267: Veronica Has Gone Full Mask Off - Welcome to Plathville - The Secret (S7 E5)

Tensions build in the Plath Family as Hurricane Veronica seeks to destroy everything in her path. Is it just us, or is she coming off completely unhinged?! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Crime. I am one
of your posts, Delia, and I'm here with my real
tight homegirl and my daughter in law. The Beautiful be
a drug.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
That's mean.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
We are here to talk. Welcome to Plaithville. Is hot, hot, hot.
This crazy stuff going on over there in kro bea
trud love it and I want to get into it.
But before we do, I got to issue you a disclaimer. Please,
how'd your wife and hydro kids? This is a politically

(00:42):
incorrect podcast, which simply means that we're stupid. Objectively, we're dumb. Yeah,
we're hot, so hot, and we're not going to apologize
about it. No, So with your sensity cool, you might
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(01:04):
ready to be in the first row to witness some
unhinged Veronica behavior, well then welcome to this dumpster.

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Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, there's a lot going on lots of content and
if you're looking for a good time, we're your girls now.
If you are watching on YouTube, first and foremost, please
don't forget to like and comment and share and subscribe
as we continue to climb the mountain to six thousand subscribers.
And also I kind of just want to start by

(01:47):
taking your temperature YouTube in the comments, okay, because I
want to just take a poll to see who's team Veronica.
Oh my god, and whose team anybody but Veronica. So
that could be Mica, that could be Berry, that could
be us. But like, if you are team Veronica, like
you get it, you understand what she's talking about, you

(02:10):
you you understand why she's angry, then just drop a
hashtag team Veronica in the comments.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, I would love to know.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
But if you are anti Veronica, if he thinks that
this shit is bananas b A n A n as,
then what you want to do is just hashtag anti Veronica,
anti Veronica. I just want to know, or no hashtag.
I just want to know what y'all are thinking, because
is it just me or is this chick wilding out?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
She is in is Shane losing her mind? She is
losing her mind, like YouTube, you gotta just let me
know what you're thinking. Are your team Veronica or your
team anti Veronica? I gotta know.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I hope those of you that were riding so hard
for Veronica at the beginning are feeling you're.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Such an I told you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm not gonna tell it's my virgo rising. I told
you so bit.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, like ooh god, such a bad look for Veronica.
So before we get into the episode, and do you
want to get like your major takeaway from this most
recent episode of Welcome to Plats, pil Beatrice.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I'm just tired of these women coming in and telling
these plaths that they are unintelligent and emotionally immature and stupid.
Like I get it, like Ethan, for example, total emotional immature,
caveman potato potato, he is so underdeveloped, needs to be
cooked up a little bit more because he's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
But like, I don't know where all these people come
from that are like you know, big City just want
to tell these kids like you're all dumb, you were
raised poorly, Like I just don't like it, Like we
can hate the Plaths, but we don't need to be
so mean and condescending to them just because of how
they grew up. Yeah, I just don't appreciate Veronica telling
Mica that. Yeah, and so my takeaway is very similar.

(03:59):
I think like all talking about Veronica, but like my
takeaway is that I think we've tipped over from Veronica
has got some issues. Veronica was maybe bullied as a child,
and she doesn't really know how to communicate that. We've
tipped over from that into Oh, Veronica's abusive.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, Veronica is verbally, actively verbally abusing Micah and also Amber,
if you ask me, definitely. And in addition to that,
Veronica has no aptitude for self reflection because she knows
how she talked to these people, She knows what she
did last year in twenty twenty four and how she
showed her ass, and yet she had the audacity to

(04:41):
spend I don't know how many weeks or months on
a campaign against all of them, calling out Micah, divulging
information she shouldn't have, again showing her ass like she doesn't.
She doesn't have the ability to see her behavior in
any given moment, which is scary, it's frightening, so toxic
to me. Like the way she was just hulked over

(05:04):
across from Micah, who was like literally shrinking away and
trying to reason with this nightmare of a person. I
was just like, I feared for him. I'm like, what
else is happening in that household? Abuse doesn't just happen
to women. Abuse happens to men too, And I'm just like, Veronica,
you're scaring.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Me and.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I hate you. That's it. I hate you. I never
liked you, No, I always have my eye on you
from the beginning, but now I'm just like, I hate you,
like you're an evil, awful person to hurt somebody like that,
Like do you get off on that? What's wrong with you?
And I'll stop right there. That was my takeaway. I mean, based,
I get it. Okay. Well, then, without further ado, let's

(05:49):
get into the latest episode of Welcome to platfull season seven,
episode five, entitled The Secret.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
The Secret, which I think is about Veronica Colin Olivia.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I would think, I guess or else it's it's not
Micah cheating because that was last week. Yeah, we already
talked about that. I don't know, so I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But we start off wrapping up what happened last episode
where Micah and Ethan were grilling Zach after the proposal,
and we left off last week with Ethan asking Zach
if he was gay, and now we have his answer,
why are you gay? What are you gay? I caught

(06:31):
it so fuck it's funny, literally, like that's what Ethan
is saying, and Zach just says, I think, very kindly
and respectfully, no, I'm straight as an arrow. And Ethan's like,
are you bullshitting me? Though, because you're different from every
other man I've ever seen in my life, which I'm
just like, Ethan, you're such a.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Fucking loser, You're so stupid.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
But Zach says, no, I'm not bullshitting you, Like, I'm
definitely definitely straight.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, And everything I'm doing I'm actually doing to honor Lydia. Sure,
and this is something that we talked about, and this
is something that we prayed about, and this is our decision.
And it's because I love your sister that we're not
being intimate in any way and you can feel however
you want to feel about that'd be a Drea. Sure, Yeah,
but I mean I do think ultimately it's very respectful,
and I thought Zach was extremely mature in his responses

(07:25):
to both Micah and to Ethan, because Micah starts to
do like a little damage control dance where he's like, well,
there's nothing wrong with being gay, so like, if you're gay,
that's okay, but just don't be gay and marry my sister.
And it was all just so entirely cringe worthy. And
I really felt for Zach. And I won't belabor it
because we already talked about it last week, but I

(07:47):
felt like Zach conducted himself very well. He did much
better than I would have done in that situation, yeah,
for sure, because I would have been throwing hands with
those young men. For sure. He did very well well.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And I did think it was interesting that Micah said
there's nothing wrong with gay people, and Ethan did echo
that sentiment. He's like, there's nothing wrong with being gay,
I just don't want you to marry my sister if
you're gay, which was kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Do you believe him, I mean kinda, I don't, but
like he thinks there's something wrong with being gay, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's hard for me to get a gauge on it, because,
like I know, homophobic people have encountered homophobic people in
my life as a homosexical, But I don't know. It
just was interesting that he even said that, because if
he had a problem with gay people, I feel like
he would have just been out and proud about that.
But I don't know who knows. I'm speculating, but I
did appreciate Zach's response. I thought he was very respectful,

