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Speaker 3 (02:05):
Harry want to welcome to another night of Rip Paranormal
and Friends. We have a special guest for you tonight.
We have Dwight Snethen. He is from the Fowler Theater
are also known as the Haunted Fowler Theater, so please
welcome Dwight to the show. It's nice to have you on.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Absolutely. Now, before we start talking about the theater, can
you give us a little bit of background on yourself
and how you got involved with the paranormal and how
did you get involved with the theater. It's kind of
a loaded question.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Here, No, don't worries. So I've been, I've been.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
I've been interested in the paranormal and cryptosology and so
ever since I was a kid. But I really never
had any type of experience until we moved to Fowler.
It's about thirteen years ago. We moved with Dread Group
about eight miles east of Feller. We moved here and
my first experience wasn't even at the theater. It was
in the house we live in now. We started doing, yeah,

(03:12):
we started doing renovations. We'd hear noises, we'd hear voices,
knocks on doors. My boys would hear they were little
at the time. They would hear someone say their name
while they were playing in their bedrooms by themselves, and
they was just it was nothing scary, nothing. We never
felt worried or anything. It was just it was our

(03:33):
first experience with it, and then the theater was a
staple here in town, so we would take our kids
see movies, and as they got older, we'd still go there.
But I got more involved when I I was actually.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Asked to be on the board the theater boards.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
The theater itself is owned by a nonprofit, so there's
no owner, there's no paid employees, it's all a volunteer run.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
And so I was invited to be on the board.
And so that's how I got involved.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
And one of the first solo nights by myself just
I guess that's what.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Solo means, right. I was working the theater and I
closed up, I sent some people home, and I'm in
the office and I go to put money in the
safe and I hear this noise outside the office door
and this light picture that you screw up and the
ceiling had fallen to the floor, and I thought that
was weird. So I told you record the next day
and she said it's probably one of our ghosts.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
I said, what, what ghosts? So I kind of piqued
my interest. And then we had a paranormal group that
started investigating the theater and I was there one of
the knights. They investigated and I I apparently asked them
so many questions. They finally got sick of me asking questions,
so they invited me to be on the team. That's

(04:54):
how I got my paranormal That's how I got on
my first paranormal team, a group called seven six five Pair.
I've got a technology background, so I worked.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
On a lot of the IT stuff. Oh very cool,
and so that was that's how I got really involved.
And then I started my Haunted Faller because as I
would post things about the theater, people would say, Oh,
did you know this? Or what about this building or
this location? We found out about on a house, an
old abandon haunted jail that's in town still that we investigate, now,

(05:25):
a museum, a church, and so I'm like, this whole
place is haunted. So I started my Haunted Faler.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh wow, that's insane. Now when was now this theater?
Was it built in like the nineteen forties or something
like that.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah, it was actually built in nineteen forty So where
it sits today, there was a hotel there and they
tore down the eastern third of the hotel to build
the theater. And so we believe there's paranormal history tied
to that hotel too, because it was built in the
eighteen eighties. So you know, we have we have things
happened at the theater that makes us think it's like

(06:02):
a manager who had killed himself in the sixties, But
we have other things that happened that we don't really
correlate to anything that we know about the history. We
did have a train crash in nineteen oh seven that
would have been technically about a block and a half
south of the theater, So we've always kind of wondered
if maybe there were twenty five people killed and eleven.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Have more burned alive.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Oh wow, So we wondered, you know, in nineteen oh seven,
did they use the hotel as sort of a makeshift
hospital and put the bodies and the people there. You know,
that could be some of it. There could have been
just people died in the hotel. So we we tend
to think it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh yeah, for sure. And I mean, you know, I
don't know what was on the land before that, but
you know, there could be energy tied to the land
in general.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, it was all Native American.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
There was a lot of wars here that the took
the Battle of Typecanu was about thirty miles east, and
I know that they retreated back into this part of
the state when they were losing the battle.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
So there's and it's all you know, the whole United
States has that kind of.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
History, right, Yeah, for sure, that's that's very interesting.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I've seen some of the you know, little clips and
things that you put on there, But lately you've been
having like I know, you had like a kid or something,
a child that went to the restroom and had seen
a man or something.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
That was a brand new experience. We so we're not.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
So it first started there's a there's a middle school
there for an event, and there were two people working
in the concession. This little boy, young boy went into
into the men's room, and he came out and asked
them if they had seen somebody in there with him
or go in there with him, Like, no, you went
in there by yourself. So he went back in the
bathroom and came out and said, well, I'm talking to
some man in there right now. And this kind of

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went on for a little bit so that they got
the teacher. The teacher took him outside said this is
really out of character for this kid. He's pretty you know,
nothing like that's really happened before. He's never really one
who draws attention to himself, et cetera. So that after
that happened, Jill, who's our executive director, she was she

(08:14):
was working and she was having all kinds of like
somebody was bugging her, and she saw a man in
a flannel shirt. She never told me what he looked like.
She just said it was a man in a flannel shirt.
And then the next night I was working, me and
another board member working, and I'm standing at the concession
and out of my left eye, I see what looks

(08:35):
like a man in a brown flannel shirt with a
beard and a kind of.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
A white face.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
And I described that to her. She goes, that's exactly
what I saw. And so we don't know who he is.
If somebody we do a lot of paranormal investigations, maybe.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Somebody running in with him. But that's that's been a new,
relatively new experience.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Oh wow, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't think I've ever
seen anybody, you know, that detailed. I've only seen that face,
that lady's face one time. But that's very interesting and
for you know, and and children they seem to be
more open to those things, you know, So that's very

(09:18):
unique in itself. Have you ever, i mean, have you
ever caught anything similar to that on your cameras?

