July 2, 2025 • 41 mins
We are back in Season 6, when the Browns pretended to be one big, happy family in their cul-de-sac compound. All the mom's and mom-in-law's are in town for a TLC Produced Mother's Day celebration, and Kody is already over it. Join us in the VIP Dumpster on Patreon for an exclusive after show where we discuss the tell-all with Tamryn Hall and the drunken drama over on Welcome to Plathville!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one
of your hosts, Delia, and I'm back with the Beautiful
and the bodacious, bea Dresscious. We are here to talk,
sister wives.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We can't quit this show.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We are going into the brown A Kashik Records, Honey,
through the Rolo Decks, and into the archives as we
get back into season six, back to the Call de Sac,
back to all that commitment, ceremony, mission statement, everyone, and
I'm excited about it. Before we get into it, we
do have to issue you a disclaimer. Please hide your
(00:45):
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(01:38):
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Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Now, we do want to tell you that we are
having an after show after this recap. After show after
party is just for the vip raccoons on Patreon now.
The reason we're having an after show this time is
because apparently there was an episode yeah, between episode ten,
which was the last one we covered for season six
in our rewinds, and this episode which is at episode twelve,
(02:25):
in which the Browns sit down with our Queen tammeron
hall Yeah and have a tail all it's base. Now,
we had decided we weren't going to watch the tail
all we were just going to get to the next
piece of content, episode twelve, but now I know we
should have watched it. Beatrice did watch it, and apparently
it was very good. And so in the after show
we're going to be recapping a little bit of the
(02:46):
tail all. And plus we have some news about Micah
Plath and Isaac Plath, those drunk ass brothers who had
a big fight and there was some terrible things that happened,
and about the upcoming season of Welcome to Plaithfill that
we got to talk about. We also want to go
for the Sister Wives ratings, yeah, because I think they're interesting.
They're so we're gonna you're giving it away. So we're
(03:11):
going to reserve all of that for the after show
and if you want to see that after show and
any of our other uncensored and awesome content. Again, all
I guta is go to bed, yo. Yeah. Now let's
catch everybody up as to kind of what we're doing
in season six at this time. Yeah. So, in case
you don't remember, we have just moved into the cul
de Sac, yes, or as Christine calls it in this episode,
(03:33):
the plague disac the compound. Yes, it's been about five
months and while the children are integrating and they seem
really happy to be proximate once again. Unfortunately, these wives
are not seeming to blend so well.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, big yikes. Yeah, kind of like what Mary predicted,
because Mary was a bit worried about moving into the
cul de Sac and how everyone would adjust because they
had been apart from each other for two two years,
completely separate, barely seeing each other, and now they're all
proximate and they can see specifically where Cody is spending
his time. And Mary predicted it, and she was right.
(04:13):
It doesn't seem like anybody's happy, really, except maybe Janelle
because she's getting her back blown out.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
In Vegas Renaissance sexual Renaissance sexual.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, and Rose, well.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
She's getting everything everything, Why wouldn't she be happy? Of course,
So this is season six, episode twelve, entitled.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Mother in Law Invasion. It's Mother's stapit. Yeah, and we've
got moms on moms on moms, so many moms, and
Cody has all these plans that were fed to him
by the production company of TLC, So we're gonna have
to go with him through this day. Yeah, and hear
a lot of conversation about how great Cody is, how
he needs to be giving himself more.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Kreta, you're doing so you're perfect. You're perfect, Bonnie says.
Bunny says you're perfect, which is wild, Bonny, is something
wrong with you? Who would do?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, she is Mary's mom, that's true. Rest in peace, Bonnie.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yes, and I'm sure you're were fantastic, Sure, but like
I wasn't understanding some of what she was talking about
in this episode. Don't get it, but without further ado,
take it away, Beatrice.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
All right, girl, Well we are at the Cold de Sac.
We are adjusting to life in the cold a Sac,
and we hear from everybody on the couch how it's
been going. It's not been smooth sailing like you had said.
The kids are adjusting, but the adults are not. And
Christine has the balls to just come out and say it.
And she's like, my life's sad, like I am not happy.
(05:39):
I'm not laughing, but it's like she's just sad. YEA.
Everybody seems kind of shocked that she just came out
and said it. She verbalized it, but it's like man,
as soon as they went to Vegas, like she's just
not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I got the impression that Christine liked to wait for
these moments on the couch to just like drop these
emotional bombs maybe and kind of like destabilize the situation
and whatever the family message was, because everybody did seem
to be surprised, and you know, she started kind of crying,
and she's like, I thought, at this point, like five
(06:15):
months in the cul de sac, I would be closer
with my sister wives. I thought we'd be like going
to restaurants and we'd be keeking, and we'd be like
building our relationships. But that's just not happening. And they
never really articulated why that might be. They talked around
that a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
They do that a lot. Yeah, it's like so annoying,
Like just say the full thing. You're gonna say that
your life is sad?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Why? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is it because Cody's never rounded your house, he's not
boanking you. Is it because the wives hate you? Like
what's going on? But no, we just have her kind
of tearing up. She says life is sad. I think
Cody says something like we're really struggling because we still
feel kind of separate because we were separate for the
last two years, and so there's a lot of healing
that needs to be done, and this kind of sets
(07:01):
up a conversation for what's going to happen later in
the season where they do their little standard TLC recommitment ceremony,
which now I'm kind of convinced that these ceremonies that
TLC does on these family shows like John and A
Plus Kid and Sistervives, like they're cursed because ends up,
like the family ends up breaking up and never coming
(07:23):
back together.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, And I think every single vow renewal on Bravo,
like when a couple renews their vows, like every single
one of those couples has since divorced except maybe one.
But like, yeah, I think it is cursed. And I
also just think it's manufactured, just like the mission statement
is manufactured, just as this Mother's Day is manufactured. I
think the commitments ceremony is going to be much of
(07:45):
the same.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's kind of crazy, like even in my personal life,
like when my dad and my stepmom got married, we
had like this weird like blending family ceremony, and we
like it was something like mixing all the sands of
our families together because they got married on the beach
and now none of.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Us talked truly. Yes, Oh, it's like.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's fine, but it's just kind of funny, how like
maybe these ceremonies are cursed. Maybe you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't know, it could be. I mean they talk
a lot about manifesting, yeah, and being the architects of
their lives, but I'm like, well, what are you actually
manifesting though, because as soon as you guys got into
your very expensive and large homes, you just stop talking
to each other. And the vibe that I was getting
watching this and honestly this entire season is like Cody
(08:31):
is already tired of the bullshit. Oh, she's very much
tired of the drama amongst the wives, and he's looking
to find a way to have them resolve their crap
without him having to facilitate the entire thing. Of course,
he does seem a bit exhausted, so when he's talking
in these later seasons eighteen nineteen, when he's talking about
like I just couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, like it
(08:52):
was never okay, there was always some sort of a problem.
I can kind of see that with some of the
stuff he's saying and some of the things that we're seeing,
it's like, why can't you women just get it together?
And later in this episode, when we get to the
mother in laws and they're talking about their perspective on polygamy,
you can see why it's hard to get your shit
together though, Yeah, because polygamy is hard.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's so hard, yeah, and it's not great for the women.
Like the women end up feeling like really shitty about themselves,
about their relationships and everything. Like it's just not a
healthy dynamic at all. So like, of course, like the
women wouldn't really be good friends, but then there's probably
like some cattiness, especially on Mary and Robin's side at
(09:34):
this time. That's kind of the vibe I was getting
from Mary Ann Robin. And then just like, you know,
the obvious discrepancy with like Cody just being so in
love with Robin and not into the other wives. I
could totally tell Cody was just like, oh my god,
I just have to get through the cameras. Like even
this whole episode where he's like shopping for mother's stay
(09:55):
present and then cooking breakfast with all of his kids
and stuff for all of these women in his house,
he did not seem into it at all, And this
obviously wasn't his norm, Like, if the cameras weren't there,
he couldn't have done any of them.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
No, I don't think so as well. So they've become
aware of the cameras. This is a job for them,
This is how I would assume they're making the majority
of their money. And as soon as we get to
that place with a reality television show, things just start
to get bad and you can kind of see it.
Are you watching Love Island? I've been hearing all of
(10:28):
the craziess So I've watched a little bit of Love
Island here and there. I am watching the current season,
but like, all of the contestants have come on to
Love Island this year, and they're all self aware, and
they're all producing themselves, and they're very much into the
strategery of it all, being very strategic and hooking up
and coupling up and closing it off right away as
(10:49):
opposed to like coming there to find love and being
authentic on camera. And it's totally derailing the entire season,
and America is unhappy. And this is the kind of
thing that I think pollutes shows that start out really well, yeah,
you've got like ninety day fiance with like people coming
onto the platform like with their storylines intact, wanting to
(11:11):
show a specific thing, but not being really who they are.
