Best of: Jeff Belanger

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Speaker 3 (02:04):
All right, welcome everybody to another night of Rip Paranormal
and Friends. We have a special guest tonight. We have
Jeff Is it bill Ander? Did I say it right?

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You did? Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Perfect? I always feel like I'm going to butcher it,
so welcome to the show tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, absolutely so, let's just kind of start off for
some people who may not know who you are, if
you could just give us a little bit of background
on yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, I'm an author. I've written fifteen books on the
paranormal that have been published in six languages. So if
you're in Russia, that's Dania.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
We do. We do have some listeners in Russia every.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Now and then, believe it or not, well they can
get the books one of my books in Russia and
the world's most other places. I also am the founder
of Ghostvillage dot com, which has been around for twenty
years online. I'm the writer and researcher for the Ghosts
Adventure series on the Travel Channel. I've been doing that
since episode one. And I also host a show on

(03:07):
PBS called New England Legends, and I host a weekly
podcast called New England Legends. So I'm pretty much an
all around paranormal guy and I've been doing it for
over twenty years now.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yes, okay, so going into that, how did you get
interested in the paranormal? Because I think we were listening
to one of your like thirty odd minutes and you
did like the listener house, Yeah, and I thought I
heard you say you've only had maybe a couple experiences,
was it just that's true?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
So that's still true.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay, So how did you get interested in it then?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
But yeah, So I grew up in an old New
England town and I had a friend down the street
who said his house was haunted, and I thought that
was really interesting. You know, it was a really old house,
and you know, I conned to sleep over out of
it and would break out the Ouiji board and try
to make contact and stuff like that, and I just thought,
this is awesome, right. It wasn't like a Hollywood ghost story.

(04:03):
It was just someone else lives here with us. And
this is back in the early nineteen eighties, you know,
mid nineteen eighties. You you got to remember, like ghosts
were still in the closet back then, so like not
like today. And I just thought, wow, this is not
like Hollywood. It's just sort of very matter of fact.
And even though I didn't see a ghost back then
as a kid, I didn't think he was lying. And

(04:24):
I also grew up in the town next to Ed
Lorraine Warren, so I've known them since I was like
twelve thirteen years old. I've known them, been to their house,
met Annabelle, like the whole thing, and so I grew
up around them and yeah, so I just kind of
was steeped around it. And I started in all this
as a journalist writing for newspapers. I love the stories,
the history, and I would go writing these feature stories

(04:47):
around October for newspapers and magazines. And then that turned
into my website, ghostfillage dot com back in nineteen ninety nine,
and then I started writing books. And it's just kind
of one thing snowballed into another.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's that's pretty cool. Yeah. Actually, Kim
has one of the books that you wrote with Nick Groth,
the Chasing Spirits. Yeah, right, but I want to borrow
it from her. I gave it to you last week.
I know she gave it to me last week. But
like I said, I'm kind of sick, so I haven't

(05:19):
really had to do it. But excuse me, got brought
the throat all right. So anyways, you have been like
our researcher and things for ghost Adventures. I mean, how
long are you still doing it or yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah still I just turned in an episode the other day. Yeah,
it's been when we started that. It was back in
two thousand and eight. They the documentary, the original documentary
that aired on the Sci Fi Network. I didn't work
on that, but once they got picked up into a
series on travel they Zach reached out and said, hey,
we know, we need someone that knows haunted locations all
over can help us with the history with the witnesses

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and finding locations. And it was just supposed to be
eight episodes, that's all. It was supposed to be way
back in two thousand and eight. So we did and
it was great. It was really interesting to work in television.
And then we got renewed and renewed and renewed, and
then there was spinoff shows like Aftershocks, which I worked on,
and spinoff shows like Paranormal Challenge, and then I've worked

(06:17):
on other television shows too, Like I worked on a
show called Amish Haunting, which is a funny, weird Yeah,
so I was a writer on that too. So like,
it's just one of these things that you know, you
wake up one day and go, wow, this is my job.
Who knew, right? I mean, it's just it's pretty awesome.
So yeah, So no, still going with Ghost Adventures. It's
over two hundred and twenty episodes or something. At this point,

(06:39):
and yeah, it's just been a total juggernaut. But great
to work on and be part of something that big, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Absolutely, And then I mean then on top of that,
you do your you go to all those libraries too, right,
didn't you just wrap that up?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah? So I do a story tour every year. I
usually do, like well, I also speak at conferences and
things like that. It's actually my favorite thing to do
because when you're a writer, you don't get to sit
in people's laps when they read the book and you
go like, oh, did you like this paragraph or did
you like that paragraph? You know, and when you work
on a television show, you generally don't get to sit

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in the living room with people while they watch it
and say, well, would you like this? Did you like that?
So when you tell stories in front of a live audience,
when you're connecting with them, you see them lean in,
you get the body language, you get the immediate feedback.
It's amazing because that's how these stories started, right when
we were talking about hauntings and strange phenomena, Like it
all began like sitting around a fire and telling each

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other these really profound stories that kind of bind us
to each other, but also to where we are and
to our history. And so I love that. So yeah,
I do that at colleges, universities, libraries, corporations like wherever
they'll have me. And I usually do like fifty to
sixty speaking gigs a year.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Oh wow, I couldn't do that. Couldn't do that. I
would freeze. I am way too shy for that. There's
no way that was like my worst thing in school
was like speech.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Well so, but the funny thing is, like I guess,
I mean, I've been a performer for my whole life.
You know, play instruments and stuff like that, and there's
something really magical that happens when you go on a
stage in front of people. There's there's an energy to
the room and and this is I mean this this
taps into a lot of like what we do with

(08:30):
paranormal research too, right, Like there's a unique thing that
happens in every and And you can think about performances
you've been to, right musicians, plays, uh, speakers, bands, whatever,
right like stuff you've been in the audience for. There's
a there's a two way streak there. There's this like
energetic transfer that happens. And as a performer, it's crazy

