May 28, 2025 • 48 mins
Kody spews more nonsense about how everyone else failed except him, Robyn continues to save face and avoid accountability, Meri speaks her truth, Christine wears a pink suit, and Janelle laughs at the stupidity of it all. Lucky for us, we have 3 more of these tell-nothing's to go!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello and welcome to reality TV. Chris John, I'm one
of your whole Delia, and I'm here with my real
tight homegirl and my daughter in law. Be it Hello,
We are here kicking off the first of for one
on one Tell Nothing's thro Fluster Wives Season nineteen. Are
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you excited about it?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yes? I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
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Speaker 2 (02:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, Beatrice, why don't you give us a little takeaway
something that you thought after you watched the Sister Waves.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Cody's hair yea is absolutely horrid. I was just looking
at it in this one on one. I mean, I
know we've been seeing it all seasoned the last couple
of seasons and stuff like that, but this one on
one with the close up images of his hair, I'm
just like, dude, he's got it shaved on the sides
for some reason, and it's got pulled back and he's
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got the two tendrils that are like glued on the top.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, I just I've got a hair band in there too, right,
Like he's getting the bump, the back and the back bump.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't understand, like how Robin thinks that's attractive. How
Cody looks in the mirror and is like, yeah, I
look like I have a full head of hair skill
in it.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's so bad, it's bad. It's getting worse.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's getting really bad.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I love that for him.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh me too.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah. So my takeaway was that I thought I detected
a little bit of fire from Suki this time, like
she well, not a lot, like a candle. Yeah, and
it deserves more like somebody, God, what my kingdom for
somebody who would push back against Cody Brown, who once
again showed his ass. I was almost aggressive with Suki, yeah,
(03:27):
and definitely, and how he spoke with her, But I
could see in Suki like a little bit more pushback
and maybe she was a bit disapproving of some of
his answers and she was trying to challenge him a
bit more, which caused him to get even more crazy. Yeah,
and I'm hoping that trend grows and persists throughout all
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of the towels me too.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I just won't hold my breath for it. Yeah, I
could see a little bit of pushback, little things like
it seems like she's getting kind of fed up with
having to like manage him. Can you imagine, oh my god,
him just cutting her off constantly.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's not even listening. No, have you ever met someone
who is sitting there and you can actually see them
thinking of what they want to say as you're still
talking and trying to relay some information to them. That
was absolutely what was happening with Cody and Suki. He's
just thinking about how he wants to go crazy and
what he wants to say.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It was so rude. I can't imagine being Suki. Like,
I know, we give her crap and we have in
the past and everything because she's very soft on Cody
and Robin. But like, I also can't imagine having to
interview and like manage people like Cody and Robin who
just never want to tell the truth, who always deflect.
Cody gets really aggressive, Like I just.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Can't Robin doesn't even want to watch the clips. Girl
hy TLC and the production company Puddle Monkey lets her
get away with that, Like what good are you if
you're not even going to watch the episodes, if you're
not going to watch the clips that you can intelligently
contribute to the conversation. Right, But because it's toxic and
(05:02):
it's disturbing, and because you don't want to see yourself
and the things that you have done played back to you,
you won't even look at the teleprompter.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh no, And I don't know how that's even allowed.
But whatever is going to cry her way through, its toxic.
It's because of you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, it is because of you. And she didn't really
seem sad to me. She seemed like she was ready
to fight. She seems very cold.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That jaws hard.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's very hard.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's a hard job. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So those are my thoughts, those are your thoughts. Yeah,
let's get into the episode. So, season nineteen, episode twenty six,
the one on one Part one.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yes, and apparently, per the family's request, we're not going
to discuss Garrison's passing at all, which I have mixed
feelings about because I'm like, Okay, I guess I understand
like not wanting to bring up a really sensitive, like
tragic subject and then have the family fight about like
and stuff like that. I guess they get it, But
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at the same time, I wish we could talk about
it a little bit, especially with Cody and Robin.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But right I think I fall on the side of
appreciating that we're not talking about Garrison because it makes
it more difficult to somebody reviewing the show to go
in hard on some of these parents for the shit
that they're doing. Yeah, it's like when you have that
subject in that That's the reason we've been having so
many after shows, because we want to be able to
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say what we feel right, but be respectful. Be respectful
because we're also dealing with the tragedy. So I appreciate
that because I'm going in and I don't care. Sure,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
At least now we can go in, yeah and be
angry at these people because some of the things that
Cody and Robin were saying in this episode were ridiculous.
We start off with clips of Cody, well, actually, no,
we don't. We start off with asking what movie do
you envision your life if you could pick one movie
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to represent your life.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Before we even do that, we are on the road
headed to so to God.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I blocked that out of my mind and.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I only mention it because for the most part, it's
a nothing burger. But I only mention it because we
have Cody and Robin in their brand new convertible Mercedes,
and then I was checking out all the vehicles in
the background that we know that Cody has purchased and
has financed. But then we have Cody talking about the
(07:29):
first reunion that they ever filmed and how there was
a makeup artist that did Robin's makeup and she looks
so beautiful, and then he does something like ooh uh
that like please don't, please do not.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That, Like I literally blocked that out of my mind
because it was so disgusting. Right again, I'm just like,
nobody cares about you and Robin's romance. Nobody cares that
you guys are sexually attracted to each other. I don't
even want to envision it. I don't understand how he
thinks something like that is even appropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I feel like it's something they're trying to roll out
to us, Like we have them both on that poor horse,
which is like animal abuse. Yeah, and then we have
her going ooh, he's a rancher rarer. Like I feel
like they're trying to present themselves with like this great
sexual energy, and I'm just like, I don't need any
(08:23):
of that, not one part of that is for me,
miss me.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
With that, I don't understand because if you are conscious
to the fact that everybody in the entire world hates you,
hates like literally hates you, there are people that are
way worse than us in terms of their opinions of
Cody and Robin and like want them dead. Like I'm
just like, why would you think that we as the
viewers care about your sexual romance and that you guys
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find each other attractive.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't know, because neither one of you are attracted.
It's a mystery to me. But we can also see
that Robin is not looking forward to this reunion. She's
dreading it. Looks like she's been traumatized in the past
and she knows she's going to get retraumatized having to
sit down and take accountability for her demonic behavior. God forbid,
we wrestle against their principalities and the powers. Robin, but
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she's not looking forward to it. But Janelle's like, oh, yeah,
I'm gonna have a good time. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Sukie's nice.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I just have to remember, like I shouldn't share too much,
you know, it's easy to forget because Suki's right, right,
which I'm just like, no, share more, please, I would
love that. And Mary says she's not worried about it
either because she's confident now because she's worthied up, she
knows herself, knows her answers, and she's just not gonna
have her walls up anymore. And also, when you don't lie,
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you don't have to remember your story, which I was like, oh,
who are you calling out? I know who you're I
know I know who it's Robin and Cody.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yep. But Christine's not happy about the one on one.
She says she hates them. She hates being confronted with
the hard things, which I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, right, but you like the paycheck right exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I'm like, just answer the hard questions, jeez. But
then we get to the actual one on ones, and
this is where we have that dumb question from Suki.
If you could pick one movie describe your life, what
would it be?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And I'm just like, this is so dumb.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
This is so dumb. Nobody cares not what movie except
Cody picked a movie that was about a bank robbery.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It was, but it was about bank robbers who were surfers.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, stop it. No, I've never seen the movie, so
I just thought it was I.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Feel like that's why he chose it. And I think
in the end of point Break, Patrick swayzey, I think
they're in Australia and there's these huge waves coming in
and Keanu Reeves is the FED and he's like, Okay,
well you either come with me or you can go
get in the waves. And so Patrick Swayzy jumps into
these huge waves and presumably dies or gets the way.
(10:55):
But I'm just like, what, Cody, what are you talking about.
I think it's simply because he associates himself as a
as a surfer shut from Utah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, and then he changes his mind and he says
Batman returns because and I wrote down the quote he said.
It was something like, if you don't die the hero,
you live long enough to become the villain. And then
Suki's like, so you're the villain. He's like, no, but
I've been villainized right, Like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
God, he was so close. He was, so because you
are the villain. Yeah, you've turned into the villain. You're
the villain of your entire family, and if we could
just start owning some of that, maybe we could get somewhere.
But no, very quickly he pivots and he's like, I'm
the victimized. Yeah, okay, Cody bullyas never change.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Never change at all. And then we get into clips
of Cody saying that he did love the wives, but
he never loved the wives and how he's gone back
and forth with this over the couple seasons, and then
Suki asks everybody questions about it, and Cody's like, well,
I'm just good because I was going through a brig
up phase where I said that I didn't love them,
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but like, maybe I did, I guess. And Robin says
that he was rewriting history with this, which is kind
of interesting hm hmm. But she also says something gross
like it was an aphrodisiac for your to be in
love with the other women, And.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
She said this before she said that she was most
attracted to Cody because he was a family man and
because he allegedly loved his wives, and so hearing him
say in later seasons that he never loved these wives
was very troubling to her. Because that's kind of the
foundation of their attraction. But I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't believe in all.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't think that's why you fell in love with
Cody Brown. I think it was because they were going
to be creating a show about polygamous and you heard
about it, and so you orchestrated a meeting with Cody.
I think you were having some kind of an affair
with Cody before you ever met Janelle, ever met Christina,
and maybe even ever met Mary. That's just a hunch
that I have. Yeah, this is some grand machination that
(13:01):
you have conducted this entire time.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I could see it, honestly with how she's acted. But
it's just interesting to me that she is willing to
call Cody out on that and say that it was
him rewriting history, because a lot of the time she
defends him or she'll say the same lies as him.