So I do agree with you, Like I can see
that in Cody, like running from house to house to
house to house to house, like performing yet NonStop for
the audience. It's lame.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's super lame. And in the context of this family,
I can imagine how like disappointing and heartbreaking it would
be to be living this life on reality TV where
like you're portraying that your family is fine and you're
happy and like you're trying to work things out and
everybody loves each other, but then behind the scenes off
(11:43):
the camera, like everybody fucking hates each other. Cody has
a favorite wife already, Like I could imagine just how
bad these women are feeling right now. It's the tension
in the air is thick.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It is, honey, it is thick.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It is. And so after we kind of talk about
the cul de sac and how everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Said except the kids, except for the kids did seem happy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Robin and Cody, then we have a family discussion with
the adults where they talk about how they're going to
pay for the older kids's college tuitions, and this is
where we talk about like Leon and how Leon really
wants to go to Westminster because it's their dream job,
even though it's insanely.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Expensive, certainly compared to in state tuition at UNLV. Yeah,
I think they were saying that they're paying like seven
thousand a year for Logan U, but for Leon it's
going to be twenty eight thousand a year, so twenty
thousand dollars more.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Which is crazy, absolutely crazy. But they're trying, at least
on camera, to figure out a way to pay for
Leon's college. And you can tell like Cody's kind of
frustrated about this situation. Mary is of course sticking like
digging her heels in. It's like, well, but I really
want me on to go to the school because it's
(13:01):
really important to them, And I think Cody brings it
up immediately. He's like, well, Mary, how about you just
pay for Leon's college.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, but let's talk about this, because for the first
time since maybe ever, I was like one hundred percent
team Cody here, Oh for sure, because Cody's like, I
don't want our kids to be taking out a bunch
of crazy loans, you know, in order to study for
a specialty that they're not going to get out and
actually practiced, and they'll have to be slaves to debt.
And I don't want that. And also like, why would
we be indulging one child over all of our other
(13:32):
kids and how are we going to pay for this?
And so yeah, Mary, if you want your child to
go to a private school that is going to cost
that much more than you should be thinking about how
you can come out of your own pocket. Because Janelle's
sitting over here with six kids. All these kids are
going to be going to college, She's going to have
to fund that. I assume she's going to have to
come out of her pocket some So why shouldn't you Mary?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I was actually surprised that Cody was advocating on
behalf of Christine and Janelle because he literally said, like,
we have two women who are supporting six kids each,
Like why should we have to take money out of
the family pot for just Leon? And I think Cody
had said something like he didn't want to have to
sacrifice the other children's educations in specific, yes, just to
(14:17):
pay for Leon's stuff. And Mary kind of puts up
a little bit of a fight, and it's like, well,
but I contribute equally to everybody else, Like why can't
people help out with me and Leon?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And it's like, yeah, but you receive equally to what
everybody else gets as well, and do your resources go
a lot farther because you only have one child exactly,
you have the ability to save money and have a
college fund, whereas Janelle does not because she's got these
six kids and she's also contributing the same amount, so
that doesn't really jive.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's like the same kind of conversation we had when
they were building the cul de Sac homes, where it
was like, Mary shouldn't be resorted to having just a shack,
like a tiny, like one bedroom house. But at the
same time, it's like, is it really fair that you
get this giant house when you only have one child
who's literally.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Gonna move out any right in a few months.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Like when everybody else has to make sacrifices, and by
everybody else, I mean only Janelle and Christine because Robin
doesn't have to make sact prices, Like, I don't know,
it's just kind of weird to me that Mary holds
so tightly to that, like she I think she value
puts value in herself with the monetary stuff, Like if
(15:26):
she doesn't get the same money as all the other wives,
then maybe she thinks she's not worth ye same.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
She's not as valuable because she doesn't bring as much
to the table. But that's really not the argument here.
It's about what everybody else has to contribute for your
one child exactly, while we have all of these other kids.
And I'm sorry, you're the one who made the choice
though to be a polygamist, and you guys all made
the choice though to have seventeen children in this family,
and you have to financially plan for that. And Mary,
(15:53):
you don't get preferential treatment because your one child wants
to go somewhere in Utah and be around people that
they can marry and be ultimately a sister wife, which
is what Lean is saying they want to do. So
Mary has to have a come to Jesus moment. I
think everybody is within their rights to say no to
her agreed, But then they call Leon.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Into the room, which I thought was really inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I thought it was very manipulative because Leon is I
think eighteen seventeen or eighteen at this point, and they're
going to be a kid about it. Yeah, Oh they're immature.
They're only going to be thinking about themselves. And so
they sit them down and they ask what they think,
and Leon immediately, as usual, just starts to cry.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I know, like a spoiled only kid. I'm sorry, but
that's exacutely it is. It's like you're just crying about
not getting your way and being told no. Like I
just thought it was so annoying, and I'm just like,
stop crying because you're crying about wanting to.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Be around privileged church. For real, you're crying about privilege,
total privilege and having way more privilege, and and your
other siblings in the family. Like that's what you're crying about.
And there's no other option, no, exactly, absolutely can't go
anywhere else except for a Westminster privilege.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Such privilege, such a baby about it, and then just
talking about how they want to be a sister wife
and they want to marry a polygamist man and they
want to be around people that are in their same
faith in their same church, only to like two or
three years later after this come out as gay and
then later like have a partner and then you don't
(17:34):
even want to be in this lifestyle anymore, which good.
I don't want you to be a polygamist or anything.
But it's just like so stupid ye them to cry
about it in front of the whole family. And then
of course Robin, like being the savior of the family,
is like, well, we'll do everything that we can to
try and get you there. We'll make sure we didn't
realize how important it was to you.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But when you look back at this from the lens
of season nineteen and Marry telling us in one of
her interstitials that she was the one who funded all
of Leon's university, she was the one who purchased Leon's vehicle,
it feels like the family actually never ended up contributing anything.
(18:15):
To lean to me, what would be fair is okay,
So if we're paying seven thousand a year for Logan, yeah,
we're gonna pay seven thousand a year for you Leon,
and then the twenty thousand extra you can get a job.
Your mom can come out of her pocket for it,
like you can figure it out on yourself. I would agree,
by yourself, but that would be fair. But I don't
even think the family.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Did that probably not honestly, which is kind of crazy,
isn't that crazy? And maybe like that's where Mary's feelings
are a little bit justified. Like, Okay, nobody's gonna help
pay for any of my shit, Like I have to
pay for my web bar, I have to pay for
Leon's college, I have to pay for Leon's car and everything. Like,
I get it, But like, at the same time, what
(18:55):
is fair? And Leon's getting more though exactly m hm,
that's the Yeah, they're getting more, the other kids are not.
And I wonder how the other kids feel about that,
Like even now to this day, I wondered watching this, yeah,
because I mean, it seems like Leon has a good
relationship with some of their siblings and stuff. But I
just wonder if there's like some hidden resentment, because if
I was one of these siblings, I would be a
(19:17):
little resentful.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I think Maddie and Aspen probably are.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I would be.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And if I recall correctly back in lehigh, I think
that Leon went to a separate, private homeschool situation than
the rest of the kids. That's crazy. I think from
the time that they were very little, Leon was getting
some sort of preferential treatment, and so yeah, that would
build resentment with the other siblings, and I do wonder
(19:41):
how they feel about it now.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I mean I would be like, dude, you're spoiled
as fuck. Yeah, you get whatever you want. All you
have to do is cry like it's kind of ridiculous
how spoiled they are.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And then we have the mother in law's and Cody's
mom arriving to Vegas for mother Thursday. We have Christine's
mom Annie, we have Bonnie and Cheryl and Cody's mom,
and Robin's mom Alice, which I don't think we've seen
much of.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I forget. I think she was around during the birth
of King Solomon. Oh, I know this stepdad was. I
thought I saw her in the background at some point,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, she was kind of interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
She was very interesting. She sounds just like Robin, just
like when she speaks him like whoa. It's super weird,
very very much so.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And there was a part where she was speaking like
later in the episode where she started to kind of
like well up like Robin.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I thought, so too him. Are you gonna start crying
right now? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I was like, what is happening like mother like daughter,
but we have the wives describing the mother in laws,
like Robin says that Bonnie has a really strong testament
to plural marriage. We have Janelle saying that she misses
her mom because she was really close in proximity to
her mom in Utah, and like I guess, her mom
(21:01):
was helping out with the kids a lot, and Janelle
really misses that because she doesn't have that in Vegas.