(08:53):
because like you can go out there one night and
just kill it, right, you tell these stories and everybody's
right there on the edge of the seat and you're
just like, oh, they're eating out your hand. It's amazing.
It's magical. And you go the next night to another
town on the tour and you go out there and
you're just like, oh, man, these people are dead, like
there's nothing going you know. I'm like, last night, I
killed him with this and this is like the same

(09:15):
show I did last night. In another town, I'm like,
come on, work with me. But but there's a different
thing happening. And I've noticed that on paranormal investigations we've done,
you know, God, we've led investigations all over and we'll
do these events where we bring in different groups like
every hour, you know, so like I'd stay put in
one location and then a different group comes in every hour,

(09:35):
and with one group, like it's just weird. There's strange
noises and sounds and someone got touched over there and
the room's just popping. And then you're like that's amazing.
And the next group comes in for the next hour
and you're like, folks, hold on to your hats like
it's it's off the charts, and then it's it's nothing,
it's flat. And and so you say, huh, the only
thing that's changed is you, you know, I mean new people

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come in. And I truly believe that every human being
is like an ingredient in a stew or a gumbo,
you know. And so when you when certain ingredients or
people are lined up correctly, things happen a certain way.
And and with other ingredients, you know, the stew just
doesn't taste too good. You just kind of want to

(10:23):
throw it out and try again.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you on that.
We do have a question in chat from Darren. He
wants to know if you go on investigations alone.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
You mean, without like just myself or without ghost to
bel Yeah, so what I will. But when I say investigation,
like only very high level if I'm going alone, because
if if I'm really going to get into it, I
think three is kind of a magical number. One is

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a bad idea because like I like to go to
like scary places, and if I fall and break an ankle,
if nothing else, there's no one to drag my butt
out right like, so, so there's that. And also for
validation if you do see something. If I'm looking down
down the hallway and I see a man standing there,
I need to be able to say to someone next
to me, do you see it too, right? And and

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if they do see it, well, then okay, obviously something's
there we're both seeing. And if they say, no, man,
I don't even know what you're talking about, then all right,
maybe maybe I'm confused or maybe something else is going on.
So so yes, if it's like a high level like
scout kind of thing, sure, I'll go alone quite often
because you know, just because I keep weird hours. So

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but if we're really going to get in there and
try to figure out what's going on, then yeah, I
like I like three sometimes four people, but nothing too big.
I think a low number is ideal.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah I agree too. Are groups of up four?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
We have usually four, so yeah, yes that's a good
And you can control four people, you know, like you
could say, like everybody shut up for like two minutes
while we try something like literally say nothing and be
silent and don't move. Once you get to like six, eight,
ten people, it's oh I'm getting a phone call. I
got to take this. See like I'm really you know it?

(12:21):
So yeah, it gets it gets tricky to do that
and uh but yeah, no, for it's good. My Paranormal
Research team has never lost a member and over twenty
years of doing this, that's good. It's incredible. It's a
world record. But also we've never gained a member either,
So there's that because it's just me. I'm the only
one in my group and I've but at the same time,

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there's a lot of infighting, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah. We do have another question from Rebecca, which she
is a big fan of yours. She says, Rebecca, yep,
she wants to know what your favorite New England legend is.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Oh my god, that's like what's your favorite kid? Except
I've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of children, so gosh.
So every week I do this podcast called New England
Legends where we just do this short story like scripted.
You know, We've got voice actors and sound effects and music.
And I've been doing it now for almost two and

(13:25):
a half years and i haven't missed a week and
one hundred and eighteen consecutive weeks and it's been awesome.
And what's great is we've got this community of people
where we're getting emails and texts all the time of like,
hey have you heard about this story, and then like
we've got something else to look into, which is really cool.
Like this whole community is building around looking for these
weird stories in New England and these stories are everywhere,

(13:47):
by the way, Like you know, I just happen to
live in New England, so it's more convenient for me
to get around here than it is to be, you know,
getting on an airplane all the time. So anyway, favorite story,
the one I keep coming back to for Like, my
current favorite is the story of Rhode Island founder Roger Williams,
who was eaten by an apple tree.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh yeah, I read something about that.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah though it really happened, Like it's funny, And I've
personally seen the tree root that did it because it's
on display at the Rhode Island Historical Society, and I've
read the newspaper accounts. In fact, on our podcast, we
had a voice actor read the you know, eighteen sixty

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newspaper account of when they dug up Roger Williams because
they wanted to give him a better grave. He was
just in this family plot and providence, Rhode Island, and
they dig him up, and they opened his casket, and
an apple tree's roots had grown into the casket and
down the length of his body and more or less
sucked up the juices of his one hundred year old corpse,
right and turned it into nutrients, which it, by the way,

(14:55):
is what every single tree on earth does. Right. Animals
die in the ground and then their nutrients go into
the soil and the tree sucks them up and turns
it into stuff. Right. Yes, so the trees just doing
what trees do, except eight Roger Williams, the founder of
Rhode Island. And so the voice actor that we used
to read this newspaper account was Tim Wiseberg, who was

(15:17):
your guest last week. Yes, so anyway, that's Tim's claim
to fame for New England legends, and just to tie
it back to what you guys just did. So it's
fun having so many like radio friends because when I
need like a voice actor, I can just call upon
so many radio people and I'll be like Tim, I
need you to read a story from eighteen sixty. You know,

(15:38):
He's like I got it, and of course he has
all the equipment, so he just sends you back an
MP three file and it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's cool. Oh man, Okay, so let's
see here we have another question. Darren would like to
know what's your favorite case on Ghost Adventures.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
That's hard too because there's been so many, But there
was one that we worked on early. I think it
was season two or three, and it's a place called
the Penhurst School right outside of Philadelphia, out there in Pennsylvania.
And this was one of those cases when we started
working on it, when I'm told like, Okay, this is

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where we're going. I start digging into everything I can
find out about the history and what happened there and
stuff like that, and so I'm like, okay, and abandon asylum,
I know what to do. Right, Like, we've done a
few of these now, and I'm not saying they're all alike,
because they're not. However, there are certain things that are
very similar between an abandoned asylum in Iowa and an
abandoned asylum in New York and Michigan and all of it, right, Like,