She does in this episode a little bit later. But
like I just it was just interesting to me that
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she calls him out for that.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But well, what would it say about her if she
married into a polygamous family where the husband didn't love
the wives that's the thing, Yeah, and didn't take care
of the children.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Point.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That would be a reflection on her, wouldn't it good? Point?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So she's all about yep, her image not necessarily just Cody's.
Its hers interesting. And then we have Cody saying some
bullshit about how it's difficult in polygamy to love everybody
equally and that he tried really hard to nurture all
of his other relationships, which is a total fing lie.
He also tried really hard to elevate the OG three
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relationships up to the level that Robin and his relationship
were at, but he failed. Well, he didn't fail. They failed.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They failed.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
They failed to rise too.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But isn't that a tacit acknowledgment that there were different levels, yes,
and that it was unequal, yes, and that Robin was
on a higher level, like something that you have denied
season after season after season. I mean even last season
you were denying that you treated anybody differently. So now
we're getting some sort of a sideways acknowledgement that indeed
(14:35):
their relationship was what did he call it, a higher love,
a higher divine a higher divine love. Yeah, and that
he was struck with this divine love like from the
very beginning. So Christine is right, yeah. When she talks
about how as soon as Robin entered the family things changed, yep,
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and as soon as Mary legally divorced Cody, like the
instruction of the family happened.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yes, And that's what's so interesting about Cody is that,
like you could admit all of these things, like you're
basically saying Robin was your favorite, you were more in
love with her than any of the other wives, and
all of these things, but then you're very quick to
say no, no, no, but like I did really good
in my other relationships. I nurtured everything. It was just
their fault. Like that's the level of delusion that Cody
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Brown is at. I mean, just look at his hair.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Like you're right, see it's in another dementia.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
He it really is. And then he also talks about
like the things that Robin was good at that the
other wives were not good at, Like she was good
at communication and loving him, and Sukie says she was
good at negotiating with him. And then also Robin had
a healthy amount of self respect, And this gets us
into a conversation of like did Cody actually respect the
(15:48):
og three wives. Christine says she feels like Cody respected
her like a little bit and.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Some well, she starts by saying, I don't think he
ever felt he needed to, yeah, but then she said,
but maybe he respected that I was a mom or
that I was a wife. But she also said that
she doesn't think she had self respect, like she wasn't
respecting herself, and then she goes into talking about how
she was actually fixated on Cody and Cody's impact on
(16:17):
their family in their home because whenever Cody came home,
everybody had to adjust and accommodate around what Cody wanted
to eat and what Cody wanted to do, and so
everybody had to change it up. And she's like, that's
not fair, Like you should come home and integrate yourself
into the existing family, not have everybody move around to
accommodate you. So the focus is always on Cody, Yes,
(16:40):
in that way, So she acknowledged that, and it seems
to be true.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh for sure. And she also says that she was
disgusted with herself for centering her entire life around like
what Cody needed, what Cody wanted, and how Cody felt
about things. And that's why part of the reason why
she doesn't like doing these one on ones and these
tell nothings because she has to live that part of
her life where she was not respecting herself enough to
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care about her own feelings and everything else.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
But I just want to say, like, this is the stuff, though,
that you really need to say out loud publicly. She
need to acknowledge that you centered this toxic person, that
you gave essential parts of yourself away, and also that
your kids went without so that you could platform this person.
And that's a mistake I think that a lot of
women make with men in their lives, especially when we're younger,
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and a lot of men make the same mistake with women.
And so acknowledging that so that anybody who watches can
go back and see that, I think is really helpful.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Oh for sure. And then I think Janelle said that
she had a lot of self respect, so she's like,
what was our relationship then, Like I was respecting myself,
I was good at communicating, and Mary talks about how
she didn't have any self respect, especially the last I
don't know did she say it was the last time
ten or fourteen years something like that, something longer, which
I'm just like, that's good for Mary to finally acknowledge
(17:59):
a little bit. I wish she would kind of dive
more into it of like I didn't have enough self
respect because I kept chasing a man that didn't want
to be with me any longer. But she's getting there,
so I won't be too critical. And then we get
a question I think from Suki asking Cody, like if
he respected the OG three, and he says he respected
Mary more than Janelle, but then he respected Janelle and
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Mary more than Christine, which basically just means he didn't
respect Christine at all.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There was levels of respect for the wives, I guess,
but it's like one of those comments that you don't
need to say.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
No, not all.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You don't need to say all that. You could just
say yes, I did respect them, right, and I think
they respected me and or sometimes you know, the respect
wasn't there. That's something that definitely we should have worked on.
But he can't help himself but to vomit out this
toxicity towards these women, and that's.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
What's so crazy. And he like even makes a comment
the beginning of this saying like it's hard to be
accountable for things that you say in a passionate moment.
But I'm like, every moment with you is a passionate,
angry moment. So when can you ever really be accountable
for anything? Apparently never?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And when did he say it's easy to pick on
someone who doesn't have a filter, Yeah, something, Well, then
learn to have a filter. Fifty I don't know, go
to therapy for re, read a book about how to
emotionally regulate instead of just spew out all this vitriol
on your wives and your children and damage all of
these people's lives. I mean, I don't know, be proactive
(19:28):
with your mental health.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
God no, because it's everybody else's fault except his. That's
Cody Brown for you. And then when Cody was talking
about wanting to elevate all of his other relationships to
the level where him and Robin's were at, Robin echoes
this and says this is what he communicated to her,
and then the other OG three wives are like, we
(19:50):
were never told that, and that's bullshit. Like I think
Janelle's like, that would have been nice to know. Mary says,
that's completely unfair and gross that you would think that
we need to be like Robin, because we're not going
to be like Robin, and Christine says it was a
flat out lie. So it's totally Cody just making up
some stupid excuse for how he treated the OG three
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wives over the last fifteen years or whatever because he
thinks it makes him look good. Oh, I tried really hard.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I tried to love these unlovable women, is basically what
he's trying to tell us.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He thinks that makes him look good, which is just
absolutely insane. And then we have Suki pulling up another
clip about the spiritual release that Mary got, Yeah, and
it's kind of opened up a conversation about the spiritual
release and the legal divorce that she did hmm several
years ago, so that way Cody could adopt Robin's kids,
(20:43):
which I thought was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Very interesting. So there's two issues within that that I
want to definitely get into. The first issue is around
the terminology of abandonment and how her release was granted
on the basis of that, and how that is just
a point that sticks in his craw and he can't
seem to accept and or acknowledge, and neither can Robin
(21:05):
that maybe there was some abandonment there. And the second
was around the catfish because it's like the thing that
they don't want to talk about right even now, and
Cody's talking about it without actually saying what it is,
and for anybody who's watched the show, we know what
he's talking about, and then Mary is still not able
to actually talk about it at all. I'm wondering if,
(21:28):
because we're talking about it a little bit now, whether
as we go on with the tell Nothings, she'll start
to open up about it. But it's still such a
point of secretiveness for her. She does not want to
acknowledge the fact that she was cheating. It didn't work
out in her favor because the man she was talking
(21:48):
to was a woman and this woman was taking advantage
of her, But it doesn't change the fact that she
was cheating. Yeah, and that is what Cody. That's how
Cody marks the end of their relations. So those two
things I thought were fascinating, very interesting and got me activated.
So the word, do you want to start with the abandonment.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Or with the We'll just go into the abandonment because
that was kind of what they started with and it
was kind of I don't know, it was frustrating because
I feel like we've talked about it a lot before.
But Mary is confused as to why Cody even cares
about what the church said, because Cody was saying to
her that he didn't leave her because of their religion,
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but then he doesn't even subscribe to the religion anymore,
so like, why.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you even care?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
No, he was saying that he didn't leave her because
of the religion, right, Oh is that what she said?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Maybe I heard you. Yeah, he didn't leave her because
of the religion. But at the same time or out
of the other side of his mouth, he's like, yeah,
but I don't care about the religion is a part
of it? Yeah? And is this where he's also talking
about being afraid to tell Mary that it was over
because he didn't know what her reaction was going.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
She was going to do? Yeah? And Mary's offended by
this because she like, what do you think I was
gonna do? Like this is crazy? And even Janelle echoes that.
She's like, are you trying to paint Mary as like
some psycho that is going to kill you or something
because you're leaving her? But Christine, yes, maybe it's a
comment about how everybody felt like they had to walk
around on eggshells around Mary because they didn't know if
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she was going to be good one day or bad
the next. So I'm like, Okay, where's the truth here?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, I think that Christine is telling the truth, but
that that's not specific to the subject that they were discussing. Yes,
throughout the course of all of their relationships, Mary was
hard to deal with, and we've talked about that, But
as it concerns the breakup of her marriage with Cody
and Cody being allegedly afraid, what she's talking about doesn't
(23:47):
make any sense. And I just personally, and I don't
know how you feel about it or anybody else, I
felt like it wasn't her place to say that, or
to try and attribute like history of their relationships back
from the eighties and nineties in the eye, like try
to pin that on Mary during the breakup of her
and Cody's marriage. I agree that felt a little mean,
and it seemed like Christine started to walk it back
(24:09):
a little bit. Well, but she's made so many changes,
she's person I know she's really trying hard. That comes
off a little bit condescending to me. What with the
changes you're making, Christine, What about all the mistakes that
you've made.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, for real, I thought that was kind of a
mean comment to make, because she does say like, oh, well,
Mary is a different person now, she's grown a lot.
I'm like, okay, then why are you saying that? Yeah?