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Trying to think of we've we've never really caught We've
not caught a human apparition.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
We caught. What weve is a cat that our ghost animal.
Oh yeah, it was nineteen and it looks like.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'll call it a blob, a clear blob of a
cat moving toward the camera than just disappearing at the door.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh wow.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
We never really capture human. Yeah, we've got a picture.
We've gotten a picture of what looks like a little
boy backstage. Wo the closest we've had. But we've got
security cameras two outside, one of the concession area, one
of the auditorium, one backstage office, and the projection booth.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
So that's that's.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Why we were able to get a lot of I
shouldn't say a lot, I mean some of it we've
been able to debump, but we at least having the
security cameras in there, we can now figure out why
did that light go on? Sometimes we can often we
can't figure out why light went on? We've had that
light that goes on in the middle of the night.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh yeah, that's insane. Now you say, do you have
other parents? You said, you have other paranormal teams that
come in there and and investigate as well.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah. So we have.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
So three weeks of September and all of October, we've
had at least one group in each each Saturday night,
and we've we've had people from Michigan, in Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio,
and even Finland.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Oh wow, Like how.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
I was like, how did you find out she was
dating somebody who was coming down here? But I'm like,
you you get the prize for the furthest travel all.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Right, yeah, my gosh, that's insane.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
And that's the thing I've really liked about it more
than anything, is all the people have gotten to me.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
We end up I do a lot.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Of ghost hunting and I do a lot of ghost hosting.
So like Saturday, you know, I've got coming in out
of southern Indiana. I'll be here Saturday night from nine
to two or whatever.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I enjoy that part of it. Well, Plus I'm doing
a ghost walk. Oh gosh, tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Oh we do that every Halloween.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Oh okay, that's awesome. Now if somebody, let's say, if
one of our listeners wanted to book this place, how
would they do that?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
So they would just go to Valortheater dot com and
we have a section there about how to book the
There's two locations, so there's the theater and there's the
excuse me, the old Bitton County Jail.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
It was so so we've got access to both.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
And the jail was built in eighteen seventy six and
it's it's a solid building now, there's been recently. I
found an article and I thought I thought it was
eighteen seventy six till today, but the article says it
actually burned down in eighteen eighty and was rebuilt. But
either way, it's still a solid building. But we had

(12:43):
a lot of sheriffs over the years, back in the
olden days. You know, who knows what kind of justice
went on there, we had it. There was a news
article from nineteen sixty four with a local newspaper. They
interviewed a former sheriff and he gave a tour of it.
Down in the basement, which they called the dungeon. You
can see the holes in the walls. But they used
to change the prisoners up to the wall, and he

(13:04):
said they would leave them there until they confessed or
went crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Oh my gosh, that's.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's two great locations.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh yeah for sure. Oh yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Can we need to make a trip. Time to road
trip again.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Time to road trip again.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Where are you all out?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
We're from Iowa.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh yeah, you're just around the corner.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, we're not too far, not too far. We went
to Indiana last year. We went to Indiana State Asylum,
the sanatorium. Yeah, we moved there. But yeah, that would
be awesome to do too. Yeah. I haven't done too
many jails either, but that would be another one. Now
you say you do parallel investigations, Now, have you ever

(13:54):
traveled on a sarea just keeping around those locations?

Speaker 4 (13:59):
I I haven't gone as many place as I like.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
I went to Rant Office August in Winchester, Indiana, and
that was that is a neat building, just from the
history itself and the size of it. The crownd Point
in Jail, Crownpoint, Indiana, where John Dillinger was locked up.
That was a very active place. So I've been getting
more people to help me do the paranormal investigations we

(14:24):
do here so that I can, you know, have a
life on the weekends for sure, so I like to go.
One of my favorite things we did though, actually it
was two years ago, we went on a big foot
hunt in southern Indiana and we took our paranormal equipment,
so we were trying to see if we could connect.
And I gave the guy a theory of I said,

(14:44):
what if Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Isn't real anymore, but we're seeing the spirit of Bigfoot
roaming because if the Bigfoot was humanoid and animals have spirits,
maybe we're seeing that. You liked the idea.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I've also heard like interdimensional, like they can travel between
dimensions too. I've heard that too, So I don't know
who knows, but that's one thing I would like to do,
and I I'm pretty sure when we were at Indiana
State last the summer, I'm there was something going out
and there we could hear knocking on the trees and

