240: Sister Wives Rewind - Polygamist Marriage Therapy (S6 E10) - Reality TV Cringe

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We are here to talk Sister Wives. Honey. This is
the last rewind episode that we're going to be doing
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Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now, before we get into this rewind recap, there was
some news, yes that was dropped today about Coyote Pass honey,
why don't you tell the people about it?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, apparently all of the plots on Coyote Pass have
sold wow, which is crazy. Yeah, and you would drop
this in our chat and I didn't even see this.
But apparently it was sold to a couple, yes, but
it doesn't say who it was.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it is not Robin and Cody, though, thank god,
it is some other couple. I think that one of
them is an actual broker, so there may be an
intent to develop this land, which I know Cody wanted
to do, but of course he didn't do because he
never follows through of course, not with anything. But it

(03:30):
is a couple.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and apparently they profited total all four plots being sold,
they profited six hundred and ten thousand.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yes, because they purchased all of the plots on Coyote
Pass for I think a total of like eight hundred
and thirty thousand dollars. With the sale of these four
plots in the year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
I think it's like a one point five million dollars sale.
And so yeah, it's like a six hundred and ten
thousand dollars profit or something like that, which means each

(04:01):
individual gets. I can't do mass.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
One hundred and fifty two thousand allegedly right if they
split it evenly.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Which I think they will, I think according to the
ownership records, they'll have to hope. So, but like then
Mary and Janelle are going to have to pay their attorneys.
I assume Cody and Robin also had to acquire attorneys
and will have to pay that. They'll have to pay
like taxes. I know, like when you sell your home
you have to pay capital gains taxes or you have

(04:31):
to roll it over into the next purchase. And so
because Cody and Robin have already purchased their new McMansion,
I think that means they're going to have to be
taxed on the sale of this property.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And it also doesn't take into consideration the amount of
taxes they were paying each year that they held this land,
which I would assume came out of the family LLC.
And I think Nikki Haverstock reported that it was like
sixteen or seventeen thousand dollars a year in property taxes.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That cannot be I mean that is a ton well
for all of that land. Yeah, I guess, I mean
it's a lot. Yeah, so it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I think they've had it for like nine years
something eight eight years. They've had it for quite some time,
so like if it's it's a round up to twenty thousand,
and they've had it for eight or nine year, like,
they've paid a lot out just in the property taxes.
So I mean, I'm wondering how much profit they actually make.
But at least Mary and Janelle are getting something.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, it seems like it's officially done. So thank god
we don't have to hear about Coyote Pass next season.
Oh my god, I'm so over but of course we are.
Well ask my question too, do we think that they're
going to wrap up this sale of Coyote Pass in
these final five or whatever episodes of season nineteen or
are we going to have to address the whole dang

(05:51):
thing in season twenty. That's what I'm worried about. I mean,
if we don't wrap it up this season, we probably
will talk about it next season. I just hope that
it's not for the tire season twenty because if it's
literally all of this like back and forth then lawsuits
and all this stuff, I mean, yeah, it's interesting, but
like it's annoying to get it a year or two

(06:13):
later after it already happened. It'd be nice to wrap
a bow on and now and get it done with.
Maybe we'll talk about it and then tell nothing. M hmm, doubt.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I doubt it, because, like the sales were final yesterday
or today, and I don't know, if you've got an
outsider who's purchasing the property, whether they would be willing
to time the drop of that sale or the announcement
of that sale, like perfectly with the release of the
second half of this season. It feels like this is
about around the time when they actually did sell the

(06:40):
property and close on it, right, So I honestly think
we're gonna get it in season twenty. I think we're
also going to get to Ada Farms. I think we're
gonna get Christine in her second Airbnb, and I hope
we'll get some of the lawsuits stuff and the book
stuff from Christine. But we're I think we're gonna be
with Coyote Pass for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
So tired of hearing about it. Fortunately well, speaking of
Tata Farms, apparently Madison I think posted on Instagram today,
I guess they're having problems with permitting with the farm
and like starting a garden, so her and her husband
have to like do their garden in their backyard at
their house because they can't do anything with Tayata Farms
because of permitting issues. And I'm just like, so you

(07:22):
bought all of this property and then like didn't know
about the permitting issues, Like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Know, why wouldn't you have checked that out before you
purchase this particular property. Maybe it's just like a regulation
that there's something that they have to go through and
it's just going to take some time and then they
will get it. Are you saying that they're never going
to get the permits?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well no, Allegedly she commented to somebody and said that
they knew that they were going to have to get permits,
which is fine, but they just didn't know it was
going to take this long and be this complicated. So,
in true Brown fashion, not thinking anything through, barreling in
and just going in head first with no knowledge into
this and it's a little bit difficult. So I hope
that they get it all figured out, because that would

(08:00):
be really terrible, terrible if they bought all of this
acreage and bought this whole farm and they can't develop
it and they can't do anything with it that would
be wild. But they're literally tearing up their whole backyard
and turning it into a tree farm, and like.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And Maddie's home, their little colonial house, their little acreage there,
they're making it a huge taking it into a tree farm.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I guess, or like a garden. I don't know, God,
but they like plowed the entire thing, removed all of
the grass, which I mean is cool. But I'm like, wow, okay, wow,
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's very interesting as well. You've got your raccoon finger
on the pulse, Thank you, honey. Awesome? All right, is
there anything else that we need to discuss before we
get into the rewind recab?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't think so. This episode was lit this week.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
There was so much here. We were eating the trash
and it was good. So again we are on season six.
I think this was episode ten.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, entitle polygamist marriage therapy.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
We meet Nancy the therapist, We go to Sajonah. Yeah, there's
this little thing with Leon and going to Westminster, which
we'll also talk about. But yeah, the whole thing was
very revealing and I can't wait to get into it.
Start us up, bitch.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
As it was juicy. We got right into it with
like a little bit of a counseling session with Nancy
right off the bat. It's kind of like their first
interaction with her because they used to have a therapist
in Utah named Pat that they saw for like five
years and she was really great apparently, but now that
they're in Nevada, they can't see Pat because she doesn't

(09:38):
practice in Nevada. So Pat found Nancy for the Browns,
but she's never worked with a polygamist family before, shocker.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Which makes Robin very suspicious. So she doesn't very she
feels unsafe, Veryancy, you don't know because we're polygamists here. Yeah,
so yeah, she's a little nervous about it.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
That was so annoying this whole episode. Yeah, for talking
about how she can't trust the therapists because they don't
know polygamy, I'm like, you barely know polygamy.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Right, You've only been living polygamy here for a couple
of years, even though I guess your mom was a mistress.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Or something exactly. Like.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
She's also so judgmental of this monogamist therapist who I
feel is showing up in good faith and really wants
to help the family. Yeah, and she's just like, well,
I don't know if I can trust her. She's got
a long way to go to earn my trust. I'm like, okay, Robin,
but you expect everybody at the expos though to accept
you and to be okay with your lifestyle, but you

(10:34):
have such a hard time with Nancy's. Make it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's because Nancy is a therapist and would actually dive
into the root issues of everybody in the family, and
Robin doesn't want that exposed. No, because she's the issue.
She's the problem. But it's interesting because they open the
episode talking about like how a lot of polygnist families
don't actually seek therapy because they're worried about the therapists

(10:56):
pointing to polygamy as the issue and the root cause
of all the family's dysfunction, which it's like, it is, yeah, objectively,
it is. But they saw Pat for many years. They
really liked her. She helped a lot with the family apparently,
And so now they're starting things with Nancy, and Nancy
starts off with a personality test.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well, before we get there, it does sound like when
Mary is providing context around Pat, that it was Cody
and Mary together that originally went to Pat for therapies
that they could learn how to communicate with one another
because they were having issues in their particular union. And
then at some point it sounds like, I mean, I'm
inferring that they then started to bring in Christine and