Because if that was Mary when she was nineteen twenty
something or whatever, when she was her frontal lobe wasn't
fully developed and she was emotionally unregulated. I don't think
that's fair to compare that version of Mary to forty
(24:44):
something year old version of Mary or.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Fifty year old mar fifty Cody, you weren't even around
for that. I mean, you were around obviously in Flagstaff
for a period of time, and you were around in Vegas,
and so I'm sure you were privy to what was
happening in their relationship, but you weren't around for their
final conversations. You weren't around for when Cody would have
been afraid yeah, because he told her yeah and they
broke up, So like, why are you speaking on it now?
(25:08):
That did not seem fair to me.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, it didn't at all. And I liked Janelle's point
of view on it because she was just like Cody,
just be an adult like you can just talk to
her like a person. And I think even Mary says
something to you to the effect of, like, it's okay,
if he changed his mind and like fell out of
love with me or whatever, I wish he would have
just said that, like, then maybe we could have broken
things off. I could have married my banana person and
(25:30):
it would have been fine, you know what I mean,
really it would have been great. And so I thought
that was interesting that Janelle was kind of backing up
Mary in that regard about then Christine was being kind
of mean girl energy about it. And then we get
into the legal divorce and like whether or not Cody
and Robin had like an ulterior motive with that, Like
Sukie actually asks that question, which was kind of interesting.
(25:53):
But Cody starts off this conversation with like, well, after
the legal divorce, nothing changed. Everything was fine until something.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Happened that I don't want to talk about, which is
the catfish. We all know what it is, yes, which
it's just like, why are we talking about it?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Why is it?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like, well, because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he
really did want that legal divorce from Mary and that
he really did want to be married to Robin. He
didn't want to acknowledge the fact that maybe Robin had
started setting things in motions by perhaps mentioning to the
wives and the kids from time to time that it's
perfectly common in polygamist families to divorce one wife and
(26:31):
Mary another to adopt their kids. He doesn't want to
acknowledge any of that because he's constantly in a defensive
posture about Robin, and so it's easier for him. It's
much more convenient for Cody to mark the beginning of
the end as the catfish, which happened after the legal
divorce by about what a year or something like fish
(26:52):
something like.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
That, Yeah, because he stopped hanging out with Mary at
that point in time and probably cut off intimacy after
the legal divorce, and then that was when Mary started
to become or feel neglected and then search elsewhere for
love and affection because Cody wasn't given her nun And
I mean, like, look, I understand that the catfish would
be like a marker of an end to or like
(27:15):
the beginning of the end of their relationship, because I mean,
once you start cheating or like looking elsewhere, it's like, yeah,
maybe your marriage is kind of doomed at that point.
You know, I get it, But at the same time,
Cody is totally shifting blame away from himself. But it
was interesting when we got into the legal divorce discussion
(27:37):
because Christine says something like Robin was the one planting
seeds in the family and saying, oh, this is very
common in polygamist families, and blah blah blah. Of course,
Mary's like, oh, I don't recall that, and Robin's like, oh,
I don't recall that. But Robin makes a comment about
how we knew that this was a thing that happened
(27:57):
in polygamists families because Cody's dad did it mm hm,
which means that he divorced Cody's mom to marry Janelle's mom.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Or the other wife. It could be the other wife
or the third named Bobby. I forget what her name is. Yeah,
I don't know if when when married Janelle's mom Cheryl. Yeah,
I mean Janelle was a full grown woman, so I'm
not sure that he adopted any of her kids, but
maybe there were some littles that he did adopt. I
don't know the history or the lare there, but he
(28:25):
did have another wife and it could have been that wife, yeah,
that Robin is referring to, but like she's like, I
never talked about that. But then she's like, but I
do know that it happened, and Suki says, well, Christine's
the one who said she heard it, and then Robin
pulls a funky face and she's like, okay, mm hmmm,
because she hates she hates Christine, and Christine is staying
(28:46):
on her back, staying on that.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I kind of love it, honestly, like, bring more of
that Caddy energy. Let's fight yep, Let's fine, yep. And
then what else do we talk about with the legal divorce? Oh,
Robin said that Mary only got a release because of
what she said.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right, because she was asked directly, did Cody abandon Mary?
And Robin takes the moment, how am I going to
answer this so that it will seem the best for
me and I can get out of this unscathed, and
she does basically say that, you know, Mary's the one
that went got the release. Mary's the one that's going
to tell the story according to her perspective, and so
(29:24):
she got the release that she asked for based on
the grounds that she asked for whereas Mary's like, that's
not what I did. Yeah, I went. I told him
what had happened and how the relationship was, and they
were the ones that designated that the grounds would be abandonment.
Cody can't believe that, No, and Robin doesn't believe it either. Well,
(29:46):
I think Robin does believe it, but she won't acknowledge
it because Robin, you know full well that when COVID
happened and Mary was in Flagstaff, that she was alone
all the time. You know that Cody did not visit her,
didn't want to visit her, and or did you visit
her or your kids who Mary bought that or rented
that place because it had the jungle gym and all
(30:06):
the things in the back, and your kids were supposed
to come over all the time and play at Mary's house,
but you never went there. You know that woman is neglected, yep.
So it's really foul for you not to acknowledge that
at least Mary could have felt that way.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But no, no, she can't at all. And then she
even defends Cody by saying that he was actually a
very present husband for you. I'm like, for you your kids. Yeah,
what about his kids.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
He didn't talk to any of Janelle's kids during COVID
for what did the boys say, like seven or eight months? Yeah,
at least they didn't see him. And then after you
have that big fight with Janelle over Christmas and she
kicked you out of her dormitory apartment, you didn't even
call Savannah for a month. What did Havana do, little
angel Savannah? You don't care about those kids. So Robin, yeah,
he's real present for you and your family, and you
(30:56):
know this, I know that's what makes her evil.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, And it's like we have tried in our own
way to like look at Robin like, well, maybe she
was kind of innocent in some parts, maybe not, but
after this one on one, I'm like, no, confirmed, you
are so evil. You will never change and you will
always defend Cody and you will always play the victim
because you can't ever be wrong, and like, you can't
(31:21):
deal with the heat of being the favorite wife and
the wife that took Cody away from his entire family
of seventeen freaking kids.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What would it cost you, like honestly to just say
you know what, Yeah, I think from time to time
the schedule was unequal or there were times one wife,
you know, saw Cody more than others, and yeah it
was often me, but that's because he had his stuff.
You're like, what would it cost you to just admit
to some of these things? Right? But you don't admit
to any of these things, not even that Mary was neglected,
(31:53):
which she was.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, you're gonna say that he was a present husband
because you're running defense for him, which we all know
is a freaking lie. But like whatever, and then.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I can we go? Can we go back a little
bit to the legal divorce. The night of the legal divorce,
Cody had said, inappropriately and crudely, according to Mary, that
they had you know, he gave her a ring or
a watch or a necklace and then they had sex,
which Mary's like, that's not appropriate. I don't know why
he's talking about that. We had an agreement we wouldn't
(32:23):
talk about bedroom stuff, but he was saying it to
illustrate that. No, everything was great. I was really happy
with her and nothing changed. Yeah after that, nothing changed,
Like he made a point to say that. Yeah, and
he's like, until Mary started getting involved in something that
I won't talk about and she kicked me out of
the house, and so the way that he's kind of
(32:46):
setting it up, and I just want to admit that
I haven't watched all of those episodes, so I'm not
sure what actually happens during the Catfish. But the way
he's setting it up is like he's over at Mary's
house one night and she's like, I want you to leave,
and he can hear her somewhere in the house talking
to somebody and giggling on the phone. Yeah, the way
(33:08):
he laid it out in this conversation was he was
already feeling betrayed, and I'm like, why were you feeling betrayed?
So did you know about the catfish? Because there is
the theory and the rumor that Robin and her friend
Grenya knew that Mary was talking to this woman who
was pretending to be a man, and that Cody had
(33:29):
that information. So were you lying in bed in Mary's
house pretending you didn't know about the catfish, feeling betrayed
and listening to her giggle? Like what did you think
of that?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think that was all a lie to pain himself
as this victim. That was this husband that was very
present and cared about Mary so much and loved her
so much, and then he was shocked and chagrined that
she was cheating on him with somebody that he found out,
and then he got kicked out of the house. I
was actually reading about this on Reddit because I haven't
seen all of the episodes either, but I kind of
(34:02):
remember when all this stuff happened. Mary didn't kick him out.
She just said she needed space, and so he took
it as he's getting kicked out because it's Cody Brown.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
After all. When he wants to be kicked out, he
doesn't want to be with Mary. A little thing is
going to be that catalyst.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, so I think he's just spinning the whole catfish
situation to work in his favor. That Mary betrayed him,
which I mean it is a little bit of a betrayal.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But if after the divorce, you stopped paying attention to her,
like maybe you guys banged that night and you gave
her a necklace or whatever, but then did you just
ghost her? Were yeah gone? Did you still visit her?
Did you still prioritize the relationship?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It sounds like you didn't. And so over time she
got caught up with the catfish because she was neglected
because you abandoned her exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
So it's just one of those really messy things. And
this is where I think Suki asks Janelle specifically if
she thought that Cody had like an old ulterior motive
with the legal divorce and everything, and Janelle says she
doesn't think Cody was smart enough to like scheme his
way into convincing Mary to divorce him so that way
(35:12):
he can marry Robin. And I wonder if there's some
truth to that, because we've talked about like if Cody
was smart enough to come up with this plan.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, but she didn't say Robin wasn't smart enough. See that,
she didn't say Robin wasn't sophisticated enough. That was the
thing that was left unsaid. Yeah, that was something I inferred.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I just thought it was an
interesting comment on Janelle's part. And then the last clip
that we see is like a montage or clip of
Janelle and Cody at Josephinees Bistro and the Attic where
they were officially breaking up their relationship. And this is
where Janelle says in her talking head that Cody, by
(35:52):
Polygamus standards is a total complete thing failure.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I just love it, and I love that he had
to watch the clip and you could just see his face,
says he's watching it for probably the second time. Yeah,
called the failure, and he is a failure. And Janelle
goes on to say, objectively, in our faith, in our culture,
he is a failure of a husband. But he cannot
take responsibility, even within a structure or a religious framework
(36:17):
that he no longer subscribes to. He cannot take responsibility
and admit that he failed, not at all.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And she talks about his ego too, like he can't
deal with it because of his massive ego. And then
this is where Cody responds. He's like, well, she likes
to throw around words like ego and failure because it's
just buzzwords and everything, but like, it's not my failure.