(15:19):
you could see the movement, but it was only on
a certain tree. And every time we would holler and
yell to try to spook it to see if it
was an animal, you know, that would run out or whatever,
but it just kept doing the same knock on the
same tree. It was very bizarre. There was a lot
of weird noises coming from that area, and I'm like, Oh,
that would be so fun just to be able to

(15:39):
sit out there and just that's one thing I haven't
done yet. I'd like to go out and search for Bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, that was cool. Southern Indiana is a lot more
wooded than people realize. Northern Indiana beanfields, cornfields, not much
in terms of forests and hills. Yeah, but you go
to southern Indiana and you're getting closer to Kentucky, you're
getting down by the Auto States.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Lots of places to hide down there.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Oh yeah, for sure. Now, what's one of your most
memorable things that, like a piece of data or evidence
that you have caught while investating?

Speaker 5 (16:17):
So cod that's okay. My most unnerving moment was in
the basement of the jail. We had a group in
there and we had ANLS camera pointed down a short
hallway and I'm watching the camera and I see this
black mask go down.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
You have two doors laying.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
On the side of their like original front doors of
the jail, and this mask just goes down the length
of the door and goes behind it in my right ear.
I hear heavy breath and I go, hey, Pete, Hey, Pete,
did you see that, thinking my friend Pete was behind me. Oh,
nobody was behind me. There was nobody there. So that
probably the thing that freaked me out the most captured,

(17:00):
I would say, I think for me what felt like
the coolest thing. We did a documentary on the theater
a few years back, and when I met the director
there that night, we were going to preview it on
the big screen, make sure they worked just fine. Already
parked there, I pull up. We go in together and
go in, turn all the lights on. We go over

(17:21):
by the men's bathroom and he's telling me about the
investigation the weekend before where they did some final filming.
I'm standing toward the bathroom door. I'm staring at him,
but I can see into the men's bathroom and he's very.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Expressively telling me.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
And then justin pushed on the door and he and
before he could say anything, I held the waters on
and the water was not on when we got there,
and so something could turned the water off.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
That's been a regular current at the waterfalls can turn
on so that was. That was. I wish I'd have
seen it in a moment. Then we do a preview
and he leaves.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I lock up, so I'm in the projection booth and
I hear I swear it sounds like a movie playing
in the auditorium. I know there's no movie, so I well,
maybe somebody's here. So I call out hello. Nobody answers,
and I go home, and I thought, well, I wonder
if I would have caught something on a camera. So

(18:20):
I go back and I listen to the cameras and
I don't hear anything in any of the cameras, and
I get to the office camera and it's just me
and I don't sound feminine, I don't think, but I
hear after you can hear me say hello, and then
you hear a woman say someone's here, and it caught
on the camera.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
And so that that was.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
And I will say the creepiest joint activity was with
my wife. So we were in the theater, we're working.
There's like six or seven of us, and it was
right during COVID's but we were using walkie talkies to
tell people like how many roads are available, et cetera.
So she's tick a booth and we have three walkie talkies.

(19:03):
I walk in front of I'm walking somewhere in front
of the camera, and she comes out and says, did
somebody call me on the radio? I'm like, no, you know,
just no one did anything. And so she's sitting out
and you can see her on the camera. I go outside,
thinking maybe somebody's messing with her, and I come back in.
I walk, I passed her and on her radio you

(19:26):
hear Michelle and her name is Michelle. Everybody but he's
just like, look and it didn't come through on my radio,
just hers, And so I booth and I asked one
of the workers, is that other radio one? None of
it's off, No one was even using it. And then
as I turn around, you hear on her radio Michelle

(19:46):
and on my radio nothing. So she's back back in
the booth and then she calls me on the radio
and I hear her, so we know the radios are working.
And she said while she was in the booth she
heard Michelle, is that you.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I know it's you. And so she doesn't like she
likes this stuff as long as it doesn't happen to her. Yeah,
like talking about it, I guess those are quite my
tree best experiences.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well, those are some pretty darn good experiences. I would
have to say. We've had something similar too with the
walkies at Edinburgh, manor here in Iowa. The first couple
of times it was a little boy that would come
through and you'd only come through on.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
One walkie and they're all four sitting next to each other.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, they're all next to each other. Now. The last
time we were there, we were setting up and only
through one walking There was a guy who came through
and he said, get me out of here. And it
only came through the one walkie. So we're like, okay,
we're going to take one around with us as we're going,
you know, investigating, And we got some weird noises through there.

