I do,
I do go back to I refer back to the
statement that I made that our laws are totally different
in each country. That's to me very important when phrasing
the conversation, because here in America we have laws put

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in place where a company can't monopolize, right, you have
to have choice here in America.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
So like here, I used to work for AT and T.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Back in the day, AT and T was starting to monopolize,
meaning they was taking over or infrastructure for telephone, EV
and so on and so for just like how you're
saying Microsoft is, Microsoft did.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
But so the government gave them an option to break up.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
So I know a little bit after nine to eleven,
AT and T broke up to five different small companies,
AT and T Wireless, atn T Broadband, atn T.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Prepaid It. It was a whole bunch of different eight now,
so AT and T is separate.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Entities that used to be all under one telcom. You
know what I mean with laying down the pipes and
stuff in the ocean for the Internet to be ran.
All of that stuff all was under one monopoly at
one point in time.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Now here we have so many other.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Companies that tech technical companies that allow you to you
have options to choose.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Now, I don't know how it is set up.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
And let's say the Philippines, I don't know if there's
a monopoly out there where it's only one country. I mean,
it's only one company that everybody uses and they dominate
the market.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I don't know the.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Rules and regulations that that they have in the Philippines
are or in Nigeria, or in Kenya or in Taiwan.
I know here in America that doesn't happen that often
because you are giving options and they're forced to give
options because once they recognize that there's a monopoly or

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it's going about to be a monopoly, there is there
is a change. That's why where the where the court
matter is taking place is important because I don't know
if that issue is an American issue.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't know if I'm making sense to you and
IAmA to all of y'all. M yeah, like so so
I'll go back. So Apple, Apple has an ecosystem, right
you choose if you want to.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Be trapped in Apple's ecosystem or not. That's a choice,
though you do have I know a lot of people
right now who's trapped an Apple's ecosystem. One of the
reasons why I'm not trapped in Apples ecosystem. I respect
Apples products. Apple products are amazing, you know what I mean.
But you're trapped in the Apple ecosystem if you if

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you if you have an Apple phone, if you have
an Apple computer, if you have but.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
You make the choice to do that, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
For me as a as a as a person who
livestream is in technology. There's advantages to being in an
Apple ecosystem, but there's also disadvantages in being in an
Apple ecosystem. It really depends on what you do. I'm
blessed enough to be in an area where a part

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of the world where we have the freedoms and the
choices to choose that. So Apple was not necessarily even
if for this throwing in my face, I have the
option to ignore it, you know what I mean. It's
not it's not that serious, especially being a secily being
an American product, and our.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Mindset here is totally different. Like like right now, I
can sit here and tell you I have a four
K switcher that's from China.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
On a normal basis. Here in America, our mindset would
be even if it's even I it's even if it's
a Chinese product.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Most most people mindset is if you buy anything from China,
is gonna break.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's not it's not official, you know what I mean.
That's that's the mindset we have here from from from
experience and things of that nature, just dealing with products.
So they would never like here in America.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I'll give you, I'll give you now right now today
as we speak. Dj I is a drone company. America
banded them because they are here in America. They're banded
for drones because they're dominating the market and not allow
other companies to be able to compete. But that's how

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it is here in America. I don't know how it
is in other countries. Other countries mean not matter, and
a lot of people here, the consumers are upset, right
The consumers here are upset because they're like Yo, we
like Dji, we support Dji. We support their products and
everything else. But the government here was like, no, we're not,

