263: Welcome to Plathville - The Cabin in the Woods (S7 E2-3) - Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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before we get into this recap, I have to ask you, Beatrice,
whether you have any takeaways. After watching the last two
episodes of Welcome to Platfill.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I just think kim Plath has some motherfucking audacity to
try and manufacture this like victim thing of like nobody
checked on me after my dear why Barry won't give
me a dime of his money? I'm like, girl, please,

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you were in a new build house, you got an
Apple Watch, You've got your ballet studio, you're profiting off
of TLC, you're profiting off of probably your airbnbs and
shit like miss me with this.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
It's called Shoden Friday something like that. It's just like
when we take just a little bit of pleasure when
somebody kind of fucks around and then finds out. We
get to see it and we really are in the
finding out era her camp Plas and I love it too,
and we'll talk about it when we get there. But
like just the hubris of this woman, she truly is

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a narcissist. One, she truly is a narcissist.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Now, I have like three separate takeaways to let me
just choose one. Okay, I'm gonna choose a controversial one.
Which is that I thought Olivia handled herself with grace
and an appropriate measure of caution when facetiming with Veronica,
like we had talked the last time we met about whether,

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like Olivia would be opportunistic and try to trash the
plaths and you know, do underhanded kind of stuff, and
she totally could do that, and I understand why she
might do that, but I loved to see that instead
she kind of was a bit more reserved. It didn't
feel to me like she really trusts Veronica, nor should she,
in my opin, like she doesn't know who this woman

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really is. And I thought she handled herself very well.
That was my opinion. I was like, oh my gosh,
it was actually kind of nice to see Olivia.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Don't come at me, Bro, I won't come at you.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Don't come at me, Bro.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I mean, I would totally agree with you that she
handled herself with like caution, like she was being careful
with what she's saying. I do give you that. I
don't know if it was there was any grace, though.
I think she's playing the field because on the Instagram
and the tiktoks and shit, she is talking mad smack. Still, Yes,
oh still every episode she out with some video being like,

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oh my god, they're still talking about me though, and
then she'll like say some bullshit about what happened with
the Plaths and how they're all evil and blah blah blah.
So she'll go on her own little thing and like, again,
there might be some truth to some of that shit,
but I think some of it is a little bit embellished.
But that's my opinion on Olivia. I'll give you.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
That, okay. And I just thought though that Veronica, in
what we saw, like kept opening doors inviting Olivia into
talk mad shit about the Plaths, and Olivia did not
do that, agreed. I mean, and Olivia is doing that,
and Olivia has done that, so she knows how to
do that. She doesn't need Veronica to sort of lure
her into this super shady moment, which I call into question.

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So I just thought Olivia handled herself very well.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, she was very careful. Yeah, I will give you that.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yes, So that was my takeaway. Let us know if
you're watching on YouTube in the comments, what's your general
impression of the season so far and the cast of characters,
or if you're on Instagram, dm our girl, Beatrice, she
loves to hear for pole. Yeah, all right, without any
further ado, let's get into our recap of the last
two episodes. Take it away, Beatrice.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, we'll start with episode two. We'll just get like
a brief rundown.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
We started with Veronica facetiming Olivia, which was kind of interesting.
I guess it was like the first time they've really
like talked in person allegedly.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
But before we did that, and I know we weren't
going to really talk about it because it's kind of
a nothing burger scene. There was the scene with Mariah
and Ethan out to lunch, and I just want to
mention it to comment about Mariah and how depressed Mariah
seems like, how actually alarmingly depressed and morose. She came

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across while Ethan is sitting there talking to her, and
of course they discuss Veronica and everything that's going on.
And I think this is during the time where she's
actually progressively losing all of her hair yea, which she
did last year, So I I think she's wearing a
wig here and I think she's very insecure. She just
seemed I was worried, actually, and I'm worried about Mica too.

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I'm like, Micah's the light in his eyes is also gone.
But I was in this scene, I was concerned for
Mariah because she seems really adrift, really lost, And I
just wanted to say that before we get to the
Veronica and Olivia park.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, and I mean, in this week's episode, in episode three,
Ethan says he talks about that to Veronica and Micah,
about how like Mariah's ruined her life, like she's completely
went off the deep end. She's like definitely paying the
price for her actions last year after the concert with
going back with mister Potato Head and then breaking up
with them, and then having to move back in with Barry,

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And like I think Ethan was kind of alluding to,
like how she's got all these really terrible tattoos and
dyed her hair black and everything, like she's going through it.
She's in like her emo phase, like she's.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think it's more than like a teenage emo phase.
I think it's like a mental health crisis.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Bit I'm still emao.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I mean, I do these people go to conventional doctors?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Do they seek treatment? Do they seek help when they
need it? Is she in therapy. I'm just I'm just
a little concerned.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm worried about her too. Yeah, I'm definitely worried about Mariah.
And I think she needs therapy, like bad because if
because she has talked about with like her alopecia, like
she loses her hair because of stress, and I'm like, damn,
you've lost it all again. What's going on? Like We're
probably not gonna see much of it. I don't know,
maybe we will this season, Like we haven't seen much
of her yet. It's been three episodes. We've only seen

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like little blurbs here and there, and then Veronica talking
mad shit about her being really fucking mean and nasty
about it. I'm over it. I feel bad for Mariah too,
so I aree So.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, she doesn't appear in any other scenes in
the two episodes that we're talking about, So I just
wanted to get that in there, that we need to
send up the flare for a little Mariah. Yes she's cringe,
Yes she's done things that are ridiculous, but there's something
wrong with Mariah.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, I agree. And then when we get to Veronica
talking to Olivia, this was kind of like weird because
I think Olivia is trying to do what she did
with Mariah back in the day, where she's acting like
this mentor and like trying to guide her through like yeah,
I've been there, done that, Like I'm here if you
want to talk. But I feel like there's a little
bit of an ulterior motive on Olivia's part in siding

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with Veronica or like even entertaining Veronica, because Veronica, in
my opinion, is just out here for drama. Like I mean,
she is just talking crap about literally everybody in the family.
It's kind of crazy how she's just changed from last
season to this season. Last season, she was so reserved
and then this season. I don't know, what did you

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think about the whole conversation with her and Olivia.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I just felt that Veronica was trying to have a
mean girl moment looking for an ally, and I don't
think Olivia gave that to her. Again, I think that
she was pretty gracious and she was like, I am
here for you, and I get it we have this
sort of shared experience, but she didn't really indulge Verna
to the degree that she really wanted to talk crap

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about the Plaths and we see her do it again
in the next episode when she meets Teagan. It's like,
so totally inappropriate, And the thing is like, you do
yourself damage because the message that you're coming with Veronica,
like what you're trying to say is discredited by the
way that you're saying it and what you are doing
and is coming off all wrong. And I just in

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my mind, it just felt like Olivia had a sense
of that a little bit and probably asked herself like,
but aren't you currently still dating Mica, Like aren't you
guys in a loving relationship? Like why would you be
making this call unless you wanted to be getting into
some shady stuff, And she's probably She's probably like, I
got out of that, Yeah, so I don't really want

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to be a part of that anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Maybe it kind of seems like that with Olivia. She
seems like she's got like Mary Brown like walls up
a little bit with Veronica. But it's it's Veronica's just
weird to me because I'm like, you're talking all this shit.
I understand wanting to team up with Olivia because you
guys have had similar like experiences, I guess, and you're
both you both have had relationships with Plath boys that

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were not good and not healthy in any way, shape
or form. And so I can understand like having some camaraderie,
but the secretiveness on Veronica's part.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Why would you do that? Would you ever do that
to your wife?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I would never do that to my husband. If you
hadn't have an enemy, I would never FaceTime his enemy.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, that's that's the thing. It's like, there doesn't need
to be this level of shadiness, Like I don't know,
it's just.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
She's producing herself. She really has become conscious to the cameras,
which I thought she didn't want to be in her
home and be in my life, but now she's like
trying to use and weaponize the cameras in order to
embarrass all these Plaths.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Well, and then you're in the comments sections, like constantly
constant everywhere, like across Reddit and Instagram everything. It's like
insane how much she comments on stuff. And she's saying
that her and Olivia are like BFFs now they're like
really close, but she's very quick to say I think
I sent you comment section on Reddit that her and
Olivia both don't like Teagan don't want her to be

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friends with them.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Has Olivia ever met Teagan?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I don't know, but that's according to Veronica.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I highly doubt Olivia has met physically been in the
comput Why would that means, Olivia, you're judging Teagan just
like so many other people out here have judged you,
And I would ask is that really fair?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Exactly, It's not. No. And then moving on, we have
Kim Girl, and we start off with her talking about
because she's got a part time hostess job girl, the
same restaurant that Lydia and Mariah work at. And then
we talk about her fucking Dui bitch, which I'm surprised

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we even acknowledged.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
And I had to wonder Beatrice because we were screaming
last season, like, are we really gonna go through an
entire season where all of us understand and know and
and read the article and the arrest report. We all
know that Kim Plath was involved in a duy. She
wrecked her vehicle, she was driving drunk. We all knew it,

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and you guys are just going to pretend it didn't happen.
Is that the show we're watching? And that is why
at the end of last season we had decided we're
not going to do this anymore, Like, if you're not
going to tell the truth and share, we're not going
to participate. So it's interesting to me, and that was
going to be my other takeaway. I didn't choose it,
but it's interesting to me that production seems to be

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taking such a different tact. I love it with this season,
and it felt to me, what did you guys think,
Like production almost forced Kim to sit down in the chair,
honey and talk about the dui because people out there
are talking about it, and we're not going to watch
our show if you're not authentic.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh yeah, I think they did, because Kim looked uncomfortable
very much. So the way that she spun it was like,
you know, after me and Barry got divorced, Like I
had a really bad night or I had too much
to drink and I got a dui and then I
couldn't drive for like a year or many months or whatever.
She's like trying to rewrite it to make it sound

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less bad than it actually is. But the fact that
she had to say it, I'm glad that she finally
said it and admitted to it. But then motherfucking Kim
plat is, like, you know, but Barry didn't once ask
me if I was okay after my duy. Like we've
been married for twenty five years, you've known me, I
reared all your children. Why didn't you check on me?