We of course know that Christine's mom, Annie left plural
marriage when Christine was like nineteen or something. And then
Robin's mom, of course, has been divorced similar to how
Robin was, and very similar actually, like Robin's mom divorced,
(21:27):
her biological father married her stepfather that became Robin's actual
father figure, which I'm like, hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Do you see what they're talking about when they mentioned
ancestral karma and how things are passed down generation to generation,
you can't really see it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I thought that was really crazy. And then Cody decides
to take all of the moms out shopping to some
like weird cracker barrel type.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's the same store that they went to when they
were getting those caramels. I know when they were being
duplicitous at Christmas.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's like a crazy liked podge type store.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's the one place they can go where they can
film probably so much word art, so much dumb.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It literally looks like a cracker barrel. To me, I'm
like where me? And he's getting like some like weird
decor items for each wife that he thinks they'll like,
and I'm like, these are stupid.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, but I think it's right up their alley. I
think they love word art. I think that this is
a perfect match. He picked something for Janelle that says
I kiss better than I cook.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And he thinks it's great and it's spelled wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Did you notice that I kiss better than t h
E N stop I cook? And he bought it because
he's dope.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They all don't.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They are all dumb. So he bought it for Janelle
and he's looking for different signs. I think he gets
a sign from Mary and something for Christine similarly, or
like she gets a bass, or so she gets a bowl,
she's a bowl. And then he sees this weird Harry
Potter clock for Robin and he immediately wants to get it,
but everyone all the mother in laws are like, well,
but like that's kind of more of a special gift
(23:04):
and you're just getting this whoe ass sign for everybody else,
and so you have to make sure that it's fair.
He's like, oh, so I have to think about my
wives and make sure the equity is there for all
of them when I'm selecting gifts. And his mom Janelle
or Janille, is like, yeah, you have to be fair.
That's the whole point of polygamy.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, and he's like saying that is like kind of
a joke. But then he doesn't end up taking her seriously.
He ends up getting the same yess that he wanted
to get at the store. And like with that sign,
I kiss better than I cook for Janelle, Like, Janelle's
mom was not didn't like it. She didn't like it.
She thought it was offensive and that it was not
a good gift. And Cody's like, no, it's actually a compliment. Yeah,
(23:42):
I'm not insulting her cooking. I'm saying that she's a
good kisser, right, I'm just like, Okay, dude, whatever, get
your booty ass gifts for your wives. And this is
like where we have some interstitials with the mother in
laws where they're talking about how Cody is kind of
a ding dong sometimes but they love him and they
think that he's earnest and a good person, which was
(24:04):
like age like milk, Yeah, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Then they go out for brunch, Yes, he takes all
the ladies out, and they have a conversation. And I
thought Annie Christine's mother was very, very intuitive in this
conversation because she's like, okay, with regard to the commitment ceremony, like,
what's that going to change with regard to the mission
statement that you are trying to create, how is that
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going to shift things in your family? And like trying
to get to the bottom of what the problem actually is.
And it felt like to me she's probably on the
phone with Christine quite a bit, yeah, and probably understands
that there's already some big problems in the family, so
she's trying to get Cody to address them, but he's
of course obtus Oh totally.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
And I think this is where we had like a
little talking head from Cody where he's saying that, you know,
some of his guy friends have really terrible mother in
laws that they hate, and then they have really good
mother in laws that they really enjoy, and Cody's like, well, see,
I have so many mother in laws that I relate
to all of them. But I'm not gonna say which
(25:07):
mother in law is my least favorite, because you know
I love them all equally.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm just like, that's interesting. Which one do you think
he has?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Hey, No, I think it's Annie.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think it's Annie because I think Annie is implying
that there are bigger issues here that they're not addressing
and trying to get him to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And I don't think he likes that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't think he likes that either. I don't think
he likes Annie. And I don't think he likes Janelle's
mom either, because yeah, because Janelle's mom, like we know
from season nineteen, was the one telling him to not
show affection in front of Janelle because that made her
feel bad, And we see her in this episode telling
him not to get a sign that she thinks is
(25:46):
offensive to her daughter and then he gets it anyway.
So I think he just doesn't like the mother in
laws that like call him out on his bullshit.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I think another layer to that could be that his mother,
Janille was also like really struggling when Cheryl entered the family.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Point.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, that's his bio mom. He probably knew that she
was having a really hard time. I'm wondering what actually happened.
It sounds like when like immediately started preferring Cheryl. Yeah,
and so Janille was having incredible jealousy, and maybe Cody
felt sympathetic to his mom and maybe he didn't really
like Cheryl because of that.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
See, And that's what's so crazy to me, is like
if that was true, Like, how could you look at
that situation with your mama, yeah, and then do the
exact same thing to these other women and be a
million times worse than your dad probably ever was, and
then not have any like self reflection and understood, Oh,
like I'm repeating a generational issue, Like no, you're just
(26:42):
going to continue to double down that you were the
perfect husband and everyone else sucks.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, he does not have the ability to see himself clearly,
because he's a narcissist in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
But then he also has these mother in laws like
gassing him up at the brunch being like Annie, don't
not Annie, but the other one Bonny did.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I know you're perfect, You're great. Is she the one
who's like, make sure that you look back at all
the things that you have accomplished and everything that you
have built, as opposed to looking at the future and
what you want to create and what you don't have
now yep, which was platitudinal and I get it, but
like she just seems to be blowing a lot of
smoke up his ass totally.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, And she was also saying, like, nobody understands the
real pressure that polygamists men have to be under to
have to manage all of their wives and deal with
the relationships and everything. And I'm like, oh, miss me
with that right, right? How hard is it for a
man to just be nice and be equitable with all
these other women?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like okay, yeah, And I also think she said something
like all the women in our community were always saying
that they would never want to be a man in
a polygamoust relationship. They were so grateful to be the
woman because the man has all of this responsibility and like, well,
what responsibility specifically? I mean, maybe does he have to
provide for them? He's got to have a job that
(27:56):
can support them, But like they do literally of everything else.
They got to crack open their legs anytime he wants it.
They got to take care of all of their children.
They've got to take care of the house.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
They get the money that they get, they've got to
make do with it. There's often abuse, like that's the shit.
I hate making it sound like polygamy is so fantastic
for the family when it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And then we have Cody making breakfast for all of
the women with all of the children's help, and it's
a fucking total chaotic mess and true Brown fashion. Cody's
like freaking out with his hair bouncing everywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Well, and Aspen and Maddie and Leon are the ones Cookie,
the older kids are the ones that are coordinating everything
and making sure it's all getting done well. He's tasting
things and basically being useless.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And trying to find the fuse that they blew. It
doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Where it is because he's not a manly man. He's
not a manly man. He does not do manly things.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I know, I'm more of a man than is. Absolutely,
just couldn't believe it. And then once they get the
breakfast all done, I mean, it looked great, don't get
me wrong, for the kids that they were making all
of the waffles and the fruit and everything. Then Cody
gives some like teary eyed testimony about how much the
wives and the moms and stuff mean to him, which
I felt like there was some maybe a little bit genuine.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Such a performance cry on cue. Well, he's taking lessons
from Robin. Yeah, so he knows how to cry on cube. No,
it did not seem sincere to me at all.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Well, and then we have the wives on the couch
and their little talking head and Christine calls him an
idiot in this segment. She's like, God bless him, but
he's a total idiot. I know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Robin is like, what are you talking about, Crody. She's like, yeah, Cody, dude.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And you know she went to Cody that absolutely night
and said this is what Christine said about you. Like
she immediately went against it. But I'm just like wondering
what the context of the wh Yeah, because it was
him giving this testimony and then right after that, Christine's like,
he's an idiot. M M.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
That must have been some editing on TLC's part.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But it's also how she feels and that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And I mean honestly it's true. Yeah, absolutly, Yeah, truth hurts.
And then we have Robin saying like, you just have
to remember that your husband's just a man.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Shut up. I always look at you know when she's talking,
because Janelle just like glazes over. She's like, this bitch
is talking again, therapists. Robin, thank you, the youngest of us,
all the one who cracked it open for all these
made to day of things, all that ditch you brought
into my family that I had to pay up. And
now you want to opine on this couch about Mary.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Shut up. I know lest me with that you've been divorced.