(20:58):
But there was a question I can't remember what question,
and I asked, and when I went back to listen
to my recorder, they responded through that walkie and it
was the same guy. I don't know it was. It
was very bizarre.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
But so, I mean, and they've only done that at Edinburgh,
They've never done.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
That any world.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, we haven't had a done another location one place.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah that's cool.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, So I mean you can pretty much use anything
as paranormal equipment.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
That's gonna say nobody else in the world of paranormal people.
That's cool, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
They would freak everybody else out. But yeah, we were like,
oh my gosh, this is so cool. But yeah, do
you have a favorite piece of equipment that you like
to use.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Well, it's kind of all over the place, and I'm
willing to try anything you do. Hear people get really upset.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I'm not upset if they get very critical about certain things,
including apps. Like you know, at one point people thought
you were crazy because you thought and then somebody had
to say, oh, yeah, like you can hear it goes
to the radio, and now it's now it's just normal.
So I tend to like a little bit of everything
I do. Like a spearbox Standard SB seven. I think

(22:16):
it's just it's a good tool. Especially at the theater.
We will hump it through the auditorium speakers so you
get seven total surrounds out experience.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I say that, yeah, cool to do.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Oh yeah, I bet for sure. That's yeah, that'd be cool. Now.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
The digital voice recorders always fun too, because when you
pick something up that no one else heard, I think
it's just the greatest.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's one of my favorite
things too, is the recorder. We also like to use
the trip wires. Those are fun to use. We get
a lot of activity with those. But in our music book,
so we get a lot of activity with the oh
yeah music box.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, yeah, I do think of music mm hm.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Oh yeah, for sure. I'd like to get another one
of those, but not the expensive one.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Cheap cheaper this time.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Now have you seen so there's a there's an app
called Spirit Music Box by Spot of Ghosts. It actually
works really well on the phone, and it's all based
on like cepation, you get too close to it, you
some phones aren't always compatible. Builds a lot of a

(23:39):
lot of apps that are designed to work with your
with your device.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
And its features. So it's a it's a good cheap
Spirit music Box.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I guess I haven't. I haven't looked into that one.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
I checked.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Kim is are one that keeps because we will use Necrophonics,
we've used Spirits, we've tried Spiritus. That one's nots. We
didn't have much luck with that one, but acrophonics is
pretty good. Now with the theater, I mean, I know

(24:12):
you do paranormal stuff and you have other things. You play,
you have movies, and you do other events. Have you
ever done, like thought about doing like an expo or
anything there? Have you ever done anything like that?

Speaker 4 (24:24):
We have had.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
This year was our third or four third because of COVID,
our third parformal convention. So we do We've been called
the freak out palor Oh. We didn't have as many
vendors this year, but we did an exciting one this year.
But we did vendors and we did a snake medium.

(24:48):
So she did a session or in the auditorium, and
then we did a documentary on the jail.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
In the middle of the documentary on the jail, this
woman just is of it.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Oh man, what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
She was.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
The east.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
You're cutting out.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
Of the girl. H I think you're.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Cutting out a little bit here.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Okay, my camera might be for my internet might be
part of the problem.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Okay, go ahead, So now you're clear. Now you're clear.
I couldn't hear anything other than you sound like you
were talking underwater there for a second.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
So but anyway, we're doing the documentary on the lunching
of a person killed a fifteen year old girl. Well,
this woman stands up and she's just yelling at everybody
that this is crap and this is this isn't true.
And she was the great niece or something of the
girl who was murdered, and that she was telling us

(26:00):
that the family knew that this guy didn't do it,
and they tried to, they tried to, you know, save
him and everything, and we're like, you know it, so
it's our We interviewed her cousin like it feels like
you need to talk to your cousin because his story
is different than your story. We were just telling our
story based on our investigation, our experience, and she was

(26:26):
she was yelling and she's going to get a lawyer.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I'm like, what.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Cousin Si releases. Yeah, we haven't heard back from her since.
I think she just needed some attention.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh wow, that's insane. Oh my gosh. Well you get
all kinds when you have things events like that and
expose and everything. You never know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
The cool the cool part was that we went in
and showed Poulter guys that night, and then we did
a ghost on afterwards at the jail in the theater,
so we pretty m could make it a whole.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Day of that.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh that'd be cool. Yeah, cool, Yeah, I was just
looking here that you're saying, Oh, it looks like you're
gonna have some you have some like, oh, tomorrow, you
guys are playing The Night mem before Christmas.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yes, with the actors strike right now, we have a
little more flexibility show.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Okay, gotcha, all right, that's awesome. I was just kind
of looked into the sit there.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Ye see, we're hoping we're going to get The Exorcist,
but that didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Oh man, that's a bummer. But hey, the Night Member
for Christmas is an excellent choice. I love that movie. Yeah,
you can play that for Christmas or Halloween. Go either
way with that one. Now back to the paranormal field.
What would you like to see happen in the paranormal field?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Like I would say, you're recently a little less drama.
It seems like nobody's mad at each other these days.
I'm in it.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
I'm in it because I'm interested in it. I'm not
in it to be famous. I have a great face
for radio. That's about it. And so I just wish
people would be honest and be sincere and be respectful.
That's that's it.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Absolutely. I agree with you one hundred percent. I see
that a lot too on there. I'm like, oh my gosh,
cut with the drama. How old are we now? Let's
all work together to figure this shit out. That's my thought. Like,
nobody's better than anyone else. We're all in it to,
you know, learn from this and figure out why these