(11:40):
Janelle and the whole family unit, but it was Mary
and Godi that went in with the initial issue.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's what the subtext was. It was very interesting. They
didn't really talk about that, but we're sniffing there, yes,
for sure. And then they also, like Cody mentions how
a lot of therapists are feminists and how feminists don't
like their.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Lifestyle because it exploits and abuses women. Hello, yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
So he's a little concerned about that. But back to
the personality test, and like, the only thing I'm thinking
about as I'm watching this is how Robin said last
season or whenever it was, that she never took a
personality test, and if somebody took a personality test, they
did it on her behalf without her permission. And here
we have her in season six in the therapy session, yep,

(12:32):
with her own pad of paper and pen, taking that
damn personality I know, and.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Literally reading aloud some of the questions on the personality
test with everybody else in the room, like it's documented, Robin,
you alaijah. And then Cody says something really interesting here,
and he echoes this throughout the episode where he talks
about his worries with Nancy and how he's worried that
Nancy will say that he's the only one that has
to self improve and none of these other wives need

(13:01):
to do anything to improve themselves. He's worried that he'll
have to do all of the work or he'll be
pointed out.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
To do, well, what did you think of that?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
M That was total narc behavior, because I feel like
he probably was called out in other therapy sessions. But
then he like works this around in his mind, thinking like, well,
but it's not just me though, it's everybody else, and like, yeah,
that's true on its surface, like, yeah, it does take
two to tango, it's not just Cody. Like the wives

(13:31):
do have to kind of sure give their effort, of course,
but I feel like in Cody's brain, he's interpreting that
as like I don't have to improve.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Though yeah, it did come across that way, but to me,
it kind of felt like this was him mask off
saying something like, I don't want to do all of
this work. I'm getting super tired of having to manage
all of these wives and all of their petty relationships
and how they cannot get along with each other. They
all come to me. They expect me to be the

(14:01):
middle person to mediate their issues, and I don't want
to do that anymore. I'm getting tired, which is exactly
what he's saying. Honestly. Oh yeah, in season sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
and nineteen, he's over it. He's done with it. But
we can take it all the way back to season
six because previous to this, when they're getting into the
call to Sacks and when they're renting the homes and
they're in LEI, we don't really hear him say this.

(14:23):
He seems more than happy to try and manage his relationships.
But something has happened, is what I think I'm trying
to get to. Like the way Mary is so close
to tears throughout the entire episode, the way that Robin
is showing up kind of angry and super protective and
shielding Cody from any criticism. I'm like, what's going on here?
But I think there's some fighting that's taking place between

(14:45):
Mary and Robin and Janelle and Christina. I'm not sure
how that's happening, but something is happening. Did you get
that vibe too?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh? Totally, And I totally got the vibe that Cody
was like getting tired of having to manage all of
this and getting tired of having to be the common
denominator and even talks about that later in the episode.
Will get there when we have everybody positioned in the
orbit of Cody. But yeah, it was really interesting to
kind of hear him talk about this, like he doesn't

(15:12):
want to have to manage the relationships. He doesn't want
to have to do all of the emotional heavy lifting
because he feels like he has to do all of
that in the family, which I'm just like, dude, you
can't have it both ways. Like it's crazy how he's
saying all this in season six and then in season sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen nineteen, he's like bitching about having to be the
patriarch and like needing control, and how they don't let

(15:35):
him have control. So it's like, what do you want.
Do you want to be the patriarch or the family.
Do you want everybody to obey you? Or do you
not want to have to do all at work? Just
step back and let the women fight each other and
deal with it.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean, I feel like there's a portion of what
he is saying that is valid. I feel like there's
a lot of infighting with the women, and I think
that he doesn't know how to mediate that, he doesn't
know how to control that, and he's just getting tired
of it because nothing that he's trying is working. I think,
from my intuition that a lot of this stems around
Mary and Mary's fundamental inability to communicate in a way

(16:12):
that is not brutal, which we'll get back to when
we talk about the personality test, because in it, it
is revealed that she is a truth teller and it's
very important to her that they operate in truth, but
that she may have a shadow aspect that causes her
to speak the truth in a way that is unkind
and maybe even ostracizing and isolating to others, which I

(16:34):
think is very true. Of Mary, and also, by the way, Leon,
I think they both share that personality trait, And so
I think Cody has spent at this point twenty twenty
five years trying to figure out Mary's emotional compass and
trying to sift through her communication to find what she's

(16:54):
really trying to say underneath all the bluster and potential
abuse that comes along with her communication. And I think Mary,
at this point this is just what I'm picking up,
has hurt a lot of this feedback, which is why
we have a Mary at this point who's constantly walls up.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, well this is stupid, right.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't know if it's safe for me to actually
tell you how I feel. And I struggle a lot,
And she even says I struggle a lot figuring out
how to say the thing in a way that's not
going to offend somebody else, which means she's been offending people.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah. Yeah, But she's also like in a family of
people who don't want to tell the truth, Like people
who don't say how they really feel, don't actually share
their real opinions, like most of the time it's passive
aggressive crab. Like even Cody doesn't know how to communicate,
and he talks about that in therapy. He's like, Yeah,
I struggle with communication. I need to improve on that.
So I kind of feel for Mary a little bit

(17:49):
in this episode of like being somebody who is prone
to wanting to tell the truth but like can't seem
to ever get it out in a way where somebody
isn't offended. And then she has all of these relationship
ships and personalities that she has to contend with, like
maybe she says something in a way that offends Janelle
but is receptive to Christine like vice versa, and then
dealing with Cody on top of that. So I don't know,

(18:11):
there's like too many personalities at play here. It was
interesting that in the personality test we only got to
hear Mary's results, right, would have loved to hear everybody
else's from me as well? Yeah, that would have been
very interesting. Yes, But before we get to the results
of that and the rest of the therapy, we have
this like one little section with Leon and talking about

(18:31):
college because they really want to go to Westminster. So
Dream College and U and LV is not an option
for that. Only Westminster, which is like a super expensive
schools out of state the family's broke af and can't
really afford to send Leon to Westminster. But Leon got
a couple of scholarships, so they're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
For only like ten dollars a year. And I think
as of twenty twenty four, according to Nikki Haverstock, one
year at Westminster was like fifty thousand dollars a year,
which is crazy. For four years, you're talking two hundred
thousand dollars. I don't know if they continued to get
scholarships or how that's going to work out. I do

(19:13):
know that here in season nineteen, we have Mary saying
that it was actually her that ends up paying for
Leon's tuition, and it sounds like Mary pays the totality
of that tuition, so it doesn't seem like the family
comes out of their pocket at all for Leon, which
was very interesting. And when Mary is talking to Cody

(19:33):
and Leon is off at the side, Mary says a
couple of very interesting things. First and foremost, it's like, well, Cody,
you're not around like Leon and I have been trying
to workshop this. We've been looking for scholarships, we've been
talking about loans, but you're never here, So you are
you haven't been privy to these conversations, so you don't
know what's possible because we don't ever see you. That

(19:54):
was the first thing that I thought was really very interesting.
The second thing was Mary says that she doesn't even
know how much the family is paying for a Logan
to go to UNLV. Yeah, like they haven't actually sat
down at that big Mormon conference table where they have
their sister wives my sister wife's closet design discussions. They

(20:16):
haven't actually sat down at that table to talk about
how much they're going to have to put towards Logan's
four year college education. And we also have asked been
coming up going to school. We have mchelthe talking about
going to design school. Yeah, but a lot of these
kids going off to college, and y'all haven't sat down
and had the conversation. But how much the family is

(20:37):
going to be contributing. That was just so strange to me.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
That was so bizarre, and I'm just like, Mary, why
don't you figure it out? Like you can literally go
talk to Janelle who's the family accountant, and you can
look at what is being allocated for Logan's college and
like how that's going about. But like, no, nobody talks
to each other, nobody communicates anything. And even Mary is
having these conversations with out Cody there talking to Leon