Was how you an expert?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I know, like I can't exactly, I can't. You and
your mama.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
St shut up straight up, dude. I wonder what their
dynamic is.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know. I was looking at miss Alice and
I'm like, there's something about you. I don't like. Demons
exist in the world, honey, and this something called a
family demon is past your ancestors down through the line,
and those women I'm just saying demonic. Those women have
an issue of a demonic nature.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
In my opinion, I agree, and then we have all
of the moms and mother in law's giving their own
testimonies and like experiences about okay, plural marriage. And I
just thought this segment was kind of weird because it
should have been something that was like happy and positive,
but it ended up getting kind of dark pretty quick
because we have Cody's mom talking about when she had
(31:31):
this testimony of plural marriage, she just didn't realize like
all of the pain that it would bring, and she
immediately starts crying, so does Janella's mom, Cheryl, and.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Cheryl says it was hell. It was hell hell. And
Cheryl talks about not feeling wanted in the family, and
then they pan to Robin. Yeah, and Cheryl's like, I
didn't feel like I fit into the family. Pan to Robin,
and Robin's got a little tear, yeah, because she can
relate because they don't accept me Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Which is kind of crazy because Cheryl was the second wife, right,
so obviously she was I.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Think she was the third. I think there was a
second Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Right, yeah, third, So maybe she was the one that
was preferred similar to like Robin. So I'm like, what
do you mean you weren't welcome in the family. You
were just not welcome with Cody's mom apparently. But Cody's
mom is kind of weird because she gives this air
like she's so loving and kind and positive. But I
(32:28):
feel like she was totally vindictive to Cheryl because Cheryl's crying,
and I can't remember Cody's mom's name, Janiel, Janille. God.
Every time, I'm just like, it's Cody's mom, Yeah, sex Janelle,
but Janiel, yeah, And I just they talk about how
it was so hard for many years and they had
to do a lot of work and a lot of
(32:48):
healing m hm.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And she talks about how Cheryl was a very good
business person, very savvy with business and money, and so
in bed and so when found himself over with Cheryl
is talking about business plans and everything, and so he
didn't spend as much time with Janille. But it's interesting
because if there is a second wife in between Janil
(33:11):
and Cheryl, then you would imagine that Genial had time
to acclimate and get used to having another woman around.
And so I think there's something specific about Cheryl that
bothered Janill. And I wonder if maybe Cheryl was a
little bit of a Robin. Maybe she loved having the
attention of Win. She would have known, wouldn't she, Because
(33:31):
Janil had ten children, so she would have known that
Winn was spending more time with her than with the
other wives. And so, just as Robin should have said
something to Cody at the time, like, hey, you're spending
too much time over here. You've got to go spend
some time with your other families, Cheryl maybe should have
been doing that as well and didn't do it. And
so maybe that's why Janille was a little upset. Maybe
I don't know, but it's obvious these women have been
(33:54):
through a battle and they've come out on the other side.
But they don't seem happy at all. They don't seem
really glad to be polygamous. They're very much along the
lines of this is suffering. We put it on the altar,
we're doing it for God. It's not because it's a
great situation.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, which is crazy because you'd think that they would
just talk about the positives of it in front of
the rest of the family. But no, we're going to
talk about how sad, painful and hellish it were.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Because I don't think you can get away from the
truth of what polygamy is right, and if you're going
to open up the discussion with these seasoned and wise
older women and you're going to talk about this that's
such a big part of their lives, well then some
things are going to come out. Yeah, that are going
to be important and meaningful. And I think the women
took the opportunity to do it. And honey, then we
got to Annie girl. Then we got to Annie, who
(34:41):
again is Christine's mother. Now she left Christine's father when
Christine was nineteen years old. She couldn't do that shit anymore,
and she went on her way. She was lost for
many years and she entered it. It sounds like she
entered into and out of monogamous relationships just trying to
(35:03):
find herself, but like it wasn't a good situation for her. Yeah,
you know, cut to Christine on the couch like, well,
I never knew that. I thought my mom loved her
sister wife. I thought we had such a great family.
So she was completely checked out of her mother's reality.
And when Annie left, Cody and Christine talk about how
they felt it was unsafe to have a relationship with her,
(35:27):
which is because maybe she'd try and take away their
kids or Annie would try to harm their family. And
was it Bonnie. I think it was Bonnie who told
Christine and Cody you got to let her see her grandbabies.
You got to keep her as a part of this family.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah. I think it was Bonnie or maybe Cody's mom too,
that said, like, this isn't fair for you to keep
her away from your guys's family. This is messed up.
And so Cody talks about how him and Christine would
reach out to Annie and she would reach back out
to them, and they were trying to work on their
relationship and they ultimately did. And Annie seems like the
kind of mom that you know, she doesn't approve of
(36:04):
your lifestyle, but she's just there because she loves you,
and she's just gonna be there for you until hopefully
one day you wake up out of the fog and
it ultimately does happen. Yes, I feel like Annie was
slowly like planting the seeds in Christine's head, like this
is not fucking healthy for you, because she can see
she could see her daughter was not happy. But Christine
(36:25):
at this time is in a bit of a denial
and still thinks that this is the lifestyle for her,
and that Cody's the man for her. And it's just
kind of a weird dynamic. I feel bad that Annie
was ostracized from her daughter's life just for making this decision,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
She's a powerful woman, and I think that's where Christine
ultimately draws her strength when she has to get brave
and to leave Cody herself, and she can look back
at the demonstration of her mother, who did it on
her own without the support of anybody, including you, Christine. Yep,
with that, the support of anybody, and she made it.
And so if Annie can do it, that means you
can do it. And Christine, you had any support when
(37:06):
you did it, so you were very blessed.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Indeed, I wonder if they had like a like a
conversation after she left Cody where she just was like,
I'm sorry, mom, you were right because I don't have.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
To hear about it.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
If so, I know right, hopefully that's in the book.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Maybe it is.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That'd be great. Yeah, But after everybody cries about how
polygamy is just awful and terrible, but you know it's
good because God called us to do right. Sacred suffering.
Then we kind of end with a message about love
and how they're still a family and they're going to
do their recommitment ceremony later this season because they really
need to get back to the core of who and
(37:42):
what they are, And that's how we kind of end
the episode.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, but again I say, they never really illuminate us
as to what the issue is. It's not the kids, Like,
it's not the children. The children are happy, they're so
glad to be together. The issue and it's there, like
it's underneath everything Cody's talking about. They're all kind of
acknowledging it on the couch, they're acknowledging it. We've got
(38:08):
Christine close to tears, Like the issue is what though,
Like are people fighting here? Is it like Mary and Janelle?
Are they fighting? Or are people already not getting time
with Cody whereas Robin is starting to get that time
in the cul de sac and everybody's looking out the
window and seeing who's getting what, Like what's happening right now?
We didn't actually learn what that was. Yeah, we just
(38:30):
continue to get the sense that Cody's over it and like,
you women need to figure this out because like if
I die are you going to still be a family?
Are you going to keep this together and intact? And
the answer looks like it's no. In season six, yep,
Like without Cody, they don't even want to be friends
with each other.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, and that's what's crazy, because he's saying this, and
I'm like, well, I guess I can see like there's
a divide obviously. I think like Christina and Janelle aren't
really good friends at this period of time, but they
get along with each other. And then there's Maria and Robbin,
like they're really is like a line in the sand
between the wives. There's obviously reasons for that though, because
Robin's a big old fucking bitch.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, and Christine and.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Janelle have clocked her. Mary is totally manipulated by her
and totally simple, and Mary.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Is a big taker. Like Mary is taking family resources,
she's wanting even more, and so there are fundamental problems.
Then you've got somebody like Janelle, who I think it
was the last episode that we covered in season six
was just telling the family I'm okay by myself. I'm
okay just studying real estate. I'm okay doing my thing
over here with my kids. I don't want to be
a part of my sister wives dumbass closet. I don't
(39:35):
want to be a part of all of this. It's
like Janelle is signaling very clearly where she stands, and
I'm just like, there are big issues in this family.
And Christine, of course, is just in her I want
to say immature, but just like in a very raw
way of expressing herself. She's not happy either. She's definitely
not getting that time with Cody. Every time he looks
(39:56):
at her on the couch, I just think he cannot
stand her. As soon as she he opens her mouth,
he's cringing. He does not like this woman.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh my god, he does not like her at all.
It is so obvious. He doesn't like Mary either though,
like anytime Mary talks, he doesn't really have a good
look on his face either. So it's just crazy to see.
And it's crazy to see that their justification back then
was just like they're separate, they're not a family, And
then it somehow morphs into season nineteen where like everybody
(40:24):
hates Robin and nobody wanted to be friends with Robin,
and she came into this family cap in hand, and
like why doesn't everybody like Robin, like it turns into
this weird thing where everybody hates her, and I'm like, well, well.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It didn't turn into that, though, And that's the thing.
They've just been lying seasons after season. It started off
that way, yep. It started off with Christine side eyeing
her and I think in episode one season when saying like, yeah,
this is an issue. I have a problem with this. Yeah,
Like the problems were there from the very beginning. They
just kept lying about it, yep, saying it wasn't happening.
Cody's gaslighting all of these women, and so by the
(40:58):
time we get to season eighteen, season nineteen, everybody is
just over it and people are upset, and Cody and
Robin are still lying because lying liars lie exactly, and
that's who they are, period, yes on, period on, period. Well,
is there anything else that we want to say to
these beautiful raccoons before we get up on out of here?