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spirits stay here, you know, can.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, I mean, if you're in it to get famous, then.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
You're in it for the wrong reason.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Okay, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Or you know a lot of times some of them
that are in it to be famous fake a lot
of stuff, so which gives real investigators a bad rap.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I always whatever I get, I always try to I
might like, increase the volumes you can hear it better,
but I tried to do it just as is. What's there,
what you see. I've been down the path to you
know once all you might put your own what you
think you hear, and I try not to do that
anymore because it does kind of sway people.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Right. No, I get it. We do the same thing.
If you go back and look when we started our
YouTube channel, what like I don't know, ten years ago.
I haven't posted anything since then, but it was It's
very raw footage. It's just like something that we just
uploaded in there. You go, there's nothing to it. Nothing,

(29:53):
It's a.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
Lot of stuff I post.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
I always usually say, I don't know if it's paranormal not.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Let's let you.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Decide, right, Yeah, you get all the faders in there,
you know.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, Well that's why I find so frustrating. It's like, Okay,
you don't have to believe, you don't have to agree,
but you don't have to be a jerky either.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Just move on right, Yeah you can see it, and
if you don't agree with it, just scroll on by.
That's my thought.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
And I've seen the other side too, where you try
to give good feedback, we'll get it really worked up.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's like, I can't tell you. It looks to me
like dust and all my god, it's like, no, it's
an orb okay whatever. And early on I did the
same thing.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
I'd see some cool looking movement on the camera and
now I look back and go, yeah, that was that
was dust.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
That was a fly. Now I know I know better,
and I'm learning, you know, I'm always learning exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
You're always learning. There's we're all still learning and everything, right, Yeah,
nobody has figured it out exactly that they haven't. Everybody's learning,
everybody's I mean, it's a big puzzle and who knows
if we will ever figure it out, but you know
we're having fun doing it or having.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Well that's the other piece too, is I liked I
liked the learning. I also like the history. Just learning
about a location, learning about what's happened to a you know,
in that space, and if you can help to save
a building that's you know that's struggling.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Or Yeah, absolutely for sure, because so many of these
historic buildings just get torn down and it's sad to
see them go because it's part of history.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, because we put a lot of a lot of money,
time and effort into saving the theater, and we've had
buildings like are right across the street. There are two
buildings remaining, and literally a year and a half ago,
one of the buildings collapsed, just collapsed in on itself.
We have a park next to us that used to
be a row of buildings. They got condemned because there's

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somebody taking care of them.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Right, Yeah, that's it's sad to see how that go.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
It really is, well, don't fit into now things.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
You know, they gotta have everything so modern, this old
stuff they want to dare it now?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Right?

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Make parking?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Just wait in another ten twenty years, it's all going
to come back around. Like you know, fashion from back
in the day is making its way, you know, from
the seventies and eighties is coming back. Got nineties stuff
coming back. Then everybody's gonna want to go back to
the old vintage houses and everything, and then there's not
going to be any of that stuff left for them

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to go back to.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Right.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
So, Yeah, there's a house that just came up for
sale in town here and my wife has heard for
twelve years that I'd love to buy that house.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
It just looks like it should.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Be haunted, and I'd like, now, can I can vince
her to go buy the house? It's like, well, I'm
not done renovating this house, so I doubt it, but
I'd love to have it.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, Now, do you have any other investigations
lined up besides the ones that you're helping out with,
like on your own?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Like not right now? I've done well.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
So we went up to Traverse City, Michigan, and it
wasn't a ghost, but we got to tour an old
asylum up there and it was the third largest asylum
in Michigan and beautiful, beautiful location. And the person that
ran it, he was very.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Respectful of the people that were there.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
It was all about I forget what his whole theme was,
but it was all about respect and care for the people,
and like he wouldn't let him sit in their rooms
all day. You know, part of the have to get
up and you get dressed, and there are certain parts
that you know, maybe they were more severe, but they
really tried to rehabilitate people and treat them decent. And
we got to go into some of the old abandoned

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buildings that haven't been renovated yet.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
That was cool. There's a felt mansion up near Holland,
Michigan that is really neat. We didn't investigate, but we
got to do a walk through and it's supposed to
be haunted. So there's places I've been to. But this
this time of the.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Year is really tough because we have so much going
on in October. But I do intend to get to
a few more places. I'd like to get to Indiana,
Indiana State. I'd love to get to some of the
bigger places. I haven't been to Vacilla. I'd love to
go there.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
So I want to just a matter of well I
get to Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
We want to get back to Indiana State.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
But that was a cool place. Is we didn't even
get through it all.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
No, we didn't get through it all because we had
so much action in the nurses wing that.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
It was like.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
And then oh, yeah, I know for sure. You've got
three buildings that you can still go through there, and
there's so much land and all the weird stuff that's happening,
just like I said, on the land, and then in
the the building that we stayed in and.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Where the offices, I think it's haunted too, because we
heard noises and voices and everything else all night long.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Banging things were banging. There was a man talking, and
then there was like screaming. And I think I maybe
slept an hour hour and a half because I was
just listening to this. So it's like, wow, yeah, it's
it's I highly recommend going there.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
It's it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
You got day visits, her day tours. They're not full
investigation they like just going down there just for that
part of.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Oh yeah, and then they got those tunnels you can
go through.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah. I say, like, like I've been there, but I've
seen the videos and pictures.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
And tunnels with snakes.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, there was a that was over by which.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
That's just coming out of tunnel going over to the morgue.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Oh yeah. So going through the tunnel under the work
there was one of our friend's daughter and her dad.
We're filming and she's like, I think that's a snake.
He's like, it's not a snake. And they looked and
there was a snake hanging from the ceiling. Oh yeah.