It's actually a shared failure. It's everyone's failure in the family,
not me, because I can't be the one to take
(36:43):
any responsibility. And Robin echoes this as well, that they're
all failures.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's not just Cody, right, Because Suki asks her directly,
do you think Cody is a failure and she kind
of laughs, yeah, Well the answer is yes. Of course,
and so she covers from and she's like, I think
we're all failures. Ever the diplomatic answer. I wish somebody
would have said, Okay, well how have you failed? I know, right,
Like what was the mistake that you made? Like where's
(37:09):
your ownership in any of this?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
She probably would say some bullshit like I love too much?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, probably I'm too awesome.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, I cared too much about the family.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah. My weakness is that I'm so strong.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, exactly, like that exactly. And then this is where
we see like Robin, she can't even watch the clip.
We see her like Grimace and not even look at
the TV the entire time, and Sukie calls her out
on its, like why can't you just watch the clips though? Ho?
And Robin's like, it's just too disturbing, so toxic to
(37:42):
watch everybody talk crap about of each other. It makes
me so.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Sad watching people that you love talk crap about each other.
I'm like, well, no, they're also talking crap about you, though, Yeah,
And you have a distinct inability to watch them talk
about you and your part in this entire mess because
you don't want to have to admit it confront it,
deal with it, or talk about it, because you are
(38:07):
a coward, dude, you throw the stones and you hide
your hands, and then you blame everybody else.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yep, you can't take the heat. No, And then we
kind of end the episode with Janelle saying she can't
decide if the way Cody's acting, like him being a villain,
is all like his own ego trip because he can't
deal with being a failure, or if he's running interference
for Robin and taking some of the blame off of her,
(38:35):
which I thought was kind of interesting. I don't know
if Cody would be willing to be the villain for
Robin's sake, but he does defend her a lot. And
he did say was it this season or last? I
forget because there's been so many fucking episodes about him
being the devil, He'll become the devil.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think that was last season.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I think that both of those things are true. I mean,
obviously Cody has a massive, malignant, out of control ego,
can't take responsibility, can't look at himself and see himself accurately.
This we all know. But I do think even if
it's unconscious and reactive, I do think that he becomes
more hyperbolic and bombastic in order to sort of take
(39:20):
the attention off of Robin. Because as dumb as Cody
is at he doubledick, he'd a dubad. He knows that
Robin has been the one he's got to know on
some level, and I think he's pretty conscious to the
fact that Robin has been the one that's been turning
the head. She's the neck turning the head. And I
was just thinking in my imagination as I was watching this,
(39:43):
I could just see them in bed at night talking
about things like the money. How are we going to
be able to get this home? How do we get
the women to give us the proceeds from the sale
of their homes. I could see them scheming, and I
think she's the one who is in more control, but
I think he's complicit. Yeah, so if that's true, I
(40:03):
can see him villainizing himself or becoming this ogre of
a person so people don't necessarily focus on Robin. But
he's not good at it. Yeah, He's just such a
cartoon character about it. And she's so cold and calculated
that it doesn't take somebody in mensa to recognize that
she's the one that's behind it all.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, I could see that. I guess it's just like
he if he is consciously trying to be the villain
to take the heat off of Robin. He still hates
being the villain though, like he still can't take any
account of that ego. It is the ego, So yeah,
you're probably right, it is a bit of both. And
I just thought it was interesting that, like Janelle seems
to be the one to call him out on his bullshit,
(40:45):
like she's the one that hits him where it hurts
the most, because you know, he's just sitting there thinking
about it all day, that Janelle thinks that he's a failure,
and that Janelle's calling him out for his big ass ego,
Like you know, he's thinking about that more than anything else.
Because I think Janelle's one that yes, hm, yes, and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I love it too. I thought there was not enough
Janelle in this episode. I thought that there was too
much Cody, yep. And I just feel like it's Janelle
that has got to be holding the most resentment towards
Cody as a result of everything that's happened, especially Garrison.
It's Janelle that would have the ability to tap into
(41:27):
this primal feminine rage that I think we all feel
when we watch this together, like or male rage, but
like this rage inside of her. And I'm like, say
more though, like talk about that. And I know we're
not talking about Garrison, and I can respect and understand that,
but there are so many other things peripheral to that
that you can say. And I wish you would say I.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Know, I wish they would all say it. I'm just like,
just let it out.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I mean, Janelle spending a lot of time laughing about it,
like I don't know why I didn't tell me. Hahuh No,
don't laugh.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
No, why aren't you mad?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Why aren't you getting your brass knuckles out? Why aren't
we beating him down? I know, talk to me about that.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I need the Janelle from last season where she was
telling Cody to fuck off.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yes, bring more of that. That's the energy we want
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yes, ma'am. And then we have the preview for the
next tell Alls to come, where we have Christine saying
that polygamous man that loses three wives, that has three
wives leave him is a total failure, Like this is
a problem with the man, not the women. Harriod, Harriet
point blank, Janelle saying that she thinks Cody has made
himself more of a villain to take off the heat
(42:30):
from Robin. And then Mary talking about how she was
shocked that Cody cried when she was moving, so we
want to talk more about that, okay. We have Christine
saying Cody picked favorites and he was the one that
ended the era and he should look in the fucking mirror.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
M M.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
We have Janelle saying Cody started telling everybody that she
was the one that controlled the money and that this
is just a tactic of Cody's that he hits all
of the wives where they hurt the most, their pain points.
Cody saying that apparently sex and money are now on
the tables. That's why he's going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It because you put it on the table.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
But he's saying that the other wives put it on
the table.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Okay, but it was you who put it on the
table exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
And then we talk about Robin putting on makeup and
camping again. Oh why, I'm just like, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
We get it.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Cody likes a pretty.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Woman, he tell nothings of that. We just need a
couple of tell nothings getting to the actual good stuff.
We don't need the regurgitation and the repeating of all
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I know, I don't get it. And then we have
Janelle saying that if she had a one year long
courtship like Cody Robin did, then she probably wouldn't have
married Cody.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Oh, I loved that, which was great. Yeah, and that's it. Okay, Well,
this was kind of all over the place. I'm really
curious as to how they edit it, because you have
some of the wives and or Cody answering some of
the things that another person said, and I'm like, well,
who said what first? Did they actually hear the entire SoundBite?
(44:03):
It would be so much better and more cohesive if
we were all just in the same room, for God's sake,
But we're never going to get that. I was listening
to a short video by Nikki Haverstock and she was
saying that this tell nothing or these foretel nothings were
filmed I think October first or second of twenty twenty four,
(44:25):
just two weeks after the news of Christine's lawsuit came out.
Before they purchased the new McMansion and while the old
McMansion was still up for sale, and so she was
wondering if some of the agro energy were getting from
Cody and Robin is because they've just been sued. Bitch,
(44:47):
I could see it. And their house isn't selling and
where are they going to move to? And so maybe
that's why there's some feelings around that, which I thought
was a very salient and interesting point.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, but why are we filming a reunion in effect,
like eight months before the season ends? Like, why aren't
we filming the reunion after everybody on the cast has
had an opportunity to actually watch the episodes and see
what people are saying. But like, why are we doing
(45:21):
it this way? I just don't understand these decisions, TolC.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Why are we getting footage from two years ago in
a season of twenty five episodes and we have all
of these talking hits that are filmed at different periods
of time cobbled together to make it seem like it's
all cohesive, Like it's all of the editing in this
entire season. The last couple seasons has been atrocious.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I'm so over it. I am probably gonna get a
season twenty.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Dude, No, we are getting a season twenty because there
has been footage of them filming.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well, people talked about about how this was going to
be the end, and people are gonna they're gonna cancel
the show, blah blah.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I don't think so. I think it was also Nicki
Havrs who said she heard rumors that they're going to
be airing season twenty starting in fall this year, like
in a couple of months. Beatrice, Oh, yeah, we're gonna
have a bit of a break. Gone, and like two
or three months of a break and then we are
straight into season twenty, and I'm just like, well, what
are we talking about? Though? I know, like, I get it,
(46:18):
we've got Coyote pass. I get that that's not been
resolved as of a year ago, which is when season
twenty would cover. That would be the timeline they're covering,
But like, what else is there? Because Christina's already been married?
Goddamn yeah, Like we don't need to see another Valentine
or Christmas with Christina and David.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
What's happened of any interest or import that we would
have to have a full season.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Beaty, I don't get it. I'm so tired of it,
but I'm still gonna watch it.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
But maybe it would be a different type of Sister Wis.
Maybe there's not gonna be any Cody and Robin. Wouldn't
that be magical and wonderful.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
From your lips to God's ears? But it's not gonna
happen because they are broke af and they need the
pay checks.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Oh my god, that reminds me. I checked out the
Sister Wives ratings. It's in my phone, but they have
dropped majorly. I talk about it in the after show, yeah,
because I'm always checking it to see like are people
still interested? When are and like what does the graph
say when did like interest fall off? And it was
interesting and I want to talk about it, so let's
(47:19):
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a few things again to talk about in the after show.