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And then she starts like tearing up, as if I'm
supposed to fucking feel bad for.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
You because you cheated on me. That's why I didn't.
And you left me, and you destroyed our entire family,
and like we had a mission statement like the Browns
and commment ceremony, like we had a vision for the
family and for our marriage, and you totally detonated that
and you cheated on me. And now you're a drunk too,
embarrassing me because the raccoons know about your duy and

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this is embarrassing to me. And you want me to
check in with you, Yeah, you want me to say, Kim,
you're looking a little alcoholic ly lately? Is everything all
right now? I don't care. I'm gonna gave that to
my advantage. I'm gonna take what I can because you
did this, Kim, not me. You.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
She's the one that wanted the fucking divorce. She's the
one that initiated it.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
All, okay, and let's have the conversation about what happened
to what was his name, the guy Ken Ken? What
happened with Ken? I mean, is are there any rumblings
out there? Is anybody watching on Facebook? Is he with
somebody else? Well, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
According to Veronica and read it like she's been in
the comments saying that apparently Ken broke up with Kim
once she got like the breathalyzer and stuff in her car,
which I'm just like, that's weird. But like Veronica's made
some like accusations on Reddit saying that it was something
to do with after the DUI that he broke up
with her. But I'm like, we saw him last season

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and they seemed fine. So was the trunk duced and
Ella drunk? They seem drunk together, Ella drunk. But yeah,
I don't know he I mean, he must have dumped her.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Ass, which is wild to me because you're thinking thinking
about this woman who is in her fifties, yep, And
it's not that she's not beautiful. She is, and I'm
sure she has her charms and she's like a ballet dancer,
so she's accomplished. But like, she's taking the chance. I
think if I'm just putting myself in her position, she's
taking the chance on this Ken guy, who is Isaac's

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aviation instructor. She's having a premarital, not a premierital. She's
having an adulteress affair with this person. She's blowing up
her whole family. She's doing that for Ken, and then
once she gets a DUI, he's just gonna dump her
and leave her hanging well. And now we've got Barry
on the other side of that, being like, yeah, I'm

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not gonna rush through to get this divorce. We have
a lot of properties, they make a lot of money,
and you're just not going to get a sweetheart deal
from me because of what you did. And I'm not
gonna move. And she's so she can't believe, she can
that Barry would do this to her, And I'm like,
that Barry would do this to you, that Ken would
do this to you. And now you find yourself fifty

(17:03):
four years old, out here with nothing yet because I
don't think the divorce has even happened yet. No, maybe into.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
The season, I think she's still they're still negotiating.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So you're paying for your attorneys on your credit cards.
You are debt financing your entire life. You've got your
your littles fifty percent of the time, but you're expecting
child support. Uh huh, So like you have equal time
and Barry's doing his part, but you still want him
to pay you child support. Now, alimony we can talk about,
and we should. But I'm just like, this must be

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hitting her, wow so hard.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Like you said, fuck around and find out, Like, I
don't know what you expected. I kind of wondered, because
when she confronts Barry at her house, yeah, on camera,
of course, which is like so inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's the only way that he'll talk to her. But
she's got to ambush him because otherwise he'll just walk out.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, I'm sure his their attorneys are trying to talk
to each other. I'm sure that what's happening. The reason
why they're at an impass is that Kim won't agree
to anything that Barry is suggesting, and Barry won't agree
to anything that she's suggesting. They are at an impass.
They should have a fucking mediator, but no, they choose
to like try and co parent and like try to
give their kids, like the family experience, which is all

(18:18):
well and great, but like Kim, you're not gonna get
everything that you want. You already got your affair, You
already got your ballet studio, You already got your Apple
watch and your bow and your fucking new build rental
that you're in, Like, you already got all of this shit.
You got your divorce that you wanted, you got out
of the marriage with Barry. I know you're still trying

(18:38):
to settle in everything, but like, you don't get to
get everything that you fucking want under this, and then
pressure Barry on camera to talk about the divorce proceedings.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I don't know. If he agrees to something, if it
acquiesces on camera, then she can trot it out during
the trial of some sort and say, but look, he
agreed to do it, like he's not a stupid person exactly,
and you should know that. Yeah, let's talk about the
amount that Kim is owed, not the amount, but like
the fact that Kim is owed half and to me,

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it doesn't matter that in the last year of their marriage,
after twenty five years of marriage, she had an indiscretion
and she behaved crazy, like maybe she's menopausal and out
of control. And not medicating herself. I don't know, but
she behaved badly, But that does not to me. It
does not negate the fact that she spent twenty five
years homeschooling these children, staying at home, taking care of

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the home, the farm, all the animals, I would assume,
or at least delegating her children to go out and
take care of those animals, sneaking off to the barn
when she had a chance to drink vodka and eat sugar.
But I mean, nonetheless, she was there taking care of
home and hearth while he went out and he worked
and earned a great wage. So you can't tell me

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that she is not owed a good chunk, a very
good chunk of whatever it is that Barry is worth
right now that they're worth right now. She deserves it,
She should have it. I think he should settle it
and just walk away and build on his owne from there.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I do think that she's owed half, because that's only fair,
especially since she did not have a career. She did
raise all of these kids for twenty five years. Yes,
but I doubt that Kim is asking for just half.
I bet she's asking for more. That's my opinion. Yeah,
I bet she is asking for more because she feels
entitled to more because she knows how much Barry makes

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and knows how much their properties make and everything. And
Barry's like, no, you don't get to have all of
this shit. We can have half. But I don't know.
I'm not trying to make excuses Barry.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
No. And Kim says that Barry makes ten times the
amount that she does, and so that must be factoring
in what she makes via TLC. And also it sounds
like she's got an Airbnb or she's got control to
some degree of some of their rentals, so she's making
an income. But whatever that income is is he's still
making ten times that.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's what Kim is saying, Right, we don't know the
full truth of that. She's also only working a part
time hostess job, like you could try and get a
full time job.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
She has schooling, well, but she's.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Schooling and she's what a natural path or something.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
She's an Internet natural path. So she did go to
university for six years and never graduated, although she never
sent her own kids to university so they could get
so that they could learn what well endowed meant, they
could learn basic words you ever did that. But yet
she has an education, she could do more. But like
I understand her struggle being in her age, demographically, it

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would be hard all of a sudden, Like the man
you thought you were leaving your other man four no
longer wants you. You don't have a job, You're gonna
have to sell off all this stuff. You're not gonna
get what you think you want. Don't fucking feel bad
for her to do, But I really don't. It's just
a stark realization that she is coming into Yes.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And that's all valid and everything, But I still don't
feel bad because I'm like, you broke up your family,
You had a marriage with a man that provided everything
fucking for you, Like, and I know it was Barry, Okay,
I know he's probably terrible. He's probably horrible in bed,
I get it, all right, But like you chose to
destroy your life, you chose to get a DUI like
I don't. I don't feel like.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
You could have done it in a way that had
some integrity. Yes, you could have just said like, this
is just not working, then initiated a conscious uncoupling. Yes,
but you didn't. You cheated, You became an alcoholic right,
you destroyed your vehicle in a duy incident and you
ain't shit, no, And Barry knows it and he don't care.
There's just something so beautiful about it. And that's stuff
that I like Barry or anybody else. But it's just

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like Kim, you ain't shit, yep.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
And that's the thing I want to preface that too,
Like I don't like Barry, like I don't think he's
that great of a guy. He might be trying to
swindle her out of what she's owed in their negotiations.
I don't fucking know. I wish we were privy to that.
I wish we could see the documentation and the coins
and all that. I want to know how much he
actually makes, if he makes ten times more than what

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in Black makes, But I don't trust him. Plas's victim
story either, correct. So that's my two cents on that.
And then we have Ethan and the rowdies, which is
like Isaac and some of their other guy friends. And
I think his girlfriend's there, and I think Teagan's there.
They're all maybe she's not, but they're all hanging out
at some cabin or something.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It looked like it was Isaac's home when they're barbecuing
and such.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I don't know if it was his homer. I think
it's I'm staying at a property.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I think that was his home, but I don't think
it matters.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
But they're all like hanging out and they're gonna meet Zach,
Lydia's blue friend, and Lydia's bringing him over, and this
scene made me upset for Zach.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I was really upset. I was triggered by this.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Ethan and Isaac are just.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Everybody, Tagan too, and the other two wherever they were,
she was, Teagan was there, but Teagan was there and
she was laughing.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
What she laughing at. So all of them were laughing
at Zach, like their first interaction, meeting this guy and
making him feel really uncomfortable, making Lydia feel really uncomfortable.
I felt really bad for them.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I was so chagrined to see this from just people
like I don't have high hopes for Ethan Plath. I
personally don't think he's an emotionally developed person. I just
think that he's broken and I just don't I just
don't know where he gets off making fun of somebody
else for not being socially adjusted or understanding like how