(42:28):
We're not with that. Just like TikTok, America wants to
ban TikTok.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
You know what I mean, why because of the effect
that it has on the youth and stuff here. I
meet a lot of people now.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
One of the things that people do right now when
they say, the same company that owns TikTok.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Owns what's the what's the software program.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
A lot of people use for social media to edit cut?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Cap cut?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, cap cut Here in America, people don't use cap
cut that much because cap cut has there and their laws,
their by laws.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
When you read their.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Statements and stuff that whatever you use on their platform
they own, they have a license to use it as well.
So that I mean, if you edit anything on their footage,
they can use it at marketing material fout you even
having it. So I would never use cap cut for
any serious.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Editing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
And that's the law that they put in place for
them as a company, you know what I'm saying. And
if enough people here in America complain about it, cap
cut will be bad too, you know what I mean?
But I think the government should listen to these companies
and listen to their citizens.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
And see what they want.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
So I'm not against the government regulating and stepping in,
but I'm also like, here in America, I don't have
a problem with how America handles certain things because here
in America we have freedom to choose a different providers
and we don't allow companies to come in and monopolize.

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Even though, for instance, DGI, nobody wants to buy an
American drone.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Here.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
It's like, even though there are.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
American drones, everybody wants DGI because the name it comes.
But unfortunately, because of how it is here, Dji is
not allowed to dominate the market. Now, you could buy
a Dji camera, you could buy a Dji this, that,
and the third.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But drones, that's an issue.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
A Dji doesn't control the market here. For for cameras,
you know what I mean. But for drones, everybody, if
anybody's going to use a drone, it's like, you're not
cool if you don't have a Dji drone if you
come up with an American drone. In our minds, using
an American drone, it's the same way we look at
using Chinese products to a certain degree, even though Dji

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is a Chinese product, you know what I mean. But
Dji has has has a reputable name, and you know
people use it.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I don't, so.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I don't know, like I said, and I didn't mean
to cut you off, Joscelyn, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Know what you're speaking of.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
And when you say Microsoft, I don't here in America Microsoft,
I would tell you you can buy a Microsoft computer.
Sometimes the Microsoft computers are cheap, sometimes they're expensive. You
can buy You can't buy an Apple computer and it
be super cheap, like you got to spend money if
you want to buy a Mac.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
But people will buy it.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
There's advantages, like again, you get trapped in the Mac ecosystem.
With match you can't you can't break the Mac down
and change the graphics card out or do certain things,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
With a PC, you could.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I can buy a cheap computer and turn it into
a powerful computer.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I could take the parts out of it. I can
mess around and you know, turn it into a gaming PC.
I can't do that with a Mac.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
With Mac, you choose to be in an ecosystem and
you stuck with what you got until you go buy
a new one.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Those are the choices to say, if you want, you
can buy in this computer here. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
If you if you want a laptop but you don't
really want the belts and whistles, you can get a
Google Chromebook here. Now we have those type of options
and people choose those type of things, you know what
I mean. I don't know how it is there in
you guys market For me, I would be I would
love to understand that. You know, I understand what what

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the differences between the two.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
But if you if you don't mind, I, like I said,
we only got ten minutes. I didn't mean to cut
you off, Jocelyne.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I want to give you an opportunity to go ahead
and talk about the anti trust case that will gets
Microsoft real quick.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh it's okay, So okay.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
So this case is basically about the Microsoft changes business
business practice. So they include a browser choice screen and
which allow users to easily select different browsers.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
That's the end of this story. So, but I want
to say that what.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Was the case hold on, I'm sorry, where was the
case held at? Though? What country was it? In?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
The US government? This case has happened in US, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
So it's the US government, But that doesn't mean that
let's say in Taiwan that your government regulated them to
be able to say that they have to use that
that you know, offer another browser instead, or whatever the
case may be, the US has installed that.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
So that's the.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Reason why I brought up the case I brought up
here in America, we have these these things in place
where you have to have options. But let's say in Taiwan,
if everybody used Google, then it is a monopoly. Yeah,
your country can regulate it, but if you don't have
other options, then that's not Google fau.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
That's not your government for neither.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
But you guys have different laws in your country that's
totally different than the laws here.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
But I guess that's why that's the advantage of antitrust
because when Microsoft, when they do this thing, to Microsoft,
let's set the regulation to it.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
And after a few years the Apple came out.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
So that's that's a that's kind of a help to
build helping them to build another browser Safari.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
So, but this is my question to you, and this
is my question to Charity Apple and Kathy because what
you just brought up in what you stated was something
that happened in America, and even though it happened in America,
that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the same for you