(16:44):
the stories are similar. So I start working on Penhurst
and then I learned that there is a federal law
called the Penhurst Law, and it has to do with
how you can and can't treat people with mental disabilities
because of atrocities that took inside these buildings in the
nineteen seventies, nineteen seventies, like as in like you know,

(17:08):
forty years ago. So yeah, and so you went, WHOA,
wait a minute, you assume atrocities took place one hundred
years ago, one hundred and fifty years ago. So I
started doing some more digging, and it turns out that
the conditions in there were so bad some patients were
kept in dog cannels, like locked up so they couldn't
hurt themselves or anybody else. I spoke to a nurse

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who said when she first started, there was a row
of beds, like a hundred beds where people had just
such profound disabilities they can't get out of bed. And
her job with another nurse was to change adult diapers,
and they would start at one end and just go
until they got to the other end at one hundred people.
And by the time they were done, it's pretty much
time to go back to the beginning and start again.

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And some of those patients would rub feces in their
hair and on their skin, not because they're monsters, but
because they knew they would get a bath, and that
meant human touch and contact and interaction that they would
not get otherwise. And so I spoke to a patient
who said, if you bit someone more than once, they
removed all your teeth. And they would tell people, they

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would say, you know, listen, when you dropped your love
run off here. Don't write to them, don't call, don't
come and visit. It's going to mess up their routine.
Where the professionals, they're in good hands with us. Just
leave it to us. So people were trusting their loved
ones to this facility that was underfunded, understaffed, and these horrible,
horrible things happened there, and it got shut down in

(18:36):
the nineteen eighties and so, and there was also the
de institutionalization that that President Reagan implemented would shut down
pretty much all those facilities nationwide, which was a terrible thing,
terrible still a terrible thing to this day. We've never
recovered from that. I mean, our homeless population, things like that,
our prison population, we've never never recovered from that moment anyway.

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So that's the backstory and suddenly you go, wait, this
isn't just another asylum. This is a place where even
worse stuff happened. And I remember we were there filming,
and we were there for like five minutes and went
down into one of the tunnels that connect some of
the buildings underground, not even filming it, no cameras out, nothing,
And I was with Zach and Dave Schrader radio guy

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and stuff, and so anyway, so we're down there and
we hear this like faint giggle way way in the distance,
and then this rush of cold air just whoa right by.
And we looked at each other and I was just like,
oh man, it's like this building wants to talk. It's
like I've been waiting for someone to come tell my story.
I'm glad you're here. Like that's the sense I got,

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you know. And so that episode, that location, I felt
like when it came out, there are certain people that
get offended by the notion that places like that are haunted,
right because because they're running off the concept that maybe
a ghost is this earth bound spirit that can't get away,
and these poor souls have already been through enough. How

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dare you imply that I don't think that's always the case.
In fact, I think it's rarely the case. And I
think sometimes a place is haunted because it should be haunted,
and Penhurst is one of them. And if our ghost
show can hold up a mirror to America and say, hey,
you lived in a country, if you were alive in
the nineteen seventies, you lived in a country where you

(20:24):
allowed this to happen. Right, You didn't take care of
the least of our people, Right, you didn't. You allowed it,
And we can't do that again. Let this haunt you,
let it not happen again. And I think that's one
of the many, many ways that ghosts serve us. And
that was felt that that episode, that location just felt
like more important than others. Not that I mean, they're

(20:48):
all important in various ways, but that one just felt significant.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Oh yeah, wow, Okay, We've got a couple more questions
in here. If you come across a full body apparition,
who would you want it to be? And what would
you say?

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Wow? But I mean because like you could go X
rated with that answer easily, right, Like you could like
that's and I and I will admit that was my
first thought, Like hey, now, But then I said, well, no,
I should I should say like Lincoln, right, I should
say a B Lincoln and be like, so, how do
you think it's going. Right, I'm told you're still very

(21:35):
actively haunting the White House and have been since like
eighteen sixties. So any comments, I'd be interested to talk
to him. I think, gosh, yeah, Lincoln, like he's It's
funny because like in American history, he's more than an icon,
you know what I mean. He's he's almost to like

(21:57):
deity status in American history. He's he's one of those
people we can all agree on in a time when
we can agree on nothing, right. We can't even agree
that vanilla tastes like vanilla, right, like it's just, but
we can agree that, like all right, Lincoln was the greatest,
no question, yes. And the thing about it, right is

(22:17):
he's such a benchmark because that was the most difficult
presidency by far, bar none. There's no close second, right,
there's no one even You're not even in the same sport, right,
forget the ballpark, you're not even in the same league.
You know, his son died while he was in the
White House and tore his family apart. The nations. It
wore with itself. It's literally tearing the nation apart, thousands

(22:40):
upon thousands dying all the time. And of course he
paid the ultimate price for the office. He was assassinated.
And I think that's that's one of those figures in
American history where you say, man, I would really like
to talk to you, although I'd be pretty interested to
talk to Jesus too, because again, like I think my
first question of how do you think it's going, Let's

(23:05):
flip through some of these Bible Network TV channels and
let's let's talk about that. What do you think of
the faith healer? Guy? Huh, he's pretty cool. How what
do you think? Huh, it's pretty cool? Right? What have
you done? That'd be a fun conversation. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Rebecca says she'd pick Lincoln as well.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Let's see here, Yeah, we could all hang out. I
think I picture him a beer drinker. Do you think
I'm wrong?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
What?