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to be a person in the world. Like we met
you when you had never even had a sip of coke.
You did not know how to use an ATM. You
were an absolute, you know, novice to life. And here
we have this guy Zach, who I mean is different
from a duck dynasty over here, Like he's a different person.
But that doesn't mean he's not a kind person. It

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doesn't mean he's not a sweet person. It doesn't mean
that Lydia doesn't love him, right, And the way you
call yourself a Christian and this is a shit that
kills me, Beatrice. It's like these Christians that are so
judgmental of people and so willing to other people just
to make them feel separate and apart, when the ultimate

(25:17):
principle of Christianity is to love your neighbor as you
love yourself, right well, to love God first and then
love your neighbor as you love yourself. Yeah, and so
Ethan wants to talk about being a Christian, and everybody
wants to talk about their core values, but like when
it comes time to actually demonstrate that with a young
man who doesn't have a lot of life experience. All
he knows is that he loves your sister. This is

(25:40):
how you treat him. That's bully behavior. It's obnoxious. And
I was so upset for Lydia and for Zach. I
was just like, that is so cringe, dude.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Well and it's so like unfortunate because we see this
scene of them laughing at him, and it's so disgustingly
rude and just inappropriate on all front. But then you
have Ethan in his talking head being like, yeah, well
we were laughing about like some inside jokes and you know,
it probably wasn't the nicest thing, but like whatever, and
it's like, no, not whatever. You were very rude. You

(26:12):
were objectively rude, and maybe you should make an apology
to Lydia and to Zach on camera or at least
and just be like, yeah, sorry, I was an asshole.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I'm just wondering where Ethan gets the hubris and the
audacity to treat somebody else like that, Like he was
so up in arms with how his family treated Olivia
and how his family didn't accept Olivia.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Because Olivia was mad about it.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Well but okay, well we could have that conversation. But
like he was very activated by how Olivia was treated,
and then you're just gonna go two years later and
treat this guy, yeah, in a way that makes him
feel like he doesn't belong and is unwelcome, which is
the same thing that Olivia felt. I was just like,
what do you what are you doing and why are

(26:56):
we doing this? This is a high school not that you'd
know because you didn't go to school, right, dumb, It's
like this is high school mean guy and girl behavior
really unbecoming.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, it definitely is. It speaks to how he has
become like a harder edged person after his divorce, and
like not in a good way, like he's he's meaner,
he's bitter, he's a little bit more like outspoken, but
like not in the right ways, like he's just he's
he's hard.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, he's rude. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
No, I thought it was so bad.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah. And then the final thing that happened in episode two,
which we continue in episode three, was Veronica and Micah
fighting about the family and how Veronica doesn't like the family,
doesn't want to be a part of the family. And
then it comes out that the major grievances that Veronica
has is actually with Micah, because Micah is a cheat NASO.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yes, and apparently she was in the process of dealing
with Micah's expansive infidelity. It wasn't just one girl, it
was like multi a lot girls and boys just wondering
like multiple partners. So she was dealing with that, which
is deeply traumatic, and at the same time, all the

(28:11):
crap with Mariah was going down, and so I think
that amplifies in her mind and in her body, like
it amplifies the conflict with Mariah because I think she
at this point as we are watching, I think she's
trying not to deal with all of the pain that
she's feeling from Micah, so she's choosing to sort of

(28:33):
pivot and just place it all on Mariah. It's not
that Mariah doesn't deserve some of it or all of
it or whatever, but I just feel like she's displacing
what she's really feeling, which is betrayal because Micah cheated
on her.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I agree, Yeah, and that brings us to episode three,
entitled The Cabin in the Woods. Yeah, and we start
off this episode with actually meeting Ethan's girlfriend Tigan. Yes,
his smoking hot girl friend.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Is what he likes to say I saw her bod,
and I am not above or below commenting on somebody's
bod when it's beautiful and fantastic, and I'm just like, oh.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
My gol god. And she's had a kid.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
She's a brick house. That woman is stacked. She's pretty.
She seems like a sweet young lady.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I was just like, okay, go weave it.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I know for real. So Ethan and Teagan, I guess
met online. They've been dating for about ten ish months
at this point. She's from Wisconsin and he's living in
Minnesota still, and so she was quite the drive for
her and everything. But she made it for Ethan because
she is sprung over him too, just like he sprung

(29:44):
over her.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, she slid into his DM.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I said, hey, I like your motorcycle. It's really nice.
He checked out her profile and was like I really
like you. Yeah. So then they started dating.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yes, And I don't know, I kind of like, I
think she's sweet. And from this initial scene, like they're
driving through kro and he's like showing her like all
of his little spots and everything and reminiscing about his
childhood and he's talking about his relationship with Teagan and
how he really enjoys this relationship because Teagan respects not

(30:18):
only his childhood and like how he was brought up,
but he respects or she respects his family and respects
his relationships with his family, which he says is a
breath of fresh air from Olivia, because Olivia had major
beef with his family and also shot all over his
childhood and shat all over his upbringing, which he's actually
very fond of, which I think is nice. I look,

(30:41):
we can have our comments about his upbringing and how
Kim royally fucked these kids up and did not educate
them and everything, but like if he was happy with it.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, Yeah, And it's interesting to me that he's claiming
that Olivia shot all over his childhood when Olivia had
much the same childhood. She comes from the same type
of fundamentalism. But she was, obviously when they were together,
in process of deconstructing that and trying to figure out
how she really felt about that, and so maybe in

(31:11):
the process of that ended up villainizing part of his
life and his childhood and his family, and some of
that maybe wasn't even about them, although I think a
lot of it was I think there was a lot
of dysfunction in the Plath family, but I think some
of that was Olivia projecting onto them and him like
what she was trying to work through. So I can
see that Ethan is still traumatized by his relationship with Olivia, yes,

(31:36):
and the divorce, and I think Olivia is also traumatized.
I feel like when he's using it as a contrast
point to his relationship with Teagan, like always referencing back
to how it was with Olivia, Like I loved Tigan
because when I was with Olivia it really sucked. I
feel like that's an indication that he's not necessarily dealing
with what he has come out of and how he

(31:58):
really feels about that, and maybe and I just wonder
to myself, whether there's some substitution that is happening, meaning
he's substituting another person so that he doesn't have to
really sink deeply into everything that he experienced with Olivia,
how that made him feel. And also like the connotations
of Olivia's process and what that might say about him too,

(32:21):
Like that's deep though, that's layers upon layers upon layers.
I don't think Ethan I think he's a cro magnet.
I don't think he has the capacity to even understand
that he should be asking those questions. But I'm just
looking at Teagan, who seems like a beautiful young woman.
She's a mom. I know he was very surprised to
hear she was a single mom, and so I thought
that was so cool though, because she can relate to

(32:44):
kim Plath in a different way, and she also sees
Ethan and his relationship with his parents and family in
a different way that you know, somebody like Olivia couldn't
she didn't have that lived experience. I just think that
this whole thing is so interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think it's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And although we don't like a lot of how Ethan behaves,
and I think he's so crippled and he's bracken disabled
emotionally and that that causes him to behave in a
bad way, which we're going to get to some of that. Like,
even so I feel like I just feel like this

(33:20):
sense of hope for him, Yeah, that he can come
through that if he just applies himself to the process
that he's in. But if he's just going to deny
it and just like shock up with Teagan and I
have to deal with it. Well, then he's just going
to continue to be who he is.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I'm really hoping that he can actually take this
opportunity to grow up a little bit and like try
to see maybe where Olivia was coming from in some perspectives,
because we've talked about this at length about like how
Olivia was traumatized and probably reacted a lot with her
vitriolog against the past because of her own shit with
her own family and as she was projecting a lot

(33:56):
of that onto that. But there the plaths are dysfunctional
as well, Like we're not we're not hiding that. I
don't know. I hope that he can grow with Teagan.
I think Teagan's really sweet, and I think that she
is obviously really in love with Ethan, and she always
she's like calling the hansom a lot, and like she's
sitting in his old fashioned car and just like listening
to him to talk about his childhood, and she's not

(34:18):
judging him for it, and she's not shitting all over it.
She's not even really commenting about it.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
She's just like hijacking it and then making it about
her and her childhood. She strikes me as somebody who
has an innate ability to hold space, yes, and just
be able to witness where somebody else is. And I
like it with grace, and like when we get to
Veronica later, girl like, it's just becomes like such a
comparing contrast between those two girls.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, and Tegan's only twenty four too, so she's young.
She's younger than Ethan, but she's kind of mature. And
maybe that's because she's a mom and she's promming up
a little bit. I thought that was really interesting though,
that she's a single mom, and like Ethan didn't bad
an eye about it, because Ethan's a bit of a
traditional you know, I am Christian man.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
But he's just a judgmental of lifestyles, yes, and he
is insane, and he blames his judgment of alternative lifestyles
on his Christianity as well. Then if that's the case,
why aren't we having the same energy for somebody like Teagan.
I mean, I'm glad he doesn't, That's what I'm saying,
because Teacan doesn't deserve it, but neither do gay people, right,
other people are. But yeah, I just think it's interesting,

(35:21):
probably because she's got great knockers maybe he's a dude.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I guess, maybe he's just yet at the titties. I
don't fucking know. And then we hear an interesting comment
about Ethan with his divorce with Olivia, because apparently they
are not legally divorced yet because they both filled in
the paperwork incorrectly. They didn't know that it was incorrectly
filled out because they both moved and so nothing got finalized.