(08:40):
and then I appreciated his talking head where he's like,
you know, I can understand why they're asking this because
they're being protective of their sister. And he's like, I
know that I have a little bit more of a
feminine error to me because I grew up with sisters. Like,
I'm not like a stranger to this kind.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Of That was an interesting comment, didn't you think? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
And he's like, I'm not a stranger to this kind
of questioning, but like, I know who I am. I'm
proud of who I am, and I'm like, you know what, cool,
And I'm sorry for judging you too as a fellow gay,
Like I'll just admit that.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Well, I just think we need more men who can
acknowledge their feminine side or not be embarrassed about it.
I'll just say like, yeah, I was raised by and
with women, and I'm proud of that, and this is
who I am.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yep. Valid, Yeah totally. So that's kind of how we
wrap up that conversation, and Ethan does admit that he
was kind of coming off a little harsh. He's growing him.
He still doesn't really like him.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
And he tells him that he does, which is rude.
You haven't earned my trust or you haven't earned my
liking you yet. I don't care. That doesn't mean anything
to the average person, Ethan, You're not the barometer of
morality or good people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think my problem with that is him acting like
he is this authority of like I know who's a
good person in a like we're all at fault for something.
Like we're all like imperfect people, is what I'm trying
to say. Like you're not this like really cool guy.
You kind of turned into a bitter, alcoholic, like a
weird biggot guy, Like you're not perfect. So I thought

(10:13):
that was a little annoying. But we ended that conversation
with Ethan telling him you have to earn my respect,
and Zach's like, Okay, that's cool. I hope we have
like some opportunity for that in the future. Oh.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I wish my sister in law would have told me
I have to earn her respect. I'd been like, Okay, well,
I'm going to make it my life mission that you
earn my disrespect. Like, who do you think you are
telling me that I have to earn any of your
respects Ethan, like, just shut shut up.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know you're not Lydia's dad either. It's like so
weird for like an older brother to be acting like this,
Like I could see a father acting like this to
be protective of.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
His well maybe in the absence of Barry doing anything
like this, like the due diligence of a father to
make sure that the person entering the home or into
the family is like of good quality or it is
gonna be good for LYDDI Like, Barry just seems so
excited and gleeful that Lydia found somebody and is going
to have babies. Yeah, so maybe Ethan sees that, Micah

(11:07):
sees that, and they're like, Okay, let me step into
that void yep and fulfill that role. But he's just
not doing a good job of that.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well because they're immature young twenty somethings that shouldn't be
the parent role in this. They should just be the
goofy older brother that's maybe giving him a little shit,
but it's trying to be happy for their sister, you know,
instead of they're coming off very harsh, very mean. But
then Micah does invite Zach down to Boca. He's like,

(11:36):
you know, you can come down with me and Veronica
because I want to see you actually work hard, And
the subtext of that is I want to see you
act like a man.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
That's what I think is right.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, because they want him to prove his masculinity, which
is kind of annoying.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
And it's very annoying. It's not necessary inappropriate, and it's like,
who are you, Micah asking somebody to prove their masculinity.
That's kind of rich. Might go when you went to
La to be a model and you talked about your
own fluidity, and it's right, been on the internet and
people have been talking about your sexuality inappropriately, including us.

(12:12):
We like, you're no stranger to how that must feel,
but yet you have no problem doing it to Zach.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, and so blatantly. And it's like what Kim said,
I think it was last episode where she's like, you know,
what if this is the kind of man that Lydia wants,
Like maybe she wants a man that's a little bit softer,
has a little bit more of a feminine side to it,
but like in a healthy way, and wants to coach
tennis and own.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
A coffee shop.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like maybe that's what Lydia wants And there's nothing wrong
with that. And I think that's where we kind of
have to leave it there, and then we bop on
over to Lydia and her bang and bod Yeah, feeding
the horses.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I can't get over it. It's like and I know,
like I'm in my fifties and I've had my season
of life where I was, you know, trapesing about with
my body yaddiy audi. But like I just am like, girl, Lydia,
do you do you even know? Like when I was
that age, rocking what I was rocking, I had no
idea first of all, was married to like everybody. Yeah,
Like I had no idea what I was working with

(13:09):
until now at this LGE late stage, I can look
back and go, oh my gosh, I was God, I
was foxy, you know, like Lydia, do you even know,
my god, how gorgeous you are. But like Lydia isn't
the sum of her body and like how pretty she is,
Like she's much more than that. But irrespective, I'm just like,
I just know those genes. I'm sure you did do lesbian.
I'm sure you noticed it. You love a blonde too,

(13:30):
I do.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm just I'm looking at her like damn. But she's
been horses. And this is her response to the whole conversation,
because after Zach left with Ethan and Micah, he immediately
told Lydia what happened, and Lydia says that she's not
mad at her brothers for asking Zach if he was gay.
She's just disappointed. And she does make a very interesting

(13:52):
comment towards Ethan where she says, Ethan waited to have
sex until after marriage, and I didn't think he was
gay for that, So I don't understand why he thought
Zach was gay for this, And I'm like, well, it's
not just the sex, it was him restricting any physical intimacy.
But at the same time, Lydia does say that it's

(14:13):
weird how we're in this day and age where a
man wanting to save himself for marriage and wanting to
respect my purity is seen as weird and gay when
I see it as a very beautiful, respectful, like divine
thing that we share together because he respects me so
much that he doesn't want to take advantage of me.