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I picture Lincoln being like a beer drinker? Like, like
you'd have a beer, I like a big maybe some yeah,
maybe some wings, right, like some wings and beer would
be like get down on that. Yeah, it'd be in
his beard, right, like the wings and like the blue
cheese would be in his beard, but he wouldn't care.
He wouldn't even cared. Be like, I'm made. I'm abe Lincoln, dude,

(24:01):
I'm on your money. I want like I'm gonna wipe
this with a five dollar bill, son, like whatever, that's
gonna stay there till I want it gone. I don't
you want a selfie? I don't care the wing sauce
stays in the beard. I'm in.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Excuse me, you gonna make me start? Okay, we have
another question here. I'm starting to get my sexy party
boys here. If you had a chance to buy a
haunted house or location anywhere, what would it be and why?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, that's a good question. I've joked that. So the
house I live in now is not haunted at all,
which is great. Like I do this all day long.
I need a break, you know, So like I'm I'm
I'm totally cool with my house not being haunted. I
was recently at the Conjuring House in Rhode Island. I've

(25:00):
been there a few times now because I only live
about forty five minutes away from it, and we filmed
Ghost Adventures the Halloween special there and I did my
Halloween podcast there, we actually went room to room with
audio and and kind of did like an audio tour
of the house. I think it's great. I wouldn't want
to own it. And I went to college in Long Island,

(25:21):
and my very my freshman year first week, I remember
someone saying like, oh, I'm where you're from. He goes, oh,
I live in Amityville, and I went, oh, that's crazy.
He said, yeah, do you want to go see the house.
I'm like, yes, of course, I want to go see
the house. So, you know, you drive by the Amityville
house there on on Ocean Avenue and I look at
that house and I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't want to

(25:41):
own that either. Six people were murdered in there, like
that's like, that's yeah, you know what. I'm happy to
visit these places. I don't want to own one. I'm
perfectly cool with my like my object my objectivity remains intact,
not necessarily having a horse in the race, you know.
So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't want to own one, but

(26:03):
but totally stoked to go visit them.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah. Same here. I mean, I'm glad that my house
isn't on it the one I grew up in folks
for Yeah, the one I grew up in. That's another story.
We go over there testing equipment when they're out, when
they're not home.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
When your parents are not home.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, they don't mind, just're not there.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, yeah, turn the hearing aid down, Dad, do an EVP.
So I always wondered. I always picture, like, imagine like
an old folks home for paranormal investigators when we're all
like in our eighties and in wheelchairs and stuff, you know. Yeah,
and because you know, you know, the awkward thing would
be like, oh, Mary Lou died. How are you get

(26:47):
in there with the EMF meters in the audio recorders
before they take the body?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Right?

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Like, don't take her yet, Mary Lou? Can you hear us?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Right?

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Like? Ah, I hate you. All The pudding here sucks,
you know, I could just there's just I went to
a funeral once for a Salem witch, which was amazing, Salem, Massachusetts.
This guy was like one of the high priest of Salem,

(27:16):
I forget what he called himself. Colorful character, you know,
great guy. And he passed away untimely of an illness.
But we went to the funeral, which was held in
a funeral parlor, and I want you to picture any
funeral parlor you've ever been in in your life. That's
pretty much what it looked like, right. Like it's like
standard funeral parlor, except in the casket is this guy

(27:39):
totally dressed in black and there's a human skull being
carried around, and there's like all these people dressed in
this witchy garb and they're reading from his grimoire and
all this other stuff. And I went with another friend
of mine who also happens to be a paranormal investigator,
and I said, you know, I dare you to bring
your EMF meter to this funeral. And it's getting kind
of quiet, and he turns on you know, the cells

(28:00):
sell sensor one that's like and I turn over and
he's grinning and he holds out his hand and I
reach into my wallet and I give him the money
because I bets a bet. Homeboy goes up to kneel
down in front of the casket. Uh, and it looks
like he's praying, but I know he's got his audio
recorder in one of his fists and uh. And the

(28:22):
best part about all this, this all sounds very crass,
I know, but all I'm saying is you got to
trust me if you if you knew all the people involved,
the guy that was in the casket would have thought
that was cooler than anybody else in the room. He
would have been like, oh, yes, please right, like put
the EMF meter right on my chest, like it's totally
cool that you're doing this. He was just that kind

(28:43):
of guy. But that was like the coolest funeral I've
ever been to. They should all be like that.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, they should be oh my gosh, yeah, that would
have been cool. And let's see, we have another question here,
kind of a this is a little bit different, but
what are your views on site?

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I knew you were going to ask that.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
We didn't they did the chat.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
The chat, Yeah, I knew they were going to chat
that I must be. So it's tough because I can't relate, right,
And so I recognize that if someone says, Jeff, there's
a little girl in a red dress standing behind you
right now in this haunted building, I'll turn around and

(29:28):
I'll look. I will, But if I don't see the
little girl in the red dress, we're at an impasse. Right.
I'm not going to call you a liar, but I'm
also not going to believe you, right like, that's just
where we're at, and we're going to have to just
agree to disagree the Yet let me also say that
I recognize we all have intuition, we all have gut feelings,

(29:51):
and and we ignore those at our peril. So I've
walked into buildings on the rare occasion, but once in
a blue moon, I will walk into a building and
I'll go, oh my god, it feels electric in here.
It feels like there's people in here that I can't see.
Very rarely happens because I consider myself as psychic as
a fence post. But but I recognize that what I'm sensing,

(30:15):
if you wanted to label that psychic, okay, fair enough,
right Like, that's that's as fine a label as any other.
So yeah, So so for the most part. And then
the other thing too is that man, they can cloud
the waters sometimes because they don't ever have to justify anything. Oh,
I'm saying, you know, Lizzie Borden's father raped her right like,

(30:36):
and psychics have said that, and we don't have anything
to know that that's true or not. Yet you've just
really slandered a person who may be innocent, and that's
quite a thing to lay on someone. So the Conjuring House, right,
did you see the movie The Conjuring yep, so in
the movie spoilers whatever, it's the old movie. You should

(30:58):
have seen it by now. So the uh, Bathsheba is
the monster, the witch, the demon right in the movie,
who murdered children in that house and now she's trying
to get the mother to murder her children. Like that's
that's the movie. The movie, the movie Lorraine Warren when
she was in that house way back when, nineteen seventy three.