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That would be creepy to walk into because I'm like, okay, great,
I walk in all these places and I don't carry
a flashlight or anything, so I'm just walking pitch black.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
If I would have clocked that in my face, Oh
my gosh, I don't know what I would that's great,
oh something or just something hanging from the ceiling, you know,
not thinking that it was a snake. But m Now,

(37:18):
do you have any places locations that are on your
bucket list, like anywhere in the world that you would
really like to go to? If you could.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
I've got a couple of friends that have gone to Transylvania.
I would love that they went to Draculus Castle. I
think it was two years year. Well, I don't remember.
I think there was still lots of restrictions and things.
But the Stanley Hotel would probably my dream visit.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Oh, that would be a good one too. A lot
of people have talked about that one. Even last week
our guest said that he would like to go there.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
So I'm a big Stephen King fan too, so it
was just connection.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Oh oh yeah, Stephen King. Yeah, I like to watch
all those and I've watched both of the Shining movies.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Well, my son was asking me about Stephen King, and
I didn't realize how many of his books I actually
read because I don't. I don't read a lot of books.
And I thought back, every book I read it with
Stephen King. Yeah, that would be that to me, that
would be cool. That would be like a I wouldn't mind.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
I wouldn't mind. That sounds stupid.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
I would love to, uh like the Southwest. I think
the Southwest has so much.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
You know, there's the Clown Hotel or hotel out that way,
Tombstone places like that. I think it would just be
really cool to investigate.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Oh yeah, for sure, that'd be cool. We we were
trying to, you know, spread our wings and go to
some different states because we usually just stay in Iowa.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
But so far we've been to Illinois and Indiana, in Kansas, Kansas.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
Yeah, so we're working our way.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
We're working way.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
What was that the true ghost time? I say, for
a true ghost time, I haven't made it out of
the state. I've been to haunted places in Michigan, but
it was like during the day with tourists.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
We're in the process of booking Randolph.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Oh yeah, have you been there before? No, it's awesome,
You're I love it.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
That's what we're hear. So we're hoping there's crossed these
last new places that we've gone to Ashmore and.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
I loved Ashmore. I want to go back to Edgar.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Oh yeah, that was insane there.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Too, So I hadn't. I don't know if something was
thrown at me at Randolph. I just remember being in
the doll room. It was a doll room, and I
hear something hit the floor.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
It was a toy room. It wasn't there's like a
toy room in the doll room, I'm just running my
camera and al asudden here something like hit the floor
and I could just fall from the ceiling.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
But it was just it was it was an interesting experience.
And then we were doing a trip wire later that
night on the other side of the halls and I'm
just taking pictures down the long hall and I'm going
back through the pictures and it's like nobody, Nobody, nobody,
and then one picture looks like two women standing there,
and then after that nobody, nobody, nobody, which was really creepy.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Oh wow, that's insane. I would like to catch something
on camera. That's that's on my bucket list. Like one
of these days, I know we're going to catch something.
I just I see everybody else says. I'm like, man,
that is so cool. I'm like, I can catch something

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like that. Otherwise we just get things thrown at us.
And now you mentioned it. There's a doll room there.
It's like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Dolls don't like you. They always come flying at you.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I know, I know.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Oh no, we have another place here in town. It's
an old it's the Historical Society, and they have a
museum as a part of it, and they're very particular.
I mean they really only let me and anybody I
bring investigate. And that to me was it's like a
it's a treasure trove of just something's attached to these items.

(41:31):
So the first time we went in there, we're doing
a walkthrough and I'm running my camera. I don't even
notice this until I go back to the footage.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
It's in a room with dolts, and there's three dolls.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
One doll looks like it was made by kid and
it was so when he was nine he made this doll.
There's another doll his mother made it when she was nine.
And then there's this third doll. Well, we're running the
camera and I made this comment about it being kind
of this creepy ass doll. And then as I'm looking
back through the footage, as I say that, the doll's

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head jerks backwards. Nobody's near it, nobody touches it. Well,
there's one person, but she's not you can see her
hand is not even on it.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
It just jerks backwards.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
And the story is that when he was on his
deathbedd he had asked his sister to destroy his doll
he didn't want anybody else to have it. She'd instead
donated to the museum. She also donated her aunt's Ouiji
board that had a so it was built, it was
made like it was made like pre Hitler. It's got

(42:38):
to started David in a swastika on it, and you know,
those two things don't quite get good. So that's in
the museum. And then we were we were in this
military room and we picked up this army helmet and
underneath the army helmet was a Nazi helmet from World
War Two and we put a K two on the

(43:01):
so I stick aside. The thing would just go crazy
on the other side. Nothing, it was just like it
was reacting to that. And then we go into this
Native American room in our most recent visit, and I'd
been there, you know, five or six different times. And
the guy I was with, he's got a millimeter on
top of the Native American display and it's just going
off and going off, and he can't figure out what's happening.