(14:34):
And I do think that that's the root of all
of it. I do think Zach does cherish her. Maybe
Zach looked at her and was like, man, this dying
piece is into a dork like me, Like I'm going
to cherish her to the day I.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Die immediately, immediately.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I mean I think they. I think Lydia went
on Instagram recently and talked about the whole proposal, and
I guess like after it, he washed her feet, which
is something biblical. I don't know the significance of it.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And Jesus wash the disciples feet and he also allowed
was it Mary or Mary Magdalene to wash his feet
and she was crying with oil Like it's a very
putting yourself at the feet of somebody, meaning I'm honoring you,
like to serve and yes, to serve you, and you're
in a place of importance where I am serving you. Yeah,

(15:25):
And it's a very biblical thing to do.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, So she talked about the whole proposal and how
it was so amazing. She did not talk about Ethan
and Micah and Veronica's behavior at the proposal. She did
say on Instagram she doesn't want to talk about it
because that would be gossip and she wants to have
a conversation with them first before she says anything. Okay,
so she only talks about like all the beauty and

(15:47):
the goodness of the proposal and not their trash ass, immature,
stupid behavior.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right, and so sidebar a little bit. And I'm going
to try and articulate this because I'm not really sure
what I'm thinking. But there's a part of me that
is wondering what Lydia's motivation here is, because I know
she's sold out and radical for Jesus, Like, I get it. Yeah,
i know you've picked somebody who shares those same values.
But it's interesting to me that you were going to

(16:14):
move to Colorado, but now you both are going to
move to South Georgia, which is where the cameras are.
That was interesting, which is where the show is taking
place for the most part. And I'm just kind of wondering, like, Okay,
but you don't want to talk about the things in
the show, but it seems like maybe you really want
to be a part of the show because you're going

(16:35):
to relocate your man, So like, please don't play both
sides of this in the long run is kind of
what I'm getting at, Like, don't just profess to be
this Christian who's not going to gossip, but then be
on a show like this where your brothers are literally
violent toward one another and you've got this crazy toxic behavior,
and then you're not going to be upfront and truthful
about it. I know.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
She posted a four part video series on Instagram talking
about the whole proposal, and it was literally just all
of the good things about it, and she's smiling and
being very happy.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I couldn't watch.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I was bored, and it was very boring because it
was just her talking about comment.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
After comment after comment. Well, but what did you think
about your brothers? What did you think about Ethan? What
did you think about the comment? And no response?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, And then people are theorizing because she said I
don't want to talk about my brothers without talking to
them first, and people were like, sorry, you not talking
to them?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So have you not addressed this behavior because I'm assuming
that you know that Isaac almost killed Micah at your wedding,
Like have you not had conversations? What's going on? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Like just be real. And if the Ploths start being
like the Sister Wives where they start giving us bullshit
on the TV, I'm not watching it.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, So I'm not getting that from the rest of
the Plaths. Even Amber, who's only fifteen years old, seems
to want to tell the truth. She's so bad and
out people who are toxic. It might just be about
Lydia and her Christianity and kind of wanting to stay
in what I might frame as toxic positivity, like everything's
great and everything's blessed by Jesus, and so she just

(18:05):
doesn't really know how to live in those shadowy aspects
right unfortunately, because has always going to come back to
bite you as girl.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Definitely, yeah, definitely. And then switching gears, we go down
to Boca where we have Ethan and Amber visiting Veronica
and Micah. And this is where shit starts getting.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Weirds and weird because.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
We start off with just Amber and Veronica because like
Ethan and Micah are out doing some project or whatever
at their other house. And it's already kind of awkward
with Veronica and Amber because Veronica starts talking mad shit
like immediately about the family, about Barry, about Mariah, about

(18:50):
how they all hate her, and she feels unwelcomed and
that's just like what happened to Olivia. And Amber's like,
can you like chill out a little bit? Like why
are you talking so much trash about my family? Like
I think you kind of over exaggerate things a bit.
I feel like you get stuck in your head and
you're making things bigger than it needs to be. And

(19:10):
this starts to piss Veronica off. And then Ethan and
Micah arrive back from their project or whatever, and Veronica's
making these like comments passive aggressive towards Amber. Yeah, because
everybody's gaslighting me now about what your family has done
to me and how they were unwelcomed to me at

(19:31):
the proposal.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I was trying to go back to last week,
and I didn't really get any of that from any
of the family members. I thought that Veronica was hanging
out with Ethan and Micah, she was instigating a lot
of the drama. She was hanging out with Teagan and
she was talking to people, it didn't seem like anybody
was actively rejecting her, Like I think what happened was

(19:56):
Mariah came and neither of them, Veronica nor Mariah said
high to each other. But Veronica is just as guilty
as Mariah. And also when Barry came, I don't think
he had any space for Veronica and her bullshit, And
so there was no conversation between Barry and Veronica, which
I guess in her troubled mind, in my opinion, equals

(20:18):
that they were unwelcomed to her and treated her like crap.
And this is kind of what I think Micah's trying
to get to and also Ethan when they're talking about
like how it just keeps getting bigger, like each comfense
just begets to other offenses like offense hydra and it's
like a never ending victimization story for Veronica, Like is

(20:41):
there ever going to be a resolution to any of this,
Like are you ever going to be able to have
a conversation, for example, with Mariah where you're going to
be able to get past this? And it honestly feels
like she on purpose intentionally will never get past it,
just so that she can make Mariah feel as bad
as possible, and everybody else feels bad as well.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, because it's all about her. I'm like, what do
you mean you felt unwelcome at Lydia's proposal. It's not
about you. No one is there to say hi to you.
They are there for Lydia to witness her engagement, and
that's it. It's just like what Amber had said at
the proposal about how Veronica changes into this little Forever

(21:24):
twenty one sequin dress, and she wanted everybody to look
at her and be like, oh my god, why you're
so beautiful, and it's like, no, it's not about you.
It was never.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
About you, and that equals they treat me badly.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm unwelcome, right, and so I to hate me.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I've got a trump into the forest and contact their
arch nemesis Olivia serious and talk crap about the family.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's just crazy. And then you're like talking shit to
Amber who doesn't want to hear it, and she's trying
to tell you.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
And she's fifteen, Beatrice based, she's fifteen years old. Yeah,
so for a fifteen year old girl, she's extremely intuitive, insightful.
She sees exactly what Veronica is doing. She tries to
in the moment combat what Veronica is saying, like, but
she doesn't have the skills because she's fifteen fifteen, Like Veronica,

(22:13):
in what world do you think it's okay for you
to just emotionally, toxically dump all over this fifteen year
old girl. She's not your therapist, she's not your best friend,
she's a child, you.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Weirdo seriously, and then you want to say that she's
gaslighting you, and that everyone in the family is gaslighting you.
And then you want to act like this in front
of Micah's siblings, like while they're coming here just to
visit and you already are to help you.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, to help you with your second home because you've
got some sort of construction things that you need done.
So they're here to actually put in some physical labor
on your behalf. And this is what you're doing. This
is what we're doing. So can we just sidebar and
can you tell me Beatrice what you think her agenda
here is, Like is she just mentally unwell in your opinion,

