August 12, 2025 • 45 mins
The Brown family comes together to mourn the loss of Curtis, Kody's brother, and Winn, Kody's dad.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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they've just moved while the Browns as they've moved into
the cul de Sac and begin to have all sorts
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you have any takeaways for this tragedy episode about the Browns.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, I just think it's funny that Cody's like
I love classical music, and my favorite piece of classical music,
oh did Pocabo's Canon?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Indeed, just like probably the only piece you've ever heard though.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right right, I'm just laughing about it. I was a
band kid, so I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Leg I mean, it's a pretty song, but it's so basic. Yeah,
it's very basic, but the most basic. Cody's basic. Cody
is basic.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But he thinks he's so profound. That's what I'm saying.
Like classical music, I love Paco's Canale.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Very refined it is, it's dumb. My takeaway is that
I just I don't know, I was shape shifting into
the life of Janelle Cody's mom, like living out on
that ranch after Winn has passed, living with Cheryl, the
other sister wife, and I think there's a third sister wife,
(03:45):
Like I don't know the lore around that there might
be a third sister wife on the ranch. Yeah, but
just like these older women, Janelle's in her seventies. Yeah,
living in this house shack.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It looks like a shack.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's kind of like a shack.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, it's kind of a shack.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And I just felt really bad for her, Yeah, and
really sad for her because, as we will discuss, she's
lost not only her husband of fifty years, but her
son Curtis. Yeah, so sad from a motorcycle accident. And
it's just been a summer of tragedy. And there's Janelle
just up in Wyoming living in that shack. And I
just felt bad. I just I did. I felt bad.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I feel bad for her too.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And she's still alive.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think she's passed now.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I don't know if she has. I know Cheryl has.
I know that Janelle went to Cheryl's funeral during COVID,
that was the whole thing. I think Cody went too
as well. But she is still I wonder if Janelle
is still alive because in this episode passed she was
seventy one, and so I think this was filmed around
twenty fourteen. I think, so she'd be like eighty two,
(04:52):
eighty three. It's possible she's.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Still up in Wyoming by herself.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Tody's shack in a new McMansion in flat Staff with
his whole ass fourth wife.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, he don't give a crap about his mom.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, I kind of felt like he did in this episode.
We'll get to it. We'll get to it anyway. I'm
just saying I'm registering that I'm worried about you. Yeah, okay,
I feel you, all right. So, without any further ado,
let's get into our recap of Sister Wive season six,
episode seventeen and titled Tragedy in the Family. Yeah, last
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episode we had poor Truly with a cross eyes and
doubled over on the floor in the kitchen. We saw
the pictures of her in that hospital bed with her
swollen face. I felt so bad. I was looking forward
to some levity. Yep, no to some party people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We're not getting any.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
We are not getting that. No, we'll start us off.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, we start off the episode with this like dumb
segment about like everybody worrying it's forty six days away
until their commitment ceremony. That's gonna be such a big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I can't wait. I'm so excited counting down the dates.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
They still haven't finished their mission statement because.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Nobody cares at least of all the children, least of
all the children.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Nobody gives a shit. And then they haven't finished any
of the back backyard decorations, because this is gonna be
in their backyard of gravel in the cul de sac.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
A veritable moonscape. You're on the surface of the moon.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, and they haven't decorated or done anything. They meet
with some lady named Brie who's like the event planner
or whatever, and it's.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Your weird husband, I know, just in the background, just.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Like standing there.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, husband, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And she's like, yeah, I've totally done celebrations like this before,
Like it's gonna be totally fine, Like we'll we'll make
it work. But I'm like, I don't know if you're
gonna make it work. I don't know if you're gonna
do it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think they rustle up some sort of a commitment
ceremony they do. It's gonna happen, but I don't think
it's gonna be like posh, no and wonderful.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's gonna be booty, yes, because Cody wants a string
quartet playing buck bells can indeed, just like this is
so stupid. It's so like fancy, yeah, beautiful and elegant,
and I'm just like, well.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Now I have to ask you, like, what's your favorite
classical piece of music?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Box Cello sweet number one?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Do you pray with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And then second one is Moonlight Sonata?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh yeah, yes, okay, yeah, my favorite bit of classical
music is Vivaldi. The Four Seasons? Is that that great?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I can't take it to every season and I feel
every single beautiful. I love us a little mom.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's a great one.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, thank you, love Bach as well?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, back is great? Yeah, okay, yeah right, And I'm
not hating on Pokwell, I just think it's such a.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Basic fucking and it's very wedding codd, which you hear
the wives on the couch talking about, like, well, do
we really want to give the appearance of a wedding
or like nuptials or like we're marrying each other. That's
not what this is about. Yeah, we're really just here
to recommit ourselves to this falling apart, broke ass family
and all our kids who hate us. So is there
(07:59):
another song we might be able to play?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And Cody's like, no, it's my party. So we're gonna
play my favorite classical song.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Maybe break Shit my olymp biscuit would be better. I
don't know, that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That would have been lit. Yeah, but no, we're gonna
play PoCA Bell's con No. That was fine. And then
they want to plant a tree because you know, the
whole theme of this commitment ceremony is the trail life.
Because we have a family tree, and like we're all
like brunches and leaves and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And we just arrived at the Culd de Sac and
we're gonna put our roots down here because this is
where our home is. We're together finally. Yeah, in the
could sack homes right next to each other. We can
build here, we can be architects and manifest. Meanwhile, four
years later, Yeah, you're picking up all of your steaks,
(08:45):
all your kids, and you're moving to flag Staff. It's wild.
I mean, you've got a time capsule in the ground,
you got an oak tree, you got Robin's backyard that
was renovated for the purposes of the celebration. We'll go
to them.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, and Mary's web bar and Lea, you're just gonna
leave four years later, Well, because the interest is due
or the payments are due to the ball. Yeah, and
so they gotta leave. Yeah. I would be so fucking
bitter if I was these kids, because you know, looking
at this in these past seasons, I'm like, you really
do have it made. You have the cul de sac.
(09:18):
Everybody's got their houses that were presumably their dream houses,
and like everybody seems to be settling in, Like the
kids are all in school, like they're making friends, they're
adjusting to Vegas life, and then you just fucking leave
because of dating and going to fucking nau and fly.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Snaff yes and the balls. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
They're going to have to pay it, yeah, one way
or another.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And then we have some weird segment where we're meeting
with a contractor and I think.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Mark from Living Waters he's a Living Waters and care
landscaper guy.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is this for the commitment ceremony?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
He's for the commitment ceremony? He is there to install
like landscape features for the party in Robin's backyard, which
they continually refer to as our backyard. Okay, we're going
to be having to renovate our backyard. But I do
believe it's actually Robin that benefits from this renovation. And
so she's going to get all this installed landscaping, water
(10:18):
features and green features or whatever you call them. And
Mark's here to just check it out. But of course
he's got to learn that he's dealing with a bunch
of polygamists. I don't feel like he needed to know that,
but of course we've got to proclaim that and declare that.
And so then we have the obligatory scene with Mark
by his truck saying something like, well, yeah, I mean,
(10:41):
I didn't know they were polygamists. They seem like nice people,
but I'm a Christian, yeah, and and I don't know.
I'm sure, like when we all die, we're going to
get to heaven, but I'm just not sure about them
with that one sin of polygamy. And I was just like, Mark,
shut up. Stf you with their big ass mouths and
(11:01):
concerned always about somebody else's sin. Think about your stuff.
Look at the log in your own eyes.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Straight up.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
God, it couldn't stand Mark.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm so tired of that too, Like I'm so tired
of like love my neighbor, but like I'm judging your
sin though. Yeah, my gosh, shut up.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Just take care
of your own house. Thanks straight. I can't stand it.
I can't and I'm a Christian. Yeah, I'm talking about
my old people.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, it's so annoying. And I'm just like, I'm so
tired of interviewing random people in the city of Las Vegas,
right and saying, did you know that these people are polygamists?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
What do you think about polygamy? Polygamous? I've never met
a polygamist. They seem so normal. I really enjoyed their company. Okay,
every other episode, every single same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's the same script too, because you know, TLC is
telling them to say that. They tell say that they're nice,
wholesome people, because that's what we're trying to advertise. And
it's like, you know, they aren't like awful. I mean,
the og wives, they're not awful, you know, but like
they're just normal people.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Having a business interaction. And afterwards they all meet in
somebody's living room it's probably Robin's, and they're talking about
everything and they're not discussing religion. And then we have
the scene on the couch with the adults and they're
talking about, oh, I didn't really know that Mark even
commented about our polygamy because it never even came up
in the conversation. We're just doing business with other people
(12:30):
of integrity, and that's the way that it should be.
And then Robin says something like, I mean, I hadn't
known it at the time. I mean, if I had
known that he said something like that at the time,
and then here comes her job. But I had known
so hard it said something about us in polygamy. I
wouldn't have liked that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I wouldn't have liked that at all, not at all.