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Speaker 1 (41:30):
We will be back next week to talk more sister wives.
Until them, please do not forget that we have nothing
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Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
We can't quit this show.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We are going into the brown A Kashik Records, Honey,
through the Rolo Decks, and into the archives as we
get back into season six, back to the Call de Sac,
back to all that commitment, ceremony, mission statement, everyone, and
I'm excited about it. Before we get into it, we
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(00:45):
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Speaker 1 (02:01):
Now, we do want to tell you that we are
having an after show after this recap. After show after
party is just for the vip raccoons on Patreon now.
The reason we're having an after show this time is
because apparently there was an episode yeah, between episode ten,
which was the last one we covered for season six
in our rewinds, and this episode which is at episode twelve,
(02:25):
in which the Browns sit down with our Queen tammeron
hall Yeah and have a tail all it's base. Now,
we had decided we weren't going to watch the tail
all we were just going to get to the next
piece of content, episode twelve, but now I know we
should have watched it. Beatrice did watch it, and apparently
it was very good. And so in the after show
we're going to be recapping a little bit of the
(02:46):
tail all. And plus we have some news about Micah
Plath and Isaac Plath, those drunk ass brothers who had
a big fight and there was some terrible things that happened,
and about the upcoming season of Welcome to Plaithfill that
we got to talk about. We also want to go
for the Sister Wives ratings, yeah, because I think they're interesting.
They're so we're gonna you're giving it away. So we're
(03:11):
going to reserve all of that for the after show
and if you want to see that after show and
any of our other uncensored and awesome content. Again, all
I guta is go to bed, yo. Yeah. Now let's
catch everybody up as to kind of what we're doing
in season six at this time. Yeah. So, in case
you don't remember, we have just moved into the cul
de Sac, yes, or as Christine calls it in this episode,
(03:33):
the plague disac the compound. Yes, it's been about five
months and while the children are integrating and they seem
really happy to be proximate once again. Unfortunately, these wives
are not seeming to blend so well.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, big yikes. Yeah, kind of like what Mary predicted,
because Mary was a bit worried about moving into the
cul de Sac and how everyone would adjust because they
had been apart from each other for two two years,
completely separate, barely seeing each other, and now they're all
proximate and they can see specifically where Cody is spending
his time. And Mary predicted it, and she was right.
(04:13):
It doesn't seem like anybody's happy, really, except maybe Janelle
because she's getting her back blown out.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
In Vegas Renaissance sexual Renaissance sexual.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, and Rose, well.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
She's getting everything everything, Why wouldn't she be happy? Of course,
So this is season six, episode twelve, entitled.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Mother in Law Invasion. It's Mother's stapit. Yeah, and we've
got moms on moms on moms, so many moms, and
Cody has all these plans that were fed to him
by the production company of TLC, So we're gonna have
to go with him through this day. Yeah, and hear
a lot of conversation about how great Cody is, how
he needs to be giving himself more.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Kreta, you're doing so you're perfect. You're perfect, Bonnie says.
Bunny says you're perfect, which is wild, Bonny, is something
wrong with you? Who would do?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, she is Mary's mom, that's true. Rest in peace, Bonnie.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yes, and I'm sure you're were fantastic, Sure, but like
I wasn't understanding some of what she was talking about
in this episode. Don't get it, but without further ado,
take it away, Beatrice.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
All right, girl, Well we are at the Cold de Sac.
We are adjusting to life in the cold a Sac,
and we hear from everybody on the couch how it's
been going. It's not been smooth sailing like you had said.
The kids are adjusting, but the adults are not. And
Christine has the balls to just come out and say it.
And she's like, my life's sad, like I am not happy.
(05:39):
I'm not laughing, but it's like she's just sad. YEA.
Everybody seems kind of shocked that she just came out
and said it. She verbalized it, but it's like man,
as soon as they went to Vegas, like she's just
not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I got the impression that Christine liked to wait for
these moments on the couch to just like drop these
emotional bombs maybe and kind of like destabilize the situation
and whatever the family message was, because everybody did seem
to be surprised, and you know, she started kind of crying,
and she's like, I thought, at this point, like five
(06:15):
months in the cul de sac, I would be closer
with my sister wives. I thought we'd be like going
to restaurants and we'd be keeking, and we'd be like
building our relationships. But that's just not happening. And they
never really articulated why that might be. They talked around
that a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
They do that a lot. Yeah, it's like so annoying,
Like just say the full thing. You're gonna say that
your life is sad?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Why? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is it because Cody's never rounded your house, he's not
boanking you. Is it because the wives hate you? Like
what's going on? But no, we just have her kind
of tearing up. She says life is sad. I think
Cody says something like we're really struggling because we still
feel kind of separate because we were separate for the
last two years, and so there's a lot of healing
that needs to be done, and this kind of sets
(07:01):
up a conversation for what's going to happen later in
the season where they do their little standard TLC recommitment ceremony,
which now I'm kind of convinced that these ceremonies that
TLC does on these family shows like John and A
Plus Kid and Sistervives, like they're cursed because ends up,
like the family ends up breaking up and never coming
(07:23):
back together.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, And I think every single vow renewal on Bravo,
like when a couple renews their vows, like every single
one of those couples has since divorced except maybe one.
But like, yeah, I think it is cursed. And I
also just think it's manufactured, just like the mission statement
is manufactured, just as this Mother's Day is manufactured. I
think the commitments ceremony is going to be much of
(07:45):
the same.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's kind of crazy, like even in my personal life,
like when my dad and my stepmom got married, we
had like this weird like blending family ceremony, and we
like it was something like mixing all the sands of
our families together because they got married on the beach
and now none of.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Us talked truly. Yes, Oh, it's like.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's fine, but it's just kind of funny, how like
maybe these ceremonies are cursed. Maybe you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't know, it could be. I mean they talk
a lot about manifesting, yeah, and being the architects of
their lives, but I'm like, well, what are you actually
manifesting though, because as soon as you guys got into
your very expensive and large homes, you just stop talking
to each other. And the vibe that I was getting
watching this and honestly this entire season is like Cody
(08:31):
is already tired of the bullshit. Oh, she's very much
tired of the drama amongst the wives, and he's looking
to find a way to have them resolve their crap
without him having to facilitate the entire thing. Of course,
he does seem a bit exhausted, so when he's talking
in these later seasons eighteen nineteen, when he's talking about
like I just couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, like it
(08:52):
was never okay, there was always some sort of a problem.
I can kind of see that with some of the
stuff he's saying and some of the things that we're seeing,
it's like, why can't you women just get it together?
And later in this episode, when we get to the
mother in laws and they're talking about their perspective on polygamy,
you can see why it's hard to get your shit
together though, Yeah, because polygamy is hard.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's so hard, yeah, and it's not great for the women.
Like the women end up feeling like really shitty about themselves,
about their relationships and everything. Like it's just not a
healthy dynamic at all. So like, of course, like the
women wouldn't really be good friends, but then there's probably
like some cattiness, especially on Mary and Robin's side at
(09:34):
this time. That's kind of the vibe I was getting
from Mary Ann Robin. And then just like, you know,
the obvious discrepancy with like Cody just being so in
love with Robin and not into the other wives. I
could totally tell Cody was just like, oh my god,
I just have to get through the cameras. Like even
this whole episode where he's like shopping for mother's stay
(09:55):
present and then cooking breakfast with all of his kids
and stuff for all of these women in his house,
he did not seem into it at all, And this
obviously wasn't his norm, Like, if the cameras weren't there,
he couldn't have done any of them.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
No, I don't think so as well. So they've become
aware of the cameras. This is a job for them,
This is how I would assume they're making the majority
of their money. And as soon as we get to
that place with a reality television show, things just start
to get bad and you can kind of see it.
Are you watching Love Island? I've been hearing all of
(10:28):
the craziess So I've watched a little bit of Love
Island here and there. I am watching the current season,
but like, all of the contestants have come on to
Love Island this year, and they're all self aware, and
they're all producing themselves, and they're very much into the
strategery of it all, being very strategic and hooking up
and coupling up and closing it off right away as
(10:49):
opposed to like coming there to find love and being
authentic on camera. And it's totally derailing the entire season,
and America is unhappy. And this is the kind of
thing that I think pollutes shows that start out really well, yeah,
you've got like ninety day fiance with like people coming
onto the platform like with their storylines intact, wanting to
(11:11):
show a specific thing, but not being really who they are.