(21:02):
and saying, yeah, I really want you to go to Westminster.
So she's not really getting approval or any kind of
input from Cody, which I can only imagine makes him
feel like he's not really a part of their family.
And granted, like that's also on Cody too, I'm not
copying for him. It's just interesting how you're already seeing
this breakdown in communication and breakdown in family dynamics where

(21:24):
like Cody's just not involved, and like Cody is trying
to have a realistic conversation with Mary and Leon being like, yeah,
I don't know if having a second job through school,
Leon is going to be a realistic thing for you,
because you need to study. You're going to school for
pre medicine, and like it's also not going to make
a dent in this fifty thousand dollars a year tuition

(21:44):
and with your loans and everything, like, I just don't
think it's going to be enough. And you know, our
finances are tight because we just spend all of this
money on this cul de sac and all of this crap, like,
I don't think we can really afford this is basically
what he's trying to say. And Mary's like, well, so
I want to do everything that we can to get
Leon to go to Westminster.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yes, And Leon's like, well, this is my only option,
and I'm not compromising at all.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
So spoiled, very very very so fucking spoiled.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I was resenting that quite a bit. And I could
actually have like some sympathy for Cody's position here. And
I don't want to take out a bunch of loans,
you know, for one hundred and twenty or one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars for your four year education at
the time in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen or whatever it was,
because I want to have a retirement. I've got seventeen
other kids that I've got to support. It's not just

(22:32):
about you. But of course, the way that Mary has
raised Leon, it's like Leon does not have an expectation
that they cannot get exactly what it is that they
want exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
And that's what's so crazy, because in such a giant
family you have Leon who's so spoiled, in my opinion,
like such a spoiled little brat, Like they get literally
whatever they want all the time, and it's because Mary
allows that. Like when I was growing up, I had
three sisters and two of them were older than me,
and so they got the best things first, and I

(23:03):
got the scraps basically. But like one of my oldest
stepsisters got to go to college, got to study abroad
and friends of all places, and so my stepdad ended
up having to take all of these loans out and
he was kind of bitter about that because my sis
sister flunked in France and so having an extra year,
so a lot of student loans because of my stepsister,

(23:27):
So she kind of ruined it for the rest of us.
So when I got to college age, I'm like, I
want to go study abroad, and like I was a
good student, I would have aiced it, but I'm like,
I want to go study in Greece or something. And
my stepdad was like, no, You're going to go to
community college. And you know, granted, I'm thankful for that
because I have no student loans, Like a community college
was so affordable. I have my associate's degree and no debt,

(23:50):
thank god, and it's great. So I'm very happy about that,
But that was the conversation that we had because my
stepsister already took out of those loans and made all
those mistakes. So like the fact that Leon gets to
go to Westminster after the family is like totally tight
with money, and like Mary ends up taking out all
of that debt on herself. I wonder if she still
has those student loans or if she was able to

(24:12):
pay any of them off. But if she's still paying
off the loans for Leon and Leon doesn't have to
take any of that, I'm just like, wow.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And was Leon ever pre med?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Because oh, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
They're speaking about it like it now in season six
that they're going to be pre med. But I think
Leon ends up like as a LCSW.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think so social work.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I think that's what's I don't know, how are you
going to be able to pay back two hundred thousand
dollars in university loans as a social worker? But like
they probably don't have to worry about it when they've
got Mary exactly, the mother that's doing the lu lauau
making all this money. That's probably why Mary got into
like multiple MLMs, the way that she did, because she's

(24:54):
got a fun leon, she's got her budget. But Cody
was really quick to tell her to come out of
that budget and pay for all of this yourself, which
is crazy. Yeah, I'm like, I really really wish there
was some transparency at this time in the process, so
we would know how much Logan is receiving from the
family LLC and how much Janelle is actually taking out

(25:16):
of her grocery fund so she can send Logan off
to school and then Maddie and how this all works.
But we don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
No, we'll never know.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
And I'm shocked that Mary doesn't know either. I know,
that's wild to me, and she has no idea how
much Logan is receiving from the family.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I'm like, you were in your forties, you should be
aware of like what's happening. But because of the way
they like structure their family and how the women are
all independent, which is great, like nobody really shares their
own financial situation with each other, but then you have
the family pot like it's so messy. Yes, it's so awful.
And then at the end of this conversation, Cody gets

(25:51):
up and leaves, doesn't hug Mary, doesn't hugly On doesn't
even say I love you.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
He's like, Okay, I gotta go by kind of slams
the door.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think he's frustrated. He has been kept out of
a lot of these discussions, but at the same time,
he hasn't made the effort to come on over and
have those discussions. So now you really don't have any power, Cody,
to tell these two people what they need to do
in order to send le On to college. So just
get on.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Like if you back to Robinson, Yeah, if you were
more present, then you would not be upset, but you're
not privy to any of the conversations because you're at Robins. Right.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's great exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And then we have Cody very excited but also very
nervous to give out his beautiful jewelry designs that he
made for each one.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
My god, I can't wait to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
God, it was so cringe.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It wants to give them out before they actually make
their track to Sedona and dig deep into the marriage counseling.
So he wants to give his wives these gifts that
he loosely designed, but then somebody else had to do
the rest of the design and actually create and manufacture
this for him. So he takes these gift bags over
and we go through the presentation process. Mary gets her

(27:03):
necklace first, of course, the Fidelis necklace, which was going
to be a dog. Apparently it was going to be
a golden retriever. That's what Cody's original idea was.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, she seems to like it. Yeah, everyone seems to
like it.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Then we get Janelle and her tree, her bumb ass tree,
but she loves it, she seems to respond to it.
And then we get the ft up Phoenix for Robin.
It is so ugly, it's so bad, it's truly the worst,
and she loves it, fake loves it. And then we
get to Christine.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh my god, she couldn't even fake it. She's like, yeah,
it's nice.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
She had a hook face, as we say in Hawaii.
She couldn't even put a smile on her face. She
was not grateful, she was not nice about it. It
was really immature and very rude. I mean, my husband,
I've been with him for many, many years. He has
gotten me a ton of gifts like that first Christmas
we talked about, honey, where all he got me were

(28:04):
Tibetan singing balls, and I had like seven presents under
the tree. They were all singing bulls attuned to the
chakra system. And I'm just like, Okay, that's great and all.
But it was it my favorite gift? No, absolutely not.
But was I grateful? Sure, yes it was. Oh by
the seventh.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
One, yes, I kind of upset.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
This isn't another singing bowl, is it?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And that was all? You got it all?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
And when I tell you, I went to town on
their Christmas, oh my god, and his in particular. I
got him an Xbox one. I got him like a
couple of really nice guns. I got him other electronics.
I got him like a crossbow and a flamethrower. Like
when I tell you, I got this man everything he
could have dreamed of and more. And I just sat

(28:48):
there with my singing bowls. But I at least had
the decency to put a smile on my face. It
was our first Christmas together. He didn't know how to
be with the person really, yeah, and so he had
a lot to learn. But I was nice about it. Yeah,
Christine couldn't even smile. I felt she was so rude.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Totally I agree, and like, at the same time, I
also understand why she didn't like it because it was
so ugly. It was us were awful, But like, I
think this was a reaction to like their marriage. Like
I think she looked at this necklace and was like, Wow,
this man doesn't even know me, Like everybody else maybe
had things that were like symbolic of their love and stuff,