(35:45):
So Ethan says he hired an attorney to try and
mediate all this so he didn't have to deal with
Olivia ever again and talk to her ever again. But
according to Ethan, Olivia is not responding to his attorney
and not responding to his texts, which is interesting because
Olivia is on Instagram current day saying that Ethan is
the one that won't sign the divorce papers and Ethan's

(36:07):
not responding to her. So I'm like, where's the truth.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Hmmm, where's the truth? Well, I could play Devil's advocate
like you. So if I were to play Devil's advocate
for Ethan, I would say, well, there's that colonel inside
of him that was a young man when he fell
in love with Olivia, and he still is a little
bit in love with Olivia and therefore has jug or
dragged his feet to sign those divorce papers. But then

(36:31):
on the other side of that, I can play Devil's
advocate for Olivia because maybe she sees that this TLC
gig is going away, like she has not been featured
but once in three episodes, and I think based on
how she's conducting herself currently on Instagram, which is coming
for production, coming for TLC, coming for the show, it
feels like she's being phased out and she knows it. Yeah,

(36:54):
But I just think that she's somebody who's quite attention seeking,
and so if Ethan is the last lifeline to the attention,
then she's not going to necessarily want to cut off
that light lifeline, and so she's not signing the papers.
My intuition, bitch, was that she's not signing him because
she's either making it hard for him because she's you know,

(37:16):
petty LaBelle yet and I can appreciate that, and or
she is not giving up her last name because she
wants to stay connected to the show, and she's not
signing the divorce papers because she wants to stay connected
to Ethan. Don't come for me. These are just ideas.
We're just talking about them.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's kind of my thought. And I'm like, again, I'm
not like an apologist for Ethan, And I'm like, I'm
not trying to simp for him, because i think he
is not free from faults, like he's a piece of
shit sometimes. But like, I think Ethan's telling the truth
here that he hired An at Journey and Olivia is
the one that's not responding. I think he wants to
be over it. I think he wants to be done

(37:53):
with the divorce and be done with it. He seems
over it. I know he keeps bringing up Olivia, but
I think that that's because the TLC produce heart making
him bring up Olivia, similar to what has been happening
with Christine talking about Kriti constantly even though she's already
in a new relationship. That's kind of what it's giving
to me, but don't come for me well.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
And also Ethan seems really sprung by Teagan, like he's
really into Titkin. No, I'm sorry, Oh my god, I'm
sorry Tittigin. Like he's really into Teagan. And Tiken seems great.
She's not only I mean, she just has great Bosoms though,
and I'm just calling her out. Yeah, I'm like, oh
my god, I remember when I was twenty four as well,

(38:34):
Oh my god, that bought is killer. So I think
he's sprung for all that. Plus her, she seems like
a quality young lady, and so I don't think he'd
be dragging his heels on the divorce. I remember when
I was married, my sick and he husband, and we
were going through the whole process. Girl, it took from
two thousand and eight to twenty and eleven.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Stop it.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, it was ivo before we actually divorced, but it
wasn't until he met someone new that he that He's like, okay,
well let's get this going. And he made a lot
of great concessions. I have to say, like we finally
were able to push it through. And so I think
that's where Ethan is. He wants it to be done.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
And maybe that's the other thing. Maybe he was dragging
his feet until he went mean and now he wants
to light the fire and be like I'm done.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
And now Olivia is like, oh there's another woman, and
oh she's pretty, and now I'm gonna drag my heels.
I don't like that, So it's exactly what it feels like.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yes, yeah, because they're young and this was their first marriage. Yeah,
it was not a good breakup, so like I get
I get it on all fronts, you know. And then
we go to Veronica and Micah where we pick up
where we left off in last episode where they're talking
about the cheating. This is where we hear more in
depth to the extent to the level of how much

(39:45):
of a ho Micah was, because apparently they were long
distance for like seven months or something, and during that
time where they were long distance, Micah was fucking a lot.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Apparently he was doing something I'm doing a lot. We
saw him going on dates when he was in Los Angeles,
and I was thinking, as I was watching this episode
of Michael, was Veronica waiting back in Florida for him?
Was Veronica at that time thinking that they were in
some kind of a relationship. But yeah, we saw him
going on dates and being romantic and pursuing other people.

(40:19):
And Micah tells us in this scene that he just
wasn't ready to commit. What really kind of got me
in my fields was when Veronica was like, you know,
the reason I didn't tell anybody, I think the producer
asks her, like, we did you When did you forgive him?
Or why did you forgive him? And she's like, I
actually had to forgive myself because you know, I was

(40:41):
caught in this loop of questioning whether it was me.
Is it because I'm too tall? Is it because I
am masculine? Is it because I have all these other
things going against me? Am I causing these problems? Am
I causing Micah to stray? And I was just like,
oh wow, that hurts my heart for her. And when
you keep in mind that at the time, she was

(41:03):
going through it on social media, like people were going
into her Instagram comments and calling her transgendered or like
saying all of these terrible things to her like that
at point she had to come out and show pictures
of herself as a young girl and say like I'm
not transgender, Like why do you guys? Why do you
always do this? And I felt really bad and she

(41:23):
starts crying on the couch because she felt so less
then and then we go back to Micah and he
talks about like how he moved from LA to Florida
and when he did, he just never closed the doors
with all the girls. Guys girls and guys that because
remember when he was in La, he kind of said

(41:45):
that he was open to both sexes, right, He's like,
I'm just curious or whatever. So he never closed the door.
And then he would like take trips to New York
and there was somebody in New York and Veronica had
no idea, which is trophic, yes, and tragic, absolutely terrible,
and Micah like, how are you fucking terrible? Ab you right?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Like what the fuck are you doing? And then he
says when she found out, so he was hiding it,
like even when he moved from La to Florida, he
was still fucking around. Then Veronica ended up finding out,
and then he said that was the point where he
like cut off everything. He gave Veronica full access to
his phone. He says he deeply regrets all of this,

(42:29):
and it seems like maybe he does. But at the
same time, I'm like, Micah, the fuck, like why did
you make this huge move? This just speaks to your
point earlier about how we're kind of concerned about Micah,
Like what's going on with you, bro? I'm not saying
I'm not trying to make any justifications for his cheating.
Cheating is wrong always, it's terrible to do to people.

(42:52):
He's a terrible person for doing this to Veronica because
she's obviously deeply traumatized.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
He's destroyed, But I'm like destroyed.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
What is going on with you emotionally? That you were
doing all of this and then you committed even though,
like he said, I committed before I was ready to commit,
And yet you're still committed to this girl who you
have deeply hurt. Like, why don't you just break it off?
And Veronica, why don't you do dis ess?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
It's a tale as old as time. I mean, people
have dealt with infidelity in their relationships and they make
different choices to try and live with it or live
without it. I just feel like Micah is a consummate hobosexual.
I think he needed a place to live. I think
Veronica was and is an accomplished professional person. I believe

(43:38):
she's in real estate. I think she had a home.
He needed a home or else he was going to
have to move home with Barry and do that whole thing,
and so she provided a sense of stability. And furthermore,
her archetype in terms of being a partner and a
woman was like a very strong domineering kind of archetype,
which is similar to his mother. And so you have

(44:00):
these kids, in various ways, seeking out relationships with partners
that resemble the relationships that they saw model to them
by Kim and by Barry. So they're either hooking up
with emotionally unavailable people, or they're hooking up with these
women in particular who are controlling, domineering, and calling the shots.
And so I think Micah fell into something that felt

(44:22):
very familiar to him, and even though it would not
feel familiar to me and I would be uncomfortable and
I would be not into it, for someone who grew
up in that and who only knows that, it probably
feels like home. And so on some level, maybe Veronica
felt like home for him, and he's like, let me
just navigate this and do the very best that I can,
even though he wasn't necessarily feeling Veronica. And I think

(44:45):
that at some point that's where we got.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I think he was like not feeling her, I think,
and then she could sense that, whether energetically, whether they
talked about it, and then she started to act out yep,
and her behavior became a problem. And now here we
are Season seven, and she's just like to me, She's like,
I don't she's off her rocker.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
She is in certain scenes well, and this like when
we're talking about the cheating and you see her crying,
like you see her being vulnerable here, and like she
had talked about being bullied online. I'm like, Okay, this
is the issue. Like you were cheated on multiple multiple
times by this very handsome young man that you probably

(45:25):
are like so into because he's so handsome and he's
sweet sometimes and he can be like he's more emotionally
intelligent I think than Ethan at times, because even when
he's like describing the whole Mariah and Veronica situation, like
he's very I don't know, he's able to see all
sides of it. But like I can see where Veronica

(45:47):
would fall in love with him and then try to
make it work because she's really into him and be
fueled by that insecurity of like being cheated on, and like,
but I still want to be enough for you though,
Like it's again, like you said, a tale as old
as time. But I'm like, Veronica, deal with this shit
with you and Micah without tearing down the rest of