(22:58):
like she just can't help her She's just an unhinged
parrot who just says all of the awful things that
bounce around in her big head. Or is she acting?
Is she trying to secure like the villain role on
a show, Like what do you think is happening?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I don't think she's acting. I think all of it
comes from a genuine place, which is she is upset
that Micah has cheated on her so prolifically. I think
she is so hurt and so insecure because again, like
I had said, I think last week or the week before,
this beautiful man who's probably out of her league. I'm
just gonna say that, I mean probably Like it looks

(23:34):
wise like this beautiful man cheated on you so many
times and that broke you. But instead of dealing with
the root of that, you, as the emotionally unintelligent person
in the room, you want to claim everyone else is
emotionally unintelligent and immature. You're the one that's reacting from
vitriol and anger because you're actually angry at Micah for

(23:57):
cheating on you, which is fair and valid, But you're
not gonna articulate that. You're gonna shit all over Mariah,
who is just a troubled girl herself and obviously is
very lost, and she apologized to you in a letter
because she doesn't. She's like actually afraid of you and
afraid of confrontation, and you still are gonna shit all

(24:18):
over that and say that it wasn't a good enough apology.
And isn't Mariah like older than her or like maybe
around her same age?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I was thinking she was younger, but if she's not younger,
then they're the same age. I don't think she's much older,
if at all.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
She must be like a year or two younger than her,
if anything. But it's like you want to shit all
over her. You want to shit all over Barry. You
want to shit all over Kim, which is fine because
Kim sucks, but like you want to shit all over
these people. Micah is trying to work shit with it,
work out shit with you, but you are mad at
him and that's the root. And like if you were
able to actually articulate that and be like, you know what,

(24:54):
you fundamentally broke me as a person because you cheated
on me so much because I loved you and I
wanted you to come move in with me, and I
found out that you were sleeping with all of these
other people, Like I'm so hurt and offended, like you
could have worked on that in your relationship, but no,
you want to come for everybody else, and then you
want to frame it like you're so emotionally mature and

(25:17):
you're just like Olivia.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
No, you're just like Olivia.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I was just alisted by the family, just like Olivia.
So therefore all of my feelings are true and valid.
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yes, I think that that has merit your theory. And
I've also read on Reddit that apparently around the time
of the cheating and or around the time of the
filming that we're watching in these scenes, that Veronica had
a miscarriage with Micah. Have you seen that?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I've heard I think she said that in comments, but
I don't know if we've seen it on TV yet.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Right, And no, we haven't seen it on television. But like,
if we really want to go the extra mile and
try to give her some grace, so like if in
this moment her hormones are crazy because she's suffered that
kind of a loss, which is tragic and sharble. In
addition to having found out that Micah had cheated Wow previously, yeah,
I had been months before that she found out about Micah,

(26:19):
Like I can see how you would be emotionally dysregulated. Sure,
but that doesn't give you the excuse to be abusive
to anybody or to condescend to somebody, and to make
somebody feel stupid and dumb and low and less than you.
Only super insecure people need to make other people feel

(26:42):
as low as them. Yeah, because they don't know how
to figure out for themselves how to make themselves feel better. So,
like I mean, Veronica, if you're not in therapy, honey,
you need to be in therapy, like you need to
be in immersive, intensive therapy for the way that you
are conducting yourself. And furthermore, take some personal responsibility. The

(27:02):
fact that Micah cheated on you is dogshit and you
shouldn't have to put up with that. And I dare
say you should have dumped him, left him, sent him
back home to Cairo. However, you made the conscious choice
as an adult woman to stay with Micah and to
work it out. And so if that is your intention
to stay with Micah and work it out, then that

(27:23):
should be the spirit in which you conduct yourself with him,
not this punitive looking for every single opportunity to not
just put him down but his entire family, which is
probably the only other thing that he has in his life. Like,
you've made it your mission to damage all of that
so that you can hurt him for the thing that
he did to you that you chose to forgive. Exactly.

(27:45):
If you can't forgive this man, if you can't move
on in a healthy way, then you owe it not
to him but to yourself to walk away, because you're
becoming an abusive asshole exactly, and there's no excuse for it.
There's no way that you can paint it. There's no
amount of shit that Micah has done to you that
excuses the shit that you're currently doing to him. And

(28:06):
you're still acting out on social media because apparently, like
when people are calling Veronica out on her Instagram in
her comments telling her about herself, like she will go
to their profile, she will take pictures of them, and
then she will post their pictures and make fun of them.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I've seen that, Yep, I've seen that on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And you want to lecture people about emotional intelligence, give
me a absolute nightmare of a person. We all see
right through you. And that's got to be the scariest
thing for you because you were trying to erect this
illusion of who you were. You were trying to sell
that to everybody on social media before the season began,
because you were so afraid that we were going to

(28:46):
see exactly who it is that you are. I'm sorry
it didn't work. We see you for who you are,
and it's really troubling. And I'm an old enough person
that I'm just not going to toss you out and
say like you're a piece of trash and you deserve
no forgi No. I think you're a broken person. I
think you're super problematic, honey. I think you need help,
and I hope you have a family, Like where are they?

(29:08):
Who are they? At least we got to meet some
of Olivia's family, but like, who's your family? Why aren't
they being featured? Do you have any friends? I don't
see anybody in your life rather than the people in
this show. Yep, And I worry about that for you.
But at the same time, if you're not gonna help yourself,
then get fucked.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Veronica, straight up, Like you can't have it both ways,
Like you can't have this, Like I'm gonna forgive Micah,
but then I'm gonna also shit all over him in
his entire family every chance that I get and call
him a spineless worm and get antagonistic with him and
argue with him on national television, Like you can't have
it both ways. You either deal with it, and you say,

(29:46):
you know what, Mike, I can't get over the fact
that you cheated on me. It really fucking hurts me.
It breaks me to my core. I know you want
to work on it with me, but like, I can't
be with you because you cheated on me and I
feel less than a person. We're gonna break up. No,
you want to be with him and then shit all
over him because that makes you feel big.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
And it's also not doing what you're hoping that it's
going to do. Like this man who cheated on you
and who did you legitimately dirty, is going to get
sympathy from the audience because now you're abusing him exactly,
and so it's like it's just going to turn people
against you, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Because your behavior is so shitty, it's actually unhinged.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's abhorrent, honey, it's crazy gross.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
And then we shift gears before we get to the
actual conversation with Micah and Veronica, and we go back
to the Plath family home, where we have Mariah, her rando,
weird friend Sydney or something something I don't know, forgettable character,
and then we have Barry and they're like in the
kitchen playing chubby Bunny, and I'm like, why are we
watching this?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I think that the producers are attempting to show us
a different version of Barry, which he ultimately ends up
elaborating on because you want somebody with humor, etc. But
like a different version of Barry and where his headspace
is in relation to his kids, Like he just wants
to be there for his children. He wants to have fun,
he wants to be accessible, he wants to be supportive.