We've got ratings, We've got a video that we want
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Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (02:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, Beatrice, why don't you give us a little takeaway
something that you thought after you watched the Sister Waves.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Cody's hair yea is absolutely horrid. I was just looking
at it in this one on one. I mean, I
know we've been seeing it all seasoned the last couple
of seasons and stuff like that, but this one on
one with the close up images of his hair, I'm
just like, dude, he's got it shaved on the sides
for some reason, and it's got pulled back and he's
(02:38):
got the two tendrils that are like glued on the top.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, I just I've got a hair band in there too, right,
Like he's getting the bump, the back and the back bump.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't understand, like how Robin thinks that's attractive. How
Cody looks in the mirror and is like, yeah, I
look like I have a full head of hair skill
in it.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's so bad, it's bad. It's getting worse.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's getting really bad.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I love that for him.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh me too.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah. So my takeaway was that I thought I detected
a little bit of fire from Suki this time, like
she well, not a lot, like a candle. Yeah, and
it deserves more like somebody, God, what my kingdom for
somebody who would push back against Cody Brown, who once
again showed his ass. I was almost aggressive with Suki, yeah,
(03:27):
and definitely, and how he spoke with her, But I
could see in Suki like a little bit more pushback
and maybe she was a bit disapproving of some of
his answers and she was trying to challenge him a
bit more, which caused him to get even more crazy. Yeah,
and I'm hoping that trend grows and persists throughout all
(03:48):
of the towels me too.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I just won't hold my breath for it. Yeah, I
could see a little bit of pushback, little things like
it seems like she's getting kind of fed up with
having to like manage him. Can you imagine, oh my god,
him just cutting her off constantly.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's not even listening. No, have you ever met someone
who is sitting there and you can actually see them
thinking of what they want to say as you're still
talking and trying to relay some information to them. That
was absolutely what was happening with Cody and Suki. He's
just thinking about how he wants to go crazy and
what he wants to say.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It was so rude. I can't imagine being Suki. Like,
I know, we give her crap and we have in
the past and everything because she's very soft on Cody
and Robin. But like, I also can't imagine having to
interview and like manage people like Cody and Robin who
just never want to tell the truth, who always deflect.
Cody gets really aggressive, Like I just.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Can't Robin doesn't even want to watch the clips. Girl
hy TLC and the production company Puddle Monkey lets her
get away with that, Like what good are you if
you're not even going to watch the episodes, if you're
not going to watch the clips that you can intelligently
contribute to the conversation. Right, But because it's toxic and
(05:02):
it's disturbing, and because you don't want to see yourself
and the things that you have done played back to you,
you won't even look at the teleprompter.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh no, And I don't know how that's even allowed.
But whatever is going to cry her way through, its toxic.
It's because of you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, it is because of you. And she didn't really
seem sad to me. She seemed like she was ready
to fight. She seems very cold.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That jaws hard.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's very hard.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's a hard job. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So those are my thoughts, those are your thoughts. Yeah,
let's get into the episode. So, season nineteen, episode twenty six,
the one on one Part one.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yes, and apparently, per the family's request, we're not going
to discuss Garrison's passing at all, which I have mixed
feelings about because I'm like, Okay, I guess I understand
like not wanting to bring up a really sensitive, like
tragic subject and then have the family fight about like
and stuff like that. I guess they get it, But
(06:01):
at the same time, I wish we could talk about
it a little bit, especially with Cody and Robin.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But right I think I fall on the side of
appreciating that we're not talking about Garrison because it makes
it more difficult to somebody reviewing the show to go
in hard on some of these parents for the shit
that they're doing. Yeah, it's like when you have that
subject in that That's the reason we've been having so
many after shows, because we want to be able to
(06:30):
say what we feel right, but be respectful. Be respectful
because we're also dealing with the tragedy. So I appreciate
that because I'm going in and I don't care. Sure,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
At least now we can go in, yeah and be
angry at these people because some of the things that
Cody and Robin were saying in this episode were ridiculous.
We start off with clips of Cody, well, actually, no,
we don't. We start off with asking what movie do
you envision your life if you could pick one movie
(07:00):
to represent your life.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Before we even do that, we are on the road
headed to so to God.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I blocked that out of my mind and.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I only mention it because for the most part, it's
a nothing burger. But I only mention it because we
have Cody and Robin in their brand new convertible Mercedes,
and then I was checking out all the vehicles in
the background that we know that Cody has purchased and
has financed. But then we have Cody talking about the
(07:29):
first reunion that they ever filmed and how there was
a makeup artist that did Robin's makeup and she looks
so beautiful, and then he does something like ooh uh
that like please don't, please do not.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That, Like I literally blocked that out of my mind
because it was so disgusting. Right again, I'm just like,
nobody cares about you and Robin's romance. Nobody cares that
you guys are sexually attracted to each other. I don't
even want to envision it. I don't understand how he
thinks something like that is even appropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I feel like it's something they're trying to roll out
to us, Like we have them both on that poor horse,
which is like animal abuse. Yeah, and then we have
her going ooh, he's a rancher rarer. Like I feel
like they're trying to present themselves with like this great
sexual energy, and I'm just like, I don't need any
(08:23):
of that, not one part of that is for me,
miss me.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
With that, I don't understand because if you are conscious
to the fact that everybody in the entire world hates you,
hates like literally hates you, there are people that are
way worse than us in terms of their opinions of
Cody and Robin and like want them dead. Like I'm
just like, why would you think that we as the
viewers care about your sexual romance and that you guys
(08:50):
find each other attractive.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't know, because neither one of you are attracted.
It's a mystery to me. But we can also see
that Robin is not looking forward to this reunion. She's
dreading it. Looks like she's been traumatized in the past
and she knows she's going to get retraumatized having to
sit down and take accountability for her demonic behavior. God forbid,
we wrestle against their principalities and the powers. Robin, but
(09:16):
she's not looking forward to it. But Janelle's like, oh, yeah,
I'm gonna have a good time. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Sukie's nice.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I just have to remember, like I shouldn't share too much,
you know, it's easy to forget because Suki's right, right,
which I'm just like, no, share more, please, I would
love that. And Mary says she's not worried about it
either because she's confident now because she's worthied up, she
knows herself, knows her answers, and she's just not gonna
have her walls up anymore. And also, when you don't lie,
(09:42):
you don't have to remember your story, which I was like, oh,
who are you calling out? I know who you're I
know I know who it's Robin and Cody.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yep. But Christine's not happy about the one on one.
She says she hates them. She hates being confronted with
the hard things, which I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, right, but you like the paycheck right exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I'm like, just answer the hard questions, jeez. But
then we get to the actual one on ones, and
this is where we have that dumb question from Suki.
If you could pick one movie describe your life, what
would it be?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And I'm just like, this is so dumb.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
This is so dumb. Nobody cares not what movie except
Cody picked a movie that was about a bank robbery.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It was, but it was about bank robbers who were surfers.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, stop it. No, I've never seen the movie, so
I just thought it was I.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Feel like that's why he chose it. And I think
in the end of point Break, Patrick swayzey, I think
they're in Australia and there's these huge waves coming in
and Keanu Reeves is the FED and he's like, Okay,
well you either come with me or you can go
get in the waves. And so Patrick Swayzy jumps into
these huge waves and presumably dies or gets the way.
(10:55):
But I'm just like, what, Cody, what are you talking about.
I think it's simply because he associates himself as a
as a surfer shut from Utah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, and then he changes his mind and he says
Batman returns because and I wrote down the quote he said.
It was something like, if you don't die the hero,
you live long enough to become the villain. And then
Suki's like, so you're the villain. He's like, no, but
I've been villainized right, Like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
God, he was so close. He was, so because you
are the villain. Yeah, you've turned into the villain. You're
the villain of your entire family, and if we could
just start owning some of that, maybe we could get somewhere.
But no, very quickly he pivots and he's like, I'm
the victimized. Yeah, okay, Cody bullyas never change.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Never change at all. And then we get into clips
of Cody saying that he did love the wives, but
he never loved the wives and how he's gone back
and forth with this over the couple seasons, and then
Suki asks everybody questions about it, and Cody's like, well,
I'm just good because I was going through a brig
up phase where I said that I didn't love them,
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but like, maybe I did, I guess. And Robin says
that he was rewriting history with this, which is kind
of interesting hm hmm. But she also says something gross
like it was an aphrodisiac for your to be in
love with the other women, And.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
She said this before she said that she was most
attracted to Cody because he was a family man and
because he allegedly loved his wives, and so hearing him
say in later seasons that he never loved these wives
was very troubling to her. Because that's kind of the
foundation of their attraction. But I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't believe in all.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't think that's why you fell in love with
Cody Brown. I think it was because they were going
to be creating a show about polygamous and you heard
about it, and so you orchestrated a meeting with Cody.
I think you were having some kind of an affair
with Cody before you ever met Janelle, ever met Christina,
and maybe even ever met Mary. That's just a hunch
that I have. Yeah, this is some grand machination that
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you have conducted this entire time.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I could see it, honestly with how she's acted. But
it's just interesting to me that she is willing to
call Cody out on that and say that it was
him rewriting history, because a lot of the time she
defends him or she'll say the same lies as him.
She does in this episode a little bit later. But
like I just it was just interesting to me that
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she calls him out for that.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But well, what would it say about her if she
married into a polygamous family where the husband didn't love
the wives that's the thing, Yeah, and didn't take care
of the children.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Point.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That would be a reflection on her, wouldn't it good? Point?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So she's all about yep, her image not necessarily just Cody's.
Its hers interesting. And then we have Cody saying some
bullshit about how it's difficult in polygamy to love everybody
equally and that he tried really hard to nurture all
of his other relationships, which is a total fing lie.