(31:20):
I guess she's psychically got this name Bathsheba out of
the ethers or whatever. Bathsheba is not an uncommon old
fashioned name, but that's the name she got. In the
center of town, there's a cemetery and Bathsheba Sherman, who
really did live in that town, is buried there. And
for like one hundred and twenty years that woman rested

(31:40):
in peace, and then suddenly because of the movie, she's
a villain. And you can google and you can figure out, oh,
Bathsheba Sherman, she's a real person, and she really did
murder kids in that house. She didn't I don't even
know if she's ever been in that house, let alone
murdered anybody. And I've read all the newspaper accounts. No
child died in her care as far as I've seen, like,

(32:01):
none of it's true. And yet because of that movie,
people go to the cemetery in the center of town
and they've kicked her headstone over so many times that
the local yeah, the local historical Society's gathered it up
and it's now in hiding so it doesn't get destroyed anymore.
And so again you've got an innocent person who's been
dragged through the mud by a psychic who I believe

(32:24):
was like ninety nine point nine percent wrong, like straight
up wrong. And I say that about yeah, Lorraine Orn
I'm saying it, and I knew her. I've called me
honey all the time, sweet lady, but wrong. You know
I'm wrong in that case anyway. And so if you
don't know, if you're one hundred percent right, I don't know.
I'm of the opinion maybe you just don't say anything.

(32:45):
And so that's the part I really struggle with with psychics.
When you're going to start dragging people's names through the mud,
who can't defend themselves who may have may not have
had anything to do the thing you're saying, and then
you get to justify it like, well that's what the
spirits told me. I'm like, really, well, the history books,
the newspaper accounts, the journals and the you know, the

(33:06):
the extensive research doesn't agree with you. So right now?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
What? Right? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
You guys got to stop smoking. They don't know, but
I can see you on video. Huh. They don't know
because they can't see the video, but I could see
you guys on video. They're like ripping butts left and
right through this thing.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Man. I am, I am really just yep. I've been
through two packs already, just sitting here for the last
thirty minutes.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Well done, excuse me.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Okay, we have a couple more questions here, sure from Darren.
He wants to know do you have some new ideas
for ghost adventures?

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And do you believe in holy water or is it
just water?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Oh? So okay, that that I can answer. There's always
new ideas, oh my god. Just to answer the first part,
there's always new ideas, right, There's always a new angle
to take a new thing to uncover on every story ever,
so that I don't lose any sleep over that holy water.
I don't know why, but point does it burn when

(34:19):
it hits my skin. It just burns and burns, and
I just it's like acid when it gets flung at me,
just like I just run away, hiding because it hurts
so bad. The thing about holy water is if you
believe in it, it works. And that's true of any
spiritual symbol right like when a Christian wears a cross

(34:42):
around their neck. It's just the letter T. It's all
it is unless you believe in it, unless you believe
in something much bigger than that that symbolizes, and so on,
and it might protect you, it might give you strength
all kinds of things. Then it has power, right or
a pentacle or a crescent and a star or star
of David. Whatever that thing is that you believe in
holy water, I think is the same thing. Now when

(35:05):
you see some of the TV shows and stuff, and
they go at it from like a very Catholic actually
not even Christian, but Catholic perspective, when they start flinging
holy water and things like that in the location trying
to get the evil demons out I always thought like,
what if the joke, what if the ghost is Jewish?
Like like, well, what is this? What's with the water? Hey,

(35:27):
you know, bring me some latkos or something like, you know,
it's it's I'm like, I mean if someone were walked
into the think about you, right if right now someone
walked into your room where you are and start of
throwing holy water at you, would you be like what
are you doing? Right? Yeah? Step off? Like you know,

(35:50):
you got beer? Like like, I mean right, Like, if
you throw a beer at me, I'll try to catch it,
right Like that's uh so. So, but what's happening when
you're using holy water or holy symbols or whatever, you
are trusting that your faith is going to protect you
and vanquish whatever happens to be there, I think. And

(36:12):
the funny thing too, is when when people come in
and if you're dealing with a family that's not your own,
ask them what their religious leanings are, because if they're
not Christian or Catholic and you're coming in with holy water, well,
I don't know, it's it's just seems like it's like
trying to bang a nail in the wall with like
the end of a screwdriver. I mean, you can, but

(36:33):
it's not the right tool for the job, right, you
know what I mean. It's not going to work the
way it's supposed to. That's not what that tool is for.
So anyway, you know, the right tool for the right job,
I think is a good thing to keep in mind.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yes, okay, we have a question from Rebecca. She wants
to know what was your most exciting project to research.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Oh wow, So I years ago I wrote a book
called Communicating with the Dead, and it was about all
the various methods and means that people use to try
to communicate with spirits, so like the history of the
Ouiji board and dowsing rods and runestones and tarot cards

(37:19):
and all kinds of very esoteric tools, but also like
EVP and instrumental transcommunication and ITC and things like that.
And while I was working on that, I stumbled across
a bunch of writing by Thomas Edison about his forays
into spirit communication. And it was really interesting because I

(37:41):
found this book called The Diary and Sundry Observations of
Thomas Alva Edison. And I'm a book guy, so I've
got the first edition and I got it on eBay
years ago whatever. So I get the book and I'm like, oh,
his writing on spirit communication was supposed to be in here,
but it's not in here. And so I was like, oh, man,

(38:03):
So then let's say the book had like one hundred
and eighty pages in it, and I went, well, that's
that's weird. And then I went on eBay again and
I found another first edition that had two hundred and
forty pages sixty pages longer, right, So I bought that
one too. They weren't terribly expensive, they were just you know,
I just wanted to have copies of them. And then

(38:23):
that one arrived, and all sixty pages were about spirit
communication and all of his essays and thoughts on it
and the devices he was trying to build and claimed
he was actively testing with colleagues who had recently passed away.
Both of them called first editions, and so I looked
at it. Yeah, right, like this can't be right. That's

(38:44):
not how books work. There's only one first edition. So
so anyways, so I'm looking into this. Now. You got
to keep in mind, Thomas Edison is like one of
the founders of General Electric Company, like you know, and
at the time this book came out in the early
nineteen forties, like is a household name, and it's been
a household name right up until a few years ago