(31:07):
Now do we agree with everything that Berry's doing? Not
necessarily no, But I mean I thought this was awfully wholesome. Yeah,
and I know a lot of people hate Berry and
I get it, but I was like, this is sweet actually,
And I think also it's what Mariah needs in this moment. Yes,
she's about to leave to go to Montana. She needs
her dad to just love her and support her and

(31:28):
send her off in a good way. I thought when
they went to the bar after this scene, I thought
it was kind of fun. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, yeah,
and everybody else. And if you're on YouTube dropping the comments,
let me know, did you feel a vibe a little
bit between Barry and Sidney a little bit with anybody?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
It was really fucking.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Weird picking up on that. Well, they just seem to
have like a great rapport. Sydney was very funny. Obviously,
she's very young, straight out of my smut novels with
the stage gap and the daddy kink and all that job.
But I'm just saying like I was just feeling a
little something, and I was like, Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, kind of felt like like Mariah is so oblivious
because all these kids are pretty naive to things like this,
and Barry's also drinking his hardsider like he's also just
as oblivious. Be boop up, you know. But I feel
like Sidney was kind of flirting.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
A little bit, was she was?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
It?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Just me?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I mean, look, your daughter and I were watching this,
and she kept going on and on and on about
how jacked and good looking Berry was looking. She's like,
my god, he's so easy on the eyes. And I'm like,
are we watching the same person? She's like, no, like
he's gotten so like handsome, he's jacked, Like I like
his beard. She just kept going on on and on

(32:40):
about him. But I don't know, maybe Sidney was like
kind of crushing on Barry.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Maybe Barry was kind of feeling Sydney a little bit
because well, she's the exact opposite of Kim. She is funny,
she's having well, no, Kim does like to drink, doesn't she. Yeah,
like she's fit, She's like all of these things that
Kim is not. And I don't know, I was just
like in my mind, I was just like kind of
fantasizing about it a little bit. It's kind of cute.

(33:08):
I don't know, it's kind of cute. Broh, Sorry, Age Gap, No,
you all right? Well, Sidney looks older than Mariah, Like
she looks might be in her thirties.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
She could still be his child though.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's okay, But like if he's in his fifties. I mean,
it's not unheard of, is all I'm saying. Okay, you
can read it too much, smut. I know I have
been I do love an age Gap, But I.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Did love when we were talking about dating a little
bit at the bar, like when they were sending Mariah
off to Montana. I loved how Barry made a point
of saying, I'm not really interested in dating right now,
but in the future I would be looking for a
woman with a great sense of humor and who is
physically active. I was dying when I was watching that,

(33:51):
because we all know what that means.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Anybody but Kim, anybody who's thin and thick can move, well,
she's a power. She's a ballerina. I saw her kick
up her leg on that bar, like she can move
her body. So I'm sorry. Part of me I apologize,
but like somebody who has the same interest wants to
get in the gym via gym Bunny and what not. Sure,

(34:15):
but I did. I did receive that subtle shade from Berry.
And also when they were in the kitchen eating all
those marshmallows, how Maria was talking about how all the
kids were raised to not have any sugar, Like it
just creates this opening where we have to ask the
question though, like so if you couldn't eat sugar, and
clearly you're all very thin and fit and all these

(34:37):
things like what happened with Gim. She was drinking a
lot because she was eating, she was eating. It was alcohol, sugar.
It was eminem sugar, but she was eating the sugar.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
She definitely yeah sugar. And I mean, I think I
think I said this last week, where I kept it
to myself. I don't know, but I think that's why
she was wearing those miniskirts. I think that's why she
wears many skirts because she sees Barry and she's like,
I feel like somewhere deep down within her, she's like, man,
I fucked up. Oh yes, and like, look, I will
say this to the day I die. I know it's Barry.

(35:12):
I know it's beat boopop Barry. I can't imagine he
is like great in bed. I can't imagine good at
the kind of lingus. Maybe he is.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sometimes those are the guys that are great at kunny lad.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Maybe I don't know. I get that, like somebody wouldn't
want to be married to him. But just judging by
their divorce glow ups, Barry is looking great, Kim is
looking busted.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Wow, we're all thinking it. Yeah, And I don't think
those short skirts are going to be calling him back
into your orbit, Kim.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
And it's kind of hard to escape that.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Wow. No comment.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
We were do at the beginning yeah, politically good is
all right. But then we go back to Boca and
this is where we have Micah and Veronica's really toxic
ass fight, and I don't even really remember how it starts.
I think it starts with like Micah saying he really
wants to fix this, and I think the way that
he's sitting in his body language is very earnest, Like

(36:21):
I don't think he's coming off aggressively. No, remember, Mikey,
Micah is a pisces. Like I do think that he
feels very deeply. I do think that he loves Veronica
very much, and I think he wants this to work.
I don't know, I don't know, but he really is
coming into this conversation in earnest, and Veronica immediately is like, no,

(36:43):
you don't want to fight this, fight for this. You
want to fight me, And He's like, no, I fucking don't,
like I care about you. I want to figure out
a way where I can have a relationship with my
family and still have a relationship with you. I want
to work on this with you, but like, you're not
really willing to want to see my family as completely
evil and I'm trying to tell you that their intentions

(37:04):
are not as nefarious as you are making them out
to be. And Veronica's like, no, you're just gaslighting me,
and she's just just so fucking aggressive.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, there's nothing that he can say that will penetrate
her wall. And what the agenda that I think she's
trying to run, because in this moment, I think that
she's very aware of the cameras and I think she's
trying to embarrass him on camera. And I really just
wished in that moment that Michael would have just said, Okay,

(37:33):
I'm just gonna walk away. You don't seem interested in
this conversation. You honestly don't seem interested in having a
relationship with me where there's a meeting of the mind.
So I'm just gonna get up and go hang out
with my family and just leave you here, you poisonous,
toxic snake. But he didn't, And again, I just want
to draw attention to his body language, the fact that

(37:56):
he looks like he's losing weight, the fact that he
just energy is kind of just shrinking in on itself.
It feels to me like he's had these types of
conversations quite a lot. And later in this episode, when
he's talking to Amber and Ethan and Veronica is not there.
She's like, you know, it's great when it's just me
and Veronica, but as soon as any of my family

(38:18):
come around, this is what I have to deal with.
And he doesn't know what to do. And I thought
it was ironic that she's accusing him of being this
emotional dunce, this stupid person who doesn't know how to
navigate relationships, while she's actively being verbally abusive to him,