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in your country. So if we talk about anti trust laws,
what are the anti trust laws? And let's say Taiwan
that regulated some of these companies, these American companies, Because
right now we're talking about these these American companies that
are monopolizing, what are they?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
What are the.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
What are Let's go back in and say this Android is
not an American company. There's a lot of people that
use androids. I was just talking to Charity earlier to day.
She said, in Africa, everybody has more of an Android
than Applefore them are correct.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
So my question then is what are your government doing
to make sure that Android doesn't have a monopoly in
your country? What are the laws, what are their court
findings or hearings that you're able to make sure that
Android is not monopolizing in your countries. Those are the questions,
because I don't know if it's fair to put America

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in this particular situation when our laws and everything are
totally different. We have installed in place that a country,
a company cannot monopolize. That's and I think that's one
of the reasons why my country here leads in technology
in certain areas because we don't allow we encourage innovation,
and we don't allow for companies to monopolize here. And

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that been like that day one from from my birth,
you know. So that's the US history in itself. There's
other things that I can bring up, from liquor to
to like we have brands that have to like, you
can't have a monopoly here.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
You have to compete with other brands. They have to
be If there's.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
A clothing clothing designer, there has to be another clothing
designer that can compete with that clothing designer.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That doesn't necessarily mean that that.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Clothing designer is going to be the best, but you
don't have the opportunity to completely monopolize. So for you
in the Philippines, Apple is Android like the dominant. So
what is your country and what is your country doing
to make sure that they don't monopolize.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
What options do you guys have for film providers. I'm
asking you.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Apple, okay, uh, well, here we have course Android and Apple,
but those two are differ in the in your status.
You know, when you say Apple, like it's either cell phone,

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either MacBook, iPad everything. It's the price is so high
compared to the Android. Okay, so Apple here is a
status symbol. So when you go to example, for example,
when you go to Starbucks and you have an Apple

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iPhone the latest one, iPhone sixteen promax, the status symbol
is there because you can afford and those people using Android,
it's like, oh, that's more cheaper than the Apple. It's like, uh,

(52:03):
have you heard I don't know if you heard the
news here that the first uh the first day that
iPhone I phone sixteen promacs released here in the Philippines,
it has a long queue. It has a long queue

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because Apple now it's it's it's not just a and
and you know, an item that you can that help
you your everyday lives. It is also a status symbol
here in Philippines. But for me personally, either you're using

(52:44):
Android or Apple, as long as uh, it gives you productivity,
it gives you, uh the confidence to you know, to
to the the easiest, easiest way to produce more. It's

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it's no longer more about Apple or Android.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
But yeah, yeah, is it the same in your countries
as well, like having an iPhone as a as a
status status symbol.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Yeah, yeah it is, because it's not it's.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Not like that here said so so so so Apple.
I mean yeah, Apple is having a do you feel
like do you feel like Apple or do you feel
like Android has a dominance?

Speaker 4 (53:39):
You know? For me, it depends. But you know what,
since technologists are rising very fast here in Philippines, it
also monopolizing the technology. Even we have so many bloggers.

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We have the blogger for the food, for the tech,
for everything now and we can they can share it
through meta, through Facebook, through TikTok, through Instagram, and they
can earn more with that. So they are using that
for money.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Now.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
People are using Apple Apple products because not just for
the status symbol, but it has a good specs, it
has a good reputation that oh it is more. Remember
the time that we had last Monday that I'm using

(54:41):
my phone over my laptop. M h, So yeah, I'm
using my phone. It's a brighter face compared to the
to the laptop. Remember, So people now using comfort, people
using it because oh I'm beautiful here. Oh it's it's easy.