(39:05):
when it just like it's stock turned into like a
penny stock. But so, so what happened was the book
came out and it was such an embarrassment to ge
and the family that they sort of insisted that everything
get removed, and so whatever got out there and was
sold was sold, and the rest were either destroyed or whatever,
and they put out this new first edition that had

(39:26):
all that stuff stripped out. I owned both copies, which
is awesome. So I was blown away because and I
talked to like some Edison scholars in the Edison Museum,
both the one in Ohio and the one in New Jersey,
and I said, look, it's not like he said a
passing comment about this. He wrote about it again and
again and again, like pages and pages of stuff, and

(39:47):
when he's just what he described sounds almost like a telegraph, right,
So the telegraph is the thing that pulled this guy
into science in the first place, Like he wanted to
know how the telegraph worked when he was a small child.
He loved the idea that someone could hit a button here,
and hundreds of miles away, the signal goes all the

(40:08):
way through these wires, this invisible signal, and it gets
set off somewhere else. He thought that this is amazing,
and so he developed the way he described it. It
sounds like a telegraph for the dead, except it takes
so little energy to manipulate this. Just you know, he's
assuming that in the next life you don't have a
lot of energy like you do now to just push something.

(40:29):
So anyway, I still think something could be out there,
something that would blow our minds that Edison was working on,
whether it's plans, like detailed like schematics or whatever of
stuff he was working on, or maybe even like a
prototype or an actual like working model of something that

(40:52):
he built. And I just I just think it's either
locked away or it's or it's in someone's collection and
they don't know what it is. And so that's one
of those things. It's like this project in the back
of my mind that keep meaning to get to, like,
you know, but but when am I going to have
the time to go to New Jersey for like two
weeks and dig through all the archives and you know,
it's just one of those things that I just keep

(41:13):
thinking like, yeah, one day, one day, I'm going to
get to that.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, that would be very interesting because I mean I
don't know, I mean it would be interesting to see.
I mean maybe he does have something hidden away, and
that would be pretty cool to actually.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Well, the thing is like he wouldn't have done the
hiding right, so so so yeah, when he was working
on it, however, he worked whatever he put his stuff,
so when he passed away, someone either took that or
or hit it or something. Right, And so is there
a trail we can follow, I guess is the big question.

(41:49):
But I love the way Edison. Edison was a true
person of science because, like I said, the telegraph and
in his book, which is a great book about his views,
he's said he didn't know how the telegraph worked, and
he asked an old Scottish lineman how does this thing work?
And the lineman explained it to them. Well, imagine a

(42:11):
dog that whose head is in London and whose tail
is in Edinburgh, Scotland, right, yeah, and if you pull
the tail in Scotland, he's gonna bark in London. And
so Edison was like, I get it. I get that Okay,
that makes sense to me. It's just it's just scale, right,
I totally get that. So he looked at everything and said, like,

(42:35):
it's just it's just a question of science. How can
we solve it? And I think he looked at the
idea of life after death and spirits and ghosts and
spirit communication the same way that he looked at the
telegraph or anything else, like, Okay, how does it work?
How can we make it work? And and today it's
too bad that like some of our best minds don't
they don't look at this subject because it had pretty

(42:57):
much trashed their careers. Yeah, and that's that's kind of
a shame that it's sort of left to the rest
of us. But man, I just I kind of feel
like if you could find that that validation from Edison
to be like, look Edison looked into it, It's okay
if you do too, you know. Yeah, I feel like
there's his name has got enough gravitas to it that

(43:18):
people might might get behind something like that, or at
least explored more.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Let's see, Rebecca thought maybe there was like a record
player thing in the Edison museum.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yeah, well he's got the phonograph, right, I mean he
invented the Yeah, he invented the phonograph. He was the
Edison was the guy that invented the first He did
not invent the first recording device, but he did invent
the first recording device that could also play back the phonograph.
And so yeah, who I mean, who knows? Who knows?

(43:49):
Maybe he was getting EVPs back then, right, Mary had
a little lamb and then play play a pack like
for us get out. Mary had a little lamb, get out.
Oh oh, let's see here.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Okay, this is kind of a long question here. Let's
see here. So on a regular house haunting, you do
all the necessary necessary searching on the land and history
of the location. Do you think a log cabin haunting
would be more aggressive? Seems how it's made from earth materials.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
I don't know. I haven't I haven't found like any
steadfast rules on this, you know what I mean? Like,
you know, shoot, there's brand new constructions that are haunted,
you know, And you say, and then you can just
go like, oh, Indian burial ground, Like I know, it's
all Indian barrel ground the whole United States. But uh,
I think I don't know, right, And not only that,

(44:57):
the building is just one piece of the equation. The
humans that visit or live in the building are the
other piece. Right, that's the ingredient in the stew And
again to go back to the Ambityville house, right, So
when the Lutz family lived there, it was profoundly bad
according to the Lutz family. And I did the last
interview with George Lutz. He's the guy that you know,

(45:18):
his story was made into all the books and movies,
and I interviewed them extensively for one of my books,
Are Haunted Lives and so and I know, I know
Chris Lutz who was he was a kid at the
time living in the house, and he talked about what happened.
So something happened in that house and the family left
after just four weeks according to them. However, another family

(45:41):
moved in after them and lived there for years and
years without a problem. And so maybe just maybe you know,
like that house is haunted. Six people were murdered in it.
No question like that happened, because the guy that did
it is still in jail. And so a certain family
moves in and doesn't see it, it ignores it. It's

(46:02):
not compatible. And so it's just not active, a more
sensitive family moves in and it's the scariest place on earth,
you know. So I don't know if if log cabin
or a stone you know, building or whatever makes all
that much of a difference, because shoot, we found cases where, look,