(43:23):
So he puts it underneath. It doesn't do anything. He
puts it in the drawer. It's just going crazy. So
he's looking through all these papers that are in the drawer,
he finds a map. We pull the map out. It's
a map from World War two Nazi Germany. So we're like,
all these things are just going, you know, making all
the equipment go crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Oh my gosh, that's insane. Well, they do say that,
you know, some people thinks that they attached to specific objects,
you know, if it has a meaning to them.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
Some people just next time you go there, you need
to learn to speak German to see if anything.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
And through you.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, so what we did. I don't speak German, but
we use Google trans We use Google Translate. We ask
questions in German.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Oh yeah, that was It didn't really, it didn't result
in much. I'm like, I'm going to do this more
often because we the original owner of the theater was
a Greek immigrant. So now I'm starting to use Google
Translate to ask questions in Greek.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
See maybe I can spot.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, that's a good idea. That's another thing. Do you
like to use trigger objects?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah? I do. We we have in the theater. We
have a trench coat and a fedora. It fits a slender.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Man, not me, and we've had people wear that because
there's a early on during the renovations of the theater.
In two thousand, people kept reporting seing a man in
a fedora walking around the theater, and in nineteen forty
all the men were you know, fedoras and trench coats,
and so they think it was the original owner coming

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back to check and see what's going on. So we've
had people where a trench goat of fedora is just
it's trigger objects to see if we can get any
kind of responses. We've had some good results. We played
the original movie on the screen that was played nineteen
forty just to see if we can get some kind
of activity from that.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
We've done.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Like the spear box through there. So I do like
the idea of using a trigger object. The one time
I did try gunshot sounds in the other parium. So
the manager in nineteen sixty eight shot and killed himself,
so I thought, you know, I did on the day
he shot himself to see if maybe that would get
kind of responses.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
So I do like that approach.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
You cut out there, person, you just pros again. So
I wasn't oh I hear you out yep yep.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
I just said I like that approach.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Oh yeah, for sure. We like to use a lot
of trigger objects as well.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
I've got a World War Two Navy uniform.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
I founded a antique shop.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
We've used and.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
We've gotten things happened around it every once in a while,
depends on where we're going.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
We've got a mannequin.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
We dressed her up as whatever place we go, like
the same asylum and stuff.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
We got a doctor's outfit, so we dressed her up
like a doctor.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Then if we're in a military area, she's got the
uniform on.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And then yeah, see if we get anything stirred up
with that. But nothing, nothing quite yet with her.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
No, not yet.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
I did forget to tell you so recently. We've done
this three years in a row now. But we have
a gentleman out of Chicago and he brings down a
portable Organsas And so we showed the original fan of
the opera silent film while he played organ in the auditorium.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Oh wow, it was cool.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
And that was the night I saw that guy in
the flannel shirt out of the corner of my eye.
His wife came up in the middle of his performance,
panicking because something was going wrong with his equipment. He's
never had a problem like what happened that night with
his views.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
I don't have no idea.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
It's never done this before, and it corrected itself. So
we're like, somebody here is messing.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
With this place.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
But I thought, you know, is the silent film even
though it was pre so the sign of films were
before the theater was built. But isn't enough of a
nostalgic kind of film that it brought something some energy
out for sure?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Oh it could, it could, definitely. Yeah. Have you ever
used like the like the em pumps or anything like that.
Do you have any of those to spike up the energy?

Speaker 4 (47:56):
I don't. We've had people bring them through.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
We've we first started investigating, somebody brought one in and
that night we heard a little boy after he went
through that he went through the theater and he was
just doing whatever whatever you do to make it work,
and we heard so there were several of us. I say, us,
I was in the concession area. There are five or
six backstage and two people in the auditorium. And on

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video you hear a little boy yell out, and one
of the investigators said, what was that?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
And then you hear somebody in the auditorium saying, we
heard it too. We thought it was you guys, or
maybe somebody in the concession area. I was the guy
in the concession area. It's like I didn't hear anything.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
And that night we also got really one of a
really good EVP where you just hear this man's voice
say the letter. And I've always wondered if it was
like a suicide note for the guy that killed himself. Oh,
but that seemed like when he when he did that,
it seemed to really generate a lot of activity that night.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Oh yeah, I've heard that too. We'd like to get one.
Well you did that one? Did it come?