So I do agree with you, Like I can see
that in Cody, like running from house to house to
house to house to house, like performing yet NonStop for
the audience. It's lame.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's super lame. And in the context of this family,
I can imagine how like disappointing and heartbreaking it would
be to be living this life on reality TV where
like you're portraying that your family is fine and you're
happy and like you're trying to work things out and
everybody loves each other, but then behind the scenes off
(11:43):
the camera, like everybody fucking hates each other. Cody has
a favorite wife already, Like I could imagine just how
bad these women are feeling right now. It's the tension
in the air is thick.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It is, honey, it is thick.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It is. And so after we kind of talk about
the cul de sac and how everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Said except the kids, except for the kids did seem happy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Robin and Cody, then we have a family discussion with
the adults where they talk about how they're going to
pay for the older kids's college tuitions, and this is
where we talk about like Leon and how Leon really
wants to go to Westminster because it's their dream job,
even though it's insanely.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Expensive, certainly compared to in state tuition at UNLV. Yeah,
I think they were saying that they're paying like seven
thousand a year for Logan U, but for Leon it's
going to be twenty eight thousand a year, so twenty
thousand dollars more.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Which is crazy, absolutely crazy. But they're trying, at least
on camera, to figure out a way to pay for
Leon's college. And you can tell like Cody's kind of
frustrated about this situation. Mary is of course sticking like
digging her heels in. It's like, well, but I really
want me on to go to the school because it's
(13:01):
really important to them, And I think Cody brings it
up immediately. He's like, well, Mary, how about you just
pay for Leon's college.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, but let's talk about this, because for the first
time since maybe ever, I was like one hundred percent
team Cody here, Oh for sure, because Cody's like, I
don't want our kids to be taking out a bunch
of crazy loans, you know, in order to study for
a specialty that they're not going to get out and
actually practiced, and they'll have to be slaves to debt.
And I don't want that. And also like, why would
we be indulging one child over all of our other
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kids and how are we going to pay for this?
And so yeah, Mary, if you want your child to
go to a private school that is going to cost
that much more than you should be thinking about how
you can come out of your own pocket. Because Janelle's
sitting over here with six kids. All these kids are
going to be going to college, She's going to have
to fund that. I assume she's going to have to
come out of her pocket some So why shouldn't you Mary?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I was actually surprised that Cody was advocating on
behalf of Christine and Janelle because he literally said, like,
we have two women who are supporting six kids each,
Like why should we have to take money out of
the family pot for just Leon? And I think Cody
had said something like he didn't want to have to
sacrifice the other children's educations in specific, yes, just to
(14:17):
pay for Leon's stuff. And Mary kind of puts up
a little bit of a fight, and it's like, well,
but I contribute equally to everybody else, Like why can't
people help out with me and Leon?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And it's like, yeah, but you receive equally to what
everybody else gets as well, and do your resources go
a lot farther because you only have one child exactly,
you have the ability to save money and have a
college fund, whereas Janelle does not because she's got these
six kids and she's also contributing the same amount, so
that doesn't really jive.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's like the same kind of conversation we had when
they were building the cul de Sac homes, where it
was like, Mary shouldn't be resorted to having just a shack,
like a tiny, like one bedroom house. But at the
same time, it's like, is it really fair that you
get this giant house when you only have one child
who's literally.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Gonna move out any right in a few months.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Like when everybody else has to make sacrifices, and by
everybody else, I mean only Janelle and Christine because Robin
doesn't have to make sact prices, Like, I don't know,
it's just kind of weird to me that Mary holds
so tightly to that, like she I think she value
puts value in herself with the monetary stuff, Like if
(15:26):
she doesn't get the same money as all the other wives,
then maybe she thinks she's not worth ye same.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
She's not as valuable because she doesn't bring as much
to the table. But that's really not the argument here.
It's about what everybody else has to contribute for your
one child exactly, while we have all of these other kids.
And I'm sorry, you're the one who made the choice
though to be a polygamist, and you guys all made
the choice though to have seventeen children in this family,
and you have to financially plan for that. And Mary,
(15:53):
you don't get preferential treatment because your one child wants
to go somewhere in Utah and be around people that
they can marry and be ultimately a sister wife, which
is what Lean is saying they want to do. So
Mary has to have a come to Jesus moment. I
think everybody is within their rights to say no to
her agreed, But then they call Leon.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Into the room, which I thought was really inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I thought it was very manipulative because Leon is I
think eighteen seventeen or eighteen at this point, and they're
going to be a kid about it. Yeah, Oh they're immature.
They're only going to be thinking about themselves. And so
they sit them down and they ask what they think,
and Leon immediately, as usual, just starts to cry.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I know, like a spoiled only kid. I'm sorry, but
that's exacutely it is. It's like you're just crying about
not getting your way and being told no. Like I
just thought it was so annoying, and I'm just like,
stop crying because you're crying about wanting to.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Be around privileged church. For real, you're crying about privilege,
total privilege and having way more privilege, and and your
other siblings in the family. Like that's what you're crying about.
And there's no other option, no, exactly, absolutely can't go
anywhere else except for a Westminster privilege.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Such privilege, such a baby about it, and then just
talking about how they want to be a sister wife
and they want to marry a polygamist man and they
want to be around people that are in their same
faith in their same church, only to like two or
three years later after this come out as gay and
then later like have a partner and then you don't
(17:34):
even want to be in this lifestyle anymore, which good.
I don't want you to be a polygamist or anything.
But it's just like so stupid ye them to cry
about it in front of the whole family. And then
of course Robin, like being the savior of the family,
is like, well, we'll do everything that we can to
try and get you there. We'll make sure we didn't
realize how important it was to you.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But when you look back at this from the lens
of season nineteen and Marry telling us in one of
her interstitials that she was the one who funded all
of Leon's university, she was the one who purchased Leon's vehicle,
it feels like the family actually never ended up contributing anything.
(18:15):
To lean to me, what would be fair is okay,
So if we're paying seven thousand a year for Logan, yeah,
we're gonna pay seven thousand a year for you Leon,
and then the twenty thousand extra you can get a job.
Your mom can come out of her pocket for it,
like you can figure it out on yourself. I would agree,
by yourself, but that would be fair. But I don't
even think the family.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Did that probably not honestly, which is kind of crazy,
isn't that crazy? And maybe like that's where Mary's feelings
are a little bit justified. Like, Okay, nobody's gonna help
pay for any of my shit, Like I have to
pay for my web bar, I have to pay for
Leon's college, I have to pay for Leon's car and everything. Like,
I get it, But like, at the same time, what
(18:55):
is fair? And Leon's getting more though exactly m hm,
that's the Yeah, they're getting more, the other kids are not.
And I wonder how the other kids feel about that,
Like even now to this day, I wondered watching this, yeah,
because I mean, it seems like Leon has a good
relationship with some of their siblings and stuff. But I
just wonder if there's like some hidden resentment, because if
I was one of these siblings, I would be a
(19:17):
little resentful.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I think Maddie and Aspen probably are.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I would be.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And if I recall correctly back in lehigh, I think
that Leon went to a separate, private homeschool situation than
the rest of the kids. That's crazy. I think from
the time that they were very little, Leon was getting
some sort of preferential treatment, and so yeah, that would
build resentment with the other siblings, and I do wonder
(19:41):
how they feel about it now.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I mean I would be like, dude, you're spoiled
as fuck. Yeah, you get whatever you want. All you
have to do is cry like it's kind of ridiculous
how spoiled they are.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And then we have the mother in law's and Cody's
mom arriving to Vegas for mother Thursday. We have Christine's
mom Annie, we have Bonnie and Cheryl and Cody's mom,
and Robin's mom Alice, which I don't think we've seen
much of.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I forget. I think she was around during the birth
of King Solomon. Oh, I know this stepdad was. I
thought I saw her in the background at some point,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, she was kind of interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
She was very interesting. She sounds just like Robin, just
like when she speaks him like whoa. It's super weird,
very very much so.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And there was a part where she was speaking like
later in the episode where she started to kind of
like well up like Robin.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I thought, so too him. Are you gonna start crying
right now? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I was like, what is happening like mother like daughter,
but we have the wives describing the mother in laws,
like Robin says that Bonnie has a really strong testament
to plural marriage. We have Janelle saying that she misses
her mom because she was really close in proximity to
her mom in Utah, and like I guess, her mom
(21:01):
was helping out with the kids a lot, and Janelle
really misses that because she doesn't have that in Vegas.