(46:22):
a building could be completely torn down and rebuilt from
the ground up and it still seems to be haunted
even though like ninety five percent of the building materials
are brand new, but sitting on the footprint of the
old building.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
I mean, like, I don't know. I really think ghosts
have way more to do with living people than dead ones, right,
because we a ghost doesn't exist in a vacuum. There's
no ghost without a human witness. And that includes you. Like,
if you want to just put in video cameras and
then like leave the building, you're still there by proxy, right,

(46:58):
You're still You're still in the equation via the video camera.
So so yeah, I don't I don't know if yeah,
I wouldn't say that a log happened would be more
or less haunted than anything else. It's it's all depends
on this situation that ghosts the people and everything else.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Okay, let's see here, we got a couple more here,
what's the one object in the world that you never
want to be haunted?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
A toilet plunger.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I haven't heard that one yet. He asked that pretty
much every show.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Now that now that I've had time to really think
that answer through, I'm sticking with toilet plunger because you
when you need a toilet plunger, that's an emergency and
I don't need it to be haunted like right because
I need it right now before the water comes up
and over and starts making a mess. So yeah, I
am sticking steadfast with that answer.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
That is a good one. That is a good one.
And then what's your favorite Ed Lorraine Warren story.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
So there's this little cemetery in Easton, Connecticut called Union Cemetery.
And when I was growing up, and this is the
town next to Monroe, Connecticut, which is where they lived
most of their lives, and two towns away from where
I grew up. And so I remember as a kid
hearing about the White Lady of Easton, and she's this white,

(48:34):
wispy apparition that's been seen in the cemetery and along
the road leading up to the cemetery. Everybody it's one
of those stories that like kind of everybody knew, and
Ed Warren told me that, you know, he'd gone and
looked into it plenty of times, and and so he
was telling me about, like, you know, investigating this thing.

(48:57):
So one night he goes out there and he sets
up a video camera right at the entrance of the
of the cemetery. And I was watching the video and
this like apparition forms like into this this human like shape.
I would even go so far as to call it feminine,
but you couldn't really make out any features, but like

(49:19):
it sort of looks feminine, and it's moving around the headstones,
coming toward the camera. This like black stuff comes up
from the ground sucks it down into the ground, and
then the whole thing was over. Wow. And I was
I watched the video like several times and I went, Man,
if like Spielberg didn't help you with this video, then

(49:40):
then I don't know. If that's not a ghost, then
I don't I don't know, Like I mean, because you know,
like with any paranormal person, sometimes they show you videos
or pictures and they go see you can see a
face in that orb and I usually go, I, okay,
I don't see it like, I don't. I see what
you're saying, but I'm not ready to say that's a face.

(50:01):
With this video though, I was like, yep, that's a ghost. Okay,
that would be my expert opinion on that one. And uh,
and so that one, I think. I love the fact
that he just had the patience to sit out there
and just roll tape and and see if he could

(50:21):
see her, and that one night he did it was
it was amazing. And I also thought they told the
annabel story quite well. You know, if you've seen the
movie the Annabel doll in the movies, yeah, it's freaky
as I'll get out. The real Annabelle is a raggedy
ann which which to me was twice as scary because
my sister had the same exact doll and growing up.

(50:45):
And so I mean, I've I've stood right in front
of that little cabinet that says do not touch, and
I've seen her and they tell the story and it's
funny because it gives it power.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Now.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
I'm not a I'm actually not a very superstitious person.
If you said, do you want to hold the doll?
Actually would have I would have. I would have. Yeah, whatever,
you know. I mean, although like if anything bad happened,
like I could get a paper cut the next day
and I'd be like, oh my god, that's Annabelle. Right,
Like I drop a coffee mug the next morning it
shatters on the floor. Oh right, like something's afoot. So anyway, yeah,

(51:21):
it was, Yeah, it's it's one of those things that
but but I thought that that they were. He was
especially a gifted storyteller and really made you, really drew
you into the cases that they worked on, and I
think that was that was one of their gifts.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, that would be amazing to see that I still
had my raggedy and all that I grew up with.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Why don't you just truck her around and claim that
she's Annabelle? Yeah, you can make some money with her. Finally, yeah,
someone else is out there doing it. I forget who,
but like, uh, yeah, there's someone that was going paranormal
conferences with a raggedy hand all in a in a
like like a glass case and saying like yeah I

(52:07):
got this from from a relative, and like they don't
they're just they're just frauds, right, But.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
I like John, I I couldn't do that to him.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Oh, John's appis Yeah, I couldn't do that to him.
It's fine. I knew John when he had hair, Like
that's how long I've known that guy, Like it was
a million years ago. It was so funny, like we were,
you know, very.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
When we met him up in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I know. It's it's
an interesting community, like especially when you've been I've been
a part of it for decades now, and you just
kind of get to know everybody that's that's doing this,
and and I think it's it's cool that people kind
of step off the beaten path and say, like, I'm
going to try to figure this out. I'm going to

(52:56):
try to pursue this and and see where it leads
me wherever that may be. I think it's it's kind
of cool. I respect that in people.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
See do were I was just looking, let's see, no
more questions, but I do. I want to talk about
a little bit about that beer Bottle church.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I listened to that the other night, and I just
I thought that was very interesting. But I also loved
your guys's little singing at the end.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna be big, We're gonna go on
the road with that, I know.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
That's what I told Kim. I'm like, they should go
on the road.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
It was actually too.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Bad, I know.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
So like, well, Ray Ray is my co host in
in the podcast. Ray is he's not only a morning DJ,
but he's also in like five bands. He's a singer
and he's good, like I mean, like legit good.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
So, and I've been playing guitar for years and so
we've actually done a few musical interludes over the years,
but that one just seemed to fit.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
So.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
The beer Bottle Church is in ham and Falls, New Hampshire,
and it's one of these things where all we have
a Google text number where people can text us stuff
whatever they want. And someone's like, hey, have you heard
a beer bottle Church? And I'm like, Ray, beer Bottle Church,
Like that is so up our alley. That's all I knew.
That's like all I knew is there's a place called