(29:31):
like even Robin's, like Cody describes it to her on
the couch, like, yeah, it's about a song that we
both like, and it's about phoenix rising and now you're
like this beautiful goddess out of the flames of your deporce.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Literally, like all this stuff, and then Christine's is just
a pixie on a heart with some etching. Like I
get why she would hate it, but at the same time,
her reaction was totally immature, especially in front of all
the other ladies. Like Robin's necklace was objectively the ugliest.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Absolutely it was absolutely one one hundred percento.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I mean, it doesn't even look like a phoenix. But
even she was like, oh my god, I love it. Beautiful,
Like she faked it in front of all the other wives,
like Christine could have done that.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think Christine's issue with the necklace was the etched
side of it, which she does say, but also it
represents the dark side of the moon. It represents the
shadow aspect of this pixie being that Cody sees.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Her to be.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And even when he was designing it and talking about
it with the manufacturers, he's like, well, but she's a
fairy that can bite. Yeah, she will maul you, she
will nip at you, And so I want to actually
reflect that as well in this design. And so I
think maybe her actual issue was with the shadow, with
the darkness within herself. She didn't really want that to

(30:49):
be reflected in his design, but it was. But she
could have found a more mature way to discuss that
totally just pouting in front of the other women. It
was just a really redicu to me.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I know, I'm like, you could talk about that privately
in your five hours that you get to have with
later in the week instead of doing it on camera
in front of everybody else. It was so awkward, Like
I could feel the tension and the awkwardness on my
TV from back in that time, Like it was so bad.
But I also loved it.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, it was great though.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It was fantastic and it was so good to see
Cody like flounder and be like, no, it's okay. I
still love you, and I'll just continue to create necklaces
for you until.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
We've land on the one that you really love, which
he never does again. He's never going to try this again.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is oh oh, totally. It was delicious. And then we
have the old counselor Pat coming over, like before the
Browns go to their Sedona marriage retreat. I guess Pat
is gonna accompany it, accompany them to Sedona because she
wants to help.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Nancy miss Polygamus before.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, but whatever, Pat comes over and acts like she's
a part of the family. She's like talking to each
of the wives, gives them all hugs.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
What an odd duck she is, I know, a bit
of an odd duck.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, but she seems to like the Browns. She's given
me lesbian vibes a little bit too.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Little, just a little. She has a big old rock
on her finger, and I'm sure she's in a big
old Mormon marriage. But I'm just wondering about that.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I wonder if she's married to another pet or something.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
No, I bet she's not. I bet it's a repressed
my vibe in my dream. I feel bad that I
don't get out there.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I know. Anyway, she comes over. She kind of talks
about how she's been the family therapist for the last
five years. She talks about how the Browns are a
little dysfunctional sometimes still little, but they're overall great, they
love each other. And then Mary talks about how she's
still trying to figure out who she is, and I'm
just like, oh my god, Like even back in twenty twelve,

(32:53):
twenty thirteen, like you're still figuring out, Like how long
is it gonna take? You're talking about that now in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Well, but I feel like this is such a critical
moment in time for Mary because Leanna is about to
leave the roost. She's going to be an empty nester.
She had her ring melted down hood. Yeah, she's alone
in that big old mansion in the cold to sag.
Nobody comes to call, and nobody cares about her, and

(33:20):
so she's trying to figure out her position in her
place in the family. And I also just got the
impression that she felt like an emotional connection with Pat.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, lesbis getting sorry.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Now that you say it, though perfect She had a crush,
But I feel like maybe Pat helped Mary and Cody
in particular get through some very rough thing to melting. Yeah,
reached some important resolutions. But like, yeah, I do think
it's valid that Mary's going through a lot right now,
and she's probably going to this retreat wondering like, well,

(33:56):
how do I fit in? Like what's it going to be?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, it's just like annoying to me that it's taken
so long, because she's still talking about that in twenty
twenty five with her walls up.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
But they just want to offer to you that there
are a lot of people in their forties and fifties
who still don't know what the f they are doing.
They are still trying to recreate and reinvent their life.
They don't know what the next chapter is going to
look like. It's not like you graduate into your thirties
and have you figured it out. I just want to
just warn you, I know that is not going to happen.
So like, there's a lot of us out here who

(34:27):
are of like a higher age but still don't really
know what the heck we are doing. So I just
feel for Mary a little bit. I feel like how
insecure she must feel. Yeah, and vulnerable she must feel
because she desperately loves Cody. I don't know why, but
she does, and she wants to be a part of
the family. She just doesn't know how to make that
work well.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And I totally get it. It's I think from my perspective,
it's just frustrating to see Mary like struggling so long,
for so long, for so many years in this family
unit that like doesn't want her, like Cody doesn't want her.
It's just it's like it's not so much like a
frustration with Mary per se. It's like a frustration of
like I just want to shake her and like get
her out of there, and like, oh my God, worthy

(35:09):
up already. Yeah, Like that's what's so frustrating. And I
know I say this all the time, and I'm not
trying to be super critical on Mary.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
It's just a she is pathetic. Yes, you use that
word before, and I think you're quite accurate, Like it
is pretty pathetic. But at the same time, when you
add in all of like the religious parts, yeah, and
the actual true love first love parts, yeah, like colab
and they got a whole planet and everything, there's like
a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Is a lot for Mary and the repressed homosexuality.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
And oh god, I didn't say that. Yeah, my god,
we love that though, But did you sidebar, what did
you see the picture of Mary that she released. She
was on like some red carpet, so skinny, very very slender. Yes,
that's what a good divorce will do for you, heady,
it will catapult you into a new sexy era. Now,

(36:00):
her hair, I'm not going to go there because that's
just rude. I'm just gonna let her have this moment
in the sun. But she looks wonderful. Yeah, she seems
to be doing great.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
She seems to be doing really awesome. Yes, with that
Alice from Twilight haircut, you know what I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yes, exactly, that's what it is. But you know what,
God bless Yes, I mean we were into the choppy
layers back in the aughts. She's still into tens. But
I mean, hey, it works for her, sure, and let's
leave it right there. Yeah, moved on.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
And after Pat comes over and talks to the family,
then we head over to Sedona, Arizona. We stop at Sparroquest.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah have you been there?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh, okay, like a New Age crystal shop totally. I
mean there's a bill there.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Wow. Yeah, Okay, there's so many of those shops in
Sedona it's crazy, but I've been to several of them
that they went and visited. But they stopped at Spirit Quest.
They meet some hippie couple. They go and do a
medic in the Red Rocks, which looks very lovely.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
It does, but it is also ruined by Cody and Robin,
who get fixated on the ants.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I'm just like, Okay, let the poor man teach you
how to meditate.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh mg, It's like not a big deal. But they're
freaking out over the ants, crawling over on their legs
and stuff. But Janelle and Christine seem to really like
the meditation. Yes, they really enjoyed it. And then after
that we go back to Nancy and we have the
personality test results. Yes, which was very interesting. We have
Mary who is an eight. So I think they did

(37:34):
like an anagram or something. Yes, And so aight is
the reformer the truth teller And this is where Nancy
calls Mary out for maybe being a little too brutal
sometimes with telling the truth and maybe her She's like
overwhelmed with the feeling of needing to tell the truth,
but it tends to repress it for the sake of

(37:55):
everybody else. And this is where Mary actually gets emotional
and cries a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Because I think she's victimizing herself because she feels like
she cannot speak openly in the way that she wants to.
But I think the real gag is that Mary, you
were probably really abusive in your communication for a very
long time, and that nobody taught you in your childhood
how to be kind in your communication and be appropriate
in your communication. And so you came into this marriage,

(38:20):
and you came into the subsequent marriages with Janelle in particular,
but also Christine being this kind of wild card abusive,
say whatever's on your mind, and you really alienated people
out here. And so you're in the process right now
here in twenty fourteen or whenever. This is of trying
to figure out how to moderate and regulate your speech
so you can say the thing you want to say

(38:41):
without hurting somebody's feelings. And you don't necessarily know.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
How to do that.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
But that doesn't make you a victim. It makes you
somebody who was probably a verbal abuser, and she's trying
to shift and change that. But it doesn't make you
a victim. That's just all I want to say. That's
my personal intuition on it. Dang, that's how I feel
about that.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I mean, that's all fair. I'm just like thinking of
it too. From the perspective, she was in her twenties,
and so she probably said some stupid crap. And when
you're in your twenties and your thirties and even in
your forties, probably you end up a little emotionally. I'm regulated,
and you say some really stupid stuff. You say it
in the worst ways possible because you don't know how
to communicate and you don't know how to regulate your crap,