And then Cody says something stupid like he gets upset
because they've been hiding polygamy for so long?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What on National TV sixth season of Sister Wow, they're
still an hiding.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
They had to run away from Utah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We've for the law, other shows on TLC dealing with
Mormons and getting away from the like, everybody understands that
you're a polygamist.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But he wants to let it shine. This is his chance.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
That's why we're having this commitment ceremony, so we can
just come out and let everybody know we're prouled to
be polygamists. It's so yeah, I got that season one, honey,
we understand, we get it.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But then flash forward to season nineteen and now you're
I'm a monogamous. Yeah, I'm a promenade.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't believe in it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Are sorry if I led you with stray?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it's crazy to me. And then we take a
trip to Wyoming, and this is where we learn that
the family has experienced two tragedies in like the last
couple months. We had Curtis, Cody's brother, who died in
a tragic motorcycle accident, leaving behind his wife and kids.
And then we have wind Brown, Cody's papa, who died
(13:57):
of natural causes. I guess he had a stroke or something.
And the family is reeling from this double death. And
so they're going to travel to Wyoming to I think,
like go to the funerals.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It's not funerals. The funerals have already taken place. They're
literally filming content. That's kind of what's day about this
is that they've already had the funeral for Curtis and
when and they talk about the horses and what happened after, right, Yeah, Yeah,
they're making an extra trip up with cameras, which is
why Erica never showed up Erica Curtis's wife, because this
(14:31):
is just about producing and about cameras, but they're going
up to like film stuff, gross and having an additional
memorial of some sort.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
That's why I felt like this whole episode was off
because I'm just like, are you going for the funerals?
Like a couple months later, like okay, no, you're just
manufacturing content, got it? Yeah? Gross? Like even back in
twenty thirteen, Like you see this problem a lot nowadays,
like with TikTok and Instagram and stuff like where people
are manufacturing content, Like you have those family bloggers that
are like so sinister and everything. But like even back
(15:02):
in twenty thirteen, you have Cody motherfucking Brown being like,
you know what, my dad and my brother died. This
is great content for TLC. Let's kind offilm it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Which is why Eric is not participating based and I
wouldn't either, No, I wouldn't do it. And this is
the problem again with reality television. As soon as your
cast becomes aware yeah, of the cameras and is contributing
storylines and content ideas, then you've lost the plot. It's
not authentic, and it's no longer as entertaining. It's not
(15:31):
that I'm not entertained, Yeah I am, but it's just
not as entertaining.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's crazy to me that Cody even now and I'm
thinking about it, I'm like, Wow, like, your brother died
and you're just going up to Wyoming just to talk
about him.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Put bandana's on a fence post.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And talk about how much you miss him. And now
I'm wondering, like, were you even that close? Are you
that close?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
There's so many smoke and mirror things happening in this family,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We do hear some of like the lore between like
Cody and Curtis, because I guess Cody's family was LDS
and then when converted to polygamy because he wanted a
bang Cheryl, and this happened when Cody was on a
mission trip. And then I think Curtis was the one
that was like, nah, fam, I'm not living this life
(16:17):
at all. I'm gonna go and be a Christian.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And I think it's precipitated by his meeting of Erica.
Like he meets Erica, the family is introduced to Erica,
and then sometime after that Curtis becomes a born again
Christian and so they do like have different faiths yea,
And this causes some kind of a rift between Win
and Curtis. They don't really elaborate too much about that.
(16:40):
I don't know who judged too, but based on kind
of the way Cody talks about Curtis, it sounds like
it was when who maybe had a problem with Curtis
at the very least leaving Mormonism coming just a regular
regular Christian.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, who didn't believe in salamanders. Sorry, you didn't hear
me say. And then they go over to Janelle's house,
Cody's mom, Yes, And this is where she tells the
story of how she met when Yeah, I met in
high school or something at a high school dance. Yeah,
she was dancing with his friend and then she was like,
(17:17):
oh but I want that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well, but they were straight up men. Did you catch
that what? So it's a high school dance. Janelle went
to the same high school Win went to, but he
had already graduated. He became a full on man. He's
a rancher now would do But Janelle is, I don't
know how to say it, dame, and shes gonna say, Jane,
Janelle is still in high school, and I'm like, are
you a freshman though? Are you a sophoman? Like? What
(17:40):
grade are you in in high school? Well, they go
to some kind of a dance and then in walk
these two grown ass men. One's a rancher and one's
a farmer, and the farmer exactly yeah. So the farmer
is like, can I dance with you? Janelle? And she does?
And then Win, who's the friend of the farmer. So
when's a rancher a whole man though? Ole man goes
(18:01):
by Janaille's home, knocks on the door and says, hey,
I'm here on behalf of my friend. You know, would
you be amenable to being a farmer's wife? Would you
be okay living that kind of life? Because that's what
he does. He's interested in you. And that's when Janelle,
very cheeky, very forward, says, well, actually, I'm kind of
into you, dog. I'm kind of digging your vibe, the aura.
(18:22):
It's just so beautiful. And so then that's how she
gets with Win. And we see these pictures of Winn
as a young man, young rancher. I'm like, he's kind
of handsome, Yeah, totally definitely got the cowboy vibe. I
can see how the basement would flood for a man
like that, big old Win, those cowboy boots and a
big old hat.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's what your husband where he wears big old cowboy
boots and wrangler geek.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You know I like that?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, you do, like I do. Man, it was a
different time back then, right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
But you know Winn had a hard face. Oh yeah,
my husband, he's smiling all his life. Yeah, he's got
a good sense of humor. But like with Wynn, he
seems like a stern person. He seems like a hard
egged person, like a task master daddy.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And then we go over to Cheryl's house and go
visit Cheryl, and Cheryl's not having a good time.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
She's not doing well.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
She is not having a good time. But this is
where we have Janelle, Cody's wife, tell the story of
how Cheryl met Win. And I feel like we've heard
this a million times.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well let's go over it again for the new listeners.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, Janelle have been friends with Cody and Mary because
Janelle was married to Mary's brother.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And she was traditional LDS, whereas Cody and Mary were aub.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, and then Cody suggested going to Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And hanging out at wins ranch, which is odd, don't
you think a little bit. He's just like, well, I mean,
if you're really into the cowboy lifestyle, why don't you
go visit my dad who's a polygamist and stuff and
go spend some time with them.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, And then Janelle does yeah, and Cheryl came too
because Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was after a while though, because.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
She was concerned about Janelle falling into the cult.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Right, because brainwashing, there's abdoctions, there's like a lot of
mythology around the aub and so she travels to Win's
ranch to make sure her daughter's okay, and then she
falls in love with Win and they get married Hoddy
before Janelle and Cody do big belt buckle. That's right,
he's got a swagger to that. I'm geelling you.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They fell madly in love. And then four months later
Cody and Janelle get married, right, because I guess Janelle's
sense divorced or something.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I did think it was interesting if I can just
pause a bit, because we get to Cheryl's house, which
is another shock, quite frankly, and she does seem very depressed.
Oh yeah, Like there's just a blanket of grief over her,
and Cody says he asks her, like, how are you doing?
How are you holding up? And she's like, basically, I
(20:57):
cannot talk about it, which is so like Janelle recall
when she loses Garrison and she goes back to the
Carolinas and like her sister's trying to talk to her,
like she just can't get the words out. So she's
very similar to her mother in this way, which I
thought was interesting. And then later in this episode and
I'll just kind of get to it now we have
the conversation about why it is easier I guess for
(21:20):
Janelle Cody's mother to sort of process Wins passing because
she had fifty whole years with when, whereas with Cheryl
she met him when she was forty eight years old
and she only had twenty years. And I think like
she's the robin to Wins Cody in that relationship, like
when they cross paths and locked eyes, it was soulmate
(21:42):
karma stuff, yep. And he fell in love with Cheryl
and Cheryl fell in love with him, and so she's
mourning when I think in a different way than Janelle definitely.
I think it's sad.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I think this is where we have. Cody even echo that,
and he's like, I can understand where Cheryl's coming from
because my dad met her and fell in love and
this is the love of his life or whatever, and
didn't have enough time, so I can relate to Cheryl
that way. And I'm like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Why can you relate to Cheryl that way?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Do you think because you met Robin later in life
and you don't got enough time, and you're you're foreshadowing
it a little bit and you can see yourself and
her shoes, and like, hopefully you and Robin live a happy,
long life.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I guess for a long life.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I don't want to wish bad upon you, even though
it forever, but may you live forever and go bankrupt.
But like, you know, it was interesting to hear Cody
say something like that, like I can understand how Cheryl feels.
I'm like, ah, got it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yes, so he is at present considering Robin to be
his soulmates exactly. Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And then we have Cody and the kids, I think
writing poems and letters about win or to win, and
they're going to go to the cemetery and this is
where they are going to leave some of the letters
and stuff in his cowboy boots yeh, at the cemetery,
which is kind of sweet. And I thought this was
kind of interesting because of how Cody recounted like a
specific experience with his dad. Cody says that he never
(23:08):
really felt loved by his dad because his dad was
a very harsh, I guess, kind of cold rancher who
probably didn't say I love you very much, and like
wasn't very tender. And I think Cody talks about like
when he was a kid working on the ranch and
living on the ranch, like his dad made him work
and made all of the guys work and was not
(23:30):
kind about it, like not very like willing to give
him breaks or anything like that. And Cody was really
into athletics and stuff in his school years and everything,
and was it on his eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well before that, Like Cody talks about like having to
work the ranch, like that's not interested at all in
working the ranch. He kind of wants to do his wrestling.