We of course know that Christine's mom, Annie left plural
marriage when Christine was like nineteen or something. And then
Robin's mom, of course, has been divorced similar to how
Robin was, and very similar actually, like Robin's mom divorced,
(21:27):
her biological father married her stepfather that became Robin's actual
father figure, which I'm like, hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Do you see what they're talking about when they mentioned
ancestral karma and how things are passed down generation to generation,
you can't really see it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I thought that was really crazy. And then Cody decides
to take all of the moms out shopping to some
like weird cracker barrel type.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's the same store that they went to when they
were getting those caramels. I know when they were being
duplicitous at Christmas.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's like a crazy liked podge type store.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's the one place they can go where they can
film probably so much word art, so much dumb.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It literally looks like a cracker barrel. To me, I'm
like where me? And he's getting like some like weird
decor items for each wife that he thinks they'll like,
and I'm like, these are stupid.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, but I think it's right up their alley. I
think they love word art. I think that this is
a perfect match. He picked something for Janelle that says
I kiss better than I cook.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And he thinks it's great and it's spelled wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Did you notice that I kiss better than t h
E N stop I cook? And he bought it because
he's dope.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They all don't.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They are all dumb. So he bought it for Janelle
and he's looking for different signs. I think he gets
a sign from Mary and something for Christine similarly, or
like she gets a bass, or so she gets a bowl,
she's a bowl. And then he sees this weird Harry
Potter clock for Robin and he immediately wants to get it,
but everyone all the mother in laws are like, well,
but like that's kind of more of a special gift
(23:04):
and you're just getting this whoe ass sign for everybody else,
and so you have to make sure that it's fair.
He's like, oh, so I have to think about my
wives and make sure the equity is there for all
of them when I'm selecting gifts. And his mom Janelle
or Janille, is like, yeah, you have to be fair.
That's the whole point of polygamy.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, and he's like saying that is like kind of
a joke. But then he doesn't end up taking her seriously.
He ends up getting the same yess that he wanted
to get at the store. And like with that sign,
I kiss better than I cook for Janelle, Like, Janelle's
mom was not didn't like it. She didn't like it.
She thought it was offensive and that it was not
a good gift. And Cody's like, no, it's actually a compliment. Yeah,
(23:42):
I'm not insulting her cooking. I'm saying that she's a
good kisser, right, I'm just like, Okay, dude, whatever, get
your booty ass gifts for your wives. And this is
like where we have some interstitials with the mother in
laws where they're talking about how Cody is kind of
a ding dong sometimes but they love him and they
think that he's earnest and a good person, which was
(24:04):
like age like milk, Yeah, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Then they go out for brunch, Yes, he takes all
the ladies out, and they have a conversation. And I
thought Annie Christine's mother was very, very intuitive in this
conversation because she's like, okay, with regard to the commitment ceremony, like,
what's that going to change with regard to the mission
statement that you are trying to create, how is that
(24:29):
going to shift things in your family? And like trying
to get to the bottom of what the problem actually is.
And it felt like to me she's probably on the
phone with Christine quite a bit, yeah, and probably understands
that there's already some big problems in the family, so
she's trying to get Cody to address them, but he's
of course obtus Oh totally.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
And I think this is where we had like a
little talking head from Cody where he's saying that, you know,
some of his guy friends have really terrible mother in
laws that they hate, and then they have really good
mother in laws that they really enjoy, and Cody's like, well, see,
I have so many mother in laws that I relate
to all of them. But I'm not gonna say which
(25:07):
mother in law is my least favorite, because you know
I love them all equally.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm just like, that's interesting. Which one do you think
he has?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Hey, No, I think it's Annie.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think it's Annie because I think Annie is implying
that there are bigger issues here that they're not addressing
and trying to get him to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And I don't think he likes that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't think he likes that either. I don't think
he likes Annie. And I don't think he likes Janelle's
mom either, because yeah, because Janelle's mom, like we know
from season nineteen, was the one telling him to not
show affection in front of Janelle because that made her
feel bad, And we see her in this episode telling
him not to get a sign that she thinks is
(25:46):
offensive to her daughter and then he gets it anyway.
So I think he just doesn't like the mother in
laws that like call him out on his bullshit.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I think another layer to that could be that his mother,
Janille was also like really struggling when Cheryl entered the family.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Point.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, that's his bio mom. He probably knew that she
was having a really hard time. I'm wondering what actually happened.
It sounds like when like immediately started preferring Cheryl. Yeah,
and so Janille was having incredible jealousy, and maybe Cody
felt sympathetic to his mom and maybe he didn't really
like Cheryl because of that.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
See, And that's what's so crazy to me, is like
if that was true, Like, how could you look at
that situation with your mama, yeah, and then do the
exact same thing to these other women and be a
million times worse than your dad probably ever was, and
then not have any like self reflection and understood, Oh,
like I'm repeating a generational issue, Like no, you're just
(26:42):
going to continue to double down that you were the
perfect husband and everyone else sucks.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, he does not have the ability to see himself clearly,
because he's a narcissist in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
But then he also has these mother in laws like
gassing him up at the brunch being like Annie, don't
not Annie, but the other one Bonny did.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I know you're perfect, You're great. Is she the one
who's like, make sure that you look back at all
the things that you have accomplished and everything that you
have built, as opposed to looking at the future and
what you want to create and what you don't have
now yep, which was platitudinal and I get it, but
like she just seems to be blowing a lot of
smoke up his ass totally.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, And she was also saying, like, nobody understands the
real pressure that polygamists men have to be under to
have to manage all of their wives and deal with
the relationships and everything. And I'm like, oh, miss me
with that right, right? How hard is it for a
man to just be nice and be equitable with all
these other women?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like okay, yeah, And I also think she said something
like all the women in our community were always saying
that they would never want to be a man in
a polygamoust relationship. They were so grateful to be the
woman because the man has all of this responsibility and like, well,
what responsibility specifically? I mean, maybe does he have to
provide for them? He's got to have a job that
(27:56):
can support them, But like they do literally of everything else.
They got to crack open their legs anytime he wants it.
They got to take care of all of their children.
They've got to take care of the house.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
They get the money that they get, they've got to
make do with it. There's often abuse, like that's the shit.
I hate making it sound like polygamy is so fantastic
for the family when it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And then we have Cody making breakfast for all of
the women with all of the children's help, and it's
a fucking total chaotic mess and true Brown fashion. Cody's
like freaking out with his hair bouncing everywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Well, and Aspen and Maddie and Leon are the ones Cookie,
the older kids are the ones that are coordinating everything
and making sure it's all getting done well. He's tasting
things and basically being useless.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And trying to find the fuse that they blew. It
doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Where it is because he's not a manly man. He's
not a manly man. He does not do manly things.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I know, I'm more of a man than is. Absolutely,
just couldn't believe it. And then once they get the
breakfast all done, I mean, it looked great, don't get
me wrong, for the kids that they were making all
of the waffles and the fruit and everything. Then Cody
gives some like teary eyed testimony about how much the
wives and the moms and stuff mean to him, which
I felt like there was some maybe a little bit genuine.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Such a performance cry on cue. Well, he's taking lessons
from Robin. Yeah, so he knows how to cry on cube. No,
it did not seem sincere to me at all.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Well, and then we have the wives on the couch
and their little talking head and Christine calls him an
idiot in this segment. She's like, God bless him, but
he's a total idiot. I know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Robin is like, what are you talking about, Crody. She's like, yeah, Cody, dude.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And you know she went to Cody that absolutely night
and said this is what Christine said about you. Like
she immediately went against it. But I'm just like wondering
what the context of the wh Yeah, because it was
him giving this testimony and then right after that, Christine's like,
he's an idiot. M M.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
That must have been some editing on TLC's part.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But it's also how she feels and that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And I mean honestly it's true. Yeah, absolutly, Yeah, truth hurts.
And then we have Robin saying like, you just have
to remember that your husband's just a man.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Shut up. I always look at you know when she's talking,
because Janelle just like glazes over. She's like, this bitch
is talking again, therapists. Robin, thank you, the youngest of us,
all the one who cracked it open for all these
made to day of things, all that ditch you brought
into my family that I had to pay up. And
now you want to opine on this couch about Mary.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Shut up. I know lest me with that you've been divorced.
Was how you an expert?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I know, like I can't exactly, I can't. You and
your mama.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
St shut up straight up, dude. I wonder what their
dynamic is.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know. I was looking at miss Alice and
I'm like, there's something about you. I don't like. Demons
exist in the world, honey, and this something called a
family demon is past your ancestors down through the line,
and those women I'm just saying demonic. Those women have
an issue of a demonic nature.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
In my opinion, I agree, and then we have all
of the moms and mother in law's giving their own
testimonies and like experiences about okay, plural marriage. And I
just thought this segment was kind of weird because it
should have been something that was like happy and positive,
but it ended up getting kind of dark pretty quick
because we have Cody's mom talking about when she had
(31:31):
this testimony of plural marriage, she just didn't realize like
all of the pain that it would bring, and she
immediately starts crying, so does Janella's mom, Cheryl, and.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Cheryl says it was hell. It was hell hell. And
Cheryl talks about not feeling wanted in the family, and
then they pan to Robin. Yeah, and Cheryl's like, I
didn't feel like I fit into the family. Pan to Robin,
and Robin's got a little tear, yeah, because she can
relate because they don't accept me Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Which is kind of crazy because Cheryl was the second wife, right,
so obviously she was I.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Think she was the third. I think there was a
second Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Right, yeah, third, So maybe she was the one that
was preferred similar to like Robin. So I'm like, what
do you mean you weren't welcome in the family. You
were just not welcome with Cody's mom apparently. But Cody's
mom is kind of weird because she gives this air
like she's so loving and kind and positive. But I
(32:28):
feel like she was totally vindictive to Cheryl because Cheryl's crying,
and I can't remember Cody's mom's name, Janiel, Janille. God.