(39:20):
and like then you have the fundamentalist religion and all
of that shit. So like, I understand why she's getting emotional.
I don't think she was like trying to victimize herself,
but I understand why she was getting emotional because she
probably has repressed herself so much now. I mean, she's
doing it now, even in twenty twenty five, where she
can't actually say the things anymore, Like she can't just

(39:40):
be like real. Her walls are way up and they're
never coming down, right, So I can see how it
would be emotional to want to say the things and
then feel like you can't. But also I'm like, get
some intensive therapy though, and like learn how to communicate.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Not just Christian therapy or examine therapy. You need to
continue with an actual licensed therapist to learn how to
do this. And I'm just wondering personally what kind of
potential trauma she might have experienced in her childhood, because
she just strikes me as somebody who probably went through
a lot totally.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, And I'm like wondering where she learned her communication style,
Like did was she talk to like that?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
From somebody was screaming in her household exactly?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
And so that's all she learned, but then never learned
the right way to talk to people and like the
right way to express herself. So she's just repressing it
and burying it down and that's why she ends up
sucking on a banana later and her bathtime.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yes, you know, can we go uncensored for a second?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Okay, So back from uncensored, Like, I have a lot
of compassion for Mary here because she just doesn't know
how to land in a spot that works for her, Like,
she has a lot to say in this moment, but
she's scared to say it because she has demonstrated previously
that she doesn't know how to moderate herself. But at
the same time, she can see what's going on exactly,

(41:01):
and she knows what's happening in her own relationship with
Cody and with these other women, and they're so much
there and that's why she cries. Yeah, that's why she
walls up because she doesn't know what.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
To do with it exactly, because she knows that if
she says anything, it might be the wrong way and
then she'll hurt somebody and then it makes a bigger
hole for herself and everybody else. And so like I
honestly felt for Mary in this episode because of that,
Like when she was told that she was the truth teller,
I'm like, dang, that's crazy, because she is so stuck

(41:29):
in the shadow of it because she doesn't really tell
the truth even now in twenty five, Like she can't.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Just be She's trying, though, can you see that she's
trying in her weird way, She's religiously repressed, but she's
trying to worthy up, like she's creating these symbols of
what she wants to achieve, and she is projecting herself
as having already achieved that, but she's really in the
process of doing so, Like, I feel like that's what

(41:55):
she wants and that's where I can get my compassion
for her. And let me just say, by the way,
that uncensored section that we just went through, which is
very personal, if you want to have access to anything
that we say that's uncensored, all you have to do
is go to patreon dot com, slash reality TV cringe.
That's for the vip raccoons. Yep, just FYI. But anyway,

(42:17):
I feel like she's on this journey of that. Yeah,
and she's trying to say I'm already there though, so
I can take you with me, which is very MLM
of her. Right, She's not there though, Well.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And maybe she'll be one of those women that like
will start not giving a crap like the older that
she gets because you know how you talk to some
older women, like in their seventies who are like, I
don't give a shit anymore, right, and they just say
whatever they want and do whatever they want. So I
hope she gets to that point and she probably will.
It's just taking a really long time, and because of

(42:48):
all of those factors, because maybe her trauma as a
kid and growing up in polygamy and then being married
to a literal demon Cody Brown for thirty thousand years.
Like she'll get there. I hope she does. It's hard
to see her go through these parts though, Like it's
hard to see her in season six where she's going
through this therapy session and she's like crying but doesn't

(43:09):
know how to fully express it, doesn't know how to
actually say what she's feeling. And then she's having it
all filmed, right, got that layer of like not really
wanting to be personal because you're on camera, like it's.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well and in traditional therapy, like with a monogamous you'd
be there with your husband or your wife and it
would just be you and that person working out your drama.
But she doesn't really even get to have the spotlight
here because and we see Cody just kind of immediately
dismiss her position and immediately dismissed like her traits and

(43:43):
her quirks and talk about like how he's in this
terrible position because he's got to try and attend to
all of his wives and figure out how to have
empathy for all to be patient women, and like, she
can't even have this moment to be who she is
uniquely and have it be witnessed and acknowledged by her
husband because he doesn't care about her anymore. And that's
what I think her body is trying to tell her

(44:04):
honest sight, Her body and her spirit is trying to
tell her that Cody doesn't love you anymore. But she
cannot let go for all of these other extraneous reasons.
And that's what makes this sad. It also makes it
sad for Christine, which we don't really talk about. It
makes it sad for Janelle. Now Janelle's a different animal, though.
Janelle's like because the counselor kind of steers it away

(44:26):
from Cody after somewhat calling him out correcting him. Because again,
as soon as Mary says this about herself and how
it feels to be a truth teller and like to
be in this weird position where she's afraid that she's
going to hurt people's feelings by telling the truth, Cody
immediately dismisses her and says, well, yeah, like for me,
it's really hard because all these women have their different
problems and I've got to figure out how to manage

(44:48):
that and be empathetic. The counselor kind of corrects her,
corrects him, Yep, I'm sorry, corrects him, and then Robin
sweeps in to protect him and says that the until
are correcting. Cody's dismissal of Mary was aggressive. Yeah. Janelle
on the couch says, I don't think it was aggressive.
I think it was assertive, and that's what we paid

(45:08):
for her to do, coming up here to Sedona to
be our therapist. And so then the counselor at that
point sort of pivots the conversation to the women, yes,
and like where are you with each other? Because Cody's
trying to constantly put out there that I don't want
to be responsible for these women and their relationships. They

(45:29):
have to be responsible for that. And Robin says something like, yeah,
we're lazy, like we don't really spend time with each other.
We're like not really managing these relationships. And then we
go to Janelle and Janelle's like, yeah, I'm okay, though, Yeah,
I'm fine, fine to be separate from everybody else. I've
got my own stuff going on. And I'm obviously committed.

(45:50):
I'm here, I'm in the family, but like, I don't
really need these women to do anything for me, which
is funny because last week we thought she was going
to be talking about my sister wife's closet and that
she wanted to separate from that. She's literally talking about
the other women. Oh yeah, like, I don't need you,
I don't want you. I'm fine right over here where
I am.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And I love that. And I thought that was totally
a response to what Robin was saying, because before that,
when Robin was saying that they're lazy with each other,
she also said that they're all more focused on their
relationships with Cody than they are with each other, and
that they're just cordial with each other, especially at family events, right,
they just try to be cordial and nice, which was

(46:29):
very interesting that she's calling this out and calling this
dynamic out because the other wives, like even in this episode,
you can see they're focused on the family, and they're
focused on the family unit, and Robin talks about how no,
they're actually just focused on their relationships with Cody, which
means Robin's only focus her relationship with Cody. She doesn't
care about her relationships with other women, So it's interesting

(46:52):
that she's planting that seed, but Cody is quick to
blame the women for not being connected to each other.
Very very interesting. And then after that very hard, very aggressive,
very unsafe conversation with Nancy, everybody goes and takes a
walk because Cody needs a break from therapy because he

(47:13):
literally says he has to do all the emotional lifting
in this way.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I couldn't believe he said that with his mouth and
his words. I know It's like, I'm the one that
has to do the emotional heavy lifting in this family.
I'm constantly having to do this work. And I'm like,
what are you? Totally what are you talking about? Like
they won't even film your individual therapy session with Nancy
in your hotel room, but they will with Christine and
Mary channel because your shit's in Robin's room and Robin

(47:38):
is also outside when they're interviewing her for individual therapy.
Because you're always with Robin, What's like, emotional heavy lifting
are you actually do? But he believes it.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
He does.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
He literally believes this about himself, that he's doing all
of the hard work. And this is what is embittering
him over the years towards these other women when in actuality,
he's really not He's not doing and I'm wondering if
it Robin on the side going, oh my god, they
expect you to do this?