(46:09):
the fucking family. Yeah, why are we going after Mariah?
Why are we going after.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Because it's a Wayah, it's fucked up. It's not necessarily
about Mariah, it's not necessarily about Barry. And it's not
that they didn't do anything wrong. We really haven't learned
too much about like what went down exactly. But in
addition to whatever that was, it is a way to
hurt Micah because you can see that he is in pain.
He is about this situation and he's trying to figure

(46:37):
out how to navigate it, how to like bring his
girl to the table and his folks to the table.
But like he doesn't know what to do. And I
feel like maybe Veronica senses this as a weakness and
therefore exploits it.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yes, And to this day, I saw her on her
Instagram story today she is like outing Micah constantly, like
she she found out today that he well, she found
out today that he made a private Instagram and she's like, hey, everybody,
let's go follow him and let's go harass him.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And it's like stop, so gross, dude, it's really really gross.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
He cheated on you. You guys broke up, You had
a messy breakup, Like let it go and be done
with it and be the bigger person. Like it's it's
speaking to her age a little bit, Like she's a
little immature. She's obviously hurting and reacting from a place
of hurt.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
But she just strikes me as somebody who was bullied
as a child. Yeah, And I think because of her
height and like she references this and like her looks,
which I think she's beautiful, and like, I think you're
just donning young woman. Like I think because of that,
she was probably bullied as a child. And sometimes when
that happens, you turn into that as well as a

(47:49):
kind of defense, and you become really strong, really hard,
and you start visiting this stuff that was done to
you upon other people, and you kind of can see this, Yeah,
how she was going off in front of Amber in
the first episode, and how she just launches into her
diatribe with Teagan, who like is just meeting her. Like

(48:09):
she's like, she's doing this reactively. It's not intentional, she's
not like thinking about it. I think it's I don't know,
I mean, she means to do it, but from a
reactive place. I feel like she's reacting from the trauma
of Micah, from the trauma being cheated upon which devalues her,
which is right, probably something she has experienced many many
times over. And she's trying to defend herself in all

(48:32):
these different ways and to me, and I'm like, oh,
you don't need to do all of that. You could
just walk away from this man. And yes he's beautiful,
and yes it's a reality TV show and you could
be famous, but like, you don't need to do this
at all. You could value yourself. You could give that
to yourself. Yep, you wouldn't have to need that from
anybody else, and you could walk away. But she's not there, girl. No,

(48:53):
she's very punitive. She's lashing out, and whoever will listen
is who she will be talking to exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's really sad, honestly, but also aggravating. And then we
shift gears and we have Teagan going to Kim's new
rental house to like meet Kim officially and like meet
the rest of the family. And this was kind of
like a whatever burger, But the only thing that came
out of it was like Ethan expressing how he just

(49:20):
doesn't like Zach and he thinks he's weird and he
doesn't like that Zach wanted to hug him when he
wanted to give him a handshake. And you have Kim
kind of like defending Zach a little bit, which I appreciated.
She's like, you know, he's not as macho as you, Ethan,
but like maybe Lydia's into that, and he seems to

(49:41):
be really into Lydia. And then we have Kim expressing
her concern for Lydia getting married so fast because she
wants to make sure Lydia is actually in love with
the guy first. But I'm like, Kim, you fucking did
that too, and you raised Lydia to be this fucking
Jesus freak. I mean Jesus cool period period, but like

(50:03):
you raised her to be this hymn singing Christian Southern
Baptist praying in the closet, young naive girl. And now
you're like gonna pretend you're concerned about her carrying a
guy so quickly. How about you be a mom and
sit down with her and say, hey, you shouldn't do that,

(50:23):
because look at how well it worked out for me.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, there's just so many things that you can indict
Kim and Barry on as it concerns Lydia. But I
mean the alternate side of that is that Lydia has
turned into a truly beautiful young woman. I would say naive,
I would say a bit misguided. Yes, I would say, like,
oh my god, I wish you'd go out and just
have more experiences, particularly with men and romantic Like I

(50:48):
just wish that for you, Lydia. Yeah, but like she
doesn't want that for herself, and that's okay. And she's
an adult woman and that is okay. I think she's
a beautiful person with a big open heart. And Kim,
you raised her to be vulnerable. You raised her to
be able to be taken advantage of by somebody else

(51:10):
who and Zach may not even mean to do this,
like Zach is probably programmed and in the Borg and
the Matrix like the rest of these folks, But like,
you've raised her to be prime pickens for this lifestyle
that's not going to fulfill her. And you know that though, right, Zach,
Because it did not fulfill you. You taught your children
to be this way. And I'm just wondering to myself

(51:32):
as I watched this fantastic show, like, Kim, are you
capable of moments of clarity. No where you see this
about it in your life. I don't know. I wonder.
I don't think she is God. She just dark inside?
Is she just turned off no lights on in the house.
She's drunk, well, but she's not always drunk like in
this scene. She's not drunk. And I do think she's

(51:53):
trying to weakly advocate for lydia. But I'm just like, God,
you could have equipped all of your children so much more.
And I hope Amber and Cassia and Mercy are watching,
and I'm thankful that they're going to get this version
of Kim and Barry versus the indoctrinated horseshit scripture spouting
Kim Barry that you're never able to manage this kind

(52:14):
of life anyway. Fucking hypocrites, straight up.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I just it annoyed me that I'm like, you're being
concerned about this, but then you're not doing anything. You're
not saying anything to her, You're not expressing this concern
as a mom should, as a mom should be like, Hey,
I love you. I know that you love this guy
with his weird teeth, but like, maybe you should wait
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Well maybe she knows, she doesn't have that kind of
credit with her kids. With her kids, maybe maybe she
knows like it would probably be better suited for Ethan
to go and have that conversation because she's lost so
much credit with somebody like Lydia who is a Turbo
Christian dude yea, and she is not going to be
approving of infidelity and the like that is. And so, okay, mom,
now you want to tell me how to be in

(52:56):
a relationship and be happy. I don't think so that
is a great point.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And like speaking of Ethan, like Kim talks about her
relationship with Ethan, and Ethan talks about it too, that
how he wants to have a relationship with his mom
and how he's thankful that he gets to have that
now because when he was with Olivia, Olivia and Kim
had major beef. And I think this is where maybe
I think this is where Ethan says that when Olivia

(53:20):
and Kim had major beef, he had to take Olivia's
side because that was his wife, and so he had
to forego his relationship with Kim and the rest of
his siblings and everything in order to stand by Olivia.
And that didn't work out for him. So now, he's
thankful that he has Teagan who respects his relationship with
his mom and respects the fact that he wants to

(53:41):
have a relationship with her. She's supportive, and Kim echoes
this and is like, you know, I'm really glad. I'm
really grateful that I can have this relationship, especially with Ethan,
because I will lost so many years with him, and
I'm just thankful that he's in my life now and
that he can be at my house and I get
to meet his girlfriend and I get to be involved.
And she gives him that quilt that she made out

(54:02):
of some old T shirts that he had that he
didn't want to get rid of. And I guess this
was supposed to be a wedding gift that she never
ended up giving them because she thought Olivia would burn it.
I don't know how true that is or if that's
just like a dig at Olivia.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, And that's the thing, And I just have to
say that I hear what she's saying about all this
lost time with Ethan, but there was no ownership on
and why that happened. It was all just placed on Olivia,
Like Olivia wouldn't let him talk to his family, Olivia
needed to control him and what he did. I'm like, okay,

(54:36):
but Kim, what about you? What did you do to
alienate Olivia? What did you do to a strange ethan
and Olivia from the rest of the family. We know
that you wouldn't let Isaac join the music band, We
know that you wouldn't let the siblings spend any time
with them. There were a lot of things that you
did to contribute to that estrangement. But all I'm hearing

(54:57):
you talk about in this moment is about Olivia.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah and no, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Because I watched all the seasons, Kim and you had
a hand in that, a bit hand, and that she
did well.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
That's the thing, is like two things can be true
at once, right. It's like Olivia had her part to
play in the division and the family, but Kim fucking
did too.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
And I just want to hear that, and I want
to hear that from Kim, and I want to hear
that from Olivia. I mean, I would love to hear
from Olivia if she were saying something like, look, I
was insecure, I was deconstructing, deprogramming, I was trying totally
freaked out based on my own lived experience, and now
I'm like put into this weird family and they're trying
to control us and they're stealing our money or whatever

(55:41):
it is. But I shouldn't have done this, or I
could have done this differently and better. Like I'd love
to hear that from Olivia, but I give her more
of a pass because she's young. She's still in the
process too. And then you have Kim fifty four or
whatever her age is the age she should know better, yes,
and she should be to take accountability, and maybe she

(56:01):
has off camera, but I mean i'd love to see
it personally as a viewer.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I doubt it. Yeah, Like Kim is one of those
people that like she's just as bad, but as some
of these younger kids that are like super immature. It's like, Kim,
you're fifty fucking four, you can have that emotional awareness
of like, yeah, I should have been nicer to Olivia.
I was hurt. I was going through my bullshit in
my marriage where I'm metopausal and I'm married to an

(56:26):
actual fucking robot, and I'm super It's sorry, I'm It's like,
you know, Kim could have that Wherewithal, but she didn't,
you know, because Kim's also the same person that broke
up her family by cheating on Isaac's cheating on Barry,
with Isaac's flight and structure, Like, she's so emotionally immature too,