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Yeah? It's here.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Oh wow, I can't wait to use that new to.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
It just comes last week.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Okay, all right, sweet, okay, well people already, but we
only have one other investigation this year.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
Yeah, well, done almost for the year.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Then, yeah, then we're done for the year.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I'm kind of slowed down November, December, January. So the
jail is hotter than hell in the summer, yeah, and
it is an ice in the winter. We'd kind of
slowed down in really cold months. I personally don't care.
I'll go whenever, you know, I'll just dress warm. I'd

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rather go when it's cold though, versus when it's hot,
because you can only take off so many clothes.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
You got you can put more on, or too hot
you can take layers off. But yeah, we've been places
where there's been ice on the floor when we've investigated. Yeah,
and that was in March, at the end of March. Yeah,
there was ice on the floor in the basement. But
other than that, we don't travel too far just because

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weathers now. You never know.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Well yeah, yeah, I mean you're like what we are.
It's probably more like you all where I'm like saw
cornfield bean fields. But I if I go due Western Illinois,
same thing. I've been to Iowa University a few times
and it's yeah, it's like being hope and nothing walks,
the wind all the cold just gets here.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
And that's exactly how it is now. If okay, So
I have I have put in the chat the link
for the Fowler Theater. So if anybody's interested in looking
at any events or you know, booking it for a
paranormal investigation, that is in the chat there and we'll

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post it on our social media. But is there any
other places that they can if they want to follow
you or find more information out, you know, social media wise,
or do you have YouTube or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
So I have a YouTube channel, I'm on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok,
and threads. Threads is the new Instagram version of Twitter. Okay,
I see a lot of people joining that.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I have no idea what that is. I am so
not with this with this time. Like I have Twitter
and Instagram and I barely know how to useults half
the time.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
So yeah, I don't think I quit fight. I don't
quite fit the demographic for TikTok. I think I'm a
little too old, but I still put stuff on there.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Oh no, you.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
See all kinds on that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
If you if people just type in my Haunted Fowler
on any of those social media sites, that we're pretty good.
We are pretty consistent as at my Haunted Fowler on
any as a handle, I think. Yeah, because the theater
is a little different, you also follow the theater. We
are on the theaters on Instagram, Twitter, we don't have YouTube.

(52:26):
We're also on Facebook and we post a lot of
stuff for the theater itself. You know, we've had people
come down from the near Michigan for events that we're doing,
so somebody gets a gets excited and wants to drive
a couple hours. We're not that far overall. They can watch,

(52:47):
so we're doing that. A lot of the theaters have
done this. We're doing the Taylor Swift movie.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
And I didn't know that was a big deal and
that tickets were selling. As soon as we posted it.
I was like, okay, it's not my thing.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, not mine either, but teach their own right.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yeah, did you guys do that? And we actually have
a go ahead?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
No, you go ahead.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
I was gonna say we we November.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Fourth, fifth, November fifth, I think it is.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
So there's an independent film that was made and they
used the Valor Theater for parts of their independent films.
We're going to show that at the theater as well.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Awesome. Yeah, yeah, did you guys. Did you guys do
the Barbie did you do anything with Yes?

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Okay, we had Yeah, we had the best Barbie display
every well. Yeah, so if you go to I'll put
it on your I'll put on your Twitter sidey, you'll
get to see me at Barbie boxing too.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I think I think I see it. I can't remember.
I might have seen it, I can't remember. I see
so many things. But that's what clip And like, I know,
I thought I saw something for the bar Thing because
that was a big thing this summer too, you know
the bar Thing. I haven't seen the movie yet, I haven't.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
So what we did.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
There's a husband wife couple that made it, and it's
all with exterior. They had the tail pattern, they cut
it out, they had Barbie cut out on the chicks.
I mean, it's like it is to me, it's one
of the best things I've ever seen. So, you know,
there's not a lot of Barbie reuse. So now we've
been using for other things.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
We made it, we put paw patrol over it.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
But for our Halloween this weekend, we're actually going to
have a It's going to be used as an entrance
to come into the theater.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Get a giant inflatable spider that's going to go over
the top of it.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Got to hide the paint because it doesn't quite Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Yeah, we had a lot of fun with that.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, you got to put it
to use. Somebody's put in the work for it, you
might as well, you know, get more.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Use out of it.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Yeah, So excuse me before we wrap things up. I
just like to thank everybody for listening to us tonight.
We appreciate each and every one of you, and like
to thank our guest twice Needon of the Foller Theater
for joining us tonight. It was a pleasure talking to you.
And make sure you guys go out and you know,

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support your local businesses and you know, help them out.
A lot of these places. We don't want to see
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to keep them around, so you know, go out and
and help them and promote them as much as you can.
And once again, thank you so much for being on.
And we'll make sure that we post your information on

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our social media so you guys can check that out
on there as well. And once again, thank you so
much for being on tonight. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
I appreciate both of you having me. You know, I'm
going to keep following you on Twitter. You guys are
great about sharing my stuff and I really appreciate that
as well.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Oh yeah, absolutely, anytime we like to try to help
people out, you know, they've got things going on and
hopefully get their word out there. So we do what we.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Can, and we're going to have to make a trip
to Indian Yeah, I know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
We like me up.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
You never know.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Well, I'll make sure to be the volunteer that night
that manages that I've got free. I try to I
try to be there when people I get to know.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Oh yeah yeah absolutely, yeah. All right, we'll peace out
everybody and make sure to tune in next Thursday live.
We'll be live eights and Central. So peace out everybody.
Thank you,