Speaker 2 (48:03):
I think so, they expect you.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
To manage their relationships so that they can get along.
Why should you have to do this? You really, I
shouldn't have to do it because he's dub.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
He is so dumb, and he's hypnotized by the goddess
that is Robin Broquet. It's so ridiculous. And then it's
the next day and they had other plans to involve
all of the women and Cody. You got to talk
about this, but Robin is sick, she's nauseous, and so
she's staying back in her hotel room, right, which I

(48:35):
think either she's prego and not say anything, or she's
faking it because she doesn't want to be dealing with
therapy with all of these other women and Cody. But
Cody has to because it's the show, right and he
has to be with all the other wives, and so
he does this activity with them, and Robin gets to
stay back in her hotel room.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Which I just think is really indicative of how she
has perceived herself in this family, on on this show,
this entire time, because I don't think she feels like
she has to show her like exactly. She doesn't have
to show her room, yep, didn't have to show her house.
She doesn't have to show anything. And so if I
don't want to be there, I don't have to go there.
But I'm still going to be collecting these pretty checks.
I don't think she's pregnant with Ariela at this probably not.

(49:17):
I think that comes later because I think Solomon's only
like one or one and so, Yeah, but I think
she's just calling off because she doesn't want to do it.
And I don't think she likes therapy, and I don't
think she likes to hear Mary and Janelle and Christine
talk about their relationships with Cody. I don't think she
can handle it.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I don't think so either. I thought it was so interesting, yeah,
like it's a marriage retreat, it's therapy, and you can't
even show up. You're sitting in your hotel room with
room service waiting for Cody.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I really wish I knew what her moon sign was,
I know, and what her rising was.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Because she's Libra, right, Liba's son.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So Libra is so chill and awesome. Typically if they're
in balance, like there's, they're typically like really wonderful people.
But the shadow, but the shadow, and also oh whatever
your moon is and you're rising. I wish I knew,
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
God, just to have her birth chart would be so great.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Some Gemini and there there's some saws goblin action going
on in her replacements.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes, or water?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, repressed water, so much repressed water. Maybe
too some fire. I don't know, girls, I don't know.
Soun's wrong with Sound's wrong with that woman?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Something is wrong. But on day two they go meet
some guy Joseph Joseph white Wolf.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Okay, Joseph white Wolf, white guy, Joseph, white guy, Joseph
white guy with the grasshopper.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
With the grasshopper tell him to face their fears.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Right, because when the grasshopper hops away from you, it
spins in the air and it lands in a position
where it's facing you, meaning you have to face your fears.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
So profound Joseph White.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Tody's talking about how he really has a lot of
latitude and grace for people who have weird beliefs because
he comes from the weirdest belief of them all, which
is Mormonism.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
And I agree at least he's aware of that part, yes,
But it's interesting how he's calling his religion weird even
in season six, because he's so quick to defend it,
even just last week's episode in front of all the
other people.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Don't the Mormons believe that Jesus visited America and that
there were packaderms in America.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Allegedly, were there Pacas allegedly? They believe the Garden of
Eden is in Missouri, which.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Makes sense Kansas City, Mislourian, Yeah, exactly. So it has
a weird religion, but then all religions are weird, of course.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we have Pat leaving the retreat.
She's got to go back to Utah, and Mary and
Cody cry about it on the couch because she's made
such an impact on them. I think it's because Mary's
in love with Sorry don't.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I don't think so, But I do think they regard
it as an end of an era, yeah, because they
received maybe intensive Mormon therapy from Pat for a series
of time, and now she's gone and they're stuck with Nancy.
It's just Nancy from here on out.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Right, Yeah, which Cody doesn't like because Nancy calls out
their crap and calls out his crap specifically. And then
we have the individual counseling sessions with everybody. We start
with Janelle, who's telling Nancy that she is committed to
the family, but she's also changed as a person.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Hi, I mean, that's what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
And she's also looking fab in Sodona can I just
looks great. She's look pretty fantastic.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
There are sometimes when the light catches her face and
her eyes kind of light up. I'm like, you are ethereal, Yes,
you are goddess energy and vibes.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And this is where I can see where maybe Cody really.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Lis Vegas renaissance is sexual renaissance.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
He's been banging her back out.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
She also says that she's not into this whole mission
statement thing because it's just drama. Where's drama though?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I know why? I mean, I know it's drama.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I know it's like tedious because Christine's in charge and
she can't keep it together and you got all the
kids trying to figure out what the mission statement is,
but where's the drama in the mission statement? That's what
I wondered.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Maybe with Robin. I don't know, Like I don't know.
I can't imagine she's calling Christine out for drama, but
maybe she is. Maybe that's aside, like a little shade
there to Christine, like, oh my god, why do we
have to do this mission statement? It's stupid?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And I agree, I mean, yeah, I am Janelle in
this moment, like why do we have to We just
got into our house, Like, let me nest a little bit.
I don't want to do your dumb project, Christine. I
don't care about drama.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
She also talks about how she doesn't relate to Mary
and Robin and how she's still kind of trying to
work out her relationship with Mary, which is interesting because
they don't actually work anything else.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Subtext, it's like the big issue here. I think this
is why Mary is crying. I think this is why
Mary is afraid to speak her whole drama. I think
this is why Janelle's said operated on the cow coach,
and it's fine to do so because there's something that
is continuing to brew between these two women, specifically totally.
And then Christine just agitates it oh to.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
One percent with that Ari's energy. Oh my god. She
sides with Janelle too, totally, Yeah, yeah, totally, And Janelle
was probably the one brunt of Mary's BS communication. So yeah.
And then we have Mary who talks about how she
struggles with communication and struggles with trusting that the wives

(54:31):
actually want to work things out with her.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Can we just drill down into that because that was
a very obscure and interesting comment. She's like, well, I
want to show up and I want to work on this,
but I'm just not trusting that the other women actually
really want.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
To do that. And like who is she talking about?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
What is she really saying here? Like right, like is
this real?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I know?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I like here doing therapy because we really want to
go somewhere with this, because I don't want to be
vulnerable in this moment if all you're doing is performing
everybody else That's what I got.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Mmmm. So like she's talking about everybody, yes, not just
like one or two wives. Yes. And she's also referring
to Robin.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I think she also might be referring to Cody, like Cody,
are you serious about you? And I like, are you
serious about our relationship, and like, I don't know if
I want to really lay it all out there, show
all of these parts of myself. If what you're really
doing is collecting a check from DLC.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Maybe that is what she's really saying, because yeah, I mean,
this is all on camera, and like Cody and Robin
don't seem into it at all. They don't even seem to.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Like Nancy Sacy resistant to it, yep.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
And so I don't know if they follow up with Nancy.
And like maybe Mary is also saying she wants to
continue in therapy, but like it's not in the family budget,
not in the family priority, and like she maybe she
wants to do therapy with Cody, but he is so
resistant to it. So maybe that's what she's saying. That's
an interesting theory. And then we have Cody out on

(55:57):
the patio of Robin's hotel room isact talking to Nancy
about how he's concerned that the wives don't want to
work out anything with each other and that he hopes
the mission statement will be some sort of pathway to recommitment.
And this is kind of like the opening of the recommitment.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
What are you say words I care about it? I
don't care about any of these You're saying, dummy, And this.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Is like a narc trying to do therapy where it's
all surface levels exactly, and that's why you can't therapize
an art exactly.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
They're not really showing up authentically in the moment.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
And then we have Robin on the patio of her
hotel room when Cody in the other room talking to
Nancy and Nancy I'm dressed.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah yeah, Lay and pat set love her, probably not
love Victoria's secret for sure, Victoria's secret. Yeah, just waiting
for this to wrap up. Bring your doodle. I'm ready
to get I'm pegged in doora baby, yeah, god, em