He wants to be a part of the things that
he's interested in. And when it's just all business, like
it's a ranch and there's a lot of crap that
needs to be done, and I've got boys, and you're
going to do the work with me. And Cody says
that he complained for years about being cold. Yeah, they're
(24:08):
in Wyoming and he doesn't have enough layers, and he's
out here working with the horses and the cows and
all these things, and he just cold all the time.
So while simultaneously pursuing athletics, he's also working the ranch
and he's uncomfortable, and so yes, then we get to
I think it was his eighteenth birth.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Sting like that, right, and he wanted a letterman jacket
because he was so big in athletics, and so he
gets a gift from his dad and he thinks that
it's a letterman jacket, but it ends up being coveralls, right,
which apparently really upset Cody. And like, when you're eighteen,
you don't realize the significance of that, right, because you're
just like the fucking dog coveralls.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So I didn't keep working on the ranch. But like,
wasn't it weird though to you that he would put
it in the box of the place that sold the
letterman jacket a little almost as if he was goating Cody,
or like teasing Cody a little bit, or maybe the
same place sold the coveralls. I don't know, but it
just seemed like almost a cruel trick on behalf of whim.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Maybe. Yeah. And then when Cody is like writing this
letter to his dad and like reading at the cemetery,
He's like, I realized, now, after all these years, that like,
you gave me these coveralls because you were worried about
me being cold, and you were remembering when I was
a kid, right, and I was complaining about being cold,
and like to me, I can see the sentiment of that,
Like I can see like him realizing like, oh, maybe
(25:28):
my dad like wasn't always a piece of shit. Maybe
he did actually care about me. But like maybe you're right,
maybe it was like this weird little trick that he
was playing on him. Or maybe that's what we're getting
Cody's version of it, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Maybe I think Cody is trying to look back and
put on some rose collared glasses. Maybe a little bit.
I think that his father, in that moment giving him coveralls,
at the very least, was insensitive to what his son
actually really valued and wanted. Yeah, but I think a
lot of us do this when we lose people, especially
if we're losing people who we had problematic relationships with,
(26:02):
Like we want to be able to look back at
those relationships and not feel pain. We want to sort
of contextualize them in a way so that they're not
as hurtful. So it just felt to me like Cody
was trying to make it work with his dad, Like,
I get it, you just didn't want me to be cold.
You really did love me. But I'm just sitting here
as an innocent bystander wondering. I mean, I'm sure Wynn
(26:25):
loved him, I'm sure when all of his children, but
that doesn't necessarily make him a good dad, especially to
his boys. I don't know. I don't even know that.
I don't even know about the sisters. I don't even
know who his sisters are. Does he have sisters?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Not all boys. Yeah, never even heard of the sisters.
I wonder what their story would be like of their father. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I wish we could get more insight into that because
I wonder if it would explain some of Cody's like
terrible behavior. And I'm not saying that like Wynn was
like this awful person I don't fucking know anything about him.
I just know that he's like a hard rancher and everything.
But I guess like I could just kind of of
relate to the idea of like trying to find like
(27:05):
some goodness in your parent or like in these people
that have passed on because you are looking at the
situation a little bit differently and like maybe Cody is
trying to in this regard. But it was just interesting
to me, like seeing this from Cody because we know
him now to be somebody who's incapable of like reflection
(27:25):
or any kind of acknowledgment of any goodness that like
his og wives produced for the family. Like he can't
see any of that kind of stuff now, Like we're
looking back now and he's like trying to find the
goodness in his dad.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, but even in him trying to find the goodness
in his dad in this moment, it's about him.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It is.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's the light that comes respect to me. Oh he
really did love me though, right, he really did see
me and see what I needed, And yeah, he gave
it to me because he loved me.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's a good point. It's still like that narcissistic, Yes,
still narcissistic. Yes, and then we shift gears for some
fucking reason and we have them Mary and the family
so dumb. Going back to her former employers Tom and Jerry, No,
it's Tom and.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Terry talmentary at like a plaque shop. So Cody worked
at a sign shop and Mary worked at a packet shop.
I thought it was gonna be like working with disaffected youth.
Oh yeah, because I had heard about her doing that.
But I guess that was in Utah, I guess or something.
So but when they were in Wyoming, he worked at
the sign shop and she worked at the black shop,
and she was very secretive about being a polygamist because
(28:31):
they would have been judged in the community. Oh and
so she never did tell her employers Terry and Tom
that she was a polagymist. So now they're going back
to tell them twenty years later.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't understand. I don't understand. And they go and like,
Mary's all anxious and as usuable, But I'm like, this
is so dumb to be anxious about when you're on
a national television show on TLC.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like, but she's always anxious and uncomfortable when she has
to commute Kate of course express herself because this little way. Yeah,
I can't get into.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It because she can't be a grown up and like
just speak with her big girl words. But Tom and
Terry already found out, of course, because they watched the
show or something.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
They knew when she was working there. Yeah, it's like
because somebody called them and said, oh, by the way,
like Cody's got multiple wives, and they're like, are you
kidding me? You must have just heard that from Cody
and he was just show boding. He was just making
stuff up, because that's how Cody is. Did you catch
that part? That's just what Cody does. He talks a
big game. And so we just didn't know for sure.
(29:35):
But then we saw you one day with Christine, Yeah,
and she was pregnant, and we wondered a little bit
maybe it was true.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And spoiler, they don't care. They never cared back then.
They don't give a shit. Now they're like, yeah, we've
been knowing. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
We live in Wyoming. We see this all the time.
We know this exists in our zeitgeist.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We getting so dumb. And Mary's like, oh my ha
ha ha, Like I'm so glad, I'm so nervous, so done.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Cody actually makes tell them formally, yes, so why didn't
you tell them what you came here to tell them
after they already told you. We have been knowing this
for twenty years, So Cody, I mean, excuse me. Mary
then says, oh, well, by the way, I'm a polygamist.
Her hers, this is so dumb, so dumb, this is
so so cringe dumb, so bad. And then we hear
from Christine talking about how hard it was to like
(30:21):
hide the fact that she was a plural wife, and like,
I get it, but you get it also like a
window into Christine kind of breaking I think fundamentally from
this whole thing, like realizing kind of sucks to have
to hide my relationship, hide my marriage, like not be
able to have my husband around all the time because
(30:41):
he's with other wives or whatever. Like it's you're starting
to see Christine realize, like this kind of sucks, and
it's been sucking for quite some time since I've lived
in Wyoming, because she's like, I can't just walk down
the street in Cody or Level Wyoming with my husband
pregnant because people will ask questions, why is Cody with
(31:02):
this woman when he's married to Mary, and so Janelle
and Christine weren't able to be seen just them to
ever sad and that is that is actually sad, like
super sad.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
And also like watching this it made me realize and
have a little bit more compassion for how cringe Christine
has been now because now she's just excited to be
sure a monogamous wife. She's still cringe and just.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Have someone who only has eyes for her. Yes, that's
got to be wonderful after having to compete for your
husband's gaze with two other women and then only one
other woman, right, the new woman.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Exactly, so even though she's still cringe now I understand.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then we have the family going over to the
river to memorialize Curtis.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yes, so we have the big scene with when at
the cemetery which seems to be the same cemetery as Garrison.
It did look exactly the same cemetery, which is sweet
and wonderful that Garrison is laid to rest there. But
then yes, we do have a little bit of a
family memorial for Curtis at this place by the river
(32:06):
where Cody and Curtis used to spend quite a lot
of time it's also the spot where the family first
met Erica, yeah, and got to know Erica. And it
just made me wonder in this moment again, why Erica
is not there. It just felt intuitively, let me put
on my sake, my fake psychic hat. It felt intuitive
(32:29):
to me like she was saying, I don't want to
be there because you're just doing this for the cameras.
We've already had a funeral. I'm literally a widow. I've
just lost my young husband. I've got two little kids,
and you're bringing all these cameras up to the place
where I live so that you can what film a show?
Do you even give a crap about me? And the
(32:51):
answer is no, no, I don't think Cody actually gives
a crap about you. I think he's just making television.
And so she doesn't show up, Her kids aren't there.
It's just Janelle Mom, Cody and his kids and his wives,
and yep, I was like, oh, that's a pretty glaring omission.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It makes me wonder like how they were even allowed
to do this in the first place, because if you're
right about Erica like not wanting to be a part
of this because she doesn't want her husband's tragic death
being used to exploited, yes, to be for profit and everything,
Like I wonder if she tried to say like no,
(33:27):
Like I wonder, I wonder if she tried to call
the network or anything, or maybe she just didn't have
the bandwidth to even deal with all of that. She
was just like, fuck you, Cody, Like I guess, do
whatever you want, Like I'm going to be private with
my kids while we're literally mourning.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It just kind of had echoes of what happened with Garrison.