(54:18):
beer Bottle Church in Hampton Falls, New Hampshire. That's it.
That's the all of it. And I'm like, we're on
our way, right, Like this is our kind of church.
We should probably be priests in this church, probably archbishops.
I guess by this point. And so we go there
and it's this pretty white New England church. It looks

(54:39):
like any church you've ever seen in New England, you know,
like the tall white steeple and all that. It's the
first Baptist church. And at the top you look and
you're like, dude, that is a beer bottle. It's this
little white ornament at the very top of the spire
and it looks exactly like a beer bottle. And so
below it there's a clock that says stead of numbers,

(55:00):
you know, one through twelve, it says Memorial Gift. And
so the whole church has got these these funny legends
around it. And if Baptists are generally have a funny
relationship with alcohol, right, I don't mean to stereotype all Baptists,
I mean whatever, Right, But but there's you know, there's
there's a joke, right, if you go fishing with a Baptist,
you have to bring two of them because if you

(55:21):
bring one, he'll drink all your beer. Yeah, so the
other one, you know, kind of keeps them honest. So
uh and so uh. And a good dear friend of
mine from high schools a Baptist minister, and I said,
I ran that joke by him before I told it,
like in the episode and stuff. And I said, what's

(55:42):
what's up with like, you know, Baptists and Booze? I said, listen,
I abstain all you want. It's more for me, like
I have no issue with people not drinking. It's fine.
But he said, yeah, no, He's like, there's definitely a
funny relationship there. So the irony of having a beer
bottle on top of your church would be, you know,
quite something. So anyway, we do break into song. We

(56:02):
go into the five o'clock somewhere.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Ye. Yes.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Of course, when the clock doesn't have numbers and it
has letters, you got to change the words a little bit.
So we did.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Oh let's see. Rebecca said that she had been waiting
on a podcast on a legend of Sleepy Hollow, but
someone pointed out that New York isn't part of New
England and she has a bad sad base.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Listen, Rebecca, go. We did an episode on the Headless
Horseman of Canton, Connecticut, which predates the Sleepy Hollow legend,
and Canton, Connecticut is only like one hundred miles north
of Terrytown, New York, which is where Sleepy Hollow is,
of course, and you could make some arguments that it's
possible that the Canton Headless Horseman story inspired Washington Irving

(56:54):
and not the other way around. It's a really cool story.
I love this stuff, right, Like love how it's so
interconnected between legend lore, paranormal, like all that stuff, Like
you can't talk about one without the other. There's a
reason that paranormal investigators go to investigate certain buildings. It's
because they heard a story. It always always starts with

(57:16):
the story. If you're really trying to be a scientist
about it, you'd be like, look a Walgreens that's been
open for six months, let's go look for ghosts. But
you don't because that's not interesting. You're like, it's six
months old, dude, and before that it was a gas station.
Who cares, right, But at the same time, if you
really want to be objective, then you should be looking

(57:36):
for ghosts in the Walgreens and in the Veliska Axe
murder house, and in the abandon asylum and in the
brand new Megamol you know, like whatever, But no, we're
drawn to a story where we go I don't know
if that's true or not, but I'm willing to go
investigate and take a closer look. And that's how powerful
that this stuff can be.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah. Oh yeah, Rebecca, Oh I'll let's see here. Oh,
her relatives are relatives buried the Headless Horseman. Oh, they
buried him.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
In New York.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
She's a descendant of the Van Tussles.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Oh all right, yeah, well tell her to stay the
hell away from me. They are they are. I'm just kidding, Rebecca.
That's awesome that your family buried the Headless Horseman before
we get to interview him and find out the whole story.
Totally cool.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
All right, let's go ahead, and before we start to
wrap things up, where can anyone find like your books,
your podcasts?

Speaker 4 (58:52):
My books are usually in the bathroom near the toilet.
Ah oh, oh, you the books I've written?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Oh oh gosh, see that makes more sense now that Yeah,
that's the silly thing.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
For a book.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
No, yeah, okay, no, no, that's okay, thanks for clarifying.
It's right near my haunted plunger. So yeah, so no,
my books are on Amazon. You can check them out
there or wherever you get your books. You know, I'm
I'm working on some new stuff all the time. So
there's that. The podcast is available wherever you listen to podcasts,

(59:29):
whether iTunes, are Google or Stitch or Spotify whatever. It's
called New England Legends, and it's free. You can subscribe.
They're short. Every Thursday at noon we put out a
new story. They're just like ten twelve minutes and it's
just like a fun story about We talk about tons
of ghosts, haunted places, monsters, cryptids, weird history, all of it,

(59:50):
you know, strange but true. And I also I speak
at conferences all over the world, really, but I love
sharing these stories. I think it's I think it's important
that we talk about this stuff. And if you have
Amazon Prime, the New England Legends television series, which I
did for PBS, is on there right now and actually
I host that, I write it, I produce it. So

(01:00:10):
that's that's for free on Amazon Prime. We've got seven
episodes up and our eighth one we hope to have
up a Christmas special, believe it or not, a very
creepy Christmas Yeah, should be up in the next couple
of weeks. So we've just filmed one of the last
segments today and I'm always working on new stuff because
I love this is my life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, excuse me, those damned cigarettes are getting to me again.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Yeah, time to quit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I'm not even smoking. I'm saying like I smoked. All right,
I'm just gonna go through real quick. Give quick shout
outs to everybody who was in chat tonight. We had Shay,
we had Darren, we had Rebecca, we had Matt, we
had Jen b in the house, we had Wolf. Thank
you everybody for all the awesome questions tonight. Thank you

(01:01:00):
for everybody who was listening but not in chat. We
want to thank Jeff for being our guest tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yes, yes, everybody is sick.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Yeah, everybody is saying that they they loved it, that
you're an awesome guest, so well, thank you. Thank you
for being on. Next week we are off obviously for Thanksgiving,
and then I'm going to be working on guests for
the new year. So just stay tuned. And I guess
I'll have to post something whenever I figure it out

(01:01:32):
because I've been slacking lately. But thank you again, Jeff,
and we will talk to you guys soon.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
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