(57:01):
I apologize.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Well. Nancy asks Robin some kind of question of like, well,
what do you want, like what do you want out
of therapy? Sure, and Robin comes up with this really
weird answer where she talks about, well, I've lived monogamy
before I chose to live polygamy, and I just like
worry that we're going to disconnect from each other, even
in the cul de sac. And that's like my biggest fur,

(57:25):
that we're going to discd from each other, which I'm
just like, that is not what I signed up for. Yeah, okay,
but that's exactly what ends up happening, right.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
And I wondered in this moment if she meant it,
because I kind of felt like she did. It's like
she's of two minds, like a typical libro. Okay, Yeah,
It's like she is wanting this idea of what it
would look like to have this big family and be
an integrated part of the fabric of this family. But
at the same time, she wants this man all for

(57:58):
herself exactly, and she wants this man all for her
kids and her kids alone, like she does not know
how to deal with that.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
See, And I felt like she was saying this just
for the cameras because she wants the audience, especially at
this time, to think that she cares about the family.
She cares about these wives that she just called lazy
just a few minutes ago and said that she is
just cordial with them because her actual priority is Cody.
But now she's saying to the camera and everybody else, like,

(58:27):
I'm worried now we're going to disconnect as a family.
That's like my biggest fear. It's not though, because you
are prioritizing your relationship with Cody, and you are allowing
him to use all of his time at your house
and not be with the other wives because you secretly
love that. You love the fact that he is prioritizing

(58:49):
you and not any of the other women. So that's
why I'm like, that's totally of the two minds thing,
like she wants.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Every dy the idea of it, but she does not
want to work for it at all, and she does
not want to share, and it is showing up right now.
I think it has started to truly show up in
Vegas during the rentals, where Cody has started to prefer
her and spend more time with her. There was that
weird little comment she made a couple of episodes ago,

(59:16):
or like, well, when we're in our Call to Sad,
we can look at our window and we can see
what's going on and exactly where Cody is. And she's
really telling on herself there, like they can see me
and how much time I'm spending with Cody because she is.
So it's already beginning, and that's why I think we
have Mary in tears. That's why I think we have

(59:37):
Janelle detaching and just like I don't give a shit
act whatever and whatever. Just pay me my money. I'm
in my big mansion. It's fine, exactly. And that's why
we have Christine like not really knowing where she fits
in the family as well, because I think at this
point Christine does want to be close to Cody. Of course,
she does want to still have that kind of relationship,
but she can desperately feel how she is losing her

(59:58):
fitting is supplanting all of the wives and their relationships.
Like she can see it and she knows it, but
she can't say it, at least not on camera, not
for the show exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And Christine is so focused on this mission statement because
I think she wants to communicate to Cody like, no,
I do care about the family, and I care about
my relationships with the sister wives, and I want this
to work because, like I say in the title screen,
I didn't want just the man. I wanted the family
and I care about this. So she's like trying to
communicate that to Cody, because Cody is saying that to

(01:00:30):
the therapist and saying that to the other wives, like
I want you guys to be focused on the family.
I want you to be focused on each other. I
can't be the common denominator. Christine is communicating that, and
she is doing that, but it's proving to be not enough.
That's not enough because she doesn't got that breakdance and punami.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Nope, she ain't wearing the Diesel jeans hot No, she
hate And.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Then we get to the most interesting part of the
episode for me in my opinion, Yes, the part where
they're in the circle together and Nancy wants them all
to position themselves and how they relate to their closeness
to Cody or like, how they think that they are closest.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
It's not really clear, actually, because I rewounded a couple
of times. I'm like, are we trying to position ourselves
in the orbit around Cody or are we like positioning
ourselves around each other? Like what are we doing here?
It wasn't clear. But at the end of the day,
it ends up being that the women are positioning themselves
according to their perceived closeness to Cody. And we have

(01:01:28):
Robin right up next to him, holding his hand, holding
his hand, and then grabbing Mary's hand. Truly and literally,
the bridge between Mary and Cody was actually accurate. Yes,
it's accurate. She's like I'm the bridge between you and Cody,
because without me you would have nothing, bitch, And don't
ever forget it, Do not ever forget. And then Janelle's like,

(01:01:52):
I'm just gonna stand over here, though, yep, on the side,
I'm going to stand all the way over here. And
then Christine initially goes to stand by Janelle and she's like,
you know what, no, let me go stand behind Cody. Yeah,
and then she turns away from him, so they're back
to back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
What did you make of that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I mean that she feels like they're on two different
playing fields, like they're not even looking at each other.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
He's in the basement totally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
She is the least favorite. I mean, you even see
that kind of echoed at the very beginning when he
gives her the necklace, like she's the last one. He
gives it to Mary, to Janelle, then to Robin, and
then Christine's last, and she's the worst necklace.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You know what I mean, The phoenix is objectively the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
They're all bad. Yeah, but like you know, it's kind
of already being communicated passively that Christine's the least favorite.
Now he don't like her, and he's also surprised that
Christine feels so disconnected and far away from him. He's like, really,
that's how you feel as he's holding Robin's hand. It's crazy.

(01:02:56):
And Robin said something at the beginning like this isn't safe.
I don't know what this is safe for us to
do right now, because she knows, Like you have to know, Robin,
that you're the favorite. She knows. He probably tells you
that all the time. Now she knows, and now we
know that she knows exactly. So miss me with this
whole You're so clueless. You don't know how all the

(01:03:16):
other women feel, like, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And honestly, like, let's be real with the timeline, because
even though this is season six, it's only been like
two to three years since Robin's been with this family.
It has not been a long time. And in that time,
she has risen in the stratosphere to be the closest
wife to Cody, and all the other wives know this.
At least Janelle doesn't care that much. But I think

(01:03:39):
Mary cares. I think Christine cares yep, And I think
this is kind of the origin story of Mary and Robin,
because Mary needs Robin in order to have any standing
whatsoever with Cody. And it gets critical when the catfish happens,
because there's the redemption, there's the forgiveness, there's the staying
married part, which Robin facilitates to some degree. Like without Robin,

(01:04:04):
there is no Mary. Mary is gone, honey, yep, Mary's
moving on out of this family.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
And it's like so sad that Mary is kind of
accepting it, even in this moment, because I think Mary
was like at first confused of where she was going
to place herself in relation to Cody. And then Robin
is the one that's like, well, here, how about this.
I'll hold Cody's hand, you hold my hand? Does that
feel good? Like she literally asks Mary if that's okay?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
And can I just tell you how bad that would
feel if I'm the legal wife. I am the first wife.
I married this man at nineteen years old, and here
I stand at forty three years old, and I need
this little chippy to grab my hand and say, look,
I'll be the bridge between you. Like that would feel
so disempowering and disenfranchising to me, Like who the F
do you think you are? Lady? Straight up, this is

(01:04:49):
my life. This is my husband that I've had for
two three decades.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yep. Yeah, and because Mary is the truth teller, she's
feeling all of that but can't communicate it and can't
say it like Janelle and Christine are feeling it too,
because you have to be dumb to look at how
this is set up, and like, see how Robin is
holding Cody's hand, Like she's constantly touching him and constantly

(01:05:14):
pulling him to her side.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
The entire time during therapy she was sitting next to him.
She was right next to him the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yes, like it's obvious, and like after they position themselves
and how they feel towards Cody, then it changes to okay,
well how do you want to feel? Like where would
you like to be placed? And Robin doesn't move Mary.
I mean right, she's already the closest one. She's holding
his hands.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Well, there's a weird conversation that happens between Cody and
Mary here where Mary's like, well, but I'm different from
all of you, because Christine says something like, well, I
have a bond with Janelle because we both have kids
and they grew up with each other. And then Mary says, yeah,
but I'm different because I have Leon and Leon's leaving,
and so I'm in this weird position, and it was

(01:06:02):
a great opportunity in that moment for Mary to actually
share to the group how she feels yep, because she
doesn't know where she stands with everybody. But Cody kind
of sweeps in and says, well, but like it's your responsibility,
like you have these relationships with these women, and like
that's your thing. And she's like, well, I know, and
I do have relationships, and he's like, are they good?