Oh this memorial service, and there was that rumor that
the family didn't want the cameras to be there, but
Cody brings the cameras anyway, and so then the cameras
have to stay like two hundred feet away or whatever,
and so we get these shots at the memorial from
a long distance away, And I was like, is Cody
(34:04):
the driver behind like needing to have these sentimental moments
like a commitment ceremony for example, and the upcoming time
capsule ceremony that they're going to have, Like is he
the driver behind creating these fake moments just to mine
this sentiment from the audience. And maybe Erica knows this
and Oh yeah, maybe that's why Eric is not there
(34:25):
right now.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Maybe. And I mean, if Cody is a communal type
of narcissist where he wants everybody to think like he's
such a good person and he's such a caring brother
and such a caring son, like he would totally do
all these things.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I'm sorry, but like, what's the difference between a
regular narcissist and a communal narcissist. I mean, aren't all
narcissists wanting the community to see them a certain way?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Not necessarily. The communal narcissists are one specifically where they
like try to do a lot of charity work, or
they try to do a lot of things that make
them appear to be good people or like no, I'm
so giving because I'm such a good person. It's like
that kind of it's still narcissism. It's still fueled by
like this stupid ego and everything, but it's like mainly
(35:07):
focused on the appearances of like, no, I'm a good person. No,
I have a happy family. Yeah, like Cody being so
focused on the big family and having all of his
wives get along and everything, like no, like I'm a
good plural husband, I've been good this whole entire time.
Y'all are just all wrong, Like it's that kind of
okay narcissism, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, but anyway, moving on from Curtis's sexual moral yeah,
we go on then to Cody going to meet with
his mom. Yes, just them, so there's no other family
around yet. And I actually thought this was a really
sweet scene because of the way that Cody took care
(35:49):
of his mom, like emotionally, like no, he was asking
questions like how are you mom? Yeah, and how have
you been doing? And we learn that Janelle is actually struggling.
She's been she's been going through Curtis's old poems and yeah,
like she's This is where she says she tells us
that she's actually really struggling with the passing of Curtis
(36:09):
much more than with when. Yeah, and Cody's just trying
to take care of his mom, and at some point
he's like, well, would you ever consider leaving this shuck
all right and like coming down to maybe spend longer
amounts of time in Las Vegas around all of your grandkids?
And she's like, honestly, no, Yeah, I'm okay here, I've
got seventy some odd grandkids, so not just your children,
(36:32):
Like I got a lot of grandkids and I'm busy,
but I'm just sad.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, and she says she's lonely too, Like she's busy,
but she's lonely. And that's like this part was hard
for me, just because Cody's like trying to get his
mom to like move closer to be with family and everything,
and she's resistant to it because you know, when you're
that old, like you don't really want that kind of
a change, like let me just be in my shack
and sure, on the rand, I'm used to what I'm
(36:56):
used to exactly. They don't want to move, like that
was how my poppy was like after my non I
were like, do you want to come live with my
mom or my uncle? And he's just like, nope, I'm
going to stay here my small town. And it's like, okay,
you can't really force them to do that. They just
want to be where they're comfortable and that's fair. Yep.
And then we have like a story I can't remember
(37:17):
who said this, if it was Cody or what, but
like when Winn died, he apparently looked surprised. Yeah, like
and Cody I think says like he maybe saw Curtis
or something like it was as if.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Like he was surprised by somebody in the room and
Cody thinks it was Curtis. And then Cody talks also
about the two funerals, Like first Curtis passes and then
the family gets back to the ranch and like all
of the horses are Cody says, acting crazy, but like
they're running around, they're super activated. Yeah, and Curtis was
(37:50):
really a horse person. He was a cowboy person. And
then when Win passed and they had his funeral, they
come back to the ranch and the horses are behaving
in much the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Kind of interesting. Yeah, that they were like all really
into the horses and everything, and the horses may be new.
It's really sad actually. And then we have the family
meeting up and they talk about like Cheryl and Janelle
Cody's mom, going to church.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, so after when passes, Cheryl and Janelle, Cody's mom,
make a pact that they're just going to make sure
that they manage and maintain their relationship. And so they
first go to church together. The next week, they go
to a matinee together. They watch a movie, like it
is a priority for them to make sure that they
(38:36):
nurture their relationship, which is an interesting sort of unspoken
comment on what's going on with Cody's wives, because of
course we have them in Sedona with the counselor like
talking about what is going to happen if I pass away?
Are you guys even going to be friends? Are you
guys going to still be considered a family together?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And so they're sort of reflecting in this watching Janelle
and Cheryl try to make this work and live together
on the ranch after Wind's gone, And I think the
subtext there is like, are we going to do that?
Would we even be able to go to church together?
Would we be able to go to a movie together?
Because as it stands in this moment, I don't think so.
(39:18):
I think if Cody dies first year in the cul
de Sac, the women are scattering like the wind.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh one hundred percent, because why would you be friends
with someone.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Like Robin or Mary or Mary? Yeah, like why, well
that's why.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Like even now you see it's just Christine and Janelle
ye trying to like stay close, and all of their
kids are pretty close, and Mary's doing her own thing
and going to Disneyland. I guess, hey, Robin's at home
with her American girl dolls. Yeah, yikes, and her men
and her man to you, I mean, not much of
a prize there, but like whatever, And then this is
where Cody again has to like make the connection of
(39:54):
like losing his brother and his dad and with truly
being sick, and like, this is why we need to
have the commitment ceremony. This is why we need to
commit to each other because we're a family and we
love each other. Blah blah blah. Again, like speaking to
your point of Cody just using all of this to
manufacture content and try to connect it to the stupid ass.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
So he's becoming a producer, yes, and as we know,
the producer that left last year Sister Wives, they were friends.
Like that producer lived next door or like in the
same subdivision as Cody. They were friends. And so Cody
is obviously talking to the producer in twenty fourteen or
whatever and trying to come up with storylines and content
(40:34):
that they can produce. So you can already see him
wearing this hat and I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Like it neither.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't think it's good. But there's Luckily, so many
other things going on in this family that it keeps
me interested.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, very definitely. And then we have the preview for
next episode, which hopefully will be lighter and funnier. We
can make fun of people. We have a dressmaker coming.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Old you like that. I'm wondering if this is where
I initially picked up with Sister Wives, like started to
watch it. Really this part I think in this season
because I remember watching that episode with the dressmaker so bad.
But then I think I walked away from it again
and it came back around the time of the Catfish.
But yeah, I remember this.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
This is coringe. I remember this episode two because the
dressmaker comes by and she's designing these.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Beautiful, dreadful you sure about that?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
All four of the ladies, and it's a complete fucking
shit show.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I can't care.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's going to be so good.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
They don't wear the dresses, though, I think at the
end of the day, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think like maybe one or two of them have
a dress that's like completed, and then like one or
I think Mary probably buys one.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
And Robin I'm sure probably would not be seen in
a bad dress.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Of course, and then we have the kids saying that
the commitment ceremony means more to the adults than it
means to them, like they don't give a shoe.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Well, because the adults understand that this is their job
and if they don't produce content, they're going to lose
it and their income.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yes, And then we have Janelle asking the question to
Cody about if they put this mission statement on canvas
and it's permanent, like, what is going to happen if
Cody decides to get another wife?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
My god, it's the Robins jog. It's really hard as
she's sitting in her armchair across the room just staring
at him. Oh another wife?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
What really, You're gonna get another one? Okay? And of
course Cody's gonna be like, no, I have no plans
because he never is going to because Robin's.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
It and he's in love. He's sprung, honey, he has
sprung sprung Diesel jeans model, that's right, break dancing. See. Well,
this was an interesting episode. It was a sad episode.
Curtis was so young, he was thirty four, tragic four
on a motorcycle. You know, my husband owned a motorcycle
(42:55):
when I met him myola. You know I dated impotent man, right.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
He had a motorcycle too.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's how he got his brain, That's how he got
his TPI. He was not wearing a helmet because he
was a dumb mess. Not wearing a helmet. He gets
into an accident and gets a TBI, changes his brain
chemistry forever, leading to our ultimate BREAKUPD. And so then
when I got with my now husband and he had
like a couple of bikes, I'm just like, you know what, fair,
(43:24):
I get it. I love that for you, but I
don't think I can date you. I've just got too
much trauma. And do you know he sold those bikes
within thirty days? Shut he sold those bikes within thirty days.
And I remember the first guy coming to get his
Kawasaki or whatever it was. He's like, so, why are
you selling your bike? And he's like, yeah, my girlfriend
doesn't want me to ride. And the man's like, I
(43:45):
would never do that for a woman, never, okay, And
my husband's like, all right, sorry, he gave it up
for me.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, because I was worried that something like that with
Curtis would happen.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That's actually really sweet.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It is week because he loved his motorcycle. I know, I.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Bet he was so cool on those motorcycles.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oooh my god. You know he's like six', three, yes
and he'd be wearing like His Power rangers, outfit like
when he's riding his Little. Kawasaki some about you gives
me going up six months, LATER i was, married still
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Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, I just think it's funny that Cody's like
I love classical music, and my favorite piece of classical music,
oh did Pocabo's Canon?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Indeed, just like probably the only piece you've ever heard though.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right right, I'm just laughing about it. I was a
band kid, so I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Leg I mean, it's a pretty song, but it's so basic. Yeah,
it's very basic, but the most basic. Cody's basic. Cody
is basic.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But he thinks he's so profound. That's what I'm saying.