(56:47):
and that's what's so frustrating. Kim sucks, Olivia sucks, Barry sucks,
Ethan sucks. A lot of these people suck.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
A lot of them suck. Now Isaac for me, Isaac sucks.
And you know, I was holding that hope for a
little Isaac because he's still Yeah, but like when he
was sitting at that table laughing at Zach, I was
just like, please don't do that. Please don't be this person,
Please don't become this person, just because it was demonstrated
to you by your fucked up family.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I know I would hope. I would hope that Pooky
Bear would confront him later and be like, Yo, that
was mean, that was not okay. But Isaac's also young too.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Oh my god, it wasn't Teagan, it was Kaylin. I
was gonna say, I don't think was not there. You're right, Yeah,
it was my bad. Yeah, I take it back. Good,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
And then we have Ethan talking with Lydia.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Oh my God about Zach. We have been talking so long.
We have to show but like we have to die
a lot, We've got to get into it.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
We've got to get into it. So Ethan, I think
they're at the Platt family farm, and Ethan's got Teagan there,
and Lydia says that she really likes teak In, she
fits into the family. And then Teacan goes and leaves,
and then Ethan and Lydia have their private conversation in
the middle of the field where which.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Is where she's gonna get married though with the lights hanging?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, which will be really pretty.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
And we've seen the pictures and it looked lovely.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I'm excited to see what happens at that wedding. I
hope we get to see the fight.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Oh my God, please Jesus please, I want to please
pretty that happened.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
But anyway, so Ethan is going there to talk to
Lydia because he says he wants to offer her an
alternative perspective that no one seems to be giving her,
which is to proceed with caution and to be a
little bit wary of the fact that this is really
fast and he's coming at it from I think the

(58:34):
perspective of an older brother trying to look out for
his younger sister. He I think is trying to be protective.
But Ethan is chromagnum, so you know, it comes off
a little bit differently than how he's saying to the
cameras how he wants to come off. But he asks
Lydia like, what do you see this guy? And Liddy's like, well,

(58:55):
I just love him, and he's like godly and like,
I don't know, it's just great as amazing, and Ethan's like, well,
it's a little fast though. You guys have only known
each other for like three months, and Ldie is like, well,
actually four months, so if that matters. And Ethan's like, yeah,
you know, I just I don't know if I like him.
He's like, I don't like him because I don't know him.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
He didn't say I don't know if I like him.
He said I don't like him.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, he said, I don't like him because I don't
know him.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
And this weird editing thing happened in this scene, which
is where Lydia starts to cry and we're told as
the viewer that she's crying because she's having this connecting
moment with Ethan where he's showing her that he really
loves her and he wants to take care of her.
But it felt like to me that she started to
cry because Ethan said he did not like Zach. That's

(59:43):
what it felt like to me. And it was in
response to that, And I'm like, Ethan, you were doing
so great. You were saying, look, I'm just worried about you. Look,
the timeline's going a little fast. Look, I've been in
a situation it didn't really work out for me. He
didn't say that, but I'm sure he was thinking that.
He being very kind and are you sure, and doing
the older brother kind of thing. But then he said

(01:00:06):
I don't like him, And I thought to myself, like,
did you really need to say that? Like all of
your other points are valid, but to say that you
don't like him? And how are you going to qualify that?
Because she's like, well, why don't you like him? And
he has nothing to say. He's like, well, maybe I
just don't know him. Yeah, I haven't spent all Well,
then then you don't not like him. It's just you

(01:00:28):
don't know. But you said you don't like him, and
I just felt really bad for Lydia because she is
so in love for whatever reason. I'd she is so
in love with Zach and she really believes in this
path for her life, which I do not co sign
or approve of, but she wants it for herself. And
you're telling her you don't like her future husband. I'm like,

(01:00:49):
that's harsh. You could have said that different. You should
have said that different. And if that were my brother,
I would have said, you know, you really you hurt
my feelings with that. Yeah, you don't know him. And furthermore,
we tried to, like go to dinner with you and
Isaac and the rest of the people, and you laughed
at my future husband. You made fun of him. That

(01:01:10):
hurts my feelings. Ethan. Yeah, That's what I saw on
her face. But then it turned into all of a sudden, well,
I guess he cares, And I'm just so shocked and
grateful that Ethan cares.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Well. I think she was like crying for multiple reasons,
and because Lydia is also really young and naive and
comes from the same cloth that Kim and Berry are
cut from, like where she doesn't really know how to
express all that she's feeling. I think she's feeling like,
my feelings are hurt because you my older brother, my
oldest brother, doesn't like my future husband. But at the

(01:01:40):
same time, you know, Ethan says something like he hugs
her when she starts crying, and he's like, I guess
I just don't know you very well and like I
haven't gotten to talk to you very much and now
you're gone. And I think that's kind of where her
emotion was coming from. I don't, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I think it was part of it well, but I
think it started with not liking Zach.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Maybe I think that she was crying because like she realizes, yeah,
you don't know me, and she says that to that
was part of it, like you don't know me. And
I kind of related to Lydia on that front because
I felt the same way with my own family, because
my own family didn't really like your daughter my wife
when they first got together, because we also moved really fast,

(01:02:26):
and it was it was kind of rapid the way
that we got together and like we moved in and
then we got married.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Really could I know the most wonderful person I know?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Well? And that's the thing. It's like, maybe Zach is
really wonderful and it's like Ethan, how could you not
like him? And he makes or he makes Lydia really happy.
It's the same thing with your daughter. And so with
my family, I felt the same way that Lydia felt,
of like they don't really know me, they don't really
know they're not really involved in my life, and they
don't really know my relationship, and like, who are you

(01:02:57):
to say that you don't like my person that I
I'm picking for my life, Like I know what I
want and I know that I love this person, and
like my family just didn't know that. And for the
longest time, that really hurt, and I think I felt
that with Lydia. So that was just like my connection.
I think that that was where it was coming from,

(01:03:17):
because they do express that, and Lydia does express like,
you know, I can see that he's just trying to
be protective, and I think Ethan was trying to be
protective in his own chromagnet fucking way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
But he was also being an asshole, and he was
also being judgmental. I don't know if he means and
there's nothing wrong with Zach just because Zach doesn't present
in the same human way that you do. Doesn't mean
there's something wrong with Zach. Just because Zach is a
little softer, a little gentler, he likes to sing, he
likes to do things with Lydia, they like to laugh,
they like to dance, doesn't mean that there's something inherently
wrong with Zach that's actually really charming. A lot of

(01:03:51):
girls would like that. He seems like a wonderful young man.
And just because he's not like you, Ethan, doesn't mean
he's bad for Lydia or like a weird person or gay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Sure, yes, I think that the other layer of all
of this is that he doesn't even know the fucking dude,
and like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
But he's already judged him and he's already made fun
of him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I agree, I just I think he also doesn't know
the dude. And now you're gonna marry my young, impressionable,
blank slate of a sister. I don't know you, I
don't know your intentions. I don't know your intentions with
my family. And now the first time I meet you
is I'm going to propose and I'm going to ask
for Lydia's hand in marriage. Like I can understand the

(01:04:33):
perspective of definitely valting like who are you though?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yes, but he's conducted himself out of integrity up until now.
Therefore he loses points, he loses legitimacy in having this conversation.
But I mean Lydia is too naive and too in
love with Ethan as her brother to like fault him
for it. But I fault him for it. I think
he's handled this terribly, Yes, and it's not fair. And

(01:04:57):
Zach seems like a nice person.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yes, And I hope that things get better from here,
because I think they do. I think because I've I've
checked all of their social medias and Zach is still
following all of the plaths. He's still friends with all
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So I guess they didn't try to set him on fire, No,
they because I mean, I don't know if you tried
to set me on fire, which is something by the way,
that Veronica has said that Micah and Isaac and Ethan
did was try to set Zach's a hate crime, like so,
and who am I I don't know. I'm just sitting
up here in North Texas just I'm enjoying my brisket

(01:05:31):
and watching a TV sual. I don't know what actually happened,
but it just seems to me that Zach would probably
not be following those boys if they had done that,
although you know, he's a very Christian forgiving guy. So
I don't know the whole story, but it just doesn't
seem plausible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
No, I don't think so either. But anyways, so Lydia
cries her brother doesn't like Zach and he just Ethan
just gives her a hug a hug and is like,
you know, I hope that you'll be happy, and then
he does talk to the camera about how he believes
in God and that he believes God gives us all

(01:06:07):
free will, and this was kind of interesting. That God
gives us all free will, which means that we also
have to deal with the consequences of our actions and
our behaviors and everything, and that Lydia is saying that
this relationship is all divine and that God is planning
all of this for them, and therefore it is absolving
her of any kind of responsibility from this act of

(01:06:30):
free will, which is marrying Zach after four months of
being with him and not kissing him like he speaks
to that. I thought that was kind of interesting. And
this is where We've talked about this before in the past,
that Ethan has these like weird moments of like emotional
clarity or like this ability to express like kind of
more complex ideas ideas, yes, where his chromagnum brain can

(01:06:58):
always like express it. It's just it's kind of interesting
that he had this dialogue because I think it's kind
of true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I think it's true as well. And I think if
Ethan were to get therapy and like an education and
just like open up his brain and his heart, like
he would be able to like understand the way of
the world in humanity, but like he's very closed off
in a lot of different ways.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
He really really is, and he really would benefit from
fucking therapy. Yes, I wish he would get therapy. All
of them would benefit from therapy, indeed, like especially Ethan
and especially Mariah and Micah probably yes. And then the
last scene of this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
God, I hope. So we've been here for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I know it is a long one and there's a
lot of the things to talk about, but the last
scene is that we have the day of Lydia's surprise proposal,
and so like a lot of the family are starting
to get together and rally up because they're going to
go hide in the bushes or something, while Zach proposes
to Lydia, and we have Veronica and Micah who are
staying at some weird haunted cabin that burying kim own.