(01:06:24):
Some of He's like, some of them are good. Yeah, Okay,
So what are you really saying here, Kray? I feel
like Cody's trying to shine the light on Mary's behavior,
right with maybe Janelle and maybe Christine. I don't it
can't be with Robin No, because Mary's friends with Robin yep.
So I'm wondering what Cody's trying to do in this moment,

(01:06:45):
why he can't just let Mary have this no, and
he's like trying to blame her for the destruction between
the relationships with the sister Wise, that's what I got,
and that's what was interesting because in season sixteen, seventeen
eight to ninety he's blaming Janelle and Christine for that
as well, so like he's blaming all three of them.
But in this moment in season six, it seems like

(01:07:07):
the spotline is mainly on Mary, like Mary's the problem.
I feel like Mary's the problem though, because like I
think in seasons fifteen sixteen, when they go to therapy
again and they're sitting down, it's after the catfish, it's
before COVID. He's like, but you lied to me though,
you told me you were somebody that you were not,
and we never learned what exactly that was about. And
we've learned now in season nineteen that he made a

(01:07:29):
list for her, like You've got to do all of
these things in order to gain back my good favor. Yeah,
Like there's something here that we're not actually talking about,
and in this moment, there's something that Cody's accusing Mary of. Yeah,
but do you have good relationships with them though, because
you don't write, and she's like, well, some of them
I do. I'm like, Okay, what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
There's probably a couple of things going on here, Like
maybe Mary is at fault for some of the destruction
of these relationships indeed, but like maybe she's also the
scapegoat right now with Cody, like because there's always a
golden and there's always a scapegoat, right and so maybe
Mary is kind of the scapegoat right now, and then
also Christine and Janelle become that too, and Robin's of

(01:08:12):
course the golden of course the golden, yes, because she's
the phoenix rise. Yeah, it was just really interesting and
so awkward, this whole like sculpture, moving sculpture thing. And
I just couldn't take my eyes off of Robin holding
Cody's hand the entire time. The other woman had to
have seen that and felt that and felt like wow,

(01:08:36):
like I can't even feel like I can hold his
hand right here. I don't even feel close to him.
And when they position themselves and how they want to
be in relation to Cody, Janelle wants to be right
in front of him, and then Christine is right next
to Janelle, right in front of him, but she's also
kind of like turned towards Robin in a way, like
almost kind of like she's trying to block Robin from Cody,

(01:08:58):
which was interesting, and Mary's still off on the sideline.
I don't know. It was just very interesting, very symbolic
and then they put their foreheads together because that's how
they want to be connected all And Cody doesn't want
to be the common denominator and I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Well he doesn't want to be in the center of
the circle, which is so weird. But you signed up
for exactly that though, Hello, Like, I know you don't
want to have to do this emotion emotional heavy lifting
that you say that you constantly do, which you actually
do not do. But that is like what you signed
up for. In a polygan's marriage, you are the anchor.
You are the roots to this entire family. Like and
if you didn't want that, you should not have done

(01:09:32):
this right, you cannot now abdicate your responsibility to all
these other women that don't even know where they really
stand with you because you are not clear. You're not
a good patriarch, You're not a good husband, You're not
a good father.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Oh, I was gonna say, I can understand where he
was saying, Like he wants the family to survive even
after he died. Yes, like I can understand he wants
the women to get along because they are the family.
They created the family, they have all the kids and
stuff like so they do have to kind of like
cohabitate and get along. But the thing is is that
Cody is at the root of that, because if they

(01:10:07):
all had a good relationship with Cody, they would be
all able to get along with each other. But because
it's all unequal, there's the jealousy and the insecurity and
all of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
And where's the money going, and how are we paying
Logan's college? And how are we going to pay for Leon?
Like nobody knows what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
And that's what's like missing in Cody's head is that
you are the common denominator dude, Like you do have
to have relationships with all the wives so they can
have good relationships with each other, but it's Cody Brown,
so it's never gonna He's never gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Was so good, like you could really see it so clear,
so everything that was dysfunctional and problematic in this relationship,
and it was also so wild to see how none
of them really could see that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, I was like, wow, Janelle, you're standing right in
front of Cody, right, this is where you want to
you want it right in front of Cody, But like wow,
and at the end, of the day like you never
were uh uh, and you walk away with almost nothing,
almost nothing, yep, for as strong as you are in
this moment with all of your opinions, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
And maybe that's why they had their renaissance because that
kept her at bay. Maybe she thought like she had
some kind of power or some kind of place in
the in the family for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
And I think she wanted it, Like I think there's
a valid part of her that really wants this. She
does in this moment season six, believe in it. Yeah,
but this is going to start to wane. Oh, she's
going to start to get really disillusioned with how everything
is working out. Honey. By the time we get to Flagstaff,
she's like, do so I choose my kids?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
F you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Buye Cody rightly so, which.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Is so great. It's nice to see at least Janelle's
r throughout it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
And we know that in good faith she was there.
It's not like she was just sticking there for like
the money or the cul de sac or whatever. Like,
in good faith was she there, But like Cody, you
blew it, Honey. I just want to stand ten toes
down in my statement that she's the one that got
away for COVID. Oh, I mean out of all of
the women, she is of the highest value in my opinion, agree,

(01:12:09):
like across the board, in every single way, high value woman.
And she walked away from she didn't even tell you
she was leaving, like, I'm just going, duddie, How do
need to tell you anything? Ooh, how that must have
caught him? Oh totally, so well done.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Janelle, Oh, totally yeah, yes, I loved it. And then
we have the last day in Sedona. We're at a rooftop. Yeah,
we're drawing on some chalk blocks, are we Yeah? Okay
about their family mission statement words. And they put it
all together and you see how Robin's like sew not
into it and off on the sideline because she doesn't

(01:12:43):
trust Nancy okay, because she's a monogamous all right, she
doesn't understand polygamy. And then they do their mission statement thing.
Christina is so happy because this is all she wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Why, I don't know who cares.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Janelle and Mary have like a little argument over the
arrangement of the blocks, right, and Janelle feels empowered because
she shared her opinion about the arrangement of the blocks
because that was such a big deal to her.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
But maybe it is a big deal for her to
stand up to marry. Mary wants it maybe symmetrical and
an actual cube, and Janelle's like, I don't give a
crap about that. It can be all chaotic and I
stand on that, and Mary's okay. God, maybe for Janelle
that was an empowering moment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Maybe hey, whatever. And then they take their photo with
all their feet in there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
And that's gross and it is gross.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I find that gross, Like we don't need to have
our feet no in this photo, but you know whatever.
And then they end the episode talking about how they're
going to have a recommitment ceremony with this mission statement,
which I think.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
They do well they do, but they're talking about like
how this mission statement is a building block towards a
recommitment ceremony. I'm like, I don't care. I don't care
talk about all the other stuff. We don't need a ceremony.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
This must be like a curse thing for TLC, Like
all these families that do these recommitment ceremonies break up,
like the Goslins did the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
I know, and I think at the end of this season,
which by the way, next episodes a tell all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, but then we have extras.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Then we have like a whole other season which is
classified as still season six, which ends with the commitments
that were like, it's so much snoring, honey, I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
It's a lot. Thank god. We have season nineteen this
weekend coming back. Yes, that'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yes, maybe, I hope so I do. We'll see what happens.
We're definitely going to be back for that, and we
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Now, is there anything else that we need to say
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wait have been talking a lot.

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This was a good episode, it was there was so
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a bridge?

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We will be back next week to get back into
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