(38:39):
and he is being so self disciplined because I would
have beat her ass. Oh how to beat her fucking
ass in that moment hood it's straight. I'd be like, okay,
oh so we're fighting, okay, and I hopped up, took
my earrings off, and we'd be doing that thing, okay.
But he didn't. He restrained himself. He was very careful
with his words. Really, he did not insult in kind
like he was so emotionally intelligent. He was and so

(39:02):
and she was not. She was absolutely the opposite of that.
And I'm just like Veronica, and I.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Feel like Mica this entire time has been really trying
to see her side and all of it. And he
even says something to that effect, like he's like, I
always take her side. I really am trying to advocate
for her, but it's getting harder and harder to do
that every day because her issues become more and more complex,
and they become more and more insane and irrational because

(39:31):
they are because it's just coming from like just this
place of unresolved anger. And Veronica even says something like
this has been brewing and brewing for months, and the
proposal was just the straw that broke the canvas back.
But I'm just like, again, the proposal was not about you.
It was not a family intervention. Nobody's supposed to go
over there and like talk to you at Lydia's proposal

(39:54):
and hash out issues like this is a day for Lydia.
It's not a day for you and your pitch ass.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Uh. Just it's not frustrated narcissism happening. I don't know
if there's an intersection, and I'm straight up being an
armchair diagnostician, but like, is there an intersection between like
BPD and NPD? Like, is there a world where you
know she regards every event as needing to be about

(40:20):
her and having light shed upon her? But at the
same time, cannot control herself and needs to also abuse
people in that moment. I don't know. I'm not saying
she's these things. I'm just saying there's something so very,
in my opinion, so very mentally wrong with her that
she couldn't see herself in this moment, because I've been
in arguments with my husband and I've seen myself and
felt myself losing my mind. Oh yeah, like being an

(40:43):
absolute fucking asshole.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I remember I early on in our relationship, I was
popping off about some shit and I was totally unregulated,
and he just did in the doorway and he laughed
at me. He's like, do you hear yourself? I'm just
wondering if you can hear the things that you're actually
saying right now. But like, having the ability to be
able to be aware of yourself and the things that
you're saying in a moment is a skill that we
develop as we age. But like I notice, Micah has

(41:09):
the skill. Yeah, And it's kind of interesting that he
lacked a lot in his life, but he had a
lot in his life too that equipped him to be
able to deal with her in this moment. And then
it made me ask the question, well, of Veronica, what
didn't you have in your life that gives you this
perceived permission for you to abuse somebody, like the way
that you're abusing them.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Right, It's really crazy, Like just watching her talk to
him and then she comes out with I've been talking
to Olivia for months and she says this in a
way like she's got him. Yeah, And it's like we
as the viewers, are like, you're stupid, because she's like,
I've been talking to Olivia for months. I know everything,
I know everything that's happened in the family, and so

(41:50):
therefore I'm completely right in my feelings because she, in
this moment and still to this day, thinks that she
is on the same level as Olivia, uh huh. And
she thinks that she has been wronged just like Olivia,
that she has been unwelcomed.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Just like Olivia.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And like, look, you guys can listen to our older
podcasts where we rip Olivia to shreds and we analyze
her behavior in all of the prior seasons and everything,
and you give her a lot of grace. I'm very
hard on her, but like we analyze all of that, Veronica,
you're not in the same.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Boat, Veronica, you are no Olivia like at least Olivia,
as we discussed last week, was in process trying to
figure herself out. She was in the process of deconstructing
finding herself and there was a lot that went into that.
And also in many instances she handled herself with grace,
not always believing she was able to like she I

(42:44):
just think she conducted herself with so much more maturity.
And I don't believe Veronica when she says that she's
been talking to Olivia for months. I think Veronica has
probably talked to her twice. Yeah, the first time when
she called her when she was in her home and
we saw. The second time was at the engagement. I
don't think they're talking to each other every week and
key keying like girlfriends, because I don't think Olivia would

(43:07):
hang out with somebody like Veronica. I think Olivia's moving
on yet. I think Olivia's got her life, she's got
her business, she's got her aspirations. She doesn't have time
for a vindictive person, small minded person like Veronica.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
And like I've said before in prior recaps, I think
with Olivia, it comes from a genuine place of trauma
like her family I think was very abusive, and I
think she was traumatized by her family, and I think
that she views the Plaths in the same light that
she views her own family, because they all came from
fundamentalist religions and therefore she had a lot of hatred

(43:41):
and a lot of anger towards the Plaths that maybe
some of it was warranted, but maybe some of it
came from her own family and her own shit and
her own deconstructing. But like you said, she got out
of it. She's traveling and going to Croatia and bathing
in beautiful, clear Mediterranean waters and not giving a fuck.
I mean, she posts a little bit here and there

(44:03):
of like spilling the tea about the Plats because she's
still she has to deconstruct from that exactly, and that's
exactly what it is. Veronica is just unhinged and crazy
and so Mike, in her opinion, you think you're dropping
a bomb on Micah. You think that you've got them
in the corner, like I know everything.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
It's just another way for her to hurt Micah. Yes,
because she knows that that's going to explode like a
bomb with Ethan and Barry and the rest of the family,
and she just wants to hurt people, and why do
you want to hurt people so much? Hurt people, hurt people.
And so I really wonder what the story is of Veronica,
Like if we could learn with some vulnerability on her part,

(44:44):
like what she has been through, that would cause her to.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Act this way, right because I maybe we would have
a little bit more compassion, But right now, no, you
a crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Ass f bit you Veronica.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
And she says something like at the end of it,
you know, I think I'm gonna leave and I'm gonna
go to the other house that we have and I'm
just gonna like find myself.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And I'm just like, okay, bye, yeah, Sea. I wish
you would God, get out of here, pack up all
in the air in the room. God, just straight up.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And then we get to the end of the episode
where we have the plaths, like we have Ethan, Amber
and Micah like helping building a fence.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
In they're also beautiful, Oh my god, Amber is so beautiful,
Like in the shots of her speaking with Veronica when
they pan to Amber, like in a ray of sunlight,
I'm just like, I know you are an angel. You
are beatific. You are so beautiful, and you know what,
She's confident, she's secure in her she's cool, she's very cool.