He also tried really hard to elevate the OG three
(14:04):
relationships up to the level that Robin and his relationship
were at, but he failed. Well, he didn't fail. They failed.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They failed.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
They failed to rise too.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But isn't that a tacit acknowledgment that there were different levels, yes,
and that it was unequal, yes, and that Robin was
on a higher level, like something that you have denied
season after season after season. I mean even last season
you were denying that you treated anybody differently. So now
we're getting some sort of a sideways acknowledgement that indeed
(14:35):
their relationship was what did he call it, a higher love,
a higher divine a higher divine love. Yeah, and that
he was struck with this divine love like from the
very beginning. So Christine is right, yeah. When she talks
about how as soon as Robin entered the family things changed, yep,
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and as soon as Mary legally divorced Cody, like the
instruction of the family happened.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yes, And that's what's so interesting about Cody is that,
like you could admit all of these things, like you're
basically saying Robin was your favorite, you were more in
love with her than any of the other wives, and
all of these things, but then you're very quick to
say no, no, no, but like I did really good
in my other relationships. I nurtured everything. It was just
their fault. Like that's the level of delusion that Cody
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Brown is at. I mean, just look at his hair.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Like you're right, see it's in another dementia.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
He it really is. And then he also talks about
like the things that Robin was good at that the
other wives were not good at, Like she was good
at communication and loving him, and Sukie says she was
good at negotiating with him. And then also Robin had
a healthy amount of self respect, And this gets us
into a conversation of like did Cody actually respect the
(15:48):
og three wives. Christine says she feels like Cody respected
her like a little bit and.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Some well, she starts by saying, I don't think he
ever felt he needed to, yeah, but then she said,
but maybe he respected that I was a mom or
that I was a wife. But she also said that
she doesn't think she had self respect, like she wasn't
respecting herself, and then she goes into talking about how
she was actually fixated on Cody and Cody's impact on
(16:17):
their family in their home because whenever Cody came home,
everybody had to adjust and accommodate around what Cody wanted
to eat and what Cody wanted to do, and so
everybody had to change it up. And she's like, that's
not fair, Like you should come home and integrate yourself
into the existing family, not have everybody move around to
accommodate you. So the focus is always on Cody, Yes,
(16:40):
in that way, So she acknowledged that, and it seems
to be true.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh for sure. And she also says that she was
disgusted with herself for centering her entire life around like
what Cody needed, what Cody wanted, and how Cody felt
about things. And that's why part of the reason why
she doesn't like doing these one on ones and these
tell nothings because she has to live that part of
her life where she was not respecting herself enough to
(17:05):
care about her own feelings and everything else.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
But I just want to say, like, this is the stuff, though,
that you really need to say out loud publicly. She
need to acknowledge that you centered this toxic person, that
you gave essential parts of yourself away, and also that
your kids went without so that you could platform this person.
And that's a mistake I think that a lot of
women make with men in their lives, especially when we're younger,
(17:29):
and a lot of men make the same mistake with women.
And so acknowledging that so that anybody who watches can
go back and see that, I think is really helpful.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Oh for sure. And then I think Janelle said that
she had a lot of self respect, so she's like,
what was our relationship then, Like I was respecting myself,
I was good at communicating, and Mary talks about how
she didn't have any self respect, especially the last I
don't know did she say it was the last time
ten or fourteen years something like that, something longer, which
I'm just like, that's good for Mary to finally acknowledge
(17:59):
a little bit. I wish she would kind of dive
more into it of like I didn't have enough self
respect because I kept chasing a man that didn't want
to be with me any longer. But she's getting there,
so I won't be too critical. And then we get
a question I think from Suki asking Cody, like if
he respected the OG three, and he says he respected
Mary more than Janelle, but then he respected Janelle and
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Mary more than Christine, which basically just means he didn't
respect Christine at all.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There was levels of respect for the wives, I guess,
but it's like one of those comments that you don't
need to say.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
No, not all.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You don't need to say all that. You could just
say yes, I did respect them, right, and I think
they respected me and or sometimes you know, the respect
wasn't there. That's something that definitely we should have worked on.
But he can't help himself but to vomit out this
toxicity towards these women, and that's.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
What's so crazy. And he like even makes a comment
the beginning of this saying like it's hard to be
accountable for things that you say in a passionate moment.
But I'm like, every moment with you is a passionate,
angry moment. So when can you ever really be accountable
for anything? Apparently never?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And when did he say it's easy to pick on
someone who doesn't have a filter, Yeah, something, Well, then
learn to have a filter. Fifty I don't know, go
to therapy for re, read a book about how to
emotionally regulate instead of just spew out all this vitriol
on your wives and your children and damage all of
these people's lives. I mean, I don't know, be proactive
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with your mental health.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
God no, because it's everybody else's fault except his. That's
Cody Brown for you. And then when Cody was talking
about wanting to elevate all of his other relationships to
the level where him and Robin's were at, Robin echoes
this and says this is what he communicated to her,
and then the other OG three wives are like, we
(19:50):
were never told that, and that's bullshit. Like I think
Janelle's like, that would have been nice to know. Mary says,
that's completely unfair and gross that you would think that
we need to be like Robin, because we're not going
to be like Robin, and Christine says it was a
flat out lie. So it's totally Cody just making up
some stupid excuse for how he treated the OG three
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wives over the last fifteen years or whatever because he
thinks it makes him look good. Oh, I tried really hard.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I tried to love these unlovable women, is basically what
he's trying to tell us.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He thinks that makes him look good, which is just
absolutely insane. And then we have Suki pulling up another
clip about the spiritual release that Mary got, Yeah, and
it's kind of opened up a conversation about the spiritual
release and the legal divorce that she did hmm several
years ago, so that way Cody could adopt Robin's kids,
(20:43):
which I thought was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Very interesting. So there's two issues within that that I
want to definitely get into. The first issue is around
the terminology of abandonment and how her release was granted
on the basis of that, and how that is just
a point that sticks in his craw and he can't
seem to accept and or acknowledge, and neither can Robin
(21:05):
that maybe there was some abandonment there. And the second
was around the catfish because it's like the thing that
they don't want to talk about right even now, and
Cody's talking about it without actually saying what it is,
and for anybody who's watched the show, we know what
he's talking about, and then Mary is still not able
to actually talk about it at all. I'm wondering if,
(21:28):
because we're talking about it a little bit now, whether
as we go on with the tell Nothings, she'll start
to open up about it. But it's still such a
point of secretiveness for her. She does not want to
acknowledge the fact that she was cheating. It didn't work
out in her favor because the man she was talking
(21:48):
to was a woman and this woman was taking advantage
of her, But it doesn't change the fact that she
was cheating. Yeah, and that is what Cody. That's how
Cody marks the end of their relations. So those two
things I thought were fascinating, very interesting and got me activated.
So the word, do you want to start with the abandonment.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Or with the We'll just go into the abandonment because
that was kind of what they started with and it
was kind of I don't know, it was frustrating because
I feel like we've talked about it a lot before.
But Mary is confused as to why Cody even cares
about what the church said, because Cody was saying to
her that he didn't leave her because of their religion,
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but then he doesn't even subscribe to the religion anymore,
so like, why.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you even care?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
No, he was saying that he didn't leave her because
of the religion, right, Oh is that what she said?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Maybe I heard you. Yeah, he didn't leave her because
of the religion. But at the same time or out
of the other side of his mouth, he's like, yeah,
but I don't care about the religion is a part
of it? Yeah? And is this where he's also talking
about being afraid to tell Mary that it was over
because he didn't know what her reaction was going.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
She was going to do? Yeah? And Mary's offended by
this because she like, what do you think I was
gonna do? Like this is crazy? And even Janelle echoes that.
She's like, are you trying to paint Mary as like
some psycho that is going to kill you or something
because you're leaving her? But Christine, yes, maybe it's a
comment about how everybody felt like they had to walk
around on eggshells around Mary because they didn't know if
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she was going to be good one day or bad
the next. So I'm like, Okay, where's the truth here?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, I think that Christine is telling the truth, but
that that's not specific to the subject that they were discussing. Yes,
throughout the course of all of their relationships, Mary was
hard to deal with, and we've talked about that, But
as it concerns the breakup of her marriage with Cody
and Cody being allegedly afraid, what she's talking about doesn't
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make any sense. And I just personally, and I don't
know how you feel about it or anybody else, I
felt like it wasn't her place to say that, or
to try and attribute like history of their relationships back
from the eighties and nineties in the eye, like try
to pin that on Mary during the breakup of her
and Cody's marriage. I agree that felt a little mean,
and it seemed like Christine started to walk it back
(24:09):
a little bit. Well, but she's made so many changes,
she's person I know she's really trying hard. That comes
off a little bit condescending to me. What with the
changes you're making, Christine, What about all the mistakes that
you've made.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, for real, I thought that was kind of a
mean comment to make, because she does say like, oh, well,
Mary is a different person now, she's grown a lot.
I'm like, okay, then why are you saying that? Yeah?
Because if that was Mary when she was nineteen twenty
something or whatever, when she was her frontal lobe wasn't
fully developed and she was emotionally unregulated. I don't think
that's fair to compare that version of Mary to forty
(24:44):
something year old version of Mary or.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Fifty year old mar fifty Cody, you weren't even around
for that. I mean, you were around obviously in Flagstaff
for a period of time, and you were around in Vegas,
and so I'm sure you were privy to what was
happening in their relationship, but you weren't around for their
final conversations. You weren't around for when Cody would have
been afraid yeah, because he told her yeah and they
broke up, So like, why are you speaking on it now?