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It's see It's easy for me to handle it because
its cell phone I compared to my laptop. I'm using Android,
So you know, some people depends on the people. But
for me, if if you are asking me, uh yeah Apple,

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here is a status symbol and you know what?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, let me let me, let me change for a minute.
I want to ask this question real quick.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Facebook. Is it bigg in your country? Yes? Charity? Is
Facebook bliging your country?

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yes, Kathy? Is Facebook big in your country?

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Excuse me? Is Facebook big in Taiwan?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Kind of?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
What is? What is kind of?

Speaker 7 (56:00):
I mean the number of the younger generation they prefer
to use Instagram and Threats instead of Facebook?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Meta?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Gotcha? Is Apple is outside of Facebook?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Is there any other platform that's big in your country? Yes,
TikTok okay.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
What about? What about? What about you? Joscelyn?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
What's the next big platform?

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Maybe? Number ranking numbers three? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (56:32):
After Inkspirm and Threats, the numbers are will be TikTok okay.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Instagram and Threads is owned by meatadough. All right, Kathy,
what about you in your country? What's the major platform?
Tik okay?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
What about your charity?

Speaker 5 (56:52):
That's a TikTok, followed by snapshots.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Snapchat. Yes, still use snapchat?

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I don't even know anybody who you snapchat anymore. But
maybe maybe I'm aged out.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I don't know. I don't know anybody whose who snapchat though.
All right, but cool.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Let me ask you now my last question for ya
before we go and TikTok for the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Do you feel like TikTok has a monopoly?

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yes, I can say because as you mentioned earlier, Philippines
are not like the other companies like here in Asian
TikTok here in Philippines are not like tiktoks in China.
Tiktoks in China, they are using it for education. So
if you if you're from Philippines and go to China,

(57:50):
then you cannot use TikTok as social media. Here in
Philippines you can. You can browse everything, you can see
everything in TikTok, and you can sell in TikTok. That's
why it's more convenient to the people.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Got it, Let me ask, Let me ask one more
question for you. In TikTok, what is the what is
the biggest region that gets the most air in your country?
On TikTok.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Sorry, what's the most region?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
The biggest region?

Speaker 1 (58:22):
So when you get suggestions whenever they propose different videos,
what region of the world are they promoting these videos from.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
I think it's for more of an entertainment. You know
what you'll see, You'll see dancing people, You'll see.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
You staring what you're saying. But I'm asking a specific question.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I'm asking you what region of the world are there, Like,
are they showing people from the Philippines, Are they showing
people from Europe? Are they showing from America? South America?
What region of the world is being put in your face?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:57):
More more of Filipinos?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Okay, cool for you.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
Jacen use TikTok because because I live in Taiwan, so
because Tikta isn't app from China, so it's kind of
sensitive for using to use a China app due to
our political issue.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Say less, I'm on the same pages you got you?
What about what about your charity?

Speaker 6 (59:24):
A lot of folks they I use TikTok mostly for
content creation. Most people that are into skits, so because
they use especially use they use it to do skits.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
A lot.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Got you. Do you feel like they have a monopoly
in your country TikTok.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, they have the monopoly. Like what I said,
everybody is even if everybody is on TikTok. Now they
want to make money. Everybody wants to make money, even
if in fact, even if it's just to even go chat,
let's do a lot of things to drive traffic, they
will do it.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
So everybody is there.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
To make money.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
That is it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
So they're not they're not going to another platform rather
than that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
All right, what what region of the world do they
promote the most on TikTok for you? Nineteeners, Nigerians, the many.
Mainly they show Nigerians and TikTok for you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Yeah, and there's some African countries, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Okay? Cool? What what about you, Kathy? Real quick?

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:00:32):
For me, my algorithm shows me the US content, and
if I want to see people from my country, I
have to go to the friends the people I follow,
the people follow me.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
But for the for you page for me, mostly in
the US content.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Why do you feel like TikTok has a monopoli and tenure?