(45:45):
She's the coolest. Definitely, maybe Isaac is on par in
terms of coolness, but like Amber is the cool one
and she's very just so beautiful and she loves her family,
and I want to preserve that for her, even though
the plot have their problems. I want to preserve like
a happy family for Amber to the littles, And like

(46:06):
I've had a therapist tell me before, every single family
has their problems. Every single family has some level of
like dysfunction and is not perfect. But that's what family is,
and it's about like learning how to deal with everybody.
And I think Amber was saying something in her talking
head about Veronica, about how she doesn't understand what it's
like to be in such a large family, Like not

(46:28):
everybody talks to each other every single day. Everybody has
different levels of relationships with each other because you have
such a large family. And like with the Plath specifically,
Amber says, as a fifteen year old, she's awake, dude.
She's like, our family is a bunch of thinkers, not feelers,
Like we don't. We're not always expressive, but that doesn't

(46:49):
mean that we hate you or that like we're angry,
Like we're just.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Be Boo bops. We come from be Boo Bob Barry,
who's not very emotionally expressive, be three po yes as
one hundred percent, and then Kim fucking Plath, who's a
whole nutcase herself. You know, they're not perfect, but they're
not these like evil people that Veronica's trying to paint
them as. And so, while the Plaths are building the
fence for Veronica's bitch ass who's just in her house

(47:16):
with her dogs, stewing and getting mad, apparently, Micah starts
talking to Ethan about how Veronica, ever since their fight,
has been chewing him out non stop, probably texting him
like an insane person. It got so tense in the
house that Ethan and Amber had to go get a
freaking hotel because Amber, sorry Veronica is so unhinged that

(47:38):
they don't want to be around her, and uh, Micah
starts opening up about his relationship about how you know,
every time we have a fight, Veronica threatens to leave,
which is emotionally manipulative and abusive to do to people
like just fucking leave if you're gonna threaten it so
much like geez and uh. I think Micah tells then

(48:00):
that Veronica has been talking to Olivia, and you can
see how this makes Ethan man, the.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Way his face just fell and the expression of abject anger,
and also like the veils falling away, because I think,
for whatever reason, up until this moment, he's been trying
hard to give Veronica the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Like I think he's been trying to be very graceful
with her and for her, But in this moment, when
the ghost of Olivia is invoked, he's just like, oh,
hell no, it is on. Yeah, you know. Then we
get to the preview and like we see like how
he starts to regard Veronica, but like he's totally taken

(48:46):
by surprise.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, and I think he says something to the effect
like that sealed the deal for him with Veronica. He's like, Okay,
I know she's been tainted by the by the demon
that as Olivia is what he's basically saying. And then
Micah starts saying something like Veronica calls him a spineless worm,
and she probably calls him some other really heinous shit.

(49:08):
I mean, this is this is the kind of shit
that you don't say to somebody that you claim to
love and you need to have forgiven.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
And I thought it was weird that Ethan really didn't
flinch at that. I know, when Micah said that Veronica
called him that, Ethan just kind of took that in stride.
It wasn't until he learned that Olivia was involved that
he stopped what he was doing and like looked at Micah.
But I'm just like, hmm, that's interesting. It makes me

(49:35):
wonder if you've heard some of that type of invective
and rhetoric in your previous relationships, not necessarily just with Olivia,
but like in your childhood, in your family, like if
this is something maybe you all have some familiarity with.
But it didn't seem to surprise him.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
No, it didn't, which is really interesting. That change in
his affect between the spineless worm and then the Olivia
thing was very very.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Because if you told me that my daughter called you
a spineless worm or vice versa, I would be like,
hold up the fuck, let's stop right now, let's sit
down and let's have a conversation, because we don't do that.
That is not okay and this needs to stop. And
I want to help you guys to get the help
you need, Like I would like immediately call an emergency

(50:22):
meeting or whatever. Yeah, like for Ethan to just keep
it moving. I'm just like, what was going on?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
That's very odd, right, And then Micah asks something very
interesting that I thought, where he says, you know, do
we really make people feel this way? Because our family
really this fucked up that we make people feel this way?
And I thought that that was a very interesting thing
for somebody who's so emotionally unintelligent to ask, because if

(50:47):
you're so emotionally unintelligent, you wouldn't be aware of how
you or your family make other people feel. But the
fact that Micah is reflecting on that and is wondering, like,
are we really this terrible? And Ethan says no, because
Teagan gets along great with our family. Klin, who's I yeah,
Isaac's honeypop is getting along just fine. Like these people

(51:12):
are fine with our family and they enjoy our family
and love our family, and our family loves them. So
it's these other problem bitches that have come in that
are having issues. And I just I wonder what other
viewers make of that question, because there's a lot of
people that really hate the Plaths, like hate the Plaths

(51:32):
and think that they're all terrible people, and like we
come for everybody in this show, like nobody's free of criticism.
But I just wonder if people are kind of reflecting
on their own perceptions of this family, because I don't
think that they're all terrible. I think they all have
their issues, but I don't think that they're evil.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Oh, I definitely don't think that that most of them
are evil. I think the most problematic troublesome Plath is Kim, definitely,
and I think Olivia had experiences with Kim that were
very bad. And I actually think it's in such poor
taste for Veronica to leverage Olivia's legitimate experience with the

(52:13):
family and i e. Specifically with Kim, for herself, as
if like weaponizing Olivia's lived experience to validate her campaign
of abuse against Micah. Like you're not Olivia. You haven't
been around as long as Olivia's been around. You haven't
experienced anything that she has. You have not integrated yourself

(52:36):
into this family the way that Olivia has, so like
don't use her experience to justify your really bad behavior.
But that's what abusers.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Do, definitely, and Ethan and Micah both point that out,
they both saying something to the effect of Veronica is
just looking for validation. She's just looking for somebody to
tell her that her feelings are because all the time
they're crazy. And Micah says something very emotionally intelligent where
he says, I think Veronica is wrong a lot of

(53:08):
the time, and she doesn't like to be wrong, and
so she's looking for people to tell her that she's right.
And so she's going to people like Olivia and to
people on the internet and read it and saying all
this shit so that way she can have people tell
her like, yes, Queen Slay, you're doing so great and
there's nothing that is wrong about your behavior or your

(53:28):
feelings because we believe you. And now it's starting to
come out and come to light that Veronica's crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, and it begs the question, okay, well, now that
you don't have the support of your ex boyfriend, his
family and the audience and Reddit and Instagram anymore, how
are you, like what's going on in your mental state,
in your interior world? Because you really seemed desperate for

(53:59):
that validation, and Micah andn Ethan are wright and in
these moments, you're desperate for validation, Like how are you
right now? I think she is flailing. I think she's
going on the offense because she feels really defensive about
her bad behavior. But I just wonder where that's going
to lead her. And when we get into the preview,
when the whole family like sits around and confronts her,

(54:22):
you can kind of see her face like she looks
like she's about to cry and or is crying, like
she's being confronted with the totality of her bad behavior.
And I'm very curious to see how she handles that
moment because it is also happening in real time August
of twenty twenty five. She's being confronted by her bad
behavior by us yeap, So how's she going to handle that?