Every time, I'm just like, it's Cody's mom, Yeah, sex Janelle,
but Janiel, yeah, And I just they talk about how
it was so hard for many years and they had
to do a lot of work and a lot of
(32:48):
healing m hm.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And she talks about how Cheryl was a very good
business person, very savvy with business and money, and so
in bed and so when found himself over with Cheryl
is talking about business plans and everything, and so he
didn't spend as much time with Janille. But it's interesting
because if there is a second wife in between Janil
(33:11):
and Cheryl, then you would imagine that Genial had time
to acclimate and get used to having another woman around.
And so I think there's something specific about Cheryl that
bothered Janill. And I wonder if maybe Cheryl was a
little bit of a Robin. Maybe she loved having the
attention of Win. She would have known, wouldn't she, Because
(33:31):
Janil had ten children, so she would have known that
Winn was spending more time with her than with the
other wives. And so, just as Robin should have said
something to Cody at the time, like, hey, you're spending
too much time over here. You've got to go spend
some time with your other families, Cheryl maybe should have
been doing that as well and didn't do it. And
so maybe that's why Janille was a little upset. Maybe
I don't know, but it's obvious these women have been
(33:54):
through a battle and they've come out on the other side.
But they don't seem happy at all. They don't seem
really glad to be polygamous. They're very much along the
lines of this is suffering. We put it on the altar,
we're doing it for God. It's not because it's a
great situation.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, which is crazy because you'd think that they would
just talk about the positives of it in front of
the rest of the family. But no, we're going to
talk about how sad, painful and hellish it were.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Because I don't think you can get away from the
truth of what polygamy is right, and if you're going
to open up the discussion with these seasoned and wise
older women and you're going to talk about this that's
such a big part of their lives, well then some
things are going to come out. Yeah, that are going
to be important and meaningful. And I think the women
took the opportunity to do it. And honey, then we
got to Annie girl. Then we got to Annie, who
(34:41):
again is Christine's mother. Now she left Christine's father when
Christine was nineteen years old. She couldn't do that shit anymore,
and she went on her way. She was lost for
many years and she entered it. It sounds like she
entered into and out of monogamous relationships just trying to
(35:03):
find herself, but like it wasn't a good situation for her. Yeah,
you know, cut to Christine on the couch like, well,
I never knew that. I thought my mom loved her
sister wife. I thought we had such a great family.
So she was completely checked out of her mother's reality.
And when Annie left, Cody and Christine talk about how
they felt it was unsafe to have a relationship with her,
(35:27):
which is because maybe she'd try and take away their
kids or Annie would try to harm their family. And
was it Bonnie. I think it was Bonnie who told
Christine and Cody you got to let her see her grandbabies.
You got to keep her as a part of this family.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah. I think it was Bonnie or maybe Cody's mom too,
that said, like, this isn't fair for you to keep
her away from your guys's family. This is messed up.
And so Cody talks about how him and Christine would
reach out to Annie and she would reach back out
to them, and they were trying to work on their
relationship and they ultimately did. And Annie seems like the
kind of mom that you know, she doesn't approve of
(36:04):
your lifestyle, but she's just there because she loves you,
and she's just gonna be there for you until hopefully
one day you wake up out of the fog and
it ultimately does happen. Yes, I feel like Annie was
slowly like planting the seeds in Christine's head, like this
is not fucking healthy for you, because she can see
she could see her daughter was not happy. But Christine
(36:25):
at this time is in a bit of a denial
and still thinks that this is the lifestyle for her,
and that Cody's the man for her. And it's just
kind of a weird dynamic. I feel bad that Annie
was ostracized from her daughter's life just for making this decision,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
She's a powerful woman, and I think that's where Christine
ultimately draws her strength when she has to get brave
and to leave Cody herself, and she can look back
at the demonstration of her mother, who did it on
her own without the support of anybody, including you, Christine. Yep,
with that, the support of anybody, and she made it.
And so if Annie can do it, that means you
can do it. And Christine, you had any support when
(37:06):
you did it, so you were very blessed.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Indeed, I wonder if they had like a like a
conversation after she left Cody where she just was like,
I'm sorry, mom, you were right because I don't have.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
To hear about it.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
If so, I know right, hopefully that's in the book.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Maybe it is.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That'd be great. Yeah, But after everybody cries about how
polygamy is just awful and terrible, but you know it's
good because God called us to do right. Sacred suffering.
Then we kind of end with a message about love
and how they're still a family and they're going to
do their recommitment ceremony later this season because they really
need to get back to the core of who and
(37:42):
what they are, And that's how we kind of end
the episode.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, but again I say, they never really illuminate us
as to what the issue is. It's not the kids, Like,
it's not the children. The children are happy, they're so
glad to be together. The issue and it's there, like
it's underneath everything Cody's talking about. They're all kind of
acknowledging it on the couch, they're acknowledging it. We've got
(38:08):
Christine close to tears, Like the issue is what though,
Like are people fighting here? Is it like Mary and Janelle?
Are they fighting? Or are people already not getting time
with Cody whereas Robin is starting to get that time
in the cul de sac and everybody's looking out the
window and seeing who's getting what, Like what's happening right now?
We didn't actually learn what that was. Yeah, we just
(38:30):
continue to get the sense that Cody's over it and like,
you women need to figure this out because like if
I die are you going to still be a family?
Are you going to keep this together and intact? And
the answer looks like it's no. In season six, yep,
Like without Cody, they don't even want to be friends
with each other.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, and that's what's crazy, because he's saying this, and
I'm like, well, I guess I can see like there's
a divide obviously. I think like Christina and Janelle aren't
really good friends at this period of time, but they
get along with each other. And then there's Maria and Robbin,
like they're really is like a line in the sand
between the wives. There's obviously reasons for that though, because
Robin's a big old fucking bitch.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, and Christine and.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Janelle have clocked her. Mary is totally manipulated by her
and totally simple, and Mary.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Is a big taker. Like Mary is taking family resources,
she's wanting even more, and so there are fundamental problems.
Then you've got somebody like Janelle, who I think it
was the last episode that we covered in season six
was just telling the family I'm okay by myself. I'm
okay just studying real estate. I'm okay doing my thing
over here with my kids. I don't want to be
a part of my sister wives dumbass closet. I don't
(39:35):
want to be a part of all of this. It's
like Janelle is signaling very clearly where she stands, and
I'm just like, there are big issues in this family.
And Christine, of course, is just in her I want
to say immature, but just like in a very raw
way of expressing herself. She's not happy either. She's definitely
not getting that time with Cody. Every time he looks
(39:56):
at her on the couch, I just think he cannot
stand her. As soon as she he opens her mouth,
he's cringing. He does not like this woman.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh my god, he does not like her at all.
It is so obvious. He doesn't like Mary either though,
like anytime Mary talks, he doesn't really have a good
look on his face either. So it's just crazy to see.
And it's crazy to see that their justification back then
was just like they're separate, they're not a family, And
then it somehow morphs into season nineteen where like everybody
(40:24):
hates Robin and nobody wanted to be friends with Robin,
and she came into this family cap in hand, and
like why doesn't everybody like Robin, like it turns into
this weird thing where everybody hates her, and I'm like, well, well.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It didn't turn into that, though, And that's the thing.
They've just been lying seasons after season. It started off
that way, yep. It started off with Christine side eyeing
her and I think in episode one season when saying like, yeah,
this is an issue. I have a problem with this. Yeah,
Like the problems were there from the very beginning. They
just kept lying about it, yep, saying it wasn't happening.
Cody's gaslighting all of these women, and so by the
(40:58):
time we get to season eighteen, season nineteen, everybody is
just over it and people are upset, and Cody and
Robin are still lying because lying liars lie exactly, and
that's who they are, period, yes on, period on, period. Well,
is there anything else that we want to say to
these beautiful raccoons before we get up on out of here?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Be Well, if you love our podcast, please go to
your favorite podcast platform and leave us a glowing five
start review. Really helps us scrow the pod so more
people can join us in the dumpster, and we really
appreciate it, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
We will be back next week to talk more sister wives.
Until them, please do not forget that we have nothing
of the love for you and peace and light. Yes.
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