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
See that's the reason why in this this is the
reason why I'm asking a question because again here in America,
TikTok is the government is pushing the band TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
For to read for a couple of reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
A because it is trying to become a monopoly, and
B a lot of times TikTok will show stupidness to
make y'all think that this is how it is in
America and it's not so other parts of the world. Yeah,
you have cycle people on TikTok who do cycle things,

(01:01:30):
and then people in the world, people from other places,
will be like, oh see, that's how Americans act. And
I believe me and Kathy had a conversation earlier this
year about this, you know what I mean with news
and things of that nature, where she's like, oh, in
La there was a whole bunch of fires and this,
that and the third and they're talking about this, and
I'm like, ain't nobody here talking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
About that like that. It's not a big deal, but although.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
It's on TikTok and and I'm like, yo, here, I'll
show you the news now, and I showed her and
it's like, yo, it's not that serious, Like how you
making it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
You know what I'm saying? Or I've seen people have
debase and argue.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Another thing I know was big like black Americans don't
know where they're from.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
There was a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Big controversy about that and Americans arguing with Africans because Africans,
you know what I'm saying. And it was a big
thing about that on TikTok and stuff like that. And
that's the reason why the government wants to ban TikTok
because it's like, Yo, this is for kazy, you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Know what I mean, This is not it's not it.
You know what I'm saying. And I know that for
the I don't know a week or two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I'm gonna ask you, Kathy real quick, because you was
the person that said that you got American content for
the one week or so that TikTok was banned. TikTok
was dead for that one week. If Americans wasn't on it,
true or false. Two, this is the reason why, you
know what I mean, they want to you know, they

(01:03:02):
want to do that. But yeah, Americans was beefing when
Africans and Americans were beefing with the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
There's mad YouTube videos out there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
With guys arguing with Africans or Africans calling up on
live TikTok shows arguing because you know what I mean,
and it's entertaining to watch, But sometimes I'm sitting there like, yo,
I don't have the time to say and argue with
y'all about something that's irrelevant, you know what I mean,
Like I don't know why the person is doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
But anyway, my whole point.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
That I brought that up is because all of y'all
said that TikTok is monopolizing in your countries, but your governments.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Are not doing anything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
And that's the thing that I wanted to point out here.
In my country, the US, the government is trying to
ban TikTok from having a monopoly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
And that is the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
And that's why I'm saying to y'all that you know,
the government and how they respond and how they react
and certain things is totally different than.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Each in each place. So you gotta also keep that
in mind.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Final words, as we let as I let you'all go,
Kathy'm gonna start with you. You got anything you want to say?
Give a shout out to anybody.

Speaker 8 (01:04:09):
When I give a shout out to my sister who
is kind of through waiting for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yep, she could have listened to it already. She could
have been listening to it right now as we go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
But next time, Okay, Charity, you won't give a shout
to anybody you want to have any final words?

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
Thank you to everybody that I've been listening to us.
Is nice being here. I think we call me again this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Time, Apple, Any final words, any shout outs?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Shout out to everyone who's listening to this, and I
hope you enjoy listening to us and more more to come.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Nice. I saved.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I saved the creator of this episode for last, Jocelyn.
Any final words you want to say on this particular
time topic being at this was one that touched your heart.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Okay mhm. Shout out to you guys for having me here.

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
And I have so much fun for recording this episode,
So thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
All right, Yeah, were signing out. Thank y'all for tuning in.
This is real talk.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
You know, we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Start bringing the you know, the the reactions, the news,
the tech. We're gonna we're gonna talk about a lot
of different things. We're gonna get the rest of the
panel on the show, and we're gonna you know, we're
gonna do our thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I thank y'all for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
I'm your host, Aaron Robinson, and we signing off high
at you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Boy, were out of here.