(54:43):
Oh my god, She's going to crumble.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
And I feel like she will lean farther into her
behavior because I think she's got an ego on her
and I think she doesn't want to be wrong, because
it takes a lot to admit that, like, Okay, I've
fucked up, you know, and if she was so so
emotionally intelligent, she would be able to do that and
she would be able to reflect and be like, you
know what, Yeah, I showed my ass on National TV.

(55:08):
I really shouldn't have called Micah all of these names.
I was being a total fucking raging bitch and I
didn't know how to chill out. But no, like you
went on Reddit before the season dropped, you spilled all
of this shit, like this crazy stuff Ethan trying to
burn zach alive and a hate crime which was a lie,

(55:28):
which was a fucking lie. But people are trying to
say that maybe that wasn't the real fire, maybe there's
a further fire.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I think that's what she was referring to. But also
Micah almost had his nose detached from his face, and
we see it's like a couple of stitches, right, So
Amber's one hundred percent correct when she's like, you like
escalate things and you're irrational, which is what the word
that Amber actually used, which is accurate. You're irrational and
you're constantly escalating to the next thing.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And I think Micah even said something like that, like
I think he said, I think when you have an opinion,
and you keep believing that opinion over and over and
over again, it becomes hardwired in your brain and so
therefore you believe it to be true. And that's what
he's saying with Veronica, like she has concocted this story
and this perception of the Plaths and this perception of

(56:20):
Barry and Mariah and everybody and making her feel unwelcomed,
and she has just repeated it over and over and
over again.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
It's created aural pathway.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yep, that's exactly what it is. And unless you take
a humble pill and realize I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
She's not there, dude. There are some behaviors that are
like indicative of unregulated, unmedicated or unthrapized personality disorders, and
I do personally think we're seeing some of that in Veronica.
Like I when I say I think she needs help,
she does. I think she needs like real intensive help,

(56:55):
because if she doesn't, she's not just going to continue
to hurt other people with her vipe tongue and her actions,
She's also going to continue to herself. She's going to
be alone. She's not gonna be able to be in
healthy relationships where there's a healthy give and take and
like like an understanding between two people. She's not capable
of it at this level, at least based on what

(57:15):
we are seeing.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
No, I agree, And in the preview we also have
Lydia trying on dresses beautiful, she looks gorgeous. We have
Amber saying that it's a little rushed, but she's happy.
And then we have Barry saying he's got the drip.
I love Barry using twenty twenty five drip terms. It's

(57:37):
so fucking funny to be God's stupid God for real,
for real. And then we have Kim trashing Barry because
she can't stand the fact that Barry is winning from
this divorce, like she cannot handle it.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
But you can't.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Kim is mad that Barry is trying to act like
the fun, loving, exciting dad and the Disney Day and
he doesn't want to be mean and ask questions, which
I mean fair a little bit. I've been saying that too,
Like I don't like the fact that he's just like
Gung Ho t Kim.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
No, the woman who's had like an adulterous affair and
a dui where she wrapped her car around a tree
is not the one to be complaining about Barry's positivity
and his happy life. Like maybe if Micah and Isaac
and Ethan want to talk about like what they wish
their dad would do in this situation, like that would
be a little bit more legitimate. But like, Kim, the
hell up, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
What are you doing? Are you interrogatings like no, you're
also supporting it. But there is a scene in the
preview where she says something like we all feel very
pressured to accept somebody that we don't know. And this
is what I was trying to get at last week
that it's like, you know, it's a little hard to
accept somebody that just came into Lydia's life within four months.

(58:55):
They've only spent like a week together. They were primary,
they were mainly distance before getting married.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Girl, I accepted you. I was watching movies with you,
I was inviting you over your company.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
But it was quick, hunny, Yeah, but I got to
know you. We didn't get married until after nine months.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Thank you. My bad, So my bad. But I'm just
saying like, yeah, I understand it's an adjustment, but then
don't make it. If you don't want to make it,
then don't If you do want to make it, then
show up and be a part of it. Like just
shut up. Yeah, no Ethan throwing the tables at the
wedding or whatever, Like, Okay, come on people, if you
don't want to be there, if you don't support it,
then just don't ruin it for other people.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Exactly. Yeah. So I'm very like it seems like we're
leading up to the wedding. I don't know if that's
going to be like the season finale, or if we're
going to get to it like in two weeks or
next week.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I want to get to so.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I want to get to it so bad because we
have like Lydia and Zach saying that their wedding was peaceful.
I don't know if that's like and.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
They were being sarcastic.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I would hope so, because I'm like, there.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Was a violent fight, everybody was drunk, give me one margarita.
They were having.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Fun, unless the fight happened after they left and it
was just a weird party thing and everybody was drunk
and see getting crazy. But I just want to see
that wedding sold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
We're not going to see it because the way that
Micah refers to it in the talking head in the
preview is like, yeah, well there was a problem at
the wedding, so he's kind of summarizing what happened as
opposed to like clips of the wedding or anything else,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah, but we were seeing like Teagan and Ethan showing
up at the wedding and Veronica saying she didn't want
to sit next to Ethan and Tegan at the wedding,
and so maybe we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
See some of that. But in terms of the violins,
the violambs, but that's what I want to see. I
want to know what drives my sweet baby, I say,
you know, to punch his brother's lights out. I know,
then I want to see him do it. I'm sorry,
I'm a terrible raccoon.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Ship. I just want to see it all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yes, And is there anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Well, and we are actually going to be going over
the mid season trailer on our Patreon and we're going
to just be talking mad shit. And we're also going
to be looking at the upcoming Sister Wives new season.
They dropped a trailer. There's a lot going on, and
we're going to talk about that, but again only on Patreon. Yeah,
so make sure you join us if you can. Now, Beatrice,

(01:01:26):
is there anything else that we need to say to
these beautiful raccoons before we get up on at a here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
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Really helps more raccoons join us in the dumpster, so
we can maybe get to six thousand subscribers one day.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Ohly God, that would be so great. Oh, I'm raying
for the day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
We're going to be back next week to talk Sister
Wives in More Plaids Bill. We've got a lot coming
up for fall twenty twenty five. Make sure you come
back for that. But until then, please do not forget
that we have nothing but love for you, and please
alight