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That did not seem fair to me.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, it didn't at all. And I liked Janelle's point
of view on it because she was just like Cody,
just be an adult like you can just talk to
her like a person. And I think even Mary says
something to you to the effect of, like, it's okay,
if he changed his mind and like fell out of
love with me or whatever, I wish he would have
just said that, like, then maybe we could have broken
things off. I could have married my banana person and
(25:30):
it would have been fine, you know what I mean,
really it would have been great. And so I thought
that was interesting that Janelle was kind of backing up
Mary in that regard about then Christine was being kind
of mean girl energy about it. And then we get
into the legal divorce and like whether or not Cody
and Robin had like an ulterior motive with that, Like
Sukie actually asks that question, which was kind of interesting.
(25:53):
But Cody starts off this conversation with like, well, after
the legal divorce, nothing changed. Everything was fine until something.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Happened that I don't want to talk about, which is
the catfish. We all know what it is, yes, which
it's just like, why are we talking about it?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Why is it?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like, well, because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he
really did want that legal divorce from Mary and that
he really did want to be married to Robin. He
didn't want to acknowledge the fact that maybe Robin had
started setting things in motions by perhaps mentioning to the
wives and the kids from time to time that it's
perfectly common in polygamist families to divorce one wife and
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Mary another to adopt their kids. He doesn't want to
acknowledge any of that because he's constantly in a defensive
posture about Robin, and so it's easier for him. It's
much more convenient for Cody to mark the beginning of
the end as the catfish, which happened after the legal
divorce by about what a year or something like fish
(26:52):
something like.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
That, Yeah, because he stopped hanging out with Mary at
that point in time and probably cut off intimacy after
the legal divorce, and then that was when Mary started
to become or feel neglected and then search elsewhere for
love and affection because Cody wasn't given her nun And
I mean, like, look, I understand that the catfish would
be like a marker of an end to or like
(27:15):
the beginning of the end of their relationship, because I mean,
once you start cheating or like looking elsewhere, it's like, yeah,
maybe your marriage is kind of doomed at that point.
You know, I get it, But at the same time,
Cody is totally shifting blame away from himself. But it
was interesting when we got into the legal divorce discussion
(27:37):
because Christine says something like Robin was the one planting
seeds in the family and saying, oh, this is very
common in polygamist families, and blah blah blah. Of course,
Mary's like, oh, I don't recall that, and Robin's like, oh,
I don't recall that. But Robin makes a comment about
how we knew that this was a thing that happened
(27:57):
in polygamists families because Cody's dad did it mm hm,
which means that he divorced Cody's mom to marry Janelle's mom.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Or the other wife. It could be the other wife
or the third named Bobby. I forget what her name is. Yeah,
I don't know if when when married Janelle's mom Cheryl. Yeah,
I mean Janelle was a full grown woman, so I'm
not sure that he adopted any of her kids, but
maybe there were some littles that he did adopt. I
don't know the history or the lare there, but he
(28:25):
did have another wife and it could have been that wife, yeah,
that Robin is referring to, but like she's like, I
never talked about that. But then she's like, but I
do know that it happened, and Suki says, well, Christine's
the one who said she heard it, and then Robin
pulls a funky face and she's like, okay, mm hmmm,
because she hates she hates Christine, and Christine is staying
(28:46):
on her back, staying on that.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I kind of love it, honestly, like, bring more of
that Caddy energy. Let's fight yep, Let's fine, yep. And
then what else do we talk about with the legal divorce? Oh,
Robin said that Mary only got a release because of
what she said.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right, because she was asked directly, did Cody abandon Mary?
And Robin takes the moment, how am I going to
answer this so that it will seem the best for
me and I can get out of this unscathed, and
she does basically say that, you know, Mary's the one
that went got the release. Mary's the one that's going
to tell the story according to her perspective, and so
(29:24):
she got the release that she asked for based on
the grounds that she asked for whereas Mary's like, that's
not what I did. Yeah, I went. I told him
what had happened and how the relationship was, and they
were the ones that designated that the grounds would be abandonment.
Cody can't believe that, No, and Robin doesn't believe it either. Well,
(29:46):
I think Robin does believe it, but she won't acknowledge
it because Robin, you know full well that when COVID
happened and Mary was in Flagstaff, that she was alone
all the time. You know that Cody did not visit her,
didn't want to visit her, and or did you visit
her or your kids who Mary bought that or rented
that place because it had the jungle gym and all
(30:06):
the things in the back, and your kids were supposed
to come over all the time and play at Mary's house,
but you never went there. You know that woman is neglected, yep.
So it's really foul for you not to acknowledge that
at least Mary could have felt that way.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But no, no, she can't at all. And then she
even defends Cody by saying that he was actually a
very present husband for you. I'm like, for you your kids. Yeah,
what about his kids.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
He didn't talk to any of Janelle's kids during COVID
for what did the boys say, like seven or eight months? Yeah,
at least they didn't see him. And then after you
have that big fight with Janelle over Christmas and she
kicked you out of her dormitory apartment, you didn't even
call Savannah for a month. What did Havana do, little
angel Savannah? You don't care about those kids. So Robin, yeah,
he's real present for you and your family, and you
(30:56):
know this, I know that's what makes her evil.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, And it's like we have tried in our own
way to like look at Robin like, well, maybe she
was kind of innocent in some parts, maybe not, but
after this one on one, I'm like, no, confirmed, you
are so evil. You will never change and you will
always defend Cody and you will always play the victim
because you can't ever be wrong, and like, you can't
(31:21):
deal with the heat of being the favorite wife and
the wife that took Cody away from his entire family
of seventeen freaking kids.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What would it cost you, like honestly to just say
you know what, Yeah, I think from time to time
the schedule was unequal or there were times one wife,
you know, saw Cody more than others, and yeah it
was often me, but that's because he had his stuff.
You're like, what would it cost you to just admit
to some of these things? Right? But you don't admit
to any of these things, not even that Mary was neglected,
(31:53):
which she was.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, you're gonna say that he was a present husband
because you're running defense for him, which we all know
is a freaking lie. But like whatever, and then.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I can we go? Can we go back a little
bit to the legal divorce. The night of the legal divorce,
Cody had said, inappropriately and crudely, according to Mary, that
they had you know, he gave her a ring or
a watch or a necklace and then they had sex,
which Mary's like, that's not appropriate. I don't know why
he's talking about that. We had an agreement we wouldn't
(32:23):
talk about bedroom stuff, but he was saying it to
illustrate that. No, everything was great. I was really happy
with her and nothing changed. Yeah after that, nothing changed,
Like he made a point to say that. Yeah, and
he's like, until Mary started getting involved in something that
I won't talk about and she kicked me out of
the house, and so the way that he's kind of
(32:46):
setting it up, and I just want to admit that
I haven't watched all of those episodes, so I'm not
sure what actually happens during the Catfish. But the way
he's setting it up is like he's over at Mary's
house one night and she's like, I want you to leave,
and he can hear her somewhere in the house talking
to somebody and giggling on the phone. Yeah, the way
(33:08):
he laid it out in this conversation was he was
already feeling betrayed, and I'm like, why were you feeling betrayed?
So did you know about the catfish? Because there is
the theory and the rumor that Robin and her friend
Grenya knew that Mary was talking to this woman who
was pretending to be a man, and that Cody had
(33:29):
that information. So were you lying in bed in Mary's
house pretending you didn't know about the catfish, feeling betrayed
and listening to her giggle? Like what did you think
of that?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think that was all a lie to pain himself
as this victim. That was this husband that was very
present and cared about Mary so much and loved her
so much, and then he was shocked and chagrined that
she was cheating on him with somebody that he found out,
and then he got kicked out of the house. I
was actually reading about this on Reddit because I haven't
seen all of the episodes either, but I kind of
(34:02):
remember when all this stuff happened. Mary didn't kick him out.
She just said she needed space, and so he took
it as he's getting kicked out because it's Cody Brown.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
After all. When he wants to be kicked out, he
doesn't want to be with Mary. A little thing is
going to be that catalyst.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, so I think he's just spinning the whole catfish
situation to work in his favor. That Mary betrayed him,
which I mean it is a little bit of a betrayal.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But if after the divorce, you stopped paying attention to her,
like maybe you guys banged that night and you gave
her a necklace or whatever, but then did you just
ghost her? Were yeah gone? Did you still visit her?
Did you still prioritize the relationship?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It sounds like you didn't. And so over time she
got caught up with the catfish because she was neglected
because you abandoned her exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
So it's just one of those really messy things. And
this is where I think Suki asks Janelle specifically if
she thought that Cody had like an old ulterior motive
with the legal divorce and everything, and Janelle says she
doesn't think Cody was smart enough to like scheme his
way into convincing Mary to divorce him so that way
(35:12):
he can marry Robin. And I wonder if there's some
truth to that, because we've talked about like if Cody
was smart enough to come up with this plan.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, but she didn't say Robin wasn't smart enough. See that,
she didn't say Robin wasn't sophisticated enough. That was the
thing that was left unsaid. Yeah, that was something I inferred.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I just thought it was an
interesting comment on Janelle's part. And then the last clip
that we see is like a montage or clip of
Janelle and Cody at Josephinees Bistro and the Attic where
they were officially breaking up their relationship. And this is
where Janelle says in her talking head that Cody, by
(35:52):
Polygamus standards is a total complete thing failure.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I just love it, and I love that he had
to watch the clip and you could just see his face,
says he's watching it for probably the second time. Yeah,
called the failure, and he is a failure. And Janelle
goes on to say, objectively, in our faith, in our culture,
he is a failure of a husband. But he cannot
take responsibility, even within a structure or a religious framework
(36:17):
that he no longer subscribes to. He cannot take responsibility
and admit that he failed, not at all.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And she talks about his ego too, like he can't
deal with it because of his massive ego. And then
this is where Cody responds. He's like, well, she likes
to throw around words like ego and failure because it's
just buzzwords and everything, but like, it's not my failure.