(01:07:58):
I think it's like one of their vacation property. Yeah,
it looks terrible, looks absolutely horrible. But they're staying at
this haunted cabin. And then Ethan and Taguan arrive to
I don't know, get together with them and do some
kind of portion of the surprise proposal. But we start
with Veronica and Micah. Veronica's already mad because she can't

(01:08:18):
find her fake fucking eyelashes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Well, she's worked herself up on the way up from
Florida because she feels like she's going to have to
confront the family, and she's on a mission really to
call them out and tell them how she feels. And like,
as this scene continues, we hear Ethan and we hear
Micah saying, well, like, okay, valid, I guess, but like
maybe not today though maybe not on the day that

(01:08:43):
Lydia is going to be engaged to Zach, like can
you just hold it in? But like Veronica is ramping
up to being very disruptive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, and like she's starting off negative, really negative, so negative.
She's like getting mad at Micah because she can't he
can't find her makeup or whatever. And like Micah speaks
to the camera about how he's really trying to like
manage Veronica's emotions and he's like trying to make sure
everything's okay. He wants to cultivate this relationship with Veronica,

(01:09:12):
but he doesn't want to do that at the sake
or at the expense of his family and his relationships
with his family, So he's walking a very tight rope.
He does not seem very happy no having to do
all of this, and it's a really unfair position for
Micah to be in in a relationship where he has
to manage Veronica's emotions. And Veronica speaks to the camera
of like, yeah, he's doing everything he can to make

(01:09:34):
sure that I'm not set off, ha ha ha, and
it's like that's toxic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, Like you should be regulating your own emotions, yes,
And Micah should be handling his family on behalf of
the relationship that he has with you, But he does
not have a responsibility to be managing you and whether
you're going to pop off or not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
No, not at all. It's crazy. And then when Ethan
and Tigue and arrive, like this is the first time
that girl Veronica's even meeting Teagan honey, and she already
has like a chip on her shoulder because I guess
she like Facebook stocked Teagan. It is like, well, we
already have a lot in common because we're both tall
blondes that like went to college in Florida, and we
both like played volleyball, So maybe we'll get along or

(01:10:15):
maybe we'll be a wormhole that will consume each other.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
It's like settled down out, like can't we just exist?
And can't you just meet somebody and have it be easy?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Straight up?

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
How does it have to be? Like so much agro
energy brought into every moment. And then she meets Deagan
and Tiacon is kind of timid, she's a little bit shy.
When she met Kim, for example, she was very quiet.
She did not know what to say. And so then
here she meets Veronica, who's like all energy, all hard edge,
and Veronica immediately launches into talking crap about the family

(01:10:47):
and talking crap about Mariya and what happened with Mariah
and how Barry did this and how the family did that.
And I'm just like, Tiakan is just meeting you, do
you have a fundamental inability need to like pop out
of yourself and just observe yourself in this moment, Like
how crazy you seem. It's not that what you're saying
isn't valid. It's not like you haven't been through a

(01:11:09):
lot for Veronica, But the way you are conducting yourself,
I say again, is discrediting the thing that has happened
to you. So now people can point and say, ill,
look at how she's acting. Absolutely not and she's still
doing it. Oh social media on Reddit. I mean she
is up in every subreddit just defending herself and being
sarcastic to people who disagree with her. Like very unbecoming behavior.

(01:11:30):
And it doesn't need to be that way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
No, it doesn't at all. It's crazy. And like you
have sweet Teagan saying to the camera, like, you know,
I want to be the kind of person that like
holds space for a conversation and like is present in
the moment, but like I don't think that it's appropriate
to be talking mad shit about other people, especially on
a day that is supposed to be about Lydia and
her secret proposal that's supposed to be very special, and like, Veronica,

(01:11:56):
you're starting shit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
And out of the gate starting shit, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
And then they all four sit together and they talk
more mad shit, and it's like all centered around Veronica
and how she feels because she's scared about seeing Marian,
She's scared about seeing Barry because she hasn't seen them
since the day of the concert last year, and she
feels like she's got to confront them about how they
mistreated her on the day of Lydia's proposal.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Which really does point to the fact that Veronica is
something's wrong with you, Like, I feel like you've got
main character syndrome. Are you yourself some kind of a
narc It's again not that you don't have legitimate grievances,
but it's that you can't platform yourself, Like you can't
not platform yourself above everybody else, and there's something inherently
wrong with that. And then it was upon Reddit and

(01:12:45):
I was just like seeing some of the comments that
people were saying about Teagan, yeah, versus how they're like
writing for Olivia and for Veronica and I'm just like,
did you see any of that and what did you get?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yes, it pissed me off. People are like talking about
Teagan's looks, and they're talking about how she's like super
insecure whatever. They're talking shit about how she's just manipulated
by Ethan and all of a sudden, like they're like
tearing her to shreds, and I just think it's based.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
On what she didn't do anything in this episode, a
very nice person and just say I don't want to
gossip about people like I mean, you're for Lydia.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
And I just think it's funny that we get called misogynistic, yeah,
for talking about Olivia and Veronica and being critical of
some of their shitty behavior, But they these same people
mm hmm can be outwardly misogynistic, rul and cruel.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
So very unkind to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
What just because she's with Ethan and she thinks he's handsome.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I don't know. Maybe is Veronica talking crap about Teagan
on social media? But like I don't know what's happening,
like peripherally, I know what I'm watching on the television,
and there's nothing that Teagan has given thus far that
has been objective that has been part of a conflict
that has been argumentative. Like she's just trying to meet

(01:14:07):
the family and be a part of this very special occasion.
So for people online to be tearing her down based
on what your allegiance to Olivia and Veronica, that's whack.
It's gross, it's whack. And people come for us because
we try to have like nuanced views and talk about
like all of the angles, and we do, and we
disagree all the time, and they want to come for
us because we don't one percent agree with you. Guess what,

(01:14:30):
we never are Guess what, Say what you want, think
what you want. We're just gonna watch the show that
TLC presents to us, and we're gonna tell you how
we feel about it. So we're not gonna come fortiagu
in just because she doesn't agree with Veronica in the moment,
Like that's stupid, it's so can't stand that hive mind
bullshit met whether it's women, whether it's men, whatever it is,

(01:14:52):
like you can't see the color, you can't see the nuance,
you can't see the various angles to like see how
people are feeling in a moment. And again I say,
it's not like Veronica doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does.
This girl has been put through it, and Micah, you
ain't shit. But at the same time, we also have
to stand her really bad behavior for actual abusive behavior.

(01:15:16):
If you ask me and throw somebody like teaking under
the bus, I don't get it. I'm not ever gonna
do it. And that's why this podcast might not be
for you if you're sensitive. Sorry facts, I had to
say it, period, I had to say it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Thank you. I add that I've been feeling some type
of way ever since we started this first episode because
I knew all you did.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
You warrant me. I want to watch the show, I
want to recap the show, but I just know we're
gonna have this sea of Harodin's coming for us because
we're not team Olivia or Veronica or Ethan or whatever. Like,
we don't agree necessarily, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
It's like, I'm totally fine if you disagree, that's completely fine,
and I respect it. Entitled to your own opinions. But
to call us missogynistic because we're critical of characters on
the show, fucking while, and to call his misogynistic.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
For that, because you can't have a conversation, go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Around and be misogynistic towards Teagan because she's dating one
of your least favorite characters. This show is absolutely fucking
hypocritical and gross. Sorry about it, fuck y'all. Anyway, back
to get back to Veronica and Micah and Ethan and
Tagan talking mad shit. It's Veronica against the other three
that are trying to advocate for Mariah and for Barry

(01:16:34):
and for this day, for Olivia, for the proposal, and
Veronica's like, no, Mariah Barrier, awful people, I don't even
want to be a part of the family. I feel
like I need to say something because what they did
was absolutely fucking disgusting and terrible, and I need to
confront them. On Lydia's day of her proposal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Then why are you here? That's why you're here. You're
here to create drama, to create drama. You're here to
make it about you, and it'bout your crazy because you
don't know how to process and deal with your own pain.
And what was interesting so selfish.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
It's so fucking selfish, unbelievably, and it's like, also what
I said, I think last week when we covered the
first episode about how this black and white thinking is
gonna get you nowhere if you can't see all sides
of everything. Even Micah speaks to that in this episode.
He's like, I feel like I have the ability to
view my family through my own eyes and also view

(01:17:24):
my family in this situation through Veronica's eyes, But she
doesn't have that ability to do the same for me
and to like to view it from a different lens,
Like she just fews it from her own perspective and
from the fact that her feelings are hurt. And again,
like we mentioned, you even talked about this on the
first episode about how what Mariah did was wrong and
like a shitty thing to do to a friend, but

(01:17:45):
she apologized and Veronica doesn't. It's no and especially now
that we know that the real issue is that Mike
has been cheating on you the entire fucking time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Well, if you can just kind of compare and contrast
with Olivia. When Olivia sat down with Mariah last season,
I think and they tried to just kind of hash
it out. They agreed that they might never be best
friends again, but that they could at least coexist with
one another and forgive one another. Like Olivia has an
infinite amount of grace far surpassing what Veronica is able

(01:18:21):
to do. And I don't see somebody like Olivia ruining
Lydia's day because she has some kind of a grudge
and she needs to talk about it in front of
everybody and call people that. I think she would have
reserved that for a later time because she didn't. She
wouldn't need to make it all about herself. That's what
I personally think. So that's just shining a light on

(01:18:42):
how escalating I think Veronica is and how much she
needs to make it about her. And I feel like
Olivia did that a lot too. I think Kim does that.
I think Mariah does that. But like Veronica is a
whole another Oprah. There's a whole another Oprah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
She's so much louder about it all, whereas like and meaner. Yeah, Like,
whereas like Olivia was just the person that like stayed
in the car and like didn't want to interact with
anybody at like Joshua's memorial, you know, like she was
more passive about it as opposed to Veronica, who wants
to make it a confrontation and like wants to be
mad and like be expressed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
And make it uncomfortable for everybody. And did you notice
I was watching Ethan when they were all talking together,
taking Ethan, Micah, Veronica, and Ethan was trying to reason
with Veronica, well, like you're gonna have to figure out
can you tolerate it. If you can't, then maybe you
don't want to be a part of the family. But
like he was trying to reason with her, but he
was clocking her at the same time, like, oh, this

(01:19:41):
checks out of control, Like there's no actual reasoning with
this woman. She doesn't want to hear it. She wants
to be a disruptor in this family, and we can
have all kinds of conversations about how this family needs
to be disrupted for a lot of different reasons. She's like,
not on Lydia's day though, No, Yeah, this is about
my sister Lydia, sof Veronica, and she's not gonna She's not.

(01:20:03):
It's not no because Mariah has yet to arrive at
the shindig, and when she does, I think it's going
to go down well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
And I'm pretty sure I think I saw previews like
when the season was like airing that I think Veronica
does confront Mariah and I don't know if it's at
this proposal day or if it's at the wedding, but
I know she confronts her like at a big event
or whatever, and it's like so inappropriate, like it's not
the time to do this, and like Ethan is trying

(01:20:31):
to express that in his best chromagnum way, which is like,
there's gonna be funerals, there's gonna be birthdays, Like you're
gonna have to be present for these things, and you're
gonna have to be able to tolerate it. And he
says to the camera like it's that age old saying
if you want to have friends, you have to be friendly,
and I think that that's true. Like a heard he
compares this situation to what happened with Olivia, which I

(01:20:52):
thought was interesting because he's like, this is the same
shit that Olivia did, where she picks a hill to
die on, and that's what she's got to do. She's
got to pick all these little hills to die on
and make a big deal out of all this stuff
when it's like not always the best time. It's just
not always the best time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
No, And there's something to be said for that, yes,
and if the end result of what you really want.
If your goal is to create a sense of peace
and harmony with people, then you would be mindful of
the right time to talk about things and to approach people.
And that's the thing. Though, I don't think Veronica wants peace.
I don't think she wants harmony. I think she wants

(01:21:31):
to sew discord. I think she wants to cause trouble.
That's why we've got her on FaceTime with Olivia, just
trying to make trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
And I can understand the impulse. I get it. I
can see why she's hurt. Of course, I can see
why she really needed the family to rally around her.
But like Mariah's their sibling and daughter, and like, there's
just some things that make it more difficult Veronica. And
it would be really cool if you just learned how
to be a little bit more mature. In my opinion,

(01:22:02):
it's moot though, because we know that after the wedding
Lydia and Zach's wedding that I think Isaac dumps Vernica,
although I think Veronica, I'm sorry, Micah, Micah dumps Veronica.
Although I think Veronica is trying to say that she
dumped Micah, but I actually don't think that's what happened.
I think Micah goes to the hospital because Isaac kicks

(01:22:23):
his ass and he doesn't even tell Veronica, and then
it's over. It's all done, and Veronica, you have everything
to do with that, just like Micah does well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
And it's like you're not listening to anybody, like Ethan
is literally trying to tell you that Mariah is deeply
affected by this situation that happened with you and her,
Like she is so affected that Ethan says she's unrecognizable,
like her appearance is unrecognizable. She looks fucking sad. I
felt the beginning of this episode startled that she is

(01:22:54):
deeply troubled and it's obvious to everyone but you apparently,
and you don't care. You don't give a shit that
she's deeply affected by it, because you only care about
how you feel about the situation. And even though Mariah
tried to apologize to you and the best way that
she knows how, which is in writing, and I think
her apology was earnest.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
I do too. I thought it was really articulate and wonderful, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Still not good enough for you and Ethan does say,
He's like, you know, Mariah should make it right for
write with you in person. She should try to apologize
to you. But like Veronica, you need to do your
best to try and see her side instead of just
only seeing everything through your own lens. It's like crazy,
Ronica is toxic. She's hellotoxicus.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
She's super toxic, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Like Micah tries to tell her, like, can't you just
be thankful for something? And she's like, no, it's not thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
It's like, oh, which I mean right, It's like, oh
my god, yeah, she ate with that. I'm like, no,
that's a toxic really unkind yep, it's really ungrateful, it's
really it's really unattractive.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
It's not emotionally mature in the slightest.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Oh, it's mean. You're a mean person, super mean. And
if you want to show me a different version of yourself,
because you're just hurt in this moment, like I'm willing
to see it, but like what I have seen so far,
you're controlling your mercurial and your.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Mean, your mean, and then you're still popping off.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
My line one year later, cannot control yourself emotionally unregulated.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
And then we get to the preview for next week's
episode and we have Zach in a suit and he's
bossing everybody around. According to Ethan, Ethan doesn't like the
fact that this guy that he thinks is gay is
telling him what to do on the day of Lydia's proposal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
It's a very special day for Zach and he's being
very intentional. And I'm sorry, Ethan, get over it, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
And like Ethan just gets so red hot mad about it,
and he's like, I want to throw him in the water.
I'm like, chill, dude, such Taurus. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Oh, I forgot. He's a tor You can't tell him
what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
No, I think that's kind of what it is. I
think we did their birth churts a while ago. I
think he's got a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Of Tourus and that's Taurus as well. Yeah, he's an
unmovable object.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yes, And it's like, chill out, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
The answer is no, he's not going to No.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
He's not. And then we have Lydia who's getting ready
for the special day. She thinks she's going to spend
a day with her dad, but Barry is going to
drive her over to the field where she's going to
get proposed, and she looks so cute, she looks a
little redstress.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
I can't take it. She's so pretty, She's a ray
of sunshine. She is so sweet, young lady.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
And you know, I will say, like, at least she's
getting married to somebody like Zach who is a little
bit more soft and everything, like, at least there's that. Yeah,
she's not getting married to like some abusive drug exactly exactly.
And then we have Ethan who wants to kind of
test or haze Zach a little bit, some kind of prank,
but he wants to test him because he's like, I

(01:25:53):
gotta do it because if he's going to propose to
my my sister. And then Veronica is literally egging him
on and is like, yeah, let's do it. We got
a test.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
It set fire to the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
And then they set the fire, and I'm like, is
this the fire you were talking about, Veronica when you
made the accusation that he tried to set Zach on fire?
Because you see Zach in the previews that's putting out
the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Oh my god, honey. If she is equating this prank
from Ethan and having Zach stomp the fire out because
it's a joke as them trying to set him on fire,
as the homophobic hate crime. I will never ever get
over it. That was nice, so ridiculous and awful. That's

(01:26:36):
a demonic spirit. I am now entering the realm of
the principalities and the power, yes, which we have to
pray against Veronica.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Now can people? I'm like, is this what you were embellished?

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Because there was a fire a fire, Veronica?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
And if it's just a fucking stupid brother prank and
it's nothing about homophobia or anything of that nature, and
this is when and you participated in.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
It, and you instigated it, you egged it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
On that vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
But that's the cocreta. Just how damn seriously good episodes? Girl?
This season honey is fucking fire fire, let me tell
you like that was My other takeaway is like, whatever
Plathfyll is doing Sister Wives, you need to pay attention

(01:27:34):
because they were listening to the notes, they were paying
attention to what the zeitgeist and the ether was saying,
and they changed stuff. They made Kim admit to her
do you why? And they're showing us more of the
inner workings of this family and the divorce and what's
happening and all of these things. It's so interesting. Of course,

(01:27:56):
we hate everybody, everybody sucks, things are bad and everything,
but it is more authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
It's more raw and gritty and I'm loving it. And
oh my god, I have hope Beatrice too. We're going
to get to the wedding and they're going to show
us that there was a fucking fight between Isaac and
Micah and Micah almost had a dislodged nose off of his.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Bag because I want to know how it even got
to that point, what happened. I want to know what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Why is Isaac drinking? He's only nineteen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
And Lydia is apparently drinking according to Vera, I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Mean, give me one margarita, I mean apparently Veronica's like
I've seen her tank a lot of Margarita's, and so
these kids are drinking underage at the West to there's violins.
I mean, I want to see it all. I want
to see it. Every single Oh we eat so good
to me, he is so good at a dupes is
so good, so fun? Yeah, Well, is there anything else

(01:28:51):
that we need to say to these beautiful raccoons before
we get up on out of here, Beatrice.

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