Like classical music, I love Paco's Canale.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Very refined it is, it's dumb. My takeaway is that
I just I don't know, I was shape shifting into
the life of Janelle Cody's mom, like living out on
that ranch after Winn has passed, living with Cheryl, the
other sister wife, and I think there's a third sister wife,
(03:45):
Like I don't know the lore around that there might
be a third sister wife on the ranch. Yeah, but
just like these older women, Janelle's in her seventies. Yeah,
living in this house shack.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It looks like a shack.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's kind of like a shack.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, it's kind of a shack.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And I just felt really bad for her, Yeah, and
really sad for her because, as we will discuss, she's
lost not only her husband of fifty years, but her
son Curtis. Yeah, so sad from a motorcycle accident. And
it's just been a summer of tragedy. And there's Janelle
just up in Wyoming living in that shack. And I
just felt bad. I just I did. I felt bad.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I feel bad for her too.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And she's still alive.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think she's passed now.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I don't know if she has. I know Cheryl has.
I know that Janelle went to Cheryl's funeral during COVID,
that was the whole thing. I think Cody went too
as well. But she is still I wonder if Janelle
is still alive because in this episode passed she was
seventy one, and so I think this was filmed around
twenty fourteen. I think, so she'd be like eighty two,
(04:52):
eighty three. It's possible she's.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Still up in Wyoming by herself.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Tody's shack in a new McMansion in flat Staff with
his whole ass fourth wife.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, he don't give a crap about his mom.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, I kind of felt like he did in this episode.
We'll get to it. We'll get to it anyway. I'm
just saying I'm registering that I'm worried about you. Yeah, okay,
I feel you, all right. So, without any further ado,
let's get into our recap of Sister Wive season six,
episode seventeen and titled Tragedy in the Family. Yeah, last
(05:25):
episode we had poor Truly with a cross eyes and
doubled over on the floor in the kitchen. We saw
the pictures of her in that hospital bed with her
swollen face. I felt so bad. I was looking forward
to some levity. Yep, no to some party people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We're not getting any.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
We are not getting that. No, we'll start us off.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, we start off the episode with this like dumb
segment about like everybody worrying it's forty six days away
until their commitment ceremony. That's gonna be such a big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I can't wait. I'm so excited counting down the dates.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
They still haven't finished their mission statement because.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Nobody cares at least of all the children, least of
all the children.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Nobody gives a shit. And then they haven't finished any
of the back backyard decorations, because this is gonna be
in their backyard of gravel in the cul de sac.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
A veritable moonscape. You're on the surface of the moon.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, and they haven't decorated or done anything. They meet
with some lady named Brie who's like the event planner
or whatever, and it's.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Your weird husband, I know, just in the background, just.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Like standing there.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, husband, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And she's like, yeah, I've totally done celebrations like this before,
Like it's gonna be totally fine, Like we'll we'll make
it work. But I'm like, I don't know if you're
gonna make it work. I don't know if you're gonna
do it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think they rustle up some sort of a commitment
ceremony they do. It's gonna happen, but I don't think
it's gonna be like posh, no and wonderful.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's gonna be booty, yes, because Cody wants a string
quartet playing buck bells can indeed, just like this is
so stupid. It's so like fancy, yeah, beautiful and elegant,
and I'm just like, well.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Now I have to ask you, like, what's your favorite
classical piece of music?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Box Cello sweet number one?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Do you pray with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And then second one is Moonlight Sonata?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh yeah, yes, okay, yeah, my favorite bit of classical
music is Vivaldi. The Four Seasons? Is that that great?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I can't take it to every season and I feel
every single beautiful. I love us a little mom.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's a great one.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, thank you, love Bach as well?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, back is great? Yeah, okay, yeah right, And I'm
not hating on Pokwell, I just think it's such a.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Basic fucking and it's very wedding codd, which you hear
the wives on the couch talking about, like, well, do
we really want to give the appearance of a wedding
or like nuptials or like we're marrying each other. That's
not what this is about. Yeah, we're really just here
to recommit ourselves to this falling apart, broke ass family
and all our kids who hate us. So is there
(07:59):
another song we might be able to play?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And Cody's like, no, it's my party. So we're gonna
play my favorite classical song.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Maybe break Shit my olymp biscuit would be better. I
don't know, that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That would have been lit. Yeah, but no, we're gonna
play PoCA Bell's con No. That was fine. And then
they want to plant a tree because you know, the
whole theme of this commitment ceremony is the trail life.
Because we have a family tree, and like we're all
like brunches and leaves and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And we just arrived at the Culd de Sac and
we're gonna put our roots down here because this is
where our home is. We're together finally. Yeah, in the
could sack homes right next to each other. We can
build here, we can be architects and manifest. Meanwhile, four
years later, Yeah, you're picking up all of your steaks,
(08:45):
all your kids, and you're moving to flag Staff. It's wild.
I mean, you've got a time capsule in the ground,
you got an oak tree, you got Robin's backyard that
was renovated for the purposes of the celebration. We'll go
to them.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, and Mary's web bar and Lea, you're just gonna
leave four years later, Well, because the interest is due
or the payments are due to the ball. Yeah, and
so they gotta leave. Yeah. I would be so fucking
bitter if I was these kids, because you know, looking
at this in these past seasons, I'm like, you really
do have it made. You have the cul de sac.
(09:18):
Everybody's got their houses that were presumably their dream houses,
and like everybody seems to be settling in, Like the
kids are all in school, like they're making friends, they're
adjusting to Vegas life, and then you just fucking leave
because of dating and going to fucking nau and fly.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Snaff yes and the balls. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
They're going to have to pay it, yeah, one way
or another.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And then we have some weird segment where we're meeting
with a contractor and I think.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Mark from Living Waters he's a Living Waters and care
landscaper guy.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is this for the commitment ceremony?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
He's for the commitment ceremony? He is there to install
like landscape features for the party in Robin's backyard, which
they continually refer to as our backyard. Okay, we're going
to be having to renovate our backyard. But I do
believe it's actually Robin that benefits from this renovation. And
so she's going to get all this installed landscaping, water
(10:18):
features and green features or whatever you call them. And
Mark's here to just check it out. But of course
he's got to learn that he's dealing with a bunch
of polygamists. I don't feel like he needed to know that,
but of course we've got to proclaim that and declare that.
And so then we have the obligatory scene with Mark
by his truck saying something like, well, yeah, I mean,
(10:41):
I didn't know they were polygamists. They seem like nice people,
but I'm a Christian, yeah, and and I don't know.
I'm sure, like when we all die, we're going to
get to heaven, but I'm just not sure about them
with that one sin of polygamy. And I was just like, Mark,
shut up. Stf you with their big ass mouths and
(11:01):
concerned always about somebody else's sin. Think about your stuff.
Look at the log in your own eyes.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Straight up.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
God, it couldn't stand Mark.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm so tired of that too, Like I'm so tired
of like love my neighbor, but like I'm judging your
sin though. Yeah, my gosh, shut up.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Just take care
of your own house. Thanks straight. I can't stand it.
I can't and I'm a Christian. Yeah, I'm talking about
my old people.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, it's so annoying. And I'm just like, I'm so
tired of interviewing random people in the city of Las Vegas,
right and saying, did you know that these people are polygamists?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
What do you think about polygamy? Polygamous? I've never met
a polygamist. They seem so normal. I really enjoyed their company. Okay,
every other episode, every single same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's the same script too, because you know, TLC is
telling them to say that. They tell say that they're nice,
wholesome people, because that's what we're trying to advertise. And
it's like, you know, they aren't like awful. I mean,
the og wives, they're not awful, you know, but like
they're just normal people.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Having a business interaction. And afterwards they all meet in
somebody's living room it's probably Robin's, and they're talking about
everything and they're not discussing religion. And then we have
the scene on the couch with the adults and they're
talking about, oh, I didn't really know that Mark even
commented about our polygamy because it never even came up
in the conversation. We're just doing business with other people
(12:30):
of integrity, and that's the way that it should be.
And then Robin says something like, I mean, I hadn't
known it at the time. I mean, if I had
known that he said something like that at the time,
and then here comes her job. But I had known
so hard it said something about us in polygamy. I
wouldn't have liked that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I wouldn't have liked that at all, not at all.
And then Cody says something stupid like he gets upset
because they've been hiding polygamy for so long?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What on National TV sixth season of Sister Wow, they're
still an hiding.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
They had to run away from Utah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We've for the law, other shows on TLC dealing with
Mormons and getting away from the like, everybody understands that
you're a polygamist.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But he wants to let it shine. This is his chance.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
That's why we're having this commitment ceremony, so we can
just come out and let everybody know we're prouled to
be polygamists. It's so yeah, I got that season one, honey,
we understand, we get it.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But then flash forward to season nineteen and now you're
I'm a monogamous. Yeah, I'm a promenade.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't believe in it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Are sorry if I led you with stray?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it's crazy to me. And then we take a
trip to Wyoming, and this is where we learn that
the family has experienced two tragedies in like the last
couple months. We had Curtis, Cody's brother, who died in
a tragic motorcycle accident, leaving behind his wife and kids.
And then we have wind Brown, Cody's papa, who died
(13:57):
of natural causes. I guess he had a stroke or something.
And the family is reeling from this double death. And
so they're going to travel to Wyoming to I think,
like go to the funerals.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It's not funerals. The funerals have already taken place. They're
literally filming content. That's kind of what's day about this
is that they've already had the funeral for Curtis and
when and they talk about the horses and what happened after, right, Yeah, Yeah,
they're making an extra trip up with cameras, which is
why Erica never showed up Erica Curtis's wife, because this
(14:31):
is just about producing and about cameras, but they're going
up to like film stuff, gross and having an additional
memorial of some sort.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
That's why I felt like this whole episode was off
because I'm just like, are you going for the funerals?
Like a couple months later, like okay, no, you're just
manufacturing content, got it? Yeah? Gross? Like even back in
twenty thirteen, Like you see this problem a lot nowadays,
like with TikTok and Instagram and stuff like where people
are manufacturing content, Like you have those family bloggers that
are like so sinister and everything. But like even back
(15:02):
in twenty thirteen, you have Cody motherfucking Brown being like,
you know what, my dad and my brother died. This
is great content for TLC. Let's kind offilm it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Which is why Eric is not participating based and I
wouldn't either, No, I wouldn't do it. And this is
the problem again with reality television. As soon as your
cast becomes aware yeah, of the cameras and is contributing
storylines and content ideas, then you've lost the plot. It's
not authentic, and it's no longer as entertaining. It's not
(15:31):
that I'm not entertained, Yeah I am, but it's just
not as entertaining.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's crazy to me that Cody even now and I'm
thinking about it, I'm like, Wow, like, your brother died
and you're just going up to Wyoming just to talk
about him.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Put bandana's on a fence post.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And talk about how much you miss him. And now
I'm wondering, like, were you even that close? Are you
that close?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
There's so many smoke and mirror things happening in this family,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We do hear some of like the lore between like
Cody and Curtis, because I guess Cody's family was LDS
and then when converted to polygamy because he wanted a
bang Cheryl, and this happened when Cody was on a
mission trip. And then I think Curtis was the one
that was like, nah, fam, I'm not living this life
(16:17):
at all. I'm gonna go and be a Christian.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And I think it's precipitated by his meeting of Erica.
Like he meets Erica, the family is introduced to Erica,
and then sometime after that Curtis becomes a born again
Christian and so they do like have different faiths yea,
And this causes some kind of a rift between Win
and Curtis. They don't really elaborate too much about that.
(16:40):
I don't know who judged too, but based on kind
of the way Cody talks about Curtis, it sounds like
it was when who maybe had a problem with Curtis
at the very least leaving Mormonism coming just a regular
regular Christian.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, who didn't believe in salamanders. Sorry, you didn't hear
me say. And then they go over to Janelle's house,
Cody's mom, Yes, And this is where she tells the
story of how she met when Yeah, I met in
high school or something at a high school dance. Yeah,
she was dancing with his friend and then she was like,
(17:17):
oh but I want that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well, but they were straight up men. Did you catch
that what? So it's a high school dance. Janelle went
to the same high school Win went to, but he
had already graduated. He became a full on man. He's
a rancher now would do But Janelle is, I don't
know how to say it, dame, and shes gonna say, Jane,
Janelle is still in high school, and I'm like, are
you a freshman though? Are you a sophoman? Like? What
(17:40):
grade are you in in high school? Well, they go
to some kind of a dance and then in walk
these two grown ass men. One's a rancher and one's
a farmer, and the farmer exactly yeah. So the farmer
is like, can I dance with you? Janelle? And she does?
And then Win, who's the friend of the farmer. So
when's a rancher a whole man though? Ole man goes
(18:01):
by Janaille's home, knocks on the door and says, hey,
I'm here on behalf of my friend. You know, would
you be amenable to being a farmer's wife? Would you
be okay living that kind of life? Because that's what
he does. He's interested in you. And that's when Janelle,
very cheeky, very forward, says, well, actually, I'm kind of
into you, dog. I'm kind of digging your vibe, the aura.
(18:22):
It's just so beautiful. And so then that's how she
gets with Win. And we see these pictures of Winn
as a young man, young rancher. I'm like, he's kind
of handsome, Yeah, totally definitely got the cowboy vibe. I
can see how the basement would flood for a man
like that, big old Win, those cowboy boots and a
big old hat.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's what your husband where he wears big old cowboy
boots and wrangler geek.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You know I like that?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, you do, like I do. Man, it was a
different time back then, right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
But you know Winn had a hard face. Oh yeah,
my husband, he's smiling all his life. Yeah, he's got
a good sense of humor. But like with Wynn, he
seems like a stern person. He seems like a hard
egged person, like a task master daddy.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And then we go over to Cheryl's house and go
visit Cheryl, and Cheryl's not having a good time.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
She's not doing well.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
She is not having a good time. But this is
where we have Janelle, Cody's wife, tell the story of
how Cheryl met Win. And I feel like we've heard
this a million times.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well let's go over it again for the new listeners.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, Janelle have been friends with Cody and Mary because
Janelle was married to Mary's brother.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And she was traditional LDS, whereas Cody and Mary were aub.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, and then Cody suggested going to Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And hanging out at wins ranch, which is odd, don't
you think a little bit. He's just like, well, I mean,
if you're really into the cowboy lifestyle, why don't you
go visit my dad who's a polygamist and stuff and
go spend some time with them.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, And then Janelle does yeah, and Cheryl came too
because Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was after a while though, because.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
She was concerned about Janelle falling into the cult.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Right, because brainwashing, there's abdoctions, there's like a lot of
mythology around the aub and so she travels to Win's
ranch to make sure her daughter's okay, and then she
falls in love with Win and they get married Hoddy
before Janelle and Cody do big belt buckle. That's right,
he's got a swagger to that. I'm geelling you.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They fell madly in love. And then four months later
Cody and Janelle get married, right, because I guess Janelle's
sense divorced or something.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I did think it was interesting if I can just
pause a bit, because we get to Cheryl's house, which
is another shock, quite frankly, and she does seem very depressed.
Oh yeah, Like there's just a blanket of grief over her,
and Cody says he asks her, like, how are you doing?
How are you holding up? And she's like, basically, I
(20:57):
cannot talk about it, which is so like Janelle recall
when she loses Garrison and she goes back to the
Carolinas and like her sister's trying to talk to her,
like she just can't get the words out. So she's
very similar to her mother in this way, which I
thought was interesting. And then later in this episode and
I'll just kind of get to it now we have
the conversation about why it is easier I guess for
(21:20):
Janelle Cody's mother to sort of process Wins passing because
she had fifty whole years with when, whereas with Cheryl
she met him when she was forty eight years old
and she only had twenty years. And I think like
she's the robin to Wins Cody in that relationship, like
when they cross paths and locked eyes, it was soulmate
(21:42):
karma stuff, yep. And he fell in love with Cheryl
and Cheryl fell in love with him, and so she's
mourning when I think in a different way than Janelle definitely.
I think it's sad.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I think this is where we have. Cody even echo that,
and he's like, I can understand where Cheryl's coming from
because my dad met her and fell in love and
this is the love of his life or whatever, and
didn't have enough time, so I can relate to Cheryl
that way. And I'm like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Why can you relate to Cheryl that way?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Do you think because you met Robin later in life
and you don't got enough time, and you're you're foreshadowing
it a little bit and you can see yourself and
her shoes, and like, hopefully you and Robin live a happy,
long life.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I guess for a long life.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I don't want to wish bad upon you, even though
it forever, but may you live forever and go bankrupt.
But like, you know, it was interesting to hear Cody
say something like that, like I can understand how Cheryl feels.
I'm like, ah, got it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yes, so he is at present considering Robin to be
his soulmates exactly. Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And then we have Cody and the kids, I think
writing poems and letters about win or to win, and
they're going to go to the cemetery and this is
where they are going to leave some of the letters
and stuff in his cowboy boots yeh, at the cemetery,
which is kind of sweet. And I thought this was
kind of interesting because of how Cody recounted like a
specific experience with his dad. Cody says that he never
(23:08):
really felt loved by his dad because his dad was
a very harsh, I guess, kind of cold rancher who
probably didn't say I love you very much, and like
wasn't very tender. And I think Cody talks about like
when he was a kid working on the ranch and
living on the ranch, like his dad made him work
and made all of the guys work and was not
(23:30):
kind about it, like not very like willing to give
him breaks or anything like that. And Cody was really
into athletics and stuff in his school years and everything,
and was it on his eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well before that, Like Cody talks about like having to
work the ranch, like that's not interested at all in
working the ranch. He kind of wants to do his wrestling.
He wants to be a part of the things that
he's interested in. And when it's just all business, like
it's a ranch and there's a lot of crap that
needs to be done, and I've got boys, and you're
going to do the work with me. And Cody says
that he complained for years about being cold. Yeah, they're
(24:08):
in Wyoming and he doesn't have enough layers, and he's
out here working with the horses and the cows and
all these things, and he just cold all the time.
So while simultaneously pursuing athletics, he's also working the ranch
and he's uncomfortable, and so yes, then we get to
I think it was his eighteenth birth.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Sting like that, right, and he wanted a letterman jacket
because he was so big in athletics, and so he
gets a gift from his dad and he thinks that
it's a letterman jacket, but it ends up being coveralls, right,
which apparently really upset Cody. And like, when you're eighteen,
you don't realize the significance of that, right, because you're
just like the fucking dog coveralls.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So I didn't keep working on the ranch. But like,
wasn't it weird though to you that he would put
it in the box of the place that sold the
letterman jacket a little almost as if he was goating Cody,
or like teasing Cody a little bit, or maybe the
same place sold the coveralls. I don't know, but it
just seemed like almost a cruel trick on behalf of whim.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Maybe. Yeah. And then when Cody is like writing this
letter to his dad and like reading at the cemetery,
He's like, I realized, now, after all these years, that like,
you gave me these coveralls because you were worried about
me being cold, and you were remembering when I was
a kid, right, and I was complaining about being cold,
and like to me, I can see the sentiment of that,
Like I can see like him realizing like, oh, maybe
(25:28):
my dad like wasn't always a piece of shit. Maybe
he did actually care about me. But like maybe you're right,
maybe it was like this weird little trick that he
was playing on him. Or maybe that's what we're getting
Cody's version of it, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Maybe I think Cody is trying to look back and
put on some rose collared glasses. Maybe a little bit.
I think that his father, in that moment giving him coveralls,
at the very least, was insensitive to what his son
actually really valued and wanted. Yeah, but I think a
lot of us do this when we lose people, especially
if we're losing people who we had problematic relationships with,
(26:02):
Like we want to be able to look back at
those relationships and not feel pain. We want to sort
of contextualize them in a way so that they're not
as hurtful. So it just felt to me like Cody
was trying to make it work with his dad, Like,
I get it, you just didn't want me to be cold.
You really did love me. But I'm just sitting here
as an innocent bystander wondering. I mean, I'm sure Wynn
(26:25):
loved him, I'm sure when all of his children, but
that doesn't necessarily make him a good dad, especially to
his boys. I don't know. I don't even know that.
I don't even know about the sisters. I don't even
know who his sisters are. Does he have sisters?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Not all boys. Yeah, never even heard of the sisters.
I wonder what their story would be like of their father. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I wish we could get more insight into that because
I wonder if it would explain some of Cody's like
terrible behavior. And I'm not saying that like Wynn was
like this awful person I don't fucking know anything about him.
I just know that he's like a hard rancher and everything.
But I guess like I could just kind of of
relate to the idea of like trying to find like
(27:05):
some goodness in your parent or like in these people
that have passed on because you are looking at the
situation a little bit differently and like maybe Cody is
trying to in this regard. But it was just interesting
to me, like seeing this from Cody because we know
him now to be somebody who's incapable of like reflection
(27:25):
or any kind of acknowledgment of any goodness that like
his og wives produced for the family. Like he can't
see any of that kind of stuff now, Like we're
looking back now and he's like trying to find the
goodness in his dad.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, but even in him trying to find the goodness
in his dad in this moment, it's about him.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It is.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's the light that comes respect to me. Oh he
really did love me though, right, he really did see
me and see what I needed, And yeah, he gave
it to me because he loved me.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's a good point. It's still like that narcissistic, Yes,
still narcissistic. Yes, and then we shift gears for some
fucking reason and we have them Mary and the family
so dumb. Going back to her former employers Tom and Jerry, No,
it's Tom and.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Terry talmentary at like a plaque shop. So Cody worked
at a sign shop and Mary worked at a packet shop.
I thought it was gonna be like working with disaffected youth.
Oh yeah, because I had heard about her doing that.
But I guess that was in Utah, I guess or something.
So but when they were in Wyoming, he worked at
the sign shop and she worked at the black shop,
and she was very secretive about being a polygamist because
(28:31):
they would have been judged in the community. Oh and
so she never did tell her employers Terry and Tom
that she was a polagymist. So now they're going back
to tell them twenty years later.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't understand. I don't understand. And they go and like,
Mary's all anxious and as usuable, But I'm like, this
is so dumb to be anxious about when you're on
a national television show on TLC.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like, but she's always anxious and uncomfortable when she has
to commute Kate of course express herself because this little way. Yeah,
I can't get into.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It because she can't be a grown up and like
just speak with her big girl words. But Tom and
Terry already found out, of course, because they watched the
show or something.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
They knew when she was working there. Yeah, it's like
because somebody called them and said, oh, by the way,
like Cody's got multiple wives, and they're like, are you
kidding me? You must have just heard that from Cody
and he was just show boding. He was just making
stuff up, because that's how Cody is. Did you catch
that part? That's just what Cody does. He talks a
big game. And so we just didn't know for sure.
(29:35):
But then we saw you one day with Christine, Yeah,
and she was pregnant, and we wondered a little bit
maybe it was true.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And spoiler, they don't care. They never cared back then.
They don't give a shit. Now they're like, yeah, we've
been knowing. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
We live in Wyoming. We see this all the time.
We know this exists in our zeitgeist.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We getting so dumb. And Mary's like, oh my ha
ha ha, Like I'm so glad, I'm so nervous, so done.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Cody actually makes tell them formally, yes, so why didn't
you tell them what you came here to tell them
after they already told you. We have been knowing this
for twenty years, So Cody, I mean, excuse me. Mary
then says, oh, well, by the way, I'm a polygamist.
Her hers, this is so dumb, so dumb, this is
so so cringe dumb, so bad. And then we hear
from Christine talking about how hard it was to like
(30:21):
hide the fact that she was a plural wife, and like,
I get it, but you get it also like a
window into Christine kind of breaking I think fundamentally from
this whole thing, like realizing kind of sucks to have
to hide my relationship, hide my marriage, like not be
able to have my husband around all the time because
(30:41):
he's with other wives or whatever. Like it's you're starting
to see Christine realize, like this kind of sucks, and
it's been sucking for quite some time since I've lived
in Wyoming, because she's like, I can't just walk down
the street in Cody or Level Wyoming with my husband
pregnant because people will ask questions, why is Cody with
(31:02):
this woman when he's married to Mary, and so Janelle
and Christine weren't able to be seen just them to
ever sad and that is that is actually sad, like
super sad.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
And also like watching this it made me realize and
have a little bit more compassion for how cringe Christine
has been now because now she's just excited to be
sure a monogamous wife. She's still cringe and just.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Have someone who only has eyes for her. Yes, that's
got to be wonderful after having to compete for your
husband's gaze with two other women and then only one
other woman, right, the new woman.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Exactly, so even though she's still cringe now I understand.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then we have the family going over to the
river to memorialize Curtis.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yes, so we have the big scene with when at
the cemetery which seems to be the same cemetery as Garrison.
It did look exactly the same cemetery, which is sweet
and wonderful that Garrison is laid to rest there. But
then yes, we do have a little bit of a
family memorial for Curtis at this place by the river
(32:06):
where Cody and Curtis used to spend quite a lot
of time it's also the spot where the family first
met Erica, yeah, and got to know Erica. And it
just made me wonder in this moment again, why Erica
is not there. It just felt intuitively, let me put
on my sake, my fake psychic hat. It felt intuitive
(32:29):
to me like she was saying, I don't want to
be there because you're just doing this for the cameras.
We've already had a funeral. I'm literally a widow. I've
just lost my young husband. I've got two little kids,
and you're bringing all these cameras up to the place
where I live so that you can what film a show?
Do you even give a crap about me? And the
(32:51):
answer is no, no, I don't think Cody actually gives
a crap about you. I think he's just making television.
And so she doesn't show up, Her kids aren't there.
It's just Janelle Mom, Cody and his kids and his wives,
and yep, I was like, oh, that's a pretty glaring omission.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It makes me wonder like how they were even allowed
to do this in the first place, because if you're
right about Erica like not wanting to be a part
of this because she doesn't want her husband's tragic death
being used to exploited, yes, to be for profit and everything,
Like I wonder if she tried to say like no,
(33:27):
Like I wonder, I wonder if she tried to call
the network or anything, or maybe she just didn't have
the bandwidth to even deal with all of that. She
was just like, fuck you, Cody, Like I guess, do
whatever you want, Like I'm going to be private with
my kids while we're literally mourning.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It just kind of had echoes of what happened with Garrison.
Oh this memorial service, and there was that rumor that
the family didn't want the cameras to be there, but
Cody brings the cameras anyway, and so then the cameras
have to stay like two hundred feet away or whatever,
and so we get these shots at the memorial from
a long distance away, And I was like, is Cody
(34:04):
the driver behind like needing to have these sentimental moments
like a commitment ceremony for example, and the upcoming time
capsule ceremony that they're going to have, Like is he
the driver behind creating these fake moments just to mine
this sentiment from the audience. And maybe Erica knows this
and Oh yeah, maybe that's why Eric is not there
(34:25):
right now.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Maybe. And I mean, if Cody is a communal type
of narcissist where he wants everybody to think like he's
such a good person and he's such a caring brother
and such a caring son, like he would totally do
all these things.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I'm sorry, but like, what's the difference between a
regular narcissist and a communal narcissist. I mean, aren't all
narcissists wanting the community to see them a certain way?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Not necessarily. The communal narcissists are one specifically where they
like try to do a lot of charity work, or
they try to do a lot of things that make
them appear to be good people or like no, I'm
so giving because I'm such a good person. It's like
that kind of it's still narcissism. It's still fueled by
like this stupid ego and everything, but it's like mainly
(35:07):
focused on the appearances of like, no, I'm a good person. No,
I have a happy family. Yeah, like Cody being so
focused on the big family and having all of his
wives get along and everything, like no, like I'm a
good plural husband, I've been good this whole entire time.
Y'all are just all wrong, Like it's that kind of
okay narcissism, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, but anyway, moving on from Curtis's sexual moral yeah,
we go on then to Cody going to meet with
his mom. Yes, just them, so there's no other family
around yet. And I actually thought this was a really
sweet scene because of the way that Cody took care
(35:49):
of his mom, like emotionally, like no, he was asking
questions like how are you mom? Yeah, and how have
you been doing? And we learn that Janelle is actually struggling.
She's been she's been going through Curtis's old poems and yeah,
like she's This is where she says she tells us
that she's actually really struggling with the passing of Curtis
(36:09):
much more than with when. Yeah, and Cody's just trying
to take care of his mom, and at some point
he's like, well, would you ever consider leaving this shuck
all right and like coming down to maybe spend longer
amounts of time in Las Vegas around all of your grandkids?
And she's like, honestly, no, Yeah, I'm okay here, I've
got seventy some odd grandkids, so not just your children,
(36:32):
Like I got a lot of grandkids and I'm busy,
but I'm just sad.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, and she says she's lonely too, Like she's busy,
but she's lonely. And that's like this part was hard
for me, just because Cody's like trying to get his
mom to like move closer to be with family and everything,
and she's resistant to it because you know, when you're
that old, like you don't really want that kind of
a change, like let me just be in my shack
and sure, on the rand, I'm used to what I'm
(36:56):
used to exactly. They don't want to move, like that
was how my poppy was like after my non I
were like, do you want to come live with my
mom or my uncle? And he's just like, nope, I'm
going to stay here my small town. And it's like, okay,
you can't really force them to do that. They just
want to be where they're comfortable and that's fair. Yep.
And then we have like a story I can't remember
(37:17):
who said this, if it was Cody or what, but
like when Winn died, he apparently looked surprised. Yeah, like
and Cody I think says like he maybe saw Curtis
or something like it was as if.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Like he was surprised by somebody in the room and
Cody thinks it was Curtis. And then Cody talks also
about the two funerals, Like first Curtis passes and then
the family gets back to the ranch and like all
of the horses are Cody says, acting crazy, but like
they're running around, they're super activated. Yeah, and Curtis was
(37:50):
really a horse person. He was a cowboy person. And
then when Win passed and they had his funeral, they
come back to the ranch and the horses are behaving
in much the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Kind of interesting. Yeah, that they were like all really
into the horses and everything, and the horses may be new.
It's really sad actually. And then we have the family
meeting up and they talk about like Cheryl and Janelle
Cody's mom, going to church.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, so after when passes, Cheryl and Janelle, Cody's mom,
make a pact that they're just going to make sure
that they manage and maintain their relationship. And so they
first go to church together. The next week, they go
to a matinee together. They watch a movie, like it
is a priority for them to make sure that they
(38:36):
nurture their relationship, which is an interesting sort of unspoken
comment on what's going on with Cody's wives, because of
course we have them in Sedona with the counselor like
talking about what is going to happen if I pass away?
Are you guys even going to be friends? Are you
guys going to still be considered a family together?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And so they're sort of reflecting in this watching Janelle
and Cheryl try to make this work and live together
on the ranch after Wind's gone, And I think the
subtext there is like, are we going to do that?
Would we even be able to go to church together?
Would we be able to go to a movie together?
Because as it stands in this moment, I don't think so.
(39:18):
I think if Cody dies first year in the cul
de Sac, the women are scattering like the wind.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh one hundred percent, because why would you be friends
with someone.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Like Robin or Mary or Mary? Yeah, like why, well
that's why.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Like even now you see it's just Christine and Janelle
ye trying to like stay close, and all of their
kids are pretty close, and Mary's doing her own thing
and going to Disneyland. I guess, hey, Robin's at home
with her American girl dolls. Yeah, yikes, and her men
and her man to you, I mean, not much of
a prize there, but like whatever, And then this is
where Cody again has to like make the connection of
(39:54):
like losing his brother and his dad and with truly
being sick, and like, this is why we need to
have the commitment ceremony. This is why we need to
commit to each other because we're a family and we
love each other. Blah blah blah. Again, like speaking to
your point of Cody just using all of this to
manufacture content and try to connect it to the stupid ass.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
So he's becoming a producer, yes, and as we know,
the producer that left last year Sister Wives, they were friends.
Like that producer lived next door or like in the
same subdivision as Cody. They were friends. And so Cody
is obviously talking to the producer in twenty fourteen or
whatever and trying to come up with storylines and content
(40:34):
that they can produce. So you can already see him
wearing this hat and I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Like it neither.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't think it's good. But there's Luckily, so many
other things going on in this family that it keeps
me interested.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, very definitely. And then we have the preview for
next episode, which hopefully will be lighter and funnier. We
can make fun of people. We have a dressmaker coming.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Old you like that. I'm wondering if this is where
I initially picked up with Sister Wives, like started to
watch it. Really this part I think in this season
because I remember watching that episode with the dressmaker so bad.
But then I think I walked away from it again
and it came back around the time of the Catfish.
But yeah, I remember this.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
This is coringe. I remember this episode two because the
dressmaker comes by and she's designing these.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Beautiful, dreadful you sure about that?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
All four of the ladies, and it's a complete fucking
shit show.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I can't care.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's going to be so good.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
They don't wear the dresses, though, I think at the
end of the day, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think like maybe one or two of them have
a dress that's like completed, and then like one or
I think Mary probably buys one.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
And Robin I'm sure probably would not be seen in
a bad dress.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Of course, and then we have the kids saying that
the commitment ceremony means more to the adults than it
means to them, like they don't give a shoe.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Well, because the adults understand that this is their job
and if they don't produce content, they're going to lose
it and their income.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yes, And then we have Janelle asking the question to
Cody about if they put this mission statement on canvas
and it's permanent, like, what is going to happen if
Cody decides to get another wife?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
My god, it's the Robins jog. It's really hard as
she's sitting in her armchair across the room just staring
at him. Oh another wife?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
What really, You're gonna get another one? Okay? And of
course Cody's gonna be like, no, I have no plans
because he never is going to because Robin's.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
It and he's in love. He's sprung, honey, he has
sprung sprung Diesel jeans model, that's right, break dancing. See. Well,
this was an interesting episode. It was a sad episode.
Curtis was so young, he was thirty four, tragic four
on a motorcycle. You know, my husband owned a motorcycle
(42:55):
when I met him myola. You know I dated impotent man, right.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
He had a motorcycle too.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's how he got his brain, That's how he got
his TPI. He was not wearing a helmet because he
was a dumb mess. Not wearing a helmet. He gets
into an accident and gets a TBI, changes his brain
chemistry forever, leading to our ultimate BREAKUPD. And so then
when I got with my now husband and he had
like a couple of bikes, I'm just like, you know what, fair,
(43:24):
I get it. I love that for you, but I
don't think I can date you. I've just got too
much trauma. And do you know he sold those bikes
within thirty days? Shut he sold those bikes within thirty days.
And I remember the first guy coming to get his
Kawasaki or whatever it was. He's like, so, why are
you selling your bike? And he's like, yeah, my girlfriend
doesn't want me to ride. And the man's like, I
(43:45):
would never do that for a woman, never, okay, And
my husband's like, all right, sorry, he gave it up
for me.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, because I was worried that something like that with
Curtis would happen.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That's actually really sweet.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It is week because he loved his motorcycle. I know, I.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Bet he was so cool on those motorcycles.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oooh my god. You know he's like six', three, yes
and he'd be wearing like His Power rangers, outfit like
when he's riding his Little. Kawasaki some about you gives
me going up six months, LATER i was, married still
married to this. Day, yeah, Well, beatrice is there anything
else that we should say to these beautiful raccoons before
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