It's actually a shared failure. It's everyone's failure in the family,
not me, because I can't be the one to take
(36:43):
any responsibility. And Robin echoes this as well, that they're
all failures.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's not just Cody, right, Because Suki asks her directly,
do you think Cody is a failure and she kind
of laughs, yeah, Well the answer is yes. Of course,
and so she covers from and she's like, I think
we're all failures. Ever the diplomatic answer. I wish somebody
would have said, Okay, well how have you failed? I know, right,
Like what was the mistake that you made? Like where's
(37:09):
your ownership in any of this?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
She probably would say some bullshit like I love too much?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, probably I'm too awesome.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, I cared too much about the family.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah. My weakness is that I'm so strong.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, exactly, like that exactly. And then this is where
we see like Robin, she can't even watch the clip.
We see her like Grimace and not even look at
the TV the entire time, and Sukie calls her out
on its, like why can't you just watch the clips though? Ho?
And Robin's like, it's just too disturbing, so toxic to
(37:42):
watch everybody talk crap about of each other. It makes
me so.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Sad watching people that you love talk crap about each other.
I'm like, well, no, they're also talking crap about you, though, Yeah,
And you have a distinct inability to watch them talk
about you and your part in this entire mess because
you don't want to have to admit it confront it,
deal with it, or talk about it, because you are
(38:07):
a coward, dude, you throw the stones and you hide
your hands, and then you blame everybody else.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yep, you can't take the heat. No, And then we
kind of end the episode with Janelle saying she can't
decide if the way Cody's acting, like him being a villain,
is all like his own ego trip because he can't
deal with being a failure, or if he's running interference
for Robin and taking some of the blame off of her,
(38:35):
which I thought was kind of interesting. I don't know
if Cody would be willing to be the villain for
Robin's sake, but he does defend her a lot. And
he did say was it this season or last? I
forget because there's been so many fucking episodes about him
being the devil, He'll become the devil.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think that was last season.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I think that both of those things are true. I mean,
obviously Cody has a massive, malignant, out of control ego,
can't take responsibility, can't look at himself and see himself accurately.
This we all know. But I do think even if
it's unconscious and reactive, I do think that he becomes
more hyperbolic and bombastic in order to sort of take
(39:20):
the attention off of Robin. Because as dumb as Cody
is at he doubledick, he'd a dubad. He knows that
Robin has been the one he's got to know on
some level, and I think he's pretty conscious to the
fact that Robin has been the one that's been turning
the head. She's the neck turning the head. And I
was just thinking in my imagination as I was watching this,
(39:43):
I could just see them in bed at night talking
about things like the money. How are we going to
be able to get this home? How do we get
the women to give us the proceeds from the sale
of their homes. I could see them scheming, and I
think she's the one who is in more control, but
I think he's complicit. Yeah, so if that's true, I
(40:03):
can see him villainizing himself or becoming this ogre of
a person so people don't necessarily focus on Robin. But
he's not good at it. Yeah, He's just such a
cartoon character about it. And she's so cold and calculated
that it doesn't take somebody in mensa to recognize that
she's the one that's behind it all.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, I could see that. I guess it's just like
he if he is consciously trying to be the villain
to take the heat off of Robin. He still hates
being the villain though, like he still can't take any
account of that ego. It is the ego, So yeah,
you're probably right, it is a bit of both. And
I just thought it was interesting that, like Janelle seems
to be the one to call him out on his bullshit,
(40:45):
like she's the one that hits him where it hurts
the most, because you know, he's just sitting there thinking
about it all day, that Janelle thinks that he's a failure,
and that Janelle's calling him out for his big ass ego,
Like you know, he's thinking about that more than anything else.
Because I think Janelle's one that yes, hm, yes, and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I love it too. I thought there was not enough
Janelle in this episode. I thought that there was too
much Cody, yep. And I just feel like it's Janelle
that has got to be holding the most resentment towards
Cody as a result of everything that's happened, especially Garrison.
It's Janelle that would have the ability to tap into
(41:27):
this primal feminine rage that I think we all feel
when we watch this together, like or male rage, but
like this rage inside of her. And I'm like, say
more though, like talk about that. And I know we're
not talking about Garrison, and I can respect and understand that,
but there are so many other things peripheral to that
that you can say. And I wish you would say I.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Know, I wish they would all say it. I'm just like,
just let it out.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I mean, Janelle spending a lot of time laughing about it,
like I don't know why I didn't tell me. Hahuh No,
don't laugh.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
No, why aren't you mad?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Why aren't you getting your brass knuckles out? Why aren't
we beating him down? I know, talk to me about that.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I need the Janelle from last season where she was
telling Cody to fuck off.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yes, bring more of that. That's the energy we want
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yes, ma'am. And then we have the preview for the
next tell Alls to come, where we have Christine saying
that polygamous man that loses three wives, that has three
wives leave him is a total failure, Like this is
a problem with the man, not the women. Harriod, Harriet
point blank, Janelle saying that she thinks Cody has made
himself more of a villain to take off the heat
(42:30):
from Robin. And then Mary talking about how she was
shocked that Cody cried when she was moving, so we
want to talk more about that, okay. We have Christine
saying Cody picked favorites and he was the one that
ended the era and he should look in the fucking mirror.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
M M.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
We have Janelle saying Cody started telling everybody that she
was the one that controlled the money and that this
is just a tactic of Cody's that he hits all
of the wives where they hurt the most, their pain points.
Cody saying that apparently sex and money are now on
the tables. That's why he's going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It because you put it on the table.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
But he's saying that the other wives put it on
the table.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Okay, but it was you who put it on the
table exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
And then we talk about Robin putting on makeup and
camping again. Oh why, I'm just like, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
We get it.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Cody likes a pretty.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Woman, he tell nothings of that. We just need a
couple of tell nothings getting to the actual good stuff.
We don't need the regurgitation and the repeating of all
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I know, I don't get it. And then we have
Janelle saying that if she had a one year long
courtship like Cody Robin did, then she probably wouldn't have
married Cody.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Oh, I loved that, which was great. Yeah, and that's it. Okay, Well,
this was kind of all over the place. I'm really
curious as to how they edit it, because you have
some of the wives and or Cody answering some of
the things that another person said, and I'm like, well,
who said what first? Did they actually hear the entire SoundBite?
(44:03):
It would be so much better and more cohesive if
we were all just in the same room, for God's sake,
But we're never going to get that. I was listening
to a short video by Nikki Haverstock and she was
saying that this tell nothing or these foretel nothings were
filmed I think October first or second of twenty twenty four,
(44:25):
just two weeks after the news of Christine's lawsuit came out.
Before they purchased the new McMansion and while the old
McMansion was still up for sale, and so she was
wondering if some of the agro energy were getting from
Cody and Robin is because they've just been sued. Bitch,
(44:47):
I could see it. And their house isn't selling and
where are they going to move to? And so maybe
that's why there's some feelings around that, which I thought
was a very salient and interesting point.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, but why are we filming a reunion in effect,
like eight months before the season ends? Like, why aren't
we filming the reunion after everybody on the cast has
had an opportunity to actually watch the episodes and see
what people are saying. But like, why are we doing
(45:21):
it this way? I just don't understand these decisions, TolC.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Why are we getting footage from two years ago in
a season of twenty five episodes and we have all
of these talking hits that are filmed at different periods
of time cobbled together to make it seem like it's
all cohesive, Like it's all of the editing in this
entire season. The last couple seasons has been atrocious.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I'm so over it. I am probably gonna get a
season twenty.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Dude, No, we are getting a season twenty because there
has been footage of them filming.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well, people talked about about how this was going to
be the end, and people are gonna they're gonna cancel
the show, blah blah.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I don't think so. I think it was also Nicki
Havrs who said she heard rumors that they're going to
be airing season twenty starting in fall this year, like
in a couple of months. Beatrice, Oh, yeah, we're gonna
have a bit of a break. Gone, and like two
or three months of a break and then we are
straight into season twenty, and I'm just like, well, what
are we talking about? Though? I know, like, I get it,
(46:18):
we've got Coyote pass. I get that that's not been
resolved as of a year ago, which is when season
twenty would cover. That would be the timeline they're covering,
But like, what else is there? Because Christina's already been married?
Goddamn yeah, Like we don't need to see another Valentine
or Christmas with Christina and David.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
What's happened of any interest or import that we would
have to have a full season.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Beaty, I don't get it. I'm so tired of it,
but I'm still gonna watch it.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
But maybe it would be a different type of Sister Wis.
Maybe there's not gonna be any Cody and Robin. Wouldn't
that be magical and wonderful.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
From your lips to God's ears? But it's not gonna
happen because they are broke af and they need the
pay checks.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Oh my god, that reminds me. I checked out the
Sister Wives ratings. It's in my phone, but they have
dropped majorly. I talk about it in the after show, yeah,
because I'm always checking it to see like are people
still interested? When are and like what does the graph
say when did like interest fall off? And it was
interesting and I want to talk about it, so let's
(47:19):
save it for the after show. Yeah, And we have
a few things again to talk about in the after show.
We've got ratings, We've got a video that we want
to go over with you. We've got a speig pipe.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
So if you're one of them Patreon raccoons, you hang
on because more is coming. But is there anything else
that we need to say to all of these raccoons
beatus before we get a bought out of here.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Well, if you love our podcast, please go to your
favorite podcast platform and leave us a glowing five star review.
Really helps us grow the pod some more people can
join us in the dumpster, and we really appreciate it,
so thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
We will be back later this week to very reluctantly
and filled with hate, will we be talking about poly
Family airing on TLC for some unknown We'll also be
back next week, of course, to continue our coverage of
Sister Wives. Until then, please do not forget that we
have done.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
It would love for you and